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- Underoath - Three Thoughts on Christianity
For more than 15 years Underoath has been sharpening its fierce eloquence when it comes to pounding out the Christian-slanted hard rock that has earned the band a glowing global rep. Blending post-hardcore and heavy metal with a decent dose of screamo, the Tampa outfit featuring Aaron Gillespie and Spencer Chamberlain has moved from blustery broadsides like “I’ve Got Ten Friends and a Crowbar That Says You Ain’t Gonna Do Jack” to refined explosions such as those that dot their first disc in eight years, ‘Erase Me.’ The album hits hard. From “Bloodlust” to “I Gave Up” the band rails through a storm of sound. But that sound is no-longer associated with overt Christian perspectives. Chamberlain has told the press that they “couldn’t grow musically” under that banner, and once they let it go they “became healthy, happy....and were able to create again.” Our ‘Three Thoughts’ interview finds them amplifying that notion, with the guys questioning recent actions in the name of Christianity. “When you believe in the rules and not the reason [behind them], then you got an issue,” says Gillespie. Watch them shoot from the hip about the act of speaking truth to power.
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I’d love to see these guys sit down with Head from Korn and just chat. See them talk about overcoming drug use, and moving forward in life. That would be an amazing conversation to watch!
They’re putting into words the very frustration I’ve had with the Christian church for the last couple years, and I remember listening to their music as a teenager and assuming they had their spiritual lives down pat, it’s actually a bit of a relief to see them be real and honest about modern Christian culture and its pitfalls of ‘perfection’
American Christianity is a deeply flawed system. It has become less about the purity of doctrine and more about selling a product or idea and it has gone so far away from what the truth of scripture actually teaches. If you get enough people into a good thing eventually some of those people will figure out a way to commercialize it and capitalize on it until it becomes a bad taste in everyone’s mouth even though what is being sold by the same name doesn’t even resemble the original product to begin with. I recommend watching the documentary “American Gospel: Christ Alone”
"They are only chasing safety"
Luca Breeze Nice
Luca Breeze damn...
Bravo sir
Luca Breeze act of depression
I die for my god if i have to remember promise new earth
Doesn’t sound like they’ve turned their backs on God, just religion. Jesus opposed the system and challenged religious leaders resulting in his murder. Don’t get why people cant see whats right in front of them.
EXACTLY
I agree!
Ive been unreligious since I was 13, it hurts to see them take so long to see what I seen as a kid.. I'm homeless and hopeless but I still have faith in myself, if the creator or creators help me along the way, I'm open.. but I don't believe religion is a good thing for anyone..
It's all in the same: God, Family, Church. Turning your back on one is the same as God & The Bible says a startling thing about a lukewarm faith: It tells us that God detests it. He even warns, “So, because you are lukewarm - neither hot nor cold - I am about to spit you out of my mouth” (Revelation 3:16). Does that sound harsh? It may at first - but remember: Jesus Christ left the glory of heaven and willingly shed His blood on the cross for us. He loves us that much! How can we remain indifferent to Him?
If this describes you, don’t despair. God wants to forgive you and draw you closer to Himself - and He will, as you repent of your sin and commit yourself without reserve to Christ. Begin a new journey with Christ today. Then get in a church where Christ is preached and lived, so you can continue to grow in your faith. You’ll never regret it.
@@jacobslaughter5092 it hurts that you've been fooled by other's or even hurt. I'm sorry that you are blind.
"Some will seek forgiveness,others escape"
No one can escape either we seek forgiveness or God says have your way and we suffer in our own decisions
You're implying that a drug addict owes the church community an apology and you sound stupid
"Hey unloving, i will love you"
those lyrics they wrote themselves failed to materialize in the real world for them. i was a newborn christian in 10th grade over ten years ago thanks to Underoath. Then over time, i developed a distaste for how inconsistent the church was. So many denominations, so many different outlooks and mindsets. It became redundant to me. I was a methodist, then go to a baptist church and they felt more free, then attended a southern baptist (yes its different) and felt negative messages from the pastor.
christianity is a mess and i couldn't stay true. if i were to label myself, its agnostic. id one hundred percent love to devote myself to a creator, but its impossible if you aren't someone thats good enough and visually different as the general populus of christians are very judgemental. "general" is the majority. i lucked out during high school going to a backroads church where everyone were just farmers and joke cracking tobacco smokers, they loved us new kids coming in to church sunday wearing black. go to a church where the population isnt just 34 people and over 340, thats when you start realizing how judgemental and horrible the christian community is as a whole.
@@phylazen5649 I actually used to go to church with Aaron Gillespie, (Primarily his wife and son Joel, who was just a baby at the time, which they attended every Sunday.) It was a really nonjudgmental, young hipster church. Aaron's wife worked at Starbucks at the time, she would bring the steel coffee machines over and let everyone enjoy it, back then. Church was held in the little New Port Richey's (A small town on the west coast of Florida, about 45 minutes north west of Tampa...) Seacoast theatre, built in the 1930s, I believe. Maybe even 20s.
