@@gunslanger1200 I have one , purchased it during the .22 shortage. I have not shot it even after watching multiple reviews. I just wanted to up the ante on the failure game lol
It is kind of funny to offer your typical .22lr lever gun about same(more expensice) price but without rifling. Designed to shoot only 22lr shotshells to max range 10 yards and normal 22lr ammo will be accurate as round ball from smoothbore musket. Yes it will not poke holes to your walls or cause harm to innocent creatures on background. But overally i think that gun is mostly pointless.
They produce tighter groupers in revolvers. The rifling in the long barrel imparts a spin to the bbs which slings them wild when they come out of the barrel. Shorter barrel means less time for the rifling to affect the bb's. Henry's smoothbore lever action is the most effective option. I use 22 mag shotshells in my NAA Pug and at 5ft they are very effective on water moccasins.
I have a heritage revolver that works pretty well. But have also had success with .357 revolvers and 9mm automatics. Though for the cost of shot I have also used my 410 and when all else fails grab a shovel 😂
As soon as you said starting at 10 yds, I knew what was going to happen. This stuff is used at more like 10 ft or less, on rats or snakes. We always called it rat shot here. But I've seen it used more for snakes, typically right in front of you.
I honestly thought this guy was trying to make a joke when he said we will start at 10 yds and step it back from there to 100 yds though noone could know that little about firearms.
Henry makes a specific gun for this specific ammo called the “Garden Gun”. It is all black and is a smooth bore lever action rifle. These shotshells are really meant for a smoothbore firearm.
Does anyone make a 22mag smooth bore? I think this is just a case of 'this is cool, lets make it in all these calibers so we can sell it' not caring if it's actually effective in the different calibers. I'm pretty sure I recall seeing it shot in a larger caliber, maybe .45LC or 9mm with decent, though short range, results.
@@danieljohnson5849 its uses? Please tell the world what miraculous uses it has. I'm just sure you use it all the time for tons of stuff. Like WTW said if you can get that close to something, REALLY freaking small, I could kill it with my foot, hand, shovel, etc.. Its NOT going through bone or hide! Any adult should know that!
I have heard it called Snake Shot. I know out of a pistol at close range it works like it is suppose to. It will do a number on a snake with no problem.
Exactly. If you're going to be out in the woods and have a revolver loaded with it you will be happy to have it when the copperheads and rattlesnakes show up...
I use it in the summer to take out many copperheads and am usually right on top of them and I keep my heritage revolver loaded it it all summer. Nobody's using this stuff at 5 yards and certainly not 10!
I have used them for snakes at close range (at my feet) because I would not be able to hit the snake with regular type bullets. When I come up on a snake that close, I generally am high up in the air and squealing like a little girl.
Larry. Shooting snakes is pretty easy if you know how. If you come upon a snake (you got to be going slow), when you see him back off a bit, and holding your rifle in one hand like a pistol, very slowly ease the muzzle toward the snake. Before long he will sense the presence of something getting closer, and flicking out his tongue to get a smell of what it is, as soon as you see his head align with the barrel of your gun, gently squeeze off a shot. The snake himself will do all the aiming, you just watch till he's all lined up, and blow his head clean off. Had a friend who used to get all kinds of rattlesnakes that way. Way back when VA was paying a bounty. Please don't shoot milk snakes or rat snakes, they're too pretty to die before their time. Rattlers and water snakes are mean tempered, when I was a boy them big ugly black water snakes were everywhere. There were places near the water you couldn't sneak in close enough to fish. Beat the shore line with a stick and see them splash into the water. Thick as the tires on my 26 inch Schwinn, and eager to bite. Hated the sight of them. Now for some reason they're all gone.
I've busted a short fat copperhead with a .22-250 once standing 40 feet away. Never though there were enough innards inside of a snake to spray out all over the bank next to a creek like that?
@@joefudd Snakes would be lying along the bank next to the water. Striking the ground with a large stick would cause a sudden thump that had them leaping into the water and swimming off. No innards were sprayed out. Not a creek, it was two large ponds where one poured into the other. It was spring fed and loaded with big fat yellow perch. Perch scales are hard to get off. Once I learned how to skin them they became my favorite fish. A tornado went through in 1953 and blew a tree down just over the water. I was 10 at the time. I'd walk out among the limbs and lower a hook into the water with some old black braided fishing line with a small wad of chewing gum pressed on so it covered the hook. I'd watch till a yellow perch would come up and take the gum into his mouth, then give a quick jerk on the line and up he'd come fighting like crazy. Fry them in butter in an old sheet metal frying pan that were common during the war with the shortage of steel. Cooked over a fire of sticks and twigs. Had to be careful as the thin steel would develop hot spots that would burn the butter real quick. Fish cooked right out of the water like that was the best tasting ever. People ate a lot of mayonnaise sandwiches after the war. Money was hard to come by, and the fish were free. Gasoline then was 9 cents a gallon. Pull up to a pump and say "Gimme three gallons," and you hope the guy didn't accidentally put in too much because 27 cents was all you could afford. My friend Bill who was married and a lot older than me bought a house for $500. Don't remember how much he put down but his payments were $12 a month. Imagine?
.38 special rat shot in my .357 security six will blister a target/ snake at 10 yds. .22 rat shot leaves a little to be desired, but cummon it's a .22lr trying to fire what 50 something pellets. .22 rat will room temperatureize a feline at 8 yds.
The rifling in your barrel is actually spiraling the shot and causing it to open up quite considerably on the group size. If that was shot from a smooth bore or from a very short barrel it would have a nice tight group of pellets at least much better than what you're getting. The long rifled barrel is really killing that round.
I use them in my Sears 101 smooth bore rifle from the 30's. It will occasionally break a clay pigeon sitting on edge at 13 yards. 15 yards no way. 12 and in is a good bet. Under 10 is 100%. Use it on the farm while mowing for popping gophers cutting the grass
@@1776Angry I just picture you driving your riding mower, with a 22 Mag rifle, randomly shooting gophers as you mow, while Bluegrass music plays in the background. Cue the Bluegrass
.22 shotshells are ideal for dispatching snakes, rats, mice etc at several feet distance. If you expect them to perform like shotguns and bring down quail at 40-yards, you will be disappointed.
O.K. So now you actually know someone that has successfully used this product. Me. Open up your hood. Rat nest right alongside your carburetor. From about 6 feet, shoot directly at the rat, hoses, wiring and all. Only damage; DEAD RAT! I wouldn't be without these excellent shells. Work every time!!!
My grandma carried one that was a break down single shot ....she had it cut down and carried it over her shoulder hanging around her hip.....she could shoot snakes and rabbit s one handed... between strawberry rows
The "rifling" in both a pistol and a rifle, spins and spirals the shot away from your target the farther you stand as you proved. Also, they used to sell basic .22 "long rifle" with an extended crimped brass shot shells so, much smaller shot and also the amount of shot, but they worked close up.
The only time I ever saw this it was at a friends house who lived way out in the hills and they called it “snake shot” lol. They used it to kill all the rattlesnakes they’d stumble across every summer.
@@sirich7751 because some of us live where things like that are far away. You don’t call pest control when a couger is after your live stock, you don’t call them when a rattlesnake is in your yard either.
Bad thing is I grew up with two brothers that got in a fight and one shot the other in the shoulder with 22 rat shot didn't mess him up to bad but nasty scars
I used this to dispatch a moccasin after some flooding. Used an H&R single action with 22 mag cylinder. Distance was about 6 feet. Snake didn't even wiggle. Worked very well. Later did patterning and at 6 feet, the pattern was very good for varmint sized critters.
