Wonderful video. I am a customer of Dr. G, having bought in ear headphones from her. A knowledgeable and aware person who really knows her space. Sorry she moved to LA. I miss her too!
Steve, thank you, and as Dr. Julie said, “you’re the best”! That was absolutely fascinating to me as a musician who’s played live and loud for aprox 30 yrs and also an audiophile. Being that combination can be maddening at times too, cuz your not only listening to the music, but also what type of guitar is being played, what the bass player is doing in relation to the drums, the time signature, etc., etc. In addition to all of that, you also want the highest quality of sound, which can let you hone in on those things even more deeply. The real magic seems to happen when you’re able to just sit back and enjoy the music. Again, thank you, Steve. You are the best and we all love you! 🔊🎶😃
MrPeeBeeDeeBee Haha! No, you are not alone. It can be difficult at times to stop analyzing the music. Maybe that’s a good thing? I dunno... At least we’re not just listening to the gear, so that’s good. Let’s just think we’ve got the best of both worlds.
Steve Guttenberg Audiophiliac You’re more than welcome, Steve. I genuinely believe what I said. You mean so much to so many people, and that is truly a gift.
Wow, a really good subject matter, one that I am keenly interested in. I would really like to hear more from her on the issue of noise (or music) exposure and hearing loss. I have been interested in the workings of the human ear since I was a kid (I am 67 years old now) and have studied the ear and brain mechanisms and the perception and psychoacoustics of hearing for a long time. I am a fan of mostly rock and pop music and have listened with speakers and headphones and IEMs sometimes at really loud levels, however appreciating that I could damage my hearing I have always limited the time I expose myself to usually a single song. Then I let my ears rest by listening to nothing for awhile or something at really low level to let my tympanic muscle rejuvenate until I then again listen to something loud. I have had my hearing checked long ago in the Navy and was very sensitive across the spectrum then, but have had nothing but normal age related high frequency loss since, so I simply boost the trebles up a bit these days to compensate. I would really enjoy hearing more about the exposure to loud music and the time exposure issue. Thanks for a really good post Steve.
Julie is super nice and so knowledgeable. I’ll make a few comments from my experience: 1- A good-sounding, isolating pair of in-ears is a total must in NYC. You just need to try this, really. 2- Active or passive noise cancellation is very important in NYC if you care to preserve your hearing - it also allows you to listen to music/podcasts at a lower volume so win-win. 3- Apple Airpod Pros are ok - they don’t sound great but they sound passable and will protect your hearing. Other in-ears are better (eg FiiO FH5 which will passively screen noise out) 4- Custom in-ear monitors are a mix bag in my opinion: They do isolate better, but need to be put on and off carefully and are not very comfortable - It is especially problematic to take them off quickly (eg when someone starts talking to you or there’s an emergency) - they are not the panacea I thought they would be (I have a pair of Noble K10 that Julie fitted actually) 5- Earplugs are a must have - I have still to try the Sensaphonics, I will get around it. Even the crappy 3Ms will protect your hearing - DO NOT go to a dance club without a pair of earplugs.
In 1998, the LSU School of Medicine received a Defense Department grant to study hearing loss of people who work in high noise environments. Among that particular demographic musicians were selected for obvious reasons. After a few preliminary screenings, I got selected to be one of the test subjects. All I had to do with sit in a small anechoic booth with a computer transducer in each ear. Everything was programmed and the devices measured the responses in the inner ear. II did not have to do anything or say anything, everything was programmed. There may have been 50 ninety second frequency sweeps of different types in each ear. The data was compiled and I was provided with a graph of the results of the test which pretty much said what I long expected. My right ear rolls off severely beginning at 9kHz. The left ear was substantially better but not so great either. The process took about 8 hours with frequent breaks because it’s easy to get stir crazy in a small tight anechoic booth. If I moved, coughed, cleared my throat, etc then that test was ruined and had to be started again. 😳 interesting process. Now I wondered why the US Defense Department was so interested in hearing loss! Who knows what projects DARPA is working on that requires hearing proficiency. 😳
Funny she mentioned sitting in front of trumpet players. The first time I played trumpet in a semi-serious orchestra, the bassoonist in front of me put in foam ear plugs at the start of rehearsal. I was vaguely offended at first, but she set me straight by asking me to imagine playing a horn with the bell pointed right into my ear. Fair enough. On the other end of the spectrum, I saw a master class Doc Severinsen did in the early '90's, when he was around 65, in which he struggled to hear some of the questions. By that point, he had been standing in front of Ed Shaughnessy and other big band drummers for 30+ years and needed things to be a little loud. He still sounded amazing, but by that time he had been playing the trumpet professionally for 50 years, so he could pretty much do it by feel.