Funny enough, I've never seen Aaron drum live or UO, but was drumming for the church and you know what that means, ;)
Yes, Aaron's seen me drum live, but I've yet to ever witnessed the legend himself perform live and in person.
Hope your morning goes well! Enjoy the breeze!
@@phylazen5649 well, Christianity is a mess but so is everyone else in the world including you. I bet you didn't go feed the needy today or help someone out for free because you're fucked up too! Just like all of us! With that being said, shut the Fook up!
There’s a lot of honesty and humility in a such a short video. Conversations like this are needed. The church needs to hear things like this with open and humble hearts. That is how things get changed for the better.
Totally, I'm christian.. And I dont like the heading underoath is taking; For me it's like they are just pissed with the life, with the choices that they and people around took and it's far away with God's will, but mostly of the churches are just for the money and lost the meaning.
And the same goes for them, people grow when Both side's listen and talk but not talked at.
True but this band shouldn’t have given up. How can you believe in eternal life and throw it away because a bunch of HUMANS hurt your feelings?
The people in the comments are mostly proving their point. I’m not Christian at all, but respect to the ones who didn’t just go an judge them.
Bro. That’s what I’m saying. These comments are the exact same shit they’re talking about and all these Christians are too blind to realize it. It kills me.
Braden Groundwater
And what exactly is your definition of “judgement”?
Mahou Shoujo
Eh, sounds like a victim mentality to me. He lost his faith based on how people treated him. He has more trust in people than he does God.
Drew Kocak
How are we “too blind?”
I feel like you're a little out of the loop. Don't you know how Underoath got to where they are today? What about who got them there? I hope a little context will provide some clarity to you.
I just had the exact same thoughts as them , went through the same thing , I can to the conclusion that even during my deliberate sin Jesus still loves and accepts me , that's how I met my best friend who has encouraged me to just be ME and that's ok and through that I've come to understand why certain are wrong and why God has set certain rules , but there is freedom even in the boundaries. If you love God more than anything else , nothing , no judgemental or religious people will take you from Him. He doesn't change His mind about the love He has for us individually.
Wow. A lot of "Christians" came here with their comments of negative judgment. Pretty much just confirms everything Underoath are talking about.
@WorkDanship no lmao
I'm not seeing anything like that. I know it's been 5 years, but maybe you should come back and read these comments again
Aaron, can you comment on your two worship albums?
Lets be real here...$$$$. Christian music is such an easy market to manipulate, and artist/bands take advantage of it. There are still legit hearts out there though.
He stated he stands by those albums and professes that he beleives in Jesus Christ and that he is the son of God, was crucified, and rose again. He says he follows christ but not in an organized way meaning he avoids Churches and denomonations and reads the bible to himself and follows his faith the way he wants to.
Without a community with leaders who can faithfully interpret the scripture he's reading he runs the risk of being convicted of things that aren't true. I hope he can connect with some solid Christians who aren't scared to hang with him.
vandalistica vlogs You speak true thats how protestantism happened, and why now there are 30,000 different secs and all lost from the truth. Some are so far gone they’re not even really Christian. What ever makes these guys happy I support.
YOu can't follow Christ apart from the body of Christ (the church). That's like trying to be a tongue that isn't connected to a body.
"Without love we are nothing"
1 Corinthians 13:2 📖💖🕊
Gaaayyyyyhhhh
Love does not rejoice in wrong doing
Amen.
You know, the problem with Christians is that everyone keeps trying to become better versions of themselves, rather than a more accurate reflection of Him.
Just think about this before you get triggered and start replying.
I agree, the word Christian is only used but 1-3 times in the Bible Jesus refers to his followers as disciples meaning they take advise wholeheartedly from him.
Wow, seriously that was profound Benedict! Well said brother - the Word says that we should not compare ourselves to others - only that we are to be followers of Christ &, in doing so, declare & reveal Him to those around us. It's too bad though that these two gentlemen have seemed to throw the proverbial baby out with the bathwater. They seem to have taken their eyes off the only perfect One & put it on sinful men who are bound to let us down. And, just like Peter walking on the water, when he took his eyes off Jesus, he started to sink beneath the waves - seems like these guys have too but we continue to pray for God to bring them back by His amazin' grace!
Hear me out on this, despite that this comment is 3 years old lol
I am a believer.
I believe that we are created in God's image. Our selves are reflections of God (however warped or twisted or blurry the reflections may be) because we all bear God's image.
Is it not the same thing to become a better version of yourself, and to become a more accurate reflection of God?
Why draw a line between the two phrases that encapsulate the same idea, is what I am asking.
