Too Much Power on Horrible Tires. 528 hp Audi S3 | Nürburgring
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- Опубликовано: 15 авг 2024
- @MotorOliTV brought me an MTM Audi S3 for a lap of the Nürburgring. The base was great with one big downside: the car just returned from a car show with show tire setup. It is definitely not suited for the track. Nevertheless, we had fun.
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00:00 Intro/Specs
03:27 Lap
12:30 Conclusion
14:01 Tires :( 
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That "roll cage" had me rolling. Toyo stickers on the tires, flashy colours, lots of power but no grip. "It's a show car" really sums it up well I guess.
😂
it's pretty sad ngl😂
Sadly this sort of culture is really popular now. People that just want a car to do traffic light Grand Prix against their mates in a remapped A45 and M135i. 4wd traction, DSG gearbox and power is all they want for straight line launching.
@@feoffle because masses doesnt go to the track :)
MTM good tuning house. but this a carwow 1/4 mile machine. Needs suitable track tyres and ring optimised suspension. Show n go for sure but not track n go
not every show car is a race car, but every race car is a show car.
words to live by
Maaaaaybe not. You might want to watch a WRL or Champ (formerly Chump) Car race. A beat-to-crap Mazda3 with a primer paint job may be fun to race, but it ain't no show car.
Unfortunatly not really the case. I request for selected shows, but not getting accepted with my race car. And it is in great shape for a race car.
becuz function is form
@@mgcharoudin you really should have made a point to that high oil temp. as this should clearly show that RS3 is not made at all for the NS. Respecting that the guys of Audi Sport have the TestCenter for Suspension close to Manthey, they surely will have notified it during their setup work. Just surprise they did not mentioned it to the Engine Department in Ingolstadt.
I rewound to the beginning (to the spec), and I'm a bit baffled. The EA888 is known to have oil temperature problems, yet an esteemed tuner like MTM doesn't seem put an oil cooler upgrade in with the 530hp tune??
That's what happens when you build a car to be a dyno queen
For the target audience (ie. people who know shit all about cars and just want to see a number queen) its perfect. Flashy, loud and fast in a straight line.
Yeah this is what I was thinking too. My APR Stage 2 8V S3 needs an oil cooler to keep the temps around 210f, before I had that it was jumping up to 240-250f frequently, which isn't overly bad, but... it's still alot more than the standard 190-210f regular running temp for my climate.
I agree. Even a street car should have an oil cooler when modified as they hit 120c very quickly. I have the gen2 ea888 with k04 in my old Octavia and it has a baffled sump and oil cooler.
Crazy that oil temps went up 50C during the lap, actually insane.
On my mk1 TT oiltemps did the same. These cars have an oil to water cooler to warm up/cool the oil but when coolant temps get high it can't cool the oil enough. On mine I had to upgrade both the radiator and install an external oil cooler and that is with close to stock power (Basic bolt-on's with a remap, still stock turbo)
That was 144C
@@ricola1759 From 92C to 145C, it's actually crazy
@@m0rb1d43 within one lap though? Seems a bit nuts, i've done track days in my cupra(stock water/oil cooling) and not had this issue at all.
but yes, if you're planning on doing a bunch of track days, get a real oil cooler.
@@MrZyLeXx don't forget the Nurburgring is like 6 times longer than the average track 🤣
I love the brutally honest titles and commentary please don’t change.
Sweet little s3 just needs that oil cooler, tires and maybe a bit extra height and travel, those seats are epic.
Basically half his mods are wrong 😂
It would be really awesome and informative to see again this car in a few days on new tires for comparison . Not just entertaining. But to show all those kids who tune their cars and put their money into everything but the most important part of car, the one keeping them on the road, the tires.
The green stripe works really well on the yellow! As said nice car but too much for show, would be interesting to see it lap again with better tyres 👍
how do you get the Nurburgring by your name? thanks man!
@@nolanmcgilvrey1619 He's a member of the channel, its like subscribing on twitch where u pay monthly
The oil Temp was hanging around 140c ... too high.