Years ago as a young almost teenager I would "go exploring in the woods." There was a dog that would try to sneak up on me and then charge out barking. He would scare everything off. So, 22 pistol with some rat shot loaded up in my pocket, I set off one after-school afternoon. I had a plan. I let him get close and then I took off runnin in the opposite direction like I was scared. He was absolutely pleased with himself and started his chase. I let him get close and, pistol in hand, I 180'd on him. I growled back at him, fired the 1st shot in the dirt and when he turned to run, I dusted his backside. Never saw him again. Didn't want to blind him or kill him, just stop him from ruining my afternoon outings. Never was able to hit a rat with it, but those attempts were always at night in the open air chicken coop (no lights) where those big rats liked to kill and eat chickens. Had to use something else for that.
The reason they spread so much is the rifling. They actually pattern Bette rout of pistols because the shot experiences less rotation through the barrel.
I have shot 44 shotshells I reloaded out of a Taurus Tracker with 3 inches of rifling and one inch or port and the rifling still screws up the pattern.
It's made to sit in your car and stop carjackers don't have to worry about a bullet traveling across the field somewhere and hitting public and a face shop it works really good
I used to use CCI shotshells in 22lr when bush hogging to kill field mice and the occasional snake, shooting while in motion from the tractor seat. 98% one shot kills from 8-10 yards were the norm, hardly ever needed a follow up shot. I started with a Ruger MkII, but the shells weren't strong enough to cycle the action, effectively turning it into a single shot pistol. I then switched over to my Ruger Single Six revolver, and was off to the races ! Honestly, I can't remember ever having as much fun shooting as that. Starting from the outside of the pasture and mowing toward the inside, those mice would make a run for it just as soon as I'd run up on them - snap shooting, for sure ! This was about 20 or so years ago, so I don't know if CCI has changed their shot formula since then, but boy did they shoot great out of my guns back then - Loved it !
For pest control? My father and mother married in 1947. Until 1964 they had 1 or 2 mothers-in-law living with them. In one of those days in that time one of the old women was asleep on her bed when my momma saw a snake crawl under the bed. She alerted dad to the snake. He loaded a 22LR shotshell in his rifle, got down on the floor, found the snake where it was hiding, shot it and killed it. The old woman kept on sleeping. Range was about 1 ft.
I have used the 22LR shotshells to kill pigeons indoors at close range. They won't eject from most semi autos because of length. I was using a Ruger Super Single Six revolver. They work well dispatching an animal in a live trap without damage to the trap. I have reloaded my own for 44 magnum and 357 but both are strictly a short range deal. I did shoot a grouse with one out of my Ruger 44 carbine but missed another with a revolver. They are what they are. Some uses, particularly indoors where you need to minimize damage or to shoot something at very close range with minimal chance or ricochet.
I use this round for the grey squirrels that damage my property. I have shot them from about two to four yards with and old .22 revolver. They don't survive the blast and they do no more damage. I've also used this round to dispatch a rattle snake in the saddle shed. I'm not as brave as you, after looking at the six stitches my brother got in his hand where the squirrel he grabbed bit him, I decided I would use birdshot and not grab those fellows. One afternoon I saw a squirrel go up the cherry tree. I walked out to discourage him from eating my fruit. He was about seven feet away looking and daring me. I dispatched him to the lawn below, as I was reloading I realized that I had taken him with a Winchester Super X .22 birdshot that I have been carrying around for over 40 years. You can say what you want, but I like this round for these destructive critters and I will continue to use it no matter the RUclips review. For me this is the right ammo at the right place at the right time.
I've used it quite a few times in 22lr and when checking stands before bow season I've used it in 357. It's great when you surprise a rattler in a shoot house. Still at close range.
My grandmother used to keep a .22lr revolver loaded with this stuff just for the neighbor's dogs. They'd leave the yard in a hurry. Was different times back then. Lol
My old man stuck with a pellet-gun to deal with a local dope-dealers aggressive Chow (88-92 in Memphis), and the dog was able to learn without dying. One should never hurt animals.
I had trouble with a neighbor's cat tunneling under the house and spraying about 30 years ago. I had some 44 magnum shot shells. At 40 feet they will make a cat squall. Yep different times...now I throw rocks at them. Neighbor animals suck.
@@ghostwriter1415 Actually .22lr Shotshell outside of direct muzzle contact is less lethal than a BB gun. It's more like rock salt than actual shot. The shot material generally goes poof upon solid resistance. A hit with .22lr Shotshell is far less likely to injury a dog than a BB. A BB would be more likely to penetrate the skin and cause issues/ infections.
@@ghostwriter1415 then the animals should stay where there supposed to be. If we are talking domestic animals. And wild animals how are you going to hunt and eat them if you don't hurt them?
You need to get your hands on a "Garden Gun". These are smooth bored and are available in nine millimetre. These cartridges contain "Dust Shot" like you were using. The paper case is weakened near the brass of the cartridge and upon firing it behaves like a "Cut Shell" and the lead payload is contained in the paper casing. When it hits a hard surface the paper container bursts and sends a charge of "Dust Shot" in every direction like mini shrapnel. It is normally used to protect orchards from small bird plant destruction. I believe it may have a usable range of 15 to 20 yards and can be used against other pests like rats or starlings. The rifling in your .22 magnum spread that shot very rapidly. You need straight rifling or a smooth bore. The smooth bore is available in .22 LR for mini clay shooting. I hope you can find one.
About 60 years ago we called the .22lr bird shot. The .38 or .45 were called snake loads. They were meant for close range, 5 ft or less. I have shot birds with it and a few mice a long time ago.
Can also add a length of pvc pipe to end of 22 rifle barrel. Acts as a stretch of smooth bore, regrouping the shot - have read the snake shot can remain effective for rats and snakes beyond 25 yards.
We use them to try and sneak up on squirrels and chipmunks, and shoot them, without having to worry about where the bullet goes if we miss. And also they are fun to use out of a pistol when you flip hay bales, and look for mice, and when the mice try and run away, ya just shoot em with the birdshot.
Anyone with an ounce of compassion would NEVER shoot a squirrel with these. Squirrel are extremely tough, but these will penetrate their skin, and not kill them, but make the rest of their lives in agony. A true sport hunter tries for the most humane, quick kills. Most of my head shot squirrels never knew what hit them.
I carried 9mm shotshells in my Browning Hi Power in Idaho in the mid 1970's in the desert for last resort protection against rattlers. Did not have to worry about spread at greater than about 3 yards because I could back away. Also carried a snake stick. Also, as others have said, we called it snake shot.
I forgot to mention: I did the same type of pattern test that you did. Only with a big sheet of cardboard. I put the cardboard right up to the gopher's hole. I test fired, two of those rounds. I was, of course disappointed both times. I figured that if that gopher continued to peek it's head up. One of these pellets MIGHT find it's mark. I had only about 4 of those things left. I once again had an opportunity to shoot that SOB. This time, when I fired, the gopher dove back down into it's hole. I never saw it again. So MAYBE, on my 4th to the last shot, one of those pellets finally hit it's target. I still have 3 cartridges of thar shit left, & have no idea & no use for them. It took nearly a whole box of those to rid myself of that garden muncher. It SHOULD HAVE only taken ONE CARTRIDGE.
Because that would assume you had a basic level of understanding about the world. That's not what the modern world is about anymore, and you can make any kind of baseless claim, so long as it's hard-hitting and "on brand". Look at both aisles of the (US) Gov't, ANY major news outlet...
I know people who use this stuff in .22 revolvers. The short range nature of the shotshell's capability limits them to use in handguns, which is their primary usage. Now, Henry makes a modern version of the Garden Gun in .22 LR that's a smoothbore which is optimized for use with these shotshells for pest control. And those actually do quite well as they aren't as loud as regular shotshells in even a .410 but effective enough to take down small pests like typical rodents or hedgehogs. The larger shotshells in calibers like .44 and .45 tend to house larger sized shot, which just like the .22 and .22 WMR ones it's still a close range kind of deal. I've tested the .45 stuff in my Raging Judge before when comparing it to .410 shotshell loads that were not intended for use in a handgun. At 4 yards or so, the typical .410 #6 shot held a tighter pattern with more pellets on target. I saw no further use for them after that. I suppose if you had a .45 Colt revolver that wasn't a Judge it would make a bit more sense but it's still very niche. If you were going outdoors and trying to prepare for every eventuality of what you may encounter I could see packing a few of these for a potential run in with a snake in a revolver. But if you could get away with just toting a shotgun, I think you'd be better served that way.
