Chemist over here- isopropyl alcohol evaporates pretty quickly in room tempreture, therefor you cannot subtract the volume of added alcohol from the final mesurment (especially because you kept it open the whole time). I can reccomend you a better way to measure. Put the product in your car on a sunny day and let it settle(can also be done in oven on 50°c under close supervision), mark the level it reached on the tube,remove the product the same way you did (adding as much alcohol as you need), then put oil in the clean tube until you reach the mark and measure the oil volume.This will yeald more accurate results. Love your videos!
or, you could avoid tampering with the product whatsoever and clean out the tube, put oil into it, stick the applicator in, and then measure the volume of the oil. -the daughter of a chemist!
I'm a chemistry major! you should get two of each lipstick, Actually break one open, get 1 mL of product without anything else in it, weigh it. well weigh your graduated cylinder, then subtract that from your mass. this gives you mass/volume = density. try to do this 3 times with 3 different ration of the same product to get the average density, to account human measuring error. or add 1ml on top of that 1ml and do the math using 2ml, etc. either way it's gonna give you density. then weigh a full container- the weight of an empty container, then covert that weight into volume using the density you found. You can use whatever means of cleaning out as you wish, just as long as it's as clean as you can get it for a more accurate result. Thumbs this up so they can see it!
I know it'll work. I'm doing it for my organic chemistry lab final project right now! If they could find an eyeshadow pan that could hold 1ml of liquid they'll be set since 1) it's easy to scrape a thick paste into, 2) It's easy to clean and 3) they don't actually need the actual mass of the product if it's over 1ml. Just the average density of a few sample to be the standard
Confused, what good would breaking it open and only getting 1 mL of the supposed 3.25 mL of product do? Genuinely curious, since you would also need to know exactly how much the packaging weighs, which you can't really do if you've broken one and the other is still full of lipstick. Or do you mean to empty the one that isn't broken... Still not sure how that works...
I think you girls did prove something valuable at the end of the video! 3ml of liquid only fills about 1/2 to 3/4 of the tube which explains why consumers are complaining of half empty tubes when that was quite possible the correct measurement. Seems legit to me. I say good job ladies 👍🏽
Devin V it's really interesting! Especially because I don't think it is great for publicity, I would have thought she'd change the tube size so they'd look full.
Could you use a medicine syringe to suck up the product? The syringe would already have the measurements on the side. Then maybe use the alcohol to break up the remaining product stuck to the sides?
could you use baby oil or some kind of cooking oil to break down the product? I use oils to remove my liquid lips. Also they make some syringes with large diameter tips that would be able to handle the thickness of the product.
Alcohol evaporates pretty quickly. I wonder if you left the samples overnight to let all the alcohol you put in evaporate away how much would be left then? I think that must be why you ended up with not a lot to measure, because putting 6ml of alcohol in doesn't mean you necessarily have 6ml to measure at the end. That's not a criticism, so please don't jump down my throat. I hope you can find a way to do this because I love this series 😁
The first thing that popped into my mind when I saw this video was Michelle Phan's old video on how to get remaining lipgloss out of a tube lol she placed them in hot water and everything came down
@@lanyloo8131 if it's too hot, lip/cream products can sort of scramble. Source: tried to get some concealer and liquid lipstick out and it flopped hugely and the formula was affected. This might affect the volume measurements
You could drill a hole in the bottom of the tube and use a syringe plunger type thing to push the product out, or use a large gauge syringe to pull most of the product out before removing the rest with alcohol =)
To be honest, I'm not really a Kardashians/Jenner fan so I tend not support them in any way (purchase their products or follow them on social media). Your video did not change my judgement about them or the products.
or you could fill up the lipstick tube with water (with the lipstick still in it) and measure how much you need to get it to the top of the tube, and the measure how much water goes in with the tube cleaned out and subtract the 1st amount of water from the total volume
Sooooo here's the thing with soluble chemicals. They generally don't occupy the same amount of volume when suspended in a solution, as they do when they are a precipitate. I think the only way to get an accurate measure of these products would be to heat them or use a delicate tool to open the product more.
The process wasn't necessarily a total fail. It still gave some insight! This comment section and all of its "chemists" who don't know volume v. mass though... 😲🔫
Amanda Patterson You can see if they're the same formula by the ingredients list. The Kylie lipkits are basically a barebones version of the Colourpop lipsticks
Amanda Patterson If they're listed in the same order (ingredients lists are required, by law, to be listed from most concentrated to least) they basically are. While there is some differences to the two, its the Kylie kit that has less ingredients to the Colourpop one.
This could be a very dumb idea, idk much about this stuff, but maybe heat the tubes in a pot of simmering water and then try to dump them out? Maybe the heat will make it more liquidy.
My method would be: First weigh the tube of product. Then, take a syringe, weigh it. Then take up 1ml of product into the syringe, and measure it again to get an idea of how much around 1ml weighs. Then rinse out the entire tube and clean out all the product. Then weigh the empty tube. Then subtract and do some math to see around how much product was in the tube. There is slight room for error for this method (ex product could be in the needle of the syringe so the weight of 1ml may be slightly off, etc) but hypothetically speaking I think this method doesn't seem too bad, cause if there was a drastic difference between expected and actual amounts of product then you can tell there's less product than advertised. Dunno how this would work in practice, so I'd probably test it out with a cheaper product first then if it works I'd try it on something more expensive like this.
And by math I mean subtract weight of the tube in the beginning from the weight of the empty tube to get the mass of the product that was inside. Then from the 1ml syringe weighing you found out how much 1 ml weighed, so you can then use that value to calculate how much product was in the tube.