Fascinating. Easily the best video If yours so far. And having lived for two separate stretches in New York, I’m so glad to know I was in the company of better audiophiles there 😉
Steve, this was fascinating and timely. I’m about to get my first pair of hearing aids for my 77 year old ears. Talk about “action learning.” Discovering what hearing aids will do to my experience of high frequencies and low volumes has me on edge and at attention. The existential question: WILL I hear more of what’s coming at me from my Forte IIIs and CAN I hear more from the Cornwall IVs to which I aspire? In the age of America First and Coronavirus, this is my micro lab exploring how everything is related to everything else. Great gratitude for sharing your explorations, discoveries and friends, and their explorations and discoveries. Who knew the ‘sounds of music’ could be such a wild ride!
Great interview. Interesting to hear you briefly mention hearing protection. As an audiophile I think I'm going to regret all those concerts I never wore earplugs for in the years to come. I did some extensive Amazon research and bought some etymotic research earplugs last year. It's actually improved my concert experience so I agree with her comments regards supersonic hearing. Wish I'd done it years ago now but after using only cheapo earplugs I didn't think earplugs did anything but muffle the sound so never used them.
That's fascinating. I have tinitis and it really sounds like jets ideling on a runway in both ears. With that said I can still hear just fine. Weird hu. At any rate, great interview!
Steve, so glad you brought up the fact that older lets just say audiophiles perceive a harness in the upper mid-range. that's my issue, and didn't really it is in issue till now. i'm 59 and can only hear to 14k and i have a sensitivity to the upper mid-range. Between days of Hot Rods and Harleys my ears are shot in away if i'm in a room with lots of people talking all i hear is the back ground but not the conversation. but when i'm critically listening to by stereo at home everything is beautiful. probably doesn't sound as good to people with good hearing. i would guess i'm not alone?
I was really interested in the part about the Sensaphonics ear plugs, because I may as well be completely deaf when trying to hear conversation even in moderately loud places. When Dr Glick described how they worked, I decided to check them out on the website. I expect they're well researched and worth every penny, but out of my reach for now. Still, knowing that this tech exists is something I did not know 20 minutes ago.
Wow, the last 30 seconds of this interview blew my mind There are ear plugs that allow you to drown out background sound and hear close conversation more clearly? I thought I was the only one who was interested in this type of device! I'm super sensitive to noise and need to get these.
being a musician, this is good stuff and so true, but....being a musician and an audiophile presents a whole different set of circumstances...we drive ourselves crazy with sound lol
Great video Steve and Dr. J. Up there as one of your best. Imagine that, choosing based on what you hear, not your preconceived notions. Steve recently asked, what is snake oil. Personally I find it a ludicrous term mainly because those who use it do so to explain away that which they can’t conceive of, or haven’t experienced, all the while nullifying my life’s experience as a listener. It’s recently dawned on me that the only true “ snake oil “ I come across in my life as an audiophile is the preconceived notions people have which only serve to limit their experience as a listener.
After watching this video, it only validates a hypothesis I've been harboring since the mid 1990s that me and vinyl guru Michael Fremer might have a hearing response that measures eerily close when measured with a Fast Fourier Transform analyzer. 🤔
This is very interesting and I feel like I want to learn more. My hope is that one day technology and in ear headphones can correct tinnitus by sampling the Noise and play it back out of phase to cancel it. Lol
Doctor Julie - I'm a Beatles era / Garage Band Drummer (I still keep a Drum Key tool, on my Key Chain !); turned Audio Salesman with about 20 years of experience in Retail, Factory & Independent Sales Rep. areas in that field (on Both Coasts). I'm always Listening for Tonality of All the instruments (especially the Female Voice or) e.g. the "tear" of the Trumpet. As for What I listen for, from a Drum Kit, Live or Recorded; are the "shimmering sizzle", the sustain & decay of Cymbals … Does that make me Weird ??? ;-)
Speaking of age related hearing loss - sometimes I wonder why drummers in my neighborhood - and elsewhere - aged 64 or older had kept their Zildjian cymbals that they've bought back in the 1970s on their drumkits, instead of replacing them with brighter sounding Paiste cymbals?🤔
Personally for me it has been the ride cymbal not the high hat. Go stand next to any front man who is usually standing in front of the drummer. I think you will quickly agree.
Hyperacusis that's probably the term I like to know about reduced frequency of people above 60 (?) Better check my ears first Before upgradingr my stereo right?
would i be right in thinking that whoever does what in music .. listen to music .. play music instruments or monitor music for producing is not allowed to have their own opinion & feel as that is what i want to enjoy.. not everyone has to be on a high hat to enjoy.. just love what you have & leave everyone to their own .. happiness is all enjoying the same things.. music..
Thank you sooo much for this...... The resonant frequency of a person's ear - fascinating. So people must hear really differently from each other. It is something that has played on my mind for years. Also the size and shape of the outer ear must also play a role.... and why do some people's ears increase in size as they grow older? Personally I have extremely narrow ear canals entrance ~ 5mm and am very fussy about mid bass frequencies...... hmmm
A great interview. I have to say that New York is very noisy. The electric car is long overdue there. Noise cancelling and in-ear headphones must be flying off the shelves. I wonder if LA is as loud? Of all the gangs of New York the audiophiles must be the most highly evolved!
