Yeah that is really useful. I'm a lone rider and every time my bike tips in the middle of nowhere on gravel it's exhausting picking it up. This will definitely help
Great video of your product / process. But where we ride, we usually pull the bike TOWARD the gravel road, not away. Just kidding! Thanks for what you guys do.
You need to explain that by flip-flopping the system you also go between a 4 to 1 system and a 5 to 1 system. When you are pulling against the anchor (tree) it will always be an even number mechanical advantage (in thus case with the double pulley a 4 to 1). When you are pulling against the load (motor cycle) it will always be an odd number mechanical advantage (in this case a 5 to 1). It's not just a convenience matter of which way to pull. Great little system though. You can also just use one side of each pulley in the case where you don't need as much pull or if your rope isn't long enough to rig through both shieves og the double pulley, thus creating a 2 to1 or 3 to 1 system, depending on the direction of the pulling.
I sense some technical background here. I have this exact setup in a bag hanging off my rope rescue harness. Makes an awesome jigger when you have to adjust a stretcher bridle under load. Will be building myself another to put on my bike. Probably keep cost done and not use rescue pulleys Maybe grab some sheaves from the hardware store.
Not having an anchor makes things much more difficult. Without an anchor you can't pull - so you have to find (or make) something. If you're in the middle of the desert the only solution is to create a "dead man". That term refers to something buried in the ground, something that you tie the rope to - a strong branch or piece of wood, or a large rock. Dig straight down as far as possible, then dig a narrow ramped trench upward from the bottom of that hole, toward the bike. Tie the rope to the rock or branch, put it down in the hole, then cover up the rock or branch and tamp the ground firmly. (If you're using a branch, align the branch perpendicular to the direction of pull.) As you pull on the rope, the rock or stick is pulled into the earth, sideways. If you don't bury it deep enough it will pop out. Take your time burying the deadman, if you get in a hurry it will fail. Dakar Rally trucks use a sand anchor - it looks like a big boat anchor. As they pull on the anchor it digs itself deeper and deeper, creating a solid pulling point. Unfortunately a sand anchor is too big and heavy for motorcycle use.
my bike is sleeping over in the forest tonight because me and my friend couldn't recover it, I may have to get this for next time, this would have got it out no problem
With this method you need a buddy to hold the bike while you pull the rope. I only ride solo. The Chris Birch method allows you to do it all by yourself by simply using a rope that uses the rear hub as a winch. You secure the rope to a few spokes just to start, then use the engine to slowly wind a few turns of rope onto the hub. You can then use as much engine power as needed to winch your motorcycle up an incredibly steep gradient all by yourself. That engine is a very powerful winch motor. Of course if you’re a shaft drive “adventurer” you’re out of luck
I've seen the Chris Birch video. Very creative. Probably not practical for most of us. I wouldn't do it... don't know anyone who has done it. For solo riders, set the up MRS so you're standing at the bike as you pull. Take up tension, create some energy in the rope, then release the rope and let the prussik engage the pulley. Use the remaining stored energy/ tension as you push/ pull at the same time. No doubt that having 2 riders makes things a lot easier. But it's still better than nothing.
I love how you put “adventurer” in quotes like a shaft drift is not good enough for adv riding??? Also, a shaft drive would not stop you from doing the Chris Birch method you fkn clown 🤡
A simple fall on the downhill side of a road or trail and you will regret that you were too cheap to buy this kit! Remember, AAA won't winch you out 20 miles up a dirt road or trail!
If you're in a large rock area use that as an anchor point. Sandy area doesn't give you many anchoring options. You bury a "deadman" of some sort to act as an anchor point... i.e. a large stick, a rock, or your buddy's bike.
@@bestrestproducts648 Yes, that was the problem, finding something to bury. I find the Dirt Napper or the Moto Winch will be a better product for me. I'm not concerned with winching my bike up a mountain, and I ride alone so I can't use your method to set up my bike after a drop because it takes two people and I don't have any trees. But the Dirt Napper and Moto Winch are strictly for uprighting the bike or getting it off you. I might carry one of those with me if I can justify the $200.
