You want Watchtower to make changes? Just take away their funding. They don't give a fuck when disfellowshipped ones resort to suicide, but threaten to take cash away and they start bending their stupid rules.
Hi Jake, I’m a therapist from Australia who is also an ex jw. Any followers who are looking for support with their mental health, I would love to offer my services. With my background and understanding, it allows me to relate to my clients and for them to not have to educate or explain the nuances of the religion to their therapist. Thank you for your advocacy work. You continue to help so many people.
Could you give some advice on how to rebuild a support system afterwards? It has been 4 years since I left and I feel isolated and alone. I feel like an alien with nothing in common with people around me. I know I went door to door, talking to strangers for most of my life..but now that I’m not preaching, I feel like I have no idea how to connect with people. Or where to begin to even look for connections
@@Blackgypsyessentials Hi, Yes great question, we can all relate. I could talk to you all day about this topic lol I can give you some generalised tips. Hope some of it can relate to your situation. - Have a look at your current network and see if there are any relationships that you would like to grow and put more time in. Work colleagues, acquaintances, old school friends you could re connect with, worldly family members. For example- ask your favourite co worker for lunch. Or add old school friends on social media and start an online conversation catching up. - Community resources, sports, gyms, dog parks ect Putting yourself out there can be very scary, I know. Just remember, ex JW or not. We are all built to need human connection and there are so many people waiting for a cool “ex cult member” friend in their life 😉
'Removed from the congregation.' 'Disfellowshipped.' Doesn't that constitute the same thing? It's how they are treated that's the important thing. If they're just changing the announcement, they clearly don't get it. Which isn't surprising.
Excommunicated, Disfellowshipped, Disassociated, Removed, Shunned, Marked; it’s all the exact same thing. Watchtower is the master of playing word weasel.. 🤣
If they chance it they will get a problem with all the people who have family and friends who they never spoke to again thinking its a lovely thing to do. The members will leave by mass. And there will be no more money and no more free labour for the slave masters.
You are absolutely right this is called weasle wording or theocratic war strategy in other words lying their organization is built on lies from its beginning
My parents were hardcore JWs, and as a result, I had only one friend my age in the congregation because all the other kids were bad association, according to my parents. Because of the movies they watched, the way their parents behaved, or some gossip my parents might have heard about the kids or their parents. I'm pretty sure my parents will take this new light as a free pass to soft shun all of those people they consider second-class Christians. It will be a shit show.
Ask any random JW how many of their fellow JWs will not qualify to survive Armageddon, and I'll bet good money that most of the time they'll say 75% or more. JWs have judged everyone else on earth as unworthy, so, naturally, the only ones left to condemn are THEMSELVES.
There literally was a talk about not clapping for people getting reinstated. (80's 90's) It was crazy you could see people wanting to clap and having to hold back. When my cousin/schoolmate/pioneer partner/best friend, got back I stood up and clapped. So six months later when I could comment again...
I remember that. The governing body translated our feelings for welcoming a person to congratulations of this person. It's no special feat to be a good Christian and shouldn't be admonished.
This "religion" is actually really fucked up. It angers me so much because my entire family is indoctrinated. It's "apostasy" if you question their religion but it's "researching" if you question other religions
Yes, I am one of those never JW freaks who watches your channel! I’m glad to be a freak and you are a very enjoyable and informative content creator. My main contact with JW was the elderly lady who we didn’t really listen to but offered water when it was hot. But for some reason ex JW and ex Mormon stuff is really interesting to me. It helps me pick apart issues in my own religion that I was taught as well. (Presbyterian)
It dosent matter thay they change the name or if they try to "ligthen up the rule altwordly,it dosent take away the fact thay its ruining families and peoples lives
You are THE BEST Jake ! ! 🤣 Truly your sarcasm and clever wit are unparalleled among the enthusiastic throngs of WT whistle blowers throughout the entire globe.🤣 “And we’re certainly NoT going to change THaT!”
My parents are still JW's. I'm fortunate enough that they still talk to me. But I keep asking them like with all these changes how can you still think you have God 's guidance? They tell me I'm not allowed to ask questions. LOL
Appreciate you bringing this up, I am going to slip this information into the next conversation I have with my 76 y.o. PIMI mother, and let her wonder how I know.
they did it, they used disfellowship because the word shun has bad connotations, and they singlehandedly gave the word disfelloeship the same bad connotations
It is sad how people in that organization are brain-washed by these horrible leaders. Can you even imagine how Jesus would treat a sinner by telling him or her to come back in a year and then get reintated? What ever happened to "go and sin no more?'" Of course that is if the person sinned in the first place. I left 25 years ago because of being tired of never feeling like you have done enough for this organization. It is unrealistic! Many stay because of fear of being killed by God either during Armegeddon or the end of their life. It's called INSANITY!!! My crime was being a part of another Christian church. According to them the whole world is Evil except for them! Is that what Jesus taught? NO! Even during Moses's day a vast mixed crowd joined the Jews in leaving Egypt, but according to them all believers in Christ will be destroyed unless they are a Jehovah's Witness. Think about how ridiculous that is!!!
