Why is everybody bashing skinheads on this channel? this shows our real roots, I'm a skinhead and I can promise you I have no prejudice against anybody, not for sex, race, or sexual preference. So how about some unity?
When I was a white skin growing up on Merseyside in the early 70's all we listened to was ska and blue beat. Years later, when I was living in Ladbroke Grove, I turned a load of teenage black kids onto dub reggae. Race means nothing.
im skin im clasick im lisning ska and raga and im sow happy of that when i feel bored im lisning oi! and I start dance with m8s and that is sow cool i have punks friends and we are live in on harmony there is no agresion betwen us and that is sow cool :) OI! from polish punks and skins in Scotland :)
The Skinheads never "stole" the music. It was called Skinhead Reggae because it was the reggae the Skinheads listened to. It was still made by Jamaicans.
Channel 4 on the BBC had a documentry called "25 Years of 2 Tone". You can find the boot-leg DVD's on ebay. Warning, the copy I got was in PAL format, and wouldn't work in NTSC format DVD players
This is true. In fact, I used to roll with a crew that was affiliated with an organization called SHARP: SkinHeads Against Racial Prejudice. There are a lot of strange permutations throughout the universe. Watch the Outer Limits and you will know this.
PT.2 Rock.Blues,Jazz,House,Techno.Dub,Reggae, are the basic foundation of the worlds music today and are all forms of African music no matter what spin people put on it.Alternative,Grunge,Metal,Grime. It's all coming from an African base. If anyone can point out in history where Europeans and the world was going nuts over traditional Chinese and Indian music please help me out. The many African groups lost in the west came together and created something to sustain them as a spiritual force.
Last month, I discovered an interesting 1969 comedy show called "Curry and Chips", which is about a Pakistani immigrant worker in Britain. One thing I found interesting is that it has a British-born Jamaican worker who despises the Pakistani immigrant just as much as the white workers! In other words, it really does come down to culture more than skin colour. Blacks may have been despised for their dark skin, but Asians were despised for both their dark skin and their strong culture.
While I agree about the huge influence of African music, there's a few things I need to correct you on: The sounds of house, techno and grime are derived from Japanese synthesizers and drum machines. Indian music has had a big influence on modern popular music. From the 60s to early 70s, British rock bands like The Beatles and Rolling Stones were heavily inspired by Indian music, which laid the foundations for psychedelic music, and in turn inspired genres like heavy metal and acid house.
I was into the suedehead thing in the early 70's. As I was working in a menswear shop, it was cool to wear some smart clothes after the years of skinhead clobber and it meant you could get into clubs instead of hanging out on the street (skinhead girls were mostly mingers).
omg finally! I am glad this is posted because I am tired of every bonehead neo-nazi calling themselves a skinhead. I could go on forever on the history of the skinhead movement, but all I will say for now is Spirit of 69
In British usage, "Asian" means Southern Asians, i;e. people from India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Afghanistan, etc. In American usage, "Asian" means Eastern Asians, i.e. people from China, Japan, Thailand, Vietnam, etc. Either way, it doesn't really matter. Asia as a whole has cultures quite distinct from "Western culture". In the UK, the majority of Asians were South Asians, so they were targeted by skinheads, but it could have just as easily have been East Asians if they had a similar presence.
Love the end of this "and it was skinheads and punks fighting" oh how times have no changed im a skin my bro is a punk and we are together on the same issues fuck fascism and fuck racism oi oi NO PASARAN!!!
As well as hanging out with Indian, Pakistanie, Mods, Rudies, Bikers, Punks and Trendies at the local youth club. Youth Culture now at least has a 'Right To Reply' via Twitter, Facebook etc Unlike those of us who were teens before the internet.
I live in South Orange County, CA & there are very few african american people who live here, but they ones I see are very successful & just like everyone else. I guess it's different if you are immersed in the bad situation, I have my blinders on though, I don't see this where I live.
