They are great fittings, I just bought a whole set myself. But people should be aware these things will DRAIN your air compressor like crazy. they flow 70% more and will drain your tank 70% faster it is pretty crazy. But hopefully because of the flow you will complete your job much faster.
Yea, they are amazing fittings, but you are right. They will drain your compressor tank super fast. I have an 80 gallon compressor so I don't really even think about it.
I discovered these about 2 months ago and they leave you shaking your head asking yourself how you put up with the m style for so long. When you change everything from the compressor to the tool to these v style high flow fittings and couplers, they will put a smile on your face for sure.
You are right. They are the best air fittings made. I changed everything over to them and tell all my friends about them. Once you make the switch you won't go back.
I ordered an impact wrench on the way as I write this before I watched several videos of owners of same model complaining about the lack of its performance. So, was preparing myself to simply return and buy a more expensive wrench. That is until I watch this video and read all the comments from others. Change of plans, I just ordered the V style fittings and look forward to keeping the wrench that's coming. Thanks to all of you!
I used ruclips.net/user/postUgkx4ynqaujg7rZKFapA8s29kTpRszJGa3-K this for the first time today to replace the front wheel bearing on my rwd 98 dodge dakota. This had absolutely no issue removing or reinstalling the lug nuts and it took off the axle nut without any struggle. Sounds like it's got some muscle to it. Time will tell
Milton Coupler lasted less than 1 day hooked to my air impact, steel fitting had ball dents as well . I replaced with real 3/8" coupler, i have no idea of brand but not a problem since. I have also ordered a 3/8 and 1/4 stainless steel pressure washer couplers as experiment for use at ocean. Cheap at about 12.00 for complete coupler, 5000 psi, better seals and should let me use washer pressure guns as straight air guns as well, just not the air hoses as water hoses or would burst.
I have no clue why yours failed? They work great for me. The only thing that beats up air fittings for me is an air hammer. It puts little metal dents in every air fitting I've tried from all the vibration.
Yes it was an air hammer , my 3/8 coupler is steel as well and more balls. I can see where a good idea for air hammers would be to use a short whip hose before the coupler fitting on any 1/4" couplers.
In my nearly 50 years of dealing with air tools, hoses, and fittings, unless you have gone to a significantly larger regulator the largest source of restricted air flow on most air systems will be the regulator itself.
@@MattsShop 10-4, and you might have explained all of that in one of the earlier videos you referenced during this one. My guess is that most of us are running 3/8" regulators which have an anemic flow rate to start with which would be reduced by the M fittings, but not as dramatically as in your situation. Thank you for clarifying.
@@MattsShop Your regulator may flow 100 cfm. at max setting. But unless it is a regulator that works by unloading your compressor heads at set psi, not found on electric compressor it regulates the air by restricting the flow. Put a cfm meter on it and test air out put at 90 or 120 psi. Any good 3/4 regulator should pass around 150 cfm at maximum out put pressure. But some of them are lucky to get 25 cfm at 100 psi out put. Heck i got one cheap 3/4 regulator laying around that can not even supply 25 cfm at 90 psi. But unless you are working on big machines you would never know it. And working on heavy equipment you would be running 175 psi any way.
I'm super glad I found this video! My impact wrench never worked very good.. I have a huge compressor and never put any thought into the fittings. I did this switch today and WHAT A DIFFERENCE! Thank you for this video!
I am glad you found this video and it helped you out too. This info is helping a lot of people get their air tools running right. Don't forget to share this with anyone you know that has air tools and needs this info!
I run my compressor at 150 psi I run a 3/4 inch hose to my 1/2, 3/4 and 1 inch gun. My fittings are 1/2 inch id. For all my die grinders and smaller impacts I run a regulator down to 100 psi. Before I upgraded to the 3/4 inch hose I couldn’t remove 1 wheel on my semi with out having to wait on my compressor to catch up. The 3/8 inch hose was robbing so much power. My compressor is a water cooled 4 cylinder rated at 35 cfm @175 psi. I am running it at 1/3 rated speed at this speed it still makes 35 psi oil pressure.
You have a serious compressor! Isn't it a pain to lug that heavy 3/4" hose around on the small air tools? I mean a 3/4" hose is like as big as a garden hose lol. I don't see the point of having such a big and bulky hose and fittings on a 1/2" impact and a die grinder. Why not just have a dedicated large hose for the big boy 3/4" and 1" impacts and use a 3/8" hose for the 1/2" impact, air ratchet, and die grinders? That's what I do.
Dude thank you so much for showing me the light. I have been living a lie my whole career as a diesel mechanic using t style. I dont know how i could ever repay you. God bless you
Good information. I've been looking for someone to break some of this down and explain a little better. I'm in the process of re-fitting my air system, because when I initially installed everything I didn't understand the amount of air pressure I was losing. I would have my 60 gallon compressor maxed out at 150 psi to run a spray gun that only required 80 psi. I didn't realize at the time that I was actually losing almost half of my air pressure over the distance of the system. The whole system actually comes out of the tank to a 1/4 regulator and creates a MASSIVE bottle-neck. Lol Kind of funny looking back now, I've never cared for air tools because they were always under powered and sloppy... turns out I have been running them at half their recommended pressure!!!
I appreciate it. Yea, this stuff is not complicated. A lot of people just don't know how these things work. Glad I helped you figure out your problem. Yea, the 1/4" low flow fittings are pretty much for nail guns and tire fillers lol.
Brother Forge- It's not so much a pressure issue as it is volume (CFM). See my long-winded post above (sorry). Air tools need both the correct CFM and pressure supplied to them. Without both they will still work, but they are underperforming. I am seeing this now with a Devilbiss HVLP spray gun I just purchased. It requires only 23psi but 13CFM. My filter and regulator has 1/2" ports, 1/2" pipework, and 3/8" hose with 1/4" NPT end fittings. I switched to Milton V high flow connectors and couplings and still no help. My CFM restriction is in the end fittings of the 3/8" hose. I'll change to a 1/2" hose and I am certain it will solve my problem. Hope this helps before you go buying new parts.
Agree bro. I got the 3/8 Truflate/Automotive style with 1/2 hose. Another key is not to run the hose off the pressure regulator on the 30 gallon or smaller compressor. So the air has a straight shot through 1/2 fittings and hose all the way to the gun. The pressure measured shall be 90 PSI with the gun running. My IR impact has no problem with Honda crank bolt. I broke a few head off the bolts on frozen chassis components.
@@TURBOSHANE101 Excellent! You just made the point I have been screaming about. 1st- CFM (air flow or volume) is the issue, not pressure. Most decent compressors will put out the required pressure to run the tool (usually 90psi) but then they also have to get the air volume to the tool. And when it comes to CFM , the most volume that can flow will be contingent on the smallest orifice size in the system. A restriction at any point in the system will reduce the CFM to the tool. So 2nd, every 3/8" hose with 1/4" NPT end fittings that I have examined has a restriction in the end fittings. Look down inside, you will see a reduced inner diameter (ID) that is considerable less than the 3/8" hose ID. So if you're trying to increase air flow to your tool simply using only high flow 1/4" NPT fittings like the Milton V type is useless. You haven't resolved the restriction in the end fittings. And hose length is also a factor but thats another story. So to increase CFM to your CFM starved impact gun you did exactly what needs to be done. You switched from 3/8" hose and connectors to 1/2" hose and connectors. Your impact gun is now getting the air volume it needs to provide its full rated torque, and you clearly felt the difference.
The ideal way of demonstrating your point would be to place a gauge in line right at the tool then observe the pressure level as the tool is continuously running. With the understanding that the working pressure is what determins the torque behind each increment of rotation and the cfm the ability to maintain that pressure as the rotation continues. Seeing the gauge readings with standard vs. high flow would would emphasize your point well.
No, a gauge would not demonstrate my point at all. We are talking about flow "CFM" not pressure "PSI". You can have 100 PSI through a straw or 100 PSI through a 12" pipe. Which one is going to run your tool better? The 12" pipe will because it can flow more air through the tool than it could possibly use.
@@MattsShop it is a combination of both, that is why you would read the gauge while running the impact wrench. A leaf blower can produce 500 cfm but do you think it could drive an impact wrench through any size of feed line ? Ofcourse not because it lacks the needed pressure. A hand pumpl sold to inflate bicycle tires can produce 100+ psi but lacks the CFM to run the same tool. If a tool states it needs 5 CFM at 90 psi then it is saying at running speed, it will consume 5 CFM of air at full opperational speed. At that flow rate, it needs the pressure of that air flow to be 90 psi to provide its optimal torque. There are many videos to be found on RUclips testing / comparing connectors / supply lines where a gauge is placed at the tool to show why the lack of CFM is not being supplied as fast as the tool wants to consume, resulting in a significant drop of pressure, indicated by the gauge. It enforces the point of your video regarding bottle necks in lines / connectors effecting tool performance. Search "Supercharge your compressor" and a video by GTair will demonstrate. Towards the end they use such a gauge to demonstrate the effects of smaller or larger hoses causing airflow restriction . Same effect as connectors with smaller openings do as your video subject
I've never had any such issues with my 1/2" impact or any other pneumatic tools using the Industrial fittings (M style in some brands and D style in other brands, which is why I prefer to use the proper name of the different fittings, i.e. Industrial, Automotive, ARO and Lincoln) and I only have a small portable compressor which tops out at 120 PSI. But I only use non-slave-labor fittings. I suspect your problem was the female fittings which you said you got from Horrible Freight, which would have been made by slaves in china and probably had a terribly restrictive design. As you pointed out, the Industrial fittings flow almost twice as much air as that tool needs (as long as you use non-slave-labor fittings).
Had universal KAR, since day one, and THEY NEVER LEAKED! Were, interchangeable with all but the supper long. But wimpy. Tandem compressor's set at 150! But WOW! Thanks for training an old man the deal! Can't what to upgrade my 8400 s/f shop ,Yesterday! Ashamed I was stupid for decades, but not anymore, You', the man! Most, clear and articulate!!!! Thank you sooo much, I'm so glad I subscribed, Please keep them coming!, Lee, FL
Milton makes the best air fittings. Upgraded my small pancake compressor to Milton V fittings from the regulator to the tool and it made a huge difference. This was a very helpful video Thank you
They used to sell these Hi-Flo fittings at Harbor freight for dirt cheap. (the new ones are as you say, garbage and not backwards compatible) I only would buy the male fittings from them but spend some extra and get a quality Milton female.
