Can The MOST ADVANCED F1 Car Of All Time Beat a 2000s Car?
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- Опубликовано: 26 сен 2024
- 1992 Williams vs 2000 Ferrari!
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Were early 90s F1 cars difficult to drive despite having various driving aids compared to modern F1 cars? Share your thoughts! 👇
more difficult maybe
more dengerous and harder to drive on the limit 100%
Nah not at the driver aid peak. You still have to have significant throttle, brake, and steering control, along with precision timing and the ability to process and react to things much faster in today's cars.
Hah, I'd say yes, simply because the tracks' surface are generally MUCH better today than they were in the 90s! They were bumpy as all hell, and they just didn't care. I guess the attention to track quality was one of the many safety things sparked by Senna's death.
Hold on, didn't the FIA allowed TC back into F1 in 99?
@@Zephirot080 Banned in 1994 then allowed again at the 2001 Spanish GP then banned in 2008
Teams did operate some “loophole versions” of TC though
Fun Fact: Despite how famously large modern F1 cars are, they're actually narrower than the 1992 cars, as modern F1 cars are 2 meters wide, while 1992 cars were about 2.2 meters wide. What makes modern F1 cars so big is their length, not their width, they have a perfectly fine width.
2.0m - 2.2m is still too wide, the 2000 cars were 1.8m wide.
8 inches is a decent size.....
@@michaelp4122 Curious given the 2000's saw the lowest amount of overtakes in the history of F1. At least since the record keeping of overtakes has been kept. Early to mid 2010's cars are a different story though.
@@Starfire_Storm Well yeah, the introduction of DRS in 2011 surely helped the statistics. Whether or not it actually improved racing is debatable, but I guess it's sort of necessary with today's cars
@@Starfire_Storm tbf the low amount of overtakes in the 2000s was due to strategists working out it was easier/more efficient passing in the pit stop via fuel strategy than on track more so than the raceability of the cars the dirty air got worse circa 2005 when they raised the front wings but we got a classic title fight in 06-08 at the same time
@@michaelp41228 inches is twice the decent size
The best car of 93 vs the worst of 2023, it would be interesting to see this difference of three decades in f1
Williams vs Haas
A 2004 V10 Ferrari with the same tires as a modern F1 car.
2004 would be faster. 200lb less, no heavy battery.
Imagine what a modern V10 could do.... :+/
@@michaelp4122 I hate this debate the same applies for modern cars with old set ups
@@michaelp4122 and if you told a 2024 car they can have tire war slicks and an engine to last 1 race they would instantly go (3-5 seconds faster) and this not even considering weight or the fuel flow limit of the engines either
These hypotheticals are silly each car was built to the regulations at the time
@@MrMustache-yn4zm Yup they are they want to give the cars of yesterday all of the advantages but never acknowledge the disadvantages that the cars today have to face
Mansell Pole 1992 : 1.50.545
Hakkinen Pole 2000 : 1.50.646 (Schumacher 1.51.552)
In reality, lap records from 1992 were broken by 1997 cars, and then the laptimes became faster and faster from 2001-2005. Also, the 2000 car was likely faster in a straight line due to being narrower, so less drag.
2001 cars* 1991 and 1992 would blow away the cars from 1997.
@@theiceman7590 depends on the track the 1997 cars were very fast on some tracks due to the tire war between Goodyear and Bridgestone and last year of slicks till 2009 off the top of my head the 1997 Monaco pole lap and 1997 Spanish fastest lap stood as lap records for at least 4 years
A lot of lap records set in 1997 weren’t broken till about 2001/02 when a new tire war increased car speeds again
@@theiceman7590 They certainly had better electronics, but engine and aero development meant the cars had increased in speed by 1997. And the change to narrower cars and grooved tyres only brought about a tiny speed reduction which itself was quickly overcome
@@MPal24 I suspect the slicks would made a noticeable difference in grip.
What was the reason for picking the 92 car over the 93 car which is the one normally touted as the 'most technologically advanced F1 car of all time'?
Fair point. The 1992 introduced the technology, the 1993 car "only" improved it, therefore I consider the 1992 car more technologically advanced at its time. I will do a video with the 1993 car because it's absolute bonkers.