Same here, my little revolver patterns the Federal 22 cal. crimped end shot shells tighter than the CCI, even though the CCI rounds have a few more grains of shot.
@@WHOTEEWHO 5 to 10 feet with the rifle, but 10 to 15 feet with a revolver ....................................stays tighter with a shorter barrel, believe it or not
In the early 80s my dad chased a home invader out of our house in the middle of the night with these (22 LR). The fact that the assailant knew he was being shot at was enough to drive him out of a window like a mad animal. Fortunately he never stopped to contemplate the rounds that were hitting him :) Dad didn't want to kill anyone if he could help it, which is why he used these rounds. I imagine they're pretty useless at anything else.
That one yard spread is perfect for shooting a snake head, which is exactly where a bullet fails due to sight offset and being in a hurry. Try that "quick, shoot exactly 1.5 inches above the snake head, or was it 3/4 inch on this gun?". Just use the barrel as a quick sight and you'll hit. And realistically, that tiny shot coming out of a 22LR won't hold a useful velocity for more than about 15 yards anyway, even if you had a smooth bore. The air resistance is brutal on those tiny pellets. It was never meant for anything besides something small and close.
That Pest Control was originally made to shoot rats and snakes in close proximity 5 or 10 feet at most it was never made to be shot out of a rifle let alone from 10 yards people used it inside their barns out on walking trips in small revolvers and even occasionally inside their homes can't be too disappointed in a round that you have no idea how to use
Just saw you’re comments on shot shells! I thought I might throw out my experience. I shoot rats, snakes with pistols, auto and revolvers. I am up to about 300 in the rat sector and 9 in snakes! I find it to be a great round in 22 lr, 22 longs and 22 mag. I shoot all three and have only 1000 left in stock. Great rounds!!!
Back in the 90’s, I had an old RG revolver. When I started jogging, dogs would come at me. I drilled the rifling out of the barrel and it worked fine for 22 shotshells. Came later, the dogs would run when they saw me coming.
The cci shotshells are still pretty garbage out of garden guns, the old Remington's are by far the best but the modern Winchester shotshells are pretty good as well. Now out of a pistol it still throws shit like crazy but it's nice for real quick snap shots on rats and snakes up close.
Back in the 1930s gun makers started making what were called "garden guns". They were smooth bore .22 caliber rifles. They were developed to be used in town, in your garden or in barns and warehouses as pest control. We recently looked into purchasing one for pigeons in the barn. Henry is the only gun maker currently still offering one that we could find. But due to the covid B.S. we couldn't order one. According to videos I have seen the shot shells do not work well in a rifled barrel. Shot has to be used in a smooth barrel, like a shotgun.
I also forgot to mention that one time my dad came to visit and forgot to bring his shotgun. All I had at the time that I could loan him was a S&W 22A semi-auto pistol and some of these bird shot 22lr's. I will be danged if he didn't walk up to a tree, look up, see a grouse, and popped it with a 22lr shot shell. The bird fell down out of the tree and at his feet. A friend of mine had ten ducks he wanted me to brine and smoke for him. He couldn't slaughter them for some reason, so I brought the 22A with me and I would walk up to a duck, pop them in the head with the 22 shot shell. Piece of cake. Although he lived out of the city, his neighbors were still kind of close, so using a regular 22 round may not have a been too smart. They seem to work just fine if they are used for their intended purpose.
I've used it for starlings at my gramma house. I'd have to wait for them to come in to land. I'd have shots about 10-20 feet off the tip of the barrel. They would shoot a lot better out of a smooth barrel (and ruger made one) strictly for birdshot rounds
Tell ya what, I've taken quite a few rattlesnakes at relatively close range with a .410 loaded down with #6 shot, and quite a few more at close range with a 12 gauge loaded down with #6 shot... Vaporized the head, spared the meat. Made for some delicious summertime dinners, and vaporizing the head meant no chance of accidentally getting bitten while handling the snake to get it ready for the frying pan. These things are cute, and I hear stories from people who've used them (both in the comments and people I know in real life) but I wouldn't trust my life to them against a deadly snake. A rat, a pigeon, a black snake, hell even indoors against those, sure. I can see the value. But outside in the woods or on a fishing trip, you'd best believe I'm loaded up with my 12 gauge or .410.
This stuff is great for critters like snakes you may have gotten too close to and dont want to miss with a single bullet. This stuff is designed for under 10 foot engagements. Also rifled barrels will spread out any shot pellets where smooth bores are designed for it
@@sski I wish 5 or so I have 3 catchers in my hanger and I have to dump them at least 3 times a summer. That’s with me shooting dozens of them. They tear my buildings apart. Then the wood peckers come and tear up the wood to get to the bee larvae.
I've used CCI "rat shot" in a half dozen different cartridges for decades (for snakes while walking or when riding on the tractor) and can attest it works well for it's intended purpose in revolver & pistol barrels at short (10ish feet) distances. Not much use past that distance though. Have used it 22LR, 22WMR, 9mm, 38SPCL, 45ACP & 44Mag. In fact, I still carry a spare 45ACP magazine where the top 3 are CCI ratshot when walking around in the brush out at the farm.
They work great. You're not going to grab a rat by hand, you don't try to expect much beyond 2-3 yds. I've killed LOTS of rats with the 22 lr version, many with 22 mag. 100 yds? You're some expert!
In the 70's my friend and I would creep through patches of cedar trees in the winter with a 22 revolver in each hand - dropping sparrows left and right. What a blast that was! (the 22 shot shells back then were crimped on the end)
I agree 100%. I have some Federal .11 cal long rifle bird shot (crimped on the end, as opposed to the plastic cap) and it works extremely well. I came here today looking for some, and the only thing I can find is this CCI stuff that I personally know to be junk... so If I can't find any of the federal in 22 WRM I guess I'm stuck with 22 LR. Was hoping to get just a little more distance for some work close to a neighbors house where I prefer not to shoot regular rounds. I suppose I could step up to a .410 short.
Works great out to about twenty feet out of my ruger 22/45 with a four inch barrel. Many a east Texas snake has become worm food with that, but it rarely cycles
We bought a few ruger wranglers just to use these shot shells at the deer camp! Works great on snakes down here in Texas...past 3 or 5 yards pretty useless
Good old snake charmer rounds, they're great. They have a very specific range, no more than 5-10 feet, especially with a rifled barrel. I have indeed shot rats and mice with these rounds, instant kills. I tested the spread by shooting at my pond once, at 25 yards it has roughly a 20 foot spread because of the rifling, so they are absolutely shit at anything but point blank range, but that's the point. If you have a smoothbore .22 (they're around) you will get much tighter groups, but again, these aren't for any kind of ranged shooting and they don't exactly pack a wallop. It's a very specific tool for a very specific job, and it does that job well but only that job, and to expect otherwise is foolish.
These shot shells are good for swiftly expediting pests in limited situations (e.g., snakes or large rodents). They work great in revolvers and bolt or lever rifles. If you have rodent or other pest issues, the use of these shells will be very expensive and tedious.
I appreciate the video. I think as others have mentioned, the rifling makes the pattern open up. If you get a smooth bore it will be a bit tighter pattern. That would let you got out to roughly 25 or 30 feet away with relatively good results.
