I would also recommend using grounded conduit on the wiring from your EMP shields to your devices. Exposed wiring is how an EMP pulse is coupled into your system. RF ferrite chokes on the solar panel field side of the metal conduit feed would help to minimize transient spikes on the DC side. Isolation transformers to your grid side with gross fail, isolation fuses (grid side) would also help when parasitic, inductive bursts are present on the grid. The ground should also be wrapped around a large iron mass (at least 5 wraps) with a fused shunt around the coil to minimize ground wave, telluric current.
Hello Robert, I know that is the current thinking that the grid will back feed, but that is why I mentioned the isolation transformers on the grid side. I believe that the major cause of EMP damage is not from induced current from the exposed wiring, but from the telluric earth currents that back feed through the grounded systems, During the Carrington event of 1859 it was noted that some railroad tracks were thermally warped. The inductive EMP burst was too short to have that effect. It had to be telluric earth currents that warped the rail. @@robertjefferson1372
I've been following you for year's. Pattering so much of what I do after you. From gardening to preparedness. Lot of my solar ( not near what you have, but what i can do and afford) just thank you for being an inspiration and a teacher 👍☝👍
HOLY COW, those batteries are expensive. Best warranty around. You are not messing around. This cost a ton. Looks good. I really want one of those EMP shields. Such a cool device.
Will your channel and book really helped me set up my solar system. I just purchased some EMP shields to protect it. If you do get an EMP shield please do a video on it! Would like to know what your thoughts on it are.
EMP needs MILES of high power tension lines to build up power. Where were the trash cans and water fountains exploding during the Kerrington event? IF you are off grid you have nothing to worry about. Any most likly the 150 year emp was in July 2012 and it missed us by 2 weeks.
Id be willing to bet those boxes do nothing. If it was a thermal dump, there isn't enough mass. If its an air gap cut-off or regulator would arc 10 of those box lengths no problem.
@@mikevictor5945there is a massive coronal mass ejection the company declares bankruptcy shuts the doors down and you're totally screwed off everybody else. A warranty isn't worth s***
Not sure how this could possibly work??? I can see it as a surge protector, such as would be needed for lightning; but an EMP works completely differently, not just traveling through conventional wire (which actually amplifies the effect, but the effect is still present without regard to wire or wire length). Can someone clarify exactly how this works...
I really want these people that make that "EMP Shield" device, to explain to me EXACTLY how their device is anything better than a glorified lightning / surge arrestor. Lightning protection is a real thing, and I recommend it. But it's available for far cheaper than these things.
It can be a glorified surge arrester and still be worth the additional money The design of the product acts much more quickly than a traditional surge protector made for lightning If you look into a (nuclear) EMP there are three different components of the pulse and a traditional surge arrester will not respond fast enough to protect you
Just installed same EMP Shield on my Titan and I also have some broadband ferrite packs on my wire bundles to help reduce the transients even more before they reach the shield.
This is only a single point solution. Actually, a Gaussian enclosure is required to house the electronics. Also adequate filtering in and out of the shielded enclosure is needed. Hint: EMP does not only travel on incoming power lines. Also, what will the "protected" power connect to?
Dude ty so much man. I have been trying to do this for a while. I am going to go the extra length building a faraday cage. 4.5 kwh system for my shed/ shop. Gonna grid tie eventually for the money. The lightning was my concern
I have a six foot deep ground rod on my solar panel array too. That is designed to help dissipate the electricity away from the solar panels but it doesn't stop to surge from going through the wires and destroying the controllers and inverter. That is why I added the EMP Shield. You might consider adding it to your system. www.ldsprepper.com/empshield
Hello Brother Gilmore! Wishing you and the Mrs. a wonderful Christmas holiday season and a fantastic New Year to come! I miss your gyrocopter videos. I hope you and your wife start up a series of adventures with it.
