Jordan struggling when he's around proper smart fans and not negative Turkish where it's easy to have a moan up and point out what's gone wrong rather than how we can put it right and what could hopefully go wrong for the opposition.
Watch how the narrative changes around February. Just remember the sort of people who wrote off Arsenal and claimed Liverpool as champions. They’ll do a huge PR spin on Liverpool and say “ it was only Slots first season anyway” Watch and see.
What comeback, when the team cannot comeback from behind, playing Stoke city cross it all football. Most of the fans are living in 22/23. This team ain't that team..
@@joekneebone4251 Playing like Prime Stoke this season, Arteta is your Brendan Rodgers, He ain't winning the league. Arsenal cannot even defend a lead to save their lives.
Jordan is being disingenuous/ignorant with his red card, yellow card stance. Yes, if the Arsenal players didn't do those things they wouldn't have received the cards, but why are Arsenal apparently the only team that has to follow the rules stringently. In the recent game against Chelsea, Cucharella was constantly in the referee's face. He's not the captain and could easily have been booked on at least two occasions, but this would never happen. That is the point Jordan is missing.
Clive is so brilliant! He picks up on things that are so subtle. For example, he noticed that Ben White wasn’t fit in that Chelsea game because of the way he was running, and now we’ve learned that he’s going to have surgery. Also, his point about having Rice as a right-sided CM that does a two-way job so that Saka doesn’t defend as much is just so insightful. If we start doing that, I can see Saka scoring around 20 goals a season. Thank you, Clive! You are a thought leader and we really appreciate all the work you do.
I got as far 42:00 minutes, but I am afraid at that point I checked out. For the record 6 of last 7 PL titles City, Liverpool 1 this century Arsenal 2. Slot takes over a team in 3rd, Arsenal were mid-table. More work to do. Let's see where Slot finishes rather than extrapolating that he is better than Arteta on the evidence of less than half a season. Finally, you have to be pretty one-eyed to suggest that Arsenals reds were fair enough because everyone is receiving cards for those offences when its abundantly clear that's not the case.
Exactly, its like trying to compare the guy who inhereted his family's fortune and successful business and the guy who had to start from scratch to become successful. Silly to compare. Also we keep forgeting that both Pep and Klopp were THE Best coaches in the world with lots ofbexperience and this is Arteta's first job as a coach.
The reason Cole Palmer wasn’t getting the ball is because Enzo wasn’t on the field,because caicedo and lavia pass don’t usually break lines which Enzo does,in turns makes it’s difficult for Palmer to receive pass in attacking areas
Love the optimism but if we're in a title race so are Chelsea. Need to keep our heads down and work hard . See where we are in February and evaluate but at the moment I'd say we're out of it.
League looks very tough. Top 4 Carabao / FA Cup double Decent run in the CL Will be a good season This young team needs to lift some silerware and it will help keeps the boards faith in Mikel
Thing that's hurt me most about Arteta is not backing his young hungry stars in Nwaneri & Skelly. They are ready to play. I want them both getting prem minutes.
They've both been given a lot of minutes this season,arsenal fans must always find something to moan and cry about. Arteta is managing them very well.relax and let the professionals do their work
I think it’s because dropping points counts the same no matter when it happens. And if you drop too many points you’re not going to have the most at the end
Aside from Ødegaard allowing Saka to make the run, it's going to open up space for Havertz AND Martinelli, as well as the 8 running through. This is the opportunity for Martinelli to have more freedom with defenders less likely to double or triple up. I think we'll see goals galore after the break.
imho we have the same problem we have had for 20 plus years, Heroism, Trossard and Havertzs want to be them more than anything, I think that is the issue
Spurs were top of the league last season after the first nine games and didn't finish in the top four. Slot has had an easy start and will fall back to reality in the new year. Arsenal just need to stay in touching distance.
Wow...that was a great podcast. Clive and Tom were amazing. Jarrad was disappointing in my opinion. We need people to bsck the team rather than trash them at every opportunity.
Not trying to be negative when he’s being negative because he’s scared to be optimistic cause he doesn’t want people to say he said Arsenal could win the title lol.
How did these people get to talk about Football? It’s beyond me. You can literally tell that they’ve never played a reasonable level. Yet they’ve probably been to every home game or game away from home possible. That doesn’t qualify people to talk about Football. The opinions on here are scary ridiculous.