Also the 93 where narrower than the 92 (2.2m vs 2.0m) tire size went from 457mm to 381mm at the rear, smaller wings etc... They attept to slow them, but they went with more radical restriction in 94 with drivers assist ban. 92 cars were slightly faster than 93 cars in general
As the previous comment said the 92 car was slightly faster than the 93 cars as they tried to slow them down through car size and tire size
The 94 cars funnily enough before Imola were on the speed of the 92 cars but without all the electronic gizmos and were very on edge as a result
It would go
92 cars
94 cars (before Monaco)
93 cars
@@LMSCa18det* 2.15 m :)
Maybe even try the ‘93 McLaren? At the end of that season it was said to be more advanced than the Williams
Interestingly, the most advanced racing car ever was the 1996 DTM/ITC Opel Calibra. Back then Opel Team's budget for that season was $190mln while F1 Ferrari's was $90mln.
It actually used GPS to track its location on the track and adjust the active suspension.
Have you heard the tragedy of Darth 919 the wise?
The 2000s WRC rally cars also had GPS-controlled active suspension and differentials. Ford developed a storage tank to temporarily store turbo boost. And Subaru even put a jet engine into the anti-lag system.
@@SkyWKingmore akin to the jet engine tech on the subaru.
In 96 civilian GPS precison was 100 meters.
2:03 that williams had balls of steel
Fernando overtaking Michael schumacher in 05
@@mEmEzMaN... true lmao
Adrian Newey had no limits back in the days
This may be a controversial opinion but I think purely based on looks the early 90s cars are the best of all time. I do agree that there are icons from every era and that the v10s sounded best by far but the low and wide cars anywhere from the end of the turbo v6 era to the around the beginning of the v10 era are my all time favorites
I don't know from where Reiza gets their data to model cars and tracks on AMS2 or if they really understand about racing at all, but if you take the mentioned season's racing reports on GPs using the same layout will see that the 2000 cars ALWAYS were faster
Why are you talking about Reiza and AM2? This game is Asseto Corsa, right?!
Can this Williams beat the 2019 rokit Williams?
impossible
No way, even though the 2019 Williams was not that good it's over 25 years newer. It would absolutely destroy it. I'm talking 10 seconds faster.
@@THEWINDTUNNEL Even if you're the worst of the best, you're still one of the best. That's what the 2019 Williams is like XD
@@THEWINDTUNNEL 5 seconds faster at best not 10. Thats a wild exaggeration
Only Mansell would overtake on the outside of Blanchimont!!!
il leone with brass balls.
Both cars are incredible. Today's F1 cars are more like SUVs.
Very interesting. Always loved that yellow color-scheme since I first saw it in the 1989 Grand Prix game.
1:58 you can se that Williams almost drifting
How can you penalize one car with groved tires or does the simulation ignores this??
Imagine how loud this race would be if this were to happen in real life
Both are incredibly awesome cars
The only way to compare both cars correctly is to drive them seperatly!
If you look at the qualifying times in 1992 and 2000 you would find these cars are quite closely matched, but the FW14B is probably a bit quicker. The FW15C is usually considered the most advanced F1 car of all time though. In terms of the fastest F1 cars ever that would be the 2004/05 cars and the 2019-21 cars. The 04/05 cars are most impressive because they ran on grooved tyres. If they had slicks they would surely have been even faster.
Senna had to deal with that. 92. Monster of a car. Good video
I'd believe you if it's a real-life on-track race. No simulation.
Goosebumps remembering Senna keeping Mansell in the super-Williams at bay Monaco 1992
the mechanical grip advantage of the Williams was apparent in The Bus Stop.
The nicest livery ever
0:22 The F2000 had a top speed of around 350 km/h (on tracks like Monza and Hockenheim), not 330 km/h
Give Michael's 2000 Ferrari non-grooved slick tires to even the playing field.
But that’s not the regulations that the 2000 car had to adhere to
They were on grooved slicks
who asked?
Very cool, thanks. The race really should be around Monaco to make it super fair. Honestly.
Active suspension and automatic transmission are exponentially advantageous.
I would love a F1 game with like the 2004s grid or so. Modern graphics but old cars with refueling in pit stop. I miss those days. EA or Codemasters must do that.
"Advanced" is a kind of a contextual word here.
In the same sense an AK47 is "more advanced" than the most modern carbon fiber X-Bow that costs thousands of dollars
Optimistic?
1'51"552 for Schumacher in 2000 Vs 1'50"545 for Mansell in 92. Even Hakkinen pole was slower (1'50"646)
I don't remember if 2000's couldn't refuel after qualifying...
In straightaways and slows corners, the fw14b is tremendous.