I remember being told that clapping is wrong to do when someone is reinstated because they shouldn’t have been disfellowshipped in the first place. Not sure if it was in a talk, or an elder said it, but it was said.
Excellent breakdown thank you! 😄🔎 When you lay it out like this... .. these flip-flops and word games will backfire on WT. For one thing, because they prove that GB are reacting to "fear of men $$" and not channeling unchanging direction from any god.
"Scheming to end a marriage" is where a married JW has an affair with a new JW lover. They know their current spouse will divorce them and they figure they'll get disfellowshipped (removed) but in these cases it's viewed as "schemed" and reinstatement can take up to 5 years.
Brilliant! Reminds me of 1984’s ‘newspeak’ remove a word removes the this king process. I pity witnesses (and courts of law) who accept ‘defellowshipping’ and replacing with ‘removing’ as a new and improved practice. In a word bonkers 😢 I think we need the ‘ministry of truth’ to look into this😮
So if you get married, without documentation, you’re still committing fornication according to the group and you are a wicked person to be disfellowshipped and shunned from your fake friends and family members
They’re running around with a label maker. “Now this box says committee of elders instead of judicial committee!” I didn’t realize reality was so flexible to description.
I’m a 36 years disfellowed JW’s and lately coming back to the organization!! Back then they not talked much about the GB’s only the anointed ones or the 144,000!! I had 4 meetings already with the 3elders here in Tokyo, Japan!! I was traumatized for the way they treat me and asking me about why I was disfellowed back 36 years ago cause they cannot find any records of me being a publisher back then in the Philippines!! I’m 59 years old now and trying to comeback In Jehovah’s house but they make me feel I’m still a sinner even I’m trying my very best!! I was treated without kindness and like a leper again after 36 years!!
Hmmm…. I was ‘disfellowshipped” 10 years ago. My family longed for the day I was no longer disfellowshipped. Evidently, I am no longer disfellowshipped. They got their wishes. 😮 It seems reasonable to understand why I do not and have not recognized disfellowshipping as a thing. It’s a figment in the minds of the blind. So there ya go.
Oh boy. Jehovah's new arrangement seems rather disorderly. Everyone who has spent anytime in a kingdom hall knows how clickish the brothers are. Someone in one click might personally mark someone in another click. This might not result in the entire congregation marking a single person. It may in fact result in one click marking another. Whatever happens i do look forward to seeing the result of this ill advised exeriment.😅
In the matter of free-style marking: I can imagine all JWs secretly marking others they don't like in the congregation in which the passive-aggressiveness poisons the whole atmosphere, with some victims not even knowing they are being soft-shunned because they don't really know the shunner. This will lead to secret shunning (not to be mentioned outside the family) and (it's to be hoped) factions within the Hall
@cultytalk Yes, you are right, of course; so I'll just add this: this free-style marking and its concomitant results will allow Watchtower to be disconnected from it all. Watchtower can say it's a conscience matter, nothing to do with us
How will they actually tell someone in a judicial committee that they are being disfellowshipped?.... "we are removing you "? I wonder how many will stumble on that one ?!!
Wait, what? Reinstatement is applauded? My announcer reminded people *not* to clap when I was reinstated. He made it clear that even he *wanted* to clap, but it wasn't the done thing. Maybe if people had clapped, I might not have disassociated myself 2 years later. 😂
Hi there. Ah First comment 😬 Edit: (still watching) They always screw up Paul’s message for pretty much everything. Im working on a video that brings that point up.
Removing you but still will make certain you lose friends, family, possibly employment, and end up depressed. At least you'll be free of the cult, but they have every single 'babtised' member over a barrel with this constant threat.
in Italy a mother law who threatened to tell the elders a sin that her son and daughter law refuse to report to avoid embarassment was stabbed to death
This infuriates me because they are just changing the words but the actions remain the same. Give me a break. What scares me is in the courts will they believe when we tell them the it’s still the same they just changed the words.
Removed from the congregation?!!?!? Strange…. I thought that witnesses refer to it as disfellowshipped/ disfellowshipping because that REALLY gives the sense of what's taking place within this particular religious community. Disfellowshipped literally means no further spiritual fellowship. The disfellowshipped person is not completely shunned (or removed from the congregation) the disfellowshipped person is able to come into the congregation meetings, they're able to attend in the kingdom hall of Jehovahs witnesses. They're able to sit wherever they like they can sing the spiritual songs with the congregation. As far as their family members are concerned, normal family relations continue with the exception of spiritual fellowship and the the door is not closed either. The person who is disfellowshipped can after a period of time ask to be reinstated in the congregation because that's the purpose of the discipline. “Removed from the congregation” sure doesn’t have the same zing that lawyer hyped up for disfellowshipping.
