Union Pacific engineer yells from the locomotive at us to leave, also with some good yard action.
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- Опубликовано: 15 окт 2024
- Engineer tells us to leave at 2:02
This was the second encounter NETrain and I had with Union Pacific Employees about leaving on this particular day. The first time we were told to leave we were on the edge of railroad property and public property. Then, a railroad worker saw us from a distance and told us to not to film there. We then went back about 15 yards to one hundred percent make sure we were on public property, and we were. About 10 minutes later a Union Pacific grain train shows up and the engineer of that train then expresses at us to leave by yelling out of the cab of the locomotive. So then again, we walked about 50 yards back and filmed from there. After the train had passed, we decided we had enough for the day, so we left.
I've had the same thing happen to me, but instead of it being the engineer, it was a lady from the company that drives the UP crews to and from locations. I was watching yard operations, and the crew was being very friendly. Well, she drives up, and says: "Who are you with?" I'm 14, and quite a responsible railfan, I always make sure I'm on public property, and on this occasion I was with my dad. I replied, "Uh, I'm out here with my father. She says back, this time to my dad "Who are y'all with? Why are you filming?" My dad said, "We're local railfans, we go around the Midland-Odessa area filming trains" Now, we were for sure on public property, there were no signs posted saying it was private land. And none of the crew asked us to leave. The brakeman actually came over and gave me a hat. She gave us a rude look and yelled "Well, this is private property and you have to have permission from the manager at the yard office to be out here!" And she drove off. I had my scanner out, and suddenly heard the engineer say to me, over the scanner: "It's ok guys, shes the one driver we have whos always a b**ch, and she scares off railfans. This is indeed public property, so y'all can stay. Don't worry about her." And so, we continued to watch until the yard operations ended.
I'm a driver like her and she doesn't have any say. You're good. She needs to get her head on the road and shut up.
@West Texas Railfan send me a link to the video of when that happend please.
@@WestCoastRailroadProductions it didn’t happen on video, it actually happened in between when I was filming.
I wish I had caught it on film but being 13 going on 14 at that time (I’m almost 17 now haha) I filmed things a lot differently than I do now. I filmed in several different clips instead of a consecutive clip just cut and edited together haha. It however was this video and I think her car actually passed by in one of the clips, can’t recall though! ruclips.net/video/wPOGth15I64/видео.html
No comment on the driver. I used to be a dispatcher at Norfolk Southern and trying to talk to those drivers to do their jobs is agonizing. It's rare they get one that knows what to do but no surprise they like to ruffle up their feathers and act like they have some sort of authority.
I work for CP Rail in Canada. Me and my engineer love when rail fans and just random every day people have us and the train on video. As long as they aren't trespassing or up to mischief, go hard we say. Hell, one time a young mom and a few kids were watching us do a crew change from their front yard across the road and were waving. Once we left, we went over and gave them all a few cans of pop and orange juice we had in a cooler. The one kid kept asking "can we please go for a ride?" And we were like "sorry we can't do that, you have to work for the railway to ride in the cab." And also told them not to go near there because it can be very dangerous. I'm sure it made their day nonetheless though and their mom was smiling a lot. Having two young kids myself, it kind of hits a guy in the feelers. Any time we are in that yard, we always give them a couple quicks blasts of the horn and a big wave if we see them outside. If people wave from an adjacent road while we are moving, big wave and a couple toots on the horn. We follow the rules, but we are still human.
If your on public property, just keep on filming. Some people don't like being filmed and maybe they aren't in the right job. Anything you can see from public property is fair game.
It is understandable they may not like being filmed. With RUclips, someone in management can just happen to pull it up, see the date, recognize the person and with the unit number find something wrong taking place and discipline administered. I think it would be slim to none to happen, but not unavoidable either. In the old railroad lingo "They hire you just to fire you".
I retired from CSX w/35 yrs service in Transportation, and never spoke a bad word to anyone filming our movement, but if your going to throw rocks at employees remember one thing. If your caught you will be tried under Federal Laws and not state.
Do a lot of people throw rocks at trains ,I mean at the Engine ?
