Then there's Tyrion, who survives a comically large number of injuries and possible diseases, he just reverts closer and closer to the character he's been playing all his life.
I thought it was whenever Victarion line was asked by Moqorro if he wanted to bleed him and Victarian on said she would do it was to put Blood on the horn?@@QuinnTheGM
Good to see you as always I hope you are doing great!!!!! I know quinn already said it but I would feel disrespectfully if I didn't thank you for your service.
This video feels like a fundamentally new perspective on George’s work. I watch a lot of asoiaf content and haven’t heard this put together so well. Well done Quinn this is quite possibly the best video you’ve made yet
As a man whose hands have been in constant pain and the bane of my existence for half my life, I appreciate you picking up on this. I thought I was just projecting my perspective into the novel. I often thought as I read that GRRM must have some deep familiarity with pain and the inabilities of these meat bags we find ourselves in.
I'm with you on that one. I've been dealing with a serious injury to my dominant hand for over 25 yrs now, and it's not easy or fun. Chronic pain is something you need to experience to understand, along with the limitations that it can put on you and your meat bag. I'd say that George probably knows what he's writing about from experience - you don't make it to his age without a bit of damage.
Chronic pain, even if it isn't very intense, can have quite an effect on the brain for sure, simply because *it never stops,* or at least rarely. I seriously resent the politicians in America who have zero medical experience but have decided to make it very difficult for patients in chronic pain to get prescription help to get through their daily lives. Preventing people from accessing controlled standardized meds under a doctor's supervision is precisely what drives some people to dangerous street drugs.
@@retriever19golden55 This is so true. And it's yet another reason I'm glad to live in a country with both universal healthcare, and sane drug laws. Having access to effective pain medications as part of a sensible pain management plan is part of what makes life tolerable for so many people!
Re: disabilities being hand waved away, that’s one of my biggest issues with the Hunger Games movies. In the books the characters have different physical disabilities from their times in the games and it impacts them. In the movies, thats totally left out. They split the last book into 2 movies, but totally cut out major character arcs & sub plots related to disability and PTSD.
and this also completely leaks into Martin's other works, Malenia from Elden Ring is a warrior literally rotting from the inside with a disease that has taken her arm and other parts of her body while she uses a gold prosthetic arm, definitely not a coincidence
From the thumbnail, I honestly thought you'd do a video of the crippled Kings Hands, Orys One-Hand, Tyland the Hooded Hand, and Tyrion the Imp Hand (I don't recall of there being any others). But still this was a great video, love me some Victarion!
Don't forget Catelyn and her hand wounds from defending Bran. The scars haunt her character turning from a reminder of her family being in pressing, present, danger, to representing her pride and strength as a Stark defending her family, to the symbol of the beginning of the end of her old life when she becomes Lady Stone-heart.
I was just thinking of that! Her wounded hands become a symbol of everything she would do and sacrifice to protect her family. She's definitely the beginning of the hand symbolism here.
Plus she does essentially act as the Hand for King Robb, providing guidance and taking on essential responsibilities for the war effort (although atm I can't remember if he names someone else as his hand in an official capacity).
The funniest part of Victarion getting his fiery hand is him stating to Moqorro that ironborn "laugh at pain" and then laughing maniacally at the excruciatingly painful ritual to not show weakness.
I like how in the Books, everyone got battle scars and carried injuries as the story moved forward. I get why they’re not gonna do that in the show, but in my minds eye, it shows reminds me how much the characters have been through.
Jon also burns his right hand. That wound heals, but it never really leaves him (since he continues to flex it throughout the series) Edit: just heard your bit at the end about it, fair enough lol
And a smaller character but Jacelyn Bywater (Ironhand) also lost a right hand. And Theon lost several fingers probably on his right hand (he can’t pull a bowstring back anymore which, assuming he is right handed, would mean he’s lost fingers on the right)
I think we'll probably get more on the disability/trauma part of Jon after his resurrection, kinda obvious but we take it for granted just how disturbed he may be on his return.
This was one of your truly stand out videos. An excellent way to round off the year on the channel. I am looking forward to your content in the new year!
Your analyses have become very interesting I must say! I find that the quality and research behind your videos really impresses me of Late. Thanks for this Great last vid of 2024
Can't wait for the sequel vid about injured Hands. Considering how many Hand of the Kings are injured or die in the main series and in history. The first Hand ever, Oros Baratheon loses a hand, and the 2 Hands we open with, Jon dies at the start, and Ned injured his leg.
This is a super interesting video to listen to. I think that there's also an opportunity here to talk about catelyn stark and how she received injuries to her hands that ended up hobbling her for several of her chapters due to her being willing to defend her child with her life, something that she goes on to do again and again even up to the point where it gets her killed.
Idk if Qhorin Halfhand has any thematic impact in this sense besides foreshadowing for Jaime eventually becoming a good left handed fighter. Maybe a purely practical response to disability? "Im a ranger, I need to fight, so...guess i'll just have to use the other one." Like, i doubt he ever considered retraining as a steward or anything. I do love how we see in the first book how Qhorin is this semi mythic character at the watch for becoming a great fighter with his off hand, and a few books later we see the actual process of what that's like for Jaime, and it seems like it absolutely sucks.
For future reference when explaining disabilities, diseases, and similar things: when you are born with one, it is a “congenital” disability or disease, and when you get one later in life, it is an “acquired” disability or disease. I’m not trying to be pompous or pretentious or “um actually”-ing you, but it’s just a quicker and clearer way to refer to these things! Great video!
Initial I thought this was about how many hands of the king died or were tortured or had some other horrible things done to them in the history of the world of asoiaf.
