Self-Parking Tesla Vision v Hyundai Ioniq 5 with remote parking v BMW i3 - still a Tesla Fail?
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Our first video with some self-parking cars was very popular (click this link or copy and paste if you havent seen it: • Self-Parking cars Tesl... ) and Tesla didn't do too well.... AP1 was OK but AP2/Enhanced Autopilot with FSD didn't do very well at all.
But now Tesla have changed to use Tesla Vision Autopilot and here we get to see that self parking aspect of that in action. Can they redeem themselves? Can they now self-park better?
Well we did say when we get more self parking cars we would do another video so here i have 3 electric vehicles with self parking so lets run antoher test, and this time it includes Tesla Vision! This is, as we discover no longer using the prking sensor and relies purely of the "vision" from its cameras and presumably it builds up some kind of 3d modelling of its surroundings.
Have a watch and see for yourself. BUt also with this we have the i3. OK, its an older car and not as sophicated but as it has the self parking feature lets try it.
And then we have the Ioniq 5 project 45. This has self parking but also remote parking so it can park itself without even being in the car. It is simply operated from the key!
So have fun and let me know what you think. I think its just quicker to park it yourself....
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I have to say, the Hyundai parking software looks fantastic. Confident and user friendly. Three thumbs up.
Bro telsa can fully self drive... hyundai can't 😆🤣😂😹
@@ebonix33 if it dives as it parks then I wouldn't get too proud of it...
Until you show it a roundabout. I shit myself the first time I was still doing 30 about 50m out!
Sorry, comment was for Ebonix33
Hyundai auto park is there from 10 year ago in santafe, auto park is old technology and Tesla just get a hang of it now?
The i3 did a nice job, but it really doesn't need auto park since it's so short, has great visibility, and a super-tight turning radius.
This. As soon as you are used to that deeeep dashboard in front of you, you can park it with eyes closed. Well almost. Auto parking is even better if you mind this design is 15 years old and comes without any radar. Which is also the reason why the i3 cruise control is rather bad.
@@wreckage-vs5jv My i3 has radar cruise, I think it depends on the year, country it's sold in or options.
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Never had an issue using active cruise control in an i3 regardless if its camera based or radar based.. Interesting that Tesla now have camera based active cruise control but doesn't get criticized for it.
@@robertsaca3512 Er, no it doesn't. No matter the country, options or MY. The black&white VGA camera got a minor update that's it. It turns of when blinded by the sun, fog, rain and many other occasions. It's wasn't even state of the art when the i3 came out.
It actually needs auto-park more than a much longer car. It's customer base is mostly women. They need to add perpendicular and diagonal parking assist ASAP!!!!
As a owner of two Teslas (one for me the other for my wife), the switch to "Tesla Vision" only is a step back and making parking, unparking some kind of gambling. Works one day, the other day fails, the other day even starts. It "might" can work if tesla adds new wide-angle hi-res cams to get a real 360° field of view, but you cannot apply this to current models. I do like to drive my M3P thats for sure but a lot of changes in the past and the fact that sign recon is still unusuable, FSD is non-existing outside beta tests in the US, its hard to argue to buy a Tesla these days. Wrong focus on the software development - cars have matrix-ish lights since 2 years but still crappy auto high-beam with no masking at all. I know Elon wants the M3 to be "robot taxis" one day BUT to be honest, not with the current platform/tec.
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Elon doesn’t want robotaxis: he just wants your money. If you watch any of the FSD videos on RUclips, you definitely would not buy it. And if Tesla lies about the obvious things you have to realize they lie about so much more, which brings us back to how Elon doesn’t want robotaxis he just wants your money.
Yeah, I think Teslas are badly made for the price. Lots of features but also lots to go wrong, the door seals fail, electric locks fail and parking is just a gimmick. They sell because everyone thinks Elon is a genius and has much brain. If you just apply critical thinking to his ideas, they fall apart. I think he could be the next billionaire collapse.
Fully agree. I have a 2019 M3 70-Panssonic AWD Freemont, my wife a 2022 M3 60-kWh CATL LFP Shanghai with heatpump. Backlog 4 Model Y for my company/employees, but really thinking about canceling this order, because they "stole" the USS compared to my order placed in June 2022. 🤬
@@Stefan_Dahn Right. I plan to order a Model S Plaid in 2023 but If they strip the USS there too, I do not order or refuse to take the car as soon as I see no USS on it.
Ioniq 5 is just a beauty.
It is.
Future
I wish they would have continued making the i3. Unique and great EV.
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Yeah.. It still sold nearly 10k units in Germany this year.
Tesla's Autopark hasn't actually been updated since it's release, it isn't using the Full Self-Driving or any modern Tesla AI features. The big push for FSD v11 is to finally have "Actually Smart Summon" and Smart Autopark added to the Tesla Vision AI system.
I was looking for this reply, a lot of people don't understand that the software of a tesla runs at different versions depending on what it is doing. Also, Tesla is using an AI approach to self-parking and other companies are using an algorithmic approach so technically in my opinion it is very hard to compare the two products because they are so vastly different because of that fact.
Regardless, it is embarrassing that it sucks so much and hasn’t been updated for so long, Tesla completely disregarded this feature, I have had 0 luck with it since I bought my model Y, come on, it’s a $60K+ car, there is no excuse.