@@benmussolini2284 ya ever been to Mexico?? Lol
@@AbelG8781 No ,but I think ill pass on going there in case they are doing cars also.yikes
I was happily filming once on a railroad crossing kind of too close to the industry
The train stopped and the engineer came too our car and asked me to go for a ride with them
Next time I saw them they gave me train hats
And every time they see me now they blow their horn and say hi
Best time of my life
I saw a CSX GE AC6000CW at the beginning, but it was a bummer you got kicked out.
All honesty, guys, he just doesn't want to see anybody get hurt.
Engineer is pissed off because the engine he is driving looks like a '72 pinto!
that's a good point , very funny t oo
XD how the hell does a GE locomotive resemble a 1972 pinto?!?! XD
*EMD locomotive
This is nothing compared to a crappy GE loco.
Gametrain Productions ge isn’t crappy
@@kyleb06 My fault. Thought the engineer was in the GE locomotive at the start of the video.
It's a good thing that Ford in the final scene got stopped at the crossing! Otherwise he could have been a mile up the road before he realized he was going in the wrong direction :-D
He didn't even yell. He just said to back up. There are other things he could have done worse.
The engineer was quite polite in how he said it. Obviously someone does not know the difference between softly getting your point across and real 'yelling.' Join the Marines and let a DI instruct you when you screw up if you want true 'yelling.' LOL!
Many people like trains. It is normal to have engineers yell at you and people calling the cops. People are so sensitive these days. One lady called the cops on me because I put a penny on the track. And the cop said I did nothing wrong. I have had some engineers wave me away from the tracks even though I'm not super close. They just want you to be safe.
Very nice video!
I subscribed!
All best from Romania!
ALIN
The reason they did not want to be Video recorded is cause if they Make a Mistake and you catch it on film they will get fired
Totally agree with the UP crew they weren't yelling at you to be asses they were doing their job safety first.
I've been courteously warned off the edge of roadbeds by sympathetic track maintenance workers, honked at furiously by engineers when I was walking up the center of the track and didn't look up fast enough (not twice!), even pursued by police for standing down in a cut six feet from the track with a tripod set-up -- they have a point, the occasional track crosser is one thing, but too much pedestrian activity on the roadbed itself just increases the risk that somebody will get hit. Certainly, enough deer get smashed on the line to demonstrate how harsh it is to be hit - once on the local main line a coywolf got cut clean in half, one half on either side of the rail - I do sympathize with grafitti artists though
The UP and Santa Fe engineers and track workers are always seem real nice to railfans and photographers here in California, because they know railfans have respect for the danger of trains. They just don't like people aimlessly walking down the tracks wearing headphones or people running across the tracks in front of trains to get to the beach on the coastal routes, A town north of Los Angeles holds the record for the highest number of train verse pedestrian deaths in the nation, most are drunk homeless people (wearing their headphones) or suicides. They have a special UP Police train that goes along the coastal track a couple times year with local police to arrest all the homeless people that camp along the tracks, I want to get a video of it next time from a bridge that has a perfect view
@Csx4848 This is Shortline Yard in Des Moines, Iowa operated by Union Pacific with Iowa Interstate trackage rights. Also thanks for the compliment & watching! Much appreciated!
+Milepost414 Productions What is so wrong about being a railfan? We are always kicked out of everywhere when most times we are actually on public property. It's happened to me once or twice. How many for you?
Exactly, why not kick out the kids who actually disrupt their job by train hopping and trespassing. It's a shame, and I've been told to leave probably 6 or 7 times while I have been railfanning.
It is a disgrace that we are so hated on. Most times, the train crews don't care though, in fact, the amtrak crews are generally very nice!
I don't blame this train crew, they are kicking you out for own safety, I'm a conductor for a shortline here in Georgia and if I see someone that I feel is endangering their selves or irritating me they are getting booted away. Nothing wrong with what this crew did, you were too close anyways.
I guess this person is a little close.
The engineers don't wave from the trains anymore not like they did back in 1954.
I don't know, the engineer didn't lose his shit, he just wanted you to get off of, more than likely, private property. This is dangerous work. Untrained personnel do not belong near the right of way. He did you a favor.
I really don't think you need to be trained to be around trains I don't know how being employed by the railroad would make any difference just common fucking sense and paying attention.
