ASR is on fireeee.. Thank you for your time and effort. For us audiophiles with a few terms and phenomena confused inside our heads, your guidance is really valuable. Every video has nuggets of knowledge helping us with the big picture.
That is very kind of you. I am going to keep posting new videos until our voice is heard as loudly as others who don't follow proper science and engineering in audio.
@@AudioScienceReview believe it or not, your voice has been loud enough to turn such a die hard vinyl enthusiast as myself into a person who now fact checks their beliefs. You may think it's a small thing, but I am certain that changing the way other people think is the most powerful thing a person can do. So, more power to you and keep it on!
Fantastic review, I am still very impressed by this speaker at this price. An other approach could be to experiment with damping materials now that it is known where the problems come from. It has the added advantage to address the root cause and modding is fun :)
Guaranteed this review will spark a whole enthusiast DIY Ayra Pro mod community, with attempts at taming those cabinet and port resonances. At that price and with the mods, this little thing could provide great sound in a lot of casual settings. The only hurdle is that the test equipment needed, which you have, is expensive and complex to operate. Maybe a simple tool based on a MiniDSP could provide enough experiment data to tune the corrective materials.
@@AudioScienceReview Even better is to transfer all innards into a new enclosure :) sturdy, no plastic, good port tuning...could be a gem for the price
There are not perfect but at that price amazing value with a little more thought gone into pre production they could been even better thanks for that great review !
I have tested Yamaha HS7: www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/yamaha-hs7-review-studio-monitor.19761/ And A5X: www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/adam-a5x-review-powered-studio-monitor.22860/ Hopefully I will get my hands on the larger ones to test as well.
Hi it leaves me a little surprised that a manufacturer puts out a speaker with such evident issues 14:05 Ok it is for the cheap studios and not pro recording engineers But still ... A really great review ... as always Thank you very much for this Kindest regards gino
With dsp and good measurements they could easily and cheaply make a revision that fixes those response irregularities. That would truly make this an awesome speaker
If you can get your hands on the TT+ line from rcf please do a review. They are Rcf’s high-res line. They hand build them in Italy and they are very expensive but definitely worth it.
Wow this was amazing review but I'm considering buying the 8 inch version of these, do you think they would be better in any of the problems you saw in 5 inch or no?
Great review! I have this speaker and I can truly hear what these measurements throw. That midrange coloration and bump in the upper bass. But, as a low budget product, it delivers. On the positive side, there's good separation, low frequency extension and fairly good staging for the price.
I have been using their Italian made ART series the longest in smaller venues. RCF don't get much brand recognition in the US market but RCF is big when it comes to live sound/stadiums. When they decided to release their studio line they went China for manufacturing to cut cost and dumped all their know how into the monitors. This is just their 2nd iteration of the AYRA series.
It would be interesting to do a few graphs of a rear ported speaker. One with the port blocked off, One with the speaker up against the wall, and a few more with the speaker 1 inch 2 inch 3 inch 4 inch from the wall.
@@AudioScienceReview very good. I just hope your to-do list isn't as long as my to-do list. My to-do list is like the universe. It just keeps expanding and looks like it's never going to stop.
I would be very interested in the measurements of a RCF Art Series speaker. They sound phenomenal in person to me (very good transients similar to Function One)
These measurements do not rely on windowing in the classic sense. Klippel NFS uses dual scan technology to separate the direct sound from indirect sound. So reflections are filtered away, resulting in anechoic response. Windowing is used but above 1 kHz where it doesn't reduce resolution. Below that the dual scan is used.
Would this be a good speaker for a 2.0 TV (=Netflix etc) and some music setup for my living room? Listening distance is 9ft. Or any other better choice in this price range? I use optical from my TV to a Cambridge Audio DacMagic Plus DAC which has XLR output so I'm looking for suitable speakers for this use with XLR. I'm also looking at the Adam T5V and Presonus Eris E5 XT. Any input would be greatly appreciated. Thank you.
Thanks for doing these videos! Ayra PRO5s cost about the same as ADAM T5Vs, are the T5Vs still better then these? The ADAMs are just minimally more expensive.
