What he's saying is go buy a Schwinn or other budget bike from Walmart that has a decently light frame and put the good suspension on it. Upgrade the drivetrain, rim and tires and you have a bike that can perform 95% as well as a 8k bike. For under 1k.
everyones saying tuning this tuning that. its a brand new $10,000 long travel downhill bike vs what looks like a 5 year old $1,200 short travel bike. even if it was considered long travel at the time it definitely isnt now. comparing apples to oranges here
@@JjkTopFiveDOAno, that’s an old Giant Reign from 2013 ish. Was probably close $3k new. Today, assuming it’s in good shape, you could sell it for $800 to $1000.
That bike is a bit older than 5 years old. It’s probably 2012, 2013 ish Giant Reign and I wouldn’t call it short travel either. Front was 160mm and the rear was 150mm. Shorter than the Santa Cruz but not short travel.
And yet the giant glory of 08 with slow rebound would give you the exact same result as the santa cruise in the video, apples vs oranges, they are still in the fruit basket pal 🤷♂️
There’s a dude at my local bike park that has a $9,000 Santa Cruz on a rack that’s strapped to his $2,000 96’ Honda civic. Dude has his priorities right if you ask me.
@@smeefbeef367 living in the sticks I had plenty of friends with crappy trucks in crappy trailers with the most beautiful gun collection you've ever seen! Beautiful brownings with Leopold scopes
Brand new downhill bike VS 10 year old Enduro bike. Good job comparing Apples to Oranges. Next, you should see if that V10 can beat a Scott Spark around an XC course.
@@litwanlazerdimfan Obviously you wont set it to be poppy/playful for a downhill track with a lot of chunk. Or first bigger rock would send you into oblivion over the bars.
@@Nicholas-im8bdI have that fox40 and the zeb ultimate as well as some cheaper setups and yes the zeb and fox 40 will perform better but on this test you can make any average MTB suspension perform in the test the same as the Santa Cruz with tuning . They purposely tuned the giant to be horrid .
When you're too stupid to adjust your suspensions, it's not the bikes fault. And if you don't ride hardline or fking rampage I'm pretty sure you don't need a v10 for your little pisspark. When I see one more V10 used to ride down 10 stairs I gonna lose it.
Suspension kinematics and setup both matter. Sure the VPP is superior. So much R&D and iterative improvements over the years, but the suspension shock quality and setup make more of a difference. However, if you took both shock and fork setup exactly the same with a neutral setup, and swapped them over to bikes, the SC will still perform better and smoother. Everytime would choose the SC!
Different trails/areas/races you go through on that bike require different set-up techniques for the suspension. It's like tires on a car for example, they have all season, snow, etc. different tires for different purposes.
My old ass Yeti ASX is very aged and has had some upgrades to keep in touch with the times as much as I have been willing to spend but still be a blast to ride. My heavy dinosaur bike would absolutely love this "test"...we have plenty of problems with the floors around here too. My bike will show the floor the back of its hand like a pimp slap.
@@АнтонКравчик-т2л,нет он не сдут,так и должно быть,к тому же аморт на санте не сдуешь,а джайнт просто при смерти находится и требует срочного обслуживания
I was free riding in nyc on kona bikes back in the late 20th century and early 21st century it was definitely the golden era of mountain biking/free ride.yeah for back then the machines were pricey but at least very attainable. 1,200 got you a 5 to 6 incher with marzocchi in the front and fox in the back. I get inflation but my god you could pay for 75% of certain actual brand new cars for what mountain bike companies want these days . I can understand if they were all made in the U.S of A but most if not all the top brands aren't made here completely. It's not for everyone anymore. This sh!t still rocks.
A marca não tem nada a ver com o amortecimento .... Isso aí só mostra a diferença de um ajuste pra outro... Cada modalidade exige uma regulagem de suspensões ....
It's not the bike brand that matters. It's how the suspension is set up or tuned. Just turn the rebound all the way down and let the air out of the system.