Yet, Senna's pole in 90 and 91 were faster than Mansell's 92
Spa changed the layout in 1992. The bus stop chicane got slower for '92 and '93 then reverted back for '95 then went BACK again to the 92 and 93 layout in 2004 then changed AGAIN in 2007 and it's what we have now
This explains all the time differences and i reckon the 92 car would beat the 89 and 90 pole laps let alone one from 93 or onwards on the same track version.
But it's just my take
What do you think? :D
2000s was the 12laps qualifying era all the cars had no fuel on them
The biggest reason why the 2000 car was slower beyond the assists were the groove tires which were also smaller compared to 1992 and the smaller car dimensions leading to reduced downforce (so even thought they had more downforce technically it would have been less compared to if they were the same size as the 1992 cars)
The most accurate track would be Suzuka which I believe is the only track (maybe Monaco too) thats the same in 2000 as it is in 1992. Berger and Sennas lap was in 1991 was quicker than Schumachers pole in 2000 at Suzuka
@@theiceman7590 1991 IIRC might have still used qualifying tires but still very fast laps
@@RANDOMZBOSSMAN1 Yep, they had quali tires in 91. Also i believe fuel loads were a matter at that time to account for strategy in the race, whilst 91 i think they had quali fuel. Correct me if I'm wrong please.
:D
Isn't that the ferrari f399? Which was slightly slower than the f2000. I thought the f2000 had a white front spoiler.
grooved tyres = handicap
The Williams certainly LOOKS better than the Ferrari. That and The McLaren MP4 were two of the best looking F1 cars ever.
2000 was a last year of 20 century
Love the content. The what if scenarios are always fun to see. I have one suggestion though. Please provide the track name and era of configuration. I do know that this is Spa but I'm unfamiliar with the time frame of that track layout. The chicane and run up to the start/finish line threw me off.
It's the 1992 layout
Old, still 2/3 public roads Spa. Nice!
always love your F1 vids!
if you take suggestions, can I give you one I havnt seen this comparison of anywhere!?
current fastest f1 safety car vs equivalent performance old f1 car?
im like super curious how far back you would have to go to compare them!
how is the williams so fast in a straight line? i know the ferrari has more downforce but that seems a bit excessive
3.5 V10 vs 3.0 V10.
Beacuse it has a lot of power and very little drag (the active suspension could lower the rear of the car on the straights to change the angle of attack of both wings) .The gap between these two is even bigger at Monza even though it's a shorter lap.
1992 Italian GP pole: 1:22.221
2000 Italian GP pole: 1:23.770
1992 Belgian GP pole: 1:50.545
2000 Belgian GP pole: 1:50.646
In 2000 Monza had a change to the Rettifilo chicane and the Lesmo was tighter
did F1 cars really sound like that?
The 1991 cars are faster than 2000 at Suzuka which is probably the only track to stay the same between all those years.
The most avanced F1 car was the 1993 Williams FW15C, it has more tech than the FW14B
That V10 sound ❤❤❤
That's Williams is fast on top end😊
1994-2000 most beatiful cars ever sound is awesome ,,,
Your graphics settings for this video were superb. That in-car for the Ferrari was *chef's kiss*
The '92 Williams F1 car was the most advanced F1 car OF ITS DAYS, but definitely NOT the most advanced F1 car OF ALL TIME. You could say that it was the most "electronically assisted" F1 car of all time, though even that claim might not be completely right, as its traction control and ABS systems were incredibly rudimentary compared to similar devices which were developed and employed by F1 teams between 2001 and 2007. Technology-wise, any V10 F1 car from the mid-2000s was a spaceship compared to the FW14B and would utterly destroy the older Williams at any track, despite their lack of active suspension systems.
This is still true even if we bring into the mix modern F1 cars. Were one to compare the overall amount of technology involved in the development and production of present-day F1 cars, and the insane engineering these cars are infused with, to those of any F1 car from early and mid '90s, the latter would pale in comparison. Even though current-gen cars have no active suspension, TC or ABS, they are much, much faster, much more reliable, much more predictable and easier to drive.
So, although the FW14B is often hailed as "the most advanced F1 car of all time", this is just a myth, if you ask me.
A cool one, though, as I myself am a huge fan of that car indeed!
How about the 2 most recent production based cars to win LeMans: 935K3 and McLaren F1 GTR
Isn't the FW15C the most technologically advanced F1 car of all time?
The 14B just combined all the tech together but the 15C perfected everything and was a fair bit faster i think.
