I think the point with Gulool Ja is the irony that Zoraal Ja obsessed with proving himself to be the miracle child, but throwing the one miracle he created away.
Well if this is going in the direction I think it is, it’s more than likely the Sphene we know will have a completely different appearance (possibly in the likeness of a certain FF9 princess) when we meet back up with her
They could either go through route of making the colors not as bright or vibrant or make her wear something completely different but a similar color scheme
Theory: Buckle up for this! The Sphene you saw in Solution 9 is a backup. Before we shut down the Meso terminal, Sphene backed herself up just in case things didn't go as planned. The second Sphene Y'shotla finds is the real Sphene. By real I mean the flesh and blood Sphene. How do I know this? Think about it. Through DT everyone said she died, but not how. Even through the Alaxandrian Flash back scenes in the last dungeon nothing showed she died there. What it does show is that they were able to preserve her memories. No mention of her death. I think Sphene herself was preserved, just like he memories and the shutdown of the Meso terminal set her free.
Good theory, and I also believe the Sphene Y'shtola found is the real one. But I want to point out one thing. In a sidequest, that you can do in Living Memory, it is mentioned that Sphene died of a severe case of levin sickness. Yet it is possible this didn't happen, it might be something that was told to the people.
@@vespi57 We see now that the regulators can not only delete memories but implant different and even manufactured ones. They wouldn't even need to tell the people anything. Just implant the wrong memories in the people who were involved and let nature take its course.
The scientist guy introduced in the secret lab, Kanilokka, is probably the one behind this ending. They focused on him in a weird way in his cutscene and it feels like it was telling us to watch out for him.
@@heartfullbutterfly314 There may well be some Ascian shenanigans down the line, but Im thinking its someone from Preservation just basically "piloting" a robot body with Sphenes image projected over it
"Why, I am Sphene! The Queen of Reason...my oldest and dearest friend." Also, if it actually is Zenos, would be a great way to bring Zero back into the story. Just sayin'.
The way I see it, Zoraal Ja likely thought he was infertile due to his origins of being Gulool Ja Ja's (also thought to be infertile) biological son, so when he realized that whatever offscreen boning he had with Tesheel Ja actually produced results, he immediately spiraled on the spot... As for the... imposter, NGL, I was quite terrified by this iteration unlike the one we've initially met. This one seems to have no qualms straight-up rewriting memories, not just deleting them...
People keep forgetting that Primals are still a thing. ALOT of aether was released with the shutting down of the terminals, an entire city unable to get over her passing and wanting to see their Queen again. (But i really hope its the Ascians) Kanarra Fhey - Grinding Gear - Coeurl
I took the whole thing with gulool ja and zoraal ja that he honestly didn’t think he could have a son. Since his own birth and existence was so rare to begin with, he probably didn’t think another blue scaled whatever he is was possible from the same rare child he was.
Their home shard is fucked beyond repair thanks to a strange "discovery" and incredible Aetherial imbalance. Meanwhile in secret labs they've been getting up to some Allagan level fuckery. There is 100% an Ascian somewhere in the mix.
My first thought about the appearance of "Sphene" in Solution Nine was, that she might be an Ascian. I'm purely speculating here, but somehow it could be possible. As far as I know, two Ascians, that were part of the Convocation of Fourteen, are still at large: Pashtarot and Halmarut. And Yoshi-P has hinted that we haven't seen the last of the Ascians yet.
Often, the simplest answer is usually the correct answer. Sometimes, it's more complex or convoluted... Personally, I think that they got intimate, and he probably believed himself unable to sire children, as he is an anomaly himself.
@@Alissandre_Iskander Orrr that his own insecurities (the ones he aired to his son at his own death) created such distress for him that he lashed out. Now THAT would be the simplest answer.