See I’m a Christian but I have had these exact same thoughts & questions. The problem is, it is almost impossible to ask these questions if still call yourself a Christian. I admire that they are deconstructing their faith and asking the tough things openly to start discussions. I wish these were more normalized within the Christian community, God never said we weren’t allowed to be curious or ask questions. It’s the people that shame us or make us feel like we’re not “Christian enough” for even suggesting we’re not perfect
Honestly this is better for them as a band, because they're not held to religious but an honest standard which probably is harder but more freeing, they can ask tough questions without having to question themselves about questioning.
Exactly! I think everyone's just trying to find a place where they feel good and content but, in order to do that, we have to ask questions and then find the answers to these questions. For many of us, knowing creates a sense of peace and helps eliminate cognitive dissonance. So I honestly hate when believers are shunned for merely asking questions or for reaching different conclusions.
I understand you friend, religion hurt me personally by keeping me in a bubble for almost all my life, when the bubble burst, I collapsed and I didn't know what to do until today
"when you believe in the rules and not the reason then you e got issues" yes YES! Thank you.
But without the law you're lost to fallow Satan Blindly and Happily.
@@Meg_Lovegood that's not the point. If you blindly follow the these rules, it is an issue. I doubt God wants a bunch people following his law without knowing why or asking questions
@Yo Daddy The Bible is supremely outdated for the time and struggles to help with many worries of modern society. The Rules were written for a different time, for different people.
Unless you really need rules on when you should stone your wife to death or not.
@Yo Daddy Holy shit 3 replies that fast, man is seething. I don't have to try.
This made my heart unbelievably happy, the vulnerability and truth shown is hella brave and much appreciated. Many of us feel the same🙏🏽
I've always been able to openly ask questions about my christianity
I'd say most are allowed, it's just that the answers they get are absolute trash
@@juhadexcelsior "Father, why did God kill Rufus?" "Because you touch yourself at night Billy. Say ten hail marys and meet me in the back room."
Man Spencer had a rough go. I’m genuinely sorry that you didn’t get the support you were looking for dude. Glad you’re happy now.
Atheist here. Leading a happy and healthy life with a great family, good friends, and a firm grasp on who I am and my place in the world. No hate toward Christians, but Christianity is not the only way to live a good life, and I have ZERO concerns about what happens after my time here is done.
TheQuietOne75
You should have a concern about what will happen to you when you die
Sure “Christianity” seems it’s about a good life & offers all great things. But Christ wasn’t all about that. He also spoke about how following him would mean that the work would hate us. And that speaking about him would would bring persecution. Christianity is no where near about living a good life although as the Bible says, it’s a gift from God to live one, it is more about putting our faith that Christ is the way to eternal life. A life in paradise. If you really don’t mind what happens after we’re gone. Then all this life doesn’t matter cause it would cease to exist. Then why would it matter? But if people keep living, even after death then why would it matter if we lived a happy life when you’d live one after, forever in heaven. The only way to God is through Christ :) but yes there are many ways to be happy
Austin Nope, none at all. I live my life each day trying to be better than the last, and put my happiness first.
Monica Barragan To each their own. I disagree, but respect your right to believe what you want.
Well, no need to boast about atheism here - given the fact that all te loudest atheists are kind of republicans minus the god-speak. Radical atheists too behave very often with a religious kind of zeal. They support more guns, they support Zionism (because they see Israel as a protective wall against their Islamophobic conspiracist thoughts), heck they even support torture (Sam Harris). Name me one thing in which especially the New Atheists differ from Christian American Republicans - there is none (apart from the god-speak, which is an irrelevant detail). So let's just consider all those "identities" suspicious. No one "is" (just) Christian or "is" (just) atheist, etc. Those labels are not always as different as people think.
As a Christian. Not labeled, nor promote...I welcome ANYONE I do not judge, in your Instance Spencer,...I would be more than happy to discuss my personal approach on "getting the upper arm" On addiction! As a product of the addiction trait, I am able to live comfortably and content. As THERE is no REAL way to be addiction, per se, but there is a better place to be.. I definitely agree with your points 100 percent.. but the Christian people that think in the way you both describe, NEED THE REAL PRAYERS..
"Belief isn't a prison, expectation is the prison"
Met these guys back in 2019 they were very down to earth and humble. Scratched one off my bucket list.
I'm a Psych major, and studying Aaron's body language and interaction, it seems Spencer is pushing more for this than Aaron is. Some of the things Spencer mentions in other interviews is that UO has never had Christian lyrics, which long-time listeners can say that's a false statement. Also, Aaron released spiritual material through The Almost and his solo albums. Do I care if they're Christian or not? No. That doesnt define the quality of their music, it's just difficult believing true emotions when 1. I dont know then personally, and 2. Body language and interactions/emotions in video interviews are coming from only one source (Spencer).
you can tell they have different beliefs, even though the video is edited really nicely to make their points bounce off each other more seamlessly
Yeah, Dallas era UØ had heavy Christian lyrics. Spencer is a nice guy and I don't blame him. But as someone who left God for 8 years and came back this year, I have faith pencer will come back to Christ.
