Another idea for a $15 risk strategy is place the 6 and 8 for $6 each. Once it hits, drop $3 and get the 5 and 9 for $5. From there collect and press as you see fit.
I like this strategy. When placing a come and you have something in your risk tray you could put it on the odds, and if the come craps out, you can take the odd bet and put it in the come. I saw a guy at the casino who kept track of rack or risk by flipping a chip in his rack, so facing down was waiting for a rack and facing up was waiting for risk. Thanks again, great vids!
I'm a fan of this strategy. Im actually trying to get into card counting, but will probably play a little craps with "dice influence" as some call it on the side for cover. This strategy will definitely at least keep my losses minimum for a good amount of time while I wait for the pit to cool if on a winning streak.
I've watched a couple of your videos and I gotta say thank you for doing this! I love this game but don't know much about it as I'm a Hold Em player primarily. It's great to see some simple strategies that are efficient and don't put a huge dent in the wallet. Thanks for the tips!
Small suggestion: to keep track of when you're in your risk/press phase or your rack/bank phase on a given shooter/roll you can place a coin in your tray and switch it from heads/go to tails/no. If you're at a really stingy casino that won't let you set your "lucky coin" in the chip tray even after you explain that's all it's doing there (only happened to me once that I can recall) you can (hope their chips have opposing faces :P) set a dollar chip at the far end of the appropriate rack and hopefully not absentmindedly grab it every time you go to put odds on 5/9 or place 6/8 while also remembering to swap it from tray to tray.
This is a decent strategy at a craps machine because it's a min 3 dollar bet so you can risk 9 dollars get some free drinks and build points up at the casino but you have more chances of losing than winning but the goal is to quit when you at your limit
Hey +Color Up, quick question about this strategy that I didn't see explained in the video. Is there ever a scenario where a risk tray would be carried over to the next shooter, or is it always only per shooter? Here's an example of what I mean. Let's say the shooter hits the 7 three times on his come out roll, thereby satisfying your 2 rack, 1 risk requirement. The next win would go into your rack. Assume the next roll establishes a point of 8. We make a come bet and the shooter rolls a 6. Now we have a point of 8 and a come bet on 6. Our second come bet is up and the shooter rolls a 6. Ok, that pays us our 1 unit win for hitting the 6 and we place that in our rack. We put up our next come bet and the shooter rolls a 7. At this point, we lose our unit on the pass line and we lose our unit on the come bet 6. However, we won the unit on the come bet, which at this point should have gone into the risk tray. Oh, and I just thought up a second scenario. If we've gotten to the point where we've maxed out our odds on our three points (pass and 2 comes), do we continue to alternate the rack/risk trays, or just rack everything at that point?
Jonny Bravo I like to start over per shooter but you certainly could carry over if you like...if 3 points maxed out, congrats your in a big roll, up to you how you want to proceed, consider adding more come bets to go up on more numbers
LOL... If you've maxed out your 3 numbers, you are indeed on an insanely hot shooter. On a 3-4-5 $5 table, the minimum you'd need to max out is $50 on odds bets ($15 on a point of 4 or 10, $15 on a come of 4 or 10 and $20 on a come of 5 or 9... or some other combination of 2 3x odds and 1 4x odds bet). This strategy is definitely a grind, but like with every strategy, if you've got a hot shooter, you're going to color up :)
Color Up it is really easy to get confuse,need to put wins buy them self so you know when you went through 10 shooters and a 5 odds on a 5 or 9 pays $7 just like a place bet,keep up the good work.
I would like to see you do a video with a similar strategy from the dark side. For the low rollers, $15 for each shooter, $5 DP, then try to establish 2 additional numbers through the DC $5 each. Never laying odds but always racking wins. Never lose more than $15 on any one shooter. Get paid even money for odds in your favor instead of even money for odds against you. May be a real grind but minimal risk. Just a thought.
You are right, I left a little risk in it ($5) just so I could get on with adding those odds...no real reason to, just felt like it, but a real conservative player could recoup his full initial outlay like you said
I've been playing on a craps app, to practice the different strategies. Just wondering, if you were to get to $300 in chips, would you double your investment on each roller to $10? Why or why not? I tried and quickly lost all my chips. Thanks!
stiltguyjoe I would stick to $5 min and use extra for odds if my bankroll was bigger, if you are going to bet more on a shooter always better to use the extra money on odds bet with zero house edge
Love this strategy. Makes you look like an expert in front of your beginner friends at the table lol. Plus it's a great strategy if an ATS bet is available at the table.
Hey Jeremy I really like this concept but I have a question. At 6:20 you kept a chip in the risk pile when you were trying to establish a third point when you had odds on the pass line. Then at 9:00 you were in the same situation but instead of leaving it in the risk pile you bumped up the odds. Is there a set rule for that scenario or was it just a “gut thing”? Thx man. Love your channel.
JIMSZILVA the time stamps are very helpful since it had been awhile since I made this. I was inconsistent. Ideally you establish 3 points before “risking” in both cases I had a come but that would establish the 3rd point (maybe) first time I kept risk money to make sure come bet moved up, at 9:00 I didn’t wait. I think you can go either way with it as long as that 3rd bet is in the come, but probably waiting is more appropriate to stick to strategy. I forgot about this strategy, I think it’s a good conservative one, thanks for bringing to my attention!