My own crack theory is we inadvertently brought back something from Yuweyawata Field Station. We likely carried it back to Solution 9 on the memory device that Gulool Ja used to download the files. That something was what caused the whole field station to go haywire, criss-crossing souls, and high-jacking the researchers like they were organic robots. And the zombies are just the remnants of these researchers that were left with just the final command in their memories: more souls! This Sphene, then, is possibly the brainchild of Overseer Kanilokka, who wanted a backup plan for creating a tural vidraal that can be controlled for war. He was a devoted believer in Zoraal Ja's vision of instigating a massive world war to teach the world the lesson of the sin of war. He managed to copy Queen Sphene's data and create a corrupted clone, which he knew would somehow manage to make its way back to Solution 9 to carry out his plan even if he perished before he could see it through. I also think the Lunipyati was a red herring. Lunipyati was a test tural vidraal. Kanilokka potentially had another one sealed somewhere else, which he believed 5,000 souls could potentially control. And if he wasn't around to conduct the experiments, then the corrupted Queen could do it in his stead. Kanilokka, in this way, could create Sin. The 5,000 initial souls, or sacrifices, would kickstart an endless dream -or nightmare- to teach over and over the people the sin of war.
As soon as we got to the Wild West zone I was thinking "what is this 4-kids anime dub voice direction", so maybe that's just the house style for whatever US dubbing studio they went with.
I appreciate that they tried to give more development to a lot of the characters, Zoraal'ja is still confusing why he is so traumatized or whatever It does feel like they are reacting and patching up story complaints though, Hopefully not and they know where they wanna go. Either way, I still find it funny there are some people who are saying this is FF's Shadowlands when that isn't the case at all, Give them time to cook, Dawntrail was almost a reset in every way in the story, this is just the beginning of the next saga.
no, they hinted at it when he was dying, that he abandoned him because he didnt knew how to be a father and the reason is hinted to be a very estranged relationship between him and Gulool Ja Ja of which the nickname Wuk Lamatt has is another hint
@@neobahumuth6 I swear people forgot all about all this character exposition when he was dying - the information in that scene is critical to recall at this point in the story. It explains everything about why they are estranged. Also they aren't "patching up story complaints". This is the story they wrote and have planned to tell - and people are too damn impatient to read a book from chapter 1 apparently.
I was doing some blue quests and one of them that unlocks the Ananta Allied Society quests, also has a Miqote boy believing he was abandoned. Who's parents also sacrificed themselves.
I think the 1st Sphene is either Ascian manipulation, or some individual native to Solution 9. The 2nd Sphene is likely the actual uncleansed soul and mind of the original, having been successfully extracted from her dying body and stashed away while Preservation made a construct they controlled with her memories and a cleansed series of souls as needed. Otis' story of what happened is likely what he heard and believed w/o knowing the real details.
I REALLY hope they aren't just redoing Ardbert/Elidibus again, but I really think they are. Neo-Sphene is an Ascian and we're going to have a 5.3 gauntlet style dungeon fighting the zombified people wearing the neo regulators. Or they're going to try and put them all into beasts like the new dungeon. Or possibly robots. Or some kind of hybrid between the 2 like we see in Origenics. Also, I will say 7.1 was absolutely an improvement over 7.0.
You aren't the problem, Jesse (41:44) - they can't even spell Rroneek correctly, let alone get voice actors to say it right! At 39:43 - when Wuk Lamat is speaking, it's spelled 'Rroreek' in her speech bubble. Rofl.
Y'all its not Zenos. He deader than dead. Spoilers Below: . , , , , , , Teeshal Ja is the one controlling Sphene. She's 100% the post Dawntrail bad guy. She's not actually dead, I refuse to believe it. Real Sphene is in the last scene. We're going to fight Teeshal Ja 100% before the next patch. I WILL DIE ON THIS HILL
Spoiler below . . . . We already fought her. She was in the rabbit hence why we got her in the echo. Otherwise they'd break the very rules of how the echo works since "monsters don't have souls" so we can't get it from the Vidral. Also, can't get it from the land since we are at the bottom of the crater when it happens and the cutscene is at the top.
@@apollyontw7863no,that Titanbanquet story damn near made me quit the game.😅ARR was ROUGH. I'm still glad I did it tho,and I'm sure I'll feel the same about Dawntrail in time.