You can almost never tell someone that their experience is wrong. I am very sorry to hear about their experiences. I would challenge though to go beyond the fake people they encountered. No doubt it is a painful experience. But if you truly want to rebel against what you feel is the established brand of Christianity that so hurt you. Forgive them. Nothing could be more enlightening for them to have this person they judged so harshly to show to them the Christ like attitude they themselves failed to exemplify. What could be more radical and more rebellious than that? To truly forgive them and show them Jesus love.
Sure , be pissed at established
" Christiananity" but do not give up on Jesus. People have failed you. People will likely to continue to fail you and disappoint you. Jesus will never disappoint or fail you.
Something Spencer keeps saying is "you're not allowed to talk about these issues in a Christian band". Isn't that an issue between Spencer and the rest of the band opposed to Spencer and Christianity?
Most of what they've said here I agree with...but I feel like they're playing both sides intellectually dishonestly. I know for facts that many many many Christian fans tried to be uplifting to him when he struggled. I know a guy who gave Spencer his phone number and told him to call if he needs something. Back then you'd see Christians always saying they pray for him to overcome and everything a FAN is SUBJECTED to do within the confines of a celebratory figure. I was one of them. But he decides to pick the assholes as an example.
Most Christians probably wouldn't have plastered your face as an example on a magazine cover. So why does that assholes actions who did it weigh more the the actions of those that wouldn't have done it..or rather didn't do it?
Oh and in the Bible God, 9/10, never had an issue with being questioned.
Hes talking about the aura of it. The label doesnt want you talking about it, the christian parents buying their kids cds and merch dont want a drug addict as part of the band they are buying stuff from. The fans want you to be the answer or end result of their struggles, they dont want someone who is in the same struggle they are. People want to see fruit from Christian's in the spot light. The first time underoath wanted to make secular music their christian label abounded them.
@Brandon Mitchell Thanks for that detailed explanation Brandon.
Congratulations, you just proved his point.
@@adg7147 Thank you for that detailed and thorough explanation of how his point was proven Adrian.
XBM 79 no problem. I’m here all week, fam.
Many of my friends walked away from God because of what everyone else was doing. I feel like Spencer focused so much on people that he forgot his relationship with God. I can relate in the way that most "Christians" I knew did the worst things. However, I never let it distract me nor did I blame them for my mistakes. Many go around focusing on people and trying to see them perfectly but that is flawed. The main focus should always be one's relationship with God.
Acts 1:21-26
21“Therefore, of these men who have accompanied us all the time that the Lord Jesus went in and out among us, 22beginning from the baptism of John to that day when He was taken up from us, one of these must become a witness with us of His resurrection.”
23And they proposed two: Joseph called Barsabas, who was surnamed Justus, and Matthias. 24And they prayed and said, “You, O Lord, who know the hearts of all, show which of these two You have chosen 25to take part in this ministry and apostleship from which Judas by transgression fell, that he might go to his own place.” 26And they cast their lots, and the lot fell on Matthias. And he was numbered with the eleven apostles.
"And they cast their lots"
This was always my favorite part in the Bible, when asked "why aren't you more like the Apostles" I tell people this verse and reply "I am, they walked with God in Human flesh and are still playing "Black Jack" to find the new Apostle" humans are stupid, that's why we need Christ.
What’s so great about this band is that they broke through all preconceived notions of what “Christian rock” was and caught the attention of non Christian rock lovers such as myself. I was surprised when I learned they were Christian because their sound is super heavy. Not at all surprised to hear that Spencer is no longer a Christian. I was very lucky not to be inundated with any religion growing up. Too much a of a free thinker ✌🏼 . Happy Aaron and Spencer got back together. Keep rockin guys!
You nailed it on the head! I was raised Catholic, and my biggest problem with it as I grew up and started to notice some questionable things was that people are only willing to accept you if you don't actually need acceptance. If your cat dies then everyone will pray for you, but if you get pregnant at 16 years old everyone looks down on you and casts you out in their eyes. This was a real thing that happened to a close friend of mine, and it was the turning point for me where I decided I was no longer Christian. I didn't want to be a part of that. It's all about selling an image of purity. From my experience of the church, everyone wants to believe that if you trust in god and follow his plan then everything is all smiles and sunshine. But isn't that the exact opposite of what it should be? There's a whole concept of humans being human that the church talks about all the time, yet when it comes down to a real-world scenario of a human making a human mistake, they're treated differently. If there is a god, then he knows that humans can never be perfect beings. People get hurt and people act according to their own will, that's just what being human is. It should never be about only allowing the perfect into a place of perfection, but that's what it's become. It should be about a perfect god helping those who can never have that perfection. I don't know that I believe in any god, but I know that I certainly don't believe in the golden calf that modern Christianity has created.