Are they good for multiple EMPs or are they fried after one? I’ve always figured that if Russia or China hit us with an EMP they would hit us with a second one a few days or weeks later to further disrupt the recovery effort
Apparently the worst part of an emp is the 3rd pulse which has a long duration. Its unlikely to effect smaller things like phones or PCs or even cars, but definitely will effect the power lines and grid. I would think hardening your controllers from lightning storms would help and having some sort of hard disconnect fuse for the grid connection so that the first short high intensity pulse pops the fuse and physically disconnects your system from the grid entirely. Having to replace a physical fuse is a small price to pay to be the only guy with power. Of course you might want to buy some guns and make friends with the neighbors so they benefit from you having power and are inclined to help protect your now very valuable piece of property!
The phone company for years has been doing something interesting to keep there equipment from blowing up they have a square insulator it has 2 metal squares with the 2 lines that go the phones wires and a wider strip that is as wide as the other 2 squares it is connect to a ground rod the gap between these plates forms a T and is around a 1/16 inch if any high voltage comes down any of the wires it jumps the gap and goes to ground. We’ve had lightning strikes that blew up our refrigerators computers off brand phones but the bell phones with that little plate with the gap worked fine with no problems. Years ago one of my relatives was sitting on his bed playing his violin 🎻 during a lightning ⚡️ storm the lightning shot out from the phone next to him hitting him he died and the violin broke my brother still has the violin we had it repaired later the phone company installed those little spark arresters they do work great and don’t cost thousands of dollars
Excellent question. To learn how these are tested go to www.ldsprepper.com/empshield, click on "Learn More" then "Testing. I think you'll find it interesting.
If you don't have extra solar panels stored in a Faraday cage you are going to be disappointed. A photovoltaic solar panel will be completely destroyed by a powerful electromagnetic pulse (EMP). If the power is high enough, the metal coating the solar panel will be so hot that the metal vaporizes right off the silicon and then ignites into a fireball with oxygen in the air around the panel. A Photovoltaic cell is covered with a fine grid of conductors to collect charges across the surface of the wafer. These fine grids will most likely vaporize when hit with a strong EMP, and then also the induced current will burn through the thin silicon wafer so the conductors on opposite sides can arc across and discharge the pulse current.
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Hi there, you said panels would not get damaged in case of an EMP strike. Where did you get this info ? Because I tried to find out about this to no avail.
So I believe this holds true in every state. If you NET meter to sell power back to the grid. If there’s and emergency the power company will send a kill switch to the inverter and shit out down. So when you need the power most you wont be able to use it. Due to the fact they can’t have power being sent to the lines when workers are working on the lines. If you want a off grid with a grid assist. You are still on the grid but you are only using the power when you need. Like a battery back up for your computer. My growatt runs panels battery then grid. So its ally charging at night at the lowest rate.
I have been told by a EMP shield rep. that we should get an other device to protect our batteries. So there is the AC side, DC side and the batteries apparently. What do you think ?
THE SOLAR PANELS WILL NOT BE DAMAGED! Did you see that note on the screen? This shows this is total hokeypoke! Anyone that TRULY knows about EMP will tell you directly that solar panels will all be instantly fried. They are like giant antennas that are sitting ducks for the emp pulse! This is simply an advertisement for that company selling their gadgets that will not be any more useful than a bucket of water.
EMP needs MILES of high power tension lines to build up power. Where were the trash cans and water fountains exploding during the Kerrington event? IF you are off grid you have nothing to worry about. Any most likly the 150 year emp was in July 2012 and it missed us by 2 weeks.
What about your grid in/out connection. It too should be protected by one of these devices. Even though you have all of the solar array mounting grid grounded I know for fact that that will not channel all of the discharge to earth ground. I have worked as a FCC licensed communications tech for close to thirty years and I have seen the net result of lightning doing a direct hit on a grounded tower and or antenna. The results were devastating, especially today when we see far more severe storms hitting everywhere even the lightning discharges seem to have increased in Intensity. At the point of earth ground are you using a single ground rod or are there buried radials extending out from the rod(s) to help dissipate the discharge? The more the radials and the deeper they are the better. That is an impressive system you have installed, how might you compare Midnight solars new style inverters to the older modular inverters? If one inverter died in the old system you could take it out for service without disrupting the whole system, how is a failure with the new system?