Dip some sort of stick into the lipstick and mark how much of it is stained by the lipstick. Then wash it out, don't worry about trying to save the product (though it's expensive >_< ). Measure out how much of the product there is meant to be (so 2.6ml for the gloss?) from another coloured liquid. Dip another stick in and mark how far you the colour went. They should both have stained the same amount of the stick (I hope I'm clear and not just rambling) Or heating up the product to make it easier to pour out
i don't think it will work because the volume also on the diameter of the tube, the bigger it is the more product it contains. try putting a stick inside, measure where the liquid stops, empty the bottle and fill it with water until it reaches the right point then measure the water. i don't know if it is clear. btw i love your videos!😘
Kate t they're saying that lipstick tubes can have different widths; they're suggesting using water to measure amount of product instead of using a stick
Shelby Huckaby you can’t just ‘cut through it’. That’s like saying to get world peace is to ‘just stop fighting’. To ‘cut through’ it, you would need a heated knife, burning hot (about 100 degrees celsius or 212 Fahrenheit do melt thin pieces of plastic like butter. Her packaging has rather thick plastic so you would need at least 233 Celsius or roughly 470 Fahrenheit which is enough to roast a fucking turkey). So you need to heat a knife to 470 degrees, and cut through the tube. The hotness of the knife will burn the product making it start to evaporate. The product afterwards would have less product due to the evaporation and would be gross and very thick due to the melted plastic within the lipstick.
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You can use the weight to convert to ml if you know the density of something. So here you go: 1. measure the whole thing untouched. 2. Weigh a graduated cylinder. 3. Put 1 mL of product in the graduated cylinder (buy some disposable plastic pipettes.). 4. Find the difference to get the weight of 1 mL of whatever it is. Since D=M/V, however many grams that is, is equal to the density since you used 1mL. Basically, you're solving for D so you could use however much you want really but 1mL as V is easiest. 5. Clean the product out of the packaging. 6. find the difference between the full packaging and the empty packaging. 7. Use D=M/V again, but this time you're solving for V not D, so you'd basically just divide the mass by the volume. 8. ???Profit. =D Way cleaner than all of this...
Well, that's true, but the math part can be done offscreen and you could just show the emptying of the tubes since you've gotta do that part anyway. :)
The results don't add up because of the particle size of the alcohol which is *smaller* than that of the lipsticks. Therefore you will need to figure out a way to do this experiment without alcohol sadly! You can even try this yourself by mixing 10ml of alcohol to 10ml of water. It will measure LESS than 20ml! Metaphorically it's easier to explain I think... ALCOHOL = sesame seeds LIPSTICK = dried peas Imagine taking 1 cup of dried peas and adding them to a tall glass. Then add 1 cup of sesame seeds to the peas and shake around. The sesame seeds fall in between the gaps that the bigger peas create, and as a result you dont have 2 cups simply added together to make a neat volume of 2 cups, but the volume of under 2 cups. I wish I could explain it better but it's to do with the chemistry involving alcohol, so the answer is not to use it.... even though it'll be a pain in the arse :( xxx
Hi Guys! There isn't a fast way to do this. The easiest way to liquify this product is to warm it (since lip products are made by heating the ingredients, mixing and dispensing them). Since you're doing this at home, get a cup/beaker and put the lip glosses in. Heat water to almost boiling and put enough water to cover ~1/2 the tube. Change the water when it cools. (You don't want to heat the lip gloss too much because the warmed liquids expand. If it gets too hot, the lip gloss may flow out when you open it.) You'll need to weight down the glosses since they'll float in the water. Pull the gloss out every 10-15 mins and stir it w/its applicator so the entire gloss warms and liquifies. Once the gloss is heated up, it should pour similarly to oil. You can pour it into the graduated cylinder you've got. If the gloss cools, you'll have to warm it again. This is a slow process, so you may have to keep the tube upside down for a while to remove all the gloss. (Tip: the gloss will come out faster and more smoothly if it's at a 45 degree angle instead of completely upside down.) I wouldn't use a syringe because there isn't a tip that would be long enough. However, it you insist on trying, I'd recommend using a large gauge needle (ie. 18-22 gauge, needles that are more narrow can't pull up such a viscous liquid). If you really want to dilute the gloss, use a thin oil. Hope this helps. (BTW, my husband and I have PhDs and work in labs).
If you marked where the product was in the tube, then got it out, you could pour water in there to that level and find out how many mL that is. This could also provide a "double checking" method.
It wouldn't be an interesting video, but how about just taping a tube upside down on top of the measuring cylinder and leaving it for a few days to set? Having it drip naturally, it could also move from the sides? Give it a shake like 2 times a day? and taping it well that it won't dry.
another good one I saw in the comments was measuring with a stick how high does the product go and then emptying the tube and filling it up to the mark on the stick and measuring the amount of water.
could you try this with the Jeffree Star liquid lipsticks? From your past videos his products seem to go over the amount stated on the box, and I'm curious whether it's the same with his liquid lipsticks.
+Claudia Parsons we have a new Jeffree Star Liquid Lipstick on standby for when we discover a good way to extract the product without screwing up the results :)
I've accidentally dropped a Jeffree Star Liquid Lipstick and it went everywhere, it was a really thin consistency. Could you break it in a bowl and then try to pour it out, scrape the sides of the tube and pick out the bottle bits with tweezers?
Try to washout one of the lipstick containers and see how much it weighs. Then you can take the one full of product, measure it, then subtract the weight of the empty bottle from it. (Sorry if this is a stupid idea😬)
Honestly it's a makeup breakup a day early for me! Still very fun to watch, absolutely cannot wait to watch the stuff you guys post, brightens my whole day ❤️❤️❤️
the method is fine, I think the solution you're using just isn't dissolving the lip products well enough. I would try maybe acetone? (nail Polish remover) or even micellar water to clean it out? best of luck!!
Micellar water would be far worse. Acetone would be stronger, but also might dissolve some of the plastic from inside the container into the solution. Probably not enough to significantly affect the reading, so It's a better choice. But it's also possible that 100% alcohol would still work if allowed more time to dissolve the product, and if the product is warmed first since there are waxes in the formula.
You might be convinced this was bad, but it was actually really interesting! As a beauty professional in training this was really educational actually, seeing different consistencies with different products. Don't be hard on yourselves, you're lovely ladies and I quite enjoyed this! ♡
I love that you guys do so much for us people who love watching your videos! These videos satisfy my brain, along with your accents, I'm in heaven!! Lol.
mswackygirl369 They have a poor selection of Elf products available in Australia apparently I think they mention in a recent video of Beauty news and that's why they don't feature Elf.
