Actually, that was a really excellent video. I know a lot of the fundamental's intuitively, but this is the first time I've ever heard this stuff articulated in a way that the underlying details are open in a way that I can actually chew on. On a side note, 4 of the last 5 cars we have owned have been Legacy's, and we've never had a single issue with any of the CVT's in those cars. 1 of the 5 was an Impreza and we didn't have a lick of trouble with it either. Now my understanding from people who have owned them is that the forester is a different kettle of fish. I haven't heard good things specifically about the forester.
Here's my question? How long did you own each & how many miles on each before you unloaded them. I ordered my first Subaru a little over 2 years ago, no complaints thus far (Crosstrek Limited).
@danielfair4675 I buy only used from a dealer with around 14k miles and I trade them at 80k. After they hit 90k, their trade in really takes a hit. I never take more than a 4 year loan so by the time I'm ready to trade I've got between 6 to 8k of equity as a down-payment on the next vehicle. I do the same with my GMC trucks This method pretty much ensures I never have huge repair bills. Shit happens but it's been a solid strategy
@stanjuan1178 here's my thing, lol. I just keep things and buy more. I've only bought 5 vehicles in the last 25 years, BUT I still have 4 of them. 2 were new, and the other only had 10,000 miles on it at 6 yrs old. I bought my first car back in 1985 and have owned at least 2 at a time since 1987. Half of those years I've had 3. 🤷♂️
This is the most in depth and on point review of the wilderness cars I’ve seen on RUclips. There are videos doing off road tests. But I feel like I’ve learned more about these car watching this video than watching those real world off-road tests.
I love your down to earth style. It is like me listening to a friend in his garage telling me the experience of owning Subaru. I had an old 2011 outback and it lacked power if I packed it up with five people. Good to see the turbo should solve that problem.
Wow! Incredible review. Real, down to earth and valuable information for anyone, let alone someone who is seriously thinking of buying a Subaru for the first time, me! Thanks a lot!
I very much like the way this man explains things. Very easy to understand his talking points because he gives solid and well spoken reasoning to back up his findings and opinions. Very informative, thank you.
Claus, I was a Master automotive technician for 25 years and you really did a good job explaining the difference between these models. Ps I came here from your WOT vids which are also fantastic
Nicely done video. Forester Wilderness owner here. The things that made me choose Forester over Crosstrek was the crawl camera in the grill to avoid rocks (but 9 of 10 times I use it for parking!) and the full sized spare tire. You are not wrong at all about it feeling sluggish (doubly so since I came from an 06 Forester XT with a turbo). However the "1st gear” in "manual mode" is noticably lower than first was in my XT meaning I can now putt my way up the same steep climbs and remain in the powerband at 5kph. With the XT, I had to keep it at 17kph. The ride is much smoother now! 😂
Just picked up a FW 24. I think the forester looks much better, I dont like the wagon look. Plus the touch knobs, big sunroof, and reliability of non turbo was a huge plus. No regrets over the OB or CT
I've had three Subaru's before the CVT came out, I don't currently have a Outback. Last summer I talked to an Outback owner that went and got an older non CVT Outback after replacing two CVTs. Claus I hope you have much better luck. I now live in Europe and the Wilderness isn't planned on being sold here.
Hi, @18:00 mark, just one note: the cut back corners make off roading approaches better. Anyone who's an avid/skilled off roader knows that taking humps at an angle reduces the *effective* approach angle. Thus, tucking up the bumper corners helps us off-roaders by allowing us to have a higher *effective* approach angle. It's literally something we all try to do when we mod Subies for real off-road use. Also, note the bumper cover is now multi-piece on the Crosstrek Wilderness, to accommodate replacing pieces instead of the whole thing, for the unfortunate off-road incidents when the cover gets bashed into something.
22:29 - I just test drove and purchased a pre-owned Crosstrek Wilderness (no option package) that had been part of the dealer's loaner fleet, and it included a smart rearview mirror when I drove it. I did notice a dumb mirror sitting in the cargo area, so I really hope it's not getting swapped out for when I go to pick it up on Monday 🤞🏼
Funny, I almost shut the video off until you added the info on the motorcycle experience, and I’m glad I did. Extremely valuable information and easy to understand. Leaning now for an Outback,,, I live in Michigan and already have a 4 x 4 Ford Quigley van , but zi need a worthy car/suv to get around in Michigan winters……
How will the turbo engine fair at 150k miles, confident with service intervals and reliability? Will you prefer an NA engine if you keep the car longer?
I find that most people are buying these cars in Canada is because are roads are in very BAD condition, and when you wake up in the morning to a foot of snow you want something that you can rely on to get you to work or were ever you are headind.Great honest review keep up the good work😊
This video was very helpful. Im technically inclined so need more details about whats under the hood, how it works etc. This video covers that all, with an okay pace, explains terms and takes it in measured steps. Good work. Could help with editing maybe, but its more earthier and real this way! 😅
Very nice video! It's nice to see someone actually go in depth about all the differences and explain them so people can understand better. Thank you for going into detail!
Nice video Claus, I feel like you've got the key items sorted on these vehicles. Now I've gotta test drive one :) Liked your little engineering aside on torque and the motorcycle example. Peace and love from Hamilton, ON.