With classical, or any acoustic music you don't worry about the decibels as much. Who wears earplugs when they go to a classical or jazz concert? When I go to rock concerts I always wear earplugs. Back in the day when I played in a shitty punk band we always wore ear plugs when we played. Do classical musicians?
I had to wear earplugs on many Jazz concerts thanks to incompetent engineers that put the volume as high as if it was a freaking Rammstein concert. With classical music that didn't happen yet, but that being a listener. May be a different story if you're the one performing.
DanielFlores5555 the Sound Guy sitting behind the board at a Concert Venue equalizes the system with various sound checks before the Concert begins and most will use white noise in conjunction with a Real Time Analyzer to set the parameters for the concert. Once things are properly “equalized” and adjustments made and set there should be little need for massive tweaks later but I have noticed that as a performance goes on many will begin to start boosting the high frequencies because they might be experiencing a form of “sound fatigue” and less sensitivity to the “highs” so they compensate accordingly. As a result it could become possible that the boosted high frequencies at the end of a concert are quite different from the response at the beginning of the concert. I wonder if others have noticed this same phenomena? My 2¢ 😂
@@Aswaguespack I don't think that I noticed this particular thing you're describing. Don't think I could... The volume level at some concerts was so high it literally hurt my ears. Since then I'm always carrying ear plugs to all Jazz concerts. I think some sound engineers are probably deaf, because I can't explain how they could do things like this. Fortunately, on some concerts the sound is not bad. I've experienced some with a really amazing sound quality, when you don't need ear plugs and don't even notice the speakers at all. But those are rare.
DanielFlores5555 As a musician I have personally witnessed this happen when another musician was standing with me by the mixing console, and he elbowed me, saying “hey watch him” and we began paying attention to how he was adjusting mostly the highs. It was almost like he was overcompensating for the apparent “fatigue” and some sort of high frequency attenuation he was experiencing and compensating for. I’m not saying all sound engineers in live venues do this but that it could happen as we witnessed it and my friend and I began to start to pay more attention and notice how the top end got so much brighter late in the evening (no pun intended sorry Paul Simon) as a result. Apparently this guy was not the only one we noticed that did this. Since our sample size is so limited, it was beyond our experience to collect further data.
The camera doesn't make sense. She looks at S., so there is no contact with us. We don't see S., and barely hear him. I would rather have them both or have the lady speak towards the cam.
@@poserwanabe of course it matters. Someone listening to an efficient horn speaker with a big woofer will likely have higher decibel levels than the planar speaker that starts a slapping back if you kick it too hard. Anyway having a trumpet loud behind you is different than a tuba.
@@poserwanabe no, because you could practice loudly on a tuba and never lose high frequency hearing from it versus say a trumpet at the same "sound pressure"
John Doe While it certainly is possible that someone with efficient horn speakers may listen sometimes to high level music, it is no more likely than someone listening with non horn speakers in the near field, as in most recording studios, or people like me at home listening in the nearfield. Also, low frequency sound does not typically impose a danger to hearing, its really more about the mids and highs. And hearing loss is predominately manifested in the mid and especially high frequency range.
Re. Safe noise levels. No different than a construction site? Damaging noise decibels from what I have read seem to be around plus 100 db for an hour or something like that. So listening at 70-90db with an occasional 100 plus db for a few hours is safe?But concerts can go above 110 db. I've had to leave shows b/c of this. Now I always carry earplugs in my wallet no matter where I go. Restaurants can be really bad!
Thanks Steve. I would have expected a more zealous advocacy of hearing protection rather than band-aid solutions. Hopefully maximum permissible sound levels at concerts will follow a class action suit in the near future. I find it appalling that concerts can cause permanent hearing damage to so many people at once. Hearing and music are such a beautiful gift! It's a shame that many musicians are the perpetrators. Interesting to hear that violinists cause their own hearing loss, but it makes sense. My wife has been learning violin. Hmmm... At least audiophiles have volume control ;-) I like Sensaphonics motto: ENJOY YOUR MUSIC. ENJOY YOUR LIFE. DON’T DESTROY YOUR HEARING.
Carlito Melon Your post shows why there is much more knowledge and awareness of noise (or music) levels and exposure time needed by the general public. In any case, the use of earplugs can definitely help reduce and even eliminate the risk of permanent threshold shifts of hearing.
@@musicianshearingsolutions4023 That would be great. I have listened to loud music (at 100+ dB average C weighted SPL) for about 5 decades but I have always limited myself to a single song, then listening to nothing or very quiet tracks for at least around 10 minutes to let the tympanic muscle recover before another onslaught of loud music. I have had my hearing tested about 5 years ago and have only normal age related roll-off. It would be very good and worthwhile to give us your opinion on the exposure to music in particular regarding SPLs and time exposure. Looking forward to another posting by you and Steve on this subject.