You should’ve picked the package up so that I can see the part number I’m a little blind it’s hard to see that part number I’m sure it’s 217 but what’s the ladder in front of it I can’t see that I’m blind but I’ve got these fittings and they do make a lot of difference
The shop has 175 psi and with a thunder gun no need for high flow. And T types don't start leaking after a couple months. Im in heavy equipment and use large size sockets and need lots of torque
Your sit up will work fine used it for years . Air pressure controls air flow more pressure will flow more air in smaller hose. You can tell if hose size is to small by hose getting hot. The older CP 3/4 wrenches used 1/4 thread on the fitting. Newer wrenches 3/4 uses 3/8 fittings and 1/2 hose. On 1 inch i use 10ft 1/2 hose screwed in gun then to 3/4 hose with Chicago style fittings. Working on equipment you need 175 psi as IR recommends on there 3/4 and 1 inch impacts.
@@earleclemans4836 I got 3/4 and 1 inch. I also run 175 psi 1/2 hose on my IR 261. I often run 10ft 1/2 hose connected to my 3/4 hose coming from my 160 cfm diesel compressor. It has a regulator use adj on compressor that un loads the heads. I turn it down to 175 on my wrenches but i have for got to turn it down and ran over 200psi and did not damage my wrenches.I always screw short hose into gun then couple into air line. You should never screw coupler into your gun. It makes it harder to use and gets in the way. Heck at 3ft even 3/8 hose can run a sand blaster or 1 inch impact. As long as it is supplied by a bigger hose. But IR limits 3/8 hose to 25 ft even on 1/2 impact. 3/4 hose can run 200ft at no pressure loss on 1 inch impact. IR and CP wrenches can be complete rebuild and perform like new for less money than home owners pay for them junk throw away china built wrenches. New air vanes for your 261 IR cost around 14 dollars. And will make it perform like new.
I just replaced all my qtr inch fittings with 3/8th, got the kits from Lowe’s. Man o man.... what a difference. I changed by IR thundergun from a already beast to a fire breathing Monster 👍🏼
Im a ASE CERT MASTER TECH for many years, thruthfully speaking it doesn't really matter that much about the fitting, , the 2 things that make your airtool perform better is the hose inside diameter and the pressure u run it at! These fitting might show a minute change in performance! But you have to retool all your tools with this new fitting which can be costly, and also its not a STANDARD industry fitting! the 3/8 -1/4 npt is standard for up to a 1/2 drive impact gun, anything over that ull need a 1/2- insde diameter hose! eg. 3/4 inch drive to 1 inch drive impact! Also sometime's u may have to borrow or lend a tool to colleage which wouldnt work with your fitting! So keep it simple stupid and stick with the STANDARD sizes! This is why WINDOWS is the number one platform in the computer industry and ANDROID controls the cellular world !....
This fitting is worth changing out everything in the shop. If they want to borrow a tool just swap out the fitting with a regular "M style" fitting. The female coupler is backwards compatible with "M style" fittings. Meaning the female plug coupler will accept both types. If you change it out both types will plug in. You can't plug this "V type" into a regular "M style" female coupler though.
I would have liked a torque wrench showing how much torque was on the nut before you took the nut back off, but the different in the sound was convincing enough.
Ingersoll Rand web site states 3/8 air line up to 25ft over 25ft 1/2 but truth is few home owners own a compressor that can produce more air than a 1/4 fitting can carry. Fittings are rated as orifice. And carry over 50cfm at 100psi. Small hose size restricts you much more than fittings. Hook a 1/4 fitting to your compressor no tool hooked up. It will flow more air than a 5hp 2 stage compressor can supply.But use 100ft 3/8 air line and the pressure drop is large. My diesel compressor can run 2 jack hammers at once.160 cfm 3/4 air line 150 ft long. but with 3/8 air line the 150 psi input pressure will drop below 90 on my impact wrench or sand blaster. With 1/2 hose up to a hundred ft is fine. Over 100ft i use 3/4 100t and 1/2 hose 25ft long plugged into it. Any way 25 ft is max length for 3/8 air line on 1/2 impact wrench to get air flow needed with or with out fittings.
What a trip , I've got the same IR 2235TIMax and was having issues with air flow , due to a long hose . Then switched all my couplers females and males ...MAN what a difference , in everything ......I'm trying to convince my pops to switch, Hes fkn stubborn as a mule...When he sees it in action hell switch....lol peace.
YES! Please convince everybody they need these air fittings! I've been telling everyone I can about them. They make a no gimmick night and day difference!
V style on that air gun after you do some modifications = awesome. I had to modify the on off button to flow more air, then just remove the tip. My air guns now have recoil!
Just one question...are you getting 90 psi at the tool itself. Sounds like you need to turn the air pressure up. I do agree higher flow fittings help but a lot of people set their regulator to 90 and are probably only getting 75-80 psi to their tool
Good question. Yes, I made a testing adapter with the most accurate PSI guage I own. I tested it at the tools and I am getting 90 PSI at my tools. Yea a lot of guys do not turn up their regulators high enough. Mine is set above 90 PSI like 100-110 I can't remember off of the top of my head.
@@MattsShop I work in a semi tuck shop and our air compressor is upwards of 150ish psi and a guy 2 guys i work with use that exact impact to take off semi truck lug nuts they they torque to 450-500 ft lbs. I have a cornwell 1/2 impact that is basically the same thing as this, ingersoll rand makes it and it takes them off no problem. i used my impact at home and was surprised by the difference, never thought my shops air was at such a higher psi.
I know, It restricts the flow too, but it's worth it to not destroy hoses at the fitting. I've been trying to find some kind of high flow fitting that will work with this.
I will let you know in a few. Been trying to get a main shaft pulley bolt off my engine on a 2000 Ford Taurus with my nitro cat 3/8" dr gun won't budge. I changed out the fittings and will be back.
Time to upgrade to an impact socket set for your safety if you intend to use the power of that wrench. I use the first fittings and allow my pressure to go up to 125 psi and use 100 feet of 3/8 hose and my older 500 ft/lb wrench could kick butt on your "before" setup. That swivel is choking your system and needs an upgrade because sound wise your "after" is about equal to my before. PS; Good video. I may consider an upgrade since it is backwards compatible. I already have a high flow female coupler for the M style to minimize freeze up in winter, but the regular one works just as well to resist freezing. These may be helpful to seat beads and inflate tractor tires.
I just got a good air compressor with some tools, I used all G connectors on a 1/2 inch hose. No air flow problems, my Air cat sounds like your IR after you added the V connector. I did make up a couple of 3/8 hoses with G to 1/4 industrial for nail guns and stuff like you were saying for low flow. It seems like all air tool manufacturers list their tools at 25% duty cycle average. So if your 20 gallon 120V sanborn compressor builds air with a 1/2 inch impact wide open, you are severely underflowing your tools. I got a Puma 2 stage 5HP 40 Gallon tank compressor for my home game setup and I am happy with it, could be better but for a 2 stage you can pay a lot more.
Thank you for improving the power of the air pistol and change to the Style V and improve the power level and find another type the same performance of the Style G Thank you I wish you success.
Hey Matt. Is there a difference between brass and steel couplers? I'm using my compressor mostly in the garage with a little stapler, filling tires and blowing dust of circuit boards. The brass is almost double the price and I can't see the benefit.
Steel air fittings are the strongest, cheapest, and most common. Brass air fittings seal better (so they say), are weaker, don't rust, and are more expensive. So it just depends on your application. For example, if you were using them underwater or for an application that you would put water through the fitting, then you'd want brass. I'd use steel air fittings. That's what I use!
Went to Harbor Freight today and picked up a Merlin 5 pc set of steel couplers. Cost me less than $4 with a coupon. Totally stoked. Will record a video on how they're working out after a few months of use. Cheers brother
So you are one of those guys who get their jollies by revving up their air tools. I prefer the Milton anodized purple "V" fittings. They have them in kit form at Amazon.
Don't use couplers at the other end. It's a waste of flow. Plumb it directly into the compressor. Unless you have a portable compressor, then change all of the couplers.
I have a 3/4 Impact gun which needs a 3/8 fitting I used a reducer 3/8-1/4 with a 1/4-1/4 fitting and flow is weak gun sounds like its dying. My Husky Model # C303H 30gal air compressor has 1/4 connectors/connections everywhere and the regulator doesn't drop under 90psi w load. How can I get it to work properly?
3/4" impacts really need 1/2" air hose and 1/2" quick connect fittings. It's a 3/4" right? Not 3/8"? Sooo 1/2" connectors from the tank to the impact. They are expensive I know, but it's worth it. You'll see. The 3/8" hose and 1/4" fittings will never flow enough air for it to work right.
@@MattsShop The impact gun I'm using is from Harbor Freight Central Pneumatic Item # 66984. 3/4 in. Heavy Duty Air Impact Wrench. I plan on getting a 1/2" Hose.
@@MattsShop A 1/2" Hose was unavailable at Harbor Freight so I got a high flow automotive fitting kit and a 3/8 to 3/8 NPT adapter to connect to my air compressor and impact guns. Also brought the 3/8 blk 50ft hose and it made a huge difference my 1/2 impact took out my lugnuts with ease they were stuck by a shop and my HF 3/4 Impact wasn't even necessary but I'm keeping it anyway but its reverse tq is rated at 1000 when my 1/2 is 1300 makes no sense to keep it unless it's really better.
@@MattsShop Thanks! I just got an air ratchet to work with a little 6-gallon pancake compressor for my home garage. Want to get the best performance out of it.
@@SiteReader That pancake unit will be charging the whole time - not a lot of reserve for those types of tools. I have a 60gal which runs down fast enough as it is.
@@MattsShop My electric 3/4" Milwaukee impact will out perform your air impact any day, I work on rail cars and trains all the time. And a single battery will last me 6 hours of almost constant use, my impact came with 2 batteries, so i never have to worry about it dying on my when im on top of a rail car breaking off 2-4 inch nuts that are torqued down to 230flbs... id like to see your air impact break something like that, it won't, i know because we also use air impacts, my battery one is far more powerful. So you claim that battery power tools suck, seems to me you're just being ignorant.