Where is the whole thing? Its been chopped so much, no way you could have this level of deep and it only be a 2 minute and 53 second video.
Sometimes, I can't blame on what Aaron and Spencer says! Because it's true. Sometimes Christian are more rude and not caring to their fellow brothers in Christ👌...So what they say about the church, is really true. For me, they only say that it's because on what they see in their church during their Christian walk..
“Belief isn’t a prison. Expectation is the prison.”
👏👏👏👏👏
As a person who was a fan of their music since I was introduced to them by my Confirmation minister back in 2007, I personally was both surprised and taken a back when they started cussing in their interviews and started ditching the Christian band label during the whole reunion era (2015 to 2017)(didn't pay that much attention to thier interviews prior to this time period) even before the whole "On My Teeth" controversy. I was also surprised when the band members in their Bad Christian podcast interviews talked about thier own personal struggles and drama in both their own lives and with each other as well as with Christianity.
I'm not here to give my thoughts on the cussing thing, the band's abandonment of Christianity, or anything else they did or are doing. I just want to say to the band that, even if I personally don't completely agree with all that you're doing, I still like and respect you as a band, and wish you the best of luck in your new path in life.
I find it quite sad that it’s gone this way for them. I understand secular Christians suck and worldly churches exist. But it’s not the end all be all of Christianity. Not once did these guys speak about their individual relationships with Jesus. Which is what is meant to separate the relationship from the “religion” They threw it all away due to how they were treated and threw the baby out with the bath water. Who cares how an individual feels about you if they are judging you for things that aren’t true. Walk away from that, separate yourself from those. Call them out for being fake Christians and carry on in your faith. Its true the worlds path is WIDE - it’s easier to go down your own path and be excepted by the world. It’s much harder to walk the Jesus path. This is just sad man, I loved Underoath. Haven’t listen to them in a long time but heard a few things that didn’t line up with Jesus and today that made me look this up. I hope they find Jesus again. I’m currently leaving my church being the young lead pastor is a money grabbing ego maniac. I don’t blame Christianity or Jesus for that. Unfortunately men fall. Men sin. We are now looking for a new church and that is very hard to find a good one. Which again. Is sad!
Those were perfect ending words of errands “believe isn’t the prison the expectation is”. I love that vevo is posting a video about their believes on Christianity. Whether vevo is for or against the belief or somewhere in between it’s nice to have something like this be posted at all.
"Expectation is the prison" - very true, very true... and not just with regard to matters of faith.
Also, faith shouldn't be a costume you put on but something authentic and genuine. You can tell what many really believe by how they treat others.
I recommend the book "Mere Christianity" written by a reknown atheist professor who became a Christian, C.S. Lewis.
I'm glad i'm not the only one that feels the way they do. Haven't been to church in 3 years and it's not like I was any less depressed while going than when i'm not.
They seem very vulnerable and sincere. I believe every thing they are saying is their truth. Good on them.
What I can’t stand about all of this nonsense is that a band who made their through the music world for the most upon a “Christian” music label is seemingly throwing rocks at the people who loved them? I mean I understand that there were people in your circles who acted a huge nasty ASS, but what about us...the ones who still love you regardless of where you are? It seems like they’ve white washed all of their “Christian” fans in such a way to gain new ones... I never saw a “tweet”, FB post or even a message on the MySpace wall asking for the prayers of the saints to help through a broken marriage, struggles with drugs or whatever. I never got the message, but you bet your bottom dollar I’d have prayed sincere prayers asking for the love and mercy of God. I’m not self righteous because I know that there are plenty of us who have lived through, for lack of a better phrase, the toughest shit ever. But it because I have held on to Christ though I’ve run out of tears that I can pray for them. I hope UO reads this, because I feel like you all left us and now sneer at every given opportunity at your day 1 people. Some didn’t come just because of the music. Some of us actually love you just the way you are, but the jeering is tone deaf. I could be wrong. That’s what hurts the most because I am conflicted. My resolve is a little saying the J.R.R. Tolkien once wrote in Lord of the Rings: Not all who wander are lost. Praying for your very best no matter where you go.
Hey man I love you guys and sorry you guys went through that. I hope that because of that you don’t give up faith and know that their are people who would want to hear your story and walk through the fire with you not shun you for it.
As a christian, I partially agree with these statements. I feel like some of their opinions are formed based on very specific, isolated events. Unfortunately, this is such a nuanced discussion being packed into a short, 3 minute clip. I would love to talk to these in person and really dissect this issue. Maybe modern Christians could learn a thing or two.
Never search for hope, grace and redemption in humans...I.m still a christian but I had to learn this lesson.