That's OLD light! As of yesterday. 😆 But seriously, agree! Like saying REMOVED from the Congregation, why bother to ATTEND MEETINGS then? You're "REMOVED!"
I was thinking the same thing. 5 back to back watchtowers about repentance, sin etc. Somethings up. It could be a future annual meeting talk . It was almost like they were talking to the courts in those paragraphs. But there's something sus going on here
I had this video playing in the background and got a 20 minute ad for a church and didn’t realize it. It sat there for 20 minutes waiting for Jake to pause the video again😭
@@altworldlyWhich church are true according to the Bible in this world? Because many churches are not true according to this scriptures, Matthew 7:21-23,Roman's 10;1-3,2Corintians 11:12-15,2thimoty 4:3-4,2Peter 2:1-3,1John 4:1.
If the force in Star Wars magic or witchcraft & JW are to stay away from Staw Wars, should they not stay away from their cult as well? They believe the Holy Spirit is a "force". So they believe in witchcraft. Such cherry picking to fit their doctrine.
I once sat in a restaurant to eat with the speaker, and this brother across the table (friend of the visiting speaker) struck up a conversation with me. He was super friendly and animated. He started asking me what kind of shows and movies I like. I mentioned Star Wars and Firefly, and he immediately shot them down and went on about how spiritistic and immoral those are. Never met this mfer in my life. I was so put off, I physically turned in my chair and spoke to literally anyone but him the rest of the time. Found out later he thought I was cute and wanted to get to know me. Never been drier.
What about if someone leaves on their own volition? They weren’t “removed”. Still shunned? Maybe “removed themselves”? Are they “marked”? 🤷♀️. So the onus is on the JW to “decide” to shun them? So many questions …
It’s REBRANDING the company so years from now no new member remembers the terms used so they can DEFEND the org. These changes always remind me of the scenes in the Men in Black movie where they use the device to zap the people minds so they forget what the aliens did to them. 😂😂😂
Applause was spontaneous for a long time, but at some point, after or around the year 2000, the Watchtower Society got in touch with their more sensitive side, and decided that it might make brorhers feel bad if brother "Great Speaker" was always the recipient of a standing ovation, or at least an ovation, and all the brothers "Mediocre" never got one. So the ruling came down that applause would occure after every time all the brothers "Newbie" gave their first talks, and then they would never know that feeling again unless they reached out sufficiebtly to become a ministerial servant, or an elder, and were qualified to give public talks where ovations are basically manditory. Isnt Jehovah wise, brothers?
Does anyone else wonder why a billion dollar organization would jump through these hoops for what I think is only for a few millions dollars of government aid in Sweden? Or is there other money at stake?
These idiots keep stepping on their own feet! “Disobeying inspired council?” I thought they said that they weren’t inspired, or spirit directed, and have made errors in doctrinal understanding??? wtf!
You go to their meetings and the individual members can either say hello or ignore you if you have left the religion.This is how they get people to come back. Once you step foot out of their kingdom hall no one will speak to you.Nothing has changed!
Really? After making some people be df'd for years, after years they are going to make it be just a short time. Amazing how $$$ motivated -"Jehovah" to make changes!
I think this change, whilst not specifically affecting the Norway case, but is most certainly a reaction to it, will over the coming years, further distance the written evidence of disfellowshipping, to something they used to do. Its certainly only for legal reasons that they are doing this, playing with words is a clever way to misinform and manipulate those outside who don't live under their rules.
Judas was the first known apostate. Yet Jesus washed his feet after HE revealed to Judas and the other disciples that Judas would betray HIM. Somehow JW’s missed that entire text.
It's the worst bout of semantics. There is no true change. Disfellowshipping continues, they've just made it a more difficult process but the most important part is the rebranding of it. And how dumb it is to try and remake the word "remove ". If I remove someone or something from my house, they are not inside my house. A "removed" person can still go to the kingdom hall and be at the meetings. It's not the same as being disfellowshiped which implied ostracization but not removal which implies physically being disallowed to enter or be at meetings. It's all on purpose to make it seem like they don't shun or disfellowship like you said in the video. What's that word? Never heard of it! We remove people. No, not like that.
Yeah, now they're dragging it out and forcing people to meet with elders multiple times over months! And if you don't want to??? You'll be pegged as uncooperative and unrepentant!! If anything, this gives elders MORE control over a person over a longer period of time!! Let the insanity continue 😡
I'm going out on a limb here and guessing at "schemed to end a marriage." Maybe unhappily married JW couples who both agree that they don't want to be together and also want to be "free" to remarry in the future if they want perhaps might coordinate adultery? Ya know, and then both be free? But if anyone who was in the org more recently has any insight, I'd love to hear it!