Color Up awesome. One more question...I’m the shooter and on the come out, I establish a point of 6. I then place a come bet and I roll a 3. I place my “last bet” and I roll a 6. I rack my first win, but in trying to establish the next point I roll a 2. Would you just borrow a chip from your next “set of 3” to establish a point? You have to keep placing bets on the pass until a point is established, right? However, if I’m NOT the shooter, I would just wait and see what happens with the 6, correct? I really appreciate your help.
I can beat that. Take 6&8 for 6$, first hit pays 7, add 3$ and take 5-9 for 5$. You have 22 inside for 15$, do what ever you like then. I like to go 6-12-18-42-42-90-90... you get the drill. Oh and when you have 150-200 pressed up, regress to 66 inside. Start over.
Hey I've been watching and enjoying your videos for over a year now. Informative, easy to follow and good video quality. IMO one of the best craps tutorial channels out there, good work. A quick question, I've set up a craps felt/layout and am thinking of having some friends over for a crap game. Not street craps rules but casino rules using the layout. How would you recommend a money management system? When you're playing poker with friends, everyone brings their own money to wager and you either go home with a loss or a profit but when playing craps, where would the money come from to pay the winners? And where would the money go collected from the losers? Any ideas? Anyway, thanks for your time.
Thanks for the nice words. Home craps game sounds like a blast, I haven't pulled one of yet but if it were me...First decide a ratio, like $1real = $50chips, or whatever amount you want. All the players can chip in to be the "bank" Lets say you have 5 friends, everyone brings in $50. ($40 goes into bank, and $10 goes back to player to play with) Chip distribution would be based on the ratio (example $1real =$50chips ), player gets 500 in chips and bank gets 2000 in chips. Now each player owns 20% of the bank (total amount divided by the 5 players) At end of night everyone gets their 20% of bank - whatever is left, bank may have more than what you started or bank may have less.
On one of your first rolls, you have $5 pass line, and come bets on the 4 and 10 with no odds. The odds against you on the 4 and 10 are 2-1 but they only pay even money (1-1), not a very good bet. You do have a chance to win the come bet if a seven comes but if your not going to put odds on the come bets then wouldn't you be better off placing the 4 and 10?
Thats true, their biggest advantage is on their come out roll. In this strategy you use winnings to add odds, I never got a long enough roll to add odds to the Come bets, which get added after odds on the Pass are maxed out. The best way to handle the 4/10 is to buy them, but if you are going thru the Come you don't have a choice...Thanks for watching
I agree with what you said and i like this come bet system because it slows you down on putting money at risk in case of a short roll. My only point was, Id rather place the 4 and 10 for $5 because it pays $9 instead of $5 but I would miss out on hitting the 7 or 11 on the come out roll.
@@ColorUp I've watched more than my share of your videos and enjoy them a lot. I usually learn some small thing in almost every one. The point I got from this one is: Pay yourself first, then head in for the profit .. (don't go for the throat right from the start)
Nice conservative demonstration Color Up! Hopefully I never have to resort to this again after a few days in Vegas 😆 Tell you what though, I’ve come back from the dead a couple times being down almost to my loss limit. Once with $7 and again with $3. Both times I brought it back and colored up ahead of my buy in, but it wasn’t easy. That said, it was a blast! Me against the house baby! 😃 I rarely resort to this style of play. Despite its slow progress this strategy is still a good way to play sometimes! This idea applies to other bets at the table too! Thanks for sharing your videos man!! 🎲🎲
I’m ok if you wanna do it to hedge a larger pass line bet, but to play randomly...just think too much of a waste of money to me, but I’m just not much of a “middle of the table” guy
Thanks man, cool video. I was just sitting here trying to keep track of rack and risks with you and kept forgetting too. You doing it while playing and dealing was great. Feels like a grind for sure and not taking advantage of the odds seems like a disadvantage for the player. Do you think it is? I get the low risk but to work so hard on the come and not advantage those with odds seems...less advantage. Do you think it is?
Oh I have 8 ways to win on the come and only 4 ways to lose so I am not really disadvantage trying to work the come onto a number? Sorry for the newbe questions lol
Is there a name to this strategy that I can read up on this? I am a new craps player and like systems like the Iron Cross because of the options to hit. But also risk averse with my bank roll since I can tell craps can have swings.
Bryce Treese I misspoke, I should have said $7. While $7.50 is the correct payoff most casinos don’t deal in quarters, they will round down to $7 which is the same as a $5 place bet on the 5 or 9. That’s why it’s important to remember that extra dollar so you don’t get shorted.
I'm confused on the come bet as opposed to a place bet. Come bet on $5 only pays $5. But a place bet pays $9 on a $5. Unless I'm missing something. Somewhat new to craps
@Color Up I love your videos man keep up the great work! I really enjoy craps and trying different “systems”. Unfortunately near me all we have is a casino boat, which I feel the ocean waves mess up the dice but that’s just me haha. Anyway, I was just curious, out of all your “strategy” videos you have posted so far, what is your favorite to play with a majority of the time when you gamble? Thanks again for the awesome vids and I look forward to hearing from you!
Color Up thanks for the reply! I also typically prefer to be conservative since I don’t usually gamble with more than a $300 bank roll on average. I play craps for fun, but if I happen to make a winning on it all the better!
This works better if YOU are the shooter. Just place the point if you aren’t shooting. Instead of putting your odds behind the pass line. Use your risk money on the come odds.