Nice to see the church of Christ standing strong here in this comment section. Yeah I know you've been hurt by Christians and all but as many have mentioned, we are ALL flawed. We ALL struggle with problems. Idk if it's that you're in a famous band and all or just too pissed off or a combination of both, but what really sucks is that you won't listen to the Christians that are reaching out to you with open arms, that are trying to help you. It sucks man but you know there are TONS of people that are still going to pray for you and not many people have that luxury because they're not famous like you but you've really made an impact on a lot of people including me and we're all pained to see you turn away. But, in the end it's your choice, and you only have two brother. Life, or death, and I seriously recommend you seek help choosing life and that can only be found in one place man as you should've known, and that's in Jesus Christ my friend. God bless you all who may read this...
Yeah, I agree. I went to a Christian college full of hurt and anger for what I experienced growing up in church(mainly my highschool years), and I was ready to be all like: "Screw Church, Screw Christianity" after I heard some haunting statistics about church youth. I wiill personally admit that if it weren't for someone lovingly and relentlessly reaching out to me in love...I would be in that same position as well. Feeling like no one cares and feeling overlooked.
I personally hope I can help other people with church hurt if I ever do encounter someone like that.
As a follower of Christ, I would've prayed for Spencer when he was struggling and helped him get off of his Drug addiction. But I couldn't do that because I was very young when it was happening and I don't know him personally as well.
God gives you freedom to make your own choices. Choosing to be around other “Christian’s” who aren’t living with the basics of Gods love in their heart…is on you. You have to choose the company you keep. Discernment should be guiding you sec by sec each day. If you can’t ask your fellow Christian friends or band mates questions in sincere discussion, then what kind of friend are they? And what kind of Christian are they? And the end of the day, it’s your choice who you allow to break your spirit.
Sounds like these thoughts and criticisms are about Christians, not Christianity
Facts.
Bible clearly states 1 Thessalonians 5:19-21
, but test everything; hold fast what is good.
Yup! I get annoyed when people think that "as a Christian, you're not allowed the question the church" or whatever, when the opposite is true. In questioning one's beliefs, any beliefs, truth usually arises.
Love the transparency
Aaron changed so much man it’s crazy. sad to see them like this confused
They ain't confused, they escaped
@@robertlowe6367 Some seek forgiveness, others escape
@@aarnmtc forgiveness from shitty people isn't worth getting.
I'm so glad they've stopped doing a worship segment at their shows. Seen them three times and the first two times I left during worship. It felt so excluding, like most other christian ceremonies.
It's good to hear that they are finally ready to carry their beliefs in their hearts.
Man made. Could not be more correct. Love you guys, happy you guys broke through.
Basing your faith on people instead of Christ is the problem, God always finds a way. I’m sorry to hear that you guys have had a bad experience with those around you in the Christian community.....but blaming people is your first mistake,....as Aaron Weiss says, God is love and love is real. Try basing your faith on Christ, you do this by seeking him daily. And don’t get me wrong, there are Christians out there that give our faith a terrible name, Jesus said the greatest commandment is to love God and love people and that’s what we should do. But when you earnestly seek Him, He will send you amazing people, I can testify to that.
God bless you guys and God bless Underoath, love your music...always have, always will!
Oh Aaron you beautiful human ❤
This is seriously that saddest thing I’ve ever watched.....i can see spencer rebelling and trying to blame Christians for his mistakes, but seeing Aaron go along with this baffles me. Not sure what really happened with Spence, but him saying no Christians asked him how it’s going or reaching out to help him. Idk, don’t expect someone to read your mind, instead ask for help. It almost seems to me he might be exaggerating the amount of people that “never reached out”, maybe they didn’t know he needed help. Like I said I’m not sure exactly how it went down and yeah there are people saying they are Christian but don’t act on it. What if the people he’s talking about didn’t even know he wanted help. Just my thoughts, praying these guys don’t go down a dark road and make long term mistakes for there temporary frustrations.
Spencer's "Christian world" seems very small and selective. He keeps mentioning "they did this" and "they think that". Who's "they?". I'm a Christian... so me? I don't do any of what you're describing. You're doing what the people you're talking about here are doing: Putting groups of people in a box and labeling them as acting a certain way and treating them in certain ways. The moment you put your faith in PEOPLE, you will be disappointed - No question.
PEOPLE can ruin anything good. Personally, being from the South and being into heavy music, I relate to everything they said. I cannot judge them for how they feel. I’ve been down a very similar road. However, I will not allow people to turn me away from God. Ever again. But I totally see where they’re coming from. I was blessed with an open mind who sought out my own truth.
I will always respect these two. They were a huge part of my childhood and I’m grateful for that. Their music to this day, gets me through the toughest times, which I’m going through as we speak.