+mswackygirl369 ELF is on our list of products to look in to :) our selection here is very limited but we know many people would like to see something from the brand
I don't mind how messed up this was, I love this. All your videos amaze me. It never fails. You two make me want to cut my makeup open but I'm too scared lol.
Hello ladies. First of all, thank you for taking the time to go through with this - you clearly put in a LOT of effort into this video. One thing you could try (if you're not planning on saving the product) is using the mathematical conversion of ml's to grams and weigh before and after. Then convert it again to ml's. Might give you a more accurate idea of how much is in there. A good way to remove the product is maybe to use a syringe to remove as much as possible first, then adding in the alcohol. And for gloss, to warm it up first, to liquefy whatever oils are present in the formula. Hope this helps. 👍🏽 Great work on this video.
I second the melting option, the liquid matte would dry so hard to break down. Thanks ladies for giving it a go! I still think it was interesting to watch 😊
Use a something called a spatty its small enough to go inside the bottle. The lady that made them was in shark tank. They are sold at Walmart in the US, in the makeup section. Love you guys, just started watch but you all are so real and that's what I like.
Hey girls, I'm a SeneGence distributor and would love to donate a LipSense tube when you've figured out the best method to remove product. LipSense comes in a huge 7.393ml tube and we boast that about how much value customers get with our product for the price ($34) . The pigment is suspended in SD40 alcohol making it very thin which might make it easier to remove from the tube. Ps. also loved your video on airless pumps as many of our skin care and cosmetics come in this packaging.
That's definitely a nice TRY, but what a MESS...but honestly you are proving there is hardly any product in the lipsticks...and honestly you are the ONLY one's who I have seen even try to see what is in the tubes...so kudos to you!
Even if what you were trying to do failed, you can at least conclude that you will NEVER get to use the full amount of product that is supposedly in a tube. You used alcohol to break down the product and you still couldn't get it out. Even if the tube is full and you actually get the entire 3mL, you'll be lucky if you get 1mL out of it because it's stuck to the container. This product is not worth the hype. Thank you for making these video's! This wasn't a fail in my opinion! I can't tell in the video, but are all those tubes the same exact size? If so, do you know why they all say they contain different amounts?
With the opening of the bottle facing away from you and into a container, like the graduated cylinder. Spin around in a circle with it in your hands to use centripetal force to pull all of the product out of the bottles. Hope this helps
I would've just tried to pull it out with a seringe and a needle? You might need a thicker type of needle as the product my be a little thicker in consistency, but seringes are probable the best way to measure liquids (espescially for thin tubes like lipgloss). Even for transferring it into the type of tubes you normally use.
another suggestion(will not work if the alcohol reacted with one of the ingridients but worth a try) - just leave the tubes open in a warm place and let the isopropyl ethanol evaporate fully , then do the measurment.
Why not just measure the tube with product in - then wash it out with hot water/ soap/ oil makeup remover and then measure the empty tube.... it's pretty straightforward:/
Because they are trying to see how much she actually put into it that way they won’t be able to see if the product is short or not since the liquid lipstick it’s self wont weigh the same as what’s actually in it
Great tip you can try: If you have a Makeup Forever PRO store near you (or you can try to get it online), get their Airbrush Foundation Thinner, it's a slightly oily liquid that helps thin out makeup products, I use a lil bit everytime my liquid lipsticks are finishing or to thin out thick foundations or on dried up mascaras/ gel liners :)
You can add any liquid (water for example) measure the precise amount you added until the tube is full. Then clean the tube out fill it with the liquid completely and measure. Then subtract the amount of liquid initially added which should leave you with the volume of the product.
hey guys this was a great try!!! maybe try heating up the tube with warm/boiling water. the plastic shouldnt melt if the heat tranfers through to the liquid inside properly. 😊 try destroying some cheaper glosses before experimenting on more expensive ones. id love to see you do milani or nyx. 😊😊 ps: since i was one of the people who requested this makeup breakup i just wanted to thank you for trying! 😘😘
Don't know if this has been suggested yet, but you can weigh a completely empty, clean container of the brand you're testing, weigh the other full tubes, and subtract the weight of the empty tube. You'll have to buy extra product for this, but it'll save you the hassle of trying to empty every single tube. But it is really fun to watch you two destroy makeup! :D
The special effects industry uses naphtha to thin down oil paints, I am sure that would work. Also I have used petroleum distillate to break up oil and pigment from fabric. Works wonders. Maybe a good application for what you are attempting.
I know I'm too late, but you might try something that dissolves make-up. These can be any liquidy oils, two-phase make-up removers, even micelllar water. The same liquids can be used to measure foundations.
I discovered your videos a couple days ago and have been binge watching. Probably someone has already commented this but VOLUMES DON'T ADD UP! You can try it youself with ethanol and water. Mesure a bit of each and you'll see when you mix them the volume si less than you expected. That happens because the smaller molecules fill the spaces between the bigger ones, kinda like if you where to put sand in a container filled with rocks. Hope this is helpful 😌
You could try measuring it with water displacement? If you can clean one out well (without measuring, just get the product out), you can then have a graduated cylinder with 10ml water, drop in the empty container and note the increase. Put the full tube in a 10ml cylinder and measure the increase and compare! It's way cleaner and the second (full) tube won't be wasted/opened at all!
Look at all your smart viewers! Yep my suggestion is like everyone else's. Put in it boiling water. Seeing how all my liquid lipsticks melt in Perth heat, that's all I can think of. You could find and use a thin syringe to get it out, that way it measures as well. Great job ladies, always love the fails! It's how you learn
Its good to know how much product is in there but if we can only get out half of it to put on our lips it doesnt matter this much. I have some Kylie liquid lipsticks and they are ok. The best one thou is Pat Mcgrath’ liquid lust , i think they still have the 3 darker colors at Sephora , now she has glosses and lipsticks , i hope she makes the liquid lipsticks. They’re pricey but Kylie’s are too and you cant feel Pat’s ones on your lips and they stay put all day ! Im so in love with them
This might seem far-fetched but what if you weigh the full tube then remove exactly 1ml of product and weigh again. This will allow you to calculate how much a ml weighs. Then empty the tube thoroughly and weigh it. By using the weight of 1ml and the weight of the tube, you can calculate how many mls are in each tube.