Got bogged riding solo today so looking for solutions. How would this work when you're by yourself? It seems as though trying to pull while keeping the bike upright could be quite a challenge. Any tips?
MikeOxwelling2 - the best scenario is a 2 man + crew. But if you're solo you use a different approach. First get the bike upright. Reset the MRS if necessary. Set it up so you're pulling the rope toward the bike as you stabilize the bike with your hip. Take up tension on the rope and release it just enough so the prussik locks onto the pulley. You should have quite a bit of stored energy in the rope. Then push the bike ahead a bit until you lose the elastic energy in the rope. Repeat, repeat, repeat. It'll be slow progress.
There's really no knots involved, except for where you attach the strap to your bike and the anchor point (tree). That being said, there is a sheet in the kit that explains some knots and shows you how to tie them.
It takes effort. Even with a 5:1 pulling advantage you're still gonna need some muscle. Or... you can get your riding buddies to help pull. Or... you could walk out and get help.
LOL. Yes a 250 makes sense on the trail, but for longer range adventure rides the 250 doesn't cut it. And even if you have a 250, hauling it back onto the trail can be .... problematic. I also ride a KTM 450EXC and I've used the MRS kit to haul the bike up an embankment that would be impossible even with 3-4 other guys helping out.
Yes you can do it alone, but of course it would be much more difficult because you'd be pulling while balancing the bike (like I did in the video). Some situations might even be impossible... . BUT consider this - if you were riding alone and you went off the trail you'd be totally screwed. You'd have to rely on brute force. With an MRS you have tools and mechanical advantage working for you.
The kit included detailed instructions, and the video clearly showed how to set it up and use it. Thousands of riders have used it successfully. I'm sorry you couldn't figure it out.
But... but... that would require a script re-write, moving the camera, moving the lighting, refreshing makeup, and paying union overtime for the entire crew. LOL. Of course you can set up the MRS in either direction, using gravity as your friend. For the video we chose this setup.
Disappointed with the product. First off, carrying pouch is significantly smaller for the 5 to 1 pulling system than shown in the video, and can barely fit the components back into the pouch. You really have to pay attention on wrapping the rope back up to fit into the pouch. Second, there were only 2 yellow webbing anchor strips in the pouch. would not be an option to fit a third attachment webbing into the small pouch sent with the product. In my opinion, this is misrepresentation of the product. Third, the video provides a very poor example of actually tying the knots for attachment to the anchor points. The instructions in the pouch are for only the three to one system, so the five to one takes some thinking to figure out the system. Would not buy again for the money, if I have to figure out through other sources how to configure the five to one, I might as well just go to a seminar at REI mountaineering to figure out the system and buy the components. For the novice who has never used a Bowline or waterknot, it would be a stretch for them to figure out which to use where. Did not mind paying a premium for the components because I didn't have the time to configure a kit on my own, but should have saved the extra cost and done so on my own. Sorry folks, but this is a fail in my perspective.