As a Christian I can say I hear this kinda thing often and it makes me sad to see people either get turned off or feel unwelcomed in Christianity because of how other human beings have treated them, taken Gods name in vein or tried to come off as holier than thou. All of us are train wrecks. All of us are wicked. It’s okay to ask questions. It’s okay to seek truth. As a Christian I have no fear that you seeking truth will cause you to leave Jesus because I’m confident in who Jesus is and what it all means. I’ve been heavily surrounded by non believers in my leave, people that actively mock Christianity in fact and never once has it made me want to cast shame on them or throw hatred back their way. I don’t think it’s what Jesus would do or did do. Anyways, everyone’s journey is their own, there will always be ups and downs and until the day we die we will always face challenges and struggles as God continues to press us with things he knows we cannot conquer alone, we need Jesus to get through it all. But at the end of the day, everyone is out here just doing their best and trying in the only ways they know how. Be good to one another, try your best to guide people to Jesus but do not be forceful or casting hate on those that are resistant, that will literally never work.
I think that for some reason I'd love to hear their thoughts on Islam.
I kind of like that idea too.
not enough info to have thoughts surely. I know nothing of islam myself.
This is called whataboutism and is a logical fallacy.
"Belief isn't the prison, EXPECTATION is the prison"... WOW
You can definitely tell how experience did a huge number on their faith and religion. I think that reaffirms something Aaron said in the video about it all being about people; your faith and beliefs are all about the people around you and how they influence you. More or less.
We are in this World, we are various people, beliefs, race, ideals, cultures. Let's live as a human and understand each other instead of trying to choke with judgment on one another.
Love this interview!
Strong statement you said sir on the left. Man made things have man made effects. Man made things produce man made results. Spiritual things produce eternal results and spiritual things have spiritual impacts on personal and societal issues. This proves that the bible is an eternal book, that Jesus is eternal and has all authority because only H has done something which has produced something and someone which can change the entire atmosphere surrounding believers and unbelievers.
Well said, cool to hear a band I grew up with come to the same conclusion as I did. No more church. No more false gods. Question everything and anyone that blames you for questioning is probably not someone you should trust. #nochristianhere
It doesn't mean not to be Christian, what's being said is that people in the church are being phony in their appearance and are being too impersonal to reach out about their personal problems.
So you actually think we came from ooze from a rock? 😂
@@ShadowOfDeathPsalm23 not very smart are ya?
2:40 hey unloving, i will love you ❤
The Christianity they describe here in this video is so different from the Christianity that I’ve experienced in my life. The Christians in my community are nothing like this, people are welcome to ask questions about things, and to think. People aren’t trying to sell anything, and people aren’t judgmental like they describe, at least not from what I’ve experienced. Very interesting.
Been a fan of UO since 2007. Spencer just needed to find a church where you're allowed to ask questions and have moral support to overcome addiction. Aaron himself said what Spencer seemed to miss; religion is formed by humans, we will talk shit and mistreat you, but the Basic Instructions Before Leaving Earth (bible) talks about the human nature and all of this. Even Jesus had haters.
I'm a Christian and... I agree with everything they're saying. Over the past 6 years, I grew more and more disillusioned with the church despite being a practicing Christian because of the manipulation and the lack of consistent community. Most churches that I've stepped in felt like I have to conform or look like a certain way or worse - their only friendly to me because they just want something from me. That's not always the case, there are some Christian communities that I've found that are full of genuine and good people.
It's funny, I experienced better community with other Christians on online servers and small college clubs than in most churches. I feel like I can be myself in a more decentralized setting.
I have Much more respect for these dudes now. Thanks for going on the record about this because people need to hear it.
This is great.
I'm glad they finally started thinking for themselves. Good on you guys.
How condescending
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This is why He says it's better to be cold than lukewarm because it makes people push away from God when you aren't living a true Christian life (loving people!)
As a lifelong believer in Christ Son of God, sent for us because of the Grace of God. I've never been a church guy. I've been to some fantastic churches, and I've been to some that felt not so great. What I can say is God is faithful despite us. Regardless of our other relationship, shortcomings, missed opportunities, God doesn't care about status.
He cares that we acknowledge and accept Jesus.
1:43 "When you believe in the rules and not the reasons then you've got an issue" so true
As a Christian, I understand what they are coming from. A lot of us Christian's have this idea that image leads to self worthyness. Like what you do in the outside will allow you to have something to full fill on the inside. With that, many of us Christian's do this weird thing where we loose a sense of reality on how to be around one another. If we spot someone elses sin, we immidately call them out and we immidately think that it's up to us to save that person. But really it's up to the person's own self to become saved. To build their own reconciliation. To me personally it's not up to me to enterject my way of leading to God. The bible says for us to be leaders and be good in Jesus's image. Jesus lived amongst sinners and did everything he could to relate with them. He didn't put his ego in front of them. He listened and discussed with those who came to speak to him or those he came to talk too. We can still be Christian's in how we are loyal to God's word but at the same time, being ourselves. Instead sitting there and just saying "i'm praying for you" just be there. Being overly biblical and text book is what drives many away from religion. What the guys are saying that being a Christian doesn't always mean being a follower of Jesus, believing in God, and reading the Bible. It means being a good and decent human being. No matter your stance on your faith.