@@apollyontw7863 The Story in ARR was NOT captivating what the fuck are you on about lmfao Every major part of ARR's story had to be reintroduced in Stormblood and then Shadowbringers and Endwalker, because ARR was such a shitshow that didn't know what it wanted to do. Stormblood had to follow up on the Ala Mhigo plot, Shadowbringers had to follow up on the Ascian plot, and Endwalker had to tie up the Garlemald plot-- and all three of these had to work overtime to make the Scions actually good characters. The Primals? Cool fights, but between each, you had the most unbearable fucking dogshit fetch quests, delivering WINE for fuck's sake. The Ascians? The most boring, one-note, uninteresting villains the series has ever seen-- in a franchise of Kefkas and Sephiroths and Ardyns. Shadowbringers and Endwalker elevated them to peak fiction status by fleshing them out, showing their motivations, leaving their sins abhorrent and unforgivable, yet understandable and empathetic. Garlemald? Generic Evil for the Sake of Evil Empire riffing off of 12's, with absolutely zero redeeming qualities. Like, fucking GAIUS? Darth Vader at home. Shadowbringers' Werlyt and then Endwalker's Garlemald section really got to the root of what kind of people the Garleans were, what desperation and history of their own oppression, exacerbated by a chaotic and manipulative Emet-Selch, could bring them to such deplorable measures as we've witnessed through the lifetime. The Scions were fucking useless, literally dead weight. Minfilia and Alphinaud, chief amongst them. They were given actual development and purpose in every single expansion afterwards, save Stormblood. And all of that was in the BASE game. The Post-Patches were EVEN WORSE. Like, ARR is SO fucking awful that the weakest parts of every single expansion afterwards, save Shadowbringers, are intrinsically a result of those expansions trying to improve and tie up those loose ARR threads. Dawntrail, for all its faults, has a story it wants to tell, and doesn't dillydally and try to spread itself so thin tackling these different plots. A story about leadership, learning, resolve, familial bonds, and death and legacy. And it's designed to actually springboard off of the pre-established world-building and lore and themes and narratives in Shadowbringers and Endwalker for the next few expacs, namely the matter of Souls and the Lifestream, the Heart of Sabik and Auracite, the Ancients, the Reflections, Ultima, and Azem.
"You vidraal!"
Hm, yes, today international relations shall be impacted.
Zenos is back, confirmed. My greatest enemy, my greatest friend.
Sphenos
I think the point with Gulool Ja is the irony that Zoraal Ja obsessed with proving himself to be the miracle child, but throwing the one miracle he created away.
So, like, how are we going to tell the two Sphenes apart? Maybe we need a nickname for actual Sphene. Something like Dagger.
Well if this is going in the direction I think it is, it’s more than likely the Sphene we know will have a completely different appearance (possibly in the likeness of a certain FF9 princess) when we meet back up with her
@@DarkKnightofAnimeI have the same idea as well. That princess in FF9 in full hyur body!
one of them can be SPHEEEEEENNNEEEEE !!! and the other one just Sphene
@@throgdarthebrute old meme
They could either go through route of making the colors not as bright or vibrant or make her wear something completely different but a similar color scheme
Theory: Buckle up for this! The Sphene you saw in Solution 9 is a backup. Before we shut down the Meso terminal, Sphene backed herself up just in case things didn't go as planned. The second Sphene Y'shotla finds is the real Sphene. By real I mean the flesh and blood Sphene. How do I know this? Think about it. Through DT everyone said she died, but not how. Even through the Alaxandrian Flash back scenes in the last dungeon nothing showed she died there. What it does show is that they were able to preserve her memories. No mention of her death. I think Sphene herself was preserved, just like he memories and the shutdown of the Meso terminal set her free.
Good theory, and I also believe the Sphene Y'shtola found is the real one. But I want to point out one thing. In a sidequest, that you can do in Living Memory, it is mentioned that Sphene died of a severe case of levin sickness. Yet it is possible this didn't happen, it might be something that was told to the people.
@@vespi57 i didn't know about that last part. That's good to know.
I agree. I believe that it’s the flesh and blood Sphene that is in Living Memory.