Where do you film at? I usually film near the back of the Ex-Guard building, and they just say "If I'm behind the electric pole, I'm fine to film."
This is why I prefer railfanning Regionals like Reading and Northern...
Damn railroads, they think they own all that they can see, in all directions. He's probably worried you'll get something he's doing wrong, and somebody will see it that matters.
In the last clip that guys like nope I ain’t waiting
I think it's absolutely amazing that so many of u rail fans know and even acknowledge the fact that this is UP yard territory...yet nobody is acknowledging that this guy is trespassing. I'm not sure where yard property lines begin but I'd be pissed off if I saw somebody who was clearly not a RR employee INSIDE yard limits. U can get all the footage u want (at a safe distance) from the mainline. If u decide to "set up shop in my backyard"... I'm going to call PD and have u removed from the property. As a yard engineer, I am switching back and forth all day long. Not only am I required to be aware of my surroundings 100% of the time, but I'm actually looking for danger...and my conductor expects me to operate quickly despite anybody who is working within our vicinity.... especially during inclimate weather. The yard is no place for someone who is simply an onlooker.
I completely understand what you're saying and where you're coming from. I should have been kicked out if i were on their property, but I wasn't tresspassing nor was I on someone elses private property. I wouldn't have been mad had they kicked me out on THEIR own property, but I wasn't, I was on public property. If an accident were to happen and I ended up injured, the railroad wouldn't have been liable, I would have been. There are many issues between railroad employees and railfans today, but there is no argument to be made if someone is on public property because public property is welcome to anyone no matter the circumstances. Thanks for watching.
P.S. and you sometimes have to watch your conductor because he/she might be someone that might be new to the yard/job or just might be a Horse$@#& conductor.
rr need to be turned into roads and you ass holes sqwating every ones land need to fuck off
that engineer should quit his job.he obviously dont like trains.railroad employees that yell at railfans like that obviously dont like trains and shouldnt work for railroads
Dude, it's a job. Most railroaders just want to do their work and get their paycheck. It's not glamorous and few railroaders get into it because they love trains. And working for the railroad will make you HATE railroading.
So what's the big deal that you were there regardless of taking pics or not!
It's one thing if ur On UP property then they have every right but if you are off the land that's completely fine
Nice! Man that sucks you got kicked out.
Thanks! Yeah it kinda stinks & gets old after a while, thats the 5th time I have been forced to leave for filming.
Joeme s haha yeah, thanks for watching, much appreciated!
I've heard of railfans being harassed by UP employees at Short Line before. Not sure what the big deal was, it wasn't like you were standing right next to the tracks. Great video nonetheless!
Thanks for the comment Bobby! Yeah it has gotten to the point to where I am just use to it by now. Anyways, thanks for watching! Much appreciated.
Bobby Harvey UP employees are well known to be rude, especially compared to BNSF. I have a friend who works for RailCrew Xpress, and a BNSF crew actually stopped for him and waved at a crossing in a yard, we bet that if it was a UP crew that definitely wouldn't have happened.
If I want to see any train action, I have to drive about 15 miles to the nearest grade crossing. It's on a rural road, but there can be a lot of action there. So far I have never parked there and waited for trains. I've been afraid the police would question me, if they saw me there, thinking I was up to no good. This story merely makes me even more hesitant. It's too bad this country is turning into a police state, but it sure seems to be. Of course, this is exactly what the terrorists want: to get people afraid, irrational, and alter their lives and eliminate activities that we all used to enjoy without giving any of them a thought. I'm glad I remember a much better time.
That is the union pacific yard in milwaukee wisconsen
It's actually the Union Pacific yard in Des Moines, IA
nice video and great catch of all the train's in your video.
Thanks for watching!
Milepost414 Productions your welcome and you should check out my new video's on my channel
Some strange vibes from them today huh?
Hahaha yeah, they definitely went a little over the top, thanks for watching! Much appreciated.
Probably woke up on the wrong side of the floor today.
why would some one want to shout out of a train ? its just stupid as dont they have to shout louder then the engine ?
I worked for UP in the day and the engineer was correct to tell you camera guys to back up or leave. You all were to close to the working trains and it is a huge safety risk for you to be that close. Even the yard I worked in we could not approach the train until it was completely stopped and the yard crew were given the all clear on the radio.
