Sorry the resolution isn't better, I couldn't find a way to make the tierlist bigger on Tiermaker so it's basically the equivalent of 480p or so. Let me know if you want to see more stuff like this in the future.
Played against a guy with over 200 games as Abrams, his next most played hero was Vindicta at 10. It felt like I was new at the game again getting pummeled by this man.
I have basically only played matches on Wraith, but I hopped on a stack with some friends and one of em was also a Wraith main, so I'll probably have to start maining someone that feels super fun yet easy to use like Lady Geist.
Can't wait for this to be made obsolete by the next balance patch. I hate tierlists but I like Mast videos. Also thanks for letting me know LoreRim is a thing so that I may, too, have a new Skyrim problem
I play haze a lot. And with the recent ultiskill nerf, I like people categorizing her at tier C. And it's true, it is really easy to counter haze. IMO Haze is no longer a lane assasin if enemy chooses to counter her with metalskin/returnfire. For me, haze is effective for a clean-up. In 20mins, the game will mostly compose of team clashes. That's the time I choose to go with my team(if I have the items needed) but I am beyond enemy lines. I always strike from the back in the middle of clashes... Just like how you would play rikimaru in Dota2. They're the same, softsquishy, has disable, is invi, and rely heavily on physical dmg. Just sharing 😅
Pretty accurate IMO, just few changes -Viscous is S tier (pick or ban in EVERY tournament since last patch) -Warden A tier -Bebop is C -MC ginnis is D and pocket not sure High A or low S ....
Best teirlist I've seen, my only gripe is I think mo is best frontliner and deserves higher spot. His time to die is the highest in the game and if you have a competent carry he can peel harder than any other. According to the tracker people don't build vit on average which is insane and also why I think he may feel less impactful than he really is. It's probably a symptom of solo q cause he does need decent team to fill the frontline role otherwise he's a meh bruiser
i tried to main dynamo for my first dive into ranked, but playing support apparently requires a good team. so now i just play haze and get the kills, make the rotations, secure objectives. so far so good, im sure eventually ill hit a wall where someone else will have to carry me. ill switch to support then.
you summed it up at 54:00 between S and D tier is less gap in value than in the likes of LoL, Dota, Smite etc every character is rather well made with some tweaks that could be done (Bebop seems to have a bit of an identity crisis - seems to be advertising the "im a hook hero" but is actually "i have legalized nuclear weapons... and i have a hook") and generally speaking there does seem to be a general playstyle for each player, I do hope they add some sort of unalive based hero - super squishy hero that goes in basically brawl mode and deal massive amounts of damage and die allowing for team cleanup, like imagine an early game Haze but uses Abrams playstyle
I am quite a low MMR and can safely say Yamato is usually garbage at my level. For reference I have been playing Haze. Mostly because I am also garbage and can't aim, so her ult is the main way I can do any actual damage. However the point remains, I tend to get solo lane and am very happy to see a Yamato on the other side opposing me.
@@gharn2594 I am also a tank player who can't aim, and I have really been enjoying Mo and Krill and Dynamo, but I am also typically queing with my brother who plays dps, so I tend to have semi-coordinated follow up.
I think the only ranking I hard disagree with is viscous. Though I agree that he isn't the typical carry unit that can just win on his own. A decent viscous makes the whole team better while also dealing a good amount of damage. I think he belongs in A tier for sure.
McWinnis in C tier is uncalled for, her as a debuxmaxxing build, teambooster is crazy Having your team stand in a heal while you proc the enemy team with inhibitor, mystic slow, toxic bullets, healbane, etc is actually crazy and can tip the whole power of a fight
Mo & Krill are a solid A tier imo. Tanky while having a great mobility/peel ability and being able to pump about a surprising amount of damage by the mid-game. If you have at least a semi-coordinated team, announcing ur gonna ult someone and requesting help usually secures a kill. Feels so good to catch fools out of position and go: nope, good-bye bozo! Also, superior duration on his ult is probably the smarter play but putting it on his burrow is sooooo much fun. Just spin to win baby!