I feel continually betting come with no odds is the worst way to grind. Well not literally the worst but a better way to do this would be $5 pass/$10 odds and if the shooter makes a point, rack. If they made a second point, you risk using the winnings from that one. Also they don’t round down from $7.50 to $5. You still get $7
MyopiaMovie yep, made a mistake about rounding down...as far as strategy this is super conservative, if you add $10 odds now you are risking up to $45 per shooter vs $15, big difference if you are a low roller, but if you have the money it is a lower house edge way to play for sure.
Color Up I mean keeping the same $15 max risk and just putting the last $10 as odds on the first point instead of trying to get 3 flat bets with no odds.
I'll be in Vegas in a couple of weeks and been trying to figure out my "low-roller strategy", I think I found it in this one! Thanks! Any suggestions on where to play craps while trying to stay on "European Time". (i.e. go up around Midnight and go to bed around 4 pm). Is there any place that's good between like 09.00 - 12.00?
Stefan Qvickström not sure if you mean 9 in morning or 9 at night? Great thing about Vegas is it’s lively 24hrs a day...in the morning you may find lower limits and it’s a little quieter/less busy...9 at night is going to be “prime time” tables will be full everywhere, tables will cost more to play but the atmosphere will be more lively! Because u wanted a low roller strategy, I would enjoy the strip but gamble mostly downtown...good luck
Low rollers fare better during the wee hours downtown. The wee hours being from 3 am until dawn. Of course, it won't matter WHERE you play if you insist on making foolish, high-percentage 'prop' bets. The deeper you go, the higher you fly. The higher you fly, the deeper you go, so COME ON!!!
Because the 5/9 odds pays at 3:2, or $3 for every $2 bet. Another way to look at it is they pay 1.5x. If you bet $6 you will get paid $9 for $6 or 1.5x your bet. If you only bet $5, 1.5x that is $7.50 and because they don't deal in small change the casino will round down to $7. So bet $5 and win $7, bet $6 and win $9. As long as you bet an "even" amount the casino can pay the 3:2 or 1.5x properly and will not round down and short you money.
Understand the strategy just don’t see how it’s an advantage one just another way to go back and forth with the casino some I try to stray away from good luck to the amateurs watching this u gonna need it
Michael Holcombe you have to stay in game long enough to take advantage of a long roll, some strategies are more aggressive than others, but they all require the dice to cooperate
Greg Vernon place bets you have more money at risk first couple rolls, and every roll is at disadvantage...with place/come you are hedged first few rolls and have an 8:4 advantage of winning on come out rolls... but however you like to play it is fine, all depends how the dice roll
i dont like it. take it to 17 a shooter and just play the iron cross on the inner numbers - the field bet. seems like a waste of time with the come stage.
I mention in video to start adding odds once you have built up profit, I never got a long enough roll going in this video. Its super conservative. Odds are not conservative.
Tried this out tonight. It is indeed "grindy" but hell I came out on top so I can't argue that it doesn't work haha! I really like your strategy videos. They give a lot of perspective and options for people of all budgets!
Thanks for all the info. I haven’t played in years and the few times I did play I lost and lost quickly. Now the game makes more sense. Thanks again. One question: what do you think about placing a Field bet for each of the two Come bets as a hedge? Since we are grinding and all.
Well this strategy is about minimum risk, and low house odds, adding the field adds more risk and raises edge a lot, but you can add any variation to this you like, good luck coloring up
Ingrid Matthews well not exactly, a golden ticket is a winner...odds is a fair 50/50 gamble but doesn’t increase your chances of winning, and if you lose, (and with all points the probability is against you winning,) well then you lose more money. This is a conservative strategy that eliminates the volatility of odds. If you want to add odds, it’s a good bet but a much larger bankroll is required. I have a few videos on the topic you might find interesting.
For all you high rollers out there: try this: Play Baccarat or Blackjack for hundreds a hand until you are up at least $650. Once you have reached that win amount, mosey on over to the Craps table, look over the assortment of potential shooters there, pick one - maybe the next one, maybe not - and when they first establish a point, toss the dealer the $650 and say '650 across, including the point.' Then hope you chose right. Keep racking any wins until the shooter makes the point (hopefully). If you picked a hot shooter, you can clean up. If not, all your hard work at Baccarat or Blackjack was for nothing, BUT YOU TRIED. There is no worse feeling than losing your last stack of chips at some game and then standing behind a Craps table watching some clown throw number after number. If you add your imaginary wins in your head as you see the numbers roll by one after another, it can actually bring tears to your eyes.
Any one can go on a long roll at any time. However, next time around he could 7 out on the second roll. Even dice control throwers still hit sevens. If I bet on other shooters I bet don't pass and a one dollar fire bet. I leave with a smile every time.
The 'Fire' bet is so frustrating. I win it so rarely that it hardly seems worth it, but that 1000 for 1 payout keeps me going. Never hit it but saw it hit a few weeks ago when I heard screams and went over to investigate. There was a mysterious $5 place bet on the 9, however, which made me think the whole thing was a setup by the casino to show people 'See? It CAN happen.' There was no logical explanation for that $5 place bet on the 9. All the other numbers (and the 9, too) were covered with huge stacks, and the shooter was still shooting even after hitting his 6th 'Fire' point.
