Just to be clear: we always (for the last 15 years) have bare metal installs of Windows deployed for every CPU we test. It was a given from day one, for GPUs as well. When AMD clearly stated in their materials we needed to have a fresh Windows install for the 7800X3D after benchmarking the 7950X3D, mostly due to scheduler changes, the first thought was "duh". But anyways, there it is. :)
I have this Natx case and L12s ghost cooler also but use a full sized atx motherboard in it. I only use two slots of my memory in my rig and since the first slot is empty i was able to bend my cooler 10-11mm and fit a full sized 120mmx25mm fan on top. Amazing cooling. Im sure you can fit a 120x15mm fan on top of your cooler and still fit in the case for even better performance.
I was thinking about going for an ITX build with the 5800X3D, but after this I'm seriously considering going for the 7800X3D. That of course would imply a massive budget increase.
It would....but I really wouldn't recommend buying a brand new AM4 rig right now unless going used. The 5800X3D is very much a great drop in upgrade rather than a "hey let's build a new system" chip.
You should go for the 7600 it has around the same performance tham the 5800x3d (including multi core workload) with the newer and future proof platform benefits
Great to see more love and attention to the ITX community! Kind of expected undervolting aswell, especially in an ITX focussed video. Great work nonetheless!
I love this review comparing the CPU in a reasonable rig. I’m running something almost identical, and this told me to stick with my 7700x. I’ll drop in a nice 8800X3D or 9800X3D in the next few years.
It doesn’t really matter what you put in it, by then Intel would have something better and back and forwards mate. AMD or Intel don’t really care, only about money 😂
Thank you so much. I am looking to upgrade my ITX build and will be using a similar sized cooler so this answered all my questions beautifully. Thanks for thinking out of the box and providing such a useful review. This is why I love you guys!
Hey, guys I wanted to give you guys some acknowledgement for absolutely killing it with these ITX tests! It's almost as if you cater to the SFF community needs. Great work
I try to imagine the player who has RTX 4080 GPU with Ryzen 7 processor and playing non esport games like Doom, God of War in 1080p... believable lineup.
Why not? 1080p is still by FAR the most popular resolution. We're talking about almost 65%. Also, as many, many surveys have shown the first thing a lot of users end up doing is lowering their 1440p monitor's resolution to 1080p in order to get higher framerates before messing with in-game settings. It might not be the BEST thing to do, but its being done.
@@HardwareCanucks I can imagine that there are people who downgrading from 1440p to 1080p but hard to believe that these people has rtx 4080 equivalent GPU. Also I believe - unfortunately I see only outdated 1 year old statistics from Steam - that the 1440p is increasing significantly. Therefore I am asking 1440p and 4k benchmark results into your next videos if possible.
this is the day before release but i wish reviewers would use pbo tuner and set it at -30 or something to see if all cores can maintain 5-5.2ghz constant for the 7800x3d plus an undervoltage. This would most likely boost the 1% lows and fps overall and add to its efficiency. This would make it a true beast of a cpu.
@@phero6933 Good but it may be worth testing in OCCT to ensure it's stable. I found issues with sustained AVX2 and had to dial it back a bit on some cores (either outright errors, or corrected cache reported by WHEA - you have to go into Event Viewer details and divide the processor ID by two to find the physical core for those).
Este ryzen 7 7800X3D es la ostia, un amigo se lo compro para solo jugar y le puso un disipador por aire de *aerocool de 110w* , pues aquí en el sur de México las temperaturas están que te mueres de golpe de calor , pero aunque el disipador este casi a tope el ryzen 7 7800X3D consume 37w~59w jugando con temperaturas entre 68°C~79°C , con temperatura ambiente de 38°C
adjusting pbo2 limits is highly recommended regardless of which zen4 chip you have. when I had my 7700x I got it down to 65w in game and about 85w under load while retaining stock perf. I now have a 7800x3d and was able to get that down to 70w all core load and 45-50w in game with pbo2
Running a 7800x3D in an SFF case with a -10 Curve offset and it sustains 4.7GHz across all cores all day with an ID-Cooling IS 55 cooler... and quietly I might add. Paired with a 4080 Super, 1440 has never been so smooth.
Thanks! I was wondering if I'd be able to upgrade to the 7800X3D without needing an AIO, it sounds like the answer is yes! The Noctua you tested or an ID Cooling IS-55 (which fill fit in my case, the Noctua is a little too tall for my Sliger SM580)
I just built a dual monitor/TV (desk/couch pc console) ITX build with an R5 7600 and a 6600m in a fractal ridge using ChimeraOS as the console base, Nobara as the desktop, with a windows ssd just in case. Thing is an absolute beast. Using a Wraith Spire cooler with a copper slug and new fan. Got the CPU super cheap. With Wayland as a compositor the monitor does 240hz 1080p and the TV 4k 60hz simultaneously without issue with freesync ultimate and FSR on triple a titles. The case lives in an ikea entertainment unit under the wall mounted TV. The 7600 runs at like 90 degrees in this setup due to poor airflow, but can confirm the 100 Watt discrete laptop gpu only hits 75. It's quiet and performant. Highly recommend ChimeraOS for console/SteamDeck/Steam Machine use!
why no 1440p benchmarks? i game at 1440, is there any point in an x3d platform? i didn't go to the 5800x3d because at 1440p it didn't seem to make a difference over my 5800x. if the generation makes a difference with new titles and gpu hardware i'd like to know.