I was having trouble remove the fitting for my impact with the wrenches I had available, so I put a deep socket on the fitting and a adjustable wrench on the gun, came off like butter
Yep, I just purchased the NitroCat 1/2" 1056XL for a good price on Amazon. The minute it came in I put fittings on it and tried it out. Well, it really struggled to remove lug nuts on my 1997 Jeep Cherokee Sport. I jacked up the air and it did better, but still slow. So, I checked into RUclips University and found your video. All my fittings are the small ones for operating my little trim nail guns and staplers, the hose is 1/4" and very light weight. I just ordered the Milton kit you recommended, a short whip with a 3/8" swivel and a new 3/8" x 25' Air hose. Because your video made sense. I'll let you know how it worked out. Cheers.
No that's not true at all. The only problem I had was my air hammer put ball bearing dimples on the fitting from all of the vibration at the coupler. The coupler got stuck on, but It was my fault. I was misusing the air hammer.
whats the inner diameter of these fittings? i wanna compare to mine. also what fittings do you have on your compressor? dont you have to swap them too?
I've found that the ball type flows appreciably better than any "Z" type swivel, but unless the internal diameter of the ball is equal to the ID of the connector, there will be some restriction.
I've been running these for a couple years now. Only thing I don't like is that they're getting kind of difficult to put together. The M style are easy to fit in the female V's, but the male V types take a lot more effort than they used to when new.
Yea, I have noticed that. It takes some effort to pull them apart once they are coupled under pressure. Still worth every penny for the performance gains.
I don't use quck disconnect fittings on the other end. It cuts down on flow. It's best to just use pipe fittings at the compressor end and make it more perminant if you can.
Your Champion 5hp 80 Gallon Compressor only does 17.2 max CFM at 175psi... Maybe 18.5-19cfm at 100psi? You didn't show us your Pressure regulator settings either during the making of this video. Why would these fittings make that much of a difference? Unless it's not about CFM and it's really about PSI or something?
Yes, you are right on the CFM numbers of my compressor. I have A 3/4" hose to a 3/4" pressure regulator. These fittings help reduce airflow bottlenecks by increasing the CFM flow.
@@MattsShop Correct but if the CFM rating for the small fittings is almost 2.5 times that of the rating of the compressor, the fitting cant be the bottleneck... Seems awfully fishy...
@@MattsShopI have DeWalt 225 PSI 4.5G 5.2 SCFM Compressor, Ingersoll Rand websites says 2236QTiMax Impact Wrench requires 36 CFM. How is it possible, every website on the planet says typical 1/2 Air Impact Wrench requires 4-5 CFM @90 PSI. My 2236 has no torque when running on forward gear, much better torque on reverse….
I know its 2 years old.. but damn that yamadoggie ttr needs some tending to on the drum break adjustment and hell maybe throw a pair pads at it too while ur at it? 😆 good vid tho bud pretty thorough
Hey MATT! THANX for your excellent video. But you asked us about the "Before anf After" difference and our own results didn't you? SOOO, here we go: Last year I bought my very first impact gun for working on my cars. I bought it at a local EXPO, attracted by its very small size, very attractive because of the cramped insides of present day automobile engine compartments. It is a very compact gun made by Mighty-7, model NC-4610, a gun that can go into smaller spaces than most main brands like Ingersoll-Rand, Atlas Copco etc. Let me tell you that these smaller but powerful (400-600 Ft-lb torque) compact impact tools NEED even MORE airflow than the standard guns like your Ingersoll-Rand. How can that be?, Well, as an engineer, I just had to investigate the reason. I saw the Mighty-7 demo at the EXPO, and it was amazing... BUT the first time I pretended to use it at home, I suffered an amazingly DISAPPOINTING Failure, as I wasn't able to even remove the wheel nuts of my wife's car, that were only tightened to a low 85 Ft-Lb! I took the Impact gun to the vendor, and they tested it, returning it to me as "perfectly OK"...After studying deeper and deeper into the subject (that many people wrongly take for granted), it is due to the compact's gun having a higher INSTANTANEOUS AIR FLOW CONSUMPTION. It is better explained by understanding that an air motor is not like a turbine (more or less constant air flow), but more like a reciprocating pump. In Reciprocating pumps, you need to have a HIGHER available pressure at the inlet in order to avoid the cavitation of the pump. That is because at every pump piston stroke, the fluid MUST be accelerated through the inlet passages of the pump, in order to "fill" the piston cavity or cylinder. Otherwise, it will fail to fill completely, exactly like when you try to QUICKLY fill a syringe with water from a glass through a slender hypodermic needle: if you pull the syringe plunger too fast, the water won't be able to fill it completely (at least initially).That fluid acceleration is needed because the fluid is not moving at first, but as soon as the pump piston tries to pull the fluid, it needs to get quickly moving. Exactly the same happens in an impact gun: Every time the air motor (a vane type air motor) starts to turn, it demands a VERY HIGH instantaneous air flow, because the cavity formed by the vanes passing in front of the inlet port demand a very high instant flow (the cavity is ALMOST empty because when the vanes turn, the cavity emties to the atmosphere, through a very low restriction muffler, so that in the next cycle, that cavity is almost at atmospheric pressure, but before the vanes turn, actuallly there is a very low flow. This means that the really important flow is not the average, but the Maximum Instantaneous flow. Thus, as you correcly said in your video, the manufacturer of the air tool only gives the MEAN or AVERAGE air consumption because he is NOT able to measure instant airflows, so they resort to only measure average consumption after several seconds (or even minutes) of the tool operation. While continuous or average air consumption determines if the compressor will support the tool's demand for air, it is the hose (and anything) between the tank and the tool which determines or limits the instantaneous air flow. That means that hose internal diameter, its lenght and the pressuredrop of any fitting betweenthe tank and the tool are the most important things. For example; the popular swivel-type fittings that allow great movement of the tool, typically causes too much pressure drop. Same thing for any pressure regulator after the tank... small 1/4" size regulators have por pressure drops at high instantaneous flows.The difference between the performance of the impact tool in the DEMO at the EXPO, and the same tool at my home was NOT the size of the compressor, but much more importantly, the size of the HOSE (inside Diameter AND lenght). At the EXPO, the impact gun was demonstrated with a MUCH LARGER 1/2" hose and only about 8 ft long (the size of the vendor's stand!), while at my home I was stubbornly trying to use their brand of Retractable Reel, which stoopidly enough, comes with about 50 Ft of NON-Standard 8X12 mm polyurethane hose, a beautiful blue color but USELESS air hose, at least for high consumption tools like the Impact gun or the air hammer! That damn Taiwanese air hose is NOT the assumed "3/8" standard air hose, but a non British, metric one, and while externally it LOOKS like a Std. 3/8" hose it is WAY narrower inside, at only 8 mm (that's about 70% area of the 3/8" hose). That, coupled to the longer 50 ft lenght inside the reel, made my new impact tool so weak that I was unable to remove the wheel nuts, even when the Torque chart that they deliver for this exact impact gun model, reaches a peak of almost 660 Ft-Lb after a full blast during 8 seconds.After being puzzled by the manufacturer data and my initial results, I started to learn exactly how the tool uses the air pressure, and how important is to be able to achieve the demanded Max Instantaneous Airflow that these small but hungry air tools demand in order to deliver their torque. Next, I replaced the hose reel with a shorter, 12 ft lenght of 1/2" internal diameter air hose, and VOILÁ, the little impact gun instantly removed the same wheel nuts... but failed to remove some stubborn larger nuts and bolts used in the suspension of the same car... again filing to show the advertised high torque of more than 600 Ft-Lb.Lastly, Thanks to your excellent video and info, I gathered the last piece of information: the coupler and its fitting. By removing my DeWalt's air compresor standard coupler and screwing the hose directly to the compressor tank, and using the 1/2" hose directly attached to the Mighty-7 model 4610 NC compact impact tool, I was completely amused to verify that now the tool is able to remove the tightest, largest suspension bolts with easy. Another thing that the people from the vendor told me was that all impact air tools NEED some "Break-In" or "Run-In" in order to properly "seat" the edge of the vanes to the cylinder or housing wall, otherwise those won't seal and slide as well as after some use. They recommend to put oil more frequently into a Brand new tool, and it shows because the air outlet will spew out a darker than usual oily exhaust during that break-in period, that you can see with a naked eye.Again thanks for your useful and helpful video, I'm ready to search for my Milton high flow fittings first time tomorrow's morning! P.D.: As soon as I looked at the large difference in size of the two fittings in your video, starting around 2:05, I remembered about another tool that came with the same style larger inside diameter fitting: a tool made by German company "BGS", that is intended to bleed the brakes of a car using compressed air. That tool uses a kind of ventury to produce a vacuum to pull the Brake Fluid out of the wheel calipers. Well, I wanted to do that task some days ago, but found that the fitting that the pistol-like handle came with, is almost exactly like the Milton ones, and that my air hose coupling did not accept that slightly larger fitting. So, here your video is DOUBLY USEFUL, because now I positively know that the Milton ones are not only better flowing but also back-compatible, so I will be able to use the older narrower fittings for the tire inflator, and the blow gun, or the small ("detail") painting guns, and the high flow ones for the impact gun and the pneumatic hammer ( as well as my new brake bleeder, that already came with the larger fitting). Best wishes.
Bro - you nailed it. What an outstanding presentation. Love your style and flow! I just ordered the V's off Amazon and was only half way thru your vid at the time. Well done mate. Milton should reach out to you with gratitude. Sooo good. Thank you. Be well.
@@MattsShop Matt's Shop I have heard both ways. But I would say that my 2131 has no problem taking off lugs even at the end of 100' 3/8 hose. The only time mine let out air and would not turn, 5:57, is if the direction button was not pushed in all the way. It's also interesting that having one restriction versus two has any difference at all. They look like they were the same size restriction. Idk, good video for those that liked it. I'm in the middle personally. Take care.
this is the video I needed to see. I tried to use a ingersol rand 131 wrench with my compressor, but its the crappy 6mm hose. looking to get the 3/8 hose and euro fittings.. this was awesome
good info. for me thank you, I have a machine shop and use a lot of air details are important. This is way off the subject but might throw it in while we're sharing idea's, I never use teflon tape, my theory is that threads cut it and roll it out of the way even if applied properly. liquid thread sealant almost any type is better in my opinion. I also use a lot of coolant plumbing and other applications with sealing threads.