Since both your Subarus have the same tow rating, are you considering adding a receiver hitch to the Crosstrek? It would be nice to have a comparison video of both your vehicles in a real world towing situation.
@clauskellermanpov3004 true. I think towing capacity and realistically common sense should be taught a little more. Towing the same 2000 ib trailer. Depending the size will be so much less stable on the crosstrek than the outback bc of weight and size. :/
Thanks Claus. That's very helpful. You did in fact cover some things I had not heard covered before. In the way of constructive criticism, I think you're a little repetitive at times, and could be edited to be a bit shorter. It may be in there but I didn't notice your mentioning the model year. Even if it's in there, it should be more conspicuous. Assuming the Crosstrek is a 2024, it's natural you would like many features in it better than the Forester or the Outback. The Crosstrek was redesigned this year and feels more modern. It is also quieter than the previous Crosstrek. For people who really value off-roading, I think the better approach and departure angles, the full-sized spare tire, and the forward facing trail cam make the Forester a better choice for off-roading than the Crosstrek. And, once the redesign of the Forester is out in 2025, I'm sure the superior features of the Crosstrek (like the slightly better torque) will be matched. Thanks again Claus. Good job!
Great practical review Claus. I like the Wilderness colour scheme. We don't get them here in New Zealand unfortunately! I am about to buy a new Outback X which is similar. As for the bike comparison, The Ducati is built for the race track and the Suzuki for the street. Max low down torque always wins on the street for average driving / riding. My BMW R1200R has great low down torque and makes it super easy to ride.
Very nice vehicles. We bought my oldest son a lower trim outback (no turbo :( ). I have had many nice cars (BMW, Merc, Porshce, Cadi, etc.) and I have never been so impressed by the modern Subaru quality, luxury, ride, and safety at such a price point.
VERY good video explaining Torque, HP and Wheel Base. I've tried to explain it to people but have never been as articulate as what you did. Every car buyer should watch your video. BTW I still like our Foresters better (for everyday driving) 🙂
I'm in South Dakota and I see a few of these. Thought I'd let you know I'm sharing your video on my FB (not that I have THAT large of a friends list) BUT it is a thank you for all your WOT help over the years. To your inflow!
Klaus I'm letting you know this and all of your viewers the way you fix graying plastic if you get a can of Rust-Oleum clear lacquer it turns the plastic to brand new and it lasts the only prep you need is to wipe off the dirt spray on a dry surface
U just need to take a heat gun to it... The UV light makes the oil in the plastic dry up and fades. Heat gun draws the oil back to the surface and turns it black again. U can use a torch as well but just gotta be very careful cause u can melt it
Thank you Claus, I have never understood Torque or RPMs so this was explained beautifully. I test drove the Forester Touring and love the roominess, visibility, easy touch screen, all but the poor heating of the seat was sure I was going to buy it, UNTIL, I drove the Outback Wilderness and the difference was shocking, loved the pep! I mainly drive in town and have two sheepdogs, so thinking Outback may be the car for me...just wish it had the same visibility. I'm a 60 yo woman and felt the Wilderness was a bit rugged looking, so maybe Outback Limited XT? I haven't bought either yet because I really don't like the huge screen, I was so concentrated on getting all the settings correct that I could barely focus on driving. Ugh! Anyway, much appreciate this video!
I have driven them all testing them with my son before we got him his first car. (The Outback) The first time I drove the Outback I backed it out of a spot and the pedal was so light. (Very Responsive). Very easy to drive and enough space to make you feel like you are in control. (My son who is 18 actually loved it) The Crosstrek is very zippy like you said fun to drive. Much louder than the outback. The best choice if you want a sporty type of vehicle that has off road capability. ( As a taller guy 6'2) I found the Crosstrek to be a little tight inside. I drove a 2023 Forester when the Outback needed service and I found it to be a nice vehicle. Much more head room than the other 2. It handled fine I didn't find it to roll as much as other people said it would when making tight turns. The long and the short of it, They are all good vehicles and I would recommend Subaru to anyone.
I'm a female long time subaru owner, first Forester now Outback. I learned more in your video about torque and approach angle than I ever have. Great video. I currently have a 2015 Outback and am thinking of getting either a Crosstrek or Outback, cannot decide. But your video helps!
Thanks for the comprehensive reviews! I don’t mind the ‘greying’ on the cladding. My 2014 Crosstrek bought new, now has 39K on it. It gets up a hill a lil better than my former 2001 Forester did. Foresters got too big for my budget and lifestyle @ 10 years later, so I hopped over to a Crosstrek after that. It handles well - def has a tight wheel base. It hauls plenty of animal feed and other bulk items with the back seats down! Working from home saves miles! Small feathered farm animal needs keep down the extended road trips too. Thankfully it is holding up well! There’s confusion about all the latest tech and new features - touch screen issues, rear view mirror issues, power train, CVT, etc.,…not in a rush, but I’d wait a few years til some things (bugs, weak features) get ‘ironed out’. Thanks for the motorcycle driving adventure share! With @ 6 Harleys, a Triumph and a Suzuki in the family …the sound effects were wonderfully authentic! Let’s ride!
thanks Klaus I am in Canada too. We are considering a cross trek. I love the outback, but my wife is going to be the driver and we love the wilderness cross trek. Question you talked about the trailer will the cross trek pull a trailer like the out back? thanks for your input, Love the video.