I have been using this cpu in a nr200p max and i have never seen it go over 70 C. Definitely worth it, and will be even better for later adopters who'll get it for 100 bucks less.
Cool, cool. I'm putting a 7950X3D in my ITX Meshlicious since it can fit 280MM rads, but the 7800X3D working well with low profile air and small AIOs is great.
@@wilazn correct but looking at benchmarks sam works better with all amd than regular rebar nvidia/intel, and im pretty sure rn nvidia is having a problem with rebar since in some games it lowers performance by a lot
I wasn't super interested in the 7800x3d until you showed off how much cooler it runs than the 5800x3d. That's a massive improvement. Doesn't justify the leap for me rn, but maybe further down the line. My 5800x3d throttles when stress testing even under a Tr PA120. It definitely has issues getting the heat out. Looks like they seriously improved the heat dissipation.
I don't think they held back the clock rate just to protect the higher end chips. AMD explained that 3D stacking causes more heat and the lower tile has to send it's heat through the upper tile, which exasperates the heat even more. As a result, they have to clock the cores lower to avoid runaway thermals. This is also why the 7950x3d only has 3d stacking on one chip and clocks it lower, while the other chip has no 3d stacking and is clocked higher. There are advantages and disadvantages to any method.
That was part of the answer when it came to the 7950X3D but the situation isn't exasperated here in any way since we aren't talking about the all-core base clocks. Yes, increasing the high core count usage boost tables would and could cause runaway thermals, especially on a 16 core chip. The low-usage boost tables on the 7950X3D weren't changed which is why its gaming performance was very good. On the other hand, on the 7800X3D, the Max Boost Clock AND low usage boost tables were lowered along right alongside its all core load Base Clock. In effect, that lowers gaming performance. There's absolutely, positively no reason for that since this chip, when gaming, isn't anywhere close to having thermal issues even with low end cooling solutions. I'm sticking to the forced segmentation angle.
@@HardwareCanucks Lowering cpu performance just to meet certain price segments have been done before and is common practice but who knows, maybe this will leave room to make a 7800x4D or something. If they had raised the low usage boost table, you can bet they would have raised the price. As it is, even without it being raised, it is nice to have a lower thermals option especially for sff builds.
I am really surprised by how low of a wattage this CPU gets, given its TDP. 60 in gaming workloads. Up to 90 for 100%? That's nuts (in a good way). I got my first ever air cooler in a custom pc build (used AIOs exclusively before. I got the dark rock elite now.). Under the most demanding workloads for gaming, my 7800X3D is only hitting ~140 degrees, or 60C according to google. My ASUS 7800XT doesn't even turn its fans on until 131 degrees, or 55C according to google. It maxes out around the same as the CPU even under 100% GPU workload. I usually go all-AMD, and so I was expecting a heat making monolith. Instead I have the coolest PC I've ever owned. All my editing and rendering has been offloaded to my old 3700X so I haven't seen a 100% CPU workload yet, but I also have never heard my fans ramp up; so that seems like a good thing lol.
I currently have a 13700K, and a 4080 fe. I was seriously contemplating picking this CPU up for it's efficiency, but given the performance with a 4080 and hoe much effort I've tried to tune the 13700K I think im good.
R7 5800X3D is still a masterpiece. These 7series AMD processors failed to impress most of the Gaming Community to be honest in terms of power consumption, temp, performance. AMD 5th series Rock's 🎉.
I’m amazed that the 7800x3D performs that well given the small form factor case and the cooler. One can only hope that AMD continues making powerful CPUs that are similarly thermal/power efficient.
I know this is a year old, but I decided to go a B650/7800X3d build, over waiting for the 800 series motherboards and the 9800X3D. It hasn't been built as of yet, still waiting for all the parts to get here. Given how badly the 9600x and 9700x have been received, I decided to go this platform at its end... I'm shocked that you've got such great performance out of it and it runs cooler and way more efficient than the 5800X3D? I knew about the efficiency, but the in game temps being so much better than the 5800X3D? From what I've seen so far, the 7800X3D gets very toasty and a lot of people have set the PBO2 curve to a negative multiplier to -30 (if they are lucky enough), limit the Max temp to 80 or 85 degrees, just to keep it under check and AIO's or a very beefy air cooler were essential? I was starting to think I made a grave mistake. This gives me hope. Interested in testing it stock and not even try undervolting it and see how it goes.
Have you tried lowering the PPT limit to see how much the performance loss scales? It would be hilarious and amazing to see it gaming on a passive cooler.
