I thought I heard some of Knopffler's Local Hero in there early on (from the flutes) and then I fancy some "latest trick" inspired sax playing later on (tenor sax 2). And then there were many other times where I was sure parts were familiar but couldn't quite draw them to mind. More classical motifs with lots of lovely expression. I want to say Prokofiev but I think I just can't get Peter and The Wolf out of my head with the nature of the instruments on display. You've made this sound better than any other demo of it (IMHO). I don't have any of the Infinite's yet but I'm hovering over the button for the 1.4 Brass update. Can I ask if you're using a breath controller for this? (Just listened to more of the video and you answered this question - and that makes this all thew more impressive). Thanks from a fellow Aussie and VI-er. Hope you're keeping well in this most strange of times.
Every time you upload one of these videos, my wallet cries out in pain. In all seriousness, though, this is an excellent demonstration of a very fascinating library! I will have to look into this.
This was awesome. I just got the 2.0 version of this library and was finding it difficult to get all the instruments sounding towards their potential. Seeing your approach was incredibly helpful and your ideas are super inspiring. Finally found the right balance between the dynamic and vibrato controls watching what you were doing. So thanks for making these awesome videos it is really appreciated.
All your examples gives lot of articulations and that mean you're not an ordinary music composer. It not only helps us to decide which one is good for our purpose but very very inspirational.
Agreed. Everything here sounds great except the flutes. That English horn sounds great as well as the lower woodwind instruments. I love that you can just play convincing runs and they sound natural! Would love to get this library.
Yeah everything I've played with so far sounds agile and excellent except the flutes. They're kind of underwhelming. If you turn the breath noise knob all the way down, the samples underneath them sound good, but you need breath noise. It's a flute!
@@kurttomlinsoncompositions1067 I don't have very many libraries, but it works pretty well for me with the stuff I do have. I thought it being recorded dry would make it hard, but just pick a room and send a tiny bit of your main project's reverb to it and you're fine. The convolution reverb on this is incredible and I honestly hope he releases it as a standalone if possible. Haven't even had to really eq the instruments at all either whereas some of my other stuff sounds terrible without it.
Can't wait for the Infinite Brass one. These amazing libraries aren't very popular so I don't get to see them in other people's hands. I really want Infinite Brass but I can't quite get it yet, so hearing you mess around with them will help tremendously.
Great demonstration Cory of this very capable library. It would be cool if it had the ability to overblow the instruments and give them a bit more character..
Mixed feelings about this one, what you gain in dynamics and repetition, you lose in overall thin or distant tone and fake sounding attacks. I think this library would sound good layered with other libraries, combining the strengths of both for more realism, but that doesn't help with solo lines.
I've been wondering what Musical Sampling might do if they tackled woodwinds, but this is quite good to fill gaps in the meantime where Berlin WW is too damn fiddly.
The only drawback I can see with these are having to setup multiple instances to have ensembles. Even with this setup, you will still have more control over each individual instrument . I'm very tempted to get both the woodwinds and brass regardless.
When it comes to ensembles I highly recommend Westgate Woodwinds' ensemble flutes, oboes and bassoons which can be purchased for $40 each and are recorded dry with perfect legato. A good ensemble companion for Infinite Woodwinds because they're a2 ensembles. You can get them at Big Fish Audio.
I really wonder that am I the only one that hear a sound like trumpet at low register of Flutes? Or is it about recording issue or something? BTW Good review Cory👍🏻
I think testing mics individually or blending different along with changing articulations could help us get better picture about quallity of the library. Regards.
I want to buy 3 of those instruments... They all sound nice, but I don't really need all 27 at the moment... Anyone know where I can get a Contrabassoon without paying for over 2 dozen other instruments to get it?
@@CoryPelizzari I did see that one, but it seems like a bit of a hassle for such a niche instrument I only use every once in a while. I also haven't seen any videos of how the mentioned Contrabassoon works. But thanks for the reply, you video on Swing helped me decide to purchase that when I start working on the music for my next video game.
Hi Cory, just discovered this video (and your channel) via the VI Control forums; I'm both a newbie there and a (re)newbie to digital music composition. One of the biggest things I'm looking for now is *playability* since music is my hobby, not my job. As you can imagine, I'm SUPER excited about the Infinite Woodwinds and Infinite Brass, particularly after watching your thoughtful videos! Would love your thoughts on whether there are other highly-playable VIs like this you feel I should check out. I already own Virharmonic's Bohemian Violin and love it :-).