@@Diastolicflame as long as it parks itself. litterally no one but tesla fanboys care if its parking with an algo or ai. Or done with cameras or radar or lidar or any other sensors you can think of. The only thing that a consumer cares about is, does my car consistently park itself. How it gets there is completely irrelevant.
@@dv5466 According to Mr.Musk, they are working on updating the autopark feature along with Smart Summon. So I actually hope it doesn't suck upon release.
@@Diastolicflame Apple built its empire on the premise of "it just works", and Tesla built its on often empty promises and belief in some future all-powerful AI, which should use the 8 low-res cameras in Tesla and make a miracle out of them. I don't believe Tesla Vision will get much better in the future. It is obvious that they have been suffering from diminishing returns with their model for a long time and for some greater progress, a new NN model and new hardware (better cameras) would be needed. But time will tell...
The reason for the bigger distance from the curb when parking the Hyundai remotely, is because you'd probably use it in a space where it wouldn't be comfortable exiting the car. Therefore, the car parks further away, so that you can get in when you need to leave. It would be interesting to try remote parking with the driver's seat away from the curb to see what happens then.
Big thumbs up for the Hyundai. On vision only, I will be a bit concerned on hazy weather (you have a lot in UK) and when there are poles in the parking lot (yes, the small ones that even humans hit a lot). Nice demonstration and good looking Tesla!
Vision should have no issues in fog, as if you can see, so can the car (and much better in all directions). In san francisco FSD does remarkably well.
@@rickkay9548 I will challenge that in foggy conditions where human does not see! My previous car with a “basic” adaptive cruise control based on radar was breaking when there was a mess ahead but not visible with human eyes (personal experience). I would expect Tesla to do the same based on radar but I doubt that will be the case on vision only…
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Parking sensors also tend to not "see" small poles. Always be very careful around them, not matter which system. But yes, the Hyundai system look great.
@@DerKatzeSonne cameras tend to see better as they have full field of view that doesnt have gaps
Interesting but what I find so weird is that my 2016 Toyota Auris does parallel parking perfectly 9,8/10 times. You have to control the brake but it can easily park in spaces that are just a tad bit bigger than the car and always parks like a pro (e.g. space to the curb).
Same with my 2010 Prius…
@@AlfTunheim Toyota engineering lol
That's the thing. Self parking is actually old tech. One of the first if not the first implementation is in the 3rd gen Lexus LS.
And here we have Tesla trying to reinvent the wheel to make it worse like using cameras as rain sensors (wipers).
Yeah, it's really weird that my old Opel Astra parks better than a brand new Tesla. Maybe ditching the sensors wasn't that good an idea, Elon...
@sourand jaded They probably just train the AI with dataset of Tesla drivers, so feeding garbage in, garbage out lol
I've been told by a Czech Hyundai salesperson the reason it tucks the front wheel closer to the curb is to protect the side mirror from a traffic collision. It intentionally brings it out of parallel so the folded mirror is a few inches further from passing cars.
1. Hyundai
2. BMW
3. Tesla
Yep. That's about right. I do own an i3 but I honestly think it was better the Tesla - less messing about and worked for the parallel parking every time. In fact I use the feature on my i3 every day and it's been fine so far. No scraped wheel rims either, although my kerb is fairly low. Mine does struggle at times with an awkwardly positioned street light. It might be worth trying with an obstacle like that.
Wish mine did perpendicular parking, but no.
As I own an i3, I'm going to point out that based on second hand pricing, the i3 wins by miles on parking effectiveness per pound. It must be not far off ⅓ the price of the other two.
You should try one of the Mercedes EQ cars. Mercedes autopark uses the 360 camera and radar to find a space. It actively looks for the white parking space lines. The best system I've ever used.
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Why test cars nobody can actually afford?
This is fascinating. My 2008 Merc A-class parallel parks itself very well.
Tesla fan and owner here. Auto Parking SUCKS so hard in Tesla...
It is pretty embarrassing
Hi Richard
Checking out the MY Owners manual it says the following, maybe this is why the M3 wouldn’t perpendicular park in your test?- great work as always 👍
“The parking space must have at least three visible lines for the vehicle to park into, such as parking lines, road markings, or distinct curbs. Autopark may not work in a garage, for example, without three visible parking lines.
Autopark may not work with textured road surfaces such as cobblestone or brick.”
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Thats pathetic :/
Oh well. The magic of vision autopark. It can detect curbs (as opposed to the "stupid" ultrasonic based systems) but it seemingly won't work in a scenarios such as shown in the video :/ (yet)
@@DerKatzeSonne the „stupid“ systems use cameras too… (not all but many)
@@saladien9987 really? though the autopark features were only based on USS (and the cameras were just used for other features)
I just joined the Tesla fan club but it's good seeing this stuff. I now have a financial bias in hoping TSLA improves at a faster rate but i underestimated some strengths of their competitors tech so thx for this.
I see this a lot from people that have only ever owned cheaper cars with low spec trims and then got a Tesla. Tesla includes a lot as standard like cameras, wireless charging, heated seats, auto opening doors, air con and more advanced things like driver assistance and connected app which is nice, but the reality is that other cars (perhaps just in Europe) like Mercedes, BMW, Audi etc. have all had these for 15-20 years in the past if you were willing to pay for them as options (auto park, seat ventilation, matrix LED, 360 camera view etc). Tesla undoubtedly leads by far in charging networks and FSD software, but for the basic features and comfort/finish, Tesla still has a way to go even the Model X and S.