It doesn't matter what brand bike you have. All you need is a good shock setup to be able to do that you could do that on a mongoose you can make a mongoose I have no bounce back like that Yes, you might have to upgrade the shocks but you could still do it
Второй работает правильно, у первого слабая пружина . Под весом спортсмена будет пробивать подвеску , а на втором уже отробатывать . Либо они для разного использования
The Fox 40 is doing all the work, it would do the same thing on the front of a Giant
It annoys the crap outta me when people say you gotta buy a $10,000 bicycle in order to have decent suspension
Sooooo... What are you saying? 😅
@@lilIAN97huhfor real you just gotta buy a 1-2k set of suspension and a thousand pound bike 🙄
@@lilIAN97huhhave you considered building a bike with the specs you want?? How can you even argue this😂
What he's saying is go buy a Schwinn or other budget bike from Walmart that has a decently light frame and put the good suspension on it. Upgrade the drivetrain, rim and tires and you have a bike that can perform 95% as well as a 8k bike. For under 1k.
Just tune the giant differntly. Also those "tests" only represent ONE suspension setup. Differnt riding requires different setups.
That’s a 10 year old giant at least. Modern ones are much better.
First one that stick to the fact somehow 😅
and weight and sizes lol. people who think that this video says anything about brands or suspension dent know shit about cycling
Its literally just slow rebound making it look special 😂🤦♂️
@@Cole.Claesondefinitely, i have a friend with a recent one and its probably the best riding bike ive ever been on
everyones saying tuning this tuning that. its a brand new $10,000 long travel downhill bike vs what looks like a 5 year old $1,200 short travel bike. even if it was considered long travel at the time it definitely isnt now. comparing apples to oranges here
Ya, I saw that right away!
The giant is nowhere close to 12 hundred bucks 😂 more like a few hundred
@@JjkTopFiveDOAno, that’s an old Giant Reign from 2013 ish. Was probably close $3k new. Today, assuming it’s in good shape, you could sell it for $800 to $1000.
That bike is a bit older than 5 years old. It’s probably 2012, 2013 ish Giant Reign and I wouldn’t call it short travel either. Front was 160mm and the rear was 150mm. Shorter than the Santa Cruz but not short travel.
And yet the giant glory of 08 with slow rebound would give you the exact same result as the santa cruise in the video, apples vs oranges, they are still in the fruit basket pal 🤷♂️
it's all a matter of tuning the shock rebound not of frame manufacturer
100s of these videos later and finally somebody pointing it out 👍
There’s a dude at my local bike park that has a $9,000 Santa Cruz on a rack that’s strapped to his $2,000 96’ Honda civic. Dude has his priorities right if you ask me.
Good taste 😊
And living in a tiny apartment.
It depends, if he rides like s*** he's an idiot.
I used to cycle a lot. When I put my bike on my car rack my car immediately doubled in value.
@@smeefbeef367 living in the sticks I had plenty of friends with crappy trucks in crappy trailers with the most beautiful gun collection you've ever seen! Beautiful brownings with Leopold scopes
Brand new downhill bike VS 10 year old Enduro bike. Good job comparing Apples to Oranges.
Next, you should see if that V10 can beat a Scott Spark around an XC course.
it's a joke. basically every post this guy makes is satire
I rode a trail on my buddys Santa Cruz, absolutely phenomenal for techy trails. Jumps not so much.
Depends on what frame lol
@@HeardFurball852 depends on how it’s set up !
@@litwanlazerdimfan Obviously you wont set it to be poppy/playful for a downhill track with a lot of chunk. Or first bigger rock would send you into oblivion over the bars.
Try a Haro
V10 =/= 5010.
This is the result of different rebound dampening setups, not the company that designed the bike frame.
Dampening? What are you dipping it in water?
Rebound low vs rebound high. Nothing more, nothing less.
The forks on that Santa Cruz cost as much as the entire Giant lol. It is most definitely more to it than that.