What you need to do is get yourself a saw and freeze the lipstick, once it's frozen, use your saw to cut the tube open and then easily slide the product out. The point of freezing it is so that there isn't a huge mess and you don't get the lipstick everywhere from moving the saw back and forth. Idk if the freezing would alter the formula though.
Going real simple, warm to hot water bath for the tube until consistency thins. If you are not going to use the product after I would suggest using a Dremel saw to carefully saw off the top or bottom of tube whichever you like. That should allow you to remove all the product from the tube without affecting volume.
You can fill the newly opened product with water using pipette to count how much ml used to fill the lipstick fully than clean all the product then fill it with water using the same method. Last measured ml-first measured should be equal the product itself.
Would it not work to measure the full item, swatch until it is empty, then measure the empty tube? The gram to milliliter conversion would probably be enough to get a good idea of how much is in it.
maybe im late to the party with suggestions, but pure acetone might work. a lot of liquid makeups contain polymers. acetone breaks down most plastics so it might work, just account for the tube sloughing when you do it.
I really like these videos, not just because you find out how much you actually get, but it sort of demystifies the product so I'm not feeling like "omg I have to buy that name brand product or my life is meaningless!" 😆
Have you thought of Using a syringe & syringe extender. Pump air into it to gain pressure then it should repel back. You are get these through your pharmacy. It picks up the consistency of lactulose it should pick up these. Good luck. ( ps we use these in nursing to give us accurate dose of medication, just a suggestion )
In the lab we use a small vortexer to mix things well. I'd add water or a thin oil and vortex it to break it down. They are rather inexpensive piece of equipment.
Love your videos. my suggestion, since alcohol does evaporate at room temperature, would be to use an oil to break down a liquid lipstick. Most people use oil to remove liquid lipsticks so I think it would help break it down more without the risk of evaporation :)
Are you able to weigh the tube before any tampering and then scrape it out with the spatula and re weigh like you do with pressed powder? Would that work? Just keep scraping and rinsing until the tube is clean. You can just convert gram to ml can't you? Or no?
Maybe a Dental Lab Vibrator can help? We use them to get air bubbles out of plaster for model and metal work. It also makes thick plaster run easily due to the vibration.
Suggestion - Step 1 - weigh bottle with product in it Step 2 - work out how much 1 ml of product weighs without adding alcohol, oil, etc (scraping, dripping, whatever). Step 3 - clean out bottle with whatever product you want /can, it won't matter about collecting the product together Step 4 - once clean and empty reweigh the bottle. Step 5 - divide the difference by the 1ml product weight ^_^
Have you thought of sitting the tubes in a glass of hot water before adding alcohol and removal? The heat may loosen the product enough. Just a thought.
Chemist over here- isopropyl alcohol evaporates pretty quickly in room tempreture, therefor you cannot subtract the volume of added alcohol from the final mesurment (especially because you kept it open the whole time). I can reccomend you a better way to measure. Put the product in your car on a sunny day and let it settle(can also be done in oven on 50°c under close supervision), mark the level it reached on the tube,remove the product the same way you did (adding as much alcohol as you need), then put oil in the clean tube until you reach the mark and measure the oil volume.This will yeald more accurate results. Love your videos!
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or, you could avoid tampering with the product whatsoever and clean out the tube, put oil into it, stick the applicator in, and then measure the volume of the oil. -the daughter of a chemist!
ELiL7 this is great!!! i hooe they do it!
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I'm a chemistry major!
you should get two of each lipstick, Actually break one open, get 1 mL of product without anything else in it, weigh it.
well weigh your graduated cylinder, then subtract that from your mass.
this gives you mass/volume = density. try to do this 3 times with 3 different ration of the same product to get the average density, to account human measuring error. or add 1ml on top of that 1ml and do the math using 2ml, etc. either way it's gonna give you density.
then weigh a full container- the weight of an empty container, then covert that weight into volume using the density you found. You can use whatever means of cleaning out as you wish, just as long as it's as clean as you can get it for a more accurate result.
Thumbs this up so they can see it!
Megan M this is a great idea it would definitely work
I know it'll work. I'm doing it for my organic chemistry lab final project right now!
If they could find an eyeshadow pan that could hold 1ml of liquid they'll be set since 1) it's easy to scrape a thick paste into, 2) It's easy to clean and 3) they don't actually need the actual mass of the product if it's over 1ml. Just the average density of a few sample to be the standard
finally - actual science!
ughhh science....not my fav....
Confused, what good would breaking it open and only getting 1 mL of the supposed 3.25 mL of product do? Genuinely curious, since you would also need to know exactly how much the packaging weighs, which you can't really do if you've broken one and the other is still full of lipstick. Or do you mean to empty the one that isn't broken... Still not sure how that works...
Please do Charlotte tilbury lipgloss I swear them fuckers are empty 😩😩😂
Stacey batcheldor YES OMG I have Ibiza nights I've used it 2-3 times and there's barely any left!
Maybe try taking the stopper out? That helps me when I get to the end of concealers and I wonder if it would work for that too
Stacey batcheldor yess 😂😂😂
Erin Van Lyssel .. I did this recently with my nars concealer and couldn't believe how much product is stuck round the top!
Sarah Chambers I know it's crazy!! It's so worth the effort to pry it out
This video isn't as bad as you guys said it was
I think you girls did prove something valuable at the end of the video! 3ml of liquid only fills about 1/2 to 3/4 of the tube which explains why consumers are complaining of half empty tubes when that was quite possible the correct measurement. Seems legit to me. I say good job ladies 👍🏽
Devin V it's really interesting! Especially because I don't think it is great for publicity, I would have thought she'd change the tube size so they'd look full.
Could you use a medicine syringe to suck up the product? The syringe would already have the measurements on the side. Then maybe use the alcohol to break up the remaining product stuck to the sides?
Gracie Gottschling that's what I was thinking. I've come across some medicine syringes with the needles so that could help too
Gracie Gottschling you can get them with larger holes, so you can suck in thicker liquids. You should be able to get them from pharmacy.
Gracie Gottschling NOT BAD!