I hope one day we can see heavy open world mmorpg(world of warcraft, final fantasy and etc) and heavy sim games(stellaris, civ6, hoi4, total war end of turn times ,football manager and etc) tested as well.. those type of games also have a huge amount of player base especially the mmorpgs like world of warcraft have like 1-2mil online daily for example and all of the mentioned games benefit greatly from 3dvcache. Open World Online games with a ton of people literally everywhere you go can show greatle the benefits of 3dvcache and how much it can help with 1% lows in these scenarios. Also open world mmo rpgs are not a CyberPunk type of game which you can finish for 3 weeks and never play again. Games like this are being played for 10-15years easily on and off or continuesly. P.S. Excuse my not so great english and yes I know its not easy to test online open world mmos because there are a ton of variables, but I'm sure it can be done and it will be very much appreciated by a ton of people and not even counting the sim games as well.
@@HardwareCanucks Shouldn't the equivalent hardware show at least similar results? If an independent review goes in with an intent I'm kinda getting the vibe that there is a bias in there....
The Ryzen 7 7800X3D is the both the most performative and efficient gaming CPU, period. I don't see with using it with an ITX motherboard would change that.
I imagine this will be even a bad value when you consider the R7 7700. Considering it can nearly match the 7700X with even smaller power draw it would definitely put the 7800X3D in a very bad spot. Definitely something worth considering.
This is the first vid I've seen where the 5800X3D beats it's successor in some titles... I wonder if this is still the case under those specific conditions...
Meh, I'll keep the 5800X3D with the 4080. I primarily game at 4K but do use my 1440p 240hz monitor now and again..I'd imagine 1440p wouldn't be a big difference For 1440p the difference was massive going from the 5800x to 5800X3D
I recently went with the 13600K since there's no enticing ITX AM5 motherboards. I ended up going with the ASRock Z790 PG-ITX and there's no AM5 board that compares to the features it offers. It really sucks having my CPU choice narrowed down because of a niche motherboard market.
I'm surprised you didn't go with the Scythe Big Shuriken 3 Rev.B cooler. According to Scythe, it is compatible with the AM5 socket even though part pickers show them as incompatible. Then again, PC Part Picker says the Asus ROG STRIX X670E-I is incompatible with the 7800X3D, but obviously that is not accurate since you used it here.
OK, I love/hate this review. OTOH I like spotting that the 7800x3D power profile puts it in the 65W class NOT the 120W TDP band, 1 CCD instead of 2. Yet I find the 5800x3D power & performance not matching my recent experience with the February 23 AGESA update, which gives 3.6GHz base/4.55GHz boost which happens on all core. That's +200MHz & +50MHz above sticker claim, yet the boost is reached all core under load, with temps staying under 70C. I even gained a 3D Mark 55C achievement on the Timespy CPU test, after running it first thing on a winter morning. The 5800x3D is rarely pulling 88W in-game or benchmarks, but I score high on the comparative PC/3D Mark. I just don't believe the numbers shown for 5800x3D are current, nor the "single CCD Zen are hard to cool" meme, it's bollox!! How can
Hey can you post the build for this test? I want to know what case you're using. Going to buy this CPU and I want to use a 7900xtx for it. This computer will be in the living room
Have you looked into hardware monitor, while testing the 7800x3d? For some reason I keep getting max cpu clocks of 6.5Ghz, in the app, I guess its a bug Idk. If i restart etc I end up getting them again after a while. Must be a error or my 7800x3d is magically spiking intermediately to 6.5ghz..
I’m looking to build my first ever computer over the course of id say a month. The rig is primarily for gaming. Budget for the build is around 1500 excluding a new monitor, mnk, and speakers. The build is as follows: Ryzen 7 5800X3D $326 Cooler Master Hyper 212 (unsure on fans) $50 Radeon RX 6800 XT $540 Mag X570s tomahawk (overkill, but I like the features and I don’t want to research anymore into MoBos. more money, more better. As well as I know it is compatible with the CPU. Bluetooth, wifi, all the ports) $230 1TB 970 Evo Plus SSD $70 2x8 GB DDR4-3600 CL 16 (RGB, overpaying for aesthetics. Thinking of non RGB since the case is rgb) $85 Deepcool CG560 mid $94 Now comes the part I really am struggling with. PSU. Should I go to a 800 watt unit or what? Estimated wattage for this build is 509. I have heard and read that you want your psu to be 1.5x the wattage. I doubt I will overclock anything as this build is more than enough to suit my wants. Total cost for the build minus the psu is around $1400, loose budget of $1500. I am pretty hard stuck on the CPU for the performance to price. I like the GPU from the benchmarks I’ve watched with the same CPU but not completely sold on it. Meaning if I can upgrade my GPU while budgeting on ram, mobo, etc I’m ok with. Any advice, tips, forewarnings are appreciated.
Could you checkout and review the Thermalright Silver Soul 135. It's a dual tower cpu cooler at only 135mm in height designed for sff cases. It seems like the best air cooler for the new Dan C4 and the upcoming Ncase M1 Evo. There's even a black and white edition!
Let me guess, you ran the 7800X3D on the same system and OS that you previously had run the 7950X3D on. If that is so, then well done, you just played yourself, and you can go back and do all your testing with the 7800X3D again, only this time with a clean OS installation.