...But then again, Asian culture was very popular among hippies and rockstars in the 60s and 70s. Another reason could be that the skinheads disliked the hippies (who were seen as more middle-class), so by extension they probably would have disliked the Asian culture that influenced them. This may be partly why skinheads turned to black culture and reggae music to distinguish themselves from the hippies (who were more into Asian culture and psychedelic/raga rock).
I agree with you. I was trying to point out how some of the early skins who happened to hold racist views were easily persuaded to align themselves with heavy racist groups like the NF. These groups built upon the "hooligan" skin style and image and got mainstream attention in the later 70's thus tarnishing the image of all original skins whether they were racists or not. I often hear people claim that ALL original skins were anti-racist which is over simplifying things.
OOH the Horror of it all !! Why do people have to hate, can't they just be rambunxious indiscrimantely? not violence though with people, just skate & hang out. sigh, hate sucks!
Anyway, I think a big part of why skinheads targetted Asians rather than blacks is because of culture. By the 60s, black culture had more or less become assimilated into mainstream Western culture. On the other hand, Asian culture was very distinct from Western culture, which is still very much the case even today. It came down to Jamaicans being more Westernized and Pakistanis being too culturally Eastern.
From what I've read, many working class people scapegoated South Asians for "stealing jobs" when they couldn't find work. Skinheads(of all races) just happened to be more actively violent about it, easily recognisable(because of the fashion) and attacked in packs.
What does it mean to be a skinhead minus the racism & hatred? I was a punk in the early 80s We skated & caused chaos & destruction where we went, we were into slam dancing to punk bands & drinking. At the same time, there were 'new wavers', who were all about the fashion & eating their pate, you know all foo foo preppy's. In England, it was the Mod's & the Punks. How are Skinheads different? I want to know!
I think those early skins like their mod predessessors had antipathy towards most things outside of their mates clubs and music..even other skins from different areas or supporting different football teams. There is some good stuff in Resistance through Rituals and the Paint House on this.
Im a greaser and I get a bad rep of being a hoodlum or gangster, just like how skinheads get bad reps of being racist. Im not in a gang, im not a hoodlum, but people put in that stereotype cause there society portrays us like that. I love rockabilly, and thats why im a greaser. Original skinheads loved reggae, thats why they were skinheads. But the media puts a broad brush stroke on us and makes all of us look bad
Racism, sexism, homophobia and discrimination against those with physical and learning disabilities. This was what it was like back then, but with every stereotype you have those who challenge it. It was also immensely frustrating as a young skinhead girl who was boycotting South African goods, taking part in a girls drama group raising awareness of contraception.
@PompeySkin1 I agree. Even in the States growing up in the mid 80's you had zines that would have a Skrewdriver record review right next to a Desmond Decker one. You just had to be there I guess. Same way with the "wigger" kids in the city I grew up with. They all lessened to black music but some of them were the most racist people I've ever met.
THANK YOU ! Poxy crap about fighting for your country ruined it ! And the NF and everthing else ! skinhead just use to be estension of mod . They love for black music , the fashion etc
Thankyou. You have proved my point better than I ever could have done. I'm no skinhead - I don't claim to be, I just enjoy winding up thick racists. Ha ha!
its not that the original skinheads were anti racist, some of them were racist, but like someone said in this thread before they listened to reggea and hung out wiv the black kids
Yea seriously, some of us wear it short beceause we started to loose it. I wear mine short because i started loosing my hair when i was 16. But people are quick to judge. Im 6'6 230lbs amd tattooed with a shaved head....and people just asume im a nazi or some bs like that
EXACTLY my friend!!!! retarded is a good word to describe it. I just cannot see the POINT in racism, just because someone is a little bit different than what you are used to, some people feel they have to respond defensively. Indeed we are all human and all we need is love for each other as a race, because then we can all ascend to a higher frequency. The true place of pure feelings... That of love and light and nothing else. Peace and love to bob Marley and everybody...
right on, jim; being proud of who you are doesn't mean you have to put down other people. It's all about RESPECT.
