What happened to the missing F-35?
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- Опубликовано: 28 сен 2024
- The recent crash and difficulties in locating a USMC F-35B Lightning II 5th generation stealth fighter has raised many questions. Here's what we know so far, including where the debris are located.
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Flying fairly low and it's migration season for birds, I'll you put 2 and 2 together.
She should have at least some tolerance for eating geese. The things power plant is monocrystaline for Christ’s sake.
@@mikewaterfield3599 A lot of geese are banded with steel bands and a lot of intake blade have carbon fiber leading edges, so things can go terrible wrong when you're on autopilot.
Doesn’t make sense given the additional 60 miles it traveled
@@Chuck59ish have you seen the FOD testing even civilian turbines go through? I can’t speak for the 35 but ours were always metal even in the primary compressor blades. I can’t imagine these things having any de lamination issues. They are not directly exposed to UV and the frames are too young. I’ve seen a 404 eat a frozen chicken first hand and it was still generating power. This might bring that whole single power plant question back up too.
Or was it engine over heating? There are history of that!
I remember an even stranger incident from back in 1989.
A Soviet MiG-23 had an afterburner flameout on takeoff and the plane got into what they call "the back side of the power curve". Basically, it lacked the power to overcome the drag it was creating from generating lift. The plane was slowing and sinking and there was nothing else the pilot could do, so he punched out.
Well... The plane decided it didn't feel like crashing, so it recovered, stabilized, and flew on without its pilot. That MiG-23 flew completely uncontrolled (didn't even have the autopilot engaged) for well over an hour, all the way across NATO airspace in Western Europe. And remember, this was back in the bad old "cold war" days so fun was had by all that day.
It eventually ran out of gas and crashed in rural Belgium, some 500 nm from where it took off in Poland.
I know of several other incidents like this, but it just goes to show that this sort of thing is not unheard of. It's weird, but it happens.
Just like pepperidge farm, I remember that
I should also point out that almost all of our airspace inside the continental US relies on transponders to track air traffic, not active radar returns. Even non-stealthy cessnas and airliners will disappear from ATC "radar" if the transponder fails or is disabled. There are still planes out there that have crashed in remote areas years ago and have never been found to this day.
Finally, everyone should be aware that fleet wide safety stand downs are standard practice in military aviation, especially after a rash of incidents or a single really expensive or deadly crash. I went through two of them during my service. We just stop flying for a couple days, watch safety films, do safety audits, etc. and then get back to work.
I don't know about planes that go missing, but I see replies to posts in this thread that disappear when clicked on. Kinda weird.
Look out, the video just dropped.
It’s probably migrating with the geese 😂
"Look guys we have bad news... We LOST a multi million late generation fighter jet... We don't know where it is." 😂
I lost my f16 last week, I ask the gov for help looking for it.. nothing from them yet... dam thing still missing, if anyone sees it let me know.. thanks
Ask Xinnie Da Poo.
Ask the gov why they’re selling us out, first.
Like always amazing information. Thank you!
Great, that means, TOMORROW , we can go to work! VMFT-401
That’s some real marine ish right there
It sounds like the autopilot wouldn't turn off. And the pilot was about to be out to sea or over some other large body of water and knew he would not be able to recover the aircraft. Thats the only scenario i can think of.
Why would you think it can be tracked? Any tracking signal can be hacked, which negates it being stealth. So there’s no way they would have a transponder on it, unless manually turned on.
Silly question
NTSB will NOT investigate unless it is asked to (and likely it won't be asked.) Because this is within the Dept of the Navy, the Naval Safety Center (NSC) will investigate along with the squadron it was assigned to. You will NOT hear the details about this accident because it is classified but because of something called "Executive Safety Privilege". Similar to Executive Privilege used politically by the Executive branch of government, this is used to protect those who give information to the Accident Board in order learn the important safety lessons from this accident. It also protects the deliberations from the accident board. The only thing you, the public will hear is the legal investigation that is to establish what level of liability the government has as a result of this accident in order to pay any relevant claims.
Thanks for the update….
I think that you covered all the bases mate. These things obviously happen from time to time. My thoughts are with the pilot of the jet. No-one died. That, is a huge positive.
True Stealth Experience
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Another, VERY-impresive episode Sir! This is very recent news and despite that, you've put together an informative review that covers all the highlights and a good analysis. Thank you for your efforts.
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The F-35 is a marvel with very few rivals, if any, in terms of technology.
Having said that, on the other hand, with all of the advanced technology they put into the airframe, there’s still a chance of something going wrong. And if our military loses one, or even one of our allies, like Japan, then everyone goes into a frenzy to search for it so the enemy, in this case, China and/or Russia, don’t get their hands on it.
This is why I still believe in aircraft such as 4th Gen fighters working in conjunction with 5th Gen fighters.
Just as the A-10 Thunderbolt has redundant systems, our 5th Gen, and soon, 6th Gen fighters, will need backups.