Ok no more DF, but have stopped door to door yet? A class action lawsuit needs to be started by shunned or DF JW witness especially those who got psych therapy afterwards or stayed in psych ward. If instagram users can do class action lawsuit.... why not abused JW?
This is exactly what my mom says. I dont see these apostates going the bible. While disregarding all the information being presented. Jw favorite logical fallacy is a strawman attack. The bible is an extremely historically inaccurate document. A book which is a collection of books which lacks a story, plot or substance. Why anyone would refer to it as a moral reference is absurd.
They are making changes because the country of Norway cut the annually financial benefits...and GB wants that money... How different from jesus teacting.
I don't blame the GB. That is good free money that Norway is giving away. Not only would I use the word marking, I would use any means necessary for that FREE MONEY.
Seems to me they’re just trying to make people even more judgmental than they already are and putting the onus on the individual members to be disfellow shipping so that they can skate by legally
It should be glaringly obvious that these “marking” instructions are going to cause even more divisions than before. Any miserable, gossiping/opinionated JW can now have the power to make the lives of those he or she doesn’t like more uncomfortable!
Didnt they do this years ago ? They changed the announcement to " so and so is no longer a jehovahs witness " ..that didn't achieve anything then . Why do they think this is going to be any differnet
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It seems reasonable to conclude that the organisation is pulling all this out of their arse.
Evidently. It would seem reasonable to conclude. 😂
Jahobo witness are all @$$
@sparkle
It is sh1t for sure.
You want Watchtower to make changes? Just take away their funding. They don't give a fuck when disfellowshipped ones resort to suicide, but threaten to take cash away and they start bending their stupid rules.
Which is essentially being BRAINDEAD!!
Hi Jake,
I’m a therapist from Australia who is also an ex jw. Any followers who are looking for support with their mental health, I would love to offer my services. With my background and understanding, it allows me to relate to my clients and for them to not have to educate or explain the nuances of the religion to their therapist. Thank you for your advocacy work. You continue to help so many people.
I feel the same assignment as I am a lawyer.
Could you give some advice on how to rebuild a support system afterwards? It has been 4 years since I left and I feel isolated and alone. I feel like an alien with nothing in common with people around me. I know I went door to door, talking to strangers for most of my life..but now that I’m not preaching, I feel like I have no idea how to connect with people. Or where to begin to even look for connections
@@Blackgypsyessentials Hi, Yes great question, we can all relate. I could talk to you all day about this topic lol
I can give you some generalised tips. Hope some of it can relate to your situation.
- Have a look at your current network and see if there are any relationships that you would like to grow and put more time in. Work colleagues, acquaintances, old school friends you could re connect with, worldly family members.
For example- ask your favourite co worker for lunch. Or add old school friends on social media and start an online conversation catching up.
- Community resources, sports, gyms, dog parks ect
Putting yourself out there can be very scary, I know. Just remember, ex JW or not. We are all built to need human connection and there are so many people waiting for a cool “ex cult member” friend in their life 😉
@@Blackgypsyessentials Hi, I did respond but can’t see my comment anymore?
@@laurenbyrnes8907 please repost your response.
'Removed from the congregation.' 'Disfellowshipped.' Doesn't that constitute the same thing? It's how they are treated that's the important thing. If they're just changing the announcement, they clearly don't get it. Which isn't surprising.
Yeah, but JWs will get hoodwinked by the semantics (again) and fall for the b.s. hook, line, and sinker.
Excommunicated, Disfellowshipped, Disassociated, Removed, Shunned, Marked; it’s all the exact same thing. Watchtower is the master of playing word weasel.. 🤣
@@ShoNuffSoulBro1 They sure are! 😂👍
If they chance it they will get a problem with all the people who have family and friends who they never spoke to again thinking its a lovely thing to do. The members will leave by mass. And there will be no more money and no more free labour for the slave masters.
You are absolutely right this is called weasle wording or theocratic war strategy in other words lying their organization is built on lies from its beginning
What a crock…. The worst part is many members will absolutely fall for all this !
It's called: BRAINWASHED
they are brainwashed ..we must remember this. This was us once
They could stand up on stage and say this isn’t the truth and most would still stay.
if WT puts a scripture next to it, most members think "it must be true then" so gullible
How many are left after following the gov body medical advice in 2021 (gov body updates 6-10)
My parents were hardcore JWs, and as a result, I had only one friend my age in the congregation because all the other kids were bad association, according to my parents. Because of the movies they watched, the way their parents behaved, or some gossip my parents might have heard about the kids or their parents.
I'm pretty sure my parents will take this new light as a free pass to soft shun all of those people they consider second-class Christians. It will be a shit show.
Omg I can sooooo relate…..