What location was this filmed at? Thanks
I agree with the engineer. As an engineer, I know there is nothing more scary than people who aren't employees runninh around the tracks, because you don't know where I'm going, and I don't know where you're going. Also, that engineer was as polite as he could have been while trying to get the point across from that distance.
Dylan Barber yes Railfanning in yards it's dangerous and the crew don't know what your doing they may think you are planning to derail a locomotive
The photographer was standing in one spot with a tripod presumably off RR property. How is that running around the tracks? They would have had a very bad day in store for them if they tried that BS with me.
How do you spell p-a-r-a-n-o-i-a? That's the psychological diagnosis of what you describe here.
We people who love trains or like trains do not fancy getting hit by a train.
Dylan Barber. I know. I was waiting for him to be a real ass hat and all he said was "hey guys" and pointed. lol hardly yelling or being cranky. Stop being sensitive people. hahaha
Thanks for posting this. But you already know that rail yards are dangerous places, so I'm not telling you anything new by writing here that the engineer was engaging in "an excess of caution" (as we say nowadays) in alerting you to leave. People who do not work around trains every day are not aware how silently a large loco can creep upon the unwary, causing death and injury.
Again, thanks for posting this video. It shows the very busy (and dangerous) place a rail yard can be.
He wasn't in the yard. Or on the rr property.
Interesting, usually when I railfan crews are pretty nice. But you always run into that one person. Nonetheless great vid!
Thanks for watching! & Yeah, its ridiculous how many railroad employees that I have been talked to by. Anyways, much appreciated!
I agree with both sides to a point as I am a rail fan and railroad employee. if the videographer was indeed on private property don't you think that the crew men standing by the highrail would have said something. On the other hand there was no fence and that could raise some concerns as a railroad employee, However again the videographer was static while filming. If he had been moving around constantly that would have been a red flag. All I can say is keep filming trains as railroad employee's and rail fans alike enjoy the entertainment
I understand the railroads safety concerns and I some railroads has had trouble with vandalism but as long as fans are not on railroad property I don't think there's anything they can do about filming the trains
The property usually extends to the road.
Actually they can. After 9/11 theres a lot they can do. Railroads are considered points of interest by Homeland security. They can make your life difficult if they want.
Some of the comments in here from SUPPOSED rail fans are really surprising to me. I rail-fanned for many years, and have I ever been yelled at by RR employees? Yes, I have, because they did not know me, and I did not know them.
However, many times I did get the opportunity to meet with and talk with the crews that had yelled at me, including the RR cops too.
I do have a little advantage because I grew up in a railroading family, I do know my way around trains and I know how to be safe around them, and how far back I need to stay away from the rails to avoid injury in case a train would derail. And depending on speed, even a football field may not be far enough back to keep from getting hit from flying debris or a derailing cars wheels or even a rail cars body that may be hurtling right at you.
Most RR crews when they yell at you, it is because of, and for your own safety. Can some be overdoing it a bit, yes, but they do it because IT IS THEIR JOB to keep THEIR TRAIN AND THEIR CREW SAFE as well as anyone else that they feel may be too close, just in case something would happen to cause injury or death to someone that perhaps should not be in that location.
Yard limits and switch yards are NOT the same as many public access areas, the railroad owns more land further out from where switch yards are than at a passenger station where many people can be very stupid around trains coming and going.
I can not count the number of times I've heard the station master at an Amtrak passenger depot yell over the loudspeaker for people to stand WAY BACK from the tracks, not just behind the "yellow line", but at least 15-20 feet back from them when a freight train would be about roll by.
I was at an Amtrak passenger Station one night when a freight came through and the metal bands on one of the cars broke and was flailing all over the place one night.
Station was closed and there were people watching the train and I had to scream at them to move back away and OFF the platform. That metal band hit the benches, the metal support beams and even flicked up track rock ballast as it went along.
That was very dangerous and if I hadn't of yelled at people to get back and off that platform, they probably would have been cut in half and definitely killed or severely injured, losing an arm, leg or again, life.