Bebop is the same role as Paradox: he wants to get the pick. Where they differ for me is the way they utilize abilities to get the pick. Bebop combos, meaning most if not all abilities are geared towards trying to execute the target efficiently. Paradox on the other hand CAN combo. Her combo is pretty devastating but she doesn’t NEED to kitdump either. Her carbine secures a swap but you don’t NEED to throw down screen to get the kill. Often, your new position cuts off retreat, which is enough to secure the kill itself. Since we’re talking about the ults and pulls, let’s now look at bebop’s. Bebop punishes people who group with Hyper Beam and tries to punish people who stagger separately with hooks. But all Bebop’s abilities have some sort of stationary committal to them, and then half his kit is melee-centric. Paradox can sorta work with whatever because her animations aren’t quite so taxing on her movement, meaning she can keep dodging at higher elos while still hitting you with good bursts of damage from carbine.
Moe & Krill main here, I can agree with the hesitant A-B placement. Scorn gets really inconsistent when atleast 1 of 6 enemies can run more anti-heal than you can run heal-boosters. Lately I've been running Debuff remover to get rid of some of Moes flaws, but so far he's still my favorite hero lmao
As a fellow Mohammed and Kareem spammer, I wanted to inquire on whether you purchase Surge of power? I stopped purchasing instead saving money and getting fleetfloot and maybe depending on the game Phantom Strike.
@abdulahiabdala Yeah I'm a big fan of Surge of Power. I mainly get it when I replace Enduring Speed for more tanky vitality items. I plug it on Burrow, and use Fleetfoot whenever I can so the speed loss doesn't hurt as much
as a bebop mainer, it's funny even, through the hand due to the opercote (+65% bullet damage on 12s) blows away anyone 1 by 1 in 1 second, if there are a lot of people on earth, then through the ult (take the carpet and unstoppability) and anyone in the radius is a corpse. Seven is generally food
As someone who has 120+ matches in Dynamo, I think one simple and fair change would be making it so his A1 isn't charges anymore. For one, he can spam that so so much, the debuffs & Dyna gun/punch dmg is massive alongside the wild damage you can get off spirit and burst. It also does not help that with a Refresher you get all the charges back. Sure, high cooldowns and all, but I sincerely do not think he thinks he needs charges. What this means is echoshard might come into play instead of buying charges but less likely. Additional this means one of the tiers could have cooldown reduction, or reduction coming from scaling or something akin to Wraith's way of getting charges albeit now just boosting his CD(s?) (That's just some yapping from me, I don't care to argue with YT replies)
what do you suggest would take that place? as in charge abilities. would you rather deal with multiple heals, teleports? feel like he’d be super hard to kill. i think you’re right about how spammable they are, maybe keep them w charges but mess w cooldowns
I want to see MORE Mast videos. Win or Lose I enjoy the commentary. Something like an hour or two of games, ranked gameplay. I checked your twitch recently and haven't seen you stream
I really enjoy these types of videos! Please make more honestly. But I enjoy the content regardless, thankful my friend told me about you back when you played Smite!
Wanted to say I appreciate the remarks during the tier list such as “this is where generally the community believes he/she is”, “this is where he/she was pre-nerf/buff, and after”. Good to see the comments about how the community feels overall instead of just a solo opinion, which you also work in as well. Great video Mast.
Thanks for the tier list ! It's a good one I think, it would be nice if you specified the exact patch because I was wondering if you included the 20% trooper damage and yamato nerf in it
If we do a Deadlock A-Z I think it would be funny if the last three are just Viscous, Shiv, and Mirage inexplicably besides the people that have seen this one video.
Some guides from the perspective of a fellow ex-smite player would be nice. Alot of content creators for deadlock are shooter or dota players and some context that I (and I'm sure alot of your viewers) can easily understand would be amazing.
I think shiv daggers and rage need a buff and nerf the dash, he relies on that dash in like every single build since his other abilities are just for poking enemies or clean up.