Not really arguing, but I’ve got the same gun with 3/8” hose and Milton 1/4” M style fittings. It would’ve taken that nut off just as fast, guaranteed.
It's not just how fast it takes it off that matters. It was just for demonstration. Anything would have taken this nut off. It really wakes up your air tools when you actually need the power.
seems very underpowered with the stock fitting - my IR231 is very happy running @ 120PSI also and with a stock fitting it would rip my hand to shreds trying to hold the socket/anvil like that. Those hiflow fittings are great though and I do run a 1/2" hose...
Well guess what I got the three eights coupler from Amazon and I checked the inside diameter against my quarter inch couplers the inside diameter were exactly the same which means the airflow is the same this is crap telling people to upgrade to three eights -1/4
If you are talking about the Milton V fittings the 1/4" and 3/8" is just the NPT thread size on the end of the fitting. It is not a bigger fitting like most other companies name their fittings 1/4", 3/8", 1/2" etc. I confirmed the flow is the same on their website. You just have to get which one you need to fit your tool. If you buy them from the links in the description it helps the channel out!
@@MrMustang1973 The flow ratings are given in their catalog if you download it from their site but to save you some time the V type (1/4 high flows) show as 74CFM and the P type (3/8") show as 68 cfm There really isn't a 3/8 high flow design, they're all high flow due to dimensions. Interesting that the 1/4 High flows actually pass more air than the 3/8, not by much but some. By way of comparison a standard 1/4" I/M or T type flow rates are ~40 CFM. The 1/4 HFs will have 6 ball bearings, and the 3/8 will have 8, so more than flow, the difference appears to be ruggedness.
HOT ROD HOSES, cant belive the difference. It does make sense tho. To many times I tried to pull axle nuts with high torque guns and nothing. seems to me now that it was an air out put issue and not the gun or compressor. I will swap out for this in the near future, thanks for the info 👍
So does this mean compressor manufacturers, and air tool manufacturers are designing, and outfitting their products improperly? Do you think the tool designers from the different companies would also be surprised and impressed if they saw this video? My guess is probably not, for any that are experts anyway. So why might companies be outfitting tools, hoses, fittings with what appears to be inner diameters that are too small? What could the reason/s be for this?
Simple answer = cheap. The standard fittings are "good enough" to get the job done. They are cheap and everywhere. They are not going to take the time to reeducate everyone that there are better fittings out there. These things work. Some manufacturers don't even include air fittings in the box with the new air tool because they know people like to run their own setups. It's like anything else. Aftermarket stuff can increase performance sometimes.
It is because the engineers at the factory know the orifice rating verses air hose ratings. And a 1/4 inch orifice will flow more air than any home owners compressor could ever put out. Look at the size hole in your pop off valve. Hose is rated at 100ft at 100 psi. My 160 cfm diesel compressor will only hold 100psi on a 1/4 pipe. It will hold 200 psi with pipe turned off. Hose is rated not to exceed a certain mph speed in the hose because hose will over heat do to friction. So looking at fittings and pipe up to one ft. look up orifice rating.
just a comment on an unrelated topic - I was always told by our tool room where I worked that you never used teflon tape on air tools because of the danger of the tape shreds getting up into the air tools and jamming them up
That's basically 3/8 fitting, I went industrial 1/2 fittings which are the best but the only problem I had was fitting them up to my tools which required a 1/2-1/4 adapter in order to thread them on to my tools. I am currently looking for a bottom nut replacement for my tool to accept 1/2 fittings naturally without any stupid 1/4 adapter.
Yes! If you have a large stationary compressor you can plumb the air line directly into the compressor with a high flow connector. If you have a smaller compressor just replace every connector with high flow ones.
Yes! If you have a large stationary compressor you can plumb the air line directly into the compressor with a high flow connector. If you have a smaller compressor just replace every connector with high flow ones.
Great video, i have the same problem, just bought brand new Ingersoll Rand 2236QTiMax, it works OK on reverse gear but forward gear absolutely no power, just like you i can hold the socket in my hands and it is not spinning. Question: Do I need only the Milton 1/4" High Flow Connector or shorter hose or both. Currently I have 3/8 50FT hose. Will it work or i also need to get shorted hose (e.g. 25FT 3/8) Here is my setup: Huskey 50FT 3/8 Hose with 1/4 in IM air fittings DeWalt 5.2 CFM 225PSI 5 Gallon Hose connected directly to the compressor quick-connect fitting not the reel. Also, not sure if the Milton high flow fitting will fit my quick-connect fitting on my compressor. @@MattsShop
Thanks for the info Matt, I have been using the harbor freight fittings and husky for years and have been frustrated from day one. They always leak. I just ordered the kit. Thanks for the info again, Al from Maryland
I'm not sure what you mean. These fittings are primarily used for automotive tools. If you had an industrial application that could utilize the high CFM flow of these fittings I suppose you could use them.
Matt's Shop , I just got my first air compressor (used). Reading about air hoses, it is said that 3/8” hoses are recommended for automotive tools while 1/4” are more for construction/industrial use. Is that true? Thanks.
Oh, yea 3/8" hoses and up for automotive use. The 1/4" air hose is pretty much useless for anything other than a nail gun. Industrial uses are like assembly lines where they have automated machines assembling stuff.
@@MattsShop 2 different style id by the way coupler seals. Third style is Chicago style. Free flowing rubber seal 1/4 turn to lock together and clip to keep locked. Both automotive and industry style fittings have same cfm rating.
I've tried them (the ones that look like a "Z"... Believe me, those are even worse that the ball type... MUCH worse. Remember that all abrupt changes in direction, cause a certain pressure drop at flow. the ones that look like a Z letter have several abrupt 90 degree direction changes, plus the internal orífices are very small and resptrictive (disassemble one and look), they can be opened by removing the ring key.
They are great fittings, I just bought a whole set myself. But people should be aware these things will DRAIN your air compressor like crazy. they flow 70% more and will drain your tank 70% faster it is pretty crazy. But hopefully because of the flow you will complete your job much faster.
Yea, they are amazing fittings, but you are right. They will drain your compressor tank super fast. I have an 80 gallon compressor so I don't really even think about it.
I discovered these about 2 months ago and they leave you shaking your head asking yourself how you put up with the m style for so long. When you change everything from the compressor to the tool to these v style high flow fittings and couplers, they will put a smile on your face for sure.
You are right. They are the best air fittings made. I changed everything over to them and tell all my friends about them. Once you make the switch you won't go back.
I ordered an impact wrench on the way as I write this before I watched several videos of owners of same model complaining about the lack of its performance. So, was preparing myself to simply return and buy a more expensive wrench. That is until I watch this video and read all the comments from others. Change of plans, I just ordered the V style fittings and look forward to keeping the wrench that's coming. Thanks to all of you!
I run these air fittings on everything except brad nailers. They are the ticket for sure!
I used ruclips.net/user/postUgkx4ynqaujg7rZKFapA8s29kTpRszJGa3-K this for the first time today to replace the front wheel bearing on my rwd 98 dodge dakota. This had absolutely no issue removing or reinstalling the lug nuts and it took off the axle nut without any struggle. Sounds like it's got some muscle to it. Time will tell
Milton Coupler lasted less than 1 day hooked to my air impact, steel fitting had ball dents as well . I replaced with real 3/8" coupler, i have no idea of brand but not a problem since. I have also ordered a 3/8 and 1/4 stainless steel pressure washer couplers as experiment for use at ocean. Cheap at about 12.00 for complete coupler, 5000 psi, better seals and should let me use washer pressure guns as straight air guns as well, just not the air hoses as water hoses or would burst.
I have no clue why yours failed? They work great for me. The only thing that beats up air fittings for me is an air hammer. It puts little metal dents in every air fitting I've tried from all the vibration.
Yes it was an air hammer , my 3/8 coupler is steel as well and more balls.
I can see where a good idea for air hammers would be to use a short whip hose before the coupler fitting on any 1/4" couplers.
In my nearly 50 years of dealing with air tools, hoses, and fittings, unless you have gone to a significantly larger regulator the largest source of restricted air flow on most air systems will be the regulator itself.
Yea, you are right. I have a 3/4" regulator that can flow like 100 CFM. My regulator isn't restricting anything though.
@@MattsShop 10-4, and you might have explained all of that in one of the earlier videos you referenced during this one. My guess is that most of us are running 3/8" regulators which have an anemic flow rate to start with which would be reduced by the M fittings, but not as dramatically as in your situation. Thank you for clarifying.
@@MattsShop Your regulator may flow 100 cfm. at max setting. But unless it is a regulator that works by unloading your compressor heads at set psi, not found on electric compressor it regulates the air by restricting the flow. Put a cfm meter on it and test air out put at 90 or 120 psi. Any good 3/4 regulator should pass around 150 cfm at maximum out put pressure. But some of them are lucky to get 25 cfm at 100 psi out put. Heck i got one cheap 3/4 regulator laying around that can not even supply 25 cfm at 90 psi. But unless you are working on big machines you would never know it. And working on heavy equipment you would be running 175 psi any way.
@@bucmeister7713 3/8 regulators are rated around 50cfm.
I'm super glad I found this video! My impact wrench never worked very good.. I have a huge compressor and never put any thought into the fittings.
I did this switch today and WHAT A DIFFERENCE! Thank you for this video!
I am glad you found this video and it helped you out too. This info is helping a lot of people get their air tools running right.
Don't forget to share this with anyone you know that has air tools and needs this info!
I run my compressor at 150 psi
I run a 3/4 inch hose to my 1/2, 3/4 and 1 inch gun. My fittings are 1/2 inch id. For all my die grinders and smaller impacts I run a regulator down to 100 psi.
Before I upgraded to the 3/4 inch hose I couldn’t remove 1 wheel on my semi with out having to wait on my compressor to catch up. The 3/8 inch hose was robbing so much power.
My compressor is a water cooled 4 cylinder rated at 35 cfm @175 psi. I am running it at 1/3 rated speed at this speed it still makes 35 psi oil pressure.
You have a serious compressor! Isn't it a pain to lug that heavy 3/4" hose around on the small air tools? I mean a 3/4" hose is like as big as a garden hose lol. I don't see the point of having such a big and bulky hose and fittings on a 1/2" impact and a die grinder.