And yes, I always had the railroads number in my cell phone, always knew the milepost I was at, and always called and informed them if I ever saw something odd or wrong along a train that wouldn't normally be caught until they rolled over a defect detector, which could be several miles up the line.
Anyway I had gotten to talk to many of these crew members so many of you call names at because they "yelled at you". but at least when I talked to them, they got to know me and I them, they then knew I knew how to be safe around trains and yards, and to stay as far back as possible when filming depending on speed and location I was filming at.
Sadly there are a lot of idiot railfans out there that do dangerous things around tracks, I've seen it and so have the train crews. These are the ones that make it more difficult for those of us that try to do things safely and correctly, and do know how to do it safely around these locations and trains.
But if the crew does not know you, and you refuse to take an opportunity to chat with them{if the opportunity arises, and many times it does and will}, then you're only making it worse for not only yourself, but those of us that are doing the right thing at the rails when filming their trains.
And you are also making yourself look the fool by being rude to train crews that are ONLY WATCHING OUT FOR YOUR OWN SAFETY! Again, IT IS THEIR JOB to make sure folks are not doing things they shouldn't be or in areas where you do not have the RR's permission to be in!
I'm sure this will garner some heated responses, but it doesn't matter how much heat you toss my way, at least I stated what needs to be stated on this argument, and I will always support the train crews position over anyone insulting them for just doing their job.
Watch! those trains might jump off those tracks and get you!
No fence between public property en the railway yard?
haha! They didn't like it! Nice video though I saw that leaser down there a couple of months a go.
Yeah, some of the railroad employees there seem to never be happy, & sweet, did you get it on film?
Some engineers need diapers. He is one of them
If you are in public land then tell em go GOAN. Why shift when you are in the right? Unless you have a guilty conscious.
I think that he told you to leave in a nice way.
I do not know how many feet from the centerline of track they own by measuring in towards the ground as of feet of U.S.A. rail. In Canada, it's 100 feet from the center of the middle of track towards the land. So then if you are not on the railroad property, what the hell can they do as of filming? Get a camera with long lens to bring things in close from a distance, that will solve the problem.
I don't blame him one bit
Same. He wasn't being a jerk about it. Guy looked like he was on property anyway.
the mow workers didn't have a problem with him there so why is the engineer being a dick I would have told him FU lol
Lol
I would of ignored him and got closer the railroads don't even know where or they make up whatever property lines they want anyways they would still tell you your trespassing even if you're not pass the sign.
I would not call that cranky, he was just telling you to back away from the tracks. I wouldnt want someone right there either. Also, you may have been on railroad property, i dont know anywhere you can get so close to a yard
3:41 somebody didn’t wanna wait for train to cross lol
You are lucky he was that nice. Railroads do NOT like when their men are filmed working on the ground. It makes them very nervous that you are trying to catch them messing up.
What sucks about being filmed is that the instant you mess up, a foamer will upload the video to youtube with a title like OOPS!!! RR EMPLOYEE GOOFS UP!!! etc. and you get disciplined so some dillweed can get more views.
When I worked for Union Pacific it wasn't uncommon for locomotive engineers to be banned from operating locomotives due to some sort of disciplinary action by the company. This would last anywhere from a few days to a few months. But the union would demand this person keep working doing something. Typically they would end up back in the engineers seat even though they shouldn't be doing that job. Maybe he wasn't supposed to be operating locomotives. Pretty cool to see the HLMX 1072. I overhauled the engines in those locomotives.
Wrong, if you get pulled out of the engineer's seat you go back to being a trainman for the duration of your punishment. They're not going to get you in trouble then pay you to do nothing.
You got yelled at? I'm sorry you're so sensitive.
I feel like he just ask you to step back... not leave
He did. Foamers get extremely asshurt when a railroad employees asks or tells them to do something because of their entitlement complexes.
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Yes indeed man one of my favorite GE Big guns the CSX CW60AC.
"Mommy the locomotive engineer yelled at meeeeee:'(" Mom: why? Me: because i was standing way to close to their yard. Mom: Idiot Me: but why'd he have to yellllll:'( Mom: Probably because trains are fucking loud as hell?