Have you fully transitioned to Deadlock? Are still doing Smite content? I love deadlock and have personally transitioned fully to deadlock and it seams you have done so too
Love your content and super happy to get your take on the power level of the different kits! As an Ivy main, I hard agree that she is very powerful in the right hands - particularly her flexibility. Would love to see your take on a melee hybrid Ivy like this: ruclips.net/video/sXbP2A4xSlc/видео.htmlsi=nJbbBl8kyhtyVDL1
You put bebop s tier before because he is good on lower ranks and bad at higher ranks btw those lower skill people complain a lot in reddit/discord. Thats why he got nerfed to ground when he wasnt even op. As an ascendant 6 bebop main. I think bebop needs a buff/rework. Like you said gun bebop is good but most other heroes can do it better and use their abilities to help that gun build. But gunbop is pull bomb(no reason) uppercut. Which doesnt help againts most heroes(abrams,shiv,geist). People on lower bracket of skill shouldnt steer the whole meta. Every tier list puts bebop on bottom(Even averagejonas) but people still dont think bebop needs help. Its weird.
I put a thread when bebop had 60stack cap which is like 300 damage and said it shouldnt be limited to so little damage. Reddit users downvoted it and said it should be. Lower rank people are so loud because there are more of them but just because they hate getting killed by a skilled bebop doesnt mean you should hate the hero. Comments and critism about bebop take my attention more so thats these are my opinion and what I saw about bebop from other people
Improved burst doenst work on 1 I tested it only mystic since they changed how Improved burst works on it now you actually do less damage if you get improved burst and the other part that suck you have to spend a lot of souls to make the damage increase on the 1 on Warden so never improved burst only mystic Improved burst only works on Wardens 3 but thats unreliable so get anything else
shadow weave wraith with slowing hex is the single most oppressive thing in the game, and i doubt it will stay in the game as is. Shadow Weave's expose radius is around the range of Telekinesis. Slowing Hex's range is just longer than Shadow Weave's radius. I don't believe there's a character that can survive Shadow Hex Wraith's full combo. Don't forget her 40m teleport that gives scaling bullet shield. Or her minute long AOE 2 second stun cd.
well shiv is maybe the most snowbally hero in the game so it tends to stand out when he's dominating. It happened a lot a few patches ago but I don't think he tends to be very scary anymore
@ Abrams is literally one of the best characters in the game, he’s easily two tiers higher than Talon. You can see this reflected in pick and winrates throughout the ranks.
Sorry the resolution isn't better, I couldn't find a way to make the tierlist bigger on Tiermaker so it's basically the equivalent of 480p or so. Let me know if you want to see more stuff like this in the future.
ur good!
Oh yeah, new tierlists whenever a patch comes through and changes a ton would be awesome to see!
Ctrl+Scroll, or use inspect element to make the elements larger.
This is so cool. Great content
Played against a guy with over 200 games as Abrams, his next most played hero was Vindicta at 10. It felt like I was new at the game again getting pummeled by this man.
Essentially me but with Lash. Got 334 games on Lash, next most being Paradox with 29 😂😂😂
I have basically only played matches on Wraith, but I hopped on a stack with some friends and one of em was also a Wraith main, so I'll probably have to start maining someone that feels super fun yet easy to use like Lady Geist.
Basically Abrams enjoyer
Alternative video title: Mast lists all his new toys on The List.
Haze mains are built for her, they also have a "fixation" ability
ye they are fucking awful at the game
Can't wait for this to be made obsolete by the next balance patch. I hate tierlists but I like Mast videos.
Also thanks for letting me know LoreRim is a thing so that I may, too, have a new Skyrim problem
I play haze a lot. And with the recent ultiskill nerf, I like people categorizing her at tier C. And it's true, it is really easy to counter haze. IMO Haze is no longer a lane assasin if enemy chooses to counter her with metalskin/returnfire. For me, haze is effective for a clean-up. In 20mins, the game will mostly compose of team clashes. That's the time I choose to go with my team(if I have the items needed) but I am beyond enemy lines. I always strike from the back in the middle of clashes... Just like how you would play rikimaru in Dota2.
They're the same, softsquishy, has disable, is invi, and rely heavily on physical dmg.
Just sharing 😅
Pretty accurate IMO, just few changes
-Viscous is S tier (pick or ban in EVERY tournament since last patch)
-Warden A tier
-Bebop is C
-MC ginnis is D
and pocket not sure High A or low S ....