I play youtube videos at 2x normal speed. If others do this, then that contributes to the early clicks. Of course some folks will listen to only a small portion and make up their minds. If 2x speed makes the dialog garbled, then 1.75 or 1.5 is usually ideal for hearing and absorbing all of the dialog in less time. The speed change is not recommended for all videos. But it is handy for interviews and speeches, etc.
@@NoEgg4u as a non native English speaker I personally prefer 1.25 but I see your point. Don't take my comment about the thumbnail that serious though 😉
Perhaps I can’t wait for RUclips to start portioning the click/view count against the percentage of the video which was actually watched by the viewer. So if a viewer skips through a video and only watched 1/8 of a video, that only counts for 1/8 of a view.
Whether true or not in practice, I vehemently disagree that the audiophile and the musician are at opposite ends. Good music demands the highest standards in sound quality - the kind audiophiles obsess about. Even the unrefined, sort of rustic expressions of folk idiom, when recorded and mastered well, and played through quality audio components, become golden treasures worthy of our attention and affection. The one caveat though concerns kitsch: high audio standards applied to music imbued with saccharin vanity can cause the listener to be abruptly overcome by a deeply unsettling anxiety that discolors all that is good and right with the world. For most of us that is undesirable. With music which is universally recognized as having great artistic merit, such as Stravinsky’s Rite of Spring, a performance conducted by the composer himself that was recorded in the 1940’s sounds impish and pale in comparison to a modern rendition recorded with state of the art digital recording technology, such as Pierre Boulez’s 2013 recording of Rite. Stravinsky was not enamored with Boulez’s conducting of his iconic work going back to the 1960’s, but this 2013 recording is damn near good enough, and with the superior sound quality the listening experience is made exponentially more satisfying. Once you have driven a big comfortable Cadillac with a powerful and quiet motor that rides with smooth suspension, a model T with hard rubber tires just won’t do.
All of the peeps doing these reviews need to blind test - - funny how 99% of the reviewers are so freakin afraid and will never do it for us . .it actually says a lot about them and their BS
Interesting, but with her being a so-called audiologist, I would have expected to hear more about hearing health, such as talking about hearing loss and what causes it, how important it is to be tested, how dangerous IEMs are, and proper use of headphones (in ear, on ear, around ear), etc. Audiophiles tend to abuse their ears and that should be addressed. Sorry, but I am questioning her doctorate.
This wasn't a focus of this interview Eric - I have 23 years of experience along with a Doctorate degree, and plenty to say about hearing health. Please see my website www.musicianshearingsolutions.com for press on this subject. Thanks.
Great example of things you can cover beyond equipment reviews that are a huge benefit to the community. Thanks Steve!
I like her.
She gets it.
She gets the biz aspect of it...
Wonderful video.
I am a customer of Dr. G, having bought in ear headphones from her. A knowledgeable and aware person who really knows her space. Sorry she moved to LA. I miss her too!
Steve, thank you, and as Dr. Julie said, “you’re the best”!
That was absolutely fascinating to me as a musician who’s played live and loud for aprox 30 yrs and also an audiophile. Being that combination can be maddening at times too, cuz your not only listening to the music, but also what type of guitar is being played, what the bass player is doing in relation to the drums, the time signature, etc., etc. In addition to all of that, you also want the highest quality of sound, which can let you hone in on those things even more deeply.
The real magic seems to happen when you’re able to just sit back and enjoy the music.
Again, thank you, Steve. You are the best and we all love you! 🔊🎶😃
Nick Pantazi thank you!
Yay! There are other musicians who are audiophiles... I am not alone 😉
MrPeeBeeDeeBee
Haha! No, you are not alone. It can be difficult at times to stop analyzing the music. Maybe that’s a good thing? I dunno... At least we’re not just listening to the gear, so that’s good. Let’s just think we’ve got the best of both worlds.
Steve Guttenberg Audiophiliac
You’re more than welcome, Steve. I genuinely believe what I said. You mean so much to so many people, and that is truly a gift.
Wow, a really good subject matter, one that I am keenly interested in. I would really like to hear more from her on the issue of noise (or music) exposure and hearing loss. I have been interested in the workings of the human ear since I was a kid (I am 67 years old now) and have studied the ear and brain mechanisms and the perception and psychoacoustics of hearing for a long time. I am a fan of mostly rock and pop music and have listened with speakers and headphones and IEMs sometimes at really loud levels, however appreciating that I could damage my hearing I have always limited the time I expose myself to usually a single song. Then I let my ears rest by listening to nothing for awhile or something at really low level to let my tympanic muscle rejuvenate until I then again listen to something loud. I have had my hearing checked long ago in the Navy and was very sensitive across the spectrum then, but have had nothing but normal age related high frequency loss since, so I simply boost the trebles up a bit these days to compensate. I would really enjoy hearing more about the exposure to loud music and the time exposure issue. Thanks for a really good post Steve.