*German speaking here* All three didn't do a correct parallel parking like you learn in (German ;)) driving school. Normally you only need three steps:
1. Steer halfway in the direction of the spot and drive halfway inside the spot.
2. Fully steer the opposite direction and drive until you're parallel inside the spot.
3. Drive forward until you're in the center of the spot.
The cars here tried to wiggle somehow in. BMW was the best but still steered in step three. You only can park inside a tight spot close to the curb if you nail those steps exactly.
Ooo you should see how great teslas autopark is now. I don’t get why so many people think tesla cant do anything
In California, on a hill, you must "curb your wheels," as to keep the vehicle from rolling down the hill if the parking breaks fail. I took my driver's test in San Francisco, and even though the parallel parking part of the test was near flat, I had to turn the wheels into the curb.
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That's not only California.
@@johan.ohgren : But its common sence doing hill parking all over.
@@grr6995 I was refering to how hill parking is done.
Makes sense.
As a few other commentators have already noted: In the Tesla's first attempts, I am very sure that the aborts and hesitant parking were due to the cameraman standing too close to the vehicle. The car obviously wanted to keep more of a safe distance from him. The attempts afterwards worked well.
I am aware that not every simple mind understands my explanation for the vehicle's behaviour. :)
I don’t know what’s wrong with you but maybe someone can help. Bless you!
So that camera man standing still 5 meters behind the car is an issue... but the guy almost touching the car (hand before the parking sensor) is completely ignored. How does that make any sense to you?
Interesting how the i3 is apparently out of its league against a Tesla capable of “creating 3D maps?!!” But not capable of consistently self parking.
Obviously, Tesla is a car for real men. Who don't need assist with anything. While i3 is a cute car for women, they should asap add perpendicular, diagonal and irregular parking assist, otherwise some of its drivers might block the road forever.
@@cinegraphics Real men do not pay for a car of that stature, and consistently get features removed from the car, and paying for features that do not work.
Buy a classis car and drive also without power steering as a real man.
@@danepher I'm actually thinking of removing the steering wheel and installing a helm handle at the rear. Like a Viking.
I'd love to see a comparison with an EQS, their parking assist is one of the best I've used. The optional 360 camera package (reconstructed view) gives it superpowers, so be sure you have it if you care about this feature.
What 360 camera? There is no such thing on a non transparent object. What you are seeing is a computer rendering of the various cameras around the car.
In that sense it is no different from the tesla cameras (maybe they are higher resolution ... i do not know) but in terms of what the sensor suite is made up there is no all seeing 360 degree camera.
For that you would need a drone up high over the car able to capture all its surrounding.
@@DuarteMolha yes, I’m very much aware of this, I’m a research engineer dealing with graphics/CV/ML 😊 - I do understand why you mistook my statement and have edited it.
That’s what the optional reconstruction feature is called on an EQS order sheet though. It’s optional because it includes a few extra cameras for correct overlap and registration for rendering that view. These extra cameras are also used to provide better auto parking features and that’s my point.
PS: I hope you’re aware that Tesla doesn’t do 360 view reconstruction, unlike most of its competitors.
@@ani_b yes... thank you for the correction. Tesla does not have that yet. But for what i have seen of how the FSD computer can render the world around it i doubt it is not comming soon.
Maybe they do need some.additional cameras to the package... but i seriously doubt it.
I have driven in a modern peujeot that had a decent enought 3D view and it dit not have as many cameras and sensors as tesla's
@@DuarteMolha I don’t get the point of the original comment. He was just saying he wants to see a comparison …
@@Nnn30055 the original comment was talking about a 360 degree camera that simply does not exist. The author then corrected the comment to better explain his point making my comment out of context
In 1995, when I was a graduate student for Control Systems, this was a part of my special project and thesis work. I am happy to see it in the market. Everything is the same except the proximity sensors, camera and touch screen.
Great you conduct these experiments - good work. Well done on getting your recent award, thoroughly deserved 🎉🎉
I am not a tesla fanboy but i am pretty sure the car was identifying the cameraman as a pedestrian, this is why it refused to move
I love how this is being treated like some new awesome thing. My f10 series has it. My wife’s 2014 ml350 does it also.
It's funny isn't it. Back in 2006, Lexus demonstrated it. Many cars since then have it.
It’s cuz of Tesla and how they market their cars and their features
It's such a basic feature in Europe, but I noticed in North America you only get it on top trims generally, so perhaps people don't know it exists. Every car I've owned for the last 15 years had a 360 view cameras, sensors and parking assist which parked the car for you! That Tesla can't do it or is even missing the sensors now is crazy, like going back in time.
My 2017 Volt has the parking sensors and I love it, I want it on every car going forward. My 2015 Leaf has a 360 camera but no sensors. It's really handy, but not the same, and no audible warning when you're close. Keep the sensors, it was cost cutting and made the cars worse.
Just a FYI from the manual as to why it failed the perpendicular parking,
Perpendicular Parking • Your driving speed must be below 13 km/h. If driving too fast, Autopark may not be able to accurately detect your desired parking space. • The parking space must be at least 2.2 meters wide. • The parking space must have at least three visible lines for the vehicle to park into, such as parking lines, road markings, or distinct curbs. Autopark may not work in a garage, for example, without three visible parking lines. • Autopark may not work with textured road surfaces such as cobblestone or brick
*Three* visible lines? So it must form a U shape? Well.... that means it can't park in most situations in Europe. Only works in US shopping mall parking.