Best teirlist I've seen, my only gripe is I think mo is best frontliner and deserves higher spot. His time to die is the highest in the game and if you have a competent carry he can peel harder than any other. According to the tracker people don't build vit on average which is insane and also why I think he may feel less impactful than he really is. It's probably a symptom of solo q cause he does need decent team to fill the frontline role otherwise he's a meh bruiser
i tried to main dynamo for my first dive into ranked, but playing support apparently requires a good team. so now i just play haze and get the kills, make the rotations, secure objectives. so far so good, im sure eventually ill hit a wall where someone else will have to carry me. ill switch to support then.
you summed it up at 54:00 between S and D tier is less gap in value than in the likes of LoL, Dota, Smite etc every character is rather well made with some tweaks that could be done (Bebop seems to have a bit of an identity crisis - seems to be advertising the "im a hook hero" but is actually "i have legalized nuclear weapons... and i have a hook") and generally speaking there does seem to be a general playstyle for each player, I do hope they add some sort of unalive based hero - super squishy hero that goes in basically brawl mode and deal massive amounts of damage and die allowing for team cleanup, like imagine an early game Haze but uses Abrams playstyle
I am quite a low MMR and can safely say Yamato is usually garbage at my level. For reference I have been playing Haze. Mostly because I am also garbage and can't aim, so her ult is the main way I can do any actual damage. However the point remains, I tend to get solo lane and am very happy to see a Yamato on the other side opposing me.
Haze is a left clicker so you don’t want to only use your ult. If you suck at aiming play someone who is more ability-centric, like kelvin or seven.
@@legalizetren Yeah, I've been looking for a new character to play just not sure who. I usually play tanks in mobas, so maybe Mo and Krill, not sure.
That would be a good pick @@gharn2594
@@gharn2594 just play Abrams and spam punches man, Mo & Krill and Dynamo are also good second and third picks aswell.
@@gharn2594 I am also a tank player who can't aim, and I have really been enjoying Mo and Krill and Dynamo, but I am also typically queing with my brother who plays dps, so I tend to have semi-coordinated follow up.
Your memory doesn't deceive you. Bebop used to be almost broken. His pre-nerf ult was ridiculous.
I think the only ranking I hard disagree with is viscous.
Though I agree that he isn't the typical carry unit that can just win on his own. A decent viscous makes the whole team better while also dealing a good amount of damage. I think he belongs in A tier for sure.
McWinnis in C tier is uncalled for, her as a debuxmaxxing build, teambooster is crazy
Having your team stand in a heal while you proc the enemy team with inhibitor, mystic slow, toxic bullets, healbane, etc is actually crazy and can tip the whole power of a fight
Mo & Krill are a solid A tier imo. Tanky while having a great mobility/peel ability and being able to pump about a surprising amount of damage by the mid-game. If you have at least a semi-coordinated team, announcing ur gonna ult someone and requesting help usually secures a kill. Feels so good to catch fools out of position and go: nope, good-bye bozo! Also, superior duration on his ult is probably the smarter play but putting it on his burrow is sooooo much fun. Just spin to win baby!
Tough to rank these boys. Every hero is so dependent on whether or not the enemy builds the fuck-you unethical items (KD, Silence, suppression, etc).
The more Deadlock content i watch, I feel like Hi Rez is trying to reinvent the wheel as a triangle with Smite 2.
Bebop is the same role as Paradox: he wants to get the pick. Where they differ for me is the way they utilize abilities to get the pick. Bebop combos, meaning most if not all abilities are geared towards trying to execute the target efficiently. Paradox on the other hand CAN combo. Her combo is pretty devastating but she doesn’t NEED to kitdump either. Her carbine secures a swap but you don’t NEED to throw down screen to get the kill. Often, your new position cuts off retreat, which is enough to secure the kill itself.
Since we’re talking about the ults and pulls, let’s now look at bebop’s. Bebop punishes people who group with Hyper Beam and tries to punish people who stagger separately with hooks. But all Bebop’s abilities have some sort of stationary committal to them, and then half his kit is melee-centric. Paradox can sorta work with whatever because her animations aren’t quite so taxing on her movement, meaning she can keep dodging at higher elos while still hitting you with good bursts of damage from carbine.
Moe & Krill main here, I can agree with the hesitant A-B placement. Scorn gets really inconsistent when atleast 1 of 6 enemies can run more anti-heal than you can run heal-boosters. Lately I've been running Debuff remover to get rid of some of Moes flaws, but so far he's still my favorite hero lmao
Also when theres a Pocket he will start glazing at every moment, debuff remover becomes a staple.