I know he is an arsenal fan but it really deos seem like all he wants to do is to find ways to disagree with every thing positive that’s said about arsenal football club.and pretend he is cleverer then every one by just disagreeing
@banksy6462 that's quite apparent 😅😅. Definition of a football fan is a person truly passionate about football; a person extremely interested in accompanying a football team
Effectively Arsenal are only 4 points behind the most likely Champions of EPL this season. Pep would do whatever it tales to beat Liverpool home and away even if it requires City to play defensively and hit Liverpool on the break like he did at the Emirates when Arsenal had a great start to season 22-23.
Wrong ,Odegaard can not change the narrative . Football is a team sport ; everyone should come to the party.All the department should fanction clause to perfection including the banch , coach , and the up stairs for you to pretend to be title container .At the moment ; most of the department are struggling .
two suprer mutants and one reasonable guy.. pickpockets YMWA process project hybrid gk, inverted fb, double false no.9, dog named win..this is the real banter era
Odegaard deserves an elite striker to compliment his creativity .Havertz ain't it! We need a prolific profile in our attack .Wingers need upgrading, too. Martinelli is hit and miss with his end-product often wasteful and ineffective. Saka has become predictable and easy to defend against. Rice for all his huffing & puffing in midfield is yet to produce any moments of quality to justify the £105m pricetag .
Do you have a picture to show this. I didn't think it was off at all live (watched the game on telli), and don't think it ia now. I've seen pictures which shows it wasn't off., but I haven't seen pictures which shows an offside.
Nothing I despise more then my OWN fanbase being completely delusional and just lying to the masses to keep their good relations with club. Title race is done IF Arsenal are in the title race then so are forrest, brighton, chelsea yet NO ONE in their right mind would say those team are in title race. It's over for us 2 weeks city loose in the PL extremely rare then we follow it up with a loss and draw that shows we are NOT a serious team
If you feel that way fine you are entitled to your opinion but don’t bother with the rest of the season, we don’t need your negativity. Come out fighting next season or choose another team or sport.
Spot on. What your saying is right i dont know why this toxic positive has became a thing. Football fans have the right to criticise when deserved. This new type of fan is not Football fans, but the definition of a cheerleader and the owners thrive off them knowing they can pedal out PR PR PR and they will believe anything
@@Random__is__resistance I follow all of these pundits, and they're NOT toxic positive, and they DO critisize. But there are always context to their critisism. The toxic negative hurts the team, and they often think football like it's a FIFA or managergame. There are way to many emotions around the negative toxics reasoning. Chelsea is probably the 2nd best team in PL right now, after LFC. Arsenal went toe to toe against them, and it was a competitive match. The toxic negative fans (the modern youtubefans) expected to run over Chelsea at the Bridge, and has utopia-vision around getting new players in. It is always easier to critisize, and overly negativ fans endorse critisism like it is a drug. I saw Curtis live-show just after the Arsenalgoal (just to listen to the foreplay to our goal), and I couldn't beleive his stand on Odegaard, because he wanted Odegaard out of the match. He also mentioned he wanted Martinenlli out. WHAT? If you didn't recognize how Odegaard knitted and organized our play on the field, there must lack some football-knowledge.
These arsenal journalists talk like if arsenal have won two PL trophies and two champions league trophies under Arteta. The arsenal fan base is hyperbolic and deluded but their PR agents, they really encourage them. The guy in the middle looks at Jordan with dispair because Jordan is speaking facts. The woman at the end even says: "Trust the process" 🤣 It's hilarious.
You know jordon is known for never watching games! Other 2 dudes there respected in podcast community Jordan is a journalist for channel 4 and wtf do channel 4 know about sport jeez
How did these people get to talk about Football? It’s beyond me. You can literally tell that they’ve never played a reasonable level. Yet they’ve probably been to every home game or game away from home possible. That doesn’t qualify people to talk about Football. The opinions on here are scary ridiculous.
Jordan struggling when he's around proper smart fans and not negative Turkish where it's easy to have a moan up and point out what's gone wrong rather than how we can put it right and what could hopefully go wrong for the opposition.
He is a secret Spud😂
Watch how the narrative changes around February. Just remember the sort of people who wrote off Arsenal and claimed Liverpool as champions. They’ll do a huge PR spin on Liverpool and say “ it was only Slots first season anyway” Watch and see.
What comeback, when the team cannot comeback from behind, playing Stoke city cross it all football. Most of the fans are living in 22/23. This team ain't that team..