@@AHBdV "such as parking lines, road markings, or distinct curbs". The third line will most of the time be a distinct curb in Europe, so that will work out in most paved parking lots. However, I often the stone paved parking lots with red stones marking the single parking spots. They are often really hard to see even as a human. Not sure how well it would perform there.
An advantage of this system: It will also be able to park correctly (in well painted lots) when there aren't any cars around or just a single one.
Sadly I feel Tesla is taking backward steps as they are running before they can walk with the vision. My ap1 model s would ace all this every time
I think, considering it’s age, the i3 did an excellent job. Obviously it lacks some features (like perpendicular parking) but all things considered it was pretty good
It was on sale until this year. And it’s a BMW and not cheap at all so the results really weren’t so impressive
@@crestas9 it still did a much better job than Tesla. 😂 It was on sale to fill the gap with iX1 which just finally arrived.
It didn’t make any sense for BMW to add features on it.
and it’s 20K cheaper than Tesla M3.
I have the parking on a 2022 1 series and it works like a charm and it’s super fast.
And it does both parallel and perpendicular parking.
So fast that it scares me a bit even after a year.
@@crestas9
actually, in Germany the i3 is still for sale as a 2022 model and sold nearly 10k units..
I had a 2009 golf plus and it had this feature..when I told my dad and brother inlaw they didn't believe me lol, they tried it and were shocked a car so old had the future..it only did parallel parking though
Hey, that Tesla software was only a few days old. So, it's doing pretty well for its age. I couldn't park a car untill I was 14 years old.
I’ve used my Tesla vision auto park a few times, it works well, normally, but it hates anymore near it. If it sees anyone in the side cameras, it stops. Same with summon. Too cautious…
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Probably because without radar, it can't judge distances precisely. It doesn't know if the person is tall and far or short and close, it most often doesn't have stereographic vision because only one camera can see the person at a time and hence it has to guesstimate relative to the environment and err on the side of caution. Basically, removing the radar was a major mistake.
Why do they all insist on scrubbing the tyres up so much? How hard can it be to tell them to only turn the wheels if the car is moving? Also, let’s not forget that that parking feature is a £3,400 on the Tesla and it can’t even park in a car park. It’s got no chance on the road.
Yep Tesla is crap. Glad i havent paid for it on mine, it seems to try too hard ! Just park the bloody car ! Hyundai far more superior at self parking. Tesla take note !!
I haven’t bought the add on (it does more than parking I think). Given the software updates i’ve had Ain a few months of ownership I’m sure they will get there.
This feature is better developed in the UK as parking spaces in the USA are for bigger cars like F150 truck.
Love these videos.
@@glynn36 before I got my model 3 I had a 2018 Toyota and it parked perfectly every time. It made me nervous how confident it was getting into tiny spaces.
@@jakelaughton683 my partner has a 2014 golf. It parks perfect everytime I dont understand why Tesla are so bad at SP ? Another thing Tesla need to sort is the auto windscreen wipers ! Absolute rubbish.
wow, Ionic5 and looks a beauty in Black. They are like Hens teeth here down under...
released 199 in OZ 2 weeks ago, sold in 15min 😭
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If possible i would love to see a comparison with the MEB Plattform from VW. My ID.3 parks really smooth an confident. And no holding down a button or so.
Great video! Nice to see Tesla working on it! Personally don't do much city driving so don't really use the auto park feature ever on my model 3. However 2022.40.4 was a big improvement for EU AP and Auto high beam :) Also, I actually think the i3 did the best job here! Have been eyeing it out as a second car and this is yet a compelling reason :D
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What if while parking one of other cars moves away?
Just a note, the Model 3 now uses lane lines for parking, versus distance between 2 cars.
They lost the functionality of before, but instead gained the ability to park without being between 2 cars!
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May i know how does it help? Parking without being between 2 cars is like the most basic....
So Tesla removed the functionality that at least some people need and replaced it with a functionality that every 1st day driver can easily do by himself. Big brain move.
So it's a downgrade then. No assistance when you actually need it, but hey you can use the lines that you see your self.
@@danepher Worse than that on the newer models with no Ultrasonic Sensors. They removed the functionality entirely until they can get Tesla Vision more reliable. This applies to everything 2023 and forward so we're still waiting. It's an uncertain future for sure. :( Summon removed too.
Embarassing. If I were Tesla I'd be embarassed, but Elon is too busy messing round with Twitter. This is from someone who'd like a Tesla. I despise that there's no AR HUD.
I’ve actually cancelled my model Y order after growing increasingly tired of Elon. I’ve had the model 3 for 4 years and plan to move to the Ioniq 5. It’s great we have more options now.
i agree
@@ffrrannk Yes same, I need to like the CEO of the company to buy the product. Its not about the product itself. Its about the CEO and how i assess he/she is running another company. Good story.
Get a grip
@@Maarten_vd LOL you need to like CEO?? For 97% of drivers, Musk is fhe ONLY CEO of motor company that they know. And don’t tell me you will be able to tell the name of CEO’s of Hyundai, VW or Volvo without googling!