As a fellow Mohammed and Kareem spammer, I wanted to inquire on whether you purchase Surge of power? I stopped purchasing instead saving money and getting fleetfloot and maybe depending on the game Phantom Strike.
@abdulahiabdala Yeah I'm a big fan of Surge of Power. I mainly get it when I replace Enduring Speed for more tanky vitality items. I plug it on Burrow, and use Fleetfoot whenever I can so the speed loss doesn't hurt as much
@@abdulahiabdalasorry to disappoint but his name is actually Maurice
Ivy is so fun to main because of her build diversity I think she kinda has a skill ceiling but she's so fun once you figure the game out
as a bebop mainer, it's funny even, through the hand due to the opercote (+65% bullet damage on 12s) blows away anyone 1 by 1 in 1 second, if there are a lot of people on earth, then through the ult (take the carpet and unstoppability) and anyone in the radius is a corpse. Seven is generally food
Ivy is legit so fun
Bebop could be an insanely fun front line melee character but the way his kit works made him a press 3 2 1 and hope for the best cringe bot
I don’t mind the tier list videos! They usually do well statistically and they’re fun to watch!
I don't have any problem with videos like this. Enjoy hearing your thoughts on the game.
Hope to see more Dinamo and Kelvin games.
As someone who has 120+ matches in Dynamo, I think one simple and fair change would be making it so his A1 isn't charges anymore.
For one, he can spam that so so much, the debuffs & Dyna gun/punch dmg is massive alongside the wild damage you can get off spirit and burst. It also does not help that with a Refresher you get all the charges back. Sure, high cooldowns and all, but I sincerely do not think he thinks he needs charges. What this means is echoshard might come into play instead of buying charges but less likely. Additional this means one of the tiers could have cooldown reduction, or reduction coming from scaling or something akin to Wraith's way of getting charges albeit now just boosting his CD(s?)
(That's just some yapping from me, I don't care to argue with YT replies)
psssshhhh, let me enjoy spamming Dynamo with what he is rn
agreed, the 1 on it's own doesn't feel op but it's crazy how hard you can spam it with rapid recharge
what do you suggest would take that place? as in charge abilities. would you rather deal
with multiple heals, teleports? feel like he’d be super hard to kill. i think you’re right about how spammable they are, maybe keep them w charges but mess w cooldowns
@aijeco no charge ability for him, just a lower base CD and a CD reduce on tier1 or 2 (or spirit scaling)
He doesn't have to have a charge.
I want to see MORE Mast videos. Win or Lose I enjoy the commentary. Something like an hour or two of games, ranked gameplay. I checked your twitch recently and haven't seen you stream
I really enjoy these types of videos! Please make more honestly. But I enjoy the content regardless, thankful my friend told me about you back when you played Smite!
Wanted to say I appreciate the remarks during the tier list such as “this is where generally the community believes he/she is”, “this is where he/she was pre-nerf/buff, and after”. Good to see the comments about how the community feels overall instead of just a solo opinion, which you also work in as well. Great video Mast.
Hell yeah! Love the new content
I hope you update this every couple of updates!
Thanks for the tier list ! It's a good one I think, it would be nice if you specified the exact patch because I was wondering if you included the 20% trooper damage and yamato nerf in it
If we do a Deadlock A-Z I think it would be funny if the last three are just Viscous, Shiv, and Mirage inexplicably besides the people that have seen this one video.
Some guides from the perspective of a fellow ex-smite player would be nice. Alot of content creators for deadlock are shooter or dota players and some context that I (and I'm sure alot of your viewers) can easily understand would be amazing.
Infernus is horrible this patch 😢
I think shiv daggers and rage need a buff and nerf the dash, he relies on that dash in like every single build since his other abilities are just for poking enemies or clean up.
Every time i go against a good abrams main it feels like im red rush fighting omni man
This list is something
Top 5 vids I’ve ever seen
mast my beloved!!!
Vindicta is indeed still a pain in the arse
Hour long Mast video!?! Is it Christmas already?