If I play other shooters, which isn't often I will always toss a buck on the fire. I make most on my roll, then don't pass on other shooters, then if I notice the usual good shooters I will usually at least get 25 dollars or even 50 on the fire. But only if the talent is there.
This strategy seems lame. You might as well use pass line and then pick 2 place bets because you make money instantly without waiting and they stay up as long as no 7 and they pay more than even money..
Thanks for the feedback...come bets have advantages too, like winning with a 7 on their come out roll, and you can add odds, but play whatever bets you like is the best option
Color Up they might "win" on 7 but all your other bets lose and you have to hit twice to get 5 bucks. A place for 5 bucks gets you 7 or 9 if you hit once.. 9 or 11 profit if you hit twice.
I don’t need to defend come bets vs place bets, it’s an age old argument, prefer place bets? That’s fine, I typically do as well...this is just a strategy using come bets, thanks for watching
Color Up yes I totally get that. I love craps and have thousands of play hours under my belt. I love hearing about different strategies. I'm just stating my opinion that I don't think it's a great strategy based on what I mentioned. I Think the concept of betting about 15 per shooter and being conservative is good. I'm just saying I think it would be better to do pass line and pick a couple place numbers. Thanks for replying and for making videos. Fun to watch.
@@ColorUp Seriously! I have tried it for weeks (along with other methods) and never had a winning session. I am obsessed with craps AND with watching your videos. I really enjoy and appreciate the time you put in to test the methods. But so far, the pass/don't pass system with progressive betting (Al Kaufman?) is the one that has the best results over all your trials. (That system works great with Blackjack also $5, $15, $35, $75.....). There surely is no way to always win in a casino but your best bet is to get in and out as quickly as possible! Thus the single win or $50 per session.
My first response was no reflection on you personally, (you didn't invent this 3 point $15 method). It is just probably one of the least productive ways to play.
I take no offense to any comments...Point of this particular strategy is to take very little risk. I would agree if you are looking for "production" not going to happen with this one. You can play a long time with little risk, but you aren't going to make much money.
Another idea for a $15 risk strategy is place the 6 and 8 for $6 each. Once it hits, drop $3 and get the 5 and 9 for $5. From there collect and press as you see fit.
I like this strategy. When placing a come and you have something in your risk tray you could put it on the odds, and if the come craps out, you can take the odd bet and put it in the come.
I saw a guy at the casino who kept track of rack or risk by flipping a chip in his rack, so facing down was waiting for a rack and facing up was waiting for risk.
Thanks again, great vids!
Flipping a chip, that’s a great idea, I’m stealing that !!!! :)
If you have a risk and rack row, just put a white chip in the row to get it next, but away from the other chips.
Another great suggestion
I'm a fan of this strategy. Im actually trying to get into card counting, but will probably play a little craps with "dice influence" as some call it on the side for cover.
This strategy will definitely at least keep my losses minimum for a good amount of time while I wait for the pit to cool if on a winning streak.
Was at the table last week and this strat really worked for me. Craps tends to be a very streaky game and this system takes advantage of that.
Sander Gusinow glad it worked out for you!
I've watched a couple of your videos and I gotta say thank you for doing this! I love this game but don't know much about it as I'm a Hold Em player primarily. It's great to see some simple strategies that are efficient and don't put a huge dent in the wallet. Thanks for the tips!
Kieran917 thanks for watching and good luck coloring up
Small suggestion: to keep track of when you're in your risk/press phase or your rack/bank phase on a given shooter/roll you can place a coin in your tray and switch it from heads/go to tails/no.
If you're at a really stingy casino that won't let you set your "lucky coin" in the chip tray even after you explain that's all it's doing there (only happened to me once that I can recall) you can (hope their chips have opposing faces :P) set a dollar chip at the far end of the appropriate rack and hopefully not absentmindedly grab it every time you go to put odds on 5/9 or place 6/8 while also remembering to swap it from tray to tray.
Great idea thanks
If I want to minimize my bets, I would just place the 6 or 8. It is much easier to keep up with.
That’s fine, this strategy just isn’t for you, some people like the come bets
This is a decent strategy at a craps machine because it's a min 3 dollar bet so you can risk 9 dollars get some free drinks and build points up at the casino but you have more chances of losing than winning but the goal is to quit when you at your limit
Some craps machines even have $1 minimum, but a lot of times you won’t get casino points on those craps machines
Color Up right and all casinos don't have them
Hey +Color Up, quick question about this strategy that I didn't see explained in the video. Is there ever a scenario where a risk tray would be carried over to the next shooter, or is it always only per shooter? Here's an example of what I mean. Let's say the shooter hits the 7 three times on his come out roll, thereby satisfying your 2 rack, 1 risk requirement. The next win would go into your rack. Assume the next roll establishes a point of 8. We make a come bet and the shooter rolls a 6. Now we have a point of 8 and a come bet on 6. Our second come bet is up and the shooter rolls a 6. Ok, that pays us our 1 unit win for hitting the 6 and we place that in our rack. We put up our next come bet and the shooter rolls a 7. At this point, we lose our unit on the pass line and we lose our unit on the come bet 6. However, we won the unit on the come bet, which at this point should have gone into the risk tray.
Oh, and I just thought up a second scenario. If we've gotten to the point where we've maxed out our odds on our three points (pass and 2 comes), do we continue to alternate the rack/risk trays, or just rack everything at that point?