As an I5 driver you do want the Hyundai close to the kerb as it a wide car! If you leave a big gap to the kerb you are far more likely to be side swiped by a passing car if you are sticking out on the highway side. Either way these self parking modes are bit gimmicky and too slow overall! If you can't park as the driver you should not be driving basically. I think the "Summon" function from the key fob is also excellent on the Hyundai, for reversing out of garage or supermarket if somebody has parked too close on either side. I think with the Tesla it is via the app which is a bit flakey!
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I think it's very important to note that auto park is like the least of Tesla's Priority right now. We all know and would agree that Tesla is WAY AHEAD in the AI Self Driving game and that is a much much harder problem to solve.
Once they put their head into auto park, it's gonna be great but they haven't yet.
Also Tesla previously used the standard auto park software that majority of other manufacturers use (Audi, merc etc) but now it has transitioned to tesla vision...
Ha! - you Tesla Fanboi excuses are completely embarrassing!! Pathetic!!
The car is SOLD with self parking - which does NOT WORK correctly!!
End of........!!
Grow up!!!
They need to prioritise.build Quality, parts supply, service costs, before self driving...which musk promised he would have already finished years ago..as he said..millions of self driving Taxis. Too many empty promises.
except: parking and self driving are both : observing the environment, interpreting it, anticipate actions by others, planning solution to your own goals and then executing it. a focus on camera only handicaps its ability to observe at night, fog etc. The "push for pedestrian" is a bit of a warning sign there, but at least it paused.
So they made the System cheaper (no radar sensors) and worse, by using tesla Vision?
Nice.
Even though you see quite a few Tesla Model 3 daily this blue with black wheels is still a head turner 😎
Tesla vision needs lines to do perpendicular parking. That’s what it looks for. The old version only worked with car gaps, but this works on marked spaces only
once vision comes to the auto park, it will be able to drive through the lot and find a spot lines or no lines. Tons to finish
@@rickkay9548 that's pretty useless NOW though...
@@AHBdV Sadly yes, but Tesla is working to fix what used to work much better. There are so many other things tesla's do better (that no one else even does at all) that focussing on 100% functional auto-parking is low priority when maturing the whole vision system will gain auto-parking, smarter summon, next level autonomous driving etc.
Within a couple months teslas will go find a spot after you get out at a store front and navigate throughout the whole parking lot. "Now" is irrelevant for a car you will own for 8-10 years with the pace of software updates being released.
@@rickkay9548 Tesla's are regressing. While others put more sensors, they take em out and want to just rely on cameras.
Just like FSD is perpetually unfinished, banking on a fix is bad odds
@@TsLeng Point me to any other car - no matter how many sensors - can so much as chime for a green light or take an off ramp. Or keep pretending Tesla is regressing because you don't understand how behind the rest of the industry is. Your choice
I ordered my Ioniq 5 (Uniq) in August. I will be a very happy man when it comes to me next summer. Long waiting time but it should be worth it ^^
The Tesla in that trim looks so nice ❤
Cool test. It should be repeated using the new Tesla Autopark based on the FSD end-to-end stack, which looks to be awesome.
19:00 starting in tesla vision, it require clear white lines instead of parking in between cars, meaning even if the parking lot is half empty it can park in any space as long as white lines are visible
Do you need self parking if there's no other cars? The point is getting in tight spaces.
@@billgoldbergmania right it can park in tight space as long as there are parking lines. This is how it should have been in the first place.
@@jasoncheung7654 I'm not sure Tesla engineers live in the real world where some people routinely park over lines or lines are worn away. Or the car just can't cope with that scenario using vision alone which is more likely.
I'm great at parking but I can totally see myself buying the Ioniq 5 just for it's wonderful self parking feature. Hyundai aced it!
It did a fine job. I wouldn't say aced it. I'm still waiting for any of them to be able to do all of it in a single shot, meaning reduced motions like forward first to perfectly align the max angle. This will prevent Y turns and slow parking. Then I'll say aced-it. Sadly, if they do improve it, you'll have to go into the shop to get it.
As a tesla owner I can say tesla vision is shit at the moment:
- phantom breaking is through the roof
- with rain it stops working immediately and you can't use it
- parking is total shit
- dangerous random emergency breaking and line correction with no need for it.
It so much worse compared to radar. I hope it will improve fast because it's barely usable now
As a tesla owner I can say tesla vision is great. Less phantom breaking. Works fine in rain and they fixed auto high beams. And no random eab
@@RUclipsAdministrator Can confirm that too - Vision is much better than the radar version! :)
need to do a test to see if non-Tesla’s will bump into people while trying to park since they seem to take an algorithmic approach rather than Tesla’s neural network.
In reality, you're just not going to be given the time for the Tesla to work itself out, before people become impatient and start beeping.
Very impressive system on the Hyundai, which I think is more useful. It's quicker to park the car yourself, however when a space is very tight and you'd struggle to get out the car, being able to remote park is a fantastic feature.
The fact they are turning lock-to-lock whilst stationary does my nut: that's appalling driving as it scrubs tyres and puts huge loads across the steering joints / rack. Even just inching along whilst applying lock reduces the stresses tremendously.
Underrated comment - it makes me angry if I hear this noise.... Just brutal
so you just have to try parking a few times to get it right, and hope no people walk anywhere near the car when reversing. Also if a pet (cat or dog) pass by in front or behind it doesn't stop as the sensors are disabled and the cameras can't see that low down! overall needs a lot of work yet on tesla's part.