Good video. The one thing you didn't touch on regarding handling is understeer. I haven't driven the Outback, but I have driven the other two and the Crosstrek has much more neutral handling than the Forester, which understeers surprisingly heavily, particularly on loose surface roads. The Crosstrek is definitely more responsive and fun to drive in that situation. The lack of low down grunt is easily countered by using manual mode for big hills and high torque situations, just drop down a (fake) cog or two to get the revs up. What makes it worse is that the CVT is obviously tuned for economy and doesn't drop down ratios in D as readily as it should. Cheers Rob
Good comment. You are exactly right. The CVT is tuned to get the best MPG rating which they must do to follow laws. Having the ability to use the paddle shifters is a great fix hen you need the power. I would prefer a manual transmission but they don't offer it any more - again to get they MPG rating down...
Have you ever gotten a chance to compare your two cars driving up some mountain highways at speed? I have an OBW but am considering the CTW. However, I don't want to switch if the CTW can't maintain the speed limit (or maybe a bit higher than that) while driving up steep mountain grades. I've gotten some answers from CTW owners that have helped but you're the perfect guy to ask since you have both cars. As for your CTW's shifter knob, I'm pretty sure all CTW's get the plain black one. I don't think it's because you got an early-built unit. Thanks for the video.
The crosstrek does not have the HP or torque of the outback. It will slow down on mountain hills or have to red really high. The outback can maintain speed in cruise control while towing my 2,000 lb trailer. Turbo too! No turbo on Crosstrek.
As others have mentioned, you've put the fundamentals in a really good, easy to digest way and thanks for that. I'm looking at the '24 Crosstrek Wilderness but am worried about the its ability to overtake semi trucks in those long highway drives. I'm coming from a 2004 Honda Civic so at this point anything is an upgrade haha.
I own a 2017 Crosstrek and recently took a long trip, with no issues on highway or incline roads. Passed plenty vehicles and it easily cruised at 75 to 85 MPH without any concerns.
I have a 2018 Crosstrek Touring. I LOVE that thing. The ONLY thing I do not like about is that the gauges are terrible. The 11 inch touchscreen is way to big and gets in the way. That being said the 2024 Crosstrek has 4.11 gears. Quite a good feature.
Great video. You failed to mention fuel economy on either vehicle. I have a '17 Impreza 5dr and had a '20 Ascent with the 2.4L turbo that guzzled gas like no other. The Ascent was rated at 20/26 comb. 22mpg. Best I would get is about 18mpg with near 50/50 split hwy/city. Outback is a bit smaller so slightly better fuel economy but I imagine similar issues.
Thanks for the great comparison Claus. Not many people actually own the cars they talk about so they end up giving us fluff and garbage like how many litres of catnip we can carry or whether the colour matches their prom night hair dye. I feel blessed to have a 2024 Outback XT after my 17 year old Impreza finally gave me too much trouble for it's worth last month but to hear your true car-owning insight on the Crosstrek vs the Outback Turbo puts my mind at ease with my purchase. The Outback XT's powertrain feels phenomenal, simply pulling and pulling all the way to 100. That turbo kick is really something to be felt rather than talked about. I also live in Canada so we experience true four seasons and with the Outback's driving dynamics I feel confident with basically whatever the weather Gods decide to throw at us here.
Are you able to switch the temperature into imperial? We have a 2019, and the temperature cannot be switched. We live in the US now, so I'm stuck in imperial. Thank you so much for explaining torque, because I never knew exactly what it was.
Hey Claus thanks for the NO BS Review, as for the black cladding there are two things you can do, get some "Mothers back to black" and polish that plastic up, also some say, but I have not tried this yet but you can take a heat gun to it and the black will come out basically erasing that greyish coloring and will bring it back to looking like new, but ya have to be careful that ya don't melt it, got to put just the right amount of heat into it. I'm sure there are some RUclips videos on it, so be sure to check it out to get that plastic back to looking new. Also part of the reason I was looking at the Jeep Grand Cherokee is that they have redundant buttons for the heater/seats etc...so if that infotainment center ever fails ya got a back up.
@@clauskellermanpov3004 Works pretty well on my Jeep Cherokee that has that same plastic I also sometimes use "Car Guys" Premium Plastic Restorer" which I got from I think Amazon, it also works really well. I have seen videos on the heat gun trick but have not really tired that yet. you'll have to reapply the mothers or the Car Guys stuff like every 3 months or so depending if ya park inside or out and how often you go to the car wash, however I usually just do it once a year.👍 P.s. Show Marty in the next video if you still have him!
ceramic coating works as well from what I've heard. I think you need to get the slightly more expensive stuff, not the cheaper spray bottle ones at Canadian Tire.
noo! don't do the heat gun thing, it will just make it worse. It will very temporarily make it black but then very soon it will get even greyer and worst of all it makes the plastic more brittle because it takes out the moisture and oils out of it
@@crimsonlightbinder well I would expect that ya polish it after as well to put the moisture etc back in. I have seen videos of the process but I personally just use the back to black stuff. However nothing we do will be a long term fix sadly. Here is one of the videos I watched: ruclips.net/video/_sEBSxDY-jM/видео.htmlsi=-rnK1uekigvzTgUU
I have a basic 2019 Outback and it has been on many Rockhounding adventures across 5 states. I love it! but dream of trading up for a new Wilderness sometime!👍👍
Thank you for this video. I wanted a Crosstrek but now I would like to have the Outback. Thank you so much for this information it makes a difference in determining what kind of vehicle I would like to get.