Hi, Great video. There are resonant peaks in the port output. Experienced the same problem with most of the ported enclosures I encountered. What is the right treatment for the problem? Filling damping material in the box, reducing the length of port? Could you please help me with your expertise? Thank you.
There are a range of techniques. One is optimization of the box size and placement of ports. Another is meta material that KEF is using in their latest speakers. It is not an easy problem to solve though as I mentioned in the video. Everything has consequences in speaker design.
Amir would probably disagree, but I simply go with sealed designs. No port, no problem. Obviously there's no free lunch either and you pay the price in efficiency and excursion for a gentler, downward slope and better impulse response. In case of stand mounters, well, the volume formerly occupied by the stand makes for a neat location of an additional low frequency driver, which in a 2.5way configuration compensates for the losses nicely.
@@paulb4661 problem of resonance exists even in a sealed chamber as far as I know (of course magnitude of resonance is greatly reduced compared to ported designs). Getting rid of reflection, resonance leads to the idea of open baffle. Even in open baffle room modes will cause issues. As Amir mentioned "everything is a tradeoff". Thank you for the valuable opinion.
Camano Island is very quiet so I don't understand your comment (we used to have a house across from it on Whidbey Island). Everywhere you look is green so don't know about concrete jungle either. Anyway, we don't live in Seattle either and enjoy wonderful wilderness despite being very close to civilization. We have more deer in our yard than you can count at times.
@@AudioScienceReview There are a few nice places like Camano and Whidbey, but from the Olympia to Everett is solid city. Spend a week in Oregon, and when you cross back over the Columbia things change drastically. I have almost Zero noise pollution down here, the sonic difference is unreal.
@@freeradical431 We come to Oregon all the time and like it there as well. So no need to get into a fight over that. :) The waterfalls are amazing there across the border.
@@AudioScienceReview Amir, just take a shot instead of saying ummm or ahhh each time, you will be gone in sixty seconds. Seriously man take a listen back to your videos with a counter in hand and do an audit of your deliveries, you might be shocked at how unprofessional you do actually sound. I get it that you are on a campaign to show up charlatanism in the audio world and this needs to be done, that said please lift you game and make it properly professional. Also we often hear your takes on 'no audible difference', PLEASE include recordings of DUT in you audio system so WE can be the judges. Mikey (OCD HiFi Guy) uses a Samsung cell phone on a tripod and this is well sufficient to convey audible differences in cables, gear and accessories/tweaks etc despite limitations of YT audio compression. You have an obvious 'fan boy' following, including audio recordings would get the notice of real audio professionals and increase your credibility, as it stands AP graphs and your 'opinion' don't hold so much weight as you would believe. Test tone measurements are important indicator of gross performance of gear but tell only half the story, dynamic performance ie excess noise behaviour is the real arbiter of audio system acceptability. Except for objective and subjective comparison of loopback recordings I don't know of a static measurement protocol that properly quantifies dynamic behavious of audio gear and correlates with subjective findings, perhaps you could define an AP routine that reliably differentiates what the ear does so easily. Cheers.
𝘾𝙤𝙢𝙥𝙚𝙩𝙞𝙩𝙞𝙤𝙣 𝙞𝙨 𝙗𝙧𝙪𝙩𝙖𝙡... by wide margin; no segment offers the performance value that active monitors represent. I own several active mains. And currently, I have three sets of active mains set up... facilitating easy A/B evaluation. JBL's 308p @$219 apiece! (decades of JBL research, implemented in an offshore offering) I also own QSC's K8 @$800 each I now own 6 of these, out of the box these reset the bar in affordable pro-audio 2-ways. (I've modded the interior w/damping) My big actives are Seaton Cat12, a double 12", w/a coax, DSP aligned, 2kw 3-way @$4k each. I've got several pairs of conventional passive loudspeakers, each approach has it's strengths. It's just the off the chart value and performance that's available within the active monitors is astounding. (fwiw; I purchased the $4k actives first, progressing downward to the $219 JBLs) I'm renting a set of Meyer X-40 Ultra in July, my daughter's wedding reception, I'll have those and a pair of Meyer 18" 900lfc for a week or more to play with... in addition to the wedding. The Meyer X-40 is the ultimate small, active, pro loudspeaker. eeek ... ! +$26k for the set! www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/UltraX40Sub2--meyer-sound-ultra-x40-loudspeaker-and-900lfc-subwoofer-power-couple Meyer, none better. Appreciate the content Amir All the best
ASR is on fireeee.. Thank you for your time and effort. For us audiophiles with a few terms and phenomena confused inside our heads, your guidance is really valuable. Every video has nuggets of knowledge helping us with the big picture.