I dunno but, some of the flutters on both the woodwinds and brass sound a bit off... that’s literally my only concern holding me back from buying them, everything else sounds flawless!
Well.. having just come from the Infinite Brass review, I must say this was a total let down. I am not sure if it is because this was apparently their first one, but the difference between this and the brass is the same as night and day. The tone of these is simply not up to scratch. Extremely synthy. I mean, with the flute, I simply don't know what I was listening to. The bass flute sounds like the love child of a duduk and a fat ocarina. Real pity; I thought at last I had found a great-sounding and playable orchestra. At this point, it will be interesting to wait and see what the strings will be like. But, if they want people to consider buying the whole bundle, the timbre of the woods needs some serious, serious work. At the moment, Audio Modeling woodwinds, though entirely synthetic, sound far closer to the real thing than these.
Hi Cory. Firstly thanks so much for all of your replies and videos. I was wondering if you have ever used Audio modeling SWAM instruments, and perhaps if you might ever be able to do a comparison between Aaron Venture Infinite Woodwinds and SWAM woodwinds for instance? I realise that they are completely different technologies (sampling versus physical modelling) and ordinarily in wildly different price categories, however, in AUD with the edu discount they become "within the ballpark" of one another. With Aaron venture coming to about $400AUD after edu discount, and SWAM being around about $600AUD after edu discount. Although they are quite different products, I feel they target a similar user base as they are both good for low-ram, laptop-friendly workflows, and are both designed with play-ability and real time control in mind, rather than being focused on having separate switchable articulations. Just a thought. Thanks again for your excellent reviews - I pretty much depend on them above any other sample library review source now!
Great videos Cory! I'm considering Infinite Woodwinds and Spitfire Studio WW (I watched your video on Spitfire's too). If you had to get just one, which would it be? I can afford Infinite, but I get a 40% edu discount on Spitfire which makes it mighty tempting.
The flute does not sound like a standard orchestral flute. It sounds like an exotic, different type of flute. Playability is nice, but I don't like the actual sound of this particular flute.
Totally agree. Sounds like a hybrid between clarinet and flute. Then range goes into piccolo range, but doesn't sound like a piccolo. Playability is great, but doesn't sound like a flute.
I think I'm using 1.1, but Aaron will keep updating the library based on user feedback, including polishing up legato. Some of the things I suggested to him before making this video were included in the last update.
@@CoryPelizzari thanks for reply Cory ☺️ i find Aron's librairies very impressive but flutes are the only point of this librairy witch make me hesitate to invest. I have eared all videos, audio i can about woodwinds but never flutes with close microphone. Do you know a link where i could ear them ?
@@studio_musique_audionomie I uploaded a track for you to hear - I play Flute 1, Flute 2, Flute 3, Piccolo, Alto Flute and Bass Flute at their driest settings: www.dropbox.com/s/817j6o4uise4n73/Infinite%20Woodwinds%20Dry%20Flutes.wav?dl=0
flute is not sounding as a flute, the playability is sure good, but attention for all this fast vibratos with dynamic controller with your left hand, you can't make it more than 2 minutes...
Sounds amazing. One thing I have to point out - you keep using the modwheel to create a vibrato effect. Vibrato isn't achieved by varying the volume of a note, but the pitch. It's not convincing the way you're doing it, and would obviously be much better to use the actual vibrato tool in the library. Just a quick pointer, not trying to criticize! Great video, thanks!
The library is scripted to allow very slight pitch vibrato when the modwheel is pushed quickly - also, pitch vibrato is used for strings, whereas volume vibrato is more common for woodwinds and brass, because you can't bend the note with your fingers. You have to vary the intensity with your breath, so it's not true vibrato.
@@CoryPelizzari they are also... you speak about large companies with marketing and rd teams etc... not sure the choice is good to align on that, many hobbist are excluded, and finally reduce the numbers of users, not sure it is the more profitable. And finally all that seems less sympathetic...
@@alainthiry3965 It's a fact. Neither you or I can change it. Some things just cost more than a lot of us can agree with but there's nothing I can do on this channel to change the pricing of libraries. I get very little money and there's a ton of libraries I want and still haven't been able to get a hold of after years, so I just roll with it and keep making videos. Prices for orchestral libraries have come down by over half since they were first a novelty in the early 2000's so more people can afford them now than they could before. Also remember, if large deep sampled libraries were forced to come down low enough in price for anyone to get them, many developers including independent ones would no longer be able to make a living through sample libraries. There's always two sides to any conflict.