Sorry, but your negative comments are simply unfounded. Here's why: The video was filmed several years ago, using a kit that has since been discontinued. Back then we supplied a larger storage pouch that could hold a 10mm main rope and 3 pieces of webbing. Based on customer feedback (who told us the kit was too bulky) we went to a smaller system, using 8mm main rope and 2 pieces of webbing. If you feel you need a 3rd piece of webbing simply wrap one around the outside of the pouch. The new MRS still performs the same way as the one shown in the video and there's no loss of function in any regard. Yes the current kits are smaller. If they were bigger we'd get complaints about bulk. The website CLEARLY describes the new MRS kits we sell and every component is spelled out line-by-line, so your claim that we misrepresented the product is disingenuous (which a nice way of saying your claim is bullshit). There's photos of the each kit and there's no way you can claim we made any misrepresentation as to what's included. The video is long enough as it is. If we took the time to give a knot-tying tutorial it would be much longer. You can watch a thousand other videos to learn those skills, nevertheless included in the kit is a sheet with line drawings showing how to tie your own knots, the types you might need when you use the MRS. We can't conjure up every possible use for each knot, instead we leave it to the customer to make their own decisions about knots and/or anchor points. As for the instructions included in the kit, they're designed for both the 3:1 and 5:1 system. The instructions clearly tell you that for a 5:1 you simply run the rope back thru the pulleys one more time. You must've missed that page (it's in the middle where the booklet opens to a wide illustration. Taking that class at REI might be a good idea for you. As for "pay(ing) attention on wrapping the rope back up to fit into the pouch", yes you need to carefully coil the rope into a small bundle, fold it in half and fit it down into the storage pouch. Everything else then goes on top and the flap closes the pouch. If you stuff everything in there willy-nilly then they won't fit. We designed the MRS to be as compact as possible and still give you what you need for recovery or towing. I should point out that you're the first customer to complain about repacking the kit in the pouch. Thousands of others seem to have figured it out. You wrote, "this is a fail in my perspective", but is it really? You're complaining about little things that have no bearing on the components or the actual function of the MRS. Seems like you're nit-picking about things that either aren't true or don't apply. As for paying a "premium price" for the MRS kit... if you go to the REI website and price similar components, they would cost you at least $180. They don't offer the double pulleys that are part of our 5:1 kit so you'd need to carry 4 single pulleys. Your REI total would now be $206. Then buy a pouch to hold it all. When you do the math the MRS is modestly priced for what you get. When a rider makes the decision to carry some type of recovery gear, they're anticipating some trail-side scenario that goes beyond the brute force needed to manually drag a bike back onto the trail, and/or they're taking precautions that give them the ability to tow another disabled motorcycle. A recovery system seldom ever needed, but carrying one is good insurance against "that one day". Any recovery system has to be small enough that the rider doesn't mind carrying the added weight. Make it too big and too heavy, and the kit will be left on the shelf when the bike hits the trail. We made the MRS as small and as light as possible, and for that reason riders are willing to carry it in the panniers or strapped to the frame.
@@bestrestproducts648 I'm not saying you shouldn't drive a GS1200, what i am saying if you don't want to spend 2 hours pulling and doing all this stuff (with a second person as you demonstrated) get a lighter bike. Everything is doable, it's what fits best to you.
@@leosedf Riders ride what they ride, they have what they have. They're not gonna go out and buy a lighter bike just because they might (someday) need to be hauled up a slope, or or towed off a mountain. And even if they did buy a lighter bike, they still might need to haul that light bike up a slope, or tow that light bike off a mountain. If you want to argue the whole concept of motorcycle recovery, you've come to the wrong place my friend. I've got both large and small bikes. On my KTM 450 I carry the MRS Trail Kit. Same function as the HD kit shown in the video. I've used it many times to haul that "light bike" up a hill, back on the trail, and I've towed others down from a mountain.
leosedf well...I ride an XT250, and I just got stuck in a mud hole...which is why I am here. could not budge the bike by hand. Luckily I was with someone with an ATV and winch.
@@leosedf Solution: there is no perfect solution. I've worked with 4 other strong guys to haul a 220lb 2-stroke enduro bike up a 75deg hillside after falling off single track. But I'm sure you'd just climb down, toss it on your back, and then climb back up.
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Yeah that is really useful. I'm a lone rider and every time my bike tips in the middle of nowhere on gravel it's exhausting picking it up. This will definitely help
Great video of your product / process. But where we ride, we usually pull the bike TOWARD the gravel road, not away. Just kidding! Thanks for what you guys do.
Great product....quality professional rescue grade components and instructions....highly recommend !!
You need to explain that by flip-flopping the system you also go between a 4 to 1 system and a 5 to 1 system. When you are pulling against the anchor (tree) it will always be an even number mechanical advantage (in thus case with the double pulley a 4 to 1). When you are pulling against the load (motor cycle) it will always be an odd number mechanical advantage (in this case a 5 to 1). It's not just a convenience matter of which way to pull. Great little system though. You can also just use one side of each pulley in the case where you don't need as much pull or if your rope isn't long enough to rig through both shieves og the double pulley, thus creating a 2 to1 or 3 to 1 system, depending on the direction of the pulling.