Only channel where i watch every single video, often a couple of times. Educational and entertaining.
Oh, that is very kind of you to say Jeremy.
Yep. It's such a breath of fresh air to not feel you're being markedet to. Thank you, Amir.
One of the few speaker manufacturers that are publishing their honest frequency response. Good to see. 👍
Thanks for this.
Yes, finally! This speaker has always looked so good.
Glad you are back! I love this TRUE reviews.
I don’t normally involve myself in internet stuff, but this time I will like and comment every video I watch on your channel. Thank you, mr. Amir!
That is very kind of you. I am going to keep posting new videos until our voice is heard as loudly as others who don't follow proper science and engineering in audio.
@@AudioScienceReview believe it or not, your voice has been loud enough to turn such a die hard vinyl enthusiast as myself into a person who now fact checks their beliefs. You may think it's a small thing, but I am certain that changing the way other people think is the most powerful thing a person can do. So, more power to you and keep it on!
Super informative. Those resonance frequencies at the crossover were really explained well.
Fantastic review, I am still very impressed by this speaker at this price. An other approach could be to experiment with damping materials now that it is known where the problems come from. It has the added advantage to address the root cause and modding is fun :)
Indeed. A short-cut would be to partially or fully close the ports. You lose bass but if you have a sub that may be OK.
Guaranteed this review will spark a whole enthusiast DIY Ayra Pro mod community, with attempts at taming those cabinet and port resonances. At that price and with the mods, this little thing could provide great sound in a lot of casual settings. The only hurdle is that the test equipment needed, which you have, is expensive and complex to operate. Maybe a simple tool based on a MiniDSP could provide enough experiment data to tune the corrective materials.
Didn't think about that but yes, taming cabinet resonances would be a nice DIY project. So good thinking there!
@@AudioScienceReview Even better is to transfer all innards into a new enclosure :) sturdy, no plastic, good port tuning...could be a gem for the price
Another excellent informative review. I always learn at least one thing and sometimes many things. Thanks Amir!
There are not perfect but at that price amazing value with a little more thought gone into pre production they could been even better thanks for that great review !
Another awesome learning experience !! Thank you Amir boss man ! Mucho appreciated !
You are very kind Jean.
I'd love to see this kind of in-depth data on some more popular monitors like the ADAM A7X and Yamaha HS8.
I have tested Yamaha HS7: www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/yamaha-hs7-review-studio-monitor.19761/
And A5X: www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/adam-a5x-review-powered-studio-monitor.22860/
Hopefully I will get my hands on the larger ones to test as well.
Hi it leaves me a little surprised that a manufacturer puts out a speaker with such evident issues 14:05 Ok it is for the cheap studios and not pro recording engineers But still ...
A really great review ... as always Thank you very much for this Kindest regards gino
loving the reviews, keep it up!
With dsp and good measurements they could easily and cheaply make a revision that fixes those response irregularities. That would truly make this an awesome speaker
Agree. I am hoping they do that.
If you can get your hands on the TT+ line from rcf please do a review. They are Rcf’s high-res line. They hand build them in Italy and they are very expensive but definitely worth it.
Wow this was amazing review but I'm considering buying the 8 inch version of these, do you think they would be better in any of the problems you saw in 5 inch or no?
Great review! I have this speaker and I can truly hear what these measurements throw. That midrange coloration and bump in the upper bass. But, as a low budget product, it delivers. On the positive side, there's good separation, low frequency extension and fairly good staging for the price.
Awesome review Buddy !
I have been using their Italian made ART series the longest in smaller venues. RCF don't get much brand recognition in the US market but RCF is big when it comes to live sound/stadiums. When they decided to release their studio line they went China for manufacturing to cut cost and dumped all their know how into the monitors. This is just their 2nd iteration of the AYRA series.