I did buy those. Then I found out they will not work for an EMP. I upped my game and got EMP protection. Get a $50 discount for each unit from LDSPrepper.com/emp
What people do NOT understand is that these EMP Shields have NOT been properly tested. I installed one on my Midnite Solar controller and it damaged it. I had to buy another controller and the EMP people would NOT honor their "so called" warranty. If you have any solar controller do NOT attach this item as you risk damage and they will NOT honor the warranty.
I would also recommend using grounded conduit on the wiring from your EMP shields to your devices. Exposed wiring is how an EMP pulse is coupled into your system. RF ferrite chokes on the solar panel field side of the metal conduit feed would help to minimize transient spikes on the DC side. Isolation transformers to your grid side with gross fail, isolation fuses (grid side) would also help when parasitic, inductive bursts are present on the grid. The ground should also be wrapped around a large iron mass (at least 5 wraps) with a fused shunt around the coil to minimize ground wave, telluric current.
If there was a solar flare, wouldn't that cause a power surge to backfeed from the grid into the inverter?
Hello Robert, I know that is the current thinking that the grid will back feed, but that is why I mentioned the isolation transformers on the grid side. I believe that the major cause of EMP damage is not from induced current from the exposed wiring, but from the telluric earth currents that back feed through the grounded systems, During the Carrington event of 1859 it was noted that some railroad tracks were thermally warped. The inductive EMP burst was too short to have that effect. It had to be telluric earth currents that warped the rail. @@robertjefferson1372
I've been following you for year's. Pattering so much of what I do after you. From gardening to preparedness. Lot of my solar ( not near what you have, but what i can do and afford) just thank you for being an inspiration and a teacher 👍☝👍
Thank you for viewing and for taking action. You and your family will be blessed for doing so.
HOLY COW, those batteries are expensive. Best warranty around. You are not messing around. This cost a ton.
Looks good. I really want one of those EMP shields. Such a cool device.
Will your channel and book really helped me set up my solar system. I just purchased some EMP shields to protect it. If you do get an EMP shield please do a video on it! Would like to know what your thoughts on it are.
EMP needs MILES of high power tension lines to build up power. Where were the trash cans and water fountains exploding during the Kerrington event? IF you are off grid you have nothing to worry about. Any most likly the 150 year emp was in July 2012 and it missed us by 2 weeks.
Id be willing to bet those boxes do nothing.
If it was a thermal dump, there isn't enough mass. If its an air gap cut-off or regulator would arc 10 of those box lengths no problem.
Waranty😂
@@mikevictor5945there is a massive coronal mass ejection the company declares bankruptcy shuts the doors down and you're totally screwed off everybody else. A warranty isn't worth s***
Not sure how this could possibly work??? I can see it as a surge protector, such as would be needed for lightning; but an EMP works completely differently, not just traveling through conventional wire (which actually amplifies the effect, but the effect is still present without regard to wire or wire length). Can someone clarify exactly how this works...
I really want these people that make that "EMP Shield" device, to explain to me EXACTLY how their device is anything better than a glorified lightning / surge arrestor.
Lightning protection is a real thing, and I recommend it. But it's available for far cheaper than these things.
It can be a glorified surge arrester and still be worth the additional money The design of the product acts much more quickly than a traditional surge protector made for lightning If you look into a (nuclear) EMP there are three different components of the pulse and a traditional surge arrester will not respond fast enough to protect you
Just installed same EMP Shield on my Titan and I also have some broadband ferrite packs on my wire bundles to help reduce the transients even more before they reach the shield.
This is only a single point solution. Actually, a Gaussian enclosure is required to house the electronics. Also adequate filtering in and out of the shielded enclosure is needed. Hint: EMP does not only travel on incoming power lines. Also, what will the "protected" power connect to?
When I was a kid we just would have lightning rods on the top of the house. I could never afford anything like that. Good information. 👍❤️
I think lightning rods on rooftops are still a good idea.
@@JOHNDANIEL1 interesting
If the grid goes down and these devices fail how is the warranty going to be any good?
I'm sure that's for the lightning strikes, not an emp
I'm curious. Let's say there was a massive EMP event, and the grid went down. How would you take advantage of the warranty if the device failed?
I would think finding food would be most peoples primary concern. Paper money would be worthless. You can’t eat money.
Great information David Hope all is well.