Gracie Gottschling I was going to say that and what about some coconut oil to break it up!!
could you use baby oil or some kind of cooking oil to break down the product? I use oils to remove my liquid lips. Also they make some syringes with large diameter tips that would be able to handle the thickness of the product.
Alcohol evaporates pretty quickly. I wonder if you left the samples overnight to let all the alcohol you put in evaporate away how much would be left then? I think that must be why you ended up with not a lot to measure, because putting 6ml of alcohol in doesn't mean you necessarily have 6ml to measure at the end. That's not a criticism, so please don't jump down my throat. I hope you can find a way to do this because I love this series 😁
Maybe place the container in a warm water bath?
Stephanie Minnella Thiiiiis
The first thing that popped into my mind when I saw this video was Michelle Phan's old video on how to get remaining lipgloss out of a tube lol she placed them in hot water and everything came down
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would heating up the lipstick make it easier to pour out?
I was thinking put it in some boiling water for 10 minutes.
@@lanyloo8131 if it's too hot, lip/cream products can sort of scramble.
Source: tried to get some concealer and liquid lipstick out and it flopped hugely and the formula was affected.
This might affect the volume measurements
You could drill a hole in the bottom of the tube and use a syringe plunger type thing to push the product out, or use a large gauge syringe to pull most of the product out before removing the rest with alcohol =)
DawnxMoon I think you're on to something... we gotta think vacuum...
Kylies products are more for the name rather than quality. Glad I haven't invested a penny towards her mansions.
You can't make those claims unless you have actually tried them. Her lip products are actually quite nice
+BEAUTY NEWS cheeky bitch
To be honest, I'm not really a Kardashians/Jenner fan so I tend not support them in any way (purchase their products or follow them on social media). Your video did not change my judgement about them or the products.
Why do people that aren't even considering to buy the product click on these videos and leave this kind of comments?
Raminder Kaur 1/4 of 3 of my 30 lipsticks were half empty. But I keep buying them :/
or you could fill up the lipstick tube with water (with the lipstick still in it) and measure how much you need to get it to the top of the tube, and the measure how much water goes in with the tube cleaned out and subtract the 1st amount of water from the total volume
Virginie Van lynden good idea
Virginie Van lynden great idea! And also use a warm water??
VS M The difference in density doesn't effect the way you measure volume- 3ml is 3ml no matter what liquid you use....
Sooooo here's the thing with soluble chemicals. They generally don't occupy the same amount of volume when suspended in a solution, as they do when they are a precipitate.
I think the only way to get an accurate measure of these products would be to heat them or use a delicate tool to open the product more.
The process wasn't necessarily a total fail. It still gave some insight! This comment section and all of its "chemists" who don't know volume v. mass though... 😲🔫
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Since they don't react the same as colourpop I think we can finally lay to rest the debate as to if Kylie and colourpop are the exact same formula!
Amanda Patterson idk Colourpop isn't consistent either lol
Amanda Patterson You can see if they're the same formula by the ingredients list. The Kylie lipkits are basically a barebones version of the Colourpop lipsticks
Sara El well that is true but ingredients don't mean the same recipe 😊
Alice S haha so true! Some pigments just make the consistency weird
Amanda Patterson If they're listed in the same order (ingredients lists are required, by law, to be listed from most concentrated to least) they basically are. While there is some differences to the two, its the Kylie kit that has less ingredients to the Colourpop one.
This could be a very dumb idea, idk much about this stuff, but maybe heat the tubes in a pot of simmering water and then try to dump them out? Maybe the heat will make it more liquidy.
My method would be:
First weigh the tube of product.
Then, take a syringe, weigh it. Then take up 1ml of product into the syringe, and measure it again to get an idea of how much around 1ml weighs.
Then rinse out the entire tube and clean out all the product. Then weigh the empty tube.
Then subtract and do some math to see around how much product was in the tube. There is slight room for error for this method (ex product could be in the needle of the syringe so the weight of 1ml may be slightly off, etc) but hypothetically speaking I think this method doesn't seem too bad, cause if there was a drastic difference between expected and actual amounts of product then you can tell there's less product than advertised.
Dunno how this would work in practice, so I'd probably test it out with a cheaper product first then if it works I'd try it on something more expensive like this.
And by math I mean subtract weight of the tube in the beginning from the weight of the empty tube to get the mass of the product that was inside. Then from the 1ml syringe weighing you found out how much 1 ml weighed, so you can then use that value to calculate how much product was in the tube.
Dip some sort of stick into the lipstick and mark how much of it is stained by the lipstick. Then wash it out, don't worry about trying to save the product (though it's expensive >_< ). Measure out how much of the product there is meant to be (so 2.6ml for the gloss?) from another coloured liquid. Dip another stick in and mark how far you the colour went. They should both have stained the same amount of the stick (I hope I'm clear and not just rambling)
Or heating up the product to make it easier to pour out
That's actually brilliant
i don't think it will work because the volume also on the diameter of the tube, the bigger it is the more product it contains. try putting a stick inside, measure where the liquid stops, empty the bottle and fill it with water until it reaches the right point then measure the water. i don't know if it is clear. btw i love your videos!😘
That's a good idea!
Lisa Ferrari I think what you're saying is the same thing I'm saying, but I'm not too sure
Kate t they're saying that lipstick tubes can have different widths; they're suggesting using water to measure amount of product instead of using a stick
Can you cut the tube in half & scoop out the product? :/ just throwing an idea out there.
Shelby Huckaby you can’t just ‘cut through it’. That’s like saying to get world peace is to ‘just stop fighting’. To ‘cut through’ it, you would need a heated knife, burning hot (about 100 degrees celsius or 212 Fahrenheit do melt thin pieces of plastic like butter. Her packaging has rather thick plastic so you would need at least 233 Celsius or roughly 470 Fahrenheit which is enough to roast a fucking turkey). So you need to heat a knife to 470 degrees, and cut through the tube. The hotness of the knife will burn the product making it start to evaporate. The product afterwards would have less product due to the evaporation and would be gross and very thick due to the melted plastic within the lipstick.