The Hyundai was very impressive. I think the Tesla might do better in an actual parking bay with white lines between the cars ?
Possibly but it's rare to have a parallel space with lines.
The perpendicular parking in Tesla requires painted lines. But kudos to Hyundai for handling it all like a boss. Might need to test again when Tesla “Actually Smart Summon” FSD V11 is released to public.
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For those who don't know, the Hyundai gets the features shown as standard on Premium trim and above.
You need to pay an extra £3400 for the features shown on the Tesla.
Personally, I'd keep the £3400 and park it myself!!
“Standard on premium trim” is kind of an oxymoron. It was really good though, much better than the Tesla.
And you'd do it a lot faster too. I had it on the BMW i3 and while it worked great it was far too slow.
Not impressed with the Model 3 at all.
That said, why not just park yourself, which is much faster and far superior in every way?
I just bought the Ioniq 5 2023, and I can assure you that it does see curbs. I haven't tried the self parking mode yet, but when I park with my own (not great) parking skills, it warns me if it "thinks" I am going too close to the curb.
I’m not convinced they’re using just Tesla vision yet…I’ve got a broken parking sensor on my Model Y (running latest software) and that’s preventing me from using park assist entirely. I still get the read out of distance to the car in front, minus the corner with the defective sensor on it 🤷🏼♂️
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I hope Tesla doesn’t wait till they have self driving done to make self parking good. How in hell can they drive autonomously through a hole city but not park in something like this
Hah! The Tesla is truly AI. Humans don’t like parking when pedestrians are watching either
I like the comparison. Great job.
BTW. Tesla doesn't do "modelling" on the fly. Never did. Musk said that years ago, as an optimistic possibility, but it required crazy hardware and the next level of complexity in the case of the ML model run Visual Learning model.
I like these types of comparisons. Comparing driver assistant systems like these. I wonder how Tesla will do with the new models coming out without the ultrasonic sensors.
Those sensors are not used even if they’re fitted, he pointed that out with the on screen message about Vision Only, and when the chap covered the sensor with his hand.
@@atreidesN I’m pretty sure the models that have no sensors have better cameras. Also from what I’ve heard the models without the sensor have self park unavailable as of now.
@@nothere572 I haven’t seen anything from Tesla ref the camera quality being improved in order to drop the USS. What’s your source for that? It’s a cost saving measure to remove radar and USS, so generally the move to Tesla Vision is viewed as subtractive on the hardware front, additive on the software front, functionally the same (we hope).
There is so much space I could park there even blinded
I have noticed that auto full beam in 2022.40.1 is much better than previous versions. It’s actually useful.
The matrix lights on the VW id3 are amazing, it just blanks the beam towards the driver and keeps everywhere else on high beam, brilliant for country driving and I never get flashed so must work.
That is good to hear !!
@@RyanCowan yeah buddy!
I find it funny that your are criticising the software for achieving a close fit to the curb, it didn't hit the curb so should get bonus points the closer it gets provided that it can do it consistantly
As i said to you on Twitter,try them all again in the rain with wet cameras.
As someone who works with computer vision systems, whenever I see these drift in behaviour, our engineers would often say, we just need to train our current model to learn those new environments. Safe to say, Tesla vision would work better in the US since it’s where they have majority of the data from. This will improve over time outside US
How is parking different in US to the rest of the world?
@@alanngli Freedom parking.
I’m not making excuses. Read my first sentence again.
@@berdugosocials9854 Not saying that you are making excuses, just find it odd that how is rendering a 3D model any different between the two continents, after all, that’s the point of rendering the environment in real time is it should work regardless of where you put it.
@@alanngli Parking spaces are gigantic in the US because everybody drives monster trucks!
Stop making excuses for the Tesla, it’s Shite at parking unless there are no people about and the bays all clearly marked out with white paint. I wouldn’t trust it self driving either. A camera system on its own simply isn’t good enough.
Hmmm, using the vision to come in could (at least theoretically) work. But what do you do if you park in a busy city, tight parking spaces, and cars around you changed multiple times - this will invalidate any 3D models it had built before, so when you need to leave you’re completely on your own, trying to maneuver this tight space. I don’t see even a theoretical solution to that.
And in spitting rain. My Tesla is regularly telling me the cameras are blocked in poor weather.
Think about it. The autonomous driving at speed processes exactly that scenario. Parking with moving cars is just the same processing, it doesn't build a static 3D model for the duration of parking.
@@djtaylorutube So how this processing is going to solve it if it's missing the _data_ in the first place? There's a significant blindspot in the front, more than 1m. As I said, it's just theoretically impossible - whatever processing you do, it relies on data. No amount of processing can recover missing data.
@@pqvid what makes you think it's missing the data?
@DavidT he just explained it to u bro...
A little confused with the Tesla parking. He walked right up to the car and nearly touched it and yet, the car just carried on parking. Isn’t that extremely dangerous? Would have expected the car to immediately stop parking.
Yep, it can't really see in that area in front of the hood. But at the end it's not dangerous as long as a human still is the the loop and being responsible to hit the brakes in case something like this happens. Wondering how they want to solve that in the future with ASS (actually smart summon) and the USS (ultra sonic sensor) less cars.