Thank you Steve.
If those protect you charge controller’s what happens to your solar panels? Will they still produce electricity?
Dude ty so much man. I have been trying to do this for a while. I am going to go the extra length building a faraday cage. 4.5 kwh system for my shed/ shop. Gonna grid tie eventually for the money. The lightning was my concern
I have a similar system and we have a long ground rod in the ground plus some other parts that are supposed to protect from lightening.
I have a six foot deep ground rod on my solar panel array too. That is designed to help dissipate the electricity away from the solar panels but it doesn't stop to surge from going through the wires and destroying the controllers and inverter. That is why I added the EMP Shield. You might consider adding it to your system. www.ldsprepper.com/empshield
Love the setup.
Thank you Colin.
I don't understand why you are not protecting your inverter which is connected to the grid.
Hello Brother Gilmore! Wishing you and the Mrs. a wonderful Christmas holiday season and a fantastic New Year to come! I miss your gyrocopter videos. I hope you and your wife start up a series of adventures with it.
Thank you Sheryl. Merry Christmas. I've got one more test left then I will post more videos of the gyro. Stay tuned.
Are they good for multiple EMPs or are they fried after one? I’ve always figured that if Russia or China hit us with an EMP they would hit us with a second one a few days or weeks later to further disrupt the recovery effort
Apparently the worst part of an emp is the 3rd pulse which has a long duration. Its unlikely to effect smaller things like phones or PCs or even cars, but definitely will effect the power lines and grid. I would think hardening your controllers from lightning storms would help and having some sort of hard disconnect fuse for the grid connection so that the first short high intensity pulse pops the fuse and physically disconnects your system from the grid entirely. Having to replace a physical fuse is a small price to pay to be the only guy with power.
Of course you might want to buy some guns and make friends with the neighbors so they benefit from you having power and are inclined to help protect your now very valuable piece of property!
how do we protect our Titan generators while running them? I just called EMP shield and they said they don't have one for the generator.
I will be making a video to show you what to do. Stay tuned.
@@LDSPrepper you are a literal lifesaver.
looks like ordinary surge suppressors, doubt it will work on emp's
The phone company for years has been doing something interesting to keep there equipment from blowing up they have a square insulator it has 2 metal squares with the 2 lines that go the phones wires and a wider strip that is as wide as the other 2 squares it is connect to a ground rod the gap between these plates forms a T and is around a 1/16 inch if any high voltage comes down any of the wires it jumps the gap and goes to ground. We’ve had lightning strikes that blew up our refrigerators computers off brand phones but the bell phones with that little plate with the gap worked fine with no problems. Years ago one of my relatives was sitting on his bed playing his violin 🎻 during a lightning ⚡️ storm the lightning shot out from the phone next to him hitting him he died and the violin broke my brother still has the violin we had it repaired later the phone company installed those little spark arresters they do work great and don’t cost thousands of dollars
Is there also an EMP Shield on your main service panel to protect against the pulse from grid power lines?
I think that's more likely the side he should have the shield.
It looks like it protects your electronic well enough but how does it protects your actual solar panels?
So... do you have a way of testing a surge ?
Can you artificially send a higher current & make sure it's opperational?
Excellent question. To learn how these are tested go to www.ldsprepper.com/empshield, click on "Learn More" then "Testing. I think you'll find it interesting.
Couldn't you use suppressor diodes to do the same thing.
Lol emp shielding mate. Your invertor will blow before the charges. From a Ex military technician.
If you don't have extra solar panels stored in a Faraday cage you are going to be disappointed.
A photovoltaic solar panel will be completely destroyed by a powerful electromagnetic pulse (EMP). If the power is high enough, the metal coating the solar panel will be so hot that the metal vaporizes right off the silicon and then ignites into a fireball with oxygen in the air around the panel.
A Photovoltaic cell is covered with a fine grid of conductors to collect charges across the surface of the wafer.
These fine grids will most likely vaporize when hit with a strong EMP, and then also the induced current will burn through the thin silicon wafer so the conductors on opposite sides can arc across and discharge the pulse current.
I have a similar setup but still wonder wouldn’t the batteries get fried by EMP directly ?
God’s written promises!