@@vespi57 Big Corpo put out the story for this most likely
@@vespi57 We see now that the regulators can not only delete memories but implant different and even manufactured ones. They wouldn't even need to tell the people anything. Just implant the wrong memories in the people who were involved and let nature take its course.
The scientist guy introduced in the secret lab, Kanilokka, is probably the one behind this ending. They focused on him in a weird way in his cutscene and it feels like it was telling us to watch out for him.
It cant be Zenos in Sphene, he wouldn't smile like that as we WALKED AWAY from him!
Yeah i don't think it's zenos but I do smell an Ascian. There are several we never met after all
@@heartfullbutterfly314 There may well be some Ascian shenanigans down the line, but Im thinking its someone from Preservation just basically "piloting" a robot body with Sphenes image projected over it
@Cyc1one62 honestly that's the more likely scenario
@@heartfullbutterfly314 Or, hear me out, Preservation was created by and is still in the control of an Ascian. It is kinda their thing.
The moment he saw Sphene walk, that smile.. you know his brain is running Overdrive mode. 😂😂
"Why, I am Sphene! The Queen of Reason...my oldest and dearest friend." Also, if it actually is Zenos, would be a great way to bring Zero back into the story. Just sayin'.
The way I see it, Zoraal Ja likely thought he was infertile due to his origins of being Gulool Ja Ja's (also thought to be infertile) biological son, so when he realized that whatever offscreen boning he had with Tesheel Ja actually produced results, he immediately spiraled on the spot...
As for the... imposter, NGL, I was quite terrified by this iteration unlike the one we've initially met. This one seems to have no qualms straight-up rewriting memories, not just deleting them...
People keep forgetting that Primals are still a thing.
ALOT of aether was released with the shutting down of the terminals, an entire city unable to get over her passing and wanting to see their Queen again.
(But i really hope its the Ascians)
Kanarra Fhey - Grinding Gear - Coeurl
As far as I want to see the last two Ascians, I'm on the idea of we see them in the next expansion instead of post DT.
I took the whole thing with gulool ja and zoraal ja that he honestly didn’t think he could have a son. Since his own birth and existence was so rare to begin with, he probably didn’t think another blue scaled whatever he is was possible from the same rare child he was.
It's an Ascian until otherwise proven to not be an Ascian. Even then it was probably caused by an Ascian at some point in the past.
Their home shard is fucked beyond repair thanks to a strange "discovery" and incredible Aetherial imbalance. Meanwhile in secret labs they've been getting up to some Allagan level fuckery. There is 100% an Ascian somewhere in the mix.
[3:10] "ITCHY. TASTY."
when you said it's Zenos. i laught out loud that even the Neighbors got surly frighted at 1 AM.. dam you :)
My first thought about the appearance of "Sphene" in Solution Nine was, that she might be an Ascian. I'm purely speculating here, but somehow it could be possible. As far as I know, two Ascians, that were part of the Convocation of Fourteen, are still at large: Pashtarot and Halmarut. And Yoshi-P has hinted that we haven't seen the last of the Ascians yet.
It's an ascian I tell ye! A BLOODY ASCIAN! [grandpa shouts at cloud]
I expected to see a red sigil at a particular point and I did not - but I remain a holdout on it.
@@laerwen oh that's for .2 or .3
Queen Zphenos viator Galvus
The ending reminded me of when Elidibus was using Ardbert's body as a puppet, it even played Shadowbringers music.
They could show actual onscreen graphic lizard sex and you could still talk yourself into believing he’s a clone
Often, the simplest answer is usually the correct answer. Sometimes, it's more complex or convoluted...
Personally, I think that they got intimate, and he probably believed himself unable to sire children, as he is an anomaly himself.
@@Alissandre_Iskander Orrr that his own insecurities (the ones he aired to his son at his own death) created such distress for him that he lashed out. Now THAT would be the simplest answer.
She who lifts her tail.