We all want the Tesla to do this simple task but amazing that u had to try 2/3 times before it got it right whereas the Hyundai & BMW can do it straight away. Hope Elon is watching this & gets his engineers to sort this out. & as u say, it's crazy to try this on a street with people about - Tesla needs to get it's act right - kinda embarrassing when I'm raving about all these features that don't work too well - come on Elon stop Twittering & start Tesla-ing- doh🙈🙊😵💫
It did it as soon as no pedestrian was running towards the car in the middle of the maneuver
Love the summon race! 😀
That freaks me out seeing the car park without anybody in it. Did you have to hold the button down while it was doing the move? Meaning if you let go does it stop immediately?
Also, I wonder how this would react to cars driving around the car while it's doing the maneuver because everybody in Toronto has ants in their pants downtown. In the middle of your move they are always driving around into the opposite traffic direction.
The main problem would if the car senses the that other car is too close (or pedestrian) and then won't move. It's a fine parlour trick for a quiet parking lot or street.
@@JohnRoss1 For me, I park in my backyard on a parking pad so having the car drive in while I hold the gate would be great. It’s straight in.
I like that you do multiple tries to show consistency rates.
Cool test, thanks. I would love to see the screen when parking manually for "vision". Also, what about when removing or adding obstacles in front of the Tesla after parking, will it recognize it with Vision? For example, park without anything in front, then leave/lock. Add a huge van close up so it only sees the white. Will it recognize it?
I don't see how it could. Even _if_ constantly recording video (but remember, sentry mode is unavailable below 20%) - you can still have situations when something went in from a side, etc. - like a cat or a dog.
A camera in the front bumper could help to solve it, but there's none yet.
@@pqvid Exactly, mapping of the nose blindspot would be interesting.
@@pqvid They'll use the pedestrian safety speaker to make some started sound when it's in FSD. Clear cats and such. Also the front cameras would see more than just white.
Nope, it won't. Mine doesn't see the car directly behind me when stopped at a red light, even when it saw it drive up to me and could just assume it's still there.
LOL, the Hyundai left a bigger gap (to get out) when there was no one in the car so it wasn''t needed - or maybe if it was if it doesn't auto-unpark.
Fingers Xed for a major improvement with Tesla when "Actually Smart Summon" is released.
Richard great video, could you tell me what the body kit is on the Tesla and where in the UK it’s available to buy?
Tell me too 😊 Looks very nice..
Great video too as we have both the M3 and Ioniq 5 here at home
I don’t own the car any more but I think the front splitter at least had “Maxton” on it
@@RSEV thanks and love your videos
@@RSEV Thanks.
Sorry but the Ioniq 5 it's one of the best ev's on the market right now, Hyundai has done an amazing job.
I’m a little confused, I pick up my new model Y on Wednesday 23rd Nov and it is without Ultra Sonic Sensors. As part of having the car I had to accept the change of the removal of the sensors and that four options would not be available at delivery including assisted parking. I’m therefore surprised you could even activate parking mode and I think it is reliant on the sensors being there even if not used. However I’ll be able to confirm on Thursday !! Great video - hats off to the Hyundai.
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That would really not be great to have such an expensive car without a function that is almost standard nowadays.
Really time for other ev to take the lead
@@tiloalo actual smart auto-parking is coming with FSD beta v11 by end of year. and this isn't just parking as everyone else had it since 2016, this is in conjunction with summon and reverse summon which means the car will drive and find itself a parking space and park. and when its called it will reverse out and drive right back to you.
@A-don yeah, this is what was announced around 10 years ago with tesla driving around parking lot looking for a place to park...
Seeing how the car struggled with normal parking, I don't believe that it could navigate a tight parking lot with traffic and pedestrian.
It would be awesome, but tesla usually under deliver on FSD
@@tiloalo FSD beta V11 wide release is coming next month tho, it has already been rolled out to the internal testers before hitting wide release. This is the biggest news in FSD history so far. Everyone who paid for it is finally getting it, long time coming since 2015.
Also this basic geometric parking is not comparable to that. The smart summon and auto park Tesla's have now hasn't been updated in 4 years, this will bring them into all the new FSD neural network break throughs achieved so far
I believe Teslas don't learn on the fly. It's just an inference engine running in there.
I think (just a guess) they have turned the pedestrian tolerances very high since they switched to Vision only system.
Hopefully with more flushed out version of FSD, they will roll out a reasonable pedestrian friendly version as well.
Is it safe to assume the Kia EV6 would perform as well as the Ioniq 5, or is there a difference? Thanks.
@@mattjarrett8868 Excellent, thanks. 👍I was hoping that'd be the case, I've an EV6 on order.
Ev6 is about 5% better than ioniq5.
Hyundai and Kia share the parts, but not everything. The tech on Kia is a bit smarter. You guys should test the Kia ev6 also, just saying. Great video.
Loving the Hyundai. A question - when parallel parking in a tightish space do any of them get you out of that space automatically when you want to move off again ?
Best wishes.
Probably. Even my 2018 Audi does that.
Tesla should use technology from 3 th parties in the different fields where they are 6 years behind the competition.
I believe all new parking logic is coming with the ASS release (actually smart summon) for the tesla in a couple of months. Would be very intersted to see how much improved it is since it will be expected to be able to park (in the US at least) with you not even present
I like how Tesla fans are eternally optimistic.