Why not just have a dedicated large hose for the big boy 3/4" and 1" impacts and use a 3/8" hose for the 1/2" impact, air ratchet, and die grinders? That's what I do.
Dude thank you so much for showing me the light. I have been living a lie my whole career as a diesel mechanic using t style. I dont know how i could ever repay you. God bless you
You're welcome! Thanks for an awesome comment!
Totally sold me on the backwards compatibility. Plus Milton sells repair seals too!
I learn from you guys too. I didn't know they had replacement seal kits.
Good information. I've been looking for someone to break some of this down and explain a little better. I'm in the process of re-fitting my air system, because when I initially installed everything I didn't understand the amount of air pressure I was losing. I would have my 60 gallon compressor maxed out at 150 psi to run a spray gun that only required 80 psi. I didn't realize at the time that I was actually losing almost half of my air pressure over the distance of the system. The whole system actually comes out of the tank to a 1/4 regulator and creates a MASSIVE bottle-neck. Lol Kind of funny looking back now, I've never cared for air tools because they were always under powered and sloppy... turns out I have been running them at half their recommended pressure!!!
I appreciate it. Yea, this stuff is not complicated. A lot of people just don't know how these things work. Glad I helped you figure out your problem. Yea, the 1/4" low flow fittings are pretty much for nail guns and tire fillers lol.
Brother Forge- It's not so much a pressure issue as it is volume (CFM). See my long-winded post above (sorry). Air tools need both the correct CFM and pressure supplied to them. Without both they will still work, but they are underperforming. I am seeing this now with a Devilbiss HVLP spray gun I just purchased. It requires only 23psi but 13CFM. My filter and regulator has 1/2" ports, 1/2" pipework, and 3/8" hose with 1/4" NPT end fittings. I switched to Milton V high flow connectors and couplings and still no help. My CFM restriction is in the end fittings of the 3/8" hose. I'll change to a 1/2" hose and I am certain it will solve my problem. Hope this helps before you go buying new parts.
Agree bro. I got the 3/8 Truflate/Automotive style with 1/2 hose. Another key is not to run the hose off the pressure regulator on the 30 gallon or smaller compressor. So the air has a straight shot through 1/2 fittings and hose all the way to the gun. The pressure measured shall be 90 PSI with the gun running. My IR impact has no problem with Honda crank bolt. I broke a few head off the bolts on frozen chassis components.
Prevost makes the best push button coupler comes in high flow and standard.
Cool, I'll check it out. I've never heard of that one.
i just upgraded to 1/2 hose and milton connections Oh my god it's like my IR2525 ti grew a set of balls. i need ear protection now.
Yesss! Please tell me you weren't running that on regular 1/4" low flow fittings before.
3/8th hose and connections
Yea, it really is like buying a brand new impact. I will never go back to regular low flow fittings!
Try 1/2 hose with 1/2 milton fittings the thing about twist out of your hand
@@TURBOSHANE101 Excellent! You just made the point I have been screaming about. 1st- CFM (air flow or volume) is the issue, not pressure. Most decent compressors will put out the required pressure to run the tool (usually 90psi) but then they also have to get the air volume to the tool. And when it comes to CFM , the most volume that can flow will be contingent on the smallest orifice size in the system. A restriction at any point in the system will reduce the CFM to the tool. So 2nd, every 3/8" hose with 1/4" NPT end fittings that I have examined has a restriction in the end fittings. Look down inside, you will see a reduced inner diameter (ID) that is considerable less than the 3/8" hose ID. So if you're trying to increase air flow to your tool simply using only high flow 1/4" NPT fittings like the Milton V type is useless. You haven't resolved the restriction in the end fittings. And hose length is also a factor but thats another story. So to increase CFM to your CFM starved impact gun you did exactly what needs to be done. You switched from 3/8" hose and connectors to 1/2" hose and connectors. Your impact gun is now getting the air volume it needs to provide its full rated torque, and you clearly felt the difference.
The ideal way of demonstrating your point would be to place a gauge in line right at the tool then observe the pressure level as the tool is continuously running. With the understanding that the working pressure is what determins the torque behind each increment of rotation and the cfm the ability to maintain that pressure as the rotation continues. Seeing the gauge readings with standard vs. high flow would would emphasize your point well.
No, a gauge would not demonstrate my point at all. We are talking about flow "CFM" not pressure "PSI". You can have 100 PSI through a straw or 100 PSI through a 12" pipe. Which one is going to run your tool better? The 12" pipe will because it can flow more air through the tool than it could possibly use.
@@MattsShop it is a combination of both, that is why you would read the gauge while running the impact wrench. A leaf blower can produce 500 cfm but do you think it could drive an impact wrench through any size of feed line ? Ofcourse not because it lacks the needed pressure. A hand pumpl sold to inflate bicycle tires can produce 100+ psi but lacks the CFM to run the same tool. If a tool states it needs 5 CFM at 90 psi then it is saying at running speed, it will consume 5 CFM of air at full opperational speed. At that flow rate, it needs the pressure of that air flow to be 90 psi to provide its optimal torque. There are many videos to be found on RUclips testing / comparing connectors / supply lines where a gauge is placed at the tool to show why the lack of CFM is not being supplied as fast as the tool wants to consume, resulting in a significant drop of pressure, indicated by the gauge. It enforces the point of your video regarding bottle necks in lines / connectors effecting tool performance. Search "Supercharge your compressor" and a video by GTair will demonstrate. Towards the end they use such a gauge to demonstrate the effects of smaller or larger hoses causing airflow restriction . Same effect as connectors with smaller openings do as your video subject
I've never had any such issues with my 1/2" impact or any other pneumatic tools using the Industrial fittings (M style in some brands and D style in other brands, which is why I prefer to use the proper name of the different fittings, i.e. Industrial, Automotive, ARO and Lincoln) and I only have a small portable compressor which tops out at 120 PSI. But I only use non-slave-labor fittings. I suspect your problem was the female fittings which you said you got from Horrible Freight, which would have been made by slaves in china and probably had a terribly restrictive design. As you pointed out, the Industrial fittings flow almost twice as much air as that tool needs (as long as you use non-slave-labor fittings).
Had universal KAR, since day one, and THEY NEVER LEAKED! Were, interchangeable with all but the supper long. But wimpy. Tandem compressor's set at 150! But WOW! Thanks for training an old man the deal! Can't what to upgrade my 8400 s/f shop ,Yesterday! Ashamed I was stupid for decades, but not anymore, You', the man! Most, clear and articulate!!!! Thank you sooo much, I'm so glad I subscribed, Please keep them coming!, Lee, FL
Thanks for the support! Yea, these fittings flow awesome. Just read some of the comments. You'll be impressed for sure!
That was a great review. Thank you!
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I sure didn't know those were backwards compatible! Thanks for the tip!
You bet!
Milton makes the best air fittings. Upgraded my small pancake compressor to Milton V fittings from the regulator to the tool and it made a huge difference. This was a very helpful video Thank you
Yes, they do. Glad my video helped!
They used to sell these Hi-Flo fittings at Harbor freight for dirt cheap. (the new ones are as you say, garbage and not backwards compatible) I only would buy the male fittings from them but spend some extra and get a quality Milton female.
I know what you're talking about. I have some of those old Harbor Freight fittings. They flow great, but are not backwards compatible.
You should’ve picked the package up so that I can see the part number I’m a little blind it’s hard to see that part number I’m sure it’s 217 but what’s the ladder in front of it I can’t see that I’m blind but I’ve got these fittings and they do make a lot of difference
I put a link in the description where you can get them. Big box stores don't carry them.
$16 is a sweet deal. Can't go wrong with Milton. Been using them for a long time.
Yea, it is. They are even cheaper than that last time I checked.
The shop has 175 psi and with a thunder gun no need for high flow. And T types don't start leaking after a couple months. Im in heavy equipment and use large size sockets and need lots of torque
So you are using 1/2" air fittings I hope.
@@MattsShop 1/2" only for 3/4" gun
Your sit up will work fine used it for years . Air pressure controls air flow more pressure will flow more air in smaller hose. You can tell if hose size is to small by hose getting hot. The older CP 3/4 wrenches used 1/4 thread on the fitting. Newer wrenches 3/4 uses 3/8 fittings and 1/2 hose. On 1 inch i use 10ft 1/2 hose screwed in gun then to 3/4 hose with Chicago style fittings. Working on equipment you need 175 psi as IR recommends on there 3/4 and 1 inch impacts.
@@cliffclark6441 i use Ingersoll 261 on 1/2 hose for 3/4 gun duties
@@earleclemans4836 I got 3/4 and 1 inch. I also run 175 psi 1/2 hose on my IR 261. I often run 10ft 1/2 hose connected to my 3/4 hose coming from my 160 cfm diesel compressor. It has a regulator use adj on compressor that un loads the heads. I turn it down to 175 on my wrenches but i have for got to turn it down and ran over 200psi and did not damage my wrenches.I always screw short hose into gun then couple into air line. You should never screw coupler into your gun. It makes it harder to use and gets in the way. Heck at 3ft even 3/8 hose can run a sand blaster or 1 inch impact. As long as it is supplied by a bigger hose. But IR limits 3/8 hose to 25 ft even on 1/2 impact. 3/4 hose can run 200ft at no pressure loss on 1 inch impact. IR and CP wrenches can be complete rebuild and perform like new for less money than home owners pay for them junk throw away china built wrenches. New air vanes for your 261 IR cost around 14 dollars. And will make it perform like new.
I am buying high flow fittings soon it definitely makes a bigger difference in performance
I just replaced all my qtr inch fittings with 3/8th, got the kits from Lowe’s. Man o man.... what a difference. I changed by IR thundergun from a already beast to a fire breathing Monster 👍🏼
I'm loving all of these positive testimonials.
What about the female coupler that comes mounted on the tank? Does it need to be replaced as well?
Yea, I don't run a coupler at the tank. I plumb my hoses right into the tank for less restriction.
Sheldon Cooper's little brother shows you how to install new air QD fittings in a 22 m-i-n-u-t-e v-i-d-e-o. On and on and on and on it goes
Im a ASE CERT MASTER TECH for many years, thruthfully speaking it doesn't really matter that much about the fitting, , the 2 things that make your airtool perform better is the hose inside diameter and the pressure u run it at! These fitting might show a minute change in performance! But you have to retool all your tools with this new fitting which can be costly, and also its not a STANDARD industry fitting! the 3/8 -1/4 npt is standard for up to a 1/2 drive impact gun, anything over that ull need a 1/2- insde diameter hose! eg. 3/4 inch drive to 1 inch drive impact! Also sometime's u may have to borrow or lend a tool to colleage which wouldnt work with your fitting! So keep it simple stupid and stick with the STANDARD sizes! This is why WINDOWS is the number one platform in the computer industry and ANDROID controls the cellular world !....