Or you just use a dremal tool to cut through it. Probably just take a few minutes
you guys need like...a tiny, circular power saw!? Cut the bottle open in half lengthwise and dig out the product?
sirensirennn Dremel will do the trick! 😄
sirensirennn how cute would a tiny circular power saw be? 😍
+sirensirennn we actually made this joke while filming, we need an itty bitty one to fit in BN HQ 😂
Here you go - www.ebay.com.au/itm/331698716434?_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT - every woman needs a itty bitty table saw for cutting up makeup!
You can use the weight to convert to ml if you know the density of something. So here you go: 1. measure the whole thing untouched. 2. Weigh a graduated cylinder. 3. Put 1 mL of product in the graduated cylinder (buy some disposable plastic pipettes.). 4. Find the difference to get the weight of 1 mL of whatever it is. Since D=M/V, however many grams that is, is equal to the density since you used 1mL. Basically, you're solving for D so you could use however much you want really but 1mL as V is easiest. 5. Clean the product out of the packaging. 6. find the difference between the full packaging and the empty packaging. 7. Use D=M/V again, but this time you're solving for V not D, so you'd basically just divide the mass by the volume. 8. ???Profit. =D Way cleaner than all of this...
Yeah that would definitely work, but it would make for a very boring video. We are likely going to play around with heating up the product next time x
Well, that's true, but the math part can be done offscreen and you could just show the emptying of the tubes since you've gotta do that part anyway. :)
maybe use an oil based makeup remover liquid instead of alcohol ?
The results don't add up because of the particle size of the alcohol which is *smaller* than that of the lipsticks. Therefore you will need to figure out a way to do this experiment without alcohol sadly! You can even try this yourself by mixing 10ml of alcohol to 10ml of water. It will measure LESS than 20ml! Metaphorically it's easier to explain I think...
ALCOHOL = sesame seeds
LIPSTICK = dried peas
Imagine taking 1 cup of dried peas and adding them to a tall glass. Then add 1 cup of sesame seeds to the peas and shake around. The sesame seeds fall in between the gaps that the bigger peas create, and as a result you dont have 2 cups simply added together to make a neat volume of 2 cups, but the volume of under 2 cups.
I wish I could explain it better but it's to do with the chemistry involving alcohol, so the answer is not to use it.... even though it'll be a pain in the arse :(
xxx
Yeah we did think of this after we filmed it
Hi Guys! There isn't a fast way to do this. The easiest way to liquify this product is to warm it (since lip products are made by heating the ingredients, mixing and dispensing them). Since you're doing this at home, get a cup/beaker and put the lip glosses in. Heat water to almost boiling and put enough water to cover ~1/2 the tube. Change the water when it cools. (You don't want to heat the lip gloss too much because the warmed liquids expand. If it gets too hot, the lip gloss may flow out when you open it.) You'll need to weight down the glosses since they'll float in the water. Pull the gloss out every 10-15 mins and stir it w/its applicator so the entire gloss warms and liquifies. Once the gloss is heated up, it should pour similarly to oil. You can pour it into the graduated cylinder you've got. If the gloss cools, you'll have to warm it again. This is a slow process, so you may have to keep the tube upside down for a while to remove all the gloss. (Tip: the gloss will come out faster and more smoothly if it's at a 45 degree angle instead of completely upside down.) I wouldn't use a syringe because there isn't a tip that would be long enough. However, it you insist on trying, I'd recommend using a large gauge needle (ie. 18-22 gauge, needles that are more narrow can't pull up such a viscous liquid). If you really want to dilute the gloss, use a thin oil. Hope this helps. (BTW, my husband and I have PhDs and work in labs).
More of a Colourpop fan myself, this Kylie stuff just doesn't seem worth it at all unless you just like stuff with a celebrity's name on it.
I wonder if heating the lip products, would make it easier to remove from the tube.
I make it a point to watch from beginning to end. Can't make an educated opinion/decision watching just bits and pieces, right?
+kris Swan correct! Thanks for watching 😘
don't be so hard on yourselves!
If you marked where the product was in the tube, then got it out, you could pour water in there to that level and find out how many mL that is. This could also provide a "double checking" method.
It wouldn't be an interesting video, but how about just taping a tube upside down on top of the measuring cylinder and leaving it for a few days to set? Having it drip naturally, it could also move from the sides? Give it a shake like 2 times a day? and taping it well that it won't dry.
That was my thought as well. It might take a while, but I think it would eventually be effective.
another good one I saw in the comments was measuring with a stick how high does the product go and then emptying the tube and filling it up to the mark on the stick and measuring the amount of water.
could you try this with the Jeffree Star liquid lipsticks? From your past videos his products seem to go over the amount stated on the box, and I'm curious whether it's the same with his liquid lipsticks.
+Claudia Parsons we have a new Jeffree Star Liquid Lipstick on standby for when we discover a good way to extract the product without screwing up the results :)
I've accidentally dropped a Jeffree Star Liquid Lipstick and it went everywhere, it was a really thin consistency. Could you break it in a bowl and then try to pour it out, scrape the sides of the tube and pick out the bottle bits with tweezers?
Try to washout one of the lipstick containers and see how much it weighs. Then you can take the one full of product, measure it, then subtract the weight of the empty bottle from it. (Sorry if this is a stupid idea😬)
It might not be accurate 😂
Maybe use saline solution instead of alcohol so it doesnt evaporate?
I appreciate the genuine effort, even though it didn't work out. Thank you for deciding to still post this video. ❤
It might take fucking long, but maybe leaving the tube upside down to allow the product to drip out into the measuring tube?
Viviana Gonzalez that wiuldnt work with liquiq lipstick
Viviana Gonzalez it would be dried up.
Honestly it's a makeup breakup a day early for me! Still very fun to watch, absolutely cannot wait to watch the stuff you guys post, brightens my whole day ❤️❤️❤️
the method is fine, I think the solution you're using just isn't dissolving the lip products well enough. I would try maybe acetone? (nail Polish remover) or even micellar water to clean it out?
best of luck!!
I reckon acetone is worth a try
Micellar water would be far worse. Acetone would be stronger, but also might dissolve some of the plastic from inside the container into the solution. Probably not enough to significantly affect the reading, so It's a better choice. But it's also possible that 100% alcohol would still work if allowed more time to dissolve the product, and if the product is warmed first since there are waxes in the formula.