Jonny Bravo I like to start over per shooter but you certainly could carry over if you like...if 3 points maxed out, congrats your in a big roll, up to you how you want to proceed, consider adding more come bets to go up on more numbers
LOL... If you've maxed out your 3 numbers, you are indeed on an insanely hot shooter. On a 3-4-5 $5 table, the minimum you'd need to max out is $50 on odds bets ($15 on a point of 4 or 10, $15 on a come of 4 or 10 and $20 on a come of 5 or 9... or some other combination of 2 3x odds and 1 4x odds bet). This strategy is definitely a grind, but like with every strategy, if you've got a hot shooter, you're going to color up :)
Very interesting and conservative strategy. I also like to separate my wins but I lose control on the bets. I will have to try this next time.
Good luck on coloring up
Color Up it is really easy to get confuse,need to put wins buy them self so you know when you went through 10 shooters and a 5 odds on a 5 or 9 pays $7 just like a place bet,keep up the good work.
ok, so if you forget its nice they pay you place odds instead of completely ripping you off, thanks.
I would like to see you do a video with a similar strategy from the dark side. For the low rollers, $15 for each shooter, $5 DP, then try to establish 2 additional numbers through the DC $5 each. Never laying odds but always racking wins. Never lose more than $15 on any one shooter. Get paid even money for odds in your favor instead of even money for odds against you.
May be a real grind but minimal risk. Just a thought.
Good thought, ill put it on my list
I know it's an extensive list. I do enjoy your videos, keep it up.
You could make it even more risk averse by racking 3 initially, since you intend to get 3 at risk.
You are right, I left a little risk in it ($5) just so I could get on with adding those odds...no real reason to, just felt like it, but a real conservative player could recoup his full initial outlay like you said
I've been playing on a craps app, to practice the different strategies. Just wondering, if you were to get to $300 in chips, would you double your investment on each roller to $10? Why or why not? I tried and quickly lost all my chips. Thanks!
stiltguyjoe I would stick to $5 min and use extra for odds if my bankroll was bigger, if you are going to bet more on a shooter always better to use the extra money on odds bet with zero house edge
Color Up, thanks! I really enjoy your videos!
Thanks for watching!
Love this strategy. Makes you look like an expert in front of your beginner friends at the table lol. Plus it's a great strategy if an ATS bet is available at the table.
Hey Jeremy I really like this concept but I have a question. At 6:20 you kept a chip in the risk pile when you were trying to establish a third point when you had odds on the pass line. Then at 9:00 you were in the same situation but instead of leaving it in the risk pile you bumped up the odds. Is there a set rule for that scenario or was it just a “gut thing”? Thx man. Love your channel.
JIMSZILVA the time stamps are very helpful since it had been awhile since I made this. I was inconsistent. Ideally you establish 3 points before “risking” in both cases I had a come but that would establish the 3rd point (maybe) first time I kept risk money to make sure come bet moved up, at 9:00 I didn’t wait. I think you can go either way with it as long as that 3rd bet is in the come, but probably waiting is more appropriate to stick to strategy. I forgot about this strategy, I think it’s a good conservative one, thanks for bringing to my attention!
Color Up awesome. One more question...I’m the shooter and on the come out, I establish a point of 6. I then place a come bet and I roll a 3. I place my “last bet” and I roll a 6. I rack my first win, but in trying to establish the next point I roll a 2. Would you just borrow a chip from your next “set of 3” to establish a point? You have to keep placing bets on the pass until a point is established, right? However, if I’m NOT the shooter, I would just wait and see what happens with the 6, correct? I really appreciate your help.
JIMSZILVA you got it, if shooter you would have to bet again...if not shooting I would wait till next shooter
I like this strategy. I like the grind, it’s a good strategy to build and spend some time playing at the table.
Christopher Slocum I thought so too, thanks for checking it out
I can beat that. Take 6&8 for 6$, first hit pays 7, add 3$ and take 5-9 for 5$. You have 22 inside for 15$, do what ever you like then. I like to go 6-12-18-42-42-90-90... you get the drill.
Oh and when you have 150-200 pressed up, regress to 66 inside. Start over.
Used this 3 times won over 300.00 on both trips last time lost 50.00 walked away still ahead money
Kris Lake nice! Thanks for letting us know how you did
Hey I've been watching and enjoying your videos for over a year now. Informative, easy to follow and good video quality. IMO one of the best craps tutorial channels out there, good work. A quick question, I've set up a craps felt/layout and am thinking of having some friends over for a crap game. Not street craps rules but casino rules using the layout. How would you recommend a money management system? When you're playing poker with friends, everyone brings their own money to wager and you either go home with a loss or a profit but when playing craps, where would the money come from to pay the winners? And where would the money go collected from the losers? Any ideas? Anyway, thanks for your time.
Thanks for the nice words. Home craps game sounds like a blast, I haven't pulled one of yet but if it were me...First decide a ratio, like $1real = $50chips, or whatever amount you want. All the players can chip in to be the "bank" Lets say you have 5 friends, everyone brings in $50. ($40 goes into bank, and $10 goes back to player to play with) Chip distribution would be based on the ratio (example $1real =$50chips ), player gets 500 in chips and bank gets 2000 in chips. Now each player owns 20% of the bank (total amount divided by the 5 players) At end of night everyone gets their 20% of bank - whatever is left, bank may have more than what you started or bank may have less.