Absolutely not. We never, ever reuse the same Windows install. Every single CPU gets a fresh install since HWC started benchmarking over 15 years ago. I thought that was a given though and all sites / channels used fresh installs. Guess I was wrong....
You mean Mike at Techpowerup right? Because he raised the red flag even before the 7950X3D launched AND just to be clear, the scheduler has a heck of a lot less impact here because of the single CCD nature of the 7800X3D.
@@HardwareCanucks I am trying to make sense of your results. If you know anyone at the Ryzen Development team, you might want to ask about a guide some of them are using to configure Ryzen from 3rd Gen onwards. I am the person who wrote the guide. As a matter of interest, did you have PBO enabled or disabled during your testing? I would disable PBO if you are using an mITX system, because PBO bungs in more voltage and raises the temps. Which would have a negative result on the clockspeeds.
Can you tell me about db noise levels under gaming load please? I am considering using this cooler and CPU in a Meshlicious case - that or the NH-L12S cooler (any preference?) but am concerned about the noise. Thanks!
Could we bring the clock speed back up with software in a future update or is that something from factory that restricts it away from 79xx3D functionality?
The ending sums it up. AMD are doing amazing stuff, so many things right. But then they tend to screw things up and drops the ball on the finnish line, and this is not the first time! Why? Incompetence? Cater too much for shareholders greed? I don't know and I will keep my 5800X3D anyhow since all I do on it is 4K gaming on it :)
Is the CM Masterliquid ML240L good enough to cool the AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D 8-Core? First time getting a liquid cooler so would this be a reliable option? I’m concerned about leaks and the frequent maintenance.
Have you installed Windows a new? Because if you use your 7950x3d install it bork the results and performance of the 7800x3d even if you uninstall all the crap from the previous cpu. Because your score are kinda off from other reviewers
Just to be clear: we always (for the last 15 years) have bare metal installs of Windows deployed for every CPU we test. It was a given from day one, for GPUs as well. When AMD clearly stated in their materials we needed to have a fresh Windows install for the 7800X3D after benchmarking the 7950X3D, mostly due to scheduler changes, the first thought was "duh". But anyways, there it is. :)
Still that is some strange behaviour of the OS. Got to wonder where the lingering core parking comes from. It's not just the drivers.
I have this Natx case and L12s ghost cooler also but use a full sized atx motherboard in it. I only use two slots of my memory in my rig and since the first slot is empty i was able to bend my cooler 10-11mm and fit a full sized 120mmx25mm fan on top. Amazing cooling. Im sure you can fit a 120x15mm fan on top of your cooler and still fit in the case for even better performance.
Hm, Igor shows a power consumption of 40W even for 720p gaming. Anandtech also shows 40W for 1080p gaming, although only for one game (F1 2022).
I was thinking about going for an ITX build with the 5800X3D, but after this I'm seriously considering going for the 7800X3D. That of course would imply a massive budget increase.
It would....but I really wouldn't recommend buying a brand new AM4 rig right now unless going used. The 5800X3D is very much a great drop in upgrade rather than a "hey let's build a new system" chip.
@@HardwareCanucks thanks for the advice 🤘🤘🤘
You should go for the 7600 it has around the same performance tham the 5800x3d (including multi core workload) with the newer and future proof platform benefits
Just get 7900
It should be cheaper, it is cooler, and you get 90-95% of 7800x3d performance
@@HardwareCanucks what about Asus ROG Strix X570i + 5700X? Upgrade to 7800X3D + itx Mobo, or stay on AM4?
Some love to the ITX lovers ❤
Great to see more love and attention to the ITX community! Kind of expected undervolting aswell, especially in an ITX focussed video. Great work nonetheless!
Well that's the thing. Undervolting isn't needed at all.
Hmmm, that case looks really familiar ;) Thank you a lot for including it in the test Mike!
can you tell me the name of the case because i'm interested
@@whatusername np, it is SFFtime N-ATX V2 :)
I love this review comparing the CPU in a reasonable rig. I’m running something almost identical, and this told me to stick with my 7700x. I’ll drop in a nice 8800X3D or 9800X3D in the next few years.
Thanks for the validation. :)
So you're running a 7700x in mini ITX with low profile cooler? What settings you using to keep it cool?
@@NmsOnetk0 I think the 7700x will stay at 95 degrees no matter what cooler you put because of how it's designed.
It doesn’t really matter what you put in it, by then Intel would have something better and back and forwards mate. AMD or Intel don’t really care, only about money 😂
back at it again with the itx appreciation!
Thanks! I really wanna try different things instead of staying cookie cutter.
Thank you so much. I am looking to upgrade my ITX build and will be using a similar sized cooler so this answered all my questions beautifully. Thanks for thinking out of the box and providing such a useful review. This is why I love you guys!
Cheers, just the review I was looking for! Guess for 1440p gaming use my 5800x (non-3d) will serve me plenty for more years to come :)
Hey, guys I wanted to give you guys some acknowledgement for absolutely killing it with these ITX tests! It's almost as if you cater to the SFF community needs. Great work
I try to imagine the player who has RTX 4080 GPU with Ryzen 7 processor and playing non esport games like Doom, God of War in 1080p... believable lineup.