This fitting is worth changing out everything in the shop. If they want to borrow a tool just swap out the fitting with a regular "M style" fitting. The female coupler is backwards compatible with "M style" fittings. Meaning the female plug coupler will accept both types. If you change it out both types will plug in. You can't plug this "V type" into a regular "M style" female coupler though.
Are you not seeing the obviously higher rpm?
I gave you a thumbs up purely for your sound effects. 🤙
I appreciate that!
The internal diameter of your hose and it's length will also make a big difference
Yes, the internal diameter and the fitting internal diameter are the most important.
Dude. I can use my impact now. Thanks so much. Lowes and home depot sell these for 12 bucks worth it.
You're welcome! I'm glad I helped. See I wasn't joking. They make a huge difference.
I would have liked a torque wrench showing how much torque was on the nut before you took the nut back off, but the different in the sound was convincing enough.
Yea, This comparison is not that scientific. Do it and you'll see the difference.
*Is 1/2" or 3/8" air hose the recommended size for the Ingersoll Rand 2235TiMAX?*
1/2" air hose would be overkill and a pain to lug around. 3/8" hose and these fittings is the best combo.
@@MattsShop Ok 👍
Ingersoll Rand web site states 3/8 air line up to 25ft over 25ft 1/2 but truth is few home owners own a compressor that can produce more air than a 1/4 fitting can carry. Fittings are rated as orifice. And carry over 50cfm at 100psi. Small hose size restricts you much more than fittings. Hook a 1/4 fitting to your compressor no tool hooked up. It will flow more air than a 5hp 2 stage compressor can supply.But use 100ft 3/8 air line and the pressure drop is large. My diesel compressor can run 2 jack hammers at once.160 cfm 3/4 air line 150 ft long. but with 3/8 air line the 150 psi input pressure will drop below 90 on my impact wrench or sand blaster. With 1/2 hose up to a hundred ft is fine. Over 100ft i use 3/4 100t and 1/2 hose 25ft long plugged into it. Any way 25 ft is max length for 3/8 air line on 1/2 impact wrench to get air flow needed with or with out fittings.
Milton's new "v" style fittings are color-coded purple. Why are your fittings not colored purple?
What a trip , I've got the same IR 2235TIMax and was having issues with air flow , due to a long hose . Then switched all my couplers females and males ...MAN what a difference , in everything ......I'm trying to convince my pops to switch, Hes fkn stubborn as a mule...When he sees it in action hell switch....lol peace.
YES! Please convince everybody they need these air fittings! I've been telling everyone I can about them. They make a no gimmick night and day difference!
Matt's Shop Flowzilla makes a high flow swivel now that work Amazon sells them
sorry Flexzilla
Thx for the tip
By the way everyone reading this comment Annie 90 degree elbows will restrict float with certain degree at a higher level than 45 degree elbows.
Yea, always use 45 degree elbows when it comes to air and water pipes. The 90 degree elbows always hurt performance.
I never even thought about bigger fittings...it's cool they are backwards compatible!
Yea dude! Get some. They'll make you a believer FAST.
V style on that air gun after you do some modifications = awesome.
I had to modify the on off button to flow more air, then just remove the tip.
My air guns now have recoil!
Nice! Yea, V style fittings are the BEST!
Also you need to check ID of your air hoses, If you're that into it..
Yea, do that too.
Yes high flow, when using this tool
Just one question...are you getting 90 psi at the tool itself. Sounds like you need to turn the air pressure up. I do agree higher flow fittings help but a lot of people set their regulator to 90 and are probably only getting 75-80 psi to their tool
Good question. Yes, I made a testing adapter with the most accurate PSI guage I own. I tested it at the tools and I am getting 90 PSI at my tools.
Yea a lot of guys do not turn up their regulators high enough. Mine is set above 90 PSI like 100-110 I can't remember off of the top of my head.
@@MattsShop I work in a semi tuck shop and our air compressor is upwards of 150ish psi and a guy 2 guys i work with use that exact impact to take off semi truck lug nuts they they torque to 450-500 ft lbs. I have a cornwell 1/2 impact that is basically the same thing as this, ingersoll rand makes it and it takes them off no problem. i used my impact at home and was surprised by the difference, never thought my shops air was at such a higher psi.
It’s all good but what about the swivel ? It’s still small hole ..
I know, It restricts the flow too, but it's worth it to not destroy hoses at the fitting. I've been trying to find some kind of high flow fitting that will work with this.
I will let you know in a few. Been trying to get a main shaft pulley bolt off my engine on a 2000 Ford Taurus with my nitro cat 3/8" dr gun won't budge. I changed out the fittings and will be back.
It'll come off now!
Time to upgrade to an impact socket set for your safety if you intend to use the power of that wrench. I use the first fittings and allow my pressure to go up to 125 psi and use 100 feet of 3/8 hose and my older 500 ft/lb wrench could kick butt on your "before" setup. That swivel is choking your system and needs an upgrade because sound wise your "after" is about equal to my before.
PS; Good video. I may consider an upgrade since it is backwards compatible. I already have a high flow female coupler for the M style to minimize freeze up in winter, but the regular one works just as well to resist freezing. These may be helpful to seat beads and inflate tractor tires.
I'm sold. Thanks for the demo. Changing out every one of my air fittings as soon as my Amazon Prime box shows up.
Did you change these fittings? I bet they worked great!
@@MattsShop Yes, and very pleased with the improvement.
Need to replace the coupler connected to the regulator
I plumb my pipe directly into the regulator.
I just got a good air compressor with some tools, I used all G connectors on a 1/2 inch hose. No air flow problems, my Air cat sounds like your IR after you added the V connector. I did make up a couple of 3/8 hoses with G to 1/4 industrial for nail guns and stuff like you were saying for low flow. It seems like all air tool manufacturers list their tools at 25% duty cycle average. So if your 20 gallon 120V sanborn compressor builds air with a 1/2 inch impact wide open, you are severely underflowing your tools. I got a Puma 2 stage 5HP 40 Gallon tank compressor for my home game setup and I am happy with it, could be better but for a 2 stage you can pay a lot more.
Thank you for improving the power of the air pistol and change to the Style V and improve the power level and find another type the same performance of the Style G Thank you I wish you success.
You are welcome. Spread the word so that other people get the best performance!
Hey Matt.
Is there a difference between brass and steel couplers? I'm using my compressor mostly in the garage with a little stapler, filling tires and blowing dust of circuit boards. The brass is almost double the price and I can't see the benefit.
Steel air fittings are the strongest, cheapest, and most common. Brass air fittings seal better (so they say), are weaker, don't rust, and are more expensive.
So it just depends on your application. For example, if you were using them underwater or for an application that you would put water through the fitting, then you'd want brass. I'd use steel air fittings. That's what I use!
Thank you brother.
Appreciate the advice and the time it took to record, edit and post your video.
Cheers
You are welcome! Thanks for the support!
Went to Harbor Freight today and picked up a Merlin 5 pc set of steel couplers. Cost me less than $4 with a coupon. Totally stoked. Will record a video on how they're working out after a few months of use.
Cheers brother
So you are one of those guys who get their jollies by revving up their air tools. I prefer the Milton anodized purple "V" fittings. They have them in kit form at Amazon.
Haha sometimes. These are steel. I feel like they last longer than the purple aluminum ones.
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Great video , the best part was you hear you all excited about it!! Thanks! going to V style
Thanks man, yea I get excited about maximizing the performance of my tools for cheap!
what size hose were you using?
3/8"
@@MattsShop try a 1/2” for even more air.
It would seem you would also have to change the fitting at the other end of the hose as well as the coupler coming off the compressor or shop system .
Don't use couplers at the other end. It's a waste of flow. Plumb it directly into the compressor. Unless you have a portable compressor, then change all of the couplers.
I have a 3/4 Impact gun which needs a 3/8 fitting I used a reducer 3/8-1/4 with a 1/4-1/4 fitting and flow is weak gun sounds like its dying. My Husky Model # C303H 30gal air compressor has 1/4 connectors/connections everywhere and the regulator doesn't drop under 90psi w load. How can I get it to work properly?
3/4" impacts really need 1/2" air hose and 1/2" quick connect fittings. It's a 3/4" right? Not 3/8"? Sooo 1/2" connectors from the tank to the impact. They are expensive I know, but it's worth it. You'll see.
The 3/8" hose and 1/4" fittings will never flow enough air for it to work right.
@@MattsShop The impact gun I'm using is from Harbor Freight Central Pneumatic Item # 66984. 3/4 in. Heavy Duty Air Impact Wrench. I plan on getting a 1/2" Hose.
Yea, you should be golden with that set up. A 3/4" impact needs 1/2" air hose and fittings. 3/8" air hose is WAYY too small. Did you get it set up??
@@MattsShop A 1/2" Hose was unavailable at Harbor Freight so I got a high flow automotive fitting kit and a 3/8 to 3/8 NPT adapter to connect to my air compressor and impact guns. Also brought the 3/8 blk 50ft hose and it made a huge difference my 1/2 impact took out my lugnuts with ease they were stuck by a shop and my HF 3/4 Impact wasn't even necessary but I'm keeping it anyway but its reverse tq is rated at 1000 when my 1/2 is 1300 makes no sense to keep it unless it's really better.
Did you also change the fittings on the other end of the hose where it connects to the compressor? If not, isn't the air flow still restricted?
Yes, for max flow. I plumb directly into the compressor with no quick disconnect fitting for max flow.
@@MattsShop Thanks! I just got an air ratchet to work with a little 6-gallon pancake compressor for my home garage. Want to get the best performance out of it.
Yea, you're gonna need the high flow air fittings. Air ratchets use A LOT of air!
Thanks, @@MattsShop
@@SiteReader That pancake unit will be charging the whole time - not a lot of reserve for those types of tools. I have a 60gal which runs down fast enough as it is.
Should this be done for paint spray guns too or just tools?