Spot on
I agree with everything they said good for you guys.
I read through the comments and i see so many different views about being christian or not being christian. I think that should speak for itself. That everyone takes Religion how they want to see it. People get to pick and choose what they want to believe in or not believe in.
If Underoath wants people to talk more about their music and not their personal beliefs, then don’t use religion as your scapegoat to justify that your new music really isn’t all that good. Singing and writing about God didn’t make your old music good, because for the most part, I never really found a connection between faith and your lyrics. Your old songs were just genuinely good and unique at the time. But now it’s just so bland and generic. And this whole “enlightened” attitude really just comes off more as a “dick know it all” attitude.
If anything, you guys are a prime example of the so called “fake Christian community”. You guys stated that you felt forced to keep that image in the early years and felt trapped. So all the speeches and testimonies on stage were coming from fake Christians who were literally selling a message they never truly believed.
BirthEATER99 out of curiosity, what made their newest record not that “good?”
First of all, they made this video and said all these things themselves. They could have talked about their music, but chose to talk about their personal beliefs so I don't really know what your point is. Second, yes it was all over their lyrics. It was more tasteful and poetic, and written in a way that wouldn't lose a secular audience, but still. You kind of have to have read loads of scripture to get all the references.
This is absolutely great! Thanks guys.
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As a former Christian, what they're saying is true. Everything's ok as long you obey the sheperd and walk with the sheep. You're free to speak up but your questions will be shut down by criticism. I believe most people don't want truth, they want comfort in the idea of a safe place after death. So much so that they ignore the burning world in front of them
How to generalize 101
I agree with these dudes, right on! 🤟🏻 say what you feel
Awsome, Thank you!👍
I recently stopped being aligned with Christianity. Does it make sense I haven't talked about it with my very religious mother to keep the household not a warzone?
If it wasn't through Christ, I'd probably be dead.. I have weaknesses, struggles and failures. But i seek forgiveness while others escape. I seek God's help not Christians help. Im only chasing safety.
Truth Seeker I see what you did there at the end, it really sucks what they're going through but we're all going through struggles and in the end we have to make that choice.
Fkn fakes first two albums.. untouchable... pure metal at its best!!! Only original member after cries, and act of depression is the drummer... i listen to all metal.. but.. they straight punked out.. weak ass move...
thank you
It’s hard to hear people cast such intense judgement and box something in so hard, while saying that that very thing is judge mental and boxes things in....
This is the damage that non-denominational Christianity does to the world. Catholisicm has always had the elements and the truth that I was looking for... You dont see the same things in there as you do some "church" with the pastor Spencer was talking about... Sad times man
Mark 4:16-17 The seed on the rocky soil represents those who hear the message and immediately receive it with joy. But since they don’t have deep roots, they don’t last long. They fall away as soon as they have problems
Christ is the focus. It's not about how you feel. I'm really tired of underoath complaining about Christianity. God didn't make them to be victims to some sort of structured system. The church is about Christ & if you focus on anything else, of course you're going to be hurt by sinful man. It's how it is. Ghandi said that you must be the change in the world. So my suggestion is that if you are sick of the church, change it! You are not a victim. You have power invested in you by the Holiest of Holies. It's time to take it back in Jesus' Name
I can they’re both hurt about Christianity but still hungry for more of it. I hope they find the people because yes generally speaking, modern Christianity can be like that, but that’s not the point. “Like you said” it’s about the reason and i found a church that doesn’t judge me but accepts more and we all pour into each other and accept each other as we are and encourage each other for more
I think that's all 3 things they could come up with. They keep repeating the same thing like it's something new. This is marketing & $$$$.
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It's so sad that these guys had this experience and have labeled every Christian/Christianity.
“we don’t know our Bibles, the end”
This is so sad...
The amount of triggered Christians here is rather sad😟
Victor Ramirez
Of course someone whose worldly such as you would think that. Dude you don’t know anything about what they are talking about, you just clicked on this video to hear them bash Christianity. Sit down.
After all this time y’all finally figured it out. Be free my friends!
Tighty Whitey Your definition of freedom means enslavement, if you don't understand that, I'm afraid you're as brainless as the underwear on your profile picture.
Roberto Esquivel dude, I wish you could see how brainwashed you are. Religion is the one thing that restricted my freedom when I was younger. I do not believe in God just like I don't believe in fairy tales, because I'm not a child. Leaving Christianity was the greatest thing to ever happen to me.
Why's that? Couldn't handle the truth? Couldn't look at your sins and confess you are a failure like all of us who sin here? I'd love to know. You are making a grave mistake turning away.
Tighty Whitey
That’s not freedom. That’s trading one set of chains for another.
Engineer
And what freedom did Christianity take you from?
What things can you do now that you couldn’t when you were a believer?