Its Ron-EEk on even patches, and Ron-ek on odd patches. :')
My own crack theory is we inadvertently brought back something from Yuweyawata Field Station. We likely carried it back to Solution 9 on the memory device that Gulool Ja used to download the files. That something was what caused the whole field station to go haywire, criss-crossing souls, and high-jacking the researchers like they were organic robots. And the zombies are just the remnants of these researchers that were left with just the final command in their memories: more souls!
This Sphene, then, is possibly the brainchild of Overseer Kanilokka, who wanted a backup plan for creating a tural vidraal that can be controlled for war. He was a devoted believer in Zoraal Ja's vision of instigating a massive world war to teach the world the lesson of the sin of war. He managed to copy Queen Sphene's data and create a corrupted clone, which he knew would somehow manage to make its way back to Solution 9 to carry out his plan even if he perished before he could see it through.
I also think the Lunipyati was a red herring. Lunipyati was a test tural vidraal. Kanilokka potentially had another one sealed somewhere else, which he believed 5,000 souls could potentially control. And if he wasn't around to conduct the experiments, then the corrupted Queen could do it in his stead.
Kanilokka, in this way, could create Sin. The 5,000 initial souls, or sacrifices, would kickstart an endless dream -or nightmare- to teach over and over the people the sin of war.
As soon as we got to the Wild West zone I was thinking "what is this 4-kids anime dub voice direction", so maybe that's just the house style for whatever US dubbing studio they went with.
I appreciate that they tried to give more development to a lot of the characters, Zoraal'ja is still confusing why he is so traumatized or whatever
It does feel like they are reacting and patching up story complaints though, Hopefully not and they know where they wanna go.
Either way, I still find it funny there are some people who are saying this is FF's Shadowlands when that isn't the case at all, Give them time to cook,
Dawntrail was almost a reset in every way in the story, this is just the beginning of the next saga.
no, they hinted at it when he was dying, that he abandoned him because he didnt knew how to be a father and the reason is hinted to be a very estranged relationship between him and Gulool Ja Ja of which the nickname Wuk Lamatt has is another hint
@@neobahumuth6 I swear people forgot all about all this character exposition when he was dying - the information in that scene is critical to recall at this point in the story. It explains everything about why they are estranged. Also they aren't "patching up story complaints". This is the story they wrote and have planned to tell - and people are too damn impatient to read a book from chapter 1 apparently.
Gulool Ja is Nero Devil May Cry confirmed.
I was doing some blue quests and one of them that unlocks the Ananta Allied Society quests, also has a Miqote boy believing he was abandoned. Who's parents also sacrificed themselves.
I just noticed: Koana is thrown to the right but then stands up and is left of the ronEEk.
I think the 1st Sphene is either Ascian manipulation, or some individual native to Solution 9. The 2nd Sphene is likely the actual uncleansed soul and mind of the original, having been successfully extracted from her dying body and stashed away while Preservation made a construct they controlled with her memories and a cleansed series of souls as needed. Otis' story of what happened is likely what he heard and believed w/o knowing the real details.
1:31:04 - Man, could you imagine the horror that would come if The Final Days were still a thing at this time period.
I REALLY hope they aren't just redoing Ardbert/Elidibus again, but I really think they are. Neo-Sphene is an Ascian and we're going to have a 5.3 gauntlet style dungeon fighting the zombified people wearing the neo regulators. Or they're going to try and put them all into beasts like the new dungeon. Or possibly robots. Or some kind of hybrid between the 2 like we see in Origenics. Also, I will say 7.1 was absolutely an improvement over 7.0.
1:04:00 i admit that i was expectinf the same song you were expecting. They did a fine job baiting us.
46:30 truer words have not been spoken. Ive been wearing glasses since 1st grade
Somehow Sphene returned.
What? Dont tell me you didnt make any back up on some of your savefiles? 😂😂
Got here from a Dodger 'Until Dawn', but damn I still love Cox.
1:23:36 i know you dont follow anime much but Overlord does a good job explaining how it could have been.
1:23:43 Seems Jesse haven't seen the Overlord lizards 😅
You aren't the problem, Jesse (41:44) - they can't even spell Rroneek correctly, let alone get voice actors to say it right! At 39:43 - when Wuk Lamat is speaking, it's spelled 'Rroreek' in her speech bubble. Rofl.
zenos is back to eat the moon!