@@EphraimAkoto and you are an irrelevance 😂
@@EphraimAkotothe team is pretty much the same mate not sure if you hibernate over summer
@@joekneebone4251 Playing like Prime Stoke this season, Arteta is your Brendan Rodgers, He ain't winning the league. Arsenal cannot even defend a lead to save their lives.
Around february every media outlet Will be about the biggest embarrasement in premier league. Trophyless phases for nothing.
Jordan is being disingenuous/ignorant with his red card, yellow card stance. Yes, if the Arsenal players didn't do those things they wouldn't have received the cards, but why are Arsenal apparently the only team that has to follow the rules stringently.
In the recent game against Chelsea, Cucharella was constantly in the referee's face. He's not the captain and could easily have been booked on at least two occasions, but this would never happen. That is the point Jordan is missing.
Clive is so brilliant! He picks up on things that are so subtle. For example, he noticed that Ben White wasn’t fit in that Chelsea game because of the way he was running, and now we’ve learned that he’s going to have surgery.
Also, his point about having Rice as a right-sided CM that does a two-way job so that Saka doesn’t defend as much is just so insightful. If we start doing that, I can see Saka scoring around 20 goals a season.
Thank you, Clive! You are a thought leader and we really appreciate all the work you do.
This show is quickly becoming a favourite!
Gr8to see Tom on this pod . 🔴⚪
brilliant analysis from TOM regarding that slot and arteta comparision.
I know we might be in the slumps but we definetly know we"ll rise again thats the fact...love todays lineup panel
Jordan was not talking like this on the fourever Arsenal podcast 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Good balance in this line up!
What a great panel. Please have all 3 together more often!
Great show - a nice change the presenter hasn’t tried to takeover the discussion ✌️
I got as far 42:00 minutes, but I am afraid at that point I checked out. For the record 6 of last 7 PL titles City, Liverpool 1 this century Arsenal 2. Slot takes over a team in 3rd, Arsenal were mid-table. More work to do. Let's see where Slot finishes rather than extrapolating that he is better than Arteta on the evidence of less than half a season. Finally, you have to be pretty one-eyed to suggest that Arsenals reds were fair enough because everyone is receiving cards for those offences when its abundantly clear that's not the case.
Exactly, its like trying to compare the guy who inhereted his family's fortune and successful business and the guy who had to start from scratch to become successful. Silly to compare. Also we keep forgeting that both Pep and Klopp were THE Best coaches in the world with lots ofbexperience and this is Arteta's first job as a coach.
Clive has Arsenal DNA, he must be working with someone on the inside🫡
Brilliant podcast.
23:40 black brother has no idea what he is saying.
Love Clive & Tom - excellent analysis and well rounded opinion.
Correct..crossing balls is not creating chances if no one gets at the end of the cross
Love Tom on the show!
The reason Cole Palmer wasn’t getting the ball is because Enzo wasn’t on the field,because caicedo and lavia pass don’t usually break lines which Enzo does,in turns makes it’s difficult for Palmer to receive pass in attacking areas
Really good balance that
Awesome rallying cries Clive and Tom! Inspiring!
Jordan being his normal irritating self here
Clive and Jordon, two youtube podcast heavyweights, very impressive and great listening.
Jordon thinks way too highly of himself.
Please, Jordan should not be compared to Clive . It’s like comparing an undergraduate to GCSE student
Jordan is just not it, Man just talks like he knows it all
Decent lineup this week lads
Love the optimism but if we're in a title race so are Chelsea. Need to keep our heads down and work hard . See where we are in February and evaluate but at the moment I'd say we're out of it.
The best show on RUclips.
League looks very tough.
Top 4
Carabao / FA Cup double
Decent run in the CL
Will be a good season
This young team needs to lift some silerware and it will help keeps the boards faith in Mikel
Thing that's hurt me most about Arteta is not backing his young hungry stars in Nwaneri & Skelly. They are ready to play. I want them both getting prem minutes.
They've both been given a lot of minutes this season,arsenal fans must always find something to moan and cry about. Arteta is managing them very well.relax and let the professionals do their work
Clive is the man! Id let that mans voice be the last thing i hear at night to give me peace! ❤
Why does eveyone think the season is over? Do you realize it only November...😅
I think it’s because dropping points counts the same no matter when it happens. And if you drop too many points you’re not going to have the most at the end
You cant win the title this time of the season but you can lose it@@davebritton21
Good Show
Nice to see Jordan in HD for a change
Why did the Manager not trust Nwaneri in the absence of Odegard,,,we need a serious creative midfielder and a killer striker...