I sense some technical background here. I have this exact setup in a bag hanging off my rope rescue harness. Makes an awesome jigger when you have to adjust a stretcher bridle under load. Will be building myself another to put on my bike. Probably keep cost done and not use rescue pulleys Maybe grab some sheaves from the hardware store.
Not having an anchor makes things much more difficult. Without an anchor you can't pull - so you have to find (or make) something. If you're in the middle of the desert the only solution is to create a "dead man". That term refers to something buried in the ground, something that you tie the rope to - a strong branch or piece of wood, or a large rock.
Dig straight down as far as possible, then dig a narrow ramped trench upward from the bottom of that hole, toward the bike. Tie the rope to the rock or branch, put it down in the hole, then cover up the rock or branch and tamp the ground firmly. (If you're using a branch, align the branch perpendicular to the direction of pull.)
As you pull on the rope, the rock or stick is pulled into the earth, sideways. If you don't bury it deep enough it will pop out. Take your time burying the deadman, if you get in a hurry it will fail.
Dakar Rally trucks use a sand anchor - it looks like a big boat anchor. As they pull on the anchor it digs itself deeper and deeper, creating a solid pulling point. Unfortunately a sand anchor is too big and heavy for motorcycle use.
awesome....simple,smart,extremely practical and much better and more usefully diverse than a small winch!( ie: cant tow a buddy with a winch)...
You have done a great job demonstrating this, and other products in your line of goods. I'll get onto your site and have a closer look.
my bike is sleeping over in the forest tonight because me and my friend couldn't recover it, I may have to get this for next time, this would have got it out no problem
Whoops on the bike off the trail! The MRS would've been worth its weight in gold. 🤣
true that!
Dan - good comments. so many things to cover, we forgot a few tips. when I have time I will add an edit.
With this method you need a buddy to hold the bike while you pull the rope. I only ride solo.
The Chris Birch method allows you to do it all by yourself by simply using a rope that uses the rear hub as a winch. You secure the rope to a few spokes just to start, then use the engine to slowly wind a few turns of rope onto the hub. You can then use as much engine power as needed to winch your motorcycle up an incredibly steep gradient all by yourself. That engine is a very powerful winch motor.
Of course if you’re a shaft drive “adventurer” you’re out of luck
I've seen the Chris Birch video. Very creative. Probably not practical for most of us. I wouldn't do it... don't know anyone who has done it.
For solo riders, set the up MRS so you're standing at the bike as you pull. Take up tension, create some energy in the rope, then release the rope and let the prussik engage the pulley. Use the remaining stored energy/ tension as you push/ pull at the same time.
No doubt that having 2 riders makes things a lot easier. But it's still better than nothing.
I love how you put “adventurer” in quotes like a shaft drift is not good enough for adv riding???
Also, a shaft drive would not stop you from doing the Chris Birch method you fkn clown 🤡
Awesome! Love your products man!. Looks like Capitol Forest...
A simple fall on the downhill side of a road or trail and you will regret that you were too cheap to buy this kit! Remember, AAA won't winch you out 20 miles up a dirt road or trail!
Great product for in the woods. How do we use this in the desert?
If you're in a large rock area use that as an anchor point. Sandy area doesn't give you many anchoring options. You bury a "deadman" of some sort to act as an anchor point... i.e. a large stick, a rock, or your buddy's bike.
@@bestrestproducts648 Yes, that was the problem, finding something to bury. I find the Dirt Napper or the Moto Winch will be a better product for me. I'm not concerned with winching my bike up a mountain, and I ride alone so I can't use your method to set up my bike after a drop because it takes two people and I don't have any trees. But the Dirt Napper and Moto Winch are strictly for uprighting the bike or getting it off you. I might carry one of those with me if I can justify the $200.
Carry a bag, fill with sand and bury. Tie to the bag handle.
I want the deluxe desert kit ...
Much better than using a winch.
Got bogged riding solo today so looking for solutions. How would this work when you're by yourself? It seems as though trying to pull while keeping the bike upright could be quite a challenge. Any tips?