love and espresso,
diane
Why is everybody bashing skinheads on this channel? this shows our real roots, I'm a skinhead and I can promise you I have no prejudice against anybody, not for sex, race, or sexual preference. So how about some unity?
who remembers playing grand theft auto: london edition lol both the songs here were on the game.. brings back good child memories man lol
The first time I read about this my mind was blown
When I was a white skin growing up on Merseyside in the early 70's all we listened to was ska and blue beat. Years later, when I was living in Ladbroke Grove, I turned a load of teenage black kids onto dub reggae. Race means nothing.
im skin im clasick im lisning ska and raga and im sow happy of that when i feel bored im lisning oi! and I start dance with m8s and that is sow cool i have punks friends and we are live in on harmony there is no agresion betwen us and that is sow cool :) OI! from polish punks and skins in Scotland :)
The Skinheads never "stole" the music. It was called Skinhead Reggae because it was the reggae the Skinheads listened to. It was still made by Jamaicans.
Channel 4 on the BBC had a documentry called "25 Years of 2 Tone". You can find the boot-leg DVD's on ebay. Warning, the copy I got was in PAL format, and wouldn't work in NTSC format DVD players
Me are a rastafarey, and me love your bootbo style and music! Go ya way, live long propper and concious
Hey man, when people from nowhere love music who come from people of nowhere, this is a nice thing. Enjoy it.
This is true. In fact, I used to roll with a crew that was affiliated with an organization called SHARP: SkinHeads Against Racial Prejudice. There are a lot of strange permutations throughout the universe. Watch the Outer Limits and you will know this.
the real skinheads...
neither red nor racist only skinhead
greetings from Chile
PT.2 Rock.Blues,Jazz,House,Techno.Dub,Reggae, are the basic foundation of the worlds music today and are all forms of African music no matter what spin people put on it.Alternative,Grunge,Metal,Grime. It's all coming from an African base.
If anyone can point out in history where Europeans and the world was going nuts over traditional Chinese and Indian music please help me out. The many African groups lost in the west came together and created something to sustain them as a spiritual force.
i was listing to symarip right before i started watching this. i thought that i forgot to turn of the skinhead moonstomp when it came up. lol.
The first song is "Rudy a message to you" by Dandy Livingstone
The second song is "Skinhead Moonstomp" by Derrick Morgan
this is from a bbc documentary, "2Tone Britain", if anyone was looking.
I'm in love with the skinhead reggae! oh yeah
@Skinhead1960s Well, this sounds like heaven on earth. Let brotherly love continue.
Thanks for this!!! Clears up so much misconception about the skinhead movement. Irie!!
Last month, I discovered an interesting 1969 comedy show called "Curry and Chips", which is about a Pakistani immigrant worker in Britain. One thing I found interesting is that it has a British-born Jamaican worker who despises the Pakistani immigrant just as much as the white workers!
In other words, it really does come down to culture more than skin colour. Blacks may have been despised for their dark skin, but Asians were despised for both their dark skin and their strong culture.
reggae music is all about one love, it makes me mad when people are discriminating people from the other race
yeah skinhead reggae the real skinhead from jamaica
Thanks a lot, man....
actually the red shoelaces are usually used by RASH, i suppose SHARP also use them as well.
While I agree about the huge influence of African music, there's a few things I need to correct you on:
The sounds of house, techno and grime are derived from Japanese synthesizers and drum machines.
Indian music has had a big influence on modern popular music. From the 60s to early 70s, British rock bands like The Beatles and Rolling Stones were heavily inspired by Indian music, which laid the foundations for psychedelic music, and in turn inspired genres like heavy metal and acid house.