Haven't used my air impacts since buying the Milwaukee electric impacts.
Lol battery powered tools suck.
@@MattsShop I'm very impressed by the power and battery life of the Milwaukee fuel line.
Same here. The Milwaukee impact is super awesome. It blows my old SnapOff air impact out of the park.
@@MattsShop My electric 3/4" Milwaukee impact will out perform your air impact any day, I work on rail cars and trains all the time. And a single battery will last me 6 hours of almost constant use, my impact came with 2 batteries, so i never have to worry about it dying on my when im on top of a rail car breaking off 2-4 inch nuts that are torqued down to 230flbs... id like to see your air impact break something like that, it won't, i know because we also use air impacts, my battery one is far more powerful. So you claim that battery power tools suck, seems to me you're just being ignorant.
I was having trouble remove the fitting for my impact with the wrenches I had available, so I put a deep socket on the fitting and a adjustable wrench on the gun, came off like butter
Yea, you can do it that way too.
Yep, I just purchased the NitroCat 1/2" 1056XL for a good price on Amazon. The minute it came in I put fittings on it and tried it out. Well, it really struggled to remove lug nuts on my 1997 Jeep Cherokee Sport. I jacked up the air and it did better, but still slow. So, I checked into RUclips University and found your video. All my fittings are the small ones for operating my little trim nail guns and staplers, the hose is 1/4" and very light weight. I just ordered the Milton kit you recommended, a short whip with a 3/8" swivel and a new 3/8" x 25' Air hose. Because your video made sense. I'll let you know how it worked out. Cheers.
Jacked up to what psi??
I've heard Milton fittings are not very durable. Some of them can chip or break if they are dropped. Have you had any issues with that?
No that's not true at all. The only problem I had was my air hammer put ball bearing dimples on the fitting from all of the vibration at the coupler. The coupler got stuck on, but It was my fault. I was misusing the air hammer.
whats the inner diameter of these fittings? i wanna compare to mine.
also what fittings do you have on your compressor? dont you have to swap them too?
I don't know the inner diameter. The whole end of the 1/4" air fitting almost fits inside these. It's substantially larger.
Are there any swivel connectors that have large ID's for the V style connectors?
Nope, I haven't found any.
I've found that the ball type flows appreciably better than any "Z" type swivel, but unless the internal diameter of the ball is equal to the ID of the connector, there will be some restriction.
Flexzilla makes one that works no restrictions
Will this fit the IM plugs?
Yes, they are backwards compatible with "M" style air fittings.
@@MattsShop good. I even put the high flow on both ends of my hose and on the compressor itself. I'll test it tomorrow
What size air hose are you using? Do you have to have the high flow Female Couplet to use these?
3/8" air hose. Yes, you need the high flow female air fitting to use them.
I've been running these for a couple years now. Only thing I don't like is that they're getting kind of difficult to put together. The M style are easy to fit in the female V's, but the male V types take a lot more effort than they used to when new.
Yea, I have noticed that. It takes some effort to pull them apart once they are coupled under pressure. Still worth every penny for the performance gains.
Thanks dude just clicked and bought them.
Awesome, they are going to help you out big time!
I will check mine right now and make the change if need be; sounds like a huge difference!!! Thanks for the time!!
You are welcome. I am sure u
yours are the regular low flow fittings.
Did you change the fitting on the other end of the hose too?
I don't use quck disconnect fittings on the other end. It cuts down on flow. It's best to just use pipe fittings at the compressor end and make it more perminant if you can.
Your Champion 5hp 80 Gallon Compressor only does 17.2 max CFM at 175psi... Maybe 18.5-19cfm at 100psi? You didn't show us your Pressure regulator settings either during the making of this video. Why would these fittings make that much of a difference? Unless it's not about CFM and it's really about PSI or something?
Yes, you are right on the CFM numbers of my compressor. I have A 3/4" hose to a 3/4" pressure regulator. These fittings help reduce airflow bottlenecks by increasing the CFM flow.
@@MattsShop Correct but if the CFM rating for the small fittings is almost 2.5 times that of the rating of the compressor, the fitting cant be the bottleneck... Seems awfully fishy...
@@MattsShopI have DeWalt 225 PSI 4.5G 5.2 SCFM Compressor, Ingersoll Rand websites says 2236QTiMax Impact Wrench requires 36 CFM. How is it possible, every website on the planet says typical 1/2 Air Impact Wrench requires 4-5 CFM @90 PSI. My 2236 has no torque when running on forward gear, much better torque on reverse….
Now you'll have to get impact sockets, but your bolts and nuts will be tight.
Lol I got plenty of them.
I know its 2 years old.. but damn that yamadoggie ttr needs some tending to on the drum break adjustment and hell maybe throw a pair pads at it too while ur at it? 😆 good vid tho bud pretty thorough
Haha yea she could use a tune up!
Hey MATT! THANX for your excellent video. But you asked us about the "Before anf After" difference and our own results didn't you? SOOO, here we go: Last year I bought my very first impact gun for working on my cars. I bought it at a local EXPO, attracted by its very small size, very attractive because of the cramped insides of present day automobile engine compartments. It is a very compact gun made by Mighty-7, model NC-4610, a gun that can go into smaller spaces than most main brands like Ingersoll-Rand, Atlas Copco etc. Let me tell you that these smaller but powerful (400-600 Ft-lb torque) compact impact tools NEED even MORE airflow than the standard guns like your Ingersoll-Rand. How can that be?, Well, as an engineer, I just had to investigate the reason. I saw the Mighty-7 demo at the EXPO, and it was amazing... BUT the first time I pretended to use it at home, I suffered an amazingly DISAPPOINTING Failure, as I wasn't able to even remove the wheel nuts of my wife's car, that were only tightened to a low 85 Ft-Lb! I took the Impact gun to the vendor, and they tested it, returning it to me as "perfectly OK"...After studying deeper and deeper into the subject (that many people wrongly take for granted), it is due to the compact's gun having a higher INSTANTANEOUS AIR FLOW CONSUMPTION. It is better explained by understanding that an air motor is not like a turbine (more or less constant air flow), but more like a reciprocating pump. In Reciprocating pumps, you need to have a HIGHER available pressure at the inlet in order to avoid the cavitation of the pump. That is because at every pump piston stroke, the fluid MUST be accelerated through the inlet passages of the pump, in order to "fill" the piston cavity or cylinder. Otherwise, it will fail to fill completely, exactly like when you try to QUICKLY fill a syringe with water from a glass through a slender hypodermic needle: if you pull the syringe plunger too fast, the water won't be able to fill it completely (at least initially).That fluid acceleration is needed because the fluid is not moving at first, but as soon as the pump piston tries to pull the fluid, it needs to get quickly moving. Exactly the same happens in an impact gun: Every time the air motor (a vane type air motor) starts to turn, it demands a VERY HIGH instantaneous air flow, because the cavity formed by the vanes passing in front of the inlet port demand a very high instant flow (the cavity is ALMOST empty because when the vanes turn, the cavity emties to the atmosphere, through a very low restriction muffler, so that in the next cycle, that cavity is almost at atmospheric pressure, but before the vanes turn, actuallly there is a very low flow. This means that the really important flow is not the average, but the Maximum Instantaneous flow. Thus, as you correcly said in your video, the manufacturer of the air tool only gives the MEAN or AVERAGE air consumption because he is NOT able to measure instant airflows, so they resort to only measure average consumption after several seconds (or even minutes) of the tool operation. While continuous or average air consumption determines if the compressor will support the tool's demand for air, it is the hose (and anything) between the tank and the tool which determines or limits the instantaneous air flow. That means that hose internal diameter, its lenght and the pressuredrop of any fitting betweenthe tank and the tool are the most important things. For example; the popular swivel-type fittings that allow great movement of the tool, typically causes too much pressure drop. Same thing for any pressure regulator after the tank... small 1/4" size regulators have por pressure drops at high instantaneous flows.The difference between the performance of the impact tool in the DEMO at the EXPO, and the same tool at my home was NOT the size of the compressor, but much more importantly, the size of the HOSE (inside Diameter AND lenght). At the EXPO, the impact gun was demonstrated with a MUCH LARGER 1/2" hose and only about 8 ft long (the size of the vendor's stand!), while at my home I was stubbornly trying to use their brand of Retractable Reel, which stoopidly enough, comes with about 50 Ft of NON-Standard 8X12 mm polyurethane hose, a beautiful blue color but USELESS air hose, at least for high consumption tools like the Impact gun or the air hammer! That damn Taiwanese air hose is NOT the assumed "3/8" standard air hose, but a non British, metric one, and while externally it LOOKS like a Std. 3/8" hose it is WAY narrower inside, at only 8 mm (that's about 70% area of the 3/8" hose). That, coupled to the longer 50 ft lenght inside the reel, made my new impact tool so weak that I was unable to remove the wheel nuts, even when the Torque chart that they deliver for this exact impact gun model, reaches a peak of almost 660 Ft-Lb after a full blast during 8 seconds.After being puzzled by the manufacturer data and my initial results, I started to learn exactly how the tool uses the air pressure, and how important is to be able to achieve the demanded Max Instantaneous Airflow that these small but hungry air tools demand in order to deliver their torque. Next, I replaced the hose reel with a shorter, 12 ft lenght of 1/2" internal diameter air hose, and VOILÁ, the little impact gun instantly removed the same wheel nuts... but failed to remove some stubborn larger nuts and bolts used in the suspension of the same car... again filing to show the advertised high torque of more than 600 Ft-Lb.Lastly, Thanks to your excellent video and info, I gathered the last piece of information: the coupler and its fitting. By removing my DeWalt's air compresor standard coupler and screwing the hose directly to the compressor tank, and using the 1/2" hose directly attached to the Mighty-7 model 4610 NC compact impact tool, I was completely amused to verify that now the tool is able to remove the tightest, largest suspension bolts with easy. Another thing that the people from the vendor told me was that all impact air tools NEED some "Break-In" or "Run-In" in order to properly "seat" the edge of the vanes to the cylinder or housing wall, otherwise those won't seal and slide as well as after some use. They recommend to put oil more frequently into a Brand new tool, and it shows because the air outlet will spew out a darker than usual oily exhaust during that break-in period, that you can see with a naked eye.Again thanks for your useful and helpful video, I'm ready to search for my Milton high flow fittings first time tomorrow's morning! P.D.: As soon as I looked at the large difference in size of the two fittings in your video, starting around 2:05, I remembered about another tool that came with the same style larger inside diameter fitting: a tool made by German company "BGS", that is intended to bleed the brakes of a car using compressed air. That tool uses a kind of ventury to produce a vacuum to pull the Brake Fluid out of the wheel calipers. Well, I wanted to do that task some days ago, but found that the fitting that the pistol-like handle came with, is almost exactly like the Milton ones, and that my air hose coupling did not accept that slightly larger fitting. So, here your video is DOUBLY USEFUL, because now I positively know that the Milton ones are not only better flowing but also back-compatible, so I will be able to use the older narrower fittings for the tire inflator, and the blow gun, or the small ("detail") painting guns, and the high flow ones for the impact gun and the pneumatic hammer ( as well as my new brake bleeder, that already came with the larger fitting). Best wishes.