On one of your first rolls, you have $5 pass line, and come bets on the 4 and 10 with no odds. The odds against you on the 4 and 10 are 2-1 but they only pay even money (1-1), not a very good bet. You do have a chance to win the come bet if a seven comes but if your not going to put odds on the come bets then wouldn't you be better off placing the 4 and 10?
Thats true, their biggest advantage is on their come out roll. In this strategy you use winnings to add odds, I never got a long enough roll to add odds to the Come bets, which get added after odds on the Pass are maxed out. The best way to handle the 4/10 is to buy them, but if you are going thru the Come you don't have a choice...Thanks for watching
I like the basic idea of minimal risk and protecting your bankroll.
Thats basically all this one is about.
I agree with what you said and i like this come bet system because it slows you down on putting money at risk in case of a short roll. My only point was, Id rather place the 4 and 10 for $5 because it pays $9 instead of $5 but I would miss out on hitting the 7 or 11 on the come out roll.
I like it cuz it has a grind feel to it. I got to Vegas in 4 weeks so trying to figure out what strat to go with
Bryan Bustillos I would consider it a grind for sure, have fun in Vegas and good luck coloring up!
There is no way I could keep track of this system after a few tequilas
At that point you might want to walk away ha
Chris Kelly drinking and gambling don't mix. How you getting home?
@@ColorUp I've watched more than my share of your videos and enjoy them a lot. I usually learn some small thing in almost every one. The point I got from this one is:
Pay yourself first, then head in for the profit .. (don't go for the throat right from the start)
This system blows !!! Go Big or Go Home! 🎲 🎲
@@dayzr420 "Dripping water hollows rock"
Nice conservative demonstration Color Up!
Hopefully I never have to resort to this again after a few days in Vegas 😆 Tell you what though, I’ve come back from the dead a couple times being down almost to my loss limit. Once with $7 and again with $3. Both times I brought it back and colored up ahead of my buy in, but it wasn’t easy. That said, it was a blast! Me against the house baby! 😃
I rarely resort to this style of play. Despite its slow progress this strategy is still a good way to play sometimes! This idea applies to other bets at the table too!
Thanks for sharing your videos man!! 🎲🎲
Thanks for watching, and your feedback...
What if your casino has $2.50 chips? Is it okay to bet odd odds? Or do they not use those on the craps tables? (I know the BJ tables use them)
I don't know of a craps table that uses 2.50. It is ok to bet "improper" amounts, the dealers will just round down on the payoff typically
Color up can you add a $2 crap bet to one of your strategies sometime? When I practice I would keep track how much I bet and won. I would alway win.
Maybe, do you just bet the any crap bet on the come out roll to cover a $10-15 pass line bet? Or do you just randomly bet it?
Always on come out to cover and randomly thereafter.
I’m ok if you wanna do it to hedge a larger pass line bet, but to play randomly...just think too much of a waste of money to me, but I’m just not much of a “middle of the table” guy
Gonna try this at the Blue chip tonight.fingers crossed!
Joshua Krawczyk Good luck on coloring up!
It does seem a lot to remember, risk and racking but instead of keeping track of 3 points could this be profitable with just establishing 2 points?
Wazabi76 sure, give it a try!
Thanks man, cool video. I was just sitting here trying to keep track of rack and risks with you and kept forgetting too. You doing it while playing and dealing was great. Feels like a grind for sure and not taking advantage of the odds seems like a disadvantage for the player. Do you think it is? I get the low risk but to work so hard on the come and not advantage those with odds seems...less advantage. Do you think it is?
Oh I have 8 ways to win on the come and only 4 ways to lose so I am not really disadvantage trying to work the come onto a number? Sorry for the newbe questions lol
That’s a big advantage for come bets
Is there a name to this strategy that I can read up on this? I am a new craps player and like systems like the Iron Cross because of the options to hit. But also risk averse with my bank roll since I can tell craps can have swings.
Not sure where you can read up on this. Im not sure where I came up with the idea for this one.
If you you have $5 odds on a 5 won't they round down and pay you $7 instead of $7.50? You said they would round down and pay you $5.
Bryce Treese I misspoke, I should have said $7. While $7.50 is the correct payoff most casinos don’t deal in quarters, they will round down to $7 which is the same as a $5 place bet on the 5 or 9. That’s why it’s important to remember that extra dollar so you don’t get shorted.
I'm confused on the come bet as opposed to a place bet. Come bet on $5 only pays $5. But a place bet pays $9 on a $5. Unless I'm missing something. Somewhat new to craps
yes they pay different, both have different advantages, here is a video i made on the topic that will help ruclips.net/video/qhY_hOFYijM/видео.html
Going to Cherokee, NC next week Cant wait to try!
Mike Davis good luck on coloring up!
@Color Up
I love your videos man keep up the great work! I really enjoy craps and trying different “systems”. Unfortunately near me all we have is a casino boat, which I feel the ocean waves mess up the dice but that’s just me haha. Anyway, I was just curious, out of all your “strategy” videos you have posted so far, what is your favorite to play with a majority of the time when you gamble?
Thanks again for the awesome vids and I look forward to hearing from you!
XtremeSnake thanks for watching! I don’t have a favorite as I’m always trying new things. But I almost always start very slow and conservative.