Hallelujah! I rejoice and receive God’s will be done! Psalms 75:7; But God is the judge:
he puts down one, and sets up another. Genesis 12:3; And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed. Thank you Lord! So be it, Amen! 🙏🏽
Thank you, God bless you too.
How do you protect your dolar panels if the panales have micro inverters no inside inverter
Hi there, you said panels would not get damaged in case of an EMP strike. Where did you get this info ? Because I tried to find out about this to no avail.
So I believe this holds true in every state. If you NET meter to sell power back to the grid. If there’s and emergency the power company will send a kill switch to the inverter and shit out down. So when you need the power most you wont be able to use it. Due to the fact they can’t have power being sent to the lines when workers are working on the lines. If you want a off grid with a grid assist. You are still on the grid but you are only using the power when you need. Like a battery back up for your computer. My growatt runs panels battery then grid. So its ally charging at night at the lowest rate.
I have been told by a EMP shield rep. that we should get an other device to protect our batteries. So there is the AC side, DC side and the batteries apparently. What do you think ?
THE SOLAR PANELS WILL NOT BE DAMAGED! Did you see that note on the screen? This shows this is total hokeypoke! Anyone that TRULY knows about EMP will tell you directly that solar panels will all be instantly fried. They are like giant antennas that are sitting ducks for the emp pulse! This is simply an advertisement for that company selling their gadgets that will not be any more useful than a bucket of water.
I have a genuine question… How do you know it’s going to work?
Lol. Trust in the magic box!
@@jamesh8862that in a way sums up the Mormon faith
EMP needs MILES of high power tension lines to build up power. Where were the trash cans and water fountains exploding during the Kerrington event? IF you are off grid you have nothing to worry about. Any most likly the 150 year emp was in July 2012 and it missed us by 2 weeks.
Isn't this why we have fuses and circuit breakers?
If it has a mosfe or a chip and a emp hits is gone if you want to seve your equipment you need a lead room stop the bull
not only for high dollar items ... light bulbs last 10x as long before they need replaced
How do you protect from surge and EMP when it comes to your ham antennas?
My EMP Shield HAM radio protector is in the mail to me. Go to www.ldsprepper.com/empshield
Any recommendations on batteries?
My system is just about same size as yours but is tied to the grid. It automatically shuts down if power goes off.
Lifepower 4's are sweet.
How does affect Manufacturer warranties for solar systems installed by solar companies such as sun run? Would they have to install?
What about your grid in/out connection. It too should be protected by one of these devices. Even though you have all of the solar array mounting grid grounded I know for fact that that will not channel all of the discharge to earth ground. I have worked as a FCC licensed communications tech for close to thirty years and I have seen the net result of lightning doing a direct hit on a grounded tower and or antenna. The results were devastating, especially today when we see far more severe storms hitting everywhere even the lightning discharges seem to have increased in Intensity. At the point of earth ground are you using a single ground rod or are there buried radials extending out from the rod(s) to help dissipate the discharge? The more the radials and the deeper they are the better.
That is an impressive system you have installed, how might you compare Midnight solars new style inverters to the older modular inverters? If one inverter died in the old system you could take it out for service without disrupting the whole system, how is a failure with the new system?
So you believe that the solar panel diode’s would be fine any of those pre-mentioned events? If so, good to know.
How do you like the Radians? I prefer LF inverters and am hesitant to try them Radians. How is the imbalance on them?
A little pricey
What you forgot to mention is how the EMP shield works…
This is a paid ad by EMP Shield.
Buy yourself some midnight Solar surge protection devices for $100 bucks a pop. Save $200 or more and stop believing the BS.
I did buy those. Then I found out they will not work for an EMP. I upped my game and got EMP protection. Get a $50 discount for each unit from LDSPrepper.com/emp
It is not BS since those devices have been tested a lot. EMP shield is even working with the US military to upgrade and develop defense systems.
What people do NOT understand is that these EMP Shields have NOT been properly tested. I installed one on my Midnite Solar controller and it damaged it. I had to buy another controller and the EMP people would NOT honor their "so called" warranty. If you have any solar controller do NOT attach this item as you risk damage and they will NOT honor the warranty.