Bro - you nailed it. What an outstanding presentation. Love your style and flow! I just ordered the V's off Amazon and was only half way thru your vid at the time. Well done mate. Milton should reach out to you with gratitude. Sooo good. Thank you. Be well.
Wow. Thanks! This is like the best comment ever! I wish Milton would reach out to me.
I did the same. This guy needs an endorsement my Milton
That's so odd. I have no problem with the smaller type.
Try these fittings and then you'll see the problems with the smaller type fittings lol.
@@MattsShop Matt's Shop I have heard both ways. But I would say that my 2131 has no problem taking off lugs even at the end of 100' 3/8 hose. The only time mine let out air and would not turn, 5:57, is if the direction button was not pushed in all the way. It's also interesting that having one restriction versus two has any difference at all. They look like they were the same size restriction. Idk, good video for those that liked it. I'm in the middle personally. Take care.
Did you use 1\4 hose or 3\8 hose
3/8"
this is the video I needed to see. I tried to use a ingersol rand 131 wrench with my compressor, but its the crappy 6mm hose. looking to get the 3/8 hose and euro fittings.. this was awesome
Glad it helped!
What size hose you have though?
1/2" to the hose reel then 3/8" hose with 1/4" NPT ends.
good info. for me thank you, I have a machine shop and use a lot of air details are important. This is way off the subject but might throw it in while we're sharing idea's, I never use teflon tape, my theory is that threads cut it and roll it out of the way even if applied properly. liquid thread sealant almost any type is better in my opinion. I also use a lot of coolant plumbing and other applications with sealing threads.
You're welcome. Yea, I usually only put the teflon tape after the start of the threads. That way it does not get cut and end up loose in the tool.
Not really arguing, but I’ve got the same gun with 3/8” hose and Milton 1/4” M style fittings. It would’ve taken that nut off just as fast, guaranteed.
It's not just how fast it takes it off that matters. It was just for demonstration. Anything would have taken this nut off. It really wakes up your air tools when you actually need the power.
seems very underpowered with the stock fitting - my IR231 is very happy running @ 120PSI also and with a stock fitting it would rip my hand to shreds trying to hold the socket/anvil like that. Those hiflow fittings are great though and I do run a 1/2" hose...
Just go to 3/8- 1/4NPT. More flow than V fit right up.
You can do that too. Most people don't want to change every fitting over. These are backwards compatible.
That thing screams now!
Yea it does!
Wow, thanks for the info. I was having trouble with the performance of my impact wrench. Changing out now.
Your performance will be awesome now!
Well guess what I got the three eights coupler from Amazon and I checked the inside diameter against my quarter inch couplers the inside diameter were exactly the same which means the airflow is the same this is crap telling people to upgrade to three eights -1/4
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Thanks, apparently I do the voice of Cleveland on Family Guy.
@@MattsShop lol 😂🤣🤣
Any difference running a 1/2" impact with 1/4" high flow fittings vs. 3/8" high flows connected to a 50 ft 3/8" hose?
Maybe. What is the brand/model of the 3/8" fittings? It's all about the inner diameter of the fitting and how well the coupler flows.
The Miltons. Trying to decide 1/4" vs 3/8". Based on your vid it seems the HF 1/4 would be plenty.
If you are talking about the Milton V fittings the 1/4" and 3/8" is just the NPT thread size on the end of the fitting. It is not a bigger fitting like most other companies name their fittings 1/4", 3/8", 1/2" etc. I confirmed the flow is the same on their website.
You just have to get which one you need to fit your tool.
If you buy them from the links in the description it helps the channel out!
@@MrMustang1973 The flow ratings are given in their catalog if you download it from their site but to save you some time the V type (1/4 high flows) show as 74CFM and the P type (3/8") show as 68 cfm There really isn't a 3/8 high flow design, they're all high flow due to dimensions. Interesting that the 1/4 High flows actually pass more air than the 3/8, not by much but some. By way of comparison a standard 1/4" I/M or T type flow rates are ~40 CFM. The 1/4 HFs will have 6 ball bearings, and the 3/8 will have 8, so more than flow, the difference appears to be ruggedness.
HOT ROD HOSES, cant belive the difference.
It does make sense tho. To many times I tried to pull axle nuts with high torque guns and nothing. seems to me now that it was an air out put issue and not the gun or compressor. I will swap out for this in the near future, thanks for the info 👍
In order to use the Milton do you have to replace all your female connectors as well?
Yes, you do. Milton female coupler is backwards compatable, not the other way around.
@@MattsShop OK well that part is not so bad then.
But your hose is restricted smaller than the fitting is
No it's not. It's 3/8" hose.
So does this mean
compressor manufacturers,
and air tool manufacturers are designing, and outfitting
their products improperly?
Do you think the
tool designers from the different companies would also be surprised and impressed if they saw this video?
My guess is probably not,
for any that are experts
anyway.
So why might companies be outfitting tools, hoses, fittings with what appears to be
inner diameters that are too small?
What could the reason/s
be for this?
Simple answer = cheap. The standard fittings are "good enough" to get the job done. They are cheap and everywhere. They are not going to take the time to reeducate everyone that there are better fittings out there.
These things work. Some manufacturers don't even include air fittings in the box with the new air tool because they know people like to run their own setups.
It's like anything else. Aftermarket stuff can increase performance sometimes.
It is because the engineers at the factory know the orifice rating verses air hose ratings. And a 1/4 inch orifice will flow more air than any home owners compressor could ever put out. Look at the size hole in your pop off valve. Hose is rated at 100ft at 100 psi. My 160 cfm diesel compressor will only hold 100psi on a 1/4 pipe. It will hold 200 psi with pipe turned off. Hose is rated not to exceed a certain mph speed in the hose because hose will over heat do to friction. So looking at fittings and pipe up to one ft. look up orifice rating.
just a comment on an unrelated topic - I was always told by our tool room where I worked that you never used teflon tape on air tools because of the danger of the tape shreds getting up into the air tools and jamming them up
It can happen. A trick you can do is start wrapping the Teflon tape below where the threads on the fitting start.
19:18 haha.. do that again.. lol.
That's basically 3/8 fitting, I went industrial 1/2 fittings which are the best but the only problem I had was fitting them up to my tools which required a 1/2-1/4 adapter in order to thread them on to my tools. I am currently looking for a bottom nut replacement for my tool to accept 1/2 fittings naturally without any stupid 1/4 adapter.
1/2" air fittings are OVERKILL. That's what you would use on a 1" impact beast lol. Not a little impact that you need to get into tight places.
Question did you had to also change the coupler that's connected to the air compressor to the high flow one???
Yes! If you have a large stationary compressor you can plumb the air line directly into the compressor with a high flow connector. If you have a smaller compressor just replace every connector with high flow ones.
Yes! If you have a large stationary compressor you can plumb the air line directly into the compressor with a high flow connector. If you have a smaller compressor just replace every connector with high flow ones.
@@MattsShop can you explain what you mean by pluming straight into the compressor? is it worth it on a 30 gal unit?
What size hose are you using also you said 1/2'' but the package says 1/4''
1/2" between the compressor and hose reel--> 3\8 hose on hose reel --> 1/4" Fittings
So 3/8" hose and 1/4" NPT fittings
Great video, i have the same problem, just bought brand new Ingersoll Rand 2236QTiMax, it works OK on reverse gear but forward gear absolutely no power, just like you i can hold the socket in my hands and it is not spinning. Question: Do I need only the Milton 1/4" High Flow Connector or shorter hose or both. Currently I have 3/8 50FT hose. Will it work or i also need to get shorted hose (e.g. 25FT 3/8)
Here is my setup:
Huskey 50FT 3/8 Hose with 1/4 in IM air fittings
DeWalt 5.2 CFM 225PSI 5 Gallon
Hose connected directly to the compressor quick-connect fitting not the reel. Also, not sure if the Milton high flow fitting will fit my quick-connect fitting on my compressor. @@MattsShop
Thanks for the info Matt, I have been using the harbor freight fittings and husky for years and have been frustrated from day one. They always leak. I just ordered the kit. Thanks for the info again, Al from Maryland
You're welcome. Yea, these air fittings are awesome. Just make sure you don't have any restrictive couplers at the compressor too.
Is this considered automotive or industrial?
Thank you.
I'm not sure what you mean. These fittings are primarily used for automotive tools. If you had an industrial application that could utilize the high CFM flow of these fittings I suppose you could use them.
Matt's Shop , I just got my first air compressor (used). Reading about air hoses, it is said that 3/8” hoses are recommended for automotive tools while 1/4” are more for construction/industrial use. Is that true?
Thanks.
Oh, yea 3/8" hoses and up for automotive use. The 1/4" air hose is pretty much useless for anything other than a nail gun. Industrial uses are like assembly lines where they have automated machines assembling stuff.
@@MattsShop 2 different style id by the way coupler seals. Third style is Chicago style. Free flowing rubber seal 1/4 turn to lock together and clip to keep locked. Both automotive and industry style fittings have same cfm rating.
That swivel is killing about 30% of your airflow.
Maybe. I don't doubt that.
What about the other swivel style?
I've tried them (the ones that look like a "Z"... Believe me, those are even worse that the ball type... MUCH worse. Remember that all abrupt changes in direction, cause a certain pressure drop at flow. the ones that look like a Z letter have several abrupt 90 degree direction changes, plus the internal orífices are very small and resptrictive (disassemble one and look), they can be opened by removing the ring key.
Great info, this really clears the air fittings up