@@madsam0320 Tesla software is always being updated. The cars are receiving improved AI stuff monthly, so it's not unrealistic to expect improvements.
@@logitech4873 That's the spirit!
@@logitech4873 is it really improvements if it's just to get back what it used to do? It's not like they're giving you a discount for the lack of previous sensors
@@otakudjr The move to Tesla vision was a pretty huge change. It sucks that parking regressed in some ways, but as discussed, parking is receiving improvements soon.
Get ready for lots of links to this video to be shared on Facebook Richard , as lots of people who have supposedly ordered Y's are saying they're cancelling because Tesla have deleted the sensors. . This proves they aren't needed. Great video as ever.
Did you watch the video???? Tesla is a joke. Going backwards in functionality.
I've been really losing faith in Tesla recently. I've really loved their cars but at this point the only reason to get one is because of the super charger network. The quality of the cars aren't the best for what they charge and the fact they can't even do a simple car parking test right. The car should be able to do how close the person is to it and not give them a hard time when every other car does it just fine. ICE cars have been doing this well for years and Tesla has had years to get simple stuff like this right but they're trying to push self driving but can't even do a self parking test right. I think it's gonna come down to a few companies goings to be leading the EV world and I think right now Hyundai/Kia/Genesis is gonna be the way to go because they balance luxury, features, performance, looks, and price, all in a great package for what your average consumer is looking for or would want.
10 year making nothing but EV and they can't even make it park well better focus some fart features interior because this do stinks.
I don't think that Tesla ignoring parking sensors is a great idea. A dog or a small child could be right there. People have backed out of their driveways and run over their children because they were on a trike or just too small to see.
Can’t help thinking that anyone who sees how awkward the Tesla handles parking would then be comfortable trusting the same software to control them going at motorway speeds (assuming use of FSD)……….are they really willing to put their lives in the hands of this software…?
Assuming Hyundai did so good in parking one could assume their line keeping is fantastic as well. You should but your live in the hands of that Software.
@@TschingisTube Yes, you do that…..make some assumptions about software and then decide to trust your life in it. How many interventions while on FSD do we have to see (plenty to view on YT) to suggest that the software can’t handle many situations. I’d say that humans are able to assess these better…but judging by the driving standards of many I’m not sure either solution is ideal……how do you feel about walking?
@@yordaman1 So like make an assumption in that hyundai parking assist shines, the line assist also shines and based on that expert assumption make life trust decissions?
Tesla the worst job at parking, Hyundai in the middle, and best job as usual BMW even in this old i3.
Typical Tesla.. works on paper only 🤣
Hyundai seems like a winner imo, however i'm not a fan of needing to hold the button while parking.
Let's face it, EVs are doing their best to de-skill drivers, so at least holding on to our parking skills can't be an actual bad thing. Last year, after 40 yrs driving, I was still able to balance my old manual Audi A1 Sport on any road by the power of thought alone, no change from when I had my lovely old Rosso Alfasud Veloce, back in the day. After a year with an M3LR, I'd bet my clutch control and intuitive driving feel is now on par with that of an untrained Baboon. And the Baboon would drive the Tesla no worse than I can. That old RUSH track, Red Barchetta, sort of predicted this back in 1981...
There'll come a day People will only be allowed drive on country roads where there are little to no markings on the roads, probably in the future all cars will communicate to each other, too many accidents related to using phones while driving now, the amount of People I see driving and browsing the internet, facebook, youtube or whatever is incredible, that's can't be allowed to continue and it's because of People's actions that will see more restrictions
Perpendicular parking needs the white lines (clear) rather than a gap on the Tesla. On the plus side that means it can park even when there aren’t parked cars on either side. On the minus side, no clear unbroken lines, no parky!
the Tesla did better because y'all finally realised to move the camera man away. and our Tesla only recognises parking spaces with the lanes painted om the road
Which isn't good enough.
So the Tesla only works if there are no pedestrians anywhere closeby (so not in cities or shopping mall car parks) and only in places where there is perfect paintwork. So *according to you* , that leaves about the test track as the only viable option.
@@danieltatar7575 Only at perpendicular parking spaces the paintwork is needed (at the moment).
I would wait for Tesla to release the updates software for the new cars without USS. There should be major improvements to the Enhanced Autopilot Features according to Musk. Once that comes out, I would love to see a test.
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Still waiting....lol
As a model 3 owner who paid 10k more for software I’m frustrated with the lack of basic things. My 2016 BMW which isn’t smart can still park quicker and better than Tesla anytime!
I've had 3 skoda superbs with self parking on and they all work perfectly, 1.5 inches from the curb every time, if this is the best they can do in ev car it's a joke.
You should do a pedestrian test. So while auto parking let someone walk close around the car. Maybe the Tesla is always pausing because its the safest. Im wondering how the other brands will handle this since they never give the pedestrian warning.
Info for the PREVIOUS video: The Ford and BMW systems both use Mobileye, they are the same systems but slightly tweaked. Tesla AP1, the one that actually parks well, uses an old version of Mobileye too. Later Tesla versions use Tesla's own hardware and software, which is why its actually worse. The reason Elon moved away from Mobileye was because he wanted to market the cars as self driving, and Mobileye refused to do that due to safety. When AP2 came out, to nobodies surprise a bunch of Tesla's crashed and killed the drivers.
Looking forward to see the USS-less Tesla soon.