You don’t need a smooth bore for these Once I pulled a trick on a friend I had my 44 Mag pistol and a grouse flew up and set on a limb I pulled my 44 Mag out to shoot and my friend said nothing but feathers will be left. I told him I will just wing it real close and he will fall over dead. I shot and the grouse fell to the ground. My friend went over and could not find the big 44 Mag hole anywhere in the grouse. I repeated the stunt later down the trail. He said I was the best pistol shooter he ever seen. I told him I took my lessons from Annie Oakley. The 44 Mag with the 7.5 shot size CCI very effective on grouse for about 10 yards out of pistol.
About two decades ago, I picked up some .22 lr shot ammo for shitz and giggles. I fired it through a Remington 612 and a Savage Mark II SS. It seemed that the optimal range was 5' to 10'. HOWEVER, it said on the box that it was intended for a smoothbarrel. Putting a spin on the round will spread the shot pattern from centrifugal force. Teh pattern would likely be tighter when fired through a smoothbore. I think you should try firing it from a short barrel pistol. Typically a shot barrel will spread out teh shots, but I am thinking the shorter barrel may not impart as much spin (assuming the rifling twist is not too agressive) and therefore may not result in as wide a shot pattern. Something to consider. Also for cloe range pests, like a snake, I would think you would use a pistol rather than a rifle.
I used the 38 special version of those in my garage to kill a rattlesnake coiled up on my gun cart. I used my Ruger Vaquero revolver with a 5-1/2" barrel at about 7 feet. I got a good head shot to kill the snake and did not put a hole in my garage wall. I have them in my wheel gun whenever I am outdoors on my ranch, I alternate snake round with LRN in the cylinder. I'm very happy with their performance, keeping in mind their limitations (very short range).
I used to have what was called in the UK, a 9mm garden gun. Similar looking ammo. It had a smoothbore 22" barrel and was a really kid sized gun. However for shooting sitting rabbits on railway embankments it was pretty effective out to about 15 yards. Ammo was dirt cheap, it was quite handy when I was young. As others say, the rifling spreads the shot.
I've used birdshot in 22lr out of a Brno model 2 to great effect . Mainly in a commercial chicken shed ( empty at the time ). I also caught many rats by hand , it was fun when I was 12 . Getting within 5 yards of a rat is no guarantee of being able to catch it by hand . I even managed a rebound shot off of the corrugated iron roof of the shed onto a rat hidden on a ledge out of the direct line of fire . 5 to 7 metres is about the maximin use range . One pellet in the right spot is enough to get the job done on a rat .
The cci shot shell, that is fired at close range for snakes, use on walking trails or close range at camp sites. You would want to use at least a five and half to nine and a half inch barrel on a western style revolver, for best accuracy. This is what the cartridge, is intended for use. The cci shot shell, whether in 22 mag or 22 long rifle if employed at close range, works extremely well. On farther varmint shots use a hollow point round. Kevin Phoenix
Really useful at point blank range in a pistol for snakes and rats, been around a while. In my day it was referred to as rat or snake shot.
Yup. 22lr shotshells get stuck in my walther p22 though. Not reliable ejection or feeding at all.
Agreed I carry .22 shot shells for snakes around the property, definitely does the job!
I’m gonna try some in a zip-22.
@@lelandgaunt9985 wait you have a zip .22 that actually functions? Bahahaha
@@gunslanger1200
I have one , purchased it during the .22 shortage. I have not shot it even after watching multiple reviews. I just wanted to up the ante on the failure game lol
Henry makes a smooth bore lever gun. The rifling in your rifle makes that stuff go wild.
And if you look at Henry’s info it patterns horribly bad. Like 3’ at 5 yards. Almost the same as a rifles barrel.
@@shelbyoffrink4424 worthless over 10'
You mean the one they call the garden gun?
It is kind of funny to offer your typical .22lr lever gun about same(more expensice) price but without rifling.
Designed to shoot only 22lr shotshells to max range 10 yards and normal 22lr ammo will be accurate
as round ball from smoothbore musket.
Yes it will not poke holes to your walls or cause harm to innocent creatures on background.
But overally i think that gun is mostly pointless.
@@shelbyoffrink4424 I have one. It's better than that. I've shot alot of birds past 30 feet
I use them in my 22mag pocket pistol during early archery season. They work great at close range on a snake I almost stepped on.
They produce tighter groupers in revolvers. The rifling in the long barrel imparts a spin to the bbs which slings them wild when they come out of the barrel. Shorter barrel means less time for the rifling to affect the bb's. Henry's smoothbore lever action is the most effective option. I use 22 mag shotshells in my NAA Pug and at 5ft they are very effective on water moccasins.
Wait are you telling me that you don't shoot snakes from 30 ft away? that's crazy what if it jumps 30 ft and grabs you? Haha
I have a heritage revolver that works pretty well. But have also had success with .357 revolvers and 9mm automatics. Though for the cost of shot I have also used my 410 and when all else fails grab a shovel 😂
Freaky. I would have thought a rifle would give a tighter pattern than a handgun but what you're saying totally makes sense.
As soon as you said starting at 10 yds, I knew what was going to happen. This stuff is used at more like 10 ft or less, on rats or snakes. We always called it rat shot here. But I've seen it used more for snakes, typically right in front of you.
Me too.… When I saw that I thought am I just remembering wrong? Seems to me I don’t think I could pop a balloon at 10 yards with rat shot LOL ...
I honestly thought this guy was trying to make a joke when he said we will start at 10 yds and step it back from there to 100 yds though noone could know that little about firearms.
@@cnconrad7803 I know quite a bit but I never considered how much rifling in a long barrel could f this stuff up
Henry makes a specific gun for this specific ammo called the “Garden Gun”. It is all black and is a smooth bore lever action rifle. These shotshells are really meant for a smoothbore firearm.
The rifling makes it spread out in a wide circle instead of staying together as if it were shot out of a smooth bore
& the pellets are bouncing around that long barrel possibly losing velocity.
Agreed this guy is not familiar with the product or it's uses.
Does anyone make a 22mag smooth bore?
I think this is just a case of 'this is cool, lets make it in all these calibers so we can sell it' not caring if it's actually effective in the different calibers.
I'm pretty sure I recall seeing it shot in a larger caliber, maybe .45LC or 9mm with decent, though short range, results.
"Bouncing around in the barrel, losing velocity" 😆🤣😭 🙄🤐
@@danieljohnson5849 its uses? Please tell the world what miraculous uses it has. I'm just sure you use it all the time for tons of stuff. Like WTW said if you can get that close to something, REALLY freaking small, I could kill it with my foot, hand, shovel, etc.. Its NOT going through bone or hide! Any adult should know that!
We used to call those "snake loads" in Arizona. More or less for close proximity, like 5 to 10 feet.
I keep these in my yard gun for snakes. Typically if I'm shooting at a snake it's spitting distance.
@@slowturtle6745 Yup, that's what they're for, everyone that I know who used them it was for snakes..
yup we call them snake shot
I always knew them as "rat-shot" growing up. We always used them the same for snakes pretty close
i've always heard rat shot, that's what i use it for. 410 for snakes
I can personally attest to its performance in a revolver, shooting many water moccasins with it, back in the day.
I have heard it called Snake Shot. I know out of a pistol at close range it works like it is suppose to. It will do a number on a snake with no problem.
Me too, I never considered using it for anything that wasn't up close.
Did you live?
Exactly. If you're going to be out in the woods and have a revolver loaded with it you will be happy to have it when the copperheads and rattlesnakes show up...
I use it in the summer to take out many copperheads and am usually right on top of them and I keep my heritage revolver loaded it it all summer. Nobody's using this stuff at 5 yards and certainly not 10!
Next:
12 ga slug in a sawed-off worthless for grouse hunting.
Yea this video is useless lol
That's why I have 3 bbls for my 500
I can't imagine shooting a pest from any further than 3 or 4 yards at most.
Shot a ground squirrel at 200-220 before. . .
@@averyhollingsworth9351 yards?