SO HELPFUL
You mentioned Lorerim and I completely forgot you had a second channel that talked about it
I think people at competitive level are building warden gun now ? I heard Deathy mention that but I didn't look into detail
Have you fully transitioned to Deadlock? Are still doing Smite content? I love deadlock and have personally transitioned fully to deadlock and it seams you have done so too
I kept trying to build spirit Kelvin but honestly it really is sorta griefing. You really need to play it as support
Anyone know if he still plays smite ? I haven’t really watch consistently so I might of missed any convo he had on the matter
Love your content and super happy to get your take on the power level of the different kits!
As an Ivy main, I hard agree that she is very powerful in the right hands - particularly her flexibility.
Would love to see your take on a melee hybrid Ivy like this: ruclips.net/video/sXbP2A4xSlc/видео.htmlsi=nJbbBl8kyhtyVDL1
You put bebop s tier before because he is good on lower ranks and bad at higher ranks btw those lower skill people complain a lot in reddit/discord. Thats why he got nerfed to ground when he wasnt even op. As an ascendant 6 bebop main. I think bebop needs a buff/rework. Like you said gun bebop is good but most other heroes can do it better and use their abilities to help that gun build. But gunbop is pull bomb(no reason) uppercut. Which doesnt help againts most heroes(abrams,shiv,geist). People on lower bracket of skill shouldnt steer the whole meta. Every tier list puts bebop on bottom(Even averagejonas) but people still dont think bebop needs help. Its weird.
I put a thread when bebop had 60stack cap which is like 300 damage and said it shouldnt be limited to so little damage. Reddit users downvoted it and said it should be. Lower rank people are so loud because there are more of them but just because they hate getting killed by a skilled bebop doesnt mean you should hate the hero. Comments and critism about bebop take my attention more so thats these are my opinion and what I saw about bebop from other people
i love your builds😼🫵
Honestly I'm glad people keep putting Haze on C tier since I think it's very broken and I just love that character
The did nerf yam 1 more time too lol
bruh Shiv is way better cause, especially melee
Improved burst doenst work on 1 I tested it only mystic since they changed how Improved burst works on it now you actually do less damage if you get improved burst and the other part that suck you have to spend a lot of souls to make the damage increase on the 1 on Warden so never improved burst only mystic Improved burst only works on Wardens 3 but thats unreliable so get anything else
i just misspoke, I normally build mystic burst + quicksilver for the extra 100 damage on it
Lady Geist feels so bad right now
Why? I love her, super strong and super easy to play. Ult range feels bad though, kinda need items to cover distance in movement heavy matchups.
abrams is easily A
Brother game changes every week what even is the fucking point
Content for mast and I like it as a general update about the game considering I don't read most patch notes
face cam would go well here, there is nothing to look at XD
Can you do a Sex tier list video?
shadow weave wraith with slowing hex is the single most oppressive thing in the game, and i doubt it will stay in the game as is. Shadow Weave's expose radius is around the range of Telekinesis. Slowing Hex's range is just longer than Shadow Weave's radius. I don't believe there's a character that can survive Shadow Hex Wraith's full combo. Don't forget her 40m teleport that gives scaling bullet shield. Or her minute long AOE 2 second stun cd.
I need to stop forgetting that shadow weave and slowing hex exist, haven't bought weave even once so far I think.
Day 8 try a smite tierlist
I have a video on my channel that proves ivy is a tier
you are makeing a tier list huh? if you mast :D
theres no way bebop is d tier and getting over 20 kills each game i play with him because of his bomb... you're crazy for that one
bebop is definitely bad. you might just be playing in lower mmr lobbies.
Bebop is ass lol
Bepop is basically only good in low MMR games or a team with rly good synergy
putting shiv in C is crazy. even around the time of this latest patch i get shivs who dominate in lobbies + comp games.
well shiv is maybe the most snowbally hero in the game so it tends to stand out when he's dominating. It happened a lot a few patches ago but I don't think he tends to be very scary anymore
Stopped watching as soon as you had Abrams and Grey Talon in the same tier 😂
Which one do you think is stronger ? A ranking is going to be inherently subjective at the end of the day
@ Abrams is literally one of the best characters in the game, he’s easily two tiers higher than Talon. You can see this reflected in pick and winrates throughout the ranks.
make a sex tierlist please
First?
Somehow you warped time and commented one minute before the video was released
@ an insignificant task to comment first on a Mast video