MikeOxwelling2 - the best scenario is a 2 man + crew. But if you're solo you use a different approach. First get the bike upright. Reset the MRS if necessary. Set it up so you're pulling the rope toward the bike as you stabilize the bike with your hip. Take up tension on the rope and release it just enough so the prussik locks onto the pulley. You should have quite a bit of stored energy in the rope. Then push the bike ahead a bit until you lose the elastic energy in the rope. Repeat, repeat, repeat. It'll be slow progress.
How good does one have to be with knots?
There's really no knots involved, except for where you attach the strap to your bike and the anchor point (tree). That being said, there is a sheet in the kit that explains some knots and shows you how to tie them.
You got that right!
Omg you need to be super strong to pull the rope to lift it..?
It takes effort. Even with a 5:1 pulling advantage you're still gonna need some muscle. Or... you can get your riding buddies to help pull. Or... you could walk out and get help.
The things stubborn old men will do before admitting a 250 makes more sense
LOL. Yes a 250 makes sense on the trail, but for longer range adventure rides the 250 doesn't cut it. And even if you have a 250, hauling it back onto the trail can be .... problematic. I also ride a KTM 450EXC and I've used the MRS kit to haul the bike up an embankment that would be impossible even with 3-4 other guys helping out.
What if you don't have an anchor, happens many times.
BMW R1200GS Adventure ...then you’re just digging a dead man. It’s strenuous, but not technically difficult.
Can it be done by the rider alone?…..most adventure riders travel on their own……
Yes you can do it alone, but of course it would be much more difficult because you'd be pulling while balancing the bike (like I did in the video). Some situations might even be impossible...
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BUT consider this - if you were riding alone and you went off the trail you'd be totally screwed. You'd have to rely on brute force. With an MRS you have tools and mechanical advantage working for you.
Bought it, spent 4 hours trying to figure out how to use it and threw it in the bin.
The kit included detailed instructions, and the video clearly showed how to set it up and use it. Thousands of riders have used it successfully. I'm sorry you couldn't figure it out.
Let gravity hep you; next time reverse the system so that you are pulling the rope down the hill while the bike goes up.
But... but... that would require a script re-write, moving the camera, moving the lighting, refreshing makeup, and paying union overtime for the entire crew. LOL. Of course you can set up the MRS in either direction, using gravity as your friend. For the video we chose this setup.
Looks pretty hard if you’re alone.
No magic bullets if you're alone... but a pulley system is 1000% better than sheer brute force. Self-recovery of any type is gonna be hard work.
@@bestrestproducts648 Very true. Sold!
Disappointed with the product. First off, carrying pouch is significantly smaller for the 5 to 1 pulling system than shown in the video, and can barely fit the components back into the pouch. You really have to pay attention on wrapping the rope back up to fit into the pouch. Second, there were only 2 yellow webbing anchor strips in the pouch. would not be an option to fit a third attachment webbing into the small pouch sent with the product. In my opinion, this is misrepresentation of the product. Third, the video provides a very poor example of actually tying the knots for attachment to the anchor points. The instructions in the pouch are for only the three to one system, so the five to one takes some thinking to figure out the system. Would not buy again for the money, if I have to figure out through other sources how to configure the five to one, I might as well just go to a seminar at REI mountaineering to figure out the system and buy the components. For the novice who has never used a Bowline or waterknot, it would be a stretch for them to figure out which to use where. Did not mind paying a premium for the components because I didn't have the time to configure a kit on my own, but should have saved the extra cost and done so on my own. Sorry folks, but this is a fail in my perspective.
Sorry, but your negative comments are simply unfounded. Here's why:
The video was filmed several years ago, using a kit that has since been discontinued. Back then we supplied a larger storage pouch that could hold a 10mm main rope and 3 pieces of webbing. Based on customer feedback (who told us the kit was too bulky) we went to a smaller system, using 8mm main rope and 2 pieces of webbing. If you feel you need a 3rd piece of webbing simply wrap one around the outside of the pouch. The new MRS still performs the same way as the one shown in the video and there's no loss of function in any regard. Yes the current kits are smaller. If they were bigger we'd get complaints about bulk.