Not sure that engine will be lasting very long unless the oil system is upgraded... I could be wrong, but tempts that high would concern me.
At around 135c the oil starts to break down and won't be doing it's job, just when you are really pushing the engine.
modern oil can handle 140c. it has to change every 5k km. this temperatur was bad a long time ago.
125 is too high for this car... 140 is over
Aloha from Hawaii Misha! Loving the content lately, you never miss! Can’t wait to come visit Apex and the Nurburgring the next time I’m in Germany!! Much love!
Great video with note worthy input to take the S3 to the next level on the Ring. It still cracks me up when Misha looks like he's taking a Sunday drive and it's a literal Monday Hell for everyone else.
At least it's good at being a show car. It certainly looks great. Interested to see how it will perform with the changes and upgrades you have suggested.
Some thoughts from a 2019 GTI owner in the US. I'm fairly familiar with MQB of course, and a few things really surprised me about this build. Right away, I'm shocked they kept the stock single piston sliding front calipers. All they did is paint them Yellow and put the MTM logo on them. Absolutely not up to the task of slowing down almost twice the stock horsepower in my opinion. Also, the oil temps got ridiculously hot. Did they not fit an oil cooler? I would have expected that for such a large bump in power and for a car thats expected to see even a moderate amount of track time. And while the tires are contributing to the understeer, I'm very surprised MTM didn't fit a larger rear swaybar. That's one of the first things I'd do, it makes such a massive difference on turn in, and it's easy and cheap. But maybe it really is just a show car lol
swaybar from another model or 3rd party?
@@dreamcrusher112 third party. Lots of companies make them, plenty of great options!
really sad yeah
@Aria AM5 definitely. So many things could be done to improve it😂
I used to think MTM was a good tuner, but maybe they really don't put a lot of thought into a build. The rear sway is like a "no-brainer" first mod choice for all mqb. Easy install, cheap, big difference.
That's one of the first thing I replaced on my car are my tires. One lap with the all-season was a big no no for me so I went with the Pilot 4S. So far, I'm happy on how the tires perform on my GTI
I did one lap on the pilot sport and took them of😂. Sidewall way to soft. Semi slick is a must for track in the dry.
@@TheTechnoaddict PS4, PS4S, PS5, PSS … ?
@@vollcare4076 ps4s. Good on mixed conditions but overheating in the dry.
@@TheTechnoaddict But semi`s are street illegal and way too dangerous in the wet. So 200 treadwear tires is a good option for track/street combo
@@agnttgr semi's are 200 tread most of the time. And they are street legal. And yes most of them suck in the wet. That's why you switch tyres if the track is wet.
Great video Misha! Shows having big power without proper cooling upgrades and the correct tyre/suspension set up doesn't work well on a track. Easy fix at least and as is will make a great street car no doubt.
Wonderful to see an objective view of a show car on track and looking forward to seeing a second drive with improved tyres and suspension 👍🏼
Tyres are the most IMPORTANT parts in terms of performance, it should be the first upgrade in a car.
@Newycoder Ooo very nice 👌
What a disgrace for MTM…. 140° in the first lap….
In the first half of a lap*
Yes indeed , had the same problem on my C5 Vette without oil cooler could barely do a 2-3km lap before issues , with my C6 Callaway built no problem with oil cooling , he should install a termostat 100C bypass and a Setra cooler braided lines something like 600 EUR in cost , a simple installation problem solved.
Watching that oil temp had me like 🫣
Where do you see oil temperature gauge? I think this one in left corner is just an cooling fluid temperature.
@@Orzeszekkif you zoom in you can see it’s the little oil can
@@Scuderia2000HD oh ok I saw it in 4k 🤣that's very bad and I don't understand why progress bar above shows it in midrange. If it's get so hot on Nienburgring it's probably get too hot when you ride fast on motorway
@@Scuderia2000HD I don't know what to say because car already get high flow grille from RS3 so lack of air shouldnt be a problem
Anyway the guy on the passenger side had his time of his life :D
I will never understand why people spend so much money on “upgrades” but not on better tyres.