@@CoryPelizzari it was not you, and i have to thank you for posting interesting videos...... but it seems you don't understand well, if precisely the library is at half of the price i think there will be much more than the double of buyers, so a contrario that you want us to believe, there wil be two happies categories: the users and the developpers... so this is you if you caution this saying nobody can change it you are not right, the buyers (or no-buyers) make that change possible...
@@alainthiry3965 It's theoretically possible on paper but not congruent with reality - if it were, it would have happened already. It's false logic to believe that if you halve the price of libraries it will automatically attract more than double buyers and they will in fact purchase the libraries. It would cause a massive competition in the market that it couldn't handle and developers wouldn't be able to afford to make the libraries and market them anymore and the market would crash. Even if that were not true, you don't have the power to influence the opinion and actions of thousands of people as a collective - I can guarantee that if you tried as hard as you could to start a revolution where customers all band together to try to make this happen, it won't come to fruition. The developers also will push against this as they are trying to make a living, not be philanthropic at their own expense. We're dealing with humans and real world economies here and being idealistic unfortunately doesn't cause the desired result to happen. Life was never fair, but it can be beautiful if we find our own calling and purpose in it. It can be hell if we worry about what we don't have the power or the right to control.
Brownie points to whoever can spot every tribute to other tracks I've included in the play examples. (hint: there are five)
Cory Pelizzari I know one was The Land Before Time. Can’t remember which instrument it was though 😂
The ending is from hook
I thought I heard some of Knopffler's Local Hero in there early on (from the flutes) and then I fancy some "latest trick" inspired sax playing later on (tenor sax 2). And then there were many other times where I was sure parts were familiar but couldn't quite draw them to mind. More classical motifs with lots of lovely expression. I want to say Prokofiev but I think I just can't get Peter and The Wolf out of my head with the nature of the instruments on display.
You've made this sound better than any other demo of it (IMHO). I don't have any of the Infinite's yet but I'm hovering over the button for the 1.4 Brass update. Can I ask if you're using a breath controller for this? (Just listened to more of the video and you answered this question - and that makes this all thew more impressive).
Thanks from a fellow Aussie and VI-er. Hope you're keeping well in this most strange of times.
Aaron Venture's libraries are fantastic. I'm so excited to see how their approach works with strings and percussion
Every time you upload one of these videos, my wallet cries out in pain. In all seriousness, though, this is an excellent demonstration of a very fascinating library! I will have to look into this.
This was awesome. I just got the 2.0 version of this library and was finding it difficult to get all the instruments sounding towards their potential. Seeing your approach was incredibly helpful and your ideas are super inspiring. Finally found the right balance between the dynamic and vibrato controls watching what you were doing. So thanks for making these awesome videos it is really appreciated.
All your examples gives lot of articulations and that mean you're not an ordinary music composer. It not only helps us to decide which one is good for our purpose but very very inspirational.
Because of your discerning reviews, this is now my COREY library!
This was awesome. Thank you so much for taking the time to do these videos. Can't wait for the brass video :) Subbed.
Agreed. Everything here sounds great except the flutes. That English horn sounds great as well as the lower woodwind instruments. I love that you can just play convincing runs and they sound natural! Would love to get this library.
Yeah everything I've played with so far sounds agile and excellent except the flutes. They're kind of underwhelming. If you turn the breath noise knob all the way down, the samples underneath them sound good, but you need breath noise. It's a flute!
El Buhdai do you find the library mixes well with other libraraies?
@@kurttomlinsoncompositions1067 I don't have very many libraries, but it works pretty well for me with the stuff I do have. I thought it being recorded dry would make it hard, but just pick a room and send a tiny bit of your main project's reverb to it and you're fine. The convolution reverb on this is incredible and I honestly hope he releases it as a standalone if possible. Haven't even had to really eq the instruments at all either whereas some of my other stuff sounds terrible without it.
What a great sound and playabilities
Can't wait for the Infinite Brass one. These amazing libraries aren't very popular so I don't get to see them in other people's hands. I really want Infinite Brass but I can't quite get it yet, so hearing you mess around with them will help tremendously.
Great demonstration Cory of this very capable library. It would be cool if it had the ability to overblow the instruments and give them a bit more character..
Nice overview! And good to see a fellow S1 user coloring woodwinds the "correct way" :)
Mixed feelings about this one, what you gain in dynamics and repetition, you lose in overall thin or distant tone and fake sounding attacks. I think this library would sound good layered with other libraries, combining the strengths of both for more realism, but that doesn't help with solo lines.
that portamento on the clarinets makes me wanna play Rhapsody in Blue on them lol
That sounds better like the Real Orchestra. It looks marvelous in my opinion.