Color Up thanks for the reply! I also typically prefer to be conservative since I don’t usually gamble with more than a $300 bank roll on average. I play craps for fun, but if I happen to make a winning on it all the better!
This works better if YOU are the shooter. Just place the point if you aren’t shooting. Instead of putting your odds behind the pass line. Use your risk money on the come odds.
I feel continually betting come with no odds is the worst way to grind. Well not literally the worst but a better way to do this would be $5 pass/$10 odds and if the shooter makes a point, rack. If they made a second point, you risk using the winnings from that one.
Also they don’t round down from $7.50 to $5. You still get $7
MyopiaMovie yep, made a mistake about rounding down...as far as strategy this is super conservative, if you add $10 odds now you are risking up to $45 per shooter vs $15, big difference if you are a low roller, but if you have the money it is a lower house edge way to play for sure.
Color Up I mean keeping the same $15 max risk and just putting the last $10 as odds on the first point instead of trying to get 3 flat bets with no odds.
Love this strategy
Great system to help acquire comps.
I'll be in Vegas in a couple of weeks and been trying to figure out my "low-roller strategy", I think I found it in this one! Thanks!
Any suggestions on where to play craps while trying to stay on "European Time". (i.e. go up around Midnight and go to bed around 4 pm). Is there any place that's good between like 09.00 - 12.00?
Stefan Qvickström not sure if you mean 9 in morning or 9 at night? Great thing about Vegas is it’s lively 24hrs a day...in the morning you may find lower limits and it’s a little quieter/less busy...9 at night is going to be “prime time” tables will be full everywhere, tables will cost more to play but the atmosphere will be more lively! Because u wanted a low roller strategy, I would enjoy the strip but gamble mostly downtown...good luck
Low rollers fare better during the wee hours downtown. The wee hours being from 3 am until dawn. Of course, it won't matter WHERE you play if you insist on making foolish, high-percentage 'prop' bets. The deeper you go, the higher you fly. The higher you fly, the deeper you go, so COME ON!!!
Why do you win more money if you bet “even odds” on the 5 or 9? (Only $1 extra on the $5 tables)
Because the 5/9 odds pays at 3:2, or $3 for every $2 bet. Another way to look at it is they pay 1.5x. If you bet $6 you will get paid $9 for $6 or 1.5x your bet. If you only bet $5, 1.5x that is $7.50 and because they don't deal in small change the casino will round down to $7. So bet $5 and win $7, bet $6 and win $9. As long as you bet an "even" amount the casino can pay the 3:2 or 1.5x properly and will not round down and short you money.
Can casinos say anything if they see us doing same thing or using strategy over and over again?
No they don’t care, they always win in long run so they are happy you are there.
thanks
Understand the strategy just don’t see how it’s an advantage one just another way to go back and forth with the casino some I try to stray away from good luck to the amateurs watching this u gonna need it
Michael Holcombe you have to stay in game long enough to take advantage of a long roll, some strategies are more aggressive than others, but they all require the dice to cooperate
should just place bets. less rolls required
Greg Vernon place bets you have more money at risk first couple rolls, and every roll is at disadvantage...with place/come you are hedged first few rolls and have an 8:4 advantage of winning on come out rolls... but however you like to play it is fine, all depends how the dice roll
would this work with on the don't too?
I don't see why not.
very nice !!!!!!!!!!!
Srinivasa Char A V thanks for watching
Pretty good strategy....I like it
Cool, thanks for watching.
So on your first rolls, if you had bet the field you would have made money. Why do you hate the field?
Ha, I don't hate the field. It's just not part of this strategy. I show it with many others.
i dont like it. take it to 17 a shooter and just play the iron cross on the inner numbers - the field bet. seems like a waste of time with the come stage.
@6:57 why wouldn't they round down and pay $7? The $1 chips are on the table...
KSechrist they would pay $7 just like Place bet odds of 7:5, just a slip up I made
Why don’t you put odds on your other come bets
I mention in video to start adding odds once you have built up profit, I never got a long enough roll going in this video. Its super conservative. Odds are not conservative.
Color Up true
Tried this out tonight. It is indeed "grindy" but hell I came out on top so I can't argue that it doesn't work haha!
I really like your strategy videos. They give a lot of perspective and options for people of all budgets!
Chris thanks...just like all strategies, works sometimes, sometimes it won’t
Yeah. Let's just hope it works more often than not. Haha
the $7.50 odds rounds down to $7.00, not $5.00
Thanks for all the info. I haven’t played in years and the few times I did play I lost and lost quickly. Now the game makes more sense. Thanks again.
One question: what do you think about placing a Field bet for each of the two Come bets as a hedge? Since we are grinding and all.
Well this strategy is about minimum risk, and low house odds, adding the field adds more risk and raises edge a lot, but you can add any variation to this you like, good luck coloring up
Where are the odds on the Come bets?????
Ingrid Matthews odds are optional not required?? , just not part of this strategy
Well, no, but statistically they have zero house edge. That's like throwing away a Willie Wonka golden ticket.
Ingrid Matthews well not exactly, a golden ticket is a winner...odds is a fair 50/50 gamble but doesn’t increase your chances of winning, and if you lose, (and with all points the probability is against you winning,) well then you lose more money. This is a conservative strategy that eliminates the volatility of odds. If you want to add odds, it’s a good bet but a much larger bankroll is required. I have a few videos on the topic you might find interesting.