Excellent! Interesting, please have her again.
Really enjoyed this conversation, thank you!
Julie is super nice and so knowledgeable. I’ll make a few comments from my experience:
1- A good-sounding, isolating pair of in-ears is a total must in NYC. You just need to try this, really.
2- Active or passive noise cancellation is very important in NYC if you care to preserve your hearing - it also allows you to listen to music/podcasts at a lower volume so win-win.
3- Apple Airpod Pros are ok - they don’t sound great but they sound passable and will protect your hearing. Other in-ears are better (eg FiiO FH5 which will passively screen noise out)
4- Custom in-ear monitors are a mix bag in my opinion: They do isolate better, but need to be put on and off carefully and are not very comfortable - It is especially problematic to take them off quickly (eg when someone starts talking to you or there’s an emergency) - they are not the panacea I thought they would be (I have a pair of Noble K10 that Julie fitted actually)
5- Earplugs are a must have - I have still to try the Sensaphonics, I will get around it. Even the crappy 3Ms will protect your hearing - DO NOT go to a dance club without a pair of earplugs.
Amazing enlightening interview. Thanks 😀
Another great interview. Good job Steve.
Thanks Steve and Julie. Most interesting. Learn something new everyday.
Great video, it really gave me a good insight into that aspect in the world of audio. Also I love the shirts every video, keep being awesome Steve.
Excellent, more stuff like this please and what a charming and informative lady
In 1998, the LSU School of Medicine received a Defense Department grant to study hearing loss of people who work in high noise environments. Among that particular demographic musicians were selected for obvious reasons.
After a few preliminary screenings, I got selected to be one of the test subjects.
All I had to do with sit in a small anechoic booth with a computer transducer in each ear. Everything was programmed and the devices measured the responses in the inner ear. II did not have to do anything or say anything, everything was programmed. There may have been 50 ninety second frequency sweeps of different types in each ear. The data was compiled and I was provided with a graph of the results of the test which pretty much said what I long expected. My right ear rolls off severely beginning at 9kHz. The left ear was substantially better but not so great either. The process took about 8 hours with frequent breaks because it’s easy to get stir crazy in a small tight anechoic booth. If I moved, coughed, cleared my throat, etc then that test was ruined and had to be started again. 😳 interesting process. Now I wondered why the US Defense Department was so interested in hearing loss! Who knows what projects DARPA is working on that requires hearing proficiency. 😳
Really enjoyed the video with Julie.. thank you Steve..
Great interview Steve!
She gets it !
Very interesting episode.
Steve, it'd be awesome if you do an episode with the Tiny Desk sound engineers.
Thank you. What interview was very informative. I always learn something when I listen to you.
Excellent Production and a Great Presentation by your Guest today. Very informative and most instructive.
Thanks!
Very interesting topic! Thank you.
She fitted my UE in-ears. I really enjoyed working with her.
Very interesting interview. What a great perspective of audio and sound in general from her expertise.
This is quite interesting. Thanks for posting.
Funny she mentioned sitting in front of trumpet players. The first time I played trumpet in a semi-serious orchestra, the bassoonist in front of me put in foam ear plugs at the start of rehearsal. I was vaguely offended at first, but she set me straight by asking me to imagine playing a horn with the bell pointed right into my ear. Fair enough.
On the other end of the spectrum, I saw a master class Doc Severinsen did in the early '90's, when he was around 65, in which he struggled to hear some of the questions. By that point, he had been standing in front of Ed Shaughnessy and other big band drummers for 30+ years and needed things to be a little loud. He still sounded amazing, but by that time he had been playing the trumpet professionally for 50 years, so he could pretty much do it by feel.
Fascinating. Easily the best video If yours so far. And having lived for two separate stretches in New York, I’m so glad to know I was in the company of better audiophiles there 😉
Steve, this was fascinating and timely. I’m about to get my first pair of hearing aids for my 77 year old ears. Talk about “action learning.” Discovering what hearing aids will do to my experience of high frequencies and low volumes has me on edge and at attention. The existential question: WILL I hear more of what’s coming at me from my Forte IIIs and CAN I hear more from the Cornwall IVs to which I aspire? In the age of America First and Coronavirus, this is my micro lab exploring how everything is related to everything else. Great gratitude for sharing your explorations, discoveries and friends, and their explorations and discoveries. Who knew the ‘sounds of music’ could be such a wild ride!
Lovely ! and instructive.
Really great perspectives
Forgot to add, excellent interview. Was looking for earplugs and will look into sensaphonics when we get to the other side of the current emergency.
I think I remember her introducing you to me at a NY Head-fi meet. She asked if I knew you and I said no, but I know OF you!
Great interview. Interesting to hear you briefly mention hearing protection. As an audiophile I think I'm going to regret all those concerts I never wore earplugs for in the years to come. I did some extensive Amazon research and bought some etymotic research earplugs last year. It's actually improved my concert experience so I agree with her comments regards supersonic hearing.