Great video, I'm thinking of buying a Subaru, currently have a Land Rover so great for torque but terribly slow on a long journey so food for thought 👍
Great video, always thought the Forester was a compromise compared to either model. Also made me feel good about my lifted Xterra Pro-4x. Either Subaru can't touch my approach/departure angle 👌
Do the Wilderness models have softer suspensions than the other models? Do they ride any differently on the road? I'm wondering if they really are sprung for off-road with softer springs and longer travel.
Holy moly, I’m subscribing to your channel 😎 I can definitely understand your thinking as there’s a bigger difference between OBW vs Crosstrek Wildness; whereas as much as I dream of having an OBW & Forester Willderness, they’re much closer in size. Geyser Blue is a gorgeous shade of blue. Congratulations 🎉
The mirror with the compass and garage door buttons is an option on the crosstrek. I have it and i love it. Dont feel too bad though because US crosstreks dont get heated steering wheels
Without any mention of the climate and conditions under which the vehicle was stored, parked, and driven, your information is about as useful as "I can cook a steak"
Actually, that was a really excellent video. I know a lot of the fundamental's intuitively, but this is the first time I've ever heard this stuff articulated in a way that the underlying details are open in a way that I can actually chew on.
On a side note, 4 of the last 5 cars we have owned have been Legacy's, and we've never had a single issue with any of the CVT's in those cars. 1 of the 5 was an Impreza and we didn't have a lick of trouble with it either. Now my understanding from people who have owned them is that the forester is a different kettle of fish. I haven't heard good things specifically about the forester.
thanks for watching
Here's my question?
How long did you own each & how many miles on each before you unloaded them.
I ordered my first Subaru a little over 2 years ago, no complaints thus far (Crosstrek Limited).
@danielfair4675 I buy only used from a dealer with around 14k miles and I trade them at 80k. After they hit 90k, their trade in really takes a hit. I never take more than a 4 year loan so by the time I'm ready to trade I've got between 6 to 8k of equity as a down-payment on the next vehicle. I do the same with my GMC trucks
This method pretty much ensures I never have huge repair bills. Shit happens but it's been a solid strategy
@stanjuan1178 here's my thing, lol.
I just keep things and buy more. I've only bought 5 vehicles in the last 25 years, BUT I still have 4 of them. 2 were new, and the other only had 10,000 miles on it at 6 yrs old.
I bought my first car back in 1985 and have owned at least 2 at a time since 1987. Half of those years I've had 3. 🤷♂️
Just bought a 2019 legacy. Love it so far.
Claus you were a pleasure to listen to. Thank you for both the technical information in a form I could understand and for your sense of humor.
This is my first time watching this channel and you are an absolute delight.
So informative. So funny. Brilliant. You're good.
Welcome aboard!
This is the most in depth and on point review of the wilderness cars I’ve seen on RUclips. There are videos doing off road tests. But I feel like I’ve learned more about these car watching this video than watching those real world off-road tests.
Glad you liked it!
Have actually learnt more about cars in general
@@sambwete1647 That’s very true.
You are the only man talking the engine power in the very beginning, I love it 🎉
Nice to see some Canadian car reviews. Very good real world info. Thanks.
Glad you liked it!
please do more Subaru Wilderness videos. You bring a good perspective and you own 2 of them 👍
will do!
@@clauskellermanpov3004 Are you gonna get the Forester Wilderness also to round out the lineup?
I love your down to earth style. It is like me listening to a friend in his garage telling me the experience of owning Subaru. I had an old 2011 outback and it lacked power if I packed it up with five people. Good to see the turbo should solve that problem.
Agreed
Turbo solves the sluggishness however when the warranty is over and Turbo goes out ..its expensive
Thanks for the review, especially the explanation of torque and approach angle. After 50 years, I had forgotten my physics.
Glad it helped!
Wow! Incredible review. Real, down to earth and valuable information for anyone, let alone someone who is seriously thinking of buying a Subaru for the first time, me! Thanks a lot!
you are welcome!
I want the Outback engine in the Crosstrek 😂
Bingo!!!
Yes please…🎉🎉🎉
Yes!
Bring back the Forester XT!!!!
Which is why I didn’t buy a crosstrek.
hey claus love this side of you great video love the no bullshit review. keep coming with videos on this channel.
Never has a video answered my questions better than this one has! I’m so glad I stumbled upon your channel! Thanks for the excellent explanation.
You are welcome!
I very much like the way this man explains things. Very easy to understand his talking points because he gives solid and well spoken reasoning to back up his findings and opinions. Very informative, thank you.
Glad you liked it!
Claus, I was a Master automotive technician for 25 years and you really did a good job explaining the difference between these models.
Ps I came here from your WOT vids which are also fantastic
Thanks 👍
Great video. Learned so much. And I’ve watched a LOT of Subi Wilderness videos. This was the best by far. And fun.
Awesome, thank you!
Nicely done video.
Forester Wilderness owner here. The things that made me choose Forester over Crosstrek was the crawl camera in the grill to avoid rocks (but 9 of 10 times I use it for parking!) and the full sized spare tire.
