I went through at least two full Revelation series teachings through the years, and just figured that it must be so "complex" that I just can't put it together in the bible. Now I know that those teachers were just repeating what others told them, and it didn't make sense to them either. It couldn't have. They believed other men by faith rather than believing the bible for what it says.
It has to be convicting for these pre trib teachers to look at 2 Thessalonians 2:3 and realize they are that man that is deceiving people. That is why they avoid it like a plague. Keep hammering away Pastor McMurtry!
Great message, simple truths do not need complicated explanations and verbal acrobatics to prove. Read the scriptures for what they say, the words say exactly what they mean. Amen!
This sermon is spot on. You hit the nail on the head how Gipp, Sharpe and Hiltibidal all preach different things, and in doing so confuse congregations.
Great Message pastor Tom! That is a great point, the pre-tribulation doctrine prophecy teachers use very little bible in their teachings. I listened to a whole sermon last night and finally realized not even one bible verse was used. It is just sensational talk to sell books and DVD's The bible is a tapestry woven together to form a clear picture, you need it all from the Law, the History, the Psalms, Proverbs, The Prophets and mostly the New Testament. I have noticed people who actually read the bible without notes, just read from old to new are mostly in agreement on most every major doctrine, because the bible is very clear.
Pastor, since Daniel and Revelation are so important concerning end times, please EXPLAIN THE FOLLOWING: Daniel 1:5 ("...THREE years, that at the end thereof they might stand before the king."); /////Daniel 1:18 ("Now at the END OF THE DAYS THAT THE KING HAD SAID he should bring them in, THEN the prince of the eunuchs brought them in before Nebuchadnezzar." - IOW THREE YEARS!); /////Daniel 2:1 ("And in the SECOND YEAR of the reign of NEBUCHADNEZZAR...)/////Question : Why would King Nebuchadnezzar have to have his 'prince of the eunuchs' bring in Daniel, et. al., in the THIRD YEAR of his reign since in THE SECOND YEAR OF HIS REIGN he had already made Daniel "a great man, and gave him many great gifts, and make him ruler over the whole province of Babylon, AND chief of the governors over ALL the wise men of Babylon."? - Daniel 2:48////The last time I checked, the SECOND YEAR comes BEFORE the THIRD YEAR./////Did King Nebuchadnezzar forget who Daniel ''the governor over all the wise men'' was?
the people that believe in the pre-trib I've noticed are cherry picking versus to use. for some reason they don't want to acknowledge the verses before it and after.
Tired of hearing about the End Times. It only serves to remind me of the failure that I am and the fact I'll have all of Eternity to reflect on how different my life could have been...
Thanks for sharing...I still believe as I did growing up...I'm 65yrs. old...We don't know the day nor hour...I'm not promised tomorrow nor the next breath..He cares for every sparrow and knows the number of hair of my head....King James Bible Zechariah 12:3 And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people: all that burden themselves with it shall be cut in pieces, though all the people of the earth be gathered together against it. When America realizes how they did burden themselves with this city, it will be too late...because America has...and this Prophecy is coming to pass before our eyes... ALL TO GOD'S GLORY...THAT NONE OF US CAN BOAST... One thing that I do hope you will consider however...If you have not realized the chemical and biochemical warfare against all of us, the psychological warfare against masses of persons, even now, the technological warfare, the magnetic FREQUENCY WARFARE, AS EVEN YOU DEMONSTRATED YOUR HARMONICS, which are effectively in radiation and more weaponry attacks and assault and massive terrorism against mankind by the prince of the power of the air beyond common man's imagination...the mental anguish and targeted warfare, persecution and tribulation of the Beast will not be as most think...Until Technology is Brought down, the grid's destroyed, and days of darkness...it will grow worse....and as in the days of NOAH....YES...THIS IS ALSO TO BE SEEN...What was used on Prisoners in Wartime and on Soldiers in Training, who had to go through this brain washing, we get to find out what it was for them to go through, WHAT THEY HAD TO BE SUBJECTED TO....IT HAS BEEN THE GRACE OF GOD AND WILL CONTINUE TO BE GOD'S GRACE THAT WE ENDURE...
When did he tell them before when he was with them? Where is it recorded before that he told them? I looked and can't find that...Did he tell them and it's not recorded that he told them? Did he tell them in different words? Can you find that and write it here...? I checked the translations, greek words in strongs and can't find the same word used...perhaps you can help me harmonize the wording structure in the scripture...thank you..
If you are talking about 2 Thessalonians 2:5 it is not recorded when he had told them that specifically in the Bible. It was something he taught while he was with them. It is easy for us to know exactly what he taught them though because everything he reminds them of in 2 Thess. 2 lines up perfectly with the events of Matthew 24. 2Th 2:9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and SIGNS AND LYING WONDERS. Paul taught the Abomination of Desolation comes and that he would do signs and wonders and in Matthew 24 we see the Abomination of Desolation in verse 15 and then verse 24 says For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew GREAT SIGNS AND WONDERS; and then the angels GATHER the elect in verse 31. Paul clearly taught a Gentile church the exact same thing that Jesus told the disciples proving that the Olivet Discourse is not just for the Jews.
But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.1Corinthians 2:14
I don't know why I've missed this sermon. This is the best explanation of the post-trib/pre-wrath position I've ever heard.
I went through at least two full Revelation series teachings through the years, and just figured that it must be so "complex" that I just can't put it together in the bible. Now I know that those teachers were just repeating what others told them, and it didn't make sense to them either. It couldn't have. They believed other men by faith rather than believing the bible for what it says.
paulchri69 That's a very accurate observation, well put.