But you did add Odds to the Come in the video. 12:30
@@rmheckklzu3613 Yep you are right, i make a lot of videos and forget...I forgot for this one after you recoup your bets, you start adding odds.
always bet even odds on the 5 and nine..
Arther Wood yep, even odds on the odd numbers or even odds on numbers that end with an “e”
Wish you would do a 10 table. That’s all I play. And yes I know all I have to do double everything
Tom Schoen yeah, I get it, I should do more 10$ videos, since it’s becoming the new minimum table anyway
I like it
Come out rolls suck so don’t bet a pass if you don’t roll
Dealer, 3 betting disks please.
Color Up You never make a Pass Line Bet or Come Bet Without taking Odds , Why get paid even money when you can get True Odds
Ok, thanks
Odds have Zero House Edge
Yep, as soon as you pay 1.4% on the line, its a great bet when you plan on betting more than minimum
For all you high rollers out there: try this: Play Baccarat or Blackjack for hundreds a hand until you are up at least $650. Once you have reached that win amount, mosey on over to the Craps table, look over the assortment of potential shooters there, pick one - maybe the next one, maybe not - and when they first establish a point, toss the dealer the $650 and say '650 across, including the point.' Then hope you chose right. Keep racking any wins until the shooter makes the point (hopefully). If you picked a hot shooter, you can clean up. If not, all your hard work at Baccarat or Blackjack was for nothing, BUT YOU TRIED. There is no worse feeling than losing your last stack of chips at some game and then standing behind a Craps table watching some clown throw number after number. If you add your imaginary wins in your head as you see the numbers roll by one after another, it can actually bring tears to your eyes.
Thanks for the emotional story
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Any one can go on a long roll at any time. However, next time around he could 7 out on the second roll. Even dice control throwers still hit sevens. If I bet on other shooters I bet don't pass and a one dollar fire bet. I leave with a smile every time.
The 'Fire' bet is so frustrating. I win it so rarely that it hardly seems worth it, but that 1000 for 1 payout keeps me going. Never hit it but saw it hit a few weeks ago when I heard screams and went over to investigate. There was a mysterious $5 place bet on the 9, however, which made me think the whole thing was a setup by the casino to show people 'See? It CAN happen.' There was no logical explanation for that $5 place bet on the 9. All the other numbers (and the 9, too) were covered with huge stacks, and the shooter was still shooting even after hitting his 6th 'Fire' point.
If I play other shooters, which isn't often I will always toss a buck on the fire. I make most on my roll, then don't pass on other shooters, then if I notice the usual good shooters I will usually at least get 25 dollars or even 50 on the fire. But only if the talent is there.
this only works if the shooter doesn’t one roll 7 ya to death
Doc Holladay007 this specifically stops that, one roll 7, you push, that’s a benefit of come bet
Risk, rack
Say that 5 times fast lol
Definitely a tongue twister :)
Did you forget to pay your self on the pass line a few times. I'm lost not following at all. Sorry it's just unclear on what your doing here.
This strategy seems lame. You might as well use pass line and then pick 2 place bets because you make money instantly without waiting and they stay up as long as no 7 and they pay more than even money..
Thanks for the feedback...come bets have advantages too, like winning with a 7 on their come out roll, and you can add odds, but play whatever bets you like is the best option
Color Up they might "win" on 7 but all your other bets lose and you have to hit twice to get 5 bucks. A place for 5 bucks gets you 7 or 9 if you hit once.. 9 or 11 profit if you hit twice.
I don’t need to defend come bets vs place bets, it’s an age old argument, prefer place bets? That’s fine, I typically do as well...this is just a strategy using come bets, thanks for watching
Color Up yes I totally get that. I love craps and have thousands of play hours under my belt. I love hearing about different strategies. I'm just stating my opinion that I don't think it's a great strategy based on what I mentioned. I Think the concept of betting about 15 per shooter and being conservative is good. I'm just saying I think it would be better to do pass line and pick a couple place numbers. Thanks for replying and for making videos. Fun to watch.
Yep thanks for watching, I show plenty of strategies that show just what you suggest
You might be there for hours and only win $100 don't think I will try this system
hours and win $100 is a good day gambling to me, just a different perspective
Better than losing $100 in a half hour lol.
This dont really make any sense to me...you gonna lose it all in the end.
Its a gamble, the hope is you walk away ahead, before you lose it all in the end.
Why not place a 9,5 with the point for your $15?
Certainly could, that would just be a different strategy. or different video :)
THAT is a terrible system! (imho)
Michael Riggs good detailed opinion thanks
@@ColorUp Seriously! I have tried it for weeks (along with other methods) and never had a winning session. I am obsessed with craps AND with watching your videos. I really enjoy and appreciate the time you put in to test the methods. But so far, the pass/don't pass system with progressive betting (Al Kaufman?) is the one that has the best results over all your trials. (That system works great with Blackjack also $5, $15, $35, $75.....). There surely is no way to always win in a casino but your best bet is to get in and out as quickly as possible! Thus the single win or $50 per session.
My first response was no reflection on you personally, (you didn't invent this 3 point $15 method). It is just probably one of the least productive ways to play.
I take no offense to any comments...Point of this particular strategy is to take very little risk. I would agree if you are looking for "production" not going to happen with this one. You can play a long time with little risk, but you aren't going to make much money.