Why not? 1080p is still by FAR the most popular resolution. We're talking about almost 65%. Also, as many, many surveys have shown the first thing a lot of users end up doing is lowering their 1440p monitor's resolution to 1080p in order to get higher framerates before messing with in-game settings. It might not be the BEST thing to do, but its being done.
@@HardwareCanucks I can imagine that there are people who downgrading from 1440p to 1080p but hard to believe that these people has rtx 4080 equivalent GPU. Also I believe - unfortunately I see only outdated 1 year old statistics from Steam - that the 1440p is increasing significantly.
Therefore I am asking 1440p and 4k benchmark results into your next videos if possible.
I'll be popping one into my COOLERMASTER NRP200 MAX this weekend with my 7900XTX
I appreciate the ITX focus!!!! Thank you guys!
the power consumption of the 7800X3D is quite insane cause it can run on an A620 motherboard which are dirt cheap
ok but 5800X3D is better
@GoDMod the benchmarks literally showed it isn't lol, even the 7600x beats the 5800x3d 💀
@@CzaXu ok but you're lying.
I bet this CPU will actually age like fine wine, just as the 5800X3D does. Just as the 16GB RDNA2 variants do on the GPU side of things.
this is the day before release but i wish reviewers would use pbo tuner and set it at -30 or something to see if all cores can maintain 5-5.2ghz constant for the 7800x3d plus an undervoltage. This would most likely boost the 1% lows and fps overall and add to its efficiency. This would make it a true beast of a cpu.
Not a reviewer, but I have my 7800x3D at an all core -30 offset and in an all core r23 run it sustains 5ghz. I'm scoring 18800-18900 consistently.
@@phero6933 Good but it may be worth testing in OCCT to ensure it's stable. I found issues with sustained AVX2 and had to dial it back a bit on some cores (either outright errors, or corrected cache reported by WHEA - you have to go into Event Viewer details and divide the processor ID by two to find the physical core for those).
Este ryzen 7 7800X3D es la ostia, un amigo se lo compro para solo jugar y le puso un disipador por aire de *aerocool de 110w* , pues aquí en el sur de México las temperaturas están que te mueres de golpe de calor , pero aunque el disipador este casi a tope el ryzen 7 7800X3D consume 37w~59w jugando con temperaturas entre 68°C~79°C , con temperatura ambiente de 38°C
Love the real world approach and appreciate the dive right into thermals. 🙏
adjusting pbo2 limits is highly recommended regardless of which zen4 chip you have. when I had my 7700x I got it down to 65w in game and about 85w under load while retaining stock perf. I now have a 7800x3d and was able to get that down to 70w all core load and 45-50w in game with pbo2
The structure of this review is really confusing, I feel like the script did not flow quite well and it jumped around a bit
Perfect for a620m
Hopefully that combo goes for $500 by BlackFriday
Running a 7800x3D in an SFF case with a -10 Curve offset and it sustains 4.7GHz across all cores all day with an ID-Cooling IS 55 cooler... and quietly I might add. Paired with a 4080 Super, 1440 has never been so smooth.
Yes! Finally a review that relates to MY setup! Please do more of these in the future. Now I gotta find if you guys did one for 13900k. Thank you!
Thanks! I was wondering if I'd be able to upgrade to the 7800X3D without needing an AIO, it sounds like the answer is yes! The Noctua you tested or an ID Cooling IS-55 (which fill fit in my case, the Noctua is a little too tall for my Sliger SM580)
I just built a dual monitor/TV (desk/couch pc console) ITX build with an R5 7600 and a 6600m in a fractal ridge using ChimeraOS as the console base, Nobara as the desktop, with a windows ssd just in case. Thing is an absolute beast. Using a Wraith Spire cooler with a copper slug and new fan. Got the CPU super cheap. With Wayland as a compositor the monitor does 240hz 1080p and the TV 4k 60hz simultaneously without issue with freesync ultimate and FSR on triple a titles. The case lives in an ikea entertainment unit under the wall mounted TV. The 7600 runs at like 90 degrees in this setup due to poor airflow, but can confirm the 100 Watt discrete laptop gpu only hits 75. It's quiet and performant. Highly recommend ChimeraOS for console/SteamDeck/Steam Machine use!
The 3D chips are really good for Sim games and VR.
why no 1440p benchmarks? i game at 1440, is there any point in an x3d platform? i didn't go to the 5800x3d because at 1440p it didn't seem to make a difference over my 5800x. if the generation makes a difference with new titles and gpu hardware i'd like to know.
I wish you included the 13700k into the mix
Pretty crazy to be able to pick up this chip at $360 only 7 months after this video
Only thing missing is a budget ITX board that isn't over-engineered for the 7950x.
Yeah.....those are MIA these days...
So glad you mention this for itx users. Thank you!
I have been using this cpu in a nr200p max and i have never seen it go over 70 C. Definitely worth it, and will be even better for later adopters who'll get it for 100 bucks less.
Definitely a no brainer, it's simply amazing in general and price/perf as well.