The 14 was faster due to bigger tires and a wider car but the 15 was more advanced yes
@@RANDOMZBOSSMAN1 Oh that is cool I totally forgot about that. So were the wider tires the sole reason for the 14B to be faster? The 15C had much more advanced tech and aero.
Very impressive, thank you!
Thats the ferrari from '99 bro
Nice video, but I doubt this is realistic of the cars' performances. Starting with the engine, the Ferrari Tipo 049 had 815 bhp (according to stats F1), while the Renault RS4 only produced 750 bhp and was also 37 kg heavier than the Ferrari (same source).
Pre-'98 cars were also wider, which produced more drag, however the active suspension on the Williams might cover some of that deficit.
Regarding the tyres, in '92 they still used qualifying tyres which lasted just for one or two flying laps and had a lot of grip. So, comparing the qualifying times is a bit problematic.
It seems to me the physics are a little off here. The Ferrari should be faster in a straight line, while the Williams should be faster through many of the corners.
Being honest l think this is VERY optimistic😅
About?
No it isn't!
1992 Belgian GP pole: 1:50.545
2000 Belgian GP pole: 1:50.646
1992 Belgian GP fastest lap: 1:53.791
2000 Belgian GP fastest lap: 1:53.803
The Williams FW14B was a crazy fast even a decade after!
@@THEWINDTUNNEL l wasn't expecting that 🤯!
@@THEWINDTUNNELGotta thank narrower cars and groove tires for that and no aids
IIRC the lap record of 1992 set at Magny-cours lasted all the way to 2001 where the tire war dramatically increased speeds again
Formula 1 between 1998-2000 (especially 1999-2000 when it was a control tire formula) was definitely relatively slow when you compare it to the era of 1990-2010
Why would you put the most advanced F1 car up against the f2000. It should be put up against the best that was produced at that time, the F2004. The F2004 was a much better car than the F2000 and judging by what we saw against the F2000 the F2004 probably would have won.
WILLIAMS RENAULT FW14b 😎💯🏁
You really want the FW15 not the 14B
5 seconds in and I can tell this will be *YET ANOTHER* vid with idiotmusic competing with a voiceover
The FW14 is the 1991 car. The FW14B is the 1992. The most advanced car is the FW15C which took part in the 1993 season. Please get your facts straight.
Why is the Ferrari wearing rain tires ?
They aren't rain tyres, F1 cars used to have grooved tyres between the late 90s and 2008 to reduce the tyre's grip and lower the cornering speed after Senna's and Ratzemberger's accidents. They also putted a lot of chicanes at every fast corner of the championship, including Eau Rouge. Fortunately we got rid of both things
let those be driven by a sim racer and youll se the ferrari fly away
I call BS on this. Ain't no way
Both cars are from 20th century.
2000's cars had to race on those crappy grooved tyres.
The rich guys that 'own' those cars now track day them with slicks with the Ferrari program. They'll never get the full performance out of them though for various reasons (skills, limiters etc)
So what was the point in spending £millions on ten years of development?
Lol. "The MOST ADVANCED F1 Car Of All Time " probably hasn't been built yet. There's still time.
What year is this Spa config?
1992
Brutal
Why do you think the 1992 Williams was the most advanced car?
Every electronic aid ever allowed on a race prepped F1 car all in one package...
@@IndyF1FanMarquis ☝
@@IndyF1FanMarquis
And what about the 93 FW15C?
@@andreaspiechocki7078 The FW15C had better aero and antilock brakes. Technically it is the superior car, but the FW14B was more dominant.
@@IndyF1FanMarquis
FW14B ten Victory’s, FW15C ten victory’s.
I don’t see a diference
2004 f1 car maybe able to beat the 92 car.
Yeah, by quite a bit
Arguable slightly faster than current F1 car formula too.
Sad that the most advanced f1 car is from 30 years ago. FIA needs to stop banning innovations
Ferrari wins that race every day of the week, no way in HELL that Ferrari would be slower.
Of course it can. Just shows how the FIA always killed innovation and current F1 cars cost over 12 million dollars.
Braking was much improved in these 8 years.
Wasn't FW15C faster than FW14??
But the pilots are missing, so bad trajectories
Hmmm @1:26 you are trying to tell us that 4 km/h equals 45mph? OK.
Oopps
A better comparison with the 2004 Ferrari would have been if the 92 world-beating Williams had been put there, then it would have been appropriate if the dominant 04' Ferrari of the early 2000s had been put as a challenger 💯☝🏻
Could you make a race with all f1 cars that won the championship?