Same @@mochacappuccino4797
Ask any random JW how many of their fellow JWs will not qualify to survive Armageddon, and I'll bet good money that most of the time they'll say 75% or more. JWs have judged everyone else on earth as unworthy, so, naturally, the only ones left to condemn are THEMSELVES.
Same here! I wasn’t even allowed to have friends in the Kingdom Hall, none of them measured up to my parents fanatical expectations.
@@ShoNuffSoulBro1 Mine is different, the brothers looked down on me because my dad was an elder and I didn't take my *spirituality seriously.*
For an organization that claims to be no part of this world, the Watch Tower sure is going into contortions trying to get that worldly money.
Using Satan's lawyers
Your videos have always helped solidify my decision in leaving the organization. Thank you! 🙏🏽
It’s still shunning with a different twist. It’s like selling them a pornography and calling it a love story.
😂😂
Poetic
@@manny2032 : An orgasmic love story 🤣
@@ShoNuffSoulBro1 yeah, Orgasmic over and over again!!!
@@ShoNuffSoulBro1 yeah. Salivating with gustos!!!
They're masters of semantic gymnastics. As a DF'd person for the last 25+ years, I can say I'd rather continue being ignored by family in the cult.
I'm going to Mark the GB for Causing Divisions by writing this article. 😂🎉
There literally was a talk about not clapping for people getting reinstated. (80's 90's) It was crazy you could see people wanting to clap and having to hold back. When my cousin/schoolmate/pioneer partner/best friend, got back I stood up and clapped. So six months later when I could comment again...
I remember that. The governing body translated our feelings for welcoming a person to congratulations of this person. It's no special feat to be a good Christian and shouldn't be admonished.
I remember this too. The wife of one of the elders made it her personal mission to tell everyone that after the meeting if they did clap.
Said not only in talks, but in print. WT takes their loathing of JWs very seriously.
I am a lawyer and your analysis is spot on.
This "religion" is actually really fucked up. It angers me so much because my entire family is indoctrinated. It's "apostasy" if you question their religion but it's "researching" if you question other religions
Yes, I am one of those never JW freaks who watches your channel! I’m glad to be a freak and you are a very enjoyable and informative content creator. My main contact with JW was the elderly lady who we didn’t really listen to but offered water when it was hot. But for some reason ex JW and ex Mormon stuff is really interesting to me. It helps me pick apart issues in my own religion that I was taught as well. (Presbyterian)
Way more entertaining than Netflix!
It dosent matter thay they change the name or if they try to "ligthen up the rule altwordly,it dosent take away the fact thay its ruining families and peoples lives
Their so called changes are meaningless and shallow. They still SHUN no matter what they call it. It's like putting lipstick on a pig.
I judge them. They have been judged. They lose. Pay Court costs now.
You are THE BEST Jake ! ! 🤣 Truly your sarcasm and clever wit are unparalleled among the enthusiastic throngs of WT whistle blowers throughout the entire globe.🤣 “And we’re certainly NoT going to change THaT!”
Its jdub GASLIGHTING!! Thats even worse!!!
My parents are still JW's. I'm fortunate enough that they still talk to me. But I keep asking them like with all these changes how can you still think you have God 's guidance? They tell me I'm not allowed to ask questions. LOL
Appreciate you bringing this up, I am going to slip this information into the next conversation I have with my 76 y.o. PIMI mother, and let her wonder how I know.
That’s what I do, keeps em guessing as to how I know all this stuff 🤣
“aPoStAtE!!!!1!” - your pimi mother, probably
they did it, they used disfellowship because the word shun has bad connotations, and they singlehandedly gave the word disfelloeship the same bad connotations
So...no change, really. Just enough change so that they can LEGALLY say, "We no longer disfellowship people."
It is sad how people in that organization are brain-washed by these horrible leaders. Can you even imagine how Jesus would treat a sinner by telling him or her to come back in a year and then get reintated? What ever happened to "go and sin no more?'" Of course that is if the person sinned in the first place. I left 25 years ago because of being tired of never feeling like you have done enough for this organization. It is unrealistic! Many stay because of fear of being killed by God either during Armegeddon or the end of their life. It's called INSANITY!!! My crime was being a part of another Christian church. According to them the whole world is Evil except for them! Is that what Jesus taught? NO! Even during Moses's day a vast mixed crowd joined the Jews in leaving Egypt, but according to them all believers in Christ will be destroyed unless they are a Jehovah's Witness. Think about how ridiculous that is!!!
I remember being told that clapping is wrong to do when someone is reinstated because they shouldn’t have been disfellowshipped in the first place. Not sure if it was in a talk, or an elder said it, but it was said.
Excellent episode......thank you
I hope for unintended consequences of the new, improved marking arrangement.
Excellent breakdown thank you! 😄🔎
When you lay it out like this...
.. these flip-flops and word games will backfire on WT.
For one thing, because they prove that GB are reacting to "fear of men $$" and not channeling unchanging direction from any god.