You are not wrong at all about it feeling sluggish (doubly so since I came from an 06 Forester XT with a turbo). However the "1st gear” in "manual mode" is noticably lower than first was in my XT meaning I can now putt my way up the same steep climbs and remain in the powerband at 5kph. With the XT, I had to keep it at 17kph. The ride is much smoother now! 😂
Just picked up a FW 24. I think the forester looks much better, I dont like the wagon look. Plus the touch knobs, big sunroof, and reliability of non turbo was a huge plus. No regrets over the OB or CT
LOVE my 2024 Outback WILDERNESS, off road bad weather ready, Smooth ride, nice features!
Couldn't agree more!
On the fence on buying a 2022 wilderness outback. How reliable are there CVT transmission?
I Just got one yesterday. I just fond the water temperature is so high. Stay very close to the red zone. Is your outback temperature Hot. Thank you.
@@highspeed1865
Plan on changing the cvt fluid every 30,000 and you’ll be fine.
I've had three Subaru's before the CVT came out, I don't currently have a Outback. Last summer I talked to an Outback owner that went and got an older non CVT Outback after replacing two CVTs. Claus I hope you have much better luck. I now live in Europe and the Wilderness isn't planned on being sold here.
Hi, @18:00 mark, just one note: the cut back corners make off roading approaches better. Anyone who's an avid/skilled off roader knows that taking humps at an angle reduces the *effective* approach angle. Thus, tucking up the bumper corners helps us off-roaders by allowing us to have a higher *effective* approach angle.
It's literally something we all try to do when we mod Subies for real off-road use. Also, note the bumper cover is now multi-piece on the Crosstrek Wilderness, to accommodate replacing pieces instead of the whole thing, for the unfortunate off-road incidents when the cover gets bashed into something.
good points. thanks for sharing!
I think brands should give a max and min approach and departure angles, so people know exactly what they're getting.
@@rodrigogoytia925 you can find the approach and departure angles on Subaru's site.
22:29 - I just test drove and purchased a pre-owned Crosstrek Wilderness (no option package) that had been part of the dealer's loaner fleet, and it included a smart rearview mirror when I drove it. I did notice a dumb mirror sitting in the cargo area, so I really hope it's not getting swapped out for when I go to pick it up on Monday 🤞🏼
You got lucky!
@@clauskellermanpov3004I hope so! We'll see what happens when I pick it up in a few hours
Funny, I almost shut the video off until you added the info on the motorcycle experience, and I’m glad I did. Extremely valuable information and easy to understand. Leaning now for an Outback,,, I live in Michigan and already have a 4 x 4 Ford Quigley van , but zi need a worthy car/suv to get around in Michigan winters……
Glad you enjoyed it!
Amazing presentation- you are a fabulous actor- in a good way. Outback Wilderness for me. Love torque.
Good job Claus, nice cars, nice colour
Love u Clauss. Been with you for a long time, since 2020. In your other channel since 2019. Keep up the good work. Love from a friend here in Brazil.
I appreciate it!
What I learned from this video is that Claus understands the pros and cons of various motorcycles. And his friend doesn't.
His friend didnt know how to ride... 30:58
Brother I love this video you should be teaching I can watch this 50 times and not get sick of it
How will the turbo engine fair at 150k miles, confident with service intervals and reliability? Will you prefer an NA engine if you keep the car longer?
This was very informative. The torque talk was great. Thanks
Glad it was helpful!
I find that most people are buying these cars in Canada is because are roads are in very BAD condition, and when you wake up in the morning to a foot of snow you want something that you can rely on to get you to work or were ever you are headind.Great honest review keep up the good work😊
Just ordered a 2024 OBW, What an excellent video. Thanks for sharing!!!
This video was very helpful. Im technically inclined so need more details about whats under the hood, how it works etc. This video covers that all, with an okay pace, explains terms and takes it in measured steps. Good work. Could help with editing maybe, but its more earthier and real this way! 😅
Glad you liked it!
Very nice video! It's nice to see someone actually go in depth about all the differences and explain them so people can understand better. Thank you for going into detail!
Glad it was helpful!
Nice video Claus, I feel like you've got the key items sorted on these vehicles. Now I've gotta test drive one :)
Liked your little engineering aside on torque and the motorcycle example. Peace and love from Hamilton, ON.
Since both your Subarus have the same tow rating, are you considering adding a receiver hitch to the Crosstrek? It would be nice to have a comparison video of both your vehicles in a real world towing situation.
I know they are “rated” the same but the crosstrek is lighter smaller and has less HP. It won’t tow as well.
@clauskellermanpov3004 true. I think towing capacity and realistically common sense should be taught a little more.
Towing the same 2000 ib trailer. Depending the size will be so much less stable on the crosstrek than the outback bc of weight and size. :/
Thanks Claus. That's very helpful. You did in fact cover some things I had not heard covered before. In the way of constructive criticism, I think you're a little repetitive at times, and could be edited to be a bit shorter. It may be in there but I didn't notice your mentioning the model year. Even if it's in there, it should be more conspicuous. Assuming the Crosstrek is a 2024, it's natural you would like many features in it better than the Forester or the Outback. The Crosstrek was redesigned this year and feels more modern. It is also quieter than the previous Crosstrek. For people who really value off-roading, I think the better approach and departure angles, the full-sized spare tire, and the forward facing trail cam make the Forester a better choice for off-roading than the Crosstrek. And, once the redesign of the Forester is out in 2025, I'm sure the superior features of the Crosstrek (like the slightly better torque) will be matched. Thanks again Claus. Good job!