Tyres is the quickest, cheapest (If you choose the rights ones) and sometimes the best mod to a car.
Misha, you are the BEST. " we are going to take it easy....*tires screeching* LOL. Stay awesome!
18" wheel with nankang any decent semi slick similar tyre width...and softer springs,1 or 2inches higher ride height
This car would be flying fast at the ring!
What was the spring rate of this S3 ?
I’m glad you noticed oil temps rising. Engine seems very happy to rev. Pulls all the way up to 7. Nice lap Misha😊
Its a big turbo 4cyl, of course it loves to rev. How the fuck else would it make 500hp from 2 litres 🤡🤡
idk... I like my Cars to start pulling at 7k rpm, not limiting there 😂
lol the owner is still struggling with being calm.. I can understand him, but it's still fun to see :D
Very well driven and especially good analysation of the car. I'll bet the engine and the supension were quite motivating to go even faster. But "power is nothing without control"
Those seats are freaking sick 🔥🔥
car performs like a toaster (done in 4min) but hey, the seats are cool. talk about priorities lol.
2:46 Roll cage mounted like a child seat ???
I'm also interested on that as it was mounted as a some kind of "removable" rollcage, or at least without much changes on the original. It might be a good option if you (and I do) want a cage but don't want to completely change your car to a race car.
For show only :(
So they can take it back out and sell the car with no issues I would guess
Great car for ten minutes of Autobahn. 😁
Dashscreen was as a Wheinacht Tanne with all this warning lights 😅😅😅
This was fun to watch.
I think it's sad that such a big company spends big money for those Seats, the power, and so on.... but forgetts one of the most important things: Good Tires and good cooling. And Rollcage dosen't look that safe for me.
But anyway: if they fix those 3 things i guess it would make an acctual nice car for some ''sunday 3-4 laps'' driving style :)
142°c oil temperature. OUCH! There's a lot of temperature management to be done there buddy. This should be 120°c tops.
Why did MTM not upgrade the oil cooler lol.
10k for seats with stock oil cooler.
This with some good performance tires would be incredible!
Makes me laugh this fully ragging it round a track an having a daily conversation as though ur cruising to a town or something for shopping on a Sunday 😂
even if it wasnt my car i simply couldnt carry on driving like that with temps over 130°c, i simply have too much respect for cars
misha always recognizes these high temperatures but never really switches to a driving style where the oil can really cool down a bit...
Always hated 'show' cars, but a fake cage!? Wow. Embarrassing.
You misspelled "Scary AF."
Why bother!!
With age comes a cage😁
Shows there is a massive difference between a modified car and a performance car
"were' gonna take it easy from here" *proceeds to drive faster than i could ever do in my life lol
Thanks, Bro! That was fun. CU next time with a more „appropriate“ Setup 😂👌🏻.
mc donalds tuning.
congrats.
The engine is still in front of the frontaxle 😅
Typical ignorant comment. ALL transverse fwd/awd/4wd cars have both the engine and the gearbox in front of the front axle. You just heard someone say it like all these other people and keep repeating it without having real knowledge.
@@NachoBides so he's an ignorant but you just confirmed what he said 😂
And not all transverse-engine cars have overhang on the front, the Toyota iQ doesn't for example. The only reason it's done this way is because it's cheaper, you'd need clever packaging or to increase the wheelbase to make it work which costs money. And VAG sure loves having its Golf-derivatives built as cheaply as possible while gouging the customer for as much money as possible.
Wendler has a nice car :D
142'C oil temp! You can pull the motor right after that lap.
People. The engine placement in this car is not different than any other hothatch. All transverse engined fwd/awd/4wd cars have BOTH the engine and the gearbox slightly in front of the front axle. CTR, focus, megane, i30n etc. All your favourite hothatches have the same engine placement configuration. Engine and gearbox slighlty in front of the front axle and on the back of the gearbox the differential.
The reason most audis understeer at the limit is not the engine location. They tend to be neutral, then incline towards understeer at the limit. It is the way they are setup from the factory. If you want to change that you need first of all a thicker rear sway bar. Also these tires are not meant for trackdays, let alone in a car with much more than the stock power.
