Ben Cobley on Identity Politics, Positive Discrimination and the Left
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- Опубликовано: 21 окт 2024
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Ben is the author of The Tribe: the liberal-left and the system of diversity. The book explores the power of identity politics in contemporary Britain: www.amazon.co....
0:31 Identity Politics and Positive Discrimination
29:37 The Left, Class and Ageism
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Criticism of Israel is NOT antisemitism.
The story and history of Israel and Palestine is very complex and won't be sorted by people who don't understand the issues of both peoples.
Newspeak (I.e. opposite use of the word liberal again).
If young children are looking at different races on TV and think, they don't look like me therefore I can't relate to them and I don't see that as a potential career path then we should help those kids. They are engaging in racial thinking. The solution isn't too encourage that type of thinking, it's to show them that we shouldn't distance ourselves from others based on race, and those who do are racist
Certain confusing matters can become a lot clearer if you disabuse yourself of the notion that racism against white people and sexism against men does not and can not exist. It isn't a mistake or misunderstanding any more than other forms of bigotry. The worrying difference is that this nu-bigotry is mostly a modern phenomenon and it is growing. Even worse, there is a narrative that sexism against women and racism against non whites is on the rise when if anything the complete opposite is true. There is as yet no reason to believe the trajectory will change.
But thank you for being part of trying to change this trajectory!
You are the problem.
I can only speak from my own experience, racism has always been present amongst most men to varying degrees in south Yorkshire where I live . It had decreased in the last thirty years since I moved here. But there has been a definite increase in the last few years.
"when I was in labour" does sound painful
'Tribe' is a really special book, it pin points exactly what is going on. Very insightful and erudite.
I'm liking you guys more and more!
34:00 Free movement of labour does for wages what the free movement of goods does for the price of goods. Except an excess of goods is easier to contend with than an excess of labour - and there's no legally determined limit to how little something can be sold for, but there is a legally determined limit to how little someone can be paid. With that lower limit set, the market response to a surplus in the labour market is to put pressure on the worker to work harder and seek loopholes that limit their exposure to the minimum wage so that workers only work when it is most productive (eg. zero hour contracts). Or find some means to make it so that the workers are effectively "self-empoyled." These kind of tricks.
I just found your channel, nice to see some intelligent conversation about politics. Keep up the good work!
I quite rate this bloke. Very reasonable.
Awwwwwwyeah, Dank is on next week! Great show guys, I really love it.
The current SDP seems to have all the right qualities for anyone who empathises with the sentiments expressed here.
Just came across this channel. Great content. Subscribed.
His point about role models falls down at the first step. If whinem can only succeed if they see role models; then how did men invent anything? Who were the role models for the white, middle class men who developed the BBC? Who was the role model for the Montgolfier brothers when they invented the balloon? Who was Magellan's role model when he set off to sail around the world? Who was Gargarin's role model when he went into space?
Sheep require role models.
Moira Stewart, Trevor McDonald ........ succeeded on their own merits..
Read Jason Riley or Shelby Steel if you want to see the dangers of "positive discrimination" (no such thing, all discrimination is negative).
We do not call them Identitarians, we call them segragationists.
This is a really crucial point about indentity politics: You get to be right all the time - even if you are as dumb as a doornail! So tempting if you are not too bright!!! 29:12 ish...
I love when pressed on who is an anti-Semite no names were forthcoming. so often people of Ben's ilk are super fuzzy when it comes to the boring facts to verify their claims. The other notable thing is their lack of historical data by carefully choosing very recent events rather than studying the journey. It is interesting that the climate deniers who are often in the same fan base as Ben's followers choose the exact opposite tact when disparaging an adverse effect man has on climate.
It is interesting you choose the words, "climate change deniers"...
I guess I am just one of those interesting fellas!
the bit that Konstantin says at 25:56 is gold
Her he goes unchallenged in calling Jeremy Corbyn an anti-semite. I have never heard anyone tell me of a single statement or action by Corbyn against Jews. He is anti-racist to the core, whatever you think of his politics or style. Anti-Israel is not anti-Jews. Israel is an ethno-state.
Politics is about getting your thing out?
Another good interview chaps.
Read "The Tribe" today!
This guy should write a book - if he hasn't already...
www.amazon.co.uk/Tribe-Liberal-Left-System-Diversity-Societas/dp/1845409752
social justice isn't right --> justice is a morally pure phenomenon so any prefix to justice is morally impure.
the left manipulates the language (as described by George Orwell's famous novel)
Lolz @ blueprint to be a Guardian journalist! Spot on. Just found your channel this weekend. Great content with fantastic speakers - keep up the good work (but maybe a bit less of the sweary words :)
Mark Fenlon thanks Mark, we have a new episode out this evening, good to have you on board
The interviewee mic 🎤 isn't working well because his voice is not sounding out loud enough. It's really difficult to understand what he was saying.
I’m with MLK: judge people on the content of their character and not the color of their skin. Let’s drop identity politics and recognize there is no us and them, just US.
Maybe someone went to the meeting just to see what it was about - so guilt by association means nothing... maybe they went to gain information to order their oppositional thoughts... IN any case - who are you to tell me what meeting I can and cannot go to? And what gives you the right to know my mind as to why I am at any meeting.
When things get bad enough they will erase you just to be on the safe side. Anyway, curiosity is not a tyrants' favourite thing.
Did this guy write a book? he never said
www.amazon.co.uk/Tribe-Liberal-Left-System-Diversity-Societas/dp/1845409752
So how come Labour have never had a female leader?
How is it that the Torys are more diverse than Labour?
Yet another independently minded thinker who is pro Brexit. Strange huh?
I'm pretty sure that Jewish people have been playing the identity card since Egypt. It's what makes that Chapelle's joke about him playing the victim game against a Jew so funny.
Really enjoyed the discussion, but unfortunately had to give up after 23 minutes due to mic/sound issues - really frustrating. Sort your sound recording out !!
We had a one-off issue as this was the first episode in the new studio. As you've seen in previous weeks, the sound quality is 10/10.
Let's just be honest about it 15:15. You're not black and you're not white. You're a funny tinge.
DANKULA NEXT WEEK!
Corbyn wasn't calling Hamas his friends or embracing their doctrine. He was using 'inclusive bridge building language' to help build the right context work on issues. It might be a bit of a hippy way of peace building, but it was in the context of a professional strategy, not a reflection of his personal feelings.
WardrobeReview: Return of green Fred, ideal for dark backgrounds, not like that purple one. F-Fred 10/36, K-Jack 36/37.
I like this show, the hosts are great and the debate is fantastic. But I wish they would change the background decor. The darkness has the opposite effect of being neutral, it is actually very distracting. Try something like on the Joe Rogan Podcast, some kind of brickwork or interesting texture.
I think the Left has gone way to far. People should join the Labour Party we now occupy the right of centre ground. We are attracting ex BNP voters with our new policies on the Jews.
Well well well chaps. Do you watch the news or are you too busy making it. Re. the seven labour members. Great job yet again.
I don’t think everyone who voted brexit was a racist, but I do think the debate, especially on social media was racist.
Half Latin American now? 🤓
Like your show. Can't stand Dave Rubin.
Love the show and love Dave Rubin.
From my perspective Ben looks a bit like a poor man's Ed Snowden. Get triggered.
Of all the hundreds of political/social commentary videos I've watched over the years, I can count on one hand the number of speakers that actually admitted to being right leaning. Almost without fail everyone starts the conversation with "I'm a traditional lefty...I'm coming from the left...". It's become a disclaimer, an invisible barrier so people know that they're coming from a place of virtue and personally I find it disingenuous and unnecessary
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