Great video bro I'm in Saskatchewan great explanation. Have a wonderful day .. I have 2016 outback limited..
Nice 👍
Great practical review Claus. I like the Wilderness colour scheme. We don't get them here in New Zealand unfortunately! I am about to buy a new Outback X which is similar. As for the bike comparison, The Ducati is built for the race track and the Suzuki for the street. Max low down torque always wins on the street for average driving / riding. My BMW R1200R has great low down torque and makes it super easy to ride.
The sound effects were so good I liked the video. Thanks
Very nice vehicles. We bought my oldest son a lower trim outback (no turbo :( ). I have had many nice cars (BMW, Merc, Porshce, Cadi, etc.) and I have never been so impressed by the modern Subaru quality, luxury, ride, and safety at such a price point.
Have a 2017 crosstrek, 2” lift, skid plate, Auxbeam off road lights , 235/55/17 all terrains, 30 mpg, love it
Nice!
Congratulations! The cars are beautiful. Good luck on the road.
You are so random it’s hilarious but I really enjoy it at the 6 minute mark. I thought you were done for sure. Thanks for the review.
I try to keep it fun. I also try to give enough information so that you can form an opinion.
Best explanation I’ve seen by far of the different engines! Thank you
VERY good video explaining Torque, HP and Wheel Base. I've tried to explain it to people but have never been as articulate as what you did. Every car buyer should watch your video.
BTW I still like our Foresters better (for everyday driving) 🙂
Thanks buddy!
I love the way you teach!
1:51 What's the silver cord for that's tucked into the lower grill area?
That is a block heater chord standard in Canada. I don’t use it but if the temp drops you can plug it in and keep the engine block warm.
I'm in South Dakota and I see a few of these. Thought I'd let you know I'm sharing your video on my FB (not that I have THAT large of a friends list) BUT it is a thank you for all your WOT help over the years. To your inflow!
Awesome thank you!
Klaus I'm letting you know this and all of your viewers the way you fix graying plastic if you get a can of Rust-Oleum clear lacquer it turns the plastic to brand new and it lasts the only prep you need is to wipe off the dirt spray on a dry surface
U just need to take a heat gun to it... The UV light makes the oil in the plastic dry up and fades. Heat gun draws the oil back to the surface and turns it black again. U can use a torch as well but just gotta be very careful cause u can melt it
@@davidmoore8741 try my way on some old faded plastic you'll see how it is totally Magic didn't mean to rhyme that one but yeah
i will look at that
Thank you Claus, I have never understood Torque or RPMs so this was explained beautifully. I test drove the Forester Touring and love the roominess, visibility, easy touch screen, all but the poor heating of the seat was sure I was going to buy it, UNTIL, I drove the Outback Wilderness and the difference was shocking, loved the pep! I mainly drive in town and have two sheepdogs, so thinking Outback may be the car for me...just wish it had the same visibility. I'm a 60 yo woman and felt the Wilderness was a bit rugged looking, so maybe Outback Limited XT? I haven't bought either yet because I really don't like the huge screen, I was so concentrated on getting all the settings correct that I could barely focus on driving. Ugh! Anyway, much appreciate this video!
make sure it has the 260 HP engine not the 182 HP engine!
Thank you for this! It's extremely helpful how you've explained everything, and it's a refreshing approach to comparison/review videos
Glad you enjoyed it!
I have driven them all testing them with my son before we got him his first car. (The Outback) The first time I drove the Outback I backed it out of a spot and the pedal was so light. (Very Responsive). Very easy to drive and enough space to make you feel like you are in control. (My son who is 18 actually loved it) The Crosstrek is very zippy like you said fun to drive. Much louder than the outback. The best choice if you want a sporty type of vehicle that has off road capability. ( As a taller guy 6'2) I found the Crosstrek to be a little tight inside. I drove a 2023 Forester when the Outback needed service and I found it to be a nice vehicle. Much more head room than the other 2. It handled fine I didn't find it to roll as much as other people said it would when making tight turns. The long and the short of it, They are all good vehicles and I would recommend Subaru to anyone.
I'm a female long time subaru owner, first Forester now Outback. I learned more in your video about torque and approach angle than I ever have. Great video. I currently have a 2015 Outback and am thinking of getting either a Crosstrek or Outback, cannot decide. But your video helps!
Glad it helped
If you don't need the extra room in the Forrester then the CrossTrek is a great choice!
Well explained wish there are more RUclipsrs that explain the difference like you have done. Well said thank you guy.
you are welcome
THANK YOU!!! This video was Extremely helpful and informative !!👏🏽👏🏽
Glad it was helpful!