I'm no expert on RR safety so take this guess with a grain of salt. Perhaps the two workers who boarded the loco were violating a safety rule in entering the loco cab from the front (left side) while there was another train moving on that other track? If that is a no-no, the engineer realized this was being filmed by you and that's why he asked you to move? How's that for a theory?
Well OK then. Does he engineer always sit on the left and the conductor sit on the right? At 1:48 the guy on the left side moves over and says something to the guy sitting on the right. Then the guy on the right said to move back. It was the guy on the left who wanted the rail fan to move. That's my interpretation.
Well I don't disagree with the engineer Union Pacific has no trespassing signs that indicates their property for a reason. And that reason is for the public's safety since if non Union Pacific worker got injuried or killed on their property they would be completely reliable for it. And Union Pacific, BNSF Railway, CSX, Norfolk Southern, etc they don't mind that you take pictures or videos as long as you're not their property and at a safe distance.
Just ask them what they're trying to hide.
When I was up there they Said I could get inside the cab of a SD70M. The crews were nice at the time to.
Seriously?! Wow, thats pretty sweet, how long ago was this?
2-3 years ago.
If I was on public property I would have stayed put. No reason whatsoever to move. You were obviously no danger to them by standing in one place while you were making zero attempts at interfering. Screw them with their pretend enforcement powers.
Uh..............sure. But be certain you ARE on public property, and not the railroad. Railroad police ARE police, not rent-a-cops with full powers of arrest. Don't assume you can mouth off at them without any problem, cuz, even if they are wrong at the time, if you get smart they *might* still find a reason to take you into custody. Just be careful!@
I would just pretend he isn't there. If you're on public property, he can kiss your ass - he's not the sheriff and I think it is perfectly legal to take photos of trains.
what is a csx doing at union pacific
CSX stopped by for a cup of coffee and a doughnut in the roundhouse cafe....
I’m not to surprised most railroad company’s in America either work together and or they start to merge that’s pretty common from my opinion
As an engineer he should appreciate train buffs. Harmless standing there outside the yard taking videos. He's just a grump ass! Watched too many videos forced on him post 9-11!
Would you like being filmed at work everyday?
Foamers give the train a free roll by.
If they aren't doing anything wrong, they have nothing to fear, Cessna.
Let RAILROADERS give the roll-bys.
With all the craziness in the world today, when someone in an engine sees someone at the side of the track, they don't know what that person will do - shoot a photo or shoot a gun.
So, they should assume anyone near the track has nefarious intent? Treat everyone like shit?
Put yourself in their shoes. What if you saw someone standing beside your driveway at home waiting for you to drive your car by them. Would you wave at them or try to avoid them? Would you call the police? What if you saw someone standing by the entrance to where you work? Would you be friendly or suspicious?
you're not even close with that stupid reasoning, you're mixing apples and oranges. is some stupid junk toyota backing out of a driveway even close to the same thing as a railroad video?
trainguy, it IS the same. If you are approaching some unknown person, and you are in a train engine or a Toyota pickup, and they are standing in a place where people don't normally stand, don't you wonder what they're up to, especially with all the crimes you read about these days?
yes, i agree with you if it is being done to you or me personally, but come on. we all know about railfans and taking videos. has the engineer ever been shot at or threatened by railfans taking videos? thanks for replying .it was interesting. maybe we'll chat again sometime. have a good day.
I dont have a problem with people being out there..As long as there safe and not interfering..Those cars derail fast and nobody outruns them...
M.O.W
He is not bad lol, but you are at fault for trespassing. But nice catch on the SD40T-2
Nice GP15-1's haha had to edit that
Its fine, & yeah they were some nice GP15's, thanks for watching!
If you are filming while standing on "public" property, and somebody "yells" at you for no apparent reason, tell him to go perform an impossible sex act. If you are someplace you shouldn't be, get outa there.
i dont see anyone yelling or a cranky engineer
i hear these as hole sorry sob's blow thier horn to annoy good people in thier houses rail road can suck my fucking cock
You were illegally trespassing on railroad property, I would have yelled at you to leave to
he was not yelling at you he was talking over the engine
Cool video! Man that's bullshit, you guys obviously did nothing wrong. Some railroad employees are nothing but close-minded jerks! They need to realize that we are proud to be railfans and we have nothing against them!