@boobdude9 It wasn't a trend, it was a movement. And it's still around.
i'm with ya'!
nice one Skinhead Reggae
I was into the suedehead thing in the early 70's. As I was working in a menswear shop, it was cool to wear some smart clothes after the years of skinhead clobber and it meant you could get into clubs instead of hanging out on the street (skinhead girls were mostly mingers).
omg finally! I am glad this is posted because I am tired of every bonehead neo-nazi calling themselves a skinhead. I could go on forever on the history of the skinhead movement, but all I will say for now is Spirit of 69
yeah thats the way most people everywhere think!.. and it's a damn shame.. because skinheads are good people..
Nice Video!
In British usage, "Asian" means Southern Asians, i;e. people from India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Afghanistan, etc. In American usage, "Asian" means Eastern Asians, i.e. people from China, Japan, Thailand, Vietnam, etc.
Either way, it doesn't really matter. Asia as a whole has cultures quite distinct from "Western culture". In the UK, the majority of Asians were South Asians, so they were targeted by skinheads, but it could have just as easily have been East Asians if they had a similar presence.
0:58 just shatter people with logic
Love the end of this "and it was skinheads and punks fighting" oh how times have no changed im a skin my bro is a punk and we are together on the same issues fuck fascism and fuck racism oi oi
NO PASARAN!!!
Skinhead till the day im dead.
SHARPs forever, forever SHARPs!!!
very informationial
As well as hanging out with Indian, Pakistanie, Mods, Rudies, Bikers, Punks and Trendies at the local youth club. Youth Culture now at least has a 'Right To Reply' via Twitter, Facebook etc Unlike those of us who were teens before the internet.
I live in South Orange County, CA & there are very few african american people who live here, but they ones I see are very successful & just like everyone else. I guess it's different if you are immersed in the bad situation, I have my blinders on though, I don't see this where I live.
...But then again, Asian culture was very popular among hippies and rockstars in the 60s and 70s. Another reason could be that the skinheads disliked the hippies (who were seen as more middle-class), so by extension they probably would have disliked the Asian culture that influenced them. This may be partly why skinheads turned to black culture and reggae music to distinguish themselves from the hippies (who were more into Asian culture and psychedelic/raga rock).
Where's the whole show i'd love to watch it.
right!! Good answer!! ;-)
@Zeppelin131001 Wow thats some intelligent imput into the debate.
I agree with you. I was trying to point out how some of the early skins who happened to hold racist views were easily persuaded to align themselves with heavy racist groups like the NF. These groups built upon the "hooligan" skin style and image and got mainstream attention in the later 70's thus tarnishing the image of all original skins whether they were racists or not. I often hear people claim that ALL original skins were anti-racist which is over simplifying things.
REMEMBER YOUR ROOTS!
but at the presents most people loss the roots, only aplicates the image and the pose.
salut!
Yes, reggae dirty little secret.
What is the name of this whole film (I would like to see the whole thing)?
Don't agree - nothing that happened in 1969-73 that defined Skinheads now. That is totally down to what happened 1978-81
You are so right. I cant find my old comment but judging from your comment i had it wrong. No prob.
cheers
OOH the Horror of it all !! Why do people have to hate, can't they just be rambunxious indiscrimantely? not violence though with people, just skate & hang out. sigh, hate sucks!
@Skinhead1960s mate uk skin head music came from reggae music fact!
Bring back the Spirit of '69
it's from the two tone story off bbc
Anyway, I think a big part of why skinheads targetted Asians rather than blacks is because of culture. By the 60s, black culture had more or less become assimilated into mainstream Western culture. On the other hand, Asian culture was very distinct from Western culture, which is still very much the case even today. It came down to Jamaicans being more Westernized and Pakistanis being too culturally Eastern.
From what I've read, many working class people scapegoated South Asians for "stealing jobs" when they couldn't find work.
Skinheads(of all races) just happened to be more actively violent about it, easily recognisable(because of the fashion) and attacked in packs.
Please can you send me name of every song from this video please ? its nice ! love reggae
What does it mean to be a skinhead minus the racism & hatred? I was a punk in the early 80s
We skated & caused chaos & destruction where we went, we were into slam dancing to punk bands & drinking. At the same time, there were 'new wavers', who were all about the fashion & eating their pate, you know all foo foo preppy's. In England, it was the Mod's & the Punks. How are Skinheads different? I want to know!
this is really interesting. i love looking back into styles of music and the way the shape society. can anyone tell me what documentary this is from?