Ha ha ha,
One of the funniest lap i ever seen ❣️😂😂😂👌🏼
Lieben Gruß aus Berlin,
Ramsi 😘
A car destroyer Mischa. Great content. Keep going 😁😁😁.
Cool video 👍🏻
I'm totally confused... how did they fit the RS3 fonrt to the car!? Isn't it much wider because it has to overflow onto the mudguards?
265 tyres on the front, so the 245s Are on the back pr running a square setup? 2:14 and 1:53
So it's MTM car with stated 528hp. That means it probably has something more like 400hp
Loss of power because of the Oil Temperature. You need an oil cooler and if you've not got a larger heat exchanger/intercooler - i'd upgrade that too, to a thicker core. It can take it, plenty of space. But you absolutely need that - you'll even make more power more consistently.
several he regretted having passed the wheel to you 🤣😂
This shit box just made me not wanna take delivery of my upcoming s3 and instead go order an m240i
Welcome to the land of bmw we’ll gladly have you ❤️
@@AmperahGaming always been a bmw at heart
Any audi you have to prep it like a front wheel drive except R8 of course 😊, but the rest needs rear stiff springs huge rear sway bar , less stiff in front and NO front swaybar. Ex : 800lbs spring rate rear 600 front.
This car definitely needs the French made MICHELIN PILOT SUPER SPORT and possibly better breaks ❤
Hello! In your opinion what is more fun to drive AND what is faster. S3 x GTi. I ask in terms of Awd x Fwd traction. Obviously I'm talking about cars with the same Specs...
Can you please test the 992 turbo s on the ring, i wanna see what laptime it is capable of
Misha the position of the engine is the same in RS3 and S3 only difference is that RS3 has bit bigger engine, not much, I am sorry but I don't like the way like you always are trying to hate AUDI. I know you have one bad memory with them the but it is not fault of the whole brand. You don't need to be soo mean. It is not good for your health 😆
Not meaning to defend Misha here...but the AUDIs speak for themselves. Same story every time somebody puts them on the track.
the 4 cylinder is little bit back than the 5 and that helps a lot, because the difference in weight
Get those tires on my daily C2 VTS last year... On the front axle, the worst driving feeling I could have, no safe sensation, no drive train feeling and response...
Happy today to enjoy P ZERO NERO GT in comparaison..
Does this type of bolted-on rollcage have any noticeable benefit in terms of rigidity? (Genuine open question)
I hope to see this back with proper tires suspension?) And cooling.
that bottom left temperature gauge seems to be unusually hot. 134 degrees is way too hot for water temperature and i would consider too hot for oil as well
Well, I am sure the owner has some track tires, obviously it was not set up for the track that day, still very fun.
Nuts.!! Totally.. Looked fun thou.
The last car he brought had horrible tires too..... guess he didn't listen to you at all. That "rollcage" should be called a showcage lol
I so want this car 😍
Rs3 killer right there
Super cool Misha. Damn that little A3 can boogie at least...except of the overheating part, and like most AWD cars under steering.
How nice is it to have a friend like Misha who knows somethings to help sort out your car so you can enjoy the Ring more and safely too. #Bonus
The body is an RS3. You can tell by the bump outs in the front (front of the door) and back. I don't get it.
This engine definitly got damage. 142° Oil is not good.
Poor bearings must have been basically touching with oil that hot and thin!
:(
@@mgcharoudin The oil at that temperature is basically water. I "love" how you kept on going even though it was clearly not ok :|
@@dbogdan17 exactly what I was thinking, even though he said he was going to take it easy he didn't really... I doubt he would be still driving like that if it was his car
Lmao all those lights pop up and he just keeps driving the hell out of it
It's an S3 but with the front of the new Audi RS3 (black grill and checkered flag Led Lights).
The car was really running hot 140C for the oil?
it seems so
140C is ok for a short while but at that temp it degrades and will loose lubrication effects and oil change more often , oil change to my C6 dry sump is 10.5 litres and 200eur.