Yeah I agree Shawn, it is ridiculous how I am forced to move while doing my hobby, but I guess that how it is post 9/11.
Milepost414 Productions Well, they can't force you to move off of public property. Assuming that was public property, but their property often extends to the road. You were very close to their trucks, so I bet you were technically on their property.
Union Pacific ... may the train driver was just a bit UP himself that day ?
Unfortunately, holding an attitude like that is exactly what our enemies. what us to believe. As railroaders we are responsible for handling Commuters, poisons, and flammable materials all of which can cause much harm and damage to lives and property. And, i really don't take light to the recent threat that is in my territory i operate in.As a railroader/railfan i understand both sides of the argument. When it comes to the safety of others,myself and as a condition of employment, i'm staying vigilant.
Well said "Bruce" !! I also work for a railway and am a Railfan, people need to realise they are filming people at their work place, something most of us would find uncomfortable. Filming mainline stuff is fine but in yards you are closer to the guys working so a bit of respect is needed, (from both sides) !
Stay safe out there.
Cheers Gregg.
right or wrong,its easier to show a little respect every now and then-- this is not a hill to die on is it???
I'm a railfan and I enjoy taking trackside photos and videos. But, how does someone in the cab know what I'm up to when I'm close to the tracks?
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Wow. Just Wow. I Have a Friend Who Works UP. He Is Incredibly Nice. But I go to the BNSF Northtown Yard and The Engineers are Very Friendly. If You Wave They Honk The Horn. And UP and CP Work The Yard ALL THE TIME. I Have Never Really Had Any Problems Execpt When I Was Younger, Some Idiot Thought Was Doing $ui¢ide. (I was not) We Are Just Railfans. Mind Your Own Business. We Are Not Causing Trouble.
Departure Honks and nice K3LA at 2:11
Seems to be a common occurrence with the UP. The Milwaukee, WI yard employees are really particular on where a person is too. I understand that some people may cause problems but when they see that we (Rail fans) aka FRN ( Fu**ing Rail Nuts ) are just there enjoying powerful technology, I don't get how we cause problems.. Good avdertising and public relations for them then too.. Great video tho ! !
Yeah, I agree with everything you said. We dont mean any harm to them or their company, we are just doing are hobby, I am sure they would understand if they would be stopped from do their hobby day in & out. Anyways, thank you! Much appreciated.
Some of my "rules of railfanning" that I have been drafting
3 Shut up and deal with it (that means you railroad employee)
4 validation for railfanning:
a. The three T's: Railfans protect from trespassers terrorists and broken track
b. To make sure employees are doing their job
c. Free roll by inspection
d. Free advertising
e. First amendment to the U.S. Constitution
That sums it up well, but also if people in today's world are going to get up in arms about people with cameras- mind you that many railfans are shy and socially awkward people looking for a purpose- then they don't deserve a respectable job at a railroad. They work in public: railroads are in full view of most other places in a city or town. If they aren't comfortable with people being around I don't know how they deal with relatives. They might not like you standing on the edge of their land, but it's not "their" land, it belongs to the railroad. Employees may be introverted pessimistic people who aren't open to being generous, but that's all right because when they retire us railfans can take over and set the record straight by being kind human beings. That's all we ask railroad employees: just follow rule 3, because we are here to rule 4!
this is why you dont film in yards
You could be further back and zoom in with your camera. In all honesty I believe you were borderline on being railroad yard property based on how close the trucks were to you. The conductor was nervous and felt you were putting yourself in harms way. They yelling was not mean spirited. He most likely had to yell because of the distance and the noise from the train. I worked at a roller coaster and anyone not authorized to be in the area would be ejected from the park. Please be careful!
Trainmen do appreciate railroad enthusiasts, but don't want to kill anyone any more than you want to die (although there are many people who commit suicide by train). Regardless, an engineer never forgets killing someone & many of them have a hard time getting back in that seat after running over someone (even if it wasn't the engineer's fault). And engineer's are always warry of people near the track (even railroad employees because anyone can make a mistake or do something irrational in a dangerous situation - trains can be very intimidating, especially at high speeds). Also, if the train derails for some reason, cars can stack up & often get thrown a good distance from the tracks.