Aside from Ødegaard allowing Saka to make the run, it's going to open up space for Havertz AND Martinelli, as well as the 8 running through. This is the opportunity for Martinelli to have more freedom with defenders less likely to double or triple up. I think we'll see goals galore after the break.
imho we have the same problem we have had for 20 plus years, Heroism, Trossard and Havertzs want to be them more than anything, I think that is the issue
This aint Arsenals year. Always 2026
The third guy must be a City fan
Palmer playing well in big games is another level but he will do sooner or later
Please don’t invite Jordan, he’s too negative but calls it “realistic” it’s ok to loose a couple games and still have hope for your team
I actually think he gave a very balanced view
Hope or Delusion ?
He was being rational and unbiased. He wasn't being negative
Deluded FANBASE. PLEASE!!!!!! 🙏🏻 Keep ARTETA. Give Him @ NEW 10 - Year Contract.
@@Chefin2000 arsenal live rent free in your head. Why are you watching an arsenal podcast? 🤡
Spurs were top of the league last season after the first nine games and didn't finish in the top four.
Slot has had an easy start and will fall back to reality in the new year. Arsenal just need to stay in touching distance.
Don't talk about Liverpool having an easy run they have not only played city, spurs and Newcastle amongst the threatening big games
Yeah, but that's classic spursy 😂
Dead right 👍
So playing Arsenal, United, Chelsea, Brighton, Leverkusen is an easy start now ?
If Slot wins the title it would be embarrassing for Arteta and fans
Wow...that was a great podcast. Clive and Tom were amazing. Jarrad was disappointing in my opinion. We need people to bsck the team rather than trash them at every opportunity.
Please don’t invite Jordan again he is naive, doesn’t know what he talking about and he is proud of it!
huh? Stop the hate, my boy!!
Why don’t we have a few clive ?
Not trying to be negative when he’s being negative because he’s scared to be optimistic cause he doesn’t want people to say he said Arsenal could win the title lol.
Robbie looks a little different today lol 😂😂😂
Liverpool are just ahead. This is a marathon and not a sprint. What is going to definitely put Arsenal out is Liverpool’s January business
Look his analysis, it s true and not looking for publicity like many this online creator fill they have to be negative to have a viewer
Keep Jordan on the Forever Podcast not for this one please 🙏
How did these people get to talk about Football? It’s beyond me. You can literally tell that they’ve never played a reasonable level. Yet they’ve probably been to every home game or game away from home possible. That doesn’t qualify people to talk about Football. The opinions on here are scary ridiculous.
So unless you're Ronaldo then just shut up , your premise is ridiculous .
Until he gets injured again
I know he is an arsenal fan but it really deos seem like all he wants to do is to find ways to disagree with every thing positive that’s said about arsenal football club.and pretend he is cleverer then every one by just disagreeing
Is Jordan an actual Arsenal fan? sounds like a generic football fan without any allegiance.
I heard he doesnt really watch the games
@banksy6462 that's quite apparent 😅😅. Definition of a football fan is a person truly passionate about football; a person extremely interested in accompanying a football team
Effectively Arsenal are only 4 points behind the most likely Champions of EPL this season. Pep would do whatever it tales to beat Liverpool home and away even if it requires City to play defensively and hit Liverpool on the break like he did at the Emirates when Arsenal had a great start to season 22-23.
Good luck to city beating lfc at anfield 🤣
No delusion my beautiful hater, wait until May 2025. Tears of hate coyg
Did palmer shut down odegaard?? He got an assist no
Wrong ,Odegaard can not change the narrative . Football is a team sport ; everyone should come to the party.All the department should fanction clause to perfection including the banch , coach , and the up stairs for you to pretend to be title container .At the moment ; most of the department are struggling .
JORDAN US JUST BEING RELASTIC MAN
Please don’t invite this Jordan again, I’ve had enough of him from AFTV
Noooo don’t bring Jordan in 👎🏻👎🏻👎🏻👎🏻👎🏻👎🏻
Palmer is the closest thing you'll see to Ozil.
😂😂😂😂😂You people you like joking alot
Wot ! Eyes like a frog ?
two suprer mutants and one reasonable guy.. pickpockets YMWA process project hybrid gk, inverted fb, double false no.9, dog named win..this is the real banter era
Jordan doesn’t even watch games
Who is this jordan guy, some ridiculous takes
Odegaard deserves an elite striker to compliment his creativity .Havertz ain't it!