@@zacharywheeler6605 centimeters lol
@@bobswagger6748 that’s believable! Lol I assume he’s bullshitting tho
@@averyhollingsworth9351 ...it closed the distance and attacked...
I have used them for snakes at close range (at my feet) because I would not be able to hit the snake with regular type bullets. When I come up on a snake that close, I generally am high up in the air and squealing like a little girl.
Larry. Shooting snakes is pretty easy if you know how. If you come upon a snake (you got to be going slow), when you see him back off a bit, and holding your rifle in one hand like a pistol, very slowly ease the muzzle toward the snake.
Before long he will sense the presence of something getting closer, and flicking out his tongue to get a smell of what it is, as soon as you see his head align with the barrel of your gun, gently squeeze off a shot.
The snake himself will do all the aiming, you just watch till he's all lined up, and blow his head clean off.
Had a friend who used to get all kinds of rattlesnakes that way. Way back when VA was paying a bounty.
Please don't shoot milk snakes or rat snakes, they're too pretty to die before their time.
Rattlers and water snakes are mean tempered, when I was a boy them big ugly black water snakes were everywhere.
There were places near the water you couldn't sneak in close enough to fish.
Beat the shore line with a stick and see them splash into the water. Thick as the tires on my 26 inch Schwinn, and eager to bite.
Hated the sight of them. Now for some reason they're all gone.
I've busted a short fat copperhead with a .22-250 once standing 40 feet away. Never though there were enough innards inside of a snake to spray out all over the bank next to a creek like that?
@@joefudd Snakes would be lying along the bank next to the water. Striking the ground with a large stick would cause a sudden thump that had them leaping into the water and swimming off. No innards were sprayed out.
Not a creek, it was two large ponds where one poured into the other. It was spring fed and loaded with big fat yellow perch.
Perch scales are hard to get off. Once I learned how to skin them they became my favorite fish.
A tornado went through in 1953 and blew a tree down just over the water. I was 10 at the time.
I'd walk out among the limbs and lower a hook into the water with some old black braided fishing line with a small wad of chewing gum pressed on so it covered the hook.
I'd watch till a yellow perch would come up and take the gum into his mouth, then give a quick jerk on the line and up he'd come fighting like crazy.
Fry them in butter in an old sheet metal frying pan that were common during the war with the shortage of steel.
Cooked over a fire of sticks and twigs. Had to be careful as the thin steel would develop hot spots that would burn the butter real quick.
Fish cooked right out of the water like that was the best tasting ever.
People ate a lot of mayonnaise sandwiches after the war. Money was hard to come by, and the fish were free.
Gasoline then was 9 cents a gallon. Pull up to a pump and say "Gimme three gallons," and you hope the guy didn't accidentally put in too much because 27 cents was all you could afford.
My friend Bill who was married and a lot older than me bought a house for $500. Don't remember how much he put down but his payments were $12 a month. Imagine?
.38 special rat shot in my .357 security six will blister a target/ snake at 10 yds.
.22 rat shot leaves a little to be desired, but cummon it's a .22lr trying to fire what 50 something pellets. .22 rat will room temperatureize a feline at 8 yds.
I walk around snakes. Carry for bear.
The rifling in your barrel is actually spiraling the shot and causing it to open up quite considerably on the group size. If that was shot from a smooth bore or from a very short barrel it would have a nice tight group of pellets at least much better than what you're getting. The long rifled barrel is really killing that round.
Hence why they seem to do better out of a revolver. That's what I use these in.
S&W model 614 with a 4" barrel.
I use them in my Sears 101 smooth bore rifle from the 30's. It will occasionally break a clay pigeon sitting on edge at 13 yards. 15 yards no way. 12 and in is a good bet. Under 10 is 100%. Use it on the farm while mowing for popping gophers cutting the grass
@@1776Angry I just picture you driving your riding mower, with a 22 Mag rifle, randomly shooting gophers as you mow, while Bluegrass music plays in the background.
Cue the Bluegrass
.22 shotshells are ideal for dispatching snakes, rats, mice etc at several feet distance. If you expect them to perform like shotguns and bring down quail at 40-yards, you will be disappointed.
O.K. So now you actually know someone that has successfully used this product.
Me.
Open up your hood. Rat nest right alongside your carburetor.
From about 6 feet, shoot directly at the rat, hoses, wiring and all.
Only damage; DEAD RAT!
I wouldn't be without these excellent shells.
Work every time!!!
Exactly this. Worked at a junkyard, we kept a heritage rough rider and a box of the federal 22lr shotshells on top of the toolbox
Henry makes an old time garden gun that is smooth bore and is what that ammo was originally made for.
My grandma carried one that was a break down single shot ....she had it cut down and carried it over her shoulder hanging around her hip.....she could shoot snakes and rabbit s one handed... between strawberry rows
The "rifling" in both a pistol and a rifle, spins and spirals the shot away from your target the farther you stand as you proved. Also, they used to sell basic .22 "long rifle" with an extended crimped brass shot shells so, much smaller shot and also the amount of shot, but they worked close up.
Yall beat me to it
Same reason a 410/45LC ,like the judge, rifling stops short so the bb's don't come out in a growing spiral
The only time I ever saw this it was at a friends house who lived way out in the hills and they called it “snake shot” lol. They used it to kill all the rattlesnakes they’d stumble across every summer.
I'm thinking a little derringer with .410 birdshot would be better if I had to shoot a snake.
@@miked2543 sure, but if all you have is a little .22lr plinker, it beats having to buy a whole new firearm.
I use it to kill field mice my cats bring inside alive.
Why shoot rattlesnakes? Talk about pest control that is their primary function.
@@sirich7751 because some of us live where things like that are far away. You don’t call pest control when a couger is after your live stock, you don’t call them when a rattlesnake is in your yard either.
We use it on the kids when they get rowdy. Cheap and effective
😂🤣😂 I'm going to give it a try 🤣😂🤣
You should. Its just good parenting, really.
Bad thing is I grew up with two brothers that got in a fight and one shot the other in the shoulder with 22 rat shot didn't mess him up to bad but nasty scars
Lmao may try that on my lil brother lol
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I used this to dispatch a moccasin after some flooding. Used an H&R single action with 22 mag cylinder. Distance was about 6 feet. Snake didn't even wiggle. Worked very well. Later did patterning and at 6 feet, the pattern was very good for varmint sized critters.
Years ago as a young almost teenager I would "go exploring in the woods." There was a dog that would try to sneak up on me and then charge out barking. He would scare everything off. So, 22 pistol with some rat shot loaded up in my pocket, I set off one after-school afternoon. I had a plan. I let him get close and then I took off runnin in the opposite direction like I was scared. He was absolutely pleased with himself and started his chase. I let him get close and, pistol in hand, I 180'd on him. I growled back at him, fired the 1st shot in the dirt and when he turned to run, I dusted his backside. Never saw him again. Didn't want to blind him or kill him, just stop him from ruining my afternoon outings. Never was able to hit a rat with it, but those attempts were always at night in the open air chicken coop (no lights) where those big rats liked to kill and eat chickens. Had to use something else for that.
The reason they spread so much is the rifling. They actually pattern Bette rout of pistols because the shot experiences less rotation through the barrel.
I have shot 44 shotshells I reloaded out of a Taurus Tracker with 3 inches of rifling and one inch or port and the rifling still screws up the pattern.
Those snake loads work great on rattlers at 5 to 10 feet. Open sights though, no zoomies.