Cool, cool. I'm putting a 7950X3D in my ITX Meshlicious since it can fit 280MM rads, but the 7800X3D working well with low profile air and small AIOs is great.
Glad to finally see some processor that run somewhat cool!
Thanks for beign so passionate for mini itx love your videos
I'd certainly put a 7900XTX with this chip to get the most out of it, plus the AMD Ecosystem advantages like SAM and other things.
SAM'S isn't amd exclusive like everyone thinks. That's just their advertising to uninformed people.
@@wilazn correct but looking at benchmarks sam works better with all amd than regular rebar nvidia/intel, and im pretty sure rn nvidia is having a problem with rebar since in some games it lowers performance by a lot
I wasn't super interested in the 7800x3d until you showed off how much cooler it runs than the 5800x3d. That's a massive improvement. Doesn't justify the leap for me rn, but maybe further down the line.
My 5800x3d throttles when stress testing even under a Tr PA120. It definitely has issues getting the heat out. Looks like they seriously improved the heat dissipation.
I don't think they held back the clock rate just to protect the higher end chips. AMD explained that 3D stacking causes more heat and the lower tile has to send it's heat through the upper tile, which exasperates the heat even more. As a result, they have to clock the cores lower to avoid runaway thermals. This is also why the 7950x3d only has 3d stacking on one chip and clocks it lower, while the other chip has no 3d stacking and is clocked higher. There are advantages and disadvantages to any method.
That was part of the answer when it came to the 7950X3D but the situation isn't exasperated here in any way since we aren't talking about the all-core base clocks. Yes, increasing the high core count usage boost tables would and could cause runaway thermals, especially on a 16 core chip. The low-usage boost tables on the 7950X3D weren't changed which is why its gaming performance was very good. On the other hand, on the 7800X3D, the Max Boost Clock AND low usage boost tables were lowered along right alongside its all core load Base Clock. In effect, that lowers gaming performance. There's absolutely, positively no reason for that since this chip, when gaming, isn't anywhere close to having thermal issues even with low end cooling solutions. I'm sticking to the forced segmentation angle.
@@HardwareCanucks Lowering cpu performance just to meet certain price segments have been done before and is common practice but who knows, maybe this will leave room to make a 7800x4D or something. If they had raised the low usage boost table, you can bet they would have raised the price. As it is, even without it being raised, it is nice to have a lower thermals option especially for sff builds.
I am really surprised by how low of a wattage this CPU gets, given its TDP. 60 in gaming workloads. Up to 90 for 100%? That's nuts (in a good way). I got my first ever air cooler in a custom pc build (used AIOs exclusively before. I got the dark rock elite now.). Under the most demanding workloads for gaming, my 7800X3D is only hitting ~140 degrees, or 60C according to google. My ASUS 7800XT doesn't even turn its fans on until 131 degrees, or 55C according to google. It maxes out around the same as the CPU even under 100% GPU workload. I usually go all-AMD, and so I was expecting a heat making monolith. Instead I have the coolest PC I've ever owned. All my editing and rendering has been offloaded to my old 3700X so I haven't seen a 100% CPU workload yet, but I also have never heard my fans ramp up; so that seems like a good thing lol.
I currently have a 13700K, and a 4080 fe. I was seriously contemplating picking this CPU up for it's efficiency, but given the performance with a 4080 and hoe much effort I've tried to tune the 13700K I think im good.
If your into flight sims, then this is the CPU for you.
R7 5800X3D is still a masterpiece. These 7series AMD processors failed to impress most of the Gaming Community to be honest in terms of power consumption, temp, performance. AMD 5th series Rock's 🎉.
It really was and still is. Its literally perfection.
I’m amazed that the 7800x3D performs that well given the small form factor case and the cooler. One can only hope that AMD continues making powerful CPUs that are similarly thermal/power efficient.
I know this is a year old, but I decided to go a B650/7800X3d build, over waiting for the 800 series motherboards and the 9800X3D. It hasn't been built as of yet, still waiting for all the parts to get here. Given how badly the 9600x and 9700x have been received, I decided to go this platform at its end... I'm shocked that you've got such great performance out of it and it runs cooler and way more efficient than the 5800X3D? I knew about the efficiency, but the in game temps being so much better than the 5800X3D? From what I've seen so far, the 7800X3D gets very toasty and a lot of people have set the PBO2 curve to a negative multiplier to -30 (if they are lucky enough), limit the Max temp to 80 or 85 degrees, just to keep it under check and AIO's or a very beefy air cooler were essential? I was starting to think I made a grave mistake. This gives me hope. Interested in testing it stock and not even try undervolting it and see how it goes.
Have you tried lowering the PPT limit to see how much the performance loss scales? It would be hilarious and amazing to see it gaming on a passive cooler.
my 5800x3d with pbo and little undervolt (0.1) goes under 70C (dark rock pro 4) and around 85w, while keepeing stock clocks
Great review
Nice video. I guess people are still considering the 5800x 3d.