The website CLEARLY describes the new MRS kits we sell and every component is spelled out line-by-line, so your claim that we misrepresented the product is disingenuous (which a nice way of saying your claim is bullshit). There's photos of the each kit and there's no way you can claim we made any misrepresentation as to what's included.
The video is long enough as it is. If we took the time to give a knot-tying tutorial it would be much longer. You can watch a thousand other videos to learn those skills, nevertheless included in the kit is a sheet with line drawings showing how to tie your own knots, the types you might need when you use the MRS. We can't conjure up every possible use for each knot, instead we leave it to the customer to make their own decisions about knots and/or anchor points.
As for the instructions included in the kit, they're designed for both the 3:1 and 5:1 system. The instructions clearly tell you that for a 5:1 you simply run the rope back thru the pulleys one more time. You must've missed that page (it's in the middle where the booklet opens to a wide illustration. Taking that class at REI might be a good idea for you.
As for "pay(ing) attention on wrapping the rope back up to fit into the pouch", yes you need to carefully coil the rope into a small bundle, fold it in half and fit it down into the storage pouch. Everything else then goes on top and the flap closes the pouch. If you stuff everything in there willy-nilly then they won't fit. We designed the MRS to be as compact as possible and still give you what you need for recovery or towing. I should point out that you're the first customer to complain about repacking the kit in the pouch. Thousands of others seem to have figured it out.
You wrote, "this is a fail in my perspective", but is it really? You're complaining about little things that have no bearing on the components or the actual function of the MRS. Seems like you're nit-picking about things that either aren't true or don't apply.
As for paying a "premium price" for the MRS kit... if you go to the REI website and price similar components, they would cost you at least $180. They don't offer the double pulleys that are part of our 5:1 kit so you'd need to carry 4 single pulleys. Your REI total would now be $206. Then buy a pouch to hold it all. When you do the math the MRS is modestly priced for what you get.
When a rider makes the decision to carry some type of recovery gear, they're anticipating some trail-side scenario that goes beyond the brute force needed to manually drag a bike back onto the trail, and/or they're taking precautions that give them the ability to tow another disabled motorcycle. A recovery system seldom ever needed, but carrying one is good insurance against "that one day". Any recovery system has to be small enough that the rider doesn't mind carrying the added weight. Make it too big and too heavy, and the kit will be left on the shelf when the bike hits the trail. We made the MRS as small and as light as possible, and for that reason riders are willing to carry it in the panniers or strapped to the frame.
Solution: Get a lighter bike.
Solution - don't be a jerk. Elitist put-downs of other bikes that riders choose to ride is never called for.
@@bestrestproducts648 I'm not saying you shouldn't drive a GS1200, what i am saying if you don't want to spend 2 hours pulling and doing all this stuff (with a second person as you demonstrated) get a lighter bike. Everything is doable, it's what fits best to you.
@@leosedf Riders ride what they ride, they have what they have. They're not gonna go out and buy a lighter bike just because they might (someday) need to be hauled up a slope, or or towed off a mountain. And even if they did buy a lighter bike, they still might need to haul that light bike up a slope, or tow that light bike off a mountain.
If you want to argue the whole concept of motorcycle recovery, you've come to the wrong place my friend.
I've got both large and small bikes. On my KTM 450 I carry the MRS Trail Kit. Same function as the HD kit shown in the video. I've used it many times to haul that "light bike" up a hill, back on the trail, and I've towed others down from a mountain.
leosedf well...I ride an XT250, and I just got stuck in a mud hole...which is why I am here. could not budge the bike by hand. Luckily I was with someone with an ATV and winch.
@@leosedf Solution: there is no perfect solution. I've worked with 4 other strong guys to haul a 220lb 2-stroke enduro bike up a 75deg hillside after falling off single track. But I'm sure you'd just climb down, toss it on your back, and then climb back up.
Maker of the motorcycle system load shite buy all there’s separate eBay 30 times cheaper 😂
Why don't you do that and record a video of how your system works?