It's made to sit in your car and stop carjackers don't have to worry about a bullet traveling across the field somewhere and hitting public and a face shop it works really good
I used to use CCI shotshells in 22lr when bush hogging to kill field mice and the occasional snake, shooting while in motion from the tractor seat. 98% one shot kills from 8-10 yards were the norm, hardly ever needed a follow up shot. I started with a Ruger MkII, but the shells weren't strong enough to cycle the action, effectively turning it into a single shot pistol. I then switched over to my Ruger Single Six revolver, and was off to the races ! Honestly, I can't remember ever having as much fun shooting as that. Starting from the outside of the pasture and mowing toward the inside, those mice would make a run for it just as soon as I'd run up on them - snap shooting, for sure ! This was about 20 or so years ago, so I don't know if CCI has changed their shot formula since then, but boy did they shoot great out of my guns back then - Loved it !
For pest control? My father and mother married in 1947. Until 1964 they had 1 or 2 mothers-in-law living with them. In one of those days in that time one of the old women was asleep on her bed when my momma saw a snake crawl under the bed. She alerted dad to the snake. He loaded a 22LR shotshell in his rifle, got down on the floor, found the snake where it was hiding, shot it and killed it. The old woman kept on sleeping. Range was about 1 ft.
I use them all the time for snakes and other critters trying to get in my chicken coops and barns works great for me out of my 22 revolver
That's exactly what I use. My pistol has 2 cylinders one for lr and the other for magnum. Never had a problem taking out snakes!
Same here,use it all the time on the farm. Works great. It's meant to be used at feet,not yards.
I'm in Florida. 4 acres with lots of pygmy rattlers. I blow their heads off at 1-3 ft out of my 40yo Saturday night RG revolver. Works great for me.
I carry it in a Heritage Rough Rider when I'm working around the yard for snakes. It's always worked fine for me.
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Does it work better than just a stick?
About 57 years ago when I was in Scouting, we learned to shoot skeet with 22 bird shot.
thanks for the idea!
Use a smooth bore garden gun for that, they're kinda hard to find but Henry is making one now.
They use #9 shot in that i think
They use #10-#12 shot in most cases
Me too.....I think it was a Remington 571 with a smooth bore barrel.
I have used the 22LR shotshells to kill pigeons indoors at close range. They won't eject from most semi autos because of length. I was using a Ruger Super Single Six revolver. They work well dispatching an animal in a live trap without damage to the trap. I have reloaded my own for 44 magnum and 357 but both are strictly a short range deal. I did shoot a grouse with one out of my Ruger 44 carbine but missed another with a revolver. They are what they are. Some uses, particularly indoors where you need to minimize damage or to shoot something at very close range with minimal chance or ricochet.
I use this round for the grey squirrels that damage my property. I have shot them from about two to four yards with and old .22 revolver. They don't survive the blast and they do no more damage. I've also used this round to dispatch a rattle snake in the saddle shed. I'm not as brave as you, after looking at the six stitches my brother got in his hand where the squirrel he grabbed bit him, I decided I would use birdshot and not grab those fellows. One afternoon I saw a squirrel go up the cherry tree. I walked out to discourage him from eating my fruit. He was about seven feet away looking and daring me. I dispatched him to the lawn below, as I was reloading I realized that I had taken him with a Winchester Super X .22 birdshot that I have been carrying around for over 40 years. You can say what you want, but I like this round for these destructive critters and I will continue to use it no matter the RUclips review. For me this is the right ammo at the right place at the right time.
Used them in my 40 to kill water moccasins in Florida. They did jam in my XD40, but did take several snakes.
I've used it quite a few times in 22lr and when checking stands before bow season I've used it in 357. It's great when you surprise a rattler in a shoot house. Still at close range.
My grandmother used to keep a .22lr revolver loaded with this stuff just for the neighbor's dogs. They'd leave the yard in a hurry. Was different times back then. Lol
Did the dogs survive? I hope so!
My old man stuck with a pellet-gun to deal with a local dope-dealers aggressive Chow (88-92 in Memphis), and the dog was able to learn without dying. One should never hurt animals.
I had trouble with a neighbor's cat tunneling under the house and spraying about 30 years ago. I had some 44 magnum shot shells. At 40 feet they will make a cat squall. Yep different times...now I throw rocks at them. Neighbor animals suck.
@@ghostwriter1415 Actually .22lr Shotshell outside of direct muzzle contact is less lethal than a BB gun. It's more like rock salt than actual shot. The shot material generally goes poof upon solid resistance. A hit with .22lr Shotshell is far less likely to injury a dog than a BB. A BB would be more likely to penetrate the skin and cause issues/ infections.
@@ghostwriter1415 then the animals should stay where there supposed to be. If we are talking domestic animals.
And wild animals how are you going to hunt and eat them if you don't hurt them?
You need to get your hands on a "Garden Gun". These are smooth bored and are available in nine millimetre. These cartridges contain "Dust Shot" like you were using. The paper case is weakened near the brass of the cartridge and upon firing it behaves like a "Cut Shell" and the lead payload is contained in the paper casing. When it hits a hard surface the paper container bursts and sends a charge of "Dust Shot" in every direction like mini shrapnel. It is normally used to protect orchards from small bird plant destruction. I believe it may have a usable range of 15 to 20 yards and can be used against other pests like rats or starlings. The rifling in your .22 magnum spread that shot very rapidly. You need straight rifling or a smooth bore. The smooth bore is available in .22 LR for mini clay shooting. I hope you can find one.
About 60 years ago we called the .22lr bird shot. The .38 or .45 were called snake loads. They were meant for close range, 5 ft or less. I have shot birds with it and a few mice a long time ago.
They are MUCH better through a smooth bore. Savage makes a smooth bore .22lr and Marlin once made a .22 mag smoothbore called the Garden gun.
Can also add a length of pvc pipe to end of 22 rifle barrel. Acts as a stretch of smooth bore, regrouping the shot - have read the snake shot can remain effective for rats and snakes beyond 25 yards.
We use them to try and sneak up on squirrels and chipmunks, and shoot them, without having to worry about where the bullet goes if we miss. And also they are fun to use out of a pistol when you flip hay bales, and look for mice, and when the mice try and run away, ya just shoot em with the birdshot.
Anyone with an ounce of compassion would NEVER shoot a squirrel with these. Squirrel are extremely tough, but these will penetrate their skin, and not kill them, but make the rest of their lives in agony. A true sport hunter tries for the most humane, quick kills. Most of my head shot squirrels never knew what hit them.
You are one sick puppy
You said you thought you was gonna take a shot at 100 yards lol you should look at the shell and know that's not going to happen
I use the CCI .357 shot shells to dispatch snakes… works GREAT! :-)
I carried 9mm shotshells in my Browning Hi Power in Idaho in the mid 1970's in the desert for last resort protection against rattlers. Did not have to worry about spread at greater than about 3 yards because I could back away. Also carried a snake stick. Also, as others have said, we called it snake shot.
I forgot to mention: I did the same type of pattern test that you did. Only with a big sheet of cardboard. I put the cardboard right up to the gopher's hole.
I test fired, two of those rounds. I was, of course disappointed both times.
I figured that if that gopher continued to peek it's head up. One of these pellets MIGHT find it's mark. I had only about 4 of those things left. I once again had an opportunity to shoot that SOB.
This time, when I fired, the gopher dove back down into it's hole. I never saw it again. So MAYBE, on my 4th to the last shot, one of those pellets finally hit it's target. I still have 3 cartridges of thar shit left, & have no idea & no use for them. It took nearly a whole box of those to rid myself of that garden muncher.
It SHOULD HAVE only taken ONE CARTRIDGE.
I use it all of the time for snakes, squirrels, and more. I love it. I use it in a Henry smooth bore .22.
Deadly on soda cans when I started my kids shooting, got them lots of hits before we moved to regular 22
Why don't you test things, according to its designed purpose?!?
Because that would assume you had a basic level of understanding about the world. That's not what the modern world is about anymore, and you can make any kind of baseless claim, so long as it's hard-hitting and "on brand". Look at both aisles of the (US) Gov't, ANY major news outlet...