I hope one day we can see heavy open world mmorpg(world of warcraft, final fantasy and etc) and heavy sim games(stellaris, civ6, hoi4, total war end of turn times ,football manager and etc) tested as well.. those type of games also have a huge amount of player base especially the mmorpgs like world of warcraft have like 1-2mil online daily for example and all of the mentioned games benefit greatly from 3dvcache.
Open World Online games with a ton of people literally everywhere you go can show greatle the benefits of 3dvcache and how much it can help with 1% lows in these scenarios. Also open world mmo rpgs are not a CyberPunk type of game which you can finish for 3 weeks and never play again. Games like this are being played for 10-15years easily on and off or continuesly.
P.S. Excuse my not so great english and yes I know its not easy to test online open world mmos because there are a ton of variables, but I'm sure it can be done and it will be very much appreciated by a ton of people and not even counting the sim games as well.
5800X3D is goated
Dis is probably d best candidate for AMD to build an APU + RDNA 4 for the next generation of gaming consoles ( PS6 + xbox ) in 4 years time
Your fps differs quite alot from 90% of other reviewers
Good. That's the intent. To show how this would actually perform for 90%+ of the people out there....so NOT in a perfect scenario with an RTX 4090.
@@HardwareCanucks Shouldn't the equivalent hardware show at least similar results? If an independent review goes in with an intent I'm kinda getting the vibe that there is a bias in there....
Overclocking this will be very, very interesting
Not really. AMD very strictly caps overclocking on their X3D chips.
Price wise wouldn't it be better to compare it to the 13700k instead of 13600k?
Yeah I'm confused by that choice.
"Hmm should I compare to the cpu that's 50 dollars cheaper, or the cpu that's 150 dollars cheaper?"
Thanks Mike!
The Ryzen 7 7800X3D is the both the most performative and efficient gaming CPU, period. I don't see with using it with an ITX motherboard would change that.
I imagine this will be even a bad value when you consider the R7 7700. Considering it can nearly match the 7700X with even smaller power draw it would definitely put the 7800X3D in a very bad spot. Definitely something worth considering.
Thats it my next upgrade in 1-2 years will be this CPU from R5 5600
Impressive. I’m still keeping my 5800x3d as changing platform is going to hurt my wallet a lot. Motherboards are still very expensive
If you switch out the AK620 fans with, say, Noctua fans, you can probably bump the temps down a bit lower.
Which is completely not needed and a waste of money.
This is the first vid I've seen where the 5800X3D beats it's successor in some titles... I wonder if this is still the case under those specific conditions...
Meh, I'll keep the 5800X3D with the 4080. I primarily game at 4K but do use my 1440p 240hz monitor now and again..I'd imagine 1440p wouldn't be a big difference
For 1440p the difference was massive going from the 5800x to 5800X3D
Can't wait to mak a Fanteks Torrent Nano build.
I recently went with the 13600K since there's no enticing ITX AM5 motherboards. I ended up going with the ASRock Z790 PG-ITX and there's no AM5 board that compares to the features it offers. It really sucks having my CPU choice narrowed down because of a niche motherboard market.
5800x3d is still a beast! Not worth upgrading from for a long time.
Hmm, I'm looking at 7800x3d reviews as I'm about to upgrade. Yours is the only one I see that has the 7800x3d with bad performance...?
is there a 4090 that will fit in this case?
It fits 3 slot GPUs and 3.5 slot is super tight.
Great cpu, My Arctic Freezer 34 Duo should be able to handle this
Soon as the APUs come out I'm doing a cereal box build lol
I'm surprised you didn't go with the Scythe Big Shuriken 3 Rev.B cooler. According to Scythe, it is compatible with the AM5 socket even though part pickers show them as incompatible.
Then again, PC Part Picker says the Asus ROG STRIX X670E-I is incompatible with the 7800X3D, but obviously that is not accurate since you used it here.
OK, I love/hate this review.
OTOH I like spotting that the 7800x3D power profile puts it in the 65W class NOT the 120W TDP band, 1 CCD instead of 2.
Yet I find the 5800x3D power & performance not matching my recent experience with the February 23 AGESA update, which gives 3.6GHz base/4.55GHz boost which happens on all core. That's +200MHz & +50MHz above sticker claim, yet the boost is reached all core under load, with temps staying under 70C.
I even gained a 3D Mark 55C achievement on the Timespy CPU test, after running it first thing on a winter morning.
The 5800x3D is rarely pulling 88W in-game or benchmarks, but I score high on the comparative PC/3D Mark.
I just don't believe the numbers shown for 5800x3D are current, nor the "single CCD Zen are hard to cool" meme, it's bollox!! How can
King in games is the only one AMD Ryzen 7 7800x3D 💥😀
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That CoD: Modern Warfare result had me going WTF. How is possible for the 5800x3D to win?
Its all about optimizations.
Hey can you post the build for this test? I want to know what case you're using. Going to buy this CPU and I want to use a 7900xtx for it. This computer will be in the living room
ditto same "I want to know what case you're using"
Have you looked into hardware monitor, while testing the 7800x3d? For some reason I keep getting max cpu clocks of 6.5Ghz, in the app, I guess its a bug Idk. If i restart etc I end up getting them again after a while. Must be a error or my 7800x3d is magically spiking intermediately to 6.5ghz..