Thank you for the video!
It would be interesting to do a few graphs of a rear ported speaker. One with the port blocked off, One with the speaker up against the wall, and a few more with the speaker 1 inch 2 inch 3 inch 4 inch from the wall.
Good suggestion. I will put it on my TODO list.
@@AudioScienceReview very good. I just hope your to-do list isn't as long as my to-do list. My to-do list is like the universe. It just keeps expanding and looks like it's never going to stop.
I would be very interested in the measurements of a RCF Art Series speaker. They sound phenomenal in person to me (very good transients similar to Function One)
What kind of windowing and how much are you using in these measurements? Thanks for amazing content you are putting out!
These measurements do not rely on windowing in the classic sense. Klippel NFS uses dual scan technology to separate the direct sound from indirect sound. So reflections are filtered away, resulting in anechoic response. Windowing is used but above 1 kHz where it doesn't reduce resolution. Below that the dual scan is used.
@@AudioScienceReview thank you!
Not a bad speaker for the price
17:45 what eq plugin/software do you use? or we can stick to APO and it's good enough?
בתקציב של עד 1500 ש״ח ליחידה האם היית ממליץ על הדגם הזה או שיש משהו יותר מוצלח? תודה.
do you know how similar this speaker is to the osd Nero AB5 speaker. they look very similar
Could the port resonance be tamed with foam plugs, or would that just create another, worse, problem?
i know this is a budget set but are there any decent speakers for around a 100, for a full set (i dont mind mono)
Sound good, play loud, be cheap... Below ~$3K/Pr, pick any two.
Would this be a good speaker for a 2.0 TV (=Netflix etc) and some music setup for my living room? Listening distance is 9ft. Or any other better choice in this price range? I use optical from my TV to a Cambridge Audio DacMagic Plus DAC which has XLR output so I'm looking for suitable speakers for this use with XLR. I'm also looking at the Adam T5V and Presonus Eris E5 XT. Any input would be greatly appreciated. Thank you.
Studio monitor sound great you can't go wrong
Thank you for the review! Wonder if they have that price in EU.
as of today in amazon italy it is rated at 330 for a couple, so it's about a 10% higher.
@@angelourso4250 Not bad if you conciser the high sales taxes in Europe that ends up in the pockets of the corrupt political elite.
Can be found way cheaper, 207€ few weeks ago in France (228$) for a pair
@@hugobloemers4425 145 €/unit with taxes and other benefits included.
Thanks for doing these videos!
Ayra PRO5s cost about the same as ADAM T5Vs, are the T5Vs still better then these? The ADAMs are just minimally more expensive.
Adam is a better speaker but costs more here. If they are the same where you are, I would get the Adam.
@@AudioScienceReview Thank you.
@@AudioScienceReview But if hiss is an issue, would you opt for RCF? I want the Adams but RCF are said to have almost no hiss.
I wonder why they use dual ports
Hi, Great video. There are resonant peaks in the port output. Experienced the same problem with most of the ported enclosures I encountered. What is the right treatment for the problem? Filling damping material in the box, reducing the length of port? Could you please help me with your expertise? Thank you.
There are a range of techniques. One is optimization of the box size and placement of ports. Another is meta material that KEF is using in their latest speakers. It is not an easy problem to solve though as I mentioned in the video. Everything has consequences in speaker design.
Amir would probably disagree, but I simply go with sealed designs. No port, no problem. Obviously there's no free lunch either and you pay the price in efficiency and excursion for a gentler, downward slope and better impulse response. In case of stand mounters, well, the volume formerly occupied by the stand makes for a neat location of an additional low frequency driver, which in a 2.5way configuration compensates for the losses nicely.
@@AudioScienceReview great point, i will look more in to it. Thank you.
@@paulb4661 problem of resonance exists even in a sealed chamber as far as I know (of course magnitude of resonance is greatly reduced compared to ported designs). Getting rid of reflection, resonance leads to the idea of open baffle. Even in open baffle room modes will cause issues. As Amir mentioned "everything is a tradeoff". Thank you for the valuable opinion.