What's wrong with people?
I wonder if there are any rules from Homeland Security that restrict photos of infrastructure and transportation subjects. Kinda like taking pictures of buildings.
What did they think you were doing? Spying on them?
Pam Alford It's creepy as hell! No one wants to be watched and filmed at work! Foamers are creepy! I don't go to your job and film you.
Pam, its' proper courtesy to ask permission to photograph if people are going to be in the shots. It doesn't matter whether your on public domain or not. Many recorder's violate this rule, albeit unintentionally.
Hey Cam and Paul, Too bad!!! Trains are Large and Cool and that is what the appeal is. Nobody is out there photographing postal workers or walmart trucks.
PS: The cab window is so small in proportion to the overall size of the locomotive that Nobody can make out who the Engineer is anyway. Ask permission? Better to ask Forgiveness than permission.
Denniss7420 ugh! I loath you foamers. You are truly the creepiest people in the world. Yes, it is trespassing. Most of the time when you believe you're on public property. You're not. Most railways own 100 or more feet from the rail. No one likes you, we all find you weird. No trains are not cool. We don't care how much you know. I know how to drive a train. You know how to creep people out. Go find a real hobby
Nobody gives two shits what you think. If it is railroad property then they need to put up signs or GTFO.
"Creep", Sheesh Dude - Why not throw in an "Awkward" while your at it. You sound like a chick.
And WTF is "We" ?
Which yard is this? Cool catches
let him yell, its still a good video.
I agree, and thanks! I appreciate it.
Use it for INSPIRATION for a compilation video " Train drivers yelling me ... " and update it annually ... The 2017 Train Drivers who yelled at me compilation ..."
It's OK ... no charge for the idea ;-) You can buy me a beer next time yer filming here in NZ ;-)
You should have sense enough to understand that train and yard crews have enough to worry about with you injecting your self into an already dangerous mix as something else needing. to be watched
At least it wasn't a girl playing engineer.
Honestly mang if someone from the railroad tells ya to take off ya should. They dont know where youre going so it just adds stress to them.
Give him the finger
xxMineVSCraftxx Gaming & Railfanning How to NOT make friends with crews 101
I'm not there to make friends with them.
no. if the crew is rude. why the hell you wanna be friends with them?
like if your friend at school cussed at you or fought you. you'd wanna stay away from em for a few days. not say HEY! you were very fucking rude to me! wanna be friends?! that ain't how life works!
ironmatic 1 and your a minecraft geek
Um, I have a Minecraft avatar from several years ago. I didn't know that makes me a "Minecraft geek".
yeah. He whats you to get up out his trap house.
Hey, can I come to your job and follow you around and film you?
I see a lot of these guys posting negative comments that are or at least claim to be engineers or employed by a railroad in some fashion. Not to be rude, but you guys seem like a bunch of angry pissed off people, and really seem to hate your jobs. I just have to ask, if you hate your job so much, why don't you just quit and go do something else? Then thousands of people like me who actually want to do the job could take your place. I'm sure management would like to deal with people who enjoy coming to work over a bunch of whiners and complainers coming in everyday and talking about how much their life and or job sucks. I decided at a very young age that this was the only industry I ever wanted to build a career in and even if I have to travel across the country and spend thousands to get the training, I wont stop trying until I succeed. I guess since I've had to pour sweat, blood, and tears to get each of the few good things I have in life, I just don't get how people who get so lucky or have great things handed to them can treat them in such a disposable way, or have no appreciation for them at all. Blows my mind really.
To be honest, most railroaders hate their job. You have absolutely no life. You can't go to your kids games, almost never home for Christmas, you can't even join a simple dart league. Everyone is just putting in their time for the pension. Another thing that stresses the crew out is the railroad cops called the FRA, they drive around in unmarked cars wearing plain clothes and document everything you do with cameras. "Sound Familiar?" If they catch you doing anything wrong, you might as well forget about your pension and find a new job, that is if you don't end up in jail first. Every time I see a rail fan, I immediately think they are FRA.
Statistically only about 1/2 of rail fans are undercover FRA employees.
Hey Donald, how great is it now? Lol.
Yell right back at the jerk.