So Jesse... Lunipyati has the same hair style and colour as Cahciua's avatar did... Thoughts?
Scene was not glowing like she normally did
Awesome mission
Ladies and gentlemen, the weeken … oh wait!
Galool Ja was keyboard cat.
47:24 so….this is Monster Hunter now? 😂
Honestly I hated the Zenos card every other time but if it was Zenos this time I would be 1000% here for it.
Y'all its not Zenos. He deader than dead.
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Teeshal Ja is the one controlling Sphene. She's 100% the post Dawntrail bad guy. She's not actually dead, I refuse to believe it. Real Sphene is in the last scene. We're going to fight Teeshal Ja 100% before the next patch.
I WILL DIE ON THIS HILL
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We already fought her. She was in the rabbit hence why we got her in the echo. Otherwise they'd break the very rules of how the echo works since "monsters don't have souls" so we can't get it from the Vidral. Also, can't get it from the land since we are at the bottom of the crater when it happens and the cutscene is at the top.
ngl the part in shaaloani was sooo effing tedious to do xD then again i dont really like koana as a character somehow ._.
meow
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Teeshal Jaa is full on Yandere.
Where is Skyrim?
Todd Howard traded it for a sandwich.
I'm trying to have faith in this story arch..but uh so far its not looking good
Come back in two expansions if you want a more developed story.
@ ARR could be slow but the story was captivating and left you wanting more..this just isn’t hitting the feels and the dialogue is terrible
@@apollyontw7863no,that Titanbanquet story damn near made me quit the game.😅ARR was ROUGH.
I'm still glad I did it tho,and I'm sure I'll feel the same about Dawntrail in time.
@@apollyontw7863 The Story in ARR was NOT captivating what the fuck are you on about lmfao
Every major part of ARR's story had to be reintroduced in Stormblood and then Shadowbringers and Endwalker, because ARR was such a shitshow that didn't know what it wanted to do. Stormblood had to follow up on the Ala Mhigo plot, Shadowbringers had to follow up on the Ascian plot, and Endwalker had to tie up the Garlemald plot-- and all three of these had to work overtime to make the Scions actually good characters.
The Primals? Cool fights, but between each, you had the most unbearable fucking dogshit fetch quests, delivering WINE for fuck's sake.
The Ascians? The most boring, one-note, uninteresting villains the series has ever seen-- in a franchise of Kefkas and Sephiroths and Ardyns. Shadowbringers and Endwalker elevated them to peak fiction status by fleshing them out, showing their motivations, leaving their sins abhorrent and unforgivable, yet understandable and empathetic.
Garlemald? Generic Evil for the Sake of Evil Empire riffing off of 12's, with absolutely zero redeeming qualities. Like, fucking GAIUS? Darth Vader at home. Shadowbringers' Werlyt and then Endwalker's Garlemald section really got to the root of what kind of people the Garleans were, what desperation and history of their own oppression, exacerbated by a chaotic and manipulative Emet-Selch, could bring them to such deplorable measures as we've witnessed through the lifetime.
The Scions were fucking useless, literally dead weight. Minfilia and Alphinaud, chief amongst them. They were given actual development and purpose in every single expansion afterwards, save Stormblood.
And all of that was in the BASE game. The Post-Patches were EVEN WORSE. Like, ARR is SO fucking awful that the weakest parts of every single expansion afterwards, save Shadowbringers, are intrinsically a result of those expansions trying to improve and tie up those loose ARR threads.
Dawntrail, for all its faults, has a story it wants to tell, and doesn't dillydally and try to spread itself so thin tackling these different plots. A story about leadership, learning, resolve, familial bonds, and death and legacy. And it's designed to actually springboard off of the pre-established world-building and lore and themes and narratives in Shadowbringers and Endwalker for the next few expacs, namely the matter of Souls and the Lifestream, the Heart of Sabik and Auracite, the Ancients, the Reflections, Ultima, and Azem.
MCH needs a AMR skill!