Wish I'd done it years ago now but after using only cheapo earplugs I didn't think earplugs did anything but muffle the sound so never used them.
Very good!!!
That's fascinating. I have tinitis and it really sounds like jets ideling on a runway in both ears. With that said I can still hear just fine. Weird hu. At any rate, great interview!
Steve is friends with some really good looking women! I guess it’s the eye catching shirts!
Steve, so glad you brought up the fact that older lets just say audiophiles perceive a harness in the upper mid-range. that's my issue, and didn't really it is in issue till now. i'm 59 and can only hear to 14k and i have a sensitivity to the upper mid-range. Between days of Hot Rods and Harleys my ears are shot in away if i'm in a room with lots of people talking all i hear is the back ground but not the conversation. but when i'm critically listening to by stereo at home everything is beautiful. probably doesn't sound as good to people with good hearing. i would guess i'm not alone?
You are lucky in my book. My hearing only goes to 9 kh.
I need some of those ear protection plugs! I can barely stand going to Restaraunts because of the LOUDNESS!
I was really interested in the part about the Sensaphonics ear plugs, because I may as well be completely deaf when trying to hear conversation even in moderately loud places. When Dr Glick described how they worked, I decided to check them out on the website. I expect they're well researched and worth every penny, but out of my reach for now. Still, knowing that this tech exists is something I did not know 20 minutes ago.
Wow, the last 30 seconds of this interview blew my mind There are ear plugs that allow you to drown out background sound and hear close conversation more clearly? I thought I was the only one who was interested in this type of device! I'm super sensitive to noise and need to get these.
Wait till you see how much they cost...
Where do you get them?
Wow impressed- I feel I can just trust her- if I had the cash and in the market for custom iem I would go see her 👍🏼
being a musician, this is good stuff and so true, but....being a musician and an audiophile presents a whole different set of circumstances...we drive ourselves crazy with sound lol
Great video Steve and Dr. J. Up there as one of your best. Imagine that, choosing based on what you hear, not your preconceived notions. Steve recently asked, what is snake oil. Personally I find it a ludicrous term mainly because those who use it do so to explain away that which they can’t conceive of, or haven’t experienced, all the while nullifying my life’s experience as a listener. It’s recently dawned on me that the only true “ snake oil “ I come across in my life as an audiophile is the preconceived notions people have which only serve to limit their experience as a listener.
I find one of the things that set people off to call something "snakeoil" is when a product is more expensive than they can afford
Removing "preconceived notion" from audio gear? That's awesome.
Steve, great interview. I bet your soup tasted better that afternoon. Julie was awesome.
50% tinnitus!!! Wow. I would never have guessed that. I'm a classical musician - audiophile and suffering from tinnitus over 30 years
Fantastic episode? The lady is a PhD in audiology? Wow!
After watching this video, it only validates a hypothesis I've been harboring since the mid 1990s that me and vinyl guru Michael Fremer might have a hearing response that measures eerily close when measured with a Fast Fourier Transform analyzer. 🤔
Even the shirts are getting “better-looking”
This is very interesting and I feel like I want to learn more. My hope is that one day technology and in ear headphones can correct tinnitus by sampling the
Noise and play it back out of phase to cancel it. Lol
Doctor Julie - I'm a Beatles era / Garage Band Drummer (I still keep a Drum Key tool, on my Key Chain !); turned Audio Salesman with about 20 years of experience in Retail, Factory & Independent Sales Rep. areas in that field (on Both Coasts). I'm always Listening for Tonality of All the instruments (especially the Female Voice or) e.g. the "tear" of the Trumpet. As for What I listen for, from a Drum Kit, Live or Recorded; are the "shimmering sizzle", the sustain & decay of Cymbals … Does that make me Weird ??? ;-)
Being 50+ now, what headphones would you recommend for someone sensitive to high frequencies? Cheers
Not many high end audio stores in Hollywood!
Any advice for a personal monitor system for a deaf musician (bassist) in a band? Thanks.
Julie is fine. She can tune my ears anytime!
This shirt is dope. Where’d you get it?
A bright piece can be boosted in the 5000-10000Hz area, elderly people hear that just fine.
Speaking of age related hearing loss - sometimes I wonder why drummers in my neighborhood - and elsewhere - aged 64 or older had kept their Zildjian cymbals that they've bought back in the 1970s on their drumkits, instead of replacing them with brighter sounding Paiste cymbals?🤔
Personally for me it has been the ride cymbal not the high hat.
Go stand next to any front man who is usually standing in front of the drummer. I think you will quickly agree.
Nice shirt
I measured myself and was shocked to realize I can only hear to 11kHz
Hyperacusis that's probably the term I like to know about reduced frequency of people above 60 (?)
Better check my ears first Before upgradingr my stereo right?