The best thing about this video is all the scientific discussion it's stirred up! Well done!
Could you hold the tube into warm or hot water and pour it out ?
Jessica C Good idea!!
You might be convinced this was bad, but it was actually really interesting! As a beauty professional in training this was really educational actually, seeing different consistencies with different products. Don't be hard on yourselves, you're lovely ladies and I quite enjoyed this! ♡
this is definitely not a fail! awesome idea! :):) this was great to watch, very interesting! :)
I love that you guys do so much for us people who love watching your videos! These videos satisfy my brain, along with your accents, I'm in heaven!! Lol.
Can you break up ELF products? Love from Charlotte, North Carolina, USA!!!
mswackygirl369 They have a poor selection of Elf products available in Australia apparently I think they mention in a recent video of Beauty news and that's why they don't feature Elf.
+mswackygirl369 ELF is on our list of products to look in to :) our selection here is very limited but we know many people would like to see something from the brand
NC represent!
I don't mind how messed up this was, I love this. All your videos amaze me. It never fails. You two make me want to cut my makeup open but I'm too scared lol.
Don't feel bad about this not working well, trial and error is party of science.
Hello ladies. First of all, thank you for taking the time to go through with this - you clearly put in a LOT of effort into this video. One thing you could try (if you're not planning on saving the product) is using the mathematical conversion of ml's to grams and weigh before and after. Then convert it again to ml's. Might give you a more accurate idea of how much is in there. A good way to remove the product is maybe to use a syringe to remove as much as possible first, then adding in the alcohol. And for gloss, to warm it up first, to liquefy whatever oils are present in the formula. Hope this helps. 👍🏽 Great work on this video.
You could try melting the product (while it is still in the tube) and then pouring it in to a measuring cylinder
You did your best! Hopefully someone has a good suggestion and you find a less frustrating way to redo it in the future. :)
At least you fucking tried! Thank you for that👌
Thank you 😘
I second the melting option, the liquid matte would dry so hard to break down. Thanks ladies for giving it a go! I still think it was interesting to watch 😊
"I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work." ~ Thomas Edison
of all the people you had to quote, it was a thief, conman, and animal murderer?
Fair play guys for still posting your fail! Loved it!
maybe you could try with oil instead of alcohol?
Use a something called a spatty its small enough to go inside the bottle. The lady that made them was in shark tank. They are sold at Walmart in the US, in the makeup section. Love you guys, just started watch but you all are so real and that's what I like.
Hey girls, I'm a SeneGence distributor and would love to donate a LipSense tube when you've figured out the best method to remove product. LipSense comes in a huge 7.393ml tube and we boast that about how much value customers get with our product for the price ($34) . The pigment is suspended in SD40 alcohol making it very thin which might make it easier to remove from the tube.
Ps. also loved your video on airless pumps as many of our skin care and cosmetics come in this packaging.
That's definitely a nice TRY, but what a MESS...but honestly you are proving there is hardly any product in the lipsticks...and honestly you are the ONLY one's who I have seen even try to see what is in the tubes...so kudos to you!
SOLID..... solid as a rock!!
YAAAAS
absolutely obsessed with your makeup breakup videos 👏🏾👏🏾😁
Even if what you were trying to do failed, you can at least conclude that you will NEVER get to use the full amount of product that is supposedly in a tube. You used alcohol to break down the product and you still couldn't get it out. Even if the tube is full and you actually get the entire 3mL, you'll be lucky if you get 1mL out of it because it's stuck to the container. This product is not worth the hype. Thank you for making these video's! This wasn't a fail in my opinion! I can't tell in the video, but are all those tubes the same exact size? If so, do you know why they all say they contain different amounts?
With the opening of the bottle facing away from you and into a container, like the graduated cylinder. Spin around in a circle with it in your hands to use centripetal force to pull all of the product out of the bottles. Hope this helps
maybe try coconut oil next time.
I'm addicted to you saying 'to' as 'chu'. It's so cute haha
IM EARLY FOR ONCE!!
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I would've just tried to pull it out with a seringe and a needle? You might need a thicker type of needle as the product my be a little thicker in consistency, but seringes are probable the best way to measure liquids (espescially for thin tubes like lipgloss). Even for transferring it into the type of tubes you normally use.
Too many chemistry majors in the comment section 😅
There just something so satisfying about watching these makeup breakups
Why didn't you just weight the tube before and after its empty? You can convert g on ml easily, it would be much better
ManuASMR grams is mass, mL is volume. Not something you can do without finding out the density
Megan Durka d=m/v
ManuASMR you can't figure that out without at least 2 variables and they are struggling to get just one
another suggestion(will not work if the alcohol reacted with one of the ingridients but worth a try) - just leave the tubes open in a warm place and let the isopropyl ethanol evaporate fully , then do the measurment.
Why not just measure the tube with product in - then wash it out with hot water/ soap/ oil makeup remover and then measure the empty tube.... it's pretty straightforward:/
Ioana Crina Pal The tube isn't measured in weight (:
Ioana Crina Pal yeah measure the volume of the tube. That's what I was thinking
Because they are trying to see how much she actually put into it that way they won’t be able to see if the product is short or not since the liquid lipstick it’s self wont weigh the same as what’s actually in it
Cause that only works for products measured by weight. Not as straight forward as you thought, eh? /:
Ioana Crina Pal that wouldn’t work
Great tip you can try: If you have a Makeup Forever PRO store near you (or you can try to get it online), get their Airbrush Foundation Thinner, it's a slightly oily liquid that helps thin out makeup products, I use a lil bit everytime my liquid lipsticks are finishing or to thin out thick foundations or on dried up mascaras/ gel liners :)
You can add any liquid (water for example) measure the precise amount you added until the tube is full. Then clean the tube out fill it with the liquid completely and measure. Then subtract the amount of liquid initially added which should leave you with the volume of the product.
hey guys this was a great try!!! maybe try heating up the tube with warm/boiling water. the plastic shouldnt melt if the heat tranfers through to the liquid inside properly. 😊
try destroying some cheaper glosses before experimenting on more expensive ones. id love to see you do milani or nyx. 😊😊
ps: since i was one of the people who requested this makeup breakup i just wanted to thank you for trying! 😘😘
Don't know if this has been suggested yet, but you can weigh a completely empty, clean container of the brand you're testing, weigh the other full tubes, and subtract the weight of the empty tube. You'll have to buy extra product for this, but it'll save you the hassle of trying to empty every single tube. But it is really fun to watch you two destroy makeup! :D
That tests weight, we want to test volume x
This might be my favorite RUclips channel 😩 I just discovered it yesterday lol
Welcome to the family Jackie x
can you guys do a video of a second attempt of this. maybe warm it up so it melts? I'm still curious how much is in it!