We need a prolific profile in our attack .Wingers need upgrading, too. Martinelli is hit and miss with his end-product often wasteful and ineffective. Saka has become predictable and easy to defend against. Rice for all his huffing & puffing in midfield is yet to produce any moments of quality to justify the £105m pricetag .
@rdholyfield965
Wow Einstein! You nailed it.
It was 100% offside😂
Do you have a picture to show this. I didn't think it was off at all live (watched the game on telli), and don't think it ia now. I've seen pictures which shows it wasn't off., but I haven't seen pictures which shows an offside.
It was 100% ONSIDE as any reasonable person would affirm.
Why are talksport doing a weekly show about arsenal?
They hated social media and now trying to take some market share 😂😂😂 idiots
Exactly ! No Arsenal supporter pays serious attention to talksprout. So we now have a good Arsenal platform Clive and Tom 10/10 Jordan 3/10
Delusion in full swing 😢😮💨
Nothing I despise more then my OWN fanbase being completely delusional and just lying to the masses to keep their good relations with club. Title race is done IF Arsenal are in the title race then so are forrest, brighton, chelsea yet NO ONE in their right mind would say those team are in title race. It's over for us 2 weeks city loose in the PL extremely rare then we follow it up with a loss and draw that shows we are NOT a serious team
If you feel that way fine you are entitled to your opinion but don’t bother with the rest of the season, we don’t need your negativity. Come out fighting next season or choose another team or sport.
Spot on. What your saying is right i dont know why this toxic positive has became a thing. Football fans have the right to criticise when deserved. This new type of fan is not Football fans, but the definition of a cheerleader and the owners thrive off them knowing they can pedal out PR PR PR and they will believe anything
@@Random__is__resistance I follow all of these pundits, and they're NOT toxic positive, and they DO critisize. But there are always context to their critisism. The toxic negative hurts the team, and they often think football like it's a FIFA or managergame. There are way to many emotions around the negative toxics reasoning.
Chelsea is probably the 2nd best team in PL right now, after LFC. Arsenal went toe to toe against them, and it was a competitive match. The toxic negative fans (the modern youtubefans) expected to run over Chelsea at the Bridge, and has utopia-vision around getting new players in. It is always easier to critisize, and overly negativ fans endorse critisism like it is a drug. I saw Curtis live-show just after the Arsenalgoal (just to listen to the foreplay to our goal), and I couldn't beleive his stand on Odegaard, because he wanted Odegaard out of the match. He also mentioned he wanted Martinenlli out. WHAT? If you didn't recognize how Odegaard knitted and organized our play on the field, there must lack some football-knowledge.
Shut it
what narrative? that they are gonna be bridesmaids again this season?
GONERS
Jordan is the worse !! Not watching this week
Cry babies😂😂😂😂
We’ll win a cup this year but not the league. That’s good enough for me!
What on earth is this guy on about when he’s talking about line height and the gaps are being shorter? Wow. My ears hurt.
Get back to the Bash St. Kids they're at your level
He always negative I stopped watching four ever arsenal because of him
Arteta have to be sacked if we loses vs Nottingham Forest, ...Poor games management, clueless, spineless....😂
Absolute rubbish! You guys speak of Odegaard as if he’s the second coming of Ronaldinho. Odegaard is not that good the way you acclaim him
These arsenal journalists talk like if arsenal have won two PL trophies and two champions league trophies under Arteta. The arsenal fan base is hyperbolic and deluded but their PR agents, they really encourage them.
The guy in the middle looks at Jordan with dispair because Jordan is speaking facts. The woman at the end even says: "Trust the process" 🤣 It's hilarious.
Get back to your crayons , if you don't like the views then don't listen . Btw I like Liverpool but one championship in the last 34 seasons ?
You know jordon is known for never watching games! Other 2 dudes there respected in podcast community Jordan is a journalist for channel 4 and wtf do channel 4 know about sport jeez
he was just fine
I enjoyed Jordan’s perspective. Clive and Tom show a complete lack of respect for Liverpool.
How did these people get to talk about Football? It’s beyond me. You can literally tell that they’ve never played a reasonable level. Yet they’ve probably been to every home game or game away from home possible. That doesn’t qualify people to talk about Football. The opinions on here are scary ridiculous.
So what are you doing commenting ? You e never won 3 world cups and 6 balloon doors.