I have been shunned by my JW father now for approximately 510 months… just a few months…because of his love
"Scheming to end a marriage" is where a married JW has an affair with a new JW lover. They know their current spouse will divorce them and they figure they'll get disfellowshipped (removed) but in these cases it's viewed as "schemed" and reinstatement can take up to 5 years.
Witnessed that several times
Brilliant! Reminds me of 1984’s ‘newspeak’ remove a word removes the this king process. I pity witnesses (and courts of law) who accept ‘defellowshipping’ and replacing with ‘removing’ as a new and improved practice. In a word bonkers 😢
I think we need the ‘ministry of truth’ to look into this😮
😂 💯
That book was the doorknob Iturned to get out!
@@philip4790 ministry bonsai. T Ruth. Baby Ruth. 😂 Tiny books,
tiny minds. Dis fellow ship is leaving soon. Aghhhhh ha.
So if you get married, without documentation, you’re still committing fornication according to the group and you are a wicked person to be disfellowshipped and shunned from your fake friends and family members
They’re running around with a label maker. “Now this box says committee of elders instead of judicial committee!” I didn’t realize reality was so flexible to description.
Oh, my God, ColAnguadaEarth!!! That was so absolutely HILARIOUSLY "On The Money"!!!! 😂🤣😂🤣
Omg imagine how much this could backfire
The power of one. The power of two. The power of meanyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy!
Anyone else think that the Bible is more Paul than Jesus?
There's no Jesus at all. He never wrote a single word.
Jah Jah Binks Witnesses
May The Force Be With You
I'm afraid they're two steps away from a mass....traditional cult ending 😬
They are going to move to Guyana😢
2big reasons: 1to get government money. 2 to stop members bleeding.
Marking huh.
*Pecking order instensifies*
I’m a 36 years disfellowed JW’s and lately coming back to the organization!! Back then they not talked much about the GB’s only the anointed ones or the 144,000!! I had 4 meetings already with the 3elders here in Tokyo, Japan!! I was traumatized for the way they treat me and asking me about why I was disfellowed back 36 years ago cause they cannot find any records of me being a publisher back then in the Philippines!! I’m 59 years old now and trying to comeback In Jehovah’s house but they make me feel I’m still a sinner even I’m trying my very best!! I was treated without kindness and like a leper again after 36 years!!
Hmmm…. I was ‘disfellowshipped” 10 years ago. My family longed for the day I was no longer disfellowshipped.
Evidently, I am no longer disfellowshipped. They got their wishes. 😮
It seems reasonable to understand why I do not and have not recognized disfellowshipping as a thing. It’s a figment in the minds of the blind.
So there ya go.
Oh boy. Jehovah's new arrangement seems rather disorderly. Everyone who has spent anytime in a kingdom hall knows how clickish the brothers are.
Someone in one click might personally mark someone in another click. This might not result in the entire congregation marking a single person. It may in fact result in one click marking another.
Whatever happens i do look forward to seeing the result of this ill advised exeriment.😅
In the matter of free-style marking: I can imagine all JWs secretly marking others they don't like in the congregation in which the passive-aggressiveness poisons the whole atmosphere, with some victims not even knowing they are being soft-shunned because they don't really know the shunner. This will lead to secret shunning (not to be mentioned outside the family) and (it's to be hoped) factions within the Hall
Um ... yes definitely....but also, this already happens
@@geoffreybunting9837 : Let the Marking wars begin!
@cultytalk Yes, you are right, of course; so I'll just add this: this free-style marking and its concomitant results will allow Watchtower to be disconnected from it all. Watchtower can say it's a conscience matter, nothing to do with us
How will they actually tell someone in a judicial committee that they are being disfellowshipped?.... "we are removing you "? I wonder how many will stumble on that one ?!!
Wait, what? Reinstatement is applauded? My announcer reminded people *not* to clap when I was reinstated. He made it clear that even he *wanted* to clap, but it wasn't the done thing. Maybe if people had clapped, I might not have disassociated myself 2 years later. 😂
Hi there. Ah First comment 😬
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They always screw up Paul’s message for pretty much everything. Im working on a video that brings that point up.
Thank-you so much for pulling apart this magazine so I don't have to! Quality video as always. Cheers
Removing you but still will make certain you lose friends, family, possibly employment, and end up depressed. At least you'll be free of the cult, but they have every single 'babtised' member over a barrel with this constant threat.
As long they are not respecting freedom of religion, for me they are cruel people. Every one of them who is a grown up.
in Italy a mother law who threatened to tell the elders a sin that her son and daughter law refuse to report to avoid embarassment was stabbed to death
@@danielcolla4530 😳😱News link ?
The Murder of Pierina Paganelli on all the italian media@@ShoNuffSoulBro1
This infuriates me because they are just changing the words but the actions remain the same. Give me a break. What scares me is in the courts will they believe when we tell them the it’s still the same they just changed the words.