That rollcage location mounting scares me.
Those seats are 👌
Standard or tuned, these rarely make good track cars. I don't think Audi drivers can deal with an adjustable chassis/ any form of oversteer , so this is what they get.
Obviously Oli brings these tuned Audi’s to the ring to make ‘advertisement’ for these Tuners - to get publicity.
But again this is a proof Audi‘s, or Audis tuned like this, are no sport cars and not suitable for be driven hard.
I’m asking myself if these Tuners really want these ‘showcars’ to be driven on the track - as they really show their weak character when driven hard.
But tbh it’s their fault:
If you call a 90k € price tag for a S3 and name it “Clubsport” it should at least perform anywhere near that - which it obviously doesn’t do
Oli just wants a Nordschleife Lap on his channel together with Misha… Harder than you would expect to realise 😂😂😂 Misha knows what I am talking about. If I’d get paid for this, I would call it advertisement. It’s just for fun. 🤷🏼♂️ Of course the tuner gets some attention, as he provides a car for the video. I would say: Win win for everyone, incl. the community here 😉.
Another great hot hatch that it did not come to America :(
142° oil temp just crazy
Pretty cool car, tyres are struggling, but I can imagine it would be a weapon with some proper rubber.
Are you sure about that 528hp figure, seems a little slow for that HP in a straight line. How much does it weigh? or maybe the engine cooling can't cope even from near the start.
DANGER CAGE!
Power loss because of the oil temperature? 142°C is pretty high.
I have the same MTM car mats in my B5 RS4.
put less in the seats and buy an oil cooler lol.
i'm not on board with showcars that don't actually work. do it the other way around, make the package work first, then you spruce it up.
So over 20k for mods and 340i from the last video is going better :)
Would love to see you driving the new RS3 equipped with the Trofeo R tires
S3 have oiltemp issues even stock... not sure why tbh.
Audi is a weird company
@@AmperahGaming it's the entirety of VAG, not just Audi. They really like building every Golf-derivative car as cheaply as possible, which works fine in a Golf because it's supposed to be more accessible, but becomes a huge issue with Audi which is supposed to be a premium brand.
The best example is the RS3 - ever since its initial launch in 2011 people have been complaining that it behaves like a boat. It took them 10 years to build a decent AWD system and that's only because the Focus RS showed that it can be done with the GKN Twinster system, which Audi effectively cloned (and still left out a few bits, because it's cheaper that way). The chassis balance problems were 'solved' by putting wider tires at the front because guess what, it's once again cheaper that way.
And then they come out and claim that Nurburgring record to prove that they 'fixed' the car, yet if you look at independent track tests it's frequently slower than the A45S which is supposed to be significantly slower.
I realize this turned into a rant, I get salty every time I think about this car. I really wanted the RS3 to be great as I absolutely love inline-5 engines, but instead Audi treats potential customers like we're idiots by engaging in this sort of misleading marketing. That is the day a BMW was bought instead.
Big „Clubsport“ Sticker on the car !? 😬
An „Eisdiele“ or „Shisha Bar“ Sticker would suit this build much better ;)
Yeah right, the engine behind the front axle in an Audi S3. Maybe check again, haha.
What brake set up was he running Misha? Looks like standard callipers with the Clubsport discs ?
soft the suspension a bit get some cup 2 still slow ;)))
Nothing like 528hp and floating front brake calipers.
Stop complaining all the time about bad tyres,audi is about understeer and bad grip at the corners..
Never heard a car squeal so much on a lap!!! And that "roll cage" !!!!!!!!!!
Good tyres are the cheapest mod with best results
This engine tuning only costs 24379 EUR !!! (price from MTM webside) and car has problem with cooling and oil cooling too. Thanks it's borrowed from MTM and it isn't owned by MotorOliTV. But it's the real shame for this money. ABT and MTM are just hype, real engine tuning is cheaper, better and elsewhere.
Good video
dat ricer rollcage :D
More Grippy tires will not affect the balance of the car. She will also understeer without good camber, isn’t it?
of course it needs to have the whole package