I know people who use this stuff in .22 revolvers. The short range nature of the shotshell's capability limits them to use in handguns, which is their primary usage. Now, Henry makes a modern version of the Garden Gun in .22 LR that's a smoothbore which is optimized for use with these shotshells for pest control. And those actually do quite well as they aren't as loud as regular shotshells in even a .410 but effective enough to take down small pests like typical rodents or hedgehogs.
The larger shotshells in calibers like .44 and .45 tend to house larger sized shot, which just like the .22 and .22 WMR ones it's still a close range kind of deal. I've tested the .45 stuff in my Raging Judge before when comparing it to .410 shotshell loads that were not intended for use in a handgun. At 4 yards or so, the typical .410 #6 shot held a tighter pattern with more pellets on target. I saw no further use for them after that. I suppose if you had a .45 Colt revolver that wasn't a Judge it would make a bit more sense but it's still very niche. If you were going outdoors and trying to prepare for every eventuality of what you may encounter I could see packing a few of these for a potential run in with a snake in a revolver. But if you could get away with just toting a shotgun, I think you'd be better served that way.
I use this stuff exclusively for hunting squirrels. Only reliable way I've found for preserving the entire pelt/meat, head and all.
Good for 10to 15 foot max .I like the crimped rounds best. works Good on rats ,snake 🐍
Maybe 5 feet 😝
Same here, my little revolver patterns the Federal 22 cal. crimped end shot shells tighter than the CCI, even though the CCI rounds have a few more grains of shot.
@@WHOTEEWHO 5 to 10 feet with the rifle, but 10 to 15 feet with a revolver
....................................stays tighter with a shorter barrel, believe it or not
In the early 80s my dad chased a home invader out of our house in the middle of the night with these (22 LR). The fact that the assailant knew he was being shot at was enough to drive him out of a window like a mad animal. Fortunately he never stopped to contemplate the rounds that were hitting him :)
Dad didn't want to kill anyone if he could help it, which is why he used these rounds. I imagine they're pretty useless at anything else.
He put the whole family at risk, if the invader had called his bluff you'd all be gonners
@@evocati6523 She may complain later, BUT IN THE MOMENT, she wants that varmint GONE.
Don’t buy, I’ll buy it
I was 10 yrs old with a single shot rifle and new the distances
When I was growing up it was called rat shot made to kill rats at close range like a couple of feet from a pistol.
That one yard spread is perfect for shooting a snake head, which is exactly where a bullet fails due to sight offset and being in a hurry.
Try that "quick, shoot exactly 1.5 inches above the snake head, or was it 3/4 inch on this gun?". Just use the barrel as a quick sight and you'll hit.
And realistically, that tiny shot coming out of a 22LR won't hold a useful velocity for more than about 15 yards anyway, even if you had a smooth bore. The air resistance is brutal on those tiny pellets. It was never meant for anything besides something small and close.
That Pest Control was originally made to shoot rats and snakes in close proximity 5 or 10 feet at most it was never made to be shot out of a rifle let alone from 10 yards people used it inside their barns out on walking trips in small revolvers and even occasionally inside their homes can't be too disappointed in a round that you have no idea how to use
Just saw you’re comments on shot shells! I thought I might throw out my experience. I shoot rats, snakes with pistols, auto and revolvers. I am up to about 300 in the rat sector and 9 in snakes! I find it to be a great round in 22 lr, 22 longs and 22 mag. I shoot all three and have only 1000
left in stock. Great rounds!!!
Back in the 90’s, I had an old RG revolver. When I started jogging, dogs would come at me. I drilled the rifling out of the barrel and it worked fine for 22 shotshells. Came later, the dogs would run when they saw me coming.
Probably the best use of an RG I have ever heard of!
It would be interesting to see how they do out of a smooth bore barrel.
Henry makes a lever action smoothbore
hand gun works about the same. It won't cycle any semi-auto action, though.
The cci shotshells are still pretty garbage out of garden guns, the old Remington's are by far the best but the modern Winchester shotshells are pretty good as well. Now out of a pistol it still throws shit like crazy but it's nice for real quick snap shots on rats and snakes up close.
Back in the 1930s gun makers started making what were called "garden guns". They were smooth bore .22 caliber rifles. They were developed to be used in town, in your garden or in barns and warehouses as pest control. We recently looked into purchasing one for pigeons in the barn. Henry is the only gun maker currently still offering one that we could find. But due to the covid B.S. we couldn't order one. According to videos I have seen the shot shells do not work well in a rifled barrel. Shot has to be used in a smooth barrel, like a shotgun.
I also forgot to mention that one time my dad came to visit and forgot to bring his shotgun. All I had at the time that I could loan him was a S&W 22A semi-auto pistol and some of these bird shot 22lr's. I will be danged if he didn't walk up to a tree, look up, see a grouse, and popped it with a 22lr shot shell. The bird fell down out of the tree and at his feet. A friend of mine had ten ducks he wanted me to brine and smoke for him. He couldn't slaughter them for some reason, so I brought the 22A with me and I would walk up to a duck, pop them in the head with the 22 shot shell. Piece of cake. Although he lived out of the city, his neighbors were still kind of close, so using a regular 22 round may not have a been too smart. They seem to work just fine if they are used for their intended purpose.
I've used it for starlings at my gramma house. I'd have to wait for them to come in to land. I'd have shots about 10-20 feet off the tip of the barrel. They would shoot a lot better out of a smooth barrel (and ruger made one) strictly for birdshot rounds
Peters Cartridge patented its .45 ACP shot shell “riot cartridge” in 1925 marketed for use in the Thompson sub-machine gun.
Need to bring those back to stop all the rioters
Works great out of my .22 mag heritage revolver. Always keep it near by when working on the firewood pile!
Tell ya what, I've taken quite a few rattlesnakes at relatively close range with a .410 loaded down with #6 shot, and quite a few more at close range with a 12 gauge loaded down with #6 shot... Vaporized the head, spared the meat. Made for some delicious summertime dinners, and vaporizing the head meant no chance of accidentally getting bitten while handling the snake to get it ready for the frying pan. These things are cute, and I hear stories from people who've used them (both in the comments and people I know in real life) but I wouldn't trust my life to them against a deadly snake. A rat, a pigeon, a black snake, hell even indoors against those, sure. I can see the value. But outside in the woods or on a fishing trip, you'd best believe I'm loaded up with my 12 gauge or .410.
This stuff is great for critters like snakes you may have gotten too close to and dont want to miss with a single bullet. This stuff is designed for under 10 foot engagements.
Also rifled barrels will spread out any shot pellets where smooth bores are designed for it
Are you singing the intro? Wish I was musically inclined but I couldn't carry a tune in a bucket. But of course I already shot the bucket. 🤣
I used them in 22lr, 22wmr and 9mm for carpenter bees. Every year go through about 5 boxes of each caliber
@@sski I wish 5 or so I have 3 catchers in my hanger and I have to dump them at least 3 times a summer. That’s with me shooting dozens of them. They tear my buildings apart. Then the wood peckers come and tear up the wood to get to the bee larvae.
@@brianjrjr6275 Oh my, that's crazy! Good hunting!
@@brianjrjr6275 my grandad's house had the same issue,most people now days ain't seen the carnage these rascals can bring in a short time in numbers
I can attest it takes out mice wonderfully!
I've used CCI "rat shot" in a half dozen different cartridges for decades (for snakes while walking or when riding on the tractor) and can attest it works well for it's intended purpose in revolver & pistol barrels at short (10ish feet) distances.
Not much use past that distance though.
Have used it 22LR, 22WMR, 9mm, 38SPCL, 45ACP & 44Mag.
In fact, I still carry a spare 45ACP magazine where the top 3 are CCI ratshot when walking around in the brush out at the farm.
They work great. You're not going to grab a rat by hand, you don't try to expect much beyond 2-3 yds. I've killed LOTS of rats with the 22 lr version, many with 22 mag. 100 yds? You're some expert!