Remember a few decades ago when Air Force leaders said guns were no longer necessary in fighter aircraft, as missiles would suffice? They didn’t take into account that the missile technology was new and probably didn’t foresee some issues that would plague it.
Finally, why is the Air Force buying new F-15s? We still need 4th Gen fighters.
Woot
All flight simmers/gamers know the feeling of bailing out to early... It's never a good one because you could have carriered on with the mission or brought the craft back home... As for tracking it normally would have a datalink(Internet like system) back to command and all stealth fighters show up rather well on low band radar which covers the whole US. So the US miltary or even civilian towers should not have lost it a F-35B with nortously low range.
Thing is due to spinal compression that aviator might not fly again. A second ejection guarantees it.
Aside from a transponder (was malfunctioning )as I'm told by a 35 pilot there's no other special tracking aside from the regular stuff so assuming one or two goes wrong they blip off radar, especially when this one wasn't carrying reflectors.
Also the B combat radius is like 500 miles, that's pretty large for its size compared to other fighters w/o drop tanks
@@forzaelite1248 yeah I’m calling BS on the transponder. Even our alpha cats had two mode D’’s on board. Everything is InOp in the OFF position.
@@mikewaterfield3599 fair point, i've heard military jets have their transponders off fairly often so i guess we'll see when the incident report comes out
@@forzaelite1248 oh ill wager it was off, i just doubt it was a malfunction. Pinging an active signal mode C, D, or S definitely screams “here I am!”
Maybe a billionaire in a flying robot suit collided with the jet in an unfortunate training accident.
Well, have we checked the basement of the Chinese embassy yet?
If you watched or listened, it has been located.
@@JSFGuy yes, I did... I was being sarcastic.
@@JSFGuywe don’t know if anyone had access to the jet within that small window where its whereabouts were unknown
@@GrandHuevotes well, you might have commented before the video had a chance to play like most often do. It's been located and that's all it really matters. That's only part of the plot, I want to know why the stick actuator punched out in the first place.
@@GrandHuevotes I don't get the assumption that whoever finds a lost F-35 would hightail it to the Chinese embassy with a wheelbarrow full of secret crap. In reality, people would see the remains of a military jet, call 911, and check to see if there's anyone trapped inside.
Pics of wreckage?
Over reliance on computers. Technology is good when it works but think about the crap computer you work on at any given job and how often it screws up. Now imagine entrusting your life to one on an airplane.🤨
If the F-35 only used a HUD instead of the damned helmet display, this plane would be far more "survivable."
No engine failure. After ejecting the pilot, Swede11 (callsign of mishap F-35B) continue to fly 80miles. No major aircraft problem could be present since it flown 80miles. So, one possibility is that F-35B autonomous ejection activated after getting critical assessment of the algorithm (most probably is an wrong assessment)
It's more important part is after just ejecting the pilot. There are some informative systems that transmit F-35 coordinate of ejection point and 2 times in a second these GPS based signals keep sending to settalite F-35's coordinate before 0.5seconds the hitting surface (ground or sea surface) via satcom antenna. So why not worked these informative systems for me much bigger question mark.
Situational awereness and sensor fusion always called on board F-35. This time it's not.
You say the "Debris field" has been found. Only thing is...there's no DEBRIS in it!
This plane took off 12 miles from my house!
Could have sucked a bird in. Happens all the time.
Someone is losing rank for this. Its not that a plane went down, it’s that the corps “lost” her and the public found out. EMBARRASSING!
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Being a marine plane and marine being so woke now - maybe the pilot was polishing he/she's nails for landing or applying a new powder on he/she's nose...
This is a cheap shot and you get no points. Yeah, woke military is stupid and LGB, but that has nothing to do with this incident. You undermined any respect I might have had for you for you by going there.
Oh hell, it's another AI channel. B/W circular logo. Nonsence channel name. Robot voice, and stock footage with no information.
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@@GoSlash27 thanks boss!
That female representative knows nothing about military aircraft she’s not even an engineer. Out of all people to make a comment, she had to go and open her big mouth.
An F-111, in England back in the 1970's, had a situation where it too continued to fly after the air crew had lost both hydraulic systems, forcing them to eject. It continued to fly for a while until it crashed nose first into a school yard, similar to a lawn dart sticking out of the mud.
The local airport near my old house had a museum with a restored P -38. They had done a great job and I was very impressed with the aircraft. Never seen one fly but would love to some day. 🇦🇺✌️
The aircraft became sentient and ejected the pilot. It ran out of and crashed, rather than go back to the marines
Sentient and slantyeyed with help from ole shytbag “Uncle Sam”.
YES, the Stealth IS that good! But I'd really like to hear why the pilot felt the need to punch out. The only reasons I can think of is either Engine failure, or full flight control failure... Anything beyond that will be REAL hard for the pilot to justify...
His name was Wang Go Home, that’s why.