My ears are very sensitive around the 2-8K mark. Hence I prefer a scooped sound (recesed upper mids).
4k is a standard ear bleed for most people, when mixing live you almost always need a notch there 👍
@@poserwanabe Wow, I did not know that. I guess that makes sense.
would i be right in thinking that whoever does what in music .. listen to music .. play music instruments or monitor music for producing is not allowed to have their own opinion & feel as that is what i want to enjoy.. not everyone has to be on a high hat to enjoy.. just love what you have & leave everyone to their own .. happiness is all enjoying the same things.. music..
I used to listen to music from a musicians point of view and now I listen from an audiophile point of view
She actually did the molds for my Noble Kaiser 10 a few years ago
Help, I have lost some hearing in my right ear
Thank you sooo much for this...... The resonant frequency of a person's ear - fascinating. So people must hear really differently from each other. It is something that has played on my mind for years. Also the size and shape of the outer ear must also play a role.... and why do some people's ears increase in size as they grow older? Personally I have extremely narrow ear canals entrance ~ 5mm and am very fussy about mid bass frequencies...... hmmm
I wish I would of worn ear protection from an earlier age. 😭 Ear protection kids! Fun video tho!
A great interview. I have to say that New York is very noisy. The electric car is long overdue there. Noise cancelling and in-ear headphones must be flying off the shelves. I wonder if LA is as loud? Of all the gangs of New York the audiophiles must be the most highly evolved!
With classical, or any acoustic music you don't worry about the decibels as much. Who wears earplugs when they go to a classical or jazz concert? When I go to rock concerts I always wear earplugs.
Back in the day when I played in a shitty punk band we always wore ear plugs when we played.
Do classical musicians?
Drummers tend use them.
I had to wear earplugs on many Jazz concerts thanks to incompetent engineers that put the volume as high as if it was a freaking Rammstein concert. With classical music that didn't happen yet, but that being a listener. May be a different story if you're the one performing.
DanielFlores5555 the Sound Guy sitting behind the board at a Concert Venue equalizes the system with various sound checks before the Concert begins and most will use white noise in conjunction with a Real Time Analyzer to set the parameters for the concert. Once things are properly “equalized” and adjustments made and set there should be little need for massive tweaks later but I have noticed that as a performance goes on many will begin to start boosting the high frequencies because they might be experiencing a form of “sound fatigue” and less sensitivity to the “highs” so they compensate accordingly. As a result it could become possible that the boosted high frequencies at the end of a concert are quite different from the response at the beginning of the concert.
I wonder if others have noticed this same phenomena?
My 2¢ 😂
@@Aswaguespack I don't think that I noticed this particular thing you're describing. Don't think I could... The volume level at some concerts was so high it literally hurt my ears. Since then I'm always carrying ear plugs to all Jazz concerts.
I think some sound engineers are probably deaf, because I can't explain how they could do things like this.
Fortunately, on some concerts the sound is not bad. I've experienced some with a really amazing sound quality, when you don't need ear plugs and don't even notice the speakers at all. But those are rare.
DanielFlores5555 As a musician I have personally witnessed this happen when another musician was standing with me by the mixing console, and he elbowed me, saying “hey watch him” and we began paying attention to how he was adjusting mostly the highs. It was almost like he was overcompensating for the apparent “fatigue” and some sort of high frequency attenuation he was experiencing and compensating for. I’m not saying all sound engineers in live venues do this but that it could happen as we witnessed it and my friend and I began to start to pay more attention and notice how the top end got so much brighter late in the evening (no pun intended sorry Paul Simon) as a result. Apparently this guy was not the only one we noticed that did this. Since our sample size is so limited, it was beyond our experience to collect further data.
The camera doesn't make sense. She looks at S., so there is no contact with us. We don't see S., and barely hear him. I would rather have them both or have the lady speak towards the cam.
Ask her sometime if listening to horn speakers at loud volumes causes more hearing loss than soft tweeters.
Sound pressure is decibels, it doesn't matter how it's being developed 🙉
@@poserwanabe of course it matters. Someone listening to an efficient horn speaker with a big woofer will likely have higher decibel levels than the planar speaker that starts a slapping back if you kick it too hard. Anyway having a trumpet loud behind you is different than a tuba.
@@JohnDoe-np3zk ok so your reply went straight to decibels which is EXACTLY what I said ...
@@poserwanabe no, because you could practice loudly on a tuba and never lose high frequency hearing from it versus say a trumpet at the same "sound pressure"
John Doe While it certainly is possible that someone with efficient horn speakers may listen sometimes to high level music, it is no more likely than someone listening with non horn speakers in the near field, as in most recording studios, or people like me at home listening in the nearfield. Also, low frequency sound does not typically impose a danger to hearing, its really more about the mids and highs. And hearing loss is predominately manifested in the mid and especially high frequency range.
any relation to Jiminy?