@@Nicholas-im8bdI have that fox40 and the zeb ultimate as well as some cheaper setups and yes the zeb and fox 40 will perform better but on this test you can make any average MTB suspension perform in the test the same as the Santa Cruz with tuning . They purposely tuned the giant to be horrid .
I know it's how the bike is set up, but man this really got me 😂😂😂
What what I expected from a coil shock 😂
Crazy how tire pressure changes perspective 👀
and fork/shock settings: compression, rebound etc. It's just a silly video.
That fox suspension is some tough shit, got it on my Honda talon
The shock was not setup properly on the Giant. Not a fair representation.
I like how the ruassion dude reacted when he dropped the giant bike
I loved the Santa Cruz Heckler in the late 90's
When you're too stupid to adjust your suspensions, it's not the bikes fault. And if you don't ride hardline or fking rampage I'm pretty sure you don't need a v10 for your little pisspark. When I see one more V10 used to ride down 10 stairs I gonna lose it.
I think i love you
True words…
Someone’s pissed, but true worss
Oczywiście masz absolutną rację. Regulacja przodu. Tyłem mogą się troche różnić
Why dafuq is bro talking about V10's when you gotta pedal yourself when riding a bike 😂😂😂
The most iconic dream bike😮💨
Floor: Why are you torturing me like this?
Suspension kinematics and setup both matter.
Sure the VPP is superior. So much R&D and iterative improvements over the years, but the suspension shock quality and setup make more of a difference.
However, if you took both shock and fork setup exactly the same with a neutral setup, and swapped them over to bikes, the SC will still perform better and smoother.
Everytime would choose the SC!
😂 можна з дурні другана зламати .,..😂😂😂
Buddy snapped his frame of i believe that exact Santa Cruz. Sick bike tho Santa Cruz sent him a brand new one
first bike looks sick asf
Bros are riding bikes made with 10 different parts that are multiple times more expensive than my entire old car 😂😂
ITS THE BIKE!
its the fork bro 💀💔
Different trails/areas/races you go through on that bike require different set-up techniques for the suspension. It's like tires on a car for example, they have all season, snow, etc. different tires for different purposes.
Bro this is a my dream bike 😊
My friend has a Giant and when he does this it looks exactly like when you do it with the Santa Cruz v10
My knees broke watching the first clip
Old Giant vs New Santa Cruz ..😅😂
Bike issue:
Bike thrower issue: ✅
There is not only Santa Cruz in this world, there are better grades but they are not known.
Tipo?
Отлично у меня как раз такая вилка
I am confused.I set up my suspension to work while im actually riding the bike, what's the point of setting it up to work well without the rider?
Because it makes for good engagement bait
Exactly
It’s all about the shock. Bikes are just frames. The rest is shared accessible components
Ist auch mega fair ein perfekt eingestelltes Fahrwerk gegen ein zu schnelles antreten zu lassen
I thought it was a hard tail based off that recoil 😂
it all comes down to the setup of the suspension
でもgiantは東日本大震災の時に300台ものMTBを無償提供してくれたから大好き。
I conjunti di Santa Cruz è magnifico! 🥰
My old ass Yeti ASX is very aged and has had some upgrades to keep in touch with the times as much as I have been willing to spend but still be a blast to ride.
My heavy dinosaur bike would absolutely love this "test"...we have plenty of problems with the floors around here too. My bike will show the floor the back of its hand like a pimp slap.
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Sag mal wie
@marsi_gtd das Internet ist groß, informier dich du Holz.
Und selbst dann gibts no pro‘s wie loic bruni die mit mehr rebound fahren und den idioten mit seinem v10 nass machen
Достаточно лишь обслужить подвеску giant'а
Тип амортизатора другой
@@drsklifosovsky2400 пружинные амортизаторы лучше,они лучше страгиваются с места
Гиант настроен а в санте все сдуто, если на нем поехать всю подвеску пробьешь
@@АнтонКравчик-т2л,нет он не сдут,так и должно быть,к тому же аморт на санте не сдуешь,а джайнт просто при смерти находится и требует срочного обслуживания
@@tewer9337 да конечно аморт не сдуешь, у меня две санты и после того как я его с коробки достал и настроил под свой вес он перестал так прыгать
Он стоит миллион рублей ☠️
Oh my God ready very good
science of bike geometry love it.