I’m looking to build my first ever computer over the course of id say a month. The rig is primarily for gaming. Budget for the build is around 1500 excluding a new monitor, mnk, and speakers.
The build is as follows:
Ryzen 7 5800X3D $326
Cooler Master Hyper 212 (unsure on fans) $50
Radeon RX 6800 XT $540
Mag X570s tomahawk (overkill, but I like the features and I don’t want to research anymore into MoBos. more money, more better. As well as I know it is compatible with the CPU. Bluetooth, wifi, all the ports) $230
1TB 970 Evo Plus SSD $70
2x8 GB DDR4-3600 CL 16 (RGB, overpaying for aesthetics. Thinking of non RGB since the case is rgb) $85
Deepcool CG560 mid $94
Now comes the part I really am struggling with. PSU. Should I go to a 800 watt unit or what?
Estimated wattage for this build is 509. I have heard and read that you want your psu to be 1.5x the wattage. I doubt I will overclock anything as this build is more than enough to suit my wants.
Total cost for the build minus the psu is around $1400, loose budget of $1500.
I am pretty hard stuck on the CPU for the performance to price. I like the GPU from the benchmarks I’ve watched with the same CPU but not completely sold on it. Meaning if I can upgrade my GPU while budgeting on ram, mobo, etc I’m ok with.
Any advice, tips, forewarnings are appreciated.
Could you checkout and review the Thermalright Silver Soul 135. It's a dual tower cpu cooler at only 135mm in height designed for sff cases. It seems like the best air cooler for the new Dan C4 and the upcoming Ncase M1 Evo. There's even a black and white edition!
Can you review the Ryzen 7 7700 with the included Wraith Prism cooler?
My country has hundreds of computer parts' shop. None of them have Ryzen 7000 ITX motherboard in stock :(.
Why does no one bench Dota 2, BF2042……
Let me guess, you ran the 7800X3D on the same system and OS that you previously had run the 7950X3D on.
If that is so, then well done, you just played yourself, and you can go back and do all your testing with the 7800X3D again, only this time with a clean OS installation.
To be fair, only Tech-Jesus had noticed so far this flaw with AMDs scheduler so far.
It is lol
Absolutely not. We never, ever reuse the same Windows install. Every single CPU gets a fresh install since HWC started benchmarking over 15 years ago. I thought that was a given though and all sites / channels used fresh installs. Guess I was wrong....
You mean Mike at Techpowerup right? Because he raised the red flag even before the 7950X3D launched AND just to be clear, the scheduler has a heck of a lot less impact here because of the single CCD nature of the 7800X3D.
@@HardwareCanucks I am trying to make sense of your results.
If you know anyone at the Ryzen Development team, you might want to ask about a guide some of them are using to configure Ryzen from 3rd Gen onwards.
I am the person who wrote the guide.
As a matter of interest, did you have PBO enabled or disabled during your testing?
I would disable PBO if you are using an mITX system, because PBO bungs in more voltage and raises the temps. Which would have a negative result on the clockspeeds.
Can you tell me about db noise levels under gaming load please? I am considering using this cooler and CPU in a Meshlicious case - that or the NH-L12S cooler (any preference?) but am concerned about the noise. Thanks!
Could we bring the clock speed back up with software in a future update or is that something from factory that restricts it away from 79xx3D functionality?
efficient gaming but what about idling or browsing youtube?
Amd needs to hurry up and put this in a dragon laptop
The ending sums it up. AMD are doing amazing stuff, so many things right. But then they tend to screw things up and drops the ball on the finnish line, and this is not the first time! Why? Incompetence? Cater too much for shareholders greed? I don't know and I will keep my 5800X3D anyhow since all I do on it is 4K gaming on it :)
what case are you using in the beginning of the video
Got a 7800x3d planning on retuning and getting a 7700x 25% cheaper where I live and minor downgrade in performance in my use case
why there is not 2K and 4k benchmarks??
Is the CM Masterliquid ML240L good enough to cool the
AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D 8-Core? First time getting a liquid cooler so would this be a reliable option? I’m concerned about leaks and the frequent maintenance.
So far the 5800x3d has been God like to me, also don't care about blender times in CPU, GPU is the way to go with blender.
Well now its a hundred quid cheaper its a no brainer.
TDP will never happen when playing games it wasn't made to run cinebench
Can you get A 4.9 Ghz all core Clock with a ID IS 55 ?
The 5800X3D is still a great CPU considering how cheap the entire platform cost is
The 5800X3D is a "was" at this point since finding one after the 2022 fire sales is becoming quite hard.
So the ryzen 7 7800x3d with the 4090 should work on my aerocool mirage 850 gold
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ASRock its AC
Bequiet
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I bought this cpu with trident z5 6400. I see that cpu says it should be lower. will this run?
Have you installed Windows a new? Because if you use your 7950x3d install it bork the results and performance of the 7800x3d even if you uninstall all the crap from the previous cpu. Because your score are kinda off from other reviewers