@Douglas Blake thank you, definitely it needs to be experimented with 👍
Not too bad for the price, but Genelec fans will ignore this entry.
everyone is a genelec fan but I'd rather buy these and a car for the same price
I used to live on Camano Island. Got the heck out of Washington, its an insane rat race in a concrete jungle.
Camano Island is very quiet so I don't understand your comment (we used to have a house across from it on Whidbey Island). Everywhere you look is green so don't know about concrete jungle either. Anyway, we don't live in Seattle either and enjoy wonderful wilderness despite being very close to civilization. We have more deer in our yard than you can count at times.
@@AudioScienceReview There are a few nice places like Camano and Whidbey, but from the Olympia to Everett is solid city. Spend a week in Oregon, and when you cross back over the Columbia things change drastically. I have almost Zero noise pollution down here, the sonic difference is unreal.
@@freeradical431 We come to Oregon all the time and like it there as well. So no need to get into a fight over that. :) The waterfalls are amazing there across the border.
rcf is the best
They must be using an incredibly cheap ADC and DAC.
There are $1 DACs with integrated ADC and DAC made for computers and such.
basically buy krk rokit 5 g4
Ahhh 14 times in the first minute....REALLY.
Oui
Ahhh.. I uhh concentrate on the content over the, uhh delivery. 😀
Takes me a while to warm up and pick up the pace! :D
@@1fattyfatman you probably don't with your speakers though :)
@@AudioScienceReview Amir, just take a shot instead of saying ummm or ahhh each time, you will be gone in sixty seconds. Seriously man take a listen back to your videos with a counter in hand and do an audit of your deliveries, you might be shocked at how unprofessional you do actually sound. I get it that you are on a campaign to show up charlatanism in the audio world and this needs to be done, that said please lift you game and make it properly professional. Also we often hear your takes on 'no audible difference', PLEASE include recordings of DUT in you audio system so WE can be the judges. Mikey (OCD HiFi Guy) uses a Samsung cell phone on a tripod and this is well sufficient to convey audible differences in cables, gear and accessories/tweaks etc despite limitations of YT audio compression. You have an obvious 'fan boy' following, including audio recordings would get the notice of real audio professionals and increase your credibility, as it stands AP graphs and your 'opinion' don't hold so much weight as you would believe. Test tone measurements are important indicator of gross performance of gear but tell only half the story, dynamic performance ie excess noise behaviour is the real arbiter of audio system acceptability. Except for objective and subjective comparison of loopback recordings I don't know of a static measurement protocol that properly quantifies dynamic behavious of audio gear and correlates with subjective findings, perhaps you could define an AP routine that reliably differentiates what the ear does so easily. Cheers.
𝘾𝙤𝙢𝙥𝙚𝙩𝙞𝙩𝙞𝙤𝙣 𝙞𝙨 𝙗𝙧𝙪𝙩𝙖𝙡... by wide margin; no segment offers the performance value that active monitors represent.
I own several active mains.
And currently, I have three sets of active mains set up... facilitating easy A/B evaluation.
JBL's 308p @$219 apiece!
(decades of JBL research, implemented in an offshore offering)
I also own QSC's K8 @$800 each
I now own 6 of these, out of the box these reset the bar in affordable pro-audio 2-ways.
(I've modded the interior w/damping)
My big actives are Seaton Cat12, a double 12", w/a coax, DSP aligned, 2kw 3-way @$4k each.
I've got several pairs of conventional passive loudspeakers, each approach has it's strengths.
It's just the off the chart value and performance that's available within the active monitors is astounding.
(fwiw; I purchased the $4k actives first, progressing downward to the $219 JBLs)
I'm renting a set of Meyer X-40 Ultra in July, my daughter's wedding reception, I'll have those and a pair of Meyer 18" 900lfc for a week or more to play with... in addition to the wedding.
The Meyer X-40 is the ultimate small, active, pro loudspeaker.
eeek ... ! +$26k for the set!
www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/UltraX40Sub2--meyer-sound-ultra-x40-loudspeaker-and-900lfc-subwoofer-power-couple
Meyer, none better.
Appreciate the content Amir
All the best