Removed from the congregation?!!?!?
Strange…. I thought that witnesses refer to it as disfellowshipped/ disfellowshipping because that REALLY gives the sense of what's taking place within this particular religious
community. Disfellowshipped literally means no further spiritual fellowship. The disfellowshipped person is not
completely shunned (or removed from the congregation) the disfellowshipped person is able to come into the congregation meetings, they're able to attend in the kingdom hall of Jehovahs witnesses. They're able to sit wherever they like they can sing
the spiritual songs with the congregation. As far as their family members are concerned, normal family relations continue with the exception of
spiritual fellowship and the the door is not closed either. The person who is disfellowshipped can after a period of time ask to be reinstated in the congregation because that's the purpose of the discipline.
“Removed from the congregation” sure doesn’t have the same zing that lawyer hyped up for disfellowshipping.
That's OLD light! As of yesterday. 😆 But seriously, agree! Like saying REMOVED from the Congregation, why bother to ATTEND MEETINGS then? You're "REMOVED!"
@@rustanddust5524 : Right? Word play, verbal acrobatics 😼
I was thinking the same thing. 5 back to back watchtowers about repentance, sin etc. Somethings up. It could be a future annual meeting talk . It was almost like they were talking to the courts in those paragraphs. But there's something sus going on here
I was 12 when I got locked in.
I had this video playing in the background and got a 20 minute ad for a church and didn’t realize it. It sat there for 20 minutes waiting for Jake to pause the video again😭
OH NO 😂
Love your PFP bro. @kami
4:50 and look how tiny Shmamantha was. She might not have been more than 12 years old, and marked for life as bad association on her publisher's card.
Shmamantha got a raw deal for sure
@@altworldlyWhich church are true according to the Bible in this world? Because many churches are not true according to this scriptures, Matthew 7:21-23,Roman's 10;1-3,2Corintians 11:12-15,2thimoty 4:3-4,2Peter 2:1-3,1John 4:1.
If the force in Star Wars magic or witchcraft & JW are to stay away from Staw Wars, should they not stay away from their cult as well? They believe the Holy Spirit is a "force". So they believe in witchcraft. Such cherry picking to fit their doctrine.
I once sat in a restaurant to eat with the speaker, and this brother across the table (friend of the visiting speaker) struck up a conversation with me. He was super friendly and animated. He started asking me what kind of shows and movies I like. I mentioned Star Wars and Firefly, and he immediately shot them down and went on about how spiritistic and immoral those are. Never met this mfer in my life. I was so put off, I physically turned in my chair and spoke to literally anyone but him the rest of the time. Found out later he thought I was cute and wanted to get to know me.
Never been drier.
@@A_prostate : Seems he was trying to impress you with his superior spirituality 🤣
@@ShoNuffSoulBro1😂😂😂
The “player” had no game obviously! He shot an air ball…
It reminds me of when scientologys fair game policy was supposedly canceled but it really wasn't 🙄
This will backfire SPECTACULARLY.
What about if someone leaves on their own volition? They weren’t “removed”. Still shunned? Maybe “removed themselves”? Are they “marked”? 🤷♀️. So the onus is on the JW to “decide” to shun them? So many questions …
Good point!! I think you’re right, they’ll call “disassociated ones” people who “removed themselves.”
Or they will just assume they are apostate’s. Who in their right mind would remove themselves from gods organization… /s
@@henrygibson2766 Yes, that is definitely possible and how they think.
@@PricklyPear-g3r : That shall be referred to as : Scrubbed ! 😄
It’s REBRANDING the company so years from now no new member remembers the terms used so they can DEFEND the org. These changes always remind me of the scenes in the Men in Black movie where they use the device to zap the people minds so they forget what the aliens did to them. 😂😂😂
You smoked 'em, Jake!
Applause was spontaneous for a long time, but at some point, after or around the year 2000, the Watchtower Society got in touch with their more sensitive side, and decided that it might make brorhers feel bad if brother "Great Speaker" was always the recipient of a standing ovation, or at least an ovation, and all the brothers "Mediocre" never got one.
So the ruling came down that applause would occure after every time all the brothers "Newbie" gave their first talks, and then they would never know that feeling again unless they reached out sufficiebtly to become a ministerial servant, or an elder, and were qualified to give public talks where ovations are basically manditory.
Isnt Jehovah wise, brothers?
I AGREE WITH YOU A GAZZILION PERCENT ABOUT THE MAN ENVENTED WRITTEN BIBLE!!
Those Jahobo Witnesses are a tricky bunch.
Pitch, pace and power gets a g
Great commentary Jake
Does anyone else wonder why a billion dollar organization would jump through these hoops for what I think is only for a few millions dollars of government aid in Sweden? Or is there other money at stake?