Thanks for the comprehensive reviews! I don’t mind the ‘greying’ on the cladding. My 2014 Crosstrek bought new, now has 39K on it. It gets up a hill a lil better than my former 2001 Forester did. Foresters got too big for my budget and lifestyle @ 10 years later, so I hopped over to a Crosstrek after that. It handles well - def has a tight wheel base. It hauls plenty of animal feed and other bulk items with the back seats down! Working from home saves miles! Small feathered farm animal needs keep down the extended road trips too. Thankfully it is holding up well! There’s confusion about all the latest tech and new features - touch screen issues, rear view mirror issues, power train, CVT, etc.,…not in a rush, but I’d wait a few years til some things (bugs, weak features) get ‘ironed out’. Thanks for the motorcycle driving adventure share! With @ 6 Harleys, a Triumph and a Suzuki in the family …the sound effects were wonderfully authentic! Let’s ride!
Great choice particularly the Crosstrek. My only caution as a former owner of multiple Subarus is change the oil every 5000 miles.
You should do that on every car lol.
yes. the crosstrek takes very very light oil. 0W18. may be smart to put in a slightly more viscous oil so it doesn't consume as much
What kind of viscous oil do you recommend?
thanks Klaus I am in Canada too. We are considering a cross trek. I love the outback, but my wife is going to be the driver and we love the wilderness cross trek. Question you talked about the trailer will the cross trek pull a trailer like the out back? thanks for your input, Love the video.
Aloha; well done sir, well done! MORE please! Excellent review and gentle explanations galore! Mahalo!
What are your thoughts about the CVT on the Outback?
performs great. will see about durability
Change the fluid every 30,000. I’m gonna flush at 15,000, then switch to amsoil and then just drain and fill every 30,000
Wow, that was very helpful. Thanks Claus--this is exactly the decision I am trying to make right now. Take care...oh, and I love my Ducati! 😎
Terrific video my friend. Informative and easy to understand.
Thanks for the comment!
wow this is exactly the breakdown i was looking for - excellently done my friend
Glad it was helpful!
Good video. The one thing you didn't touch on regarding handling is understeer. I haven't driven the Outback, but I have driven the other two and the Crosstrek has much more neutral handling than the Forester, which understeers surprisingly heavily, particularly on loose surface roads. The Crosstrek is definitely more responsive and fun to drive in that situation. The lack of low down grunt is easily countered by using manual mode for big hills and high torque situations, just drop down a (fake) cog or two to get the revs up. What makes it worse is that the CVT is obviously tuned for economy and doesn't drop down ratios in D as readily as it should. Cheers Rob
Good comment. You are exactly right. The CVT is tuned to get the best MPG rating which they must do to follow laws. Having the ability to use the paddle shifters is a great fix hen you need the power. I would prefer a manual transmission but they don't offer it any more - again to get they MPG rating down...
Thanks for this video! You really helped me solidify my decision!
You're so welcome!
I knew what torque was already, but your explanation of it was rlly good too!!
Thank you!
Have you ever gotten a chance to compare your two cars driving up some mountain highways at speed? I have an OBW but am considering the CTW. However, I don't want to switch if the CTW can't maintain the speed limit (or maybe a bit higher than that) while driving up steep mountain grades. I've gotten some answers from CTW owners that have helped but you're the perfect guy to ask since you have both cars. As for your CTW's shifter knob, I'm pretty sure all CTW's get the plain black one. I don't think it's because you got an early-built unit. Thanks for the video.
The crosstrek does not have the HP or torque of the outback. It will slow down on mountain hills or have to red really high. The outback can maintain speed in cruise control while towing my 2,000 lb trailer. Turbo too! No turbo on Crosstrek.
@@clauskellermanpov3004Thanks for your reply. It sounds like I should stick with my OBW.
Excellent Video, Thank’s!
As others have mentioned, you've put the fundamentals in a really good, easy to digest way and thanks for that. I'm looking at the '24 Crosstrek Wilderness but am worried about the its ability to overtake semi trucks in those long highway drives.
I'm coming from a 2004 Honda Civic so at this point anything is an upgrade haha.
Awesome, thank you! The Outback definately has more passing power but the Crosstrek can do it.
I own a 2017 Crosstrek and recently took a long trip, with no issues on highway or incline roads. Passed plenty vehicles and it easily cruised at 75 to 85 MPH without any concerns.
I have a 2018 Crosstrek Touring. I LOVE that thing. The ONLY thing I do not like about is that the gauges are terrible. The 11 inch touchscreen is way to big and gets in the way. That being said the 2024 Crosstrek has 4.11 gears. Quite a good feature.
Awesome video!
I love your mind your a thinker like me. Keep up the great work
This comp was awesome! thanks!!!
you are welcome!
Great video. You failed to mention fuel economy on either vehicle. I have a '17 Impreza 5dr and had a '20 Ascent with the 2.4L turbo that guzzled gas like no other. The Ascent was rated at 20/26 comb. 22mpg. Best I would get is about 18mpg with near 50/50 split hwy/city. Outback is a bit smaller so slightly better fuel economy but I imagine similar issues.
My 2023 Crosstrek limited has the auto rear dimming mirror. I have the same problem getting to the usb port.
The bike race expressions you did , funny as hell :D
Nice Job Claus have you towed anything with the Crosstrek ?
Very well done Sir, Thanks from Montreal!
Very welcome!