I like Santa Cruz but I don't have money 😢😢😢
Super light, forever my favorit bike.
santa cruz body and pro setup vs giant body with starter setup*
This is why sta cruz is so damn expensive. Dream build
I was free riding in nyc on kona bikes back in the late 20th century and early 21st century it was definitely the golden era of mountain biking/free ride.yeah for back then the machines were pricey but at least very attainable. 1,200 got you a 5 to 6 incher with marzocchi in the front and fox in the back. I get inflation but my god you could pay for 75% of certain actual brand new cars for what mountain bike companies want these days . I can understand if they were all made in the U.S of A but most if not all the top brands aren't made here completely. It's not for everyone anymore. This sh!t still rocks.
That's because of the different specifications...downhill vs....
Wait a second ....What up with those tires ....
Justifying a $6,000 ENTRY LEVEL full suspension is hilaaaaaaarious.
V10 glaze is crazy
A marca não tem nada a ver com o amortecimento .... Isso aí só mostra a diferença de um ajuste pra outro... Cada modalidade exige uma regulagem de suspensões ....
Turbo flex bike vs your bike💀
Bro figured out you can adjust rebound and that this is what happens when you put it to 0.
What a flex.
Please compare the same series. And the same spec.
The shock absorber is locked
Просто правильная настройка!
Bro unlock amortization 😂😂
The rim 💀
The bikes are so different in price, age, and kind
Great for when you're landing a jump and you're no longer on the bike
I need the Cruz but sadly can't afford it 😢
get a job and work for one. or, just stick to things you can afford
Nice with a $10,000 difference really shows
Ослабьте амортизаторы, практические любой аморт покажет такой же результат если его настроить на это
how to set up ur suspension
I love my trek❤
( after 15k on the santa cruz ) bank account :
MI BOMBOCLATTTTTT😭😭😭😭😭
The more lighter the bike is the more stable it is
Nice
New Santa vs 15 years old Giant, cool
The irony is the Santa Cruz comes out of the same factory in China.
It's not the bike brand that matters. It's how the suspension is set up or tuned. Just turn the rebound all the way down and let the air out of the system.
Hmmm I believe the rebound was cranked to be like a Pogo stick
Duas bikes de propostas diferentes!
Giant просто настроить надо!))))
Primera bici para descenso, segunda para freeride
Кароче дело как всегда в прокладке между рулём и сиденьем😂
Maybe try the damping setting😂
Que comparación tan absurda
Читаю комменты и радуюсь, что публика не настолько доверчива
It doesn't matter what brand bike you have. All you need is a good shock setup to be able to do that you could do that on a mongoose you can make a mongoose I have no bounce back like that Yes, you might have to upgrade the shocks but you could still do it
So which one is better?
no entendí, cuál es mejor?
type of floor is the answer
Everyone comparing the bikes when it’s the suspension that’s doing that
santa cruz bicycle : 🤩
santa cruz tragedy: 💀
Не знаю что за вилка из джанта но видно что она отработала хорошо и дело в подвеске. Скорее всего амортизатор просто без масла
Which one is better?
How it feels owning an XC bike
Comparing a $4,000 to a $700 bike
It’s just the chain making that sound
Второй работает правильно, у первого слабая пружина . Под весом спортсмена будет пробивать подвеску , а на втором уже отробатывать . Либо они для разного использования
different between cycle of 500$
and cycle of 12000$😂
Tener dinero no significa saber usarlo.
High air pressure in tires and forks' legs are doing its work.
Giant also costs only half and is very suitable for young people
Сравнили х.. с трамвайной ручкой😂