All they said was that the ejection was due to an 'incident'. It's also possible that the pilot ejected accidentally. THAT would be really embarrassing! Another possibility would be unrecoverable flat spin. We had an F-106 that did that back in the early '70s. Pilot ejected at 8,000' and the plane had the nerve to not only recover on its own and fly away unpiloted, but it also glided to a nice gentle belly landing. 😂
@@GoSlash27 considering the plane kept flying until they couldn't find it, it seems it is not a flat spin. It would be hilarious (in a stupid way) that all that happened was the auto-pilot was overwriting the pilot's input.
@@seifer918 But since there's a documented case of it happening before, the flat spin cannot be discounted. It was the act of the pilot ejecting that *caused* the plane to recover. We'll know what happened when the board of inquiry report comes out.
Oh god its the titaic sub all over again
The -35B has not had the best track record… My money is on either a bird strike or software glitch/hack.
Cyber is our greatest weakness at the moment. Just food for thought.
Did you see the “debris fields” for this or 9-11 by any chance? Lean heavily on 2. China via Cuba. And don’t imagine they weren’t helped by our sh!tbag traitors in dC.
Cheers
It's got the safest record of all our fighters per 100,000 hrs, it's just recency bias and the media being salacious as always. As someone with am aviation background, the mishap and standard procedure (aside from the Twitter post maybe lol) are being blown a little out of proportion; a lot of these reporters aren't good at giving context
Also, bird strike is something that the engine could probably eat a few of before quitting and the canopy is rated for a strike at 450 kts, so unlikely. Hacking a jet is damn near impossible from the outside, the only way to make inputs to the controls computer is with the stick onboard. It's not a drone so you can't quite Hollywood one down
Pilot: Alexa, eject...
Another possibility is that’s he was in full stealth mode with transponder’s off in an excercise.
He was full stealth on his way back and the XPDR malfunctioned, not sure on the ejection cause yet
Almost certainly. All military aircraft can go full EMCON and usually do during an exercise; which the crew refer to as "strangling the parrot". There's no reason to think that the transponder would've been working, given the situation. Domestic ATC can't track non-stealthy aircraft without a transponder. An F-35? Fuggedaboudit!
Ok ok ok. I admit. It was me. We got into a fight. He punched me and I swatted him back. F-22's are better than F-35's. He couldn't admit it, so we fought. Then he skulled away in shame.
F-22's RULE!!!!
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Ket's hope this wasn't a 'ditch-for-profit', or 'trade-craft-turnover' to a foreign government, Western-hemisphere-enemy .. ?
Remember when a pilot 'gifted' the US with a MiG, one would hope it's nothing like that .. !
They "SAY" they found debris. I have not seen a single piece of debris or wreckage in all of the photos.
It’s always the F35 B for some reason…
Hahahaha AI run the f35 so no one can not find it
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Why did the pilot ditch the jet, obviously it still flying for 60- 80 miles more before it crashes. The standard procedure for air force is you only bailout when in your best knowledge that this jet is impossible to control and or your life is in great danger? In this case the jet continues to fly kinda straight for 15' or so. The question was never come up thru the media news. Maybe it's still under investigation, OK I give them that. The pilot better have a good answer for this. Thanks for his service for the country. 👈💨💨💨✈
Pilots are trained to eject in the simulators in various scenarios to the point that it becomes pure muscle memory. They don't work through a checklist, weigh their options, and make a conscious decision, they just punch out. Either this pilot was in a situation where he had been trained to eject, or he ejected accidentally (a weird and embarrassing possibility, but that happens too).
We won't know why the pilot ejected the aircraft until the review board report is released, and that's something that might never happen.
How many mishaps now for F-35 now? How many for F-22?
4 for the F-35 that I'm aware of.
-HMD malfunction on landing. USAF F-35A. Corrective action: issue better helmets
-Fodded engine on takeoff due to unaccounted for inlet covers RN F-35B. Corrective action: Institute an audit for protective covers.
-Ramp strike due to hot - dogging pilot USN F-35C. Corrective action: Fired the hot-dog pilot.
-Runaway departed aircraft due to ??? USMC F-35B. Corrective action: ???
None of these incidents are attributable to the aircraft itself. Military aviation is a dangerous business.
How much you want to wager that the pilot popped the ejection handle while trying to use a piddle pack?
Not impossible. It's happened before.
@@GoSlash27 I know. Hazard Lee had mentioned it a time or two in his vids.
@@GrizzAxxemann I don't know who Hazard Lee is, but I've been in this industry my entire adult life. I hear the stories.
@@GoSlash27 I don't doubt it. But Hazard is a former F-16 and F-35 pilot. Look him up.
The 1st thing I thought of was my time stationed at Camp Lejeune. I had no business around the flight line. Yet on multiple occasions I set in the cockpit of a cobra or a F18. I took a date to get frisky in on the flight deck of a C130.
Can you imagine a young fresh Marine that just decides to go joy riding in a F35.
Believe me after 22 years I have seen Marines do some crazy things.
Very uninformative.
Glad you think so!
No value added to the incident. Just a report