Thanks for the great comparison Claus. Not many people actually own the cars they talk about so they end up giving us fluff and garbage like how many litres of catnip we can carry or whether the colour matches their prom night hair dye. I feel blessed to have a 2024 Outback XT after my 17 year old Impreza finally gave me too much trouble for it's worth last month but to hear your true car-owning insight on the Crosstrek vs the Outback Turbo puts my mind at ease with my purchase. The Outback XT's powertrain feels phenomenal, simply pulling and pulling all the way to 100. That turbo kick is really something to be felt rather than talked about. I also live in Canada so we experience true four seasons and with the Outback's driving dynamics I feel confident with basically whatever the weather Gods decide to throw at us here.
My favorite part was the Ducati Vrooom Vrooom Vrooom! Thanks Claus.
vroom vroom!
Right on! Lmao
Are you able to switch the temperature into imperial? We have a 2019, and the temperature cannot be switched. We live in the US now, so I'm stuck in imperial. Thank you so much for explaining torque, because I never knew exactly what it was.
you re welcome! and yes i can switch units.
Great job, thanks for sharing
Hey Claus thanks for the NO BS Review, as for the black cladding there are two things you can do, get some "Mothers back to black" and polish that plastic up, also some say, but I have not tried this yet but you can take a heat gun to it and the black will come out basically erasing that greyish coloring and will bring it back to looking like new, but ya have to be careful that ya don't melt it, got to put just the right amount of heat into it. I'm sure there are some RUclips videos on it, so be sure to check it out to get that plastic back to looking new. Also part of the reason I was looking at the Jeep Grand Cherokee is that they have redundant buttons for the heater/seats etc...so if that infotainment center ever fails ya got a back up.
Mohers back to black? I will try it!
@@clauskellermanpov3004 Works pretty well on my Jeep Cherokee that has that same plastic I also sometimes use "Car Guys" Premium Plastic Restorer" which I got from I think Amazon, it also works really well. I have seen videos on the heat gun trick but have not really tired that yet. you'll have to reapply the mothers or the Car Guys stuff like every 3 months or so depending if ya park inside or out and how often you go to the car wash, however I usually just do it once a year.👍 P.s. Show Marty in the next video if you still have him!
ceramic coating works as well from what I've heard. I think you need to get the slightly more expensive stuff, not the cheaper spray bottle ones at Canadian Tire.
noo! don't do the heat gun thing, it will just make it worse. It will very temporarily make it black but then very soon it will get even greyer and worst of all it makes the plastic more brittle because it takes out the moisture and oils out of it
@@crimsonlightbinder well I would expect that ya polish it after as well to put the moisture etc back in. I have seen videos of the process but I personally just use the back to black stuff. However nothing we do will be a long term fix sadly. Here is one of the videos I watched: ruclips.net/video/_sEBSxDY-jM/видео.htmlsi=-rnK1uekigvzTgUU
Great video, very well articulated and super informative! Thanks
Glad it was helpful!
Glad I found your channel. New subscriber here. Excellent video
Thanks and welcome
I have a basic 2019 Outback and it has been on many Rockhounding adventures across 5 states. I love it! but dream of trading up for a new Wilderness sometime!👍👍
Our 2023 Forester Touring is our 12th Subaru and we are very happy with it. Looking forward to the new Subaru pickups.
Right on!
GJ - This video really got some torque
Nice vid man!!!
Great video. Thank you so much
Thank you for this video. I wanted a Crosstrek but now I would like to have the Outback. Thank you so much for this information it makes a difference in determining what kind of vehicle I would like to get.
Glad it was helpful!
All I want to know claus which is better at spotting and who has the better ap pen ?
It's all about the gold, so must be the Crosstrek
Great video, I'm thinking of buying a Subaru, currently have a Land Rover so great for torque but terribly slow on a long journey so food for thought 👍
Great video, always thought the Forester was a compromise compared to either model. Also made me feel good about my lifted Xterra Pro-4x. Either Subaru can't touch my approach/departure angle 👌
Loved my Nissan XTerra Pro-4x. Too bad it just got totaled in a 5-car pile up.
Looking at a Subaru or a truck. Those Xterras are like gold now.
Do the Wilderness models have softer suspensions than the other models? Do they ride any differently on the road? I'm wondering if they really are sprung for off-road with softer springs and longer travel.
The ride is very firm but there is more travel in the springs for off roading
Holy moly, I’m subscribing to your channel 😎 I can definitely understand your thinking as there’s a bigger difference between OBW vs Crosstrek Wildness; whereas as much as I dream of having an OBW & Forester Willderness, they’re much closer in size. Geyser Blue is a gorgeous shade of blue. Congratulations 🎉
Thanks for the comment buddy!
The mirror with the compass and garage door buttons is an option on the crosstrek. I have it and i love it. Dont feel too bad though because US crosstreks dont get heated steering wheels
Great explanation!
Thanks, glad you liked it!
I have a 2022 outback wilderness with 40636 miles on her. My cladding is not fades one bit. An alcohol based cleanser will damage the cladding.
Without any mention of the climate and conditions under which the vehicle was stored, parked, and driven, your information is about as useful as "I can cook a steak"
@@anthonyng3014 Midwest driving. And I have a garage because I'm not a peasant. Your response is as usual as your mom.
@@teabag3854 Appropriate since I don't have 2 dads like you
@@anthonyng3014 Take the L ❄️
Love this video. Great explanations.
Glad it was helpful!
Typo in your title - it says "Crosstreck" as of 11/15/23 at 12:52PM PST....
Great choice on a color matched pair though.... that is awesome!
Thanks for that!