I think those early skins like their mod predessessors had antipathy towards most things outside of their mates clubs and music..even other skins from different areas or supporting different football teams. There is some good stuff in Resistance through Rituals and the Paint House on this.
song @ 1:22 ! bless that non racism skinhead spirit!
good vid
ONLY PROPER SKINHEADS ARE AT SCOOTER RALLYS THESE DAYS ,FEW GREY HAIRS IN ME CROP THESE DAYS. lol...
Im a greaser and I get a bad rep of being a hoodlum or gangster, just like how skinheads get bad reps of being racist. Im not in a gang, im not a hoodlum, but people put in that stereotype cause there society portrays us like that. I love rockabilly, and thats why im a greaser. Original skinheads loved reggae, thats why they were skinheads. But the media puts a broad brush stroke on us and makes all of us look bad
@newyorkrovers cool
SHARP SKINS! , REAL SKINS!
Racism, sexism, homophobia and discrimination against those with physical and learning disabilities. This was what it was like back then, but with every stereotype you have those who challenge it. It was also immensely frustrating as a young skinhead girl who was boycotting South African goods, taking part in a girls drama group raising awareness of contraception.
@COBRA16661 why dont you stick a large SHARP logo on your jacket?
@PompeySkin1 I agree. Even in the States growing up in the mid 80's you had zines that would have a Skrewdriver record review right next to a Desmond Decker one. You just had to be there I guess. Same way with the "wigger" kids in the city I grew up with. They all lessened to black music but some of them were the most racist people I've ever met.
THANK YOU ! Poxy crap about fighting for your country ruined it ! And the NF and everthing else ! skinhead just use to be estension of mod . They love for black music , the fashion etc
haha yes of course, the one and only Prince Buster, but to be honest, I like the Specials version better xD
WOOOOOH!
is skinhead moonstomp from Symarip
Other parts to this documentary?
Is there a second part to this?
LOVE to finish it.
this are original skinheads the first ones
You'll find that Skinhead started with white working class kids, with heavy influence from mod and rudeboy dress and Jamacan reggae.
@Zeppelin131001
We judge people for their personality, not their background.
A message to you rudy.
hate should trouble us all
Is their a part 2? Oi!
Oooo yes,for your information first skinheads was black people from Jamaica but later they start listen reggae!
Can someone tell me what the song playing in the background in the beginning is, please?
...did you watch the clip???
Thankyou. You have proved my point better than I ever could have done. I'm no skinhead - I don't claim to be, I just enjoy winding up thick racists. Ha ha!
exactily
It was just a few off 'em
What is the name of this documentry !!! I need it !
Where can I see the rest of this documentary?
its not that the original skinheads were anti racist, some of them were racist, but like someone said in this thread before they listened to reggea and hung out wiv the black kids
Yea seriously, some of us wear it short beceause we started to loose it. I wear mine short because i started loosing my hair when i was 16. But people are quick to judge. Im 6'6 230lbs amd tattooed with a shaved head....and people just asume im a nazi or some bs like that
actually, its by dandy livingstone
You mean a full version of this documentary? If so, then... I don't know.
a message to you rudy by the specials :)
@caribbeandiaspora well said m8 keep the faith black and white unite
got to love these keyboard warriors. lol
where is the rest of the clip?
EXACTLY my friend!!!! retarded is a good word to describe it. I just cannot see the POINT in racism, just because someone is a little bit different than what you are used to, some people feel they have to respond defensively. Indeed we are all human and all we need is love for each other as a race, because then we can all ascend to a higher frequency. The true place of pure feelings... That of love and light and nothing else.
Peace and love to bob Marley and everybody...
So strange how the original movement was related to black culture. Many people will probably never realize this.