Re. Safe noise levels. No different than a construction site? Damaging noise decibels from what I have read seem to be around plus 100 db for an hour or something like that. So listening at 70-90db with an occasional 100 plus db for a few hours is safe?But concerts can go above 110 db. I've had to leave shows b/c of this. Now I always carry earplugs in my wallet no matter where I go. Restaurants can be really bad!
Thanks Steve.
I would have expected a more zealous advocacy of hearing protection rather than band-aid solutions. Hopefully maximum permissible sound levels at concerts will follow a class action suit in the near future. I find it appalling that concerts can cause permanent hearing damage to so many people at once.
Hearing and music are such a beautiful gift!
It's a shame that many musicians are the perpetrators.
Interesting to hear that violinists cause their own hearing loss, but it makes sense. My wife has been learning violin. Hmmm...
At least audiophiles have volume control ;-)
I like Sensaphonics motto:
ENJOY YOUR MUSIC. ENJOY YOUR LIFE. DON’T DESTROY YOUR HEARING.
Suggest to your wife to use a mute to practice with. This can cut the sound level substantially.
I think hearing loss at concerts won't be a concern for a while.
Carlito Melon Your post shows why there is much more knowledge and awareness of noise (or music) levels and exposure time needed by the general public. In any case, the use of earplugs can definitely help reduce and even eliminate the risk of permanent threshold shifts of hearing.
Hi Carlito - I would be happy to cover that - it wasn't the focus of our discussion, but yes a very important topic
@@musicianshearingsolutions4023 That would be great. I have listened to loud music (at 100+ dB average C weighted SPL) for about 5 decades but I have always limited myself to a single song, then listening to nothing or very quiet tracks for at least around 10 minutes to let the tympanic muscle recover before another onslaught of loud music. I have had my hearing tested about 5 years ago and have only normal age related roll-off. It would be very good and worthwhile to give us your opinion on the exposure to music in particular regarding SPLs and time exposure. Looking forward to another posting by you and Steve on this subject.
Are you sure rappers can hear?
17 min video posted 8 mins back and has 12 likes.
I'm sure the thumbnail is the reason for this
I play youtube videos at 2x normal speed. If others do this, then that contributes to the early clicks. Of course some folks will listen to only a small portion and make up their minds.
If 2x speed makes the dialog garbled, then 1.75 or 1.5 is usually ideal for hearing and absorbing all of the dialog in less time.
The speed change is not recommended for all videos. But it is handy for interviews and speeches, etc.
@@NoEgg4u as a non native English speaker I personally prefer 1.25 but I see your point. Don't take my comment about the thumbnail that serious though 😉
Perhaps I can’t wait for RUclips to start portioning the click/view count against the percentage of the video which was actually watched by the viewer. So if a viewer skips through a video and only watched 1/8 of a video, that only counts for 1/8 of a view.
Said California is the place you oughta be
So they loaded up the truck and they moved to Beverly
(Hills that is, swimming pools, movie stars.
Does she have a system at home ...and what’s it’s made up of .🤔
Carmine De Santo just the mention of an astell and kern, tells me she knows about quality playback
Whether true or not in practice, I vehemently disagree that the audiophile and the musician are at opposite ends. Good music demands the highest standards in sound quality - the kind audiophiles obsess about. Even the unrefined, sort of rustic expressions of folk idiom, when recorded and mastered well, and played through quality audio components, become golden treasures worthy of our attention and affection. The one caveat though concerns kitsch: high audio standards applied to music imbued with saccharin vanity can cause the listener to be abruptly overcome by a deeply unsettling anxiety that discolors all that is good and right with the world. For most of us that is undesirable. With music which is universally recognized as having great artistic merit, such as Stravinsky’s Rite of Spring, a performance conducted by the composer himself that was recorded in the 1940’s sounds impish and pale in comparison to a modern rendition recorded with state of the art digital recording technology, such as Pierre Boulez’s 2013 recording of Rite. Stravinsky was not enamored with Boulez’s conducting of his iconic work going back to the 1960’s, but this 2013 recording is damn near good enough, and with the superior sound quality the listening experience is made exponentially more satisfying. Once you have driven a big comfortable Cadillac with a powerful and quiet motor that rides with smooth suspension, a model T with hard rubber tires just won’t do.
All of the peeps doing these reviews need to blind test - - funny how 99% of the reviewers are so freakin afraid and will never do it for us . .it actually says a lot about them and their BS
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Interesting, but with her being a so-called audiologist, I would have expected to hear more about hearing health, such as talking about hearing loss and what causes it, how important it is to be tested, how dangerous IEMs are, and proper use of headphones (in ear, on ear, around ear), etc. Audiophiles tend to abuse their ears and that should be addressed. Sorry, but I am questioning her doctorate.
This wasn't a focus of this interview Eric - I have 23 years of experience along with a Doctorate degree, and plenty to say about hearing health. Please see my website www.musicianshearingsolutions.com for press on this subject. Thanks.
I would stop these interviews given you are part of high risk group for Covid19