I actually use it in my heritage rough rider and it works great on rats!!
Shot rats and blackbirds and killed a bunch with an old single shot 22 but keep it to about 10 or 15 feet it works!! Bait them up close.
I'm thinking 10 feet is your sweet zone on these.
The spread at 5+ ft is crazy! 😂
Super crazy
@@WHOTEEWHO I've seen shot shell loads for 9mm before. Completely pointless in my opinion. The 9mm version was anyway
@@WHOTEEWHO hey you should try it at 2 to 3 yards and try it from little deringer revolver
In the 70's my friend and I would creep through patches of cedar trees in the winter with a 22 revolver in each hand - dropping sparrows left and right. What a blast that was!
(the 22 shot shells back then were crimped on the end)
My experience is that the old crimped brass .22 birdshot is vastly superior to the plastic capped rounds. I've been a shooter for 58yrs.
I agree 100%. I have some Federal .11 cal long rifle bird shot (crimped on the end, as opposed to the plastic cap) and it works extremely well. I came here today looking for some, and the only thing I can find is this CCI stuff that I personally know to be junk... so If I can't find any of the federal in 22 WRM I guess I'm stuck with 22 LR. Was hoping to get just a little more distance for some work close to a neighbors house where I prefer not to shoot regular rounds. I suppose I could step up to a .410 short.
Works great out to about twenty feet out of my ruger 22/45 with a four inch barrel. Many a east Texas snake has become worm food with that, but it rarely cycles
The .44 mag stuff works great. I’ve got two coontail hatbands that’ll testify to that.
We bought a few ruger wranglers just to use these shot shells at the deer camp! Works great on snakes down here in Texas...past 3 or 5 yards pretty useless
That's all these loads were ever designed and intended for.
"52 grains of flingamabobs there" thats pretty danm accurate!
Good old snake charmer rounds, they're great. They have a very specific range, no more than 5-10 feet, especially with a rifled barrel. I have indeed shot rats and mice with these rounds, instant kills. I tested the spread by shooting at my pond once, at 25 yards it has roughly a 20 foot spread because of the rifling, so they are absolutely shit at anything but point blank range, but that's the point. If you have a smoothbore .22 (they're around) you will get much tighter groups, but again, these aren't for any kind of ranged shooting and they don't exactly pack a wallop. It's a very specific tool for a very specific job, and it does that job well but only that job, and to expect otherwise is foolish.
I use em for carpenter bees, very fun.👍
Me too. I have blasted many of the out of the air with these as they fed upon my house's fly rafters!
These shot shells are good for swiftly expediting pests in limited situations (e.g., snakes or large rodents). They work great in revolvers and bolt or lever rifles. If you have rodent or other pest issues, the use of these shells will be very expensive and tedious.
I have them for a 44 Mag and use them often for grouse …..,.,,works great in pistol SW 29.
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They work great in my smooth bore Henry I have out to 40 feet.
This ammo has been around almost as long as ,22 rimfire, but this dub acts like it's a new thing. What a maroon!
I love this channel. It's so down to earth!
Really appreciate you watching and subscribing Bob!
@@WHOTEEWHO You realize this is said by a gun hating liberal right? No way someone could love a channel with this kind of flawed evaluations.
I guess it's safe to assume you won't be making a "How many paper plates" video with these rounds?🤣
one, i've had these thing only dimple soda cans at 10 yards.
Nah he is going to test them against the cast iron skillets.🤪
Clay blocks🤣😜
Absolutely hilarious they got us talking about one yard haha!
he says one yard but my front yard is 3 acres so im confused
@@MrBlack-vg8rv lol 🤣
yep, for when that Snake is almost close enough to strike, but ya really don't wanna reach out and Grab it barehanded.....
I appreciate the video. I think as others have mentioned, the rifling makes the pattern open up. If you get a smooth bore it will be a bit tighter pattern. That would let you got out to roughly 25 or 30 feet away with relatively good results.
Try it in a revolver shotshells are made for a revolver
I'm pretty sure Henry makes a smooth bore rifle for these :)
You don’t need a smooth bore for these
Once I pulled a trick on a friend I had my 44 Mag pistol and a grouse flew up and set on a limb I pulled my 44 Mag out to shoot and my friend said nothing but feathers will be left. I told him I will just wing it real close and he will fall over dead. I shot and the grouse fell to the ground. My friend went over and could not find the big 44 Mag hole anywhere in the grouse. I repeated the stunt later down the trail. He said I was the best pistol shooter he ever seen. I told him I took my lessons from Annie Oakley. The 44 Mag with the 7.5 shot size CCI very effective on grouse for about 10 yards out of pistol.
Only in 22lr
They do
They're perfect for carpenter bees.
I bought some for 22lr and yes they are worthless but I seen them and just had to try them!!Lol
Same! 😆
About two decades ago, I picked up some .22 lr shot ammo for shitz and giggles. I fired it through a Remington 612 and a Savage Mark II SS. It seemed that the optimal range was 5' to 10'.
HOWEVER, it said on the box that it was intended for a smoothbarrel. Putting a spin on the round will spread the shot pattern from centrifugal force. Teh pattern would likely be tighter when fired through a smoothbore.
I think you should try firing it from a short barrel pistol. Typically a shot barrel will spread out teh shots, but I am thinking the shorter barrel may not impart as much spin (assuming the rifling twist is not too agressive) and therefore may not result in as wide a shot pattern.
Something to consider.
Also for cloe range pests, like a snake, I would think you would use a pistol rather than a rifle.
I used the 38 special version of those in my garage to kill a rattlesnake coiled up on my gun cart. I used my Ruger Vaquero revolver with a 5-1/2" barrel at about 7 feet. I got a good head shot to kill the snake and did not put a hole in my garage wall. I have them in my wheel gun whenever I am outdoors on my ranch, I alternate snake round with LRN in the cylinder. I'm very happy with their performance, keeping in mind their limitations (very short range).
Gonna be at work when this drops but I will catch it on break! I’ve always been curious about how bad these are lol
See you on break!
Next time you come to Texas, I will buy them from you
Yup, that's why it's the only 22 ammo left on the shelves these days
Yup
LoL
I consistently find 22lr ranging from 50 up to 500rnds here in PA
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@@DinoNucci no as in you're not?
I used to have what was called in the UK, a 9mm garden gun. Similar looking ammo. It had a smoothbore 22" barrel and was a really kid sized gun. However for shooting sitting rabbits on railway embankments it was pretty effective out to about 15 yards. Ammo was dirt cheap, it was quite handy when I was young. As others say, the rifling spreads the shot.
I've used birdshot in 22lr out of a Brno model 2 to great effect . Mainly in a commercial chicken shed ( empty at the time ). I also caught many rats by hand , it was fun when I was 12 . Getting within 5 yards of a rat is no guarantee of being able to catch it by hand . I even managed a rebound shot off of the corrugated iron roof of the shed onto a rat hidden on a ledge out of the direct line of fire . 5 to 7 metres is about the maximin use range . One pellet in the right spot is enough to get the job done on a rat .
Good day at the range... beats a bad day at work any day!
BAD day at the range, beats a GOOD day in the office!
"If I can get within five yards, I'll just grab it with my hand..." YAY! Rabies! Hantavirus! Tularemia!
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What do you figure, a bunch of tiny shot coming out of a rifled 20" barrel? Think of what it is designed for; i.e. shooting snakes at short range!
The cci shot shell, that is fired at close range for snakes, use on walking trails or close range at camp sites. You would want to use at least a five and half to nine and a half inch barrel on a western style revolver, for best accuracy. This is what the cartridge, is intended for use. The cci shot shell, whether in 22 mag or 22 long rifle if employed at close range, works extremely well. On farther varmint shots use a hollow point round. Kevin Phoenix
I load up my Taurus Judge with .410 shells when in snake country. Close as I want to get is about 10 yards. Number 6 works well.