This sermon explains SO CLEARLY why having the proper end-times doctrine is very important. Excellent stuff here.
It has to be convicting for these pre trib teachers to look at 2 Thessalonians 2:3 and realize they are that man that is deceiving people. That is why they avoid it like a plague. Keep hammering away Pastor McMurtry!
Great message, simple truths do not need complicated explanations and verbal acrobatics to prove. Read the scriptures for what they say, the words say exactly what they mean. Amen!
Awesome sermon
This sermon is spot on. You hit the nail on the head how Gipp, Sharpe and Hiltibidal all preach different things, and in doing so confuse congregations.
Great Message pastor Tom!
That is a great point, the pre-tribulation doctrine prophecy teachers use very little bible in their teachings. I listened to a whole sermon last night and finally realized not even one bible verse was used. It is just sensational talk to sell books and DVD's
The bible is a tapestry woven together to form a clear picture, you need it all from the Law, the History, the Psalms, Proverbs, The Prophets and mostly the New Testament.
I have noticed people who actually read the bible without notes, just read from old to new are mostly in agreement on most every major doctrine, because the bible is very clear.
Debunking Pre-Trib and Dispensationalism in one RUclips using Scripture. Very Good. Pass this youtube on to others. Great help. Thank You
Very clever illustration!
indeed!
Truth!!!!
When you stand on the truth of the Word, you will see persecution. They seek to extinguish that light that stands in opposition to their darkness.
Pastor, since Daniel and Revelation are so important concerning end times, please EXPLAIN THE FOLLOWING: Daniel 1:5 ("...THREE years, that at the end thereof they might stand before the king."); /////Daniel 1:18 ("Now at the END OF THE DAYS THAT THE KING HAD SAID he should bring them in, THEN the prince of the eunuchs brought them in before Nebuchadnezzar." - IOW THREE YEARS!); /////Daniel 2:1 ("And in the SECOND YEAR of the reign of NEBUCHADNEZZAR...)/////Question : Why would King Nebuchadnezzar have to have his 'prince of the eunuchs' bring in Daniel, et. al., in the THIRD YEAR of his reign since in THE SECOND YEAR OF HIS REIGN he had already made Daniel "a great man, and gave him many great gifts, and make him ruler over the whole province of Babylon, AND chief of the governors over ALL the wise men of Babylon."? - Daniel 2:48////The last time I checked, the SECOND YEAR comes BEFORE the THIRD YEAR./////Did King Nebuchadnezzar forget who Daniel ''the governor over all the wise men'' was?
the people that believe in the pre-trib I've noticed are cherry picking versus to use. for some reason they don't want to acknowledge the verses before it and after.
Pre-Trib Mafia!! Haha yes!
"Don't get stuck in stupid" "Don't get stuck in stubborn" another two great quotes.
Many good points.I like your style.(Obviously because the content is there too).
Tired of hearing about the End Times. It only serves to remind me of the failure that I am and the fact I'll have all of Eternity to reflect on how different my life could have been...
Thanks for sharing...I still believe as I did growing up...I'm 65yrs. old...We don't know the day nor hour...I'm not promised tomorrow nor the next breath..He cares for every sparrow and knows the number of hair of my head....King James Bible Zechariah 12:3
And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people: all that burden themselves with it shall be cut in pieces, though all the people of the earth be gathered together against it.
When America realizes how they did burden themselves with this city, it will be too late...because America has...and this Prophecy is coming to pass before our eyes...
ALL TO GOD'S GLORY...THAT NONE OF US CAN BOAST...
One thing that I do hope you will consider however...If you have not realized the chemical and biochemical warfare against all of us, the psychological warfare against masses of persons, even now, the technological warfare, the magnetic FREQUENCY WARFARE, AS EVEN YOU DEMONSTRATED YOUR HARMONICS, which are effectively in radiation and more weaponry attacks and assault and massive terrorism against mankind by the prince of the power of the air beyond common man's imagination...the mental anguish and targeted warfare, persecution and tribulation of the Beast will not be as most think...Until Technology is Brought down, the grid's destroyed, and days of darkness...it will grow worse....and as in the days of NOAH....YES...THIS IS ALSO TO BE SEEN...What was used on Prisoners in Wartime and on Soldiers in Training, who had to go through this brain washing, we get to find out what it was for them to go through, WHAT THEY HAD TO BE SUBJECTED TO....IT HAS BEEN THE GRACE OF GOD AND WILL CONTINUE TO BE GOD'S GRACE THAT WE ENDURE...
When did he tell them before when he was with them? Where is it recorded before that he told them? I looked and can't find that...Did he tell them and it's not recorded that he told them? Did he tell them in different words? Can you find that and write it here...? I checked the translations, greek words in strongs and can't find the same word used...perhaps you can help me harmonize the wording structure in the scripture...thank you..
If you are talking about 2 Thessalonians 2:5 it is not recorded when he had told them that specifically in the Bible. It was something he taught while he was with them. It is easy for us to know exactly what he taught them though because everything he reminds them of in 2 Thess. 2 lines up perfectly with the events of Matthew 24. 2Th 2:9
Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and SIGNS AND LYING WONDERS. Paul taught the Abomination of Desolation comes and that he would do signs and wonders and in Matthew 24 we see the Abomination of Desolation in verse 15 and then verse 24 says For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew GREAT SIGNS AND WONDERS; and then the angels GATHER the elect in verse 31. Paul clearly taught a Gentile church the exact same thing that Jesus told the disciples proving that the Olivet Discourse is not just for the Jews.
But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.1Corinthians 2:14