I've been wondering what Musical Sampling might do if they tackled woodwinds, but this is quite good to fill gaps in the meantime where Berlin WW is too damn fiddly.
Going back to keyswitches and not being able to play trills and mod vibrato is very hard once you've gotten familiar with this library I feel.
The only drawback I can see with these are having to setup multiple instances to have ensembles. Even with this setup, you will still have more control over each individual instrument . I'm very tempted to get both the woodwinds and brass regardless.
When it comes to ensembles I highly recommend Westgate Woodwinds' ensemble flutes, oboes and bassoons which can be purchased for $40 each and are recorded dry with perfect legato. A good ensemble companion for Infinite Woodwinds because they're a2 ensembles. You can get them at Big Fish Audio.
I really wonder that am I the only one that hear a sound like trumpet at low register of Flutes? Or is it about recording issue or something? BTW Good review Cory👍🏻
I think testing mics individually or blending different along with changing articulations could help us get better picture about quallity of the library. Regards.
I want to buy 3 of those instruments... They all sound nice, but I don't really need all 27 at the moment...
Anyone know where I can get a Contrabassoon without paying for over 2 dozen other instruments to get it?
Vienna Symphonic Library's solo contrabassoon, but you need to buy a Vienna key to run the Vienna software to play the instrument.
@@CoryPelizzari I did see that one, but it seems like a bit of a hassle for such a niche instrument I only use every once in a while.
I also haven't seen any videos of how the mentioned Contrabassoon works.
But thanks for the reply, you video on Swing helped me decide to purchase that when I start working on the music for my next video game.
@@caltherobot720 Might be late, but check Westgate studios woodwinds on Big Fish Audio. They're individual
Hi Cory, just discovered this video (and your channel) via the VI Control forums; I'm both a newbie there and a (re)newbie to digital music composition. One of the biggest things I'm looking for now is *playability* since music is my hobby, not my job. As you can imagine, I'm SUPER excited about the Infinite Woodwinds and Infinite Brass, particularly after watching your thoughtful videos!
Would love your thoughts on whether there are other highly-playable VIs like this you feel I should check out. I already own Virharmonic's Bohemian Violin and love it :-).
There's also Sample Modelling's brass and strings.
@@CoryPelizzari hmm! Thanks, will have to check them out
Hey man how does this compare to Westgate and Fluffy audio's winds?
I dunno but, some of the flutters on both the woodwinds and brass sound a bit off... that’s literally my only concern holding me back from buying them, everything else sounds flawless!
Well.. having just come from the Infinite Brass review, I must say this was a total let down. I am not sure if it is because this was apparently their first one, but the difference between this and the brass is the same as night and day. The tone of these is simply not up to scratch. Extremely synthy. I mean, with the flute, I simply don't know what I was listening to. The bass flute sounds like the love child of a duduk and a fat ocarina. Real pity; I thought at last I had found a great-sounding and playable orchestra. At this point, it will be interesting to wait and see what the strings will be like. But, if they want people to consider buying the whole bundle, the timbre of the woods needs some serious, serious work. At the moment, Audio Modeling woodwinds, though entirely synthetic, sound far closer to the real thing than these.
How can the melody lines sound so smooth without any recorded legato 0.o
Hi Cory. Firstly thanks so much for all of your replies and videos. I was wondering if you have ever used Audio modeling SWAM instruments, and perhaps if you might ever be able to do a comparison between Aaron Venture Infinite Woodwinds and SWAM woodwinds for instance? I realise that they are completely different technologies (sampling versus physical modelling) and ordinarily in wildly different price categories, however, in AUD with the edu discount they become "within the ballpark" of one another. With Aaron venture coming to about $400AUD after edu discount, and SWAM being around about $600AUD after edu discount.
Although they are quite different products, I feel they target a similar user base as they are both good for low-ram, laptop-friendly workflows, and are both designed with play-ability and real time control in mind, rather than being focused on having separate switchable articulations.
Just a thought. Thanks again for your excellent reviews - I pretty much depend on them above any other sample library review source now!
Great videos Cory! I'm considering Infinite Woodwinds and Spitfire Studio WW (I watched your video on Spitfire's too). If you had to get just one, which would it be? I can afford Infinite, but I get a 40% edu discount on Spitfire which makes it mighty tempting.