Think it sets a president if one country does it others fill follow that's what WT is worried about
I'm remaining a removed person 😂🤣
5:00 Jake is the Evidently Kid, no relation to the Apparently Kid.
As long as there is a closed door policy you have a closed mind as well .
These idiots keep stepping on their own feet! “Disobeying inspired council?” I thought they said that they weren’t inspired, or spirit directed, and have made errors in doctrinal understanding??? wtf!
Man, back in the 70s, 80s, and 90s, those Bethel bros and elders were REALLY into Star Wars
Evidently, what is or is not a conscience matter is sort of a conscience matter.
You go to their meetings and the individual members can either say hello or ignore you if you have left the religion.This is how they get people to come back. Once you step foot out of their kingdom hall no one will speak to you.Nothing has changed!
Really? After making some people be df'd for years, after years they are going to make it be just a short time. Amazing how $$$ motivated -"Jehovah" to make changes!
Amazing money has always helped concentrate the mind a bit better ;-)
Beautifully spoken
Isn't the watchtower from August (2024) the one that it didn't appear anywhere in any language some months ago, but there was the September one?
I think this change, whilst not specifically affecting the Norway case, but is most certainly a reaction to it, will over the coming years, further distance the written evidence of disfellowshipping, to something they used to do. Its certainly only for legal reasons that they are doing this, playing with words is a clever way to misinform and manipulate those outside who don't live under their rules.
Judas was the first known apostate. Yet Jesus washed his feet after HE revealed to Judas and the other disciples that Judas would betray HIM. Somehow JW’s missed that entire text.
what difference does that make? there's so many reasons that doesn't corelate. do we wash each others feet nowadays? 😂
It’s a step in the right direction. They need to get rid of shunning without losing their loyal base of followers. Or they’re dumb.
"Old light" At this rate, a UK Cabbage or Prime Minister is going to last longer than JW "new light" before going out of date!
sneaky comment for the algorithm
It's the worst bout of semantics. There is no true change. Disfellowshipping continues, they've just made it a more difficult process but the most important part is the rebranding of it. And how dumb it is to try and remake the word "remove ".
If I remove someone or something from my house, they are not inside my house. A "removed" person can still go to the kingdom hall and be at the meetings. It's not the same as being disfellowshiped which implied ostracization but not removal which implies physically being disallowed to enter or be at meetings. It's all on purpose to make it seem like they don't shun or disfellowship like you said in the video. What's that word? Never heard of it! We remove people. No, not like that.
Yeah, now they're dragging it out and forcing people to meet with elders multiple times over months! And if you don't want to??? You'll be pegged as uncooperative and unrepentant!! If anything, this gives elders MORE control over a person over a longer period of time!! Let the insanity continue 😡
I'm going out on a limb here and guessing at "schemed to end a marriage." Maybe unhappily married JW couples who both agree that they don't want to be together and also want to be "free" to remarry in the future if they want perhaps might coordinate adultery? Ya know, and then both be free? But if anyone who was in the org more recently has any insight, I'd love to hear it!
Ah, YES. That makes sense!
@@deenadamico2673 Spot on 👍
shmamantha 😭
What goes around comes around, they are just another business corporation that’s all look for IBSA properties, they own all of those housing sales
No more Marking Talks......releases them from defamation lawsuits
Thanks!
Ok no more DF, but have stopped door to door yet? A class action lawsuit needs to be started by shunned or DF JW witness especially those who got psych therapy afterwards or stayed in psych ward. If instagram users can do class action lawsuit.... why not abused JW?
This is exactly what my mom says. I dont see these apostates going the bible. While disregarding all the information being presented. Jw favorite logical fallacy is a strawman attack. The bible is an extremely historically inaccurate document. A book which is a collection of books which lacks a story, plot or substance. Why anyone would refer to it as a moral reference is absurd.
It seems Watchtower is leaning in heavily to its gossip culture with this new marking rule.
The Bible is definitely a reasonable text used by unreasonable unscrupulous people.
They are making changes because the country of Norway cut the annually financial benefits...and GB wants that money...
How different from jesus teacting.
These new rules sound nice.. a house divided cannot stand - the congregations will tear themselves apart from within
I don't blame the GB. That is good free money that Norway is giving away. Not only would I use the word marking, I would use any means necessary for that FREE MONEY.
Seems to me they’re just trying to make people even more judgmental than they already are and putting the onus on the individual members to be disfellow shipping so that they can skate by legally
More rank and file members have the right to know the truth behind the changes in practice and semantics.
Ideas anybody?
It should be glaringly obvious that these “marking” instructions are going to cause even more divisions than before. Any miserable, gossiping/opinionated JW can now have the power to make the lives of those he or she doesn’t like more uncomfortable!
Didnt they do this years ago ? They changed the announcement to " so and so is no longer a jehovahs witness " ..that didn't achieve anything then . Why do they think this is going to be any differnet