We definitely will in the future x
yay thank so much! I think you guys are great btw! (:
The special effects industry uses naphtha to thin down oil paints, I am sure that would work. Also I have used petroleum distillate to break up oil and pigment from fabric. Works wonders. Maybe a good application for what you are attempting.
You guys are like the mythbusters of makeup
I know I'm too late, but you might try something that dissolves make-up. These can be any liquidy oils, two-phase make-up removers, even micelllar water. The same liquids can be used to measure foundations.
I discovered your videos a couple days ago and have been binge watching. Probably someone has already commented this but VOLUMES DON'T ADD UP! You can try it youself with ethanol and water. Mesure a bit of each and you'll see when you mix them the volume si less than you expected. That happens because the smaller molecules fill the spaces between the bigger ones, kinda like if you where to put sand in a container filled with rocks. Hope this is helpful 😌
Yeah we did realise that after we did it. Ah well, it was an epic fail haha
It was really entertaining to watch anyway, I'm addicted to your channel now 😅
You could try measuring it with water displacement? If you can clean one out well (without measuring, just get the product out), you can then have a graduated cylinder with 10ml water, drop in the empty container and note the increase. Put the full tube in a 10ml cylinder and measure the increase and compare! It's way cleaner and the second (full) tube won't be wasted/opened at all!
Put the whole tube with the product in water ( make sure the water fills the tube). Put an empty tube in water and measure the difference.
Look at all your smart viewers! Yep my suggestion is like everyone else's. Put in it boiling water. Seeing how all my liquid lipsticks melt in Perth heat, that's all I can think of. You could find and use a thin syringe to get it out, that way it measures as well. Great job ladies, always love the fails! It's how you learn
Its good to know how much product is in there but if we can only get out half of it to put on our lips it doesnt matter this much. I have some Kylie liquid lipsticks and they are ok. The best one thou is Pat Mcgrath’ liquid lust , i think they still have the 3 darker colors at Sephora , now she has glosses and lipsticks , i hope she makes the liquid lipsticks. They’re pricey but Kylie’s are too and you cant feel Pat’s ones on your lips and they stay put all day ! Im so in love with them
This might seem far-fetched but what if you weigh the full tube then remove exactly 1ml of product and weigh again. This will allow you to calculate how much a ml weighs. Then empty the tube thoroughly and weigh it. By using the weight of 1ml and the weight of the tube, you can calculate how many mls are in each tube.
warm them up in a bowl of hot water! also, saline solution might work with the method you tried here? love these videos, looking forward to more!
What you need to do is get yourself a saw and freeze the lipstick, once it's frozen, use your saw to cut the tube open and then easily slide the product out. The point of freezing it is so that there isn't a huge mess and you don't get the lipstick everywhere from moving the saw back and forth. Idk if the freezing would alter the formula though.
Going real simple, warm to hot water bath for the tube until consistency thins.
If you are not going to use the product after I would suggest using a Dremel saw to carefully saw off the top or bottom of tube whichever you like.
That should allow you to remove all the product from the tube without affecting volume.
You can fill the newly opened product with water using pipette to count how much ml used to fill the lipstick fully than clean all the product then fill it with water using the same method. Last measured ml-first measured should be equal the product itself.
Would it not work to measure the full item, swatch until it is empty, then measure the empty tube? The gram to milliliter conversion would probably be enough to get a good idea of how much is in it.
Do you guys use the product after the video when you repress them. Like eyeshadow,blush,bronzer,contour, etc...
We do use the products we repress :)
maybe im late to the party with suggestions, but pure acetone might work. a lot of liquid makeups contain polymers. acetone breaks down most plastics so it might work, just account for the tube sloughing when you do it.
I really like these videos, not just because you find out how much you actually get, but it sort of demystifies the product so I'm not feeling like "omg I have to buy that name brand product or my life is meaningless!" 😆
Have you thought of Using a syringe & syringe extender. Pump air into it to gain pressure then it should repel back. You are get these through your pharmacy. It picks up the consistency of lactulose it should pick up these. Good luck. ( ps we use these in nursing to give us accurate dose of medication, just a suggestion )
In the lab we use a small vortexer to mix things well. I'd add water or a thin oil and vortex it to break it down. They are rather inexpensive piece of equipment.
Love your videos. my suggestion, since alcohol does evaporate at room temperature, would be to use an oil to break down a liquid lipstick. Most people use oil to remove liquid lipsticks so I think it would help break it down more without the risk of evaporation :)
Are you able to weigh the tube before any tampering and then scrape it out with the spatula and re weigh like you do with pressed powder? Would that work? Just keep scraping and rinsing until the tube is clean. You can just convert gram to ml can't you? Or no?
Sadly you can't just covert grams to mls
BEAUTY NEWS ahh! What do you know more annoying complications involving Kylie products
Maybe a Dental Lab Vibrator can help? We use them to get air bubbles out of plaster for model and metal work. It also makes thick plaster run easily due to the vibration.
Suggestion -
Step 1 - weigh bottle with product in it
Step 2 - work out how much 1 ml of product weighs without adding alcohol, oil, etc (scraping, dripping, whatever).
Step 3 - clean out bottle with whatever product you want /can, it won't matter about collecting the product together
Step 4 - once clean and empty reweigh the bottle. Step 5 - divide the difference by the 1ml product weight ^_^
Have you thought of sitting the tubes in a glass of hot water before adding alcohol and removal? The heat may loosen the product enough. Just a thought.