The flute does not sound like a standard orchestral flute. It sounds like an exotic, different type of flute. Playability is nice, but I don't like the actual sound of this particular flute.
Totally agree. Sounds like a hybrid between clarinet and flute. Then range goes into piccolo range, but doesn't sound like a piccolo. Playability is great, but doesn't sound like a flute.
Heard Fantasia, Your Latest Trick
Splendid video! Are you going to do a video for infinite brass too ? There is no other video than aaron venture's itself. :)
I'm still waiting for Aaron's update to do the brass video. It's taking quite a while.
Thanks Cory ! What version did you use ? As i have eared from update video, version 1.1 is better for flute
I think I'm using 1.1, but Aaron will keep updating the library based on user feedback, including polishing up legato. Some of the things I suggested to him before making this video were included in the last update.
@@CoryPelizzari thanks for reply Cory ☺️ i find Aron's librairies very impressive but flutes are the only point of this librairy witch make me hesitate to invest. I have eared all videos, audio i can about woodwinds but never flutes with close microphone. Do you know a link where i could ear them ?
@@studio_musique_audionomie I uploaded a track for you to hear - I play Flute 1, Flute 2, Flute 3, Piccolo, Alto Flute and Bass Flute at their driest settings:
www.dropbox.com/s/817j6o4uise4n73/Infinite%20Woodwinds%20Dry%20Flutes.wav?dl=0
Thanks you@@CoryPelizzari !!! 😊
is it vst3 download or rar?
A small rar file. It works in the Kontakt vst.
Great playability, but not so good legato transient :D
super library cory,however,as a hobyist,the price is a bit too steap for me
flute is not sounding as a flute, the playability is sure good, but attention for all this fast vibratos with dynamic controller with your left hand, you can't make it more than 2 minutes...
Sounds amazing. One thing I have to point out - you keep using the modwheel to create a vibrato effect. Vibrato isn't achieved by varying the volume of a note, but the pitch. It's not convincing the way you're doing it, and would obviously be much better to use the actual vibrato tool in the library. Just a quick pointer, not trying to criticize! Great video, thanks!
The library is scripted to allow very slight pitch vibrato when the modwheel is pushed quickly - also, pitch vibrato is used for strings, whereas volume vibrato is more common for woodwinds and brass, because you can't bend the note with your fingers. You have to vary the intensity with your breath, so it's not true vibrato.
more than 400 euros, it's too expansive
That's a fairly standard ballpark for deep sampled woodwinds. I can think of 3 others that are closer to a grand.
@@CoryPelizzari they are also... you speak about large companies with marketing and rd teams etc... not sure the choice is good to align on that, many hobbist are excluded, and finally reduce the numbers of users, not sure it is the more profitable. And finally all that seems less sympathetic...
@@alainthiry3965 It's a fact. Neither you or I can change it. Some things just cost more than a lot of us can agree with but there's nothing I can do on this channel to change the pricing of libraries. I get very little money and there's a ton of libraries I want and still haven't been able to get a hold of after years, so I just roll with it and keep making videos. Prices for orchestral libraries have come down by over half since they were first a novelty in the early 2000's so more people can afford them now than they could before. Also remember, if large deep sampled libraries were forced to come down low enough in price for anyone to get them, many developers including independent ones would no longer be able to make a living through sample libraries. There's always two sides to any conflict.
@@CoryPelizzari it was not you, and i have to thank you for posting interesting videos...... but it seems you don't understand well, if precisely the library is at half of the price i think there will be much more than the double of buyers, so a contrario that you want us to believe, there wil be two happies categories: the users and the developpers... so this is you if you caution this saying nobody can change it you are not right, the buyers (or no-buyers) make that change possible...
@@alainthiry3965 It's theoretically possible on paper but not congruent with reality - if it were, it would have happened already. It's false logic to believe that if you halve the price of libraries it will automatically attract more than double buyers and they will in fact purchase the libraries. It would cause a massive competition in the market that it couldn't handle and developers wouldn't be able to afford to make the libraries and market them anymore and the market would crash. Even if that were not true, you don't have the power to influence the opinion and actions of thousands of people as a collective - I can guarantee that if you tried as hard as you could to start a revolution where customers all band together to try to make this happen, it won't come to fruition. The developers also will push against this as they are trying to make a living, not be philanthropic at their own expense. We're dealing with humans and real world economies here and being idealistic unfortunately doesn't cause the desired result to happen. Life was never fair, but it can be beautiful if we find our own calling and purpose in it. It can be hell if we worry about what we don't have the power or the right to control.
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