The greatjon also might fit, although not a pov character. He does lose two fingers to grey wind, which causes him to drop his sword, so odds are it's his right. He is also one of Robb's closest advisors and supporters. Now only Renly and Dany are missing a supporter with an injured right hand.
It's homage to Luke Skywalker but without the advanced technology. As yet. What if Luke had to fight Vader left-handed? Yeah, the Force might not be with you. He forgot Quoran Half-Hand.
You forgot Jon’s burns from killing the wight. And it does carry across his arc; he lets his training laps after he becomes Lord Commander and his injured fingers become stiff and clumsy, letting Mance beat him easily, and making him too slow to defend himself when he’s assassinated.
with the topic of hands it reminds me of a super minor detail in GOT that just annoys the hell out of me: Jaime doesn’t lose the hand that pushed Bran off the tower, he uses his left hand to push Bran and that always bugged me just a tiny bit
All four characters represent a different stage of their injury as well: Davos has an old wound long since accepted, Jamie has just received their wound and is coping with the immediate fallout, Victerion has a wound undone (at least seemingly averted) and Jon Connington is grappling with the threat of a wound yet to come. Just thought it was interesting that the parallels also operate on the axis of time and uncertainty.
I would love to see you tackle how loss of an eye in asoiaf seemingly makes the characters who suffered it more bend on their views on who is right and who is wrong, particularly when it comes to the succession of the Iron Throne.
Jon and Cat also deal with hand injuries that are brought up almost once a chapter until they’re deaths. Both get the injury while saving someone close to them
Orys Baratheon, the original Hand of the King, lost his hand fighting in the First Dornish War. That fits with the theme of karmic justice since George pretty strongly parallels that to the U.S. War in Vietnam.
I have heard from Ellio and Linda that originaly Bittersteel would have lost a hand to Bloodraven during their duel on Redgrass field. But GRRM removed it because to many characters were losing hands. Would have been a nice parallel to both Victarion/Euron and Tyr/Oden.
I think there are honestly a lot of echoes of the originally intended Jon/Arya endgame still in the published versions of the book. It's really odd. I kind of think GRRM still has some fondness for that original plan but thinks it would be particularly poorly received.
Great thoughts, as always. But I almost sure the "safire!" scene comes after Jaime's mutilation in the books. In the show, however, worked perfectly to illustrate your point
Catelyn also sustains a hand injury when protecting Bran from the cats paw assassin. I For her, it serves more of a reminder of the peril her family now faces after getting tangled up in the politics and conspiracies of King's Landing.
Before GRRM even wrote Game of Thrones, in the Wild Cards books Dr Tachyon had his hand amputated by Mackie Messer. If you read GRRM's other fiction, his pre-GoT fiction, you do see certain events and themes that he reused for aSoIaF.
There is symbolism. The hands symbolize your impact and influence in the world (like Hand of the King). When George destroys hands, he is saying you been doing life right. Every hand destruction seems to come with change in station. Davos from smuggler to Knight. Jaime from Varsity to the benches. You could apply the fate of Hoate the Goat here too.
I think you might have made a video on this before, but during the iron suitor where Victarion has his hand healed by Moqorro there is a passage that is a little divergent from how GRRM has written ASOIAF. It passes from the perspective of Victarion to what can best be descried as an Omniscient Narrator, we never see what happens in the cabin but we get a description of what happens outside the cabin without any POV. Do you think there is a story based reason as to why GRRM did this or was it just to keep mystery around what happened to Victarion?
@@josephbulkin9222 I respect that theory but if that was the case wouldn't there be a change in how the charterer thinks and is written in future chapters. When Beric was turned into a Fire Wight he said that he was a shadow of the person who died on the Mummer's Ford and Catelyn changed into a creature of vengeance. My point is it is a very unique passage when it comes to asoiaf, it's honestly something I would expect out of Dune.
@Edmuresrampantmanhood-dp3jd Maybe Vic is too dim to realize he died and came back to life. And the Jurys out on whether this might happen again after the Battle of Fire(Victarion will survive.)
Videos like this are why you are the only ASOIAF person I watch anymore. We all make the shitposting jokes but it genuinely is nice to see analysis of the literature instead of a thousand "BUTT WHAT IF HOT PIE EZ SECERATTLY WAS THE SON OF A MERMAN AND KEVAN LANNISTAR??!! XD 🤪😜😝🤭😮" Videos. Actual discussion of the meaning of the work instead of people trying to get Bingo on their ASOIAF Theory Bingo Card.
I am going to point out two things about Davos injury 1) he endured willingly 2) he only asked that Stannis do it himself This mutual appreciation of Stannis's justice seems to be the anchor of their friendship
I've recently seen someone who apparently has never read ASOIAF theorise about Elden Ring and the fact that so many characters miss an eye, or are completely blind and all I could think is that that was probably GRRMs influence
I rewatched the series, when Cersei visits Catelyn after Bran falls from the tower she said Robert broke his hands punching the walls when she lost her first child, then she ads:" men do those things when they care about something"... Yes, Jaime did care about Brienne. And now i think on it, just later Cat cuts badly her hands with a valyrian dagger trying to defend Bran
btw you can swim in plate armor... you would be surprised by how nimble one can be in it. you can full on sprint in it do judo roles and all that. soldiers in the modern day ware just as much equipment in wight and they can swim with it the only difference is that armor distributes the wait more equally and that it restricts moment a bit more. The amount of movement that you sacrifice isn't that major though. I am confident that i could swim in it and I have worn historical full plate armor and i am just a decent swimmer.
Nah Jaime could have died just from the pain he was in, even if he wasn't in immediate danger from bleeding to death, before they burned his wrist to cauterise it. And that doesn't even begin to start with the risk to his life from the rampant infection it caused.
I believe that lots of ASoIaF is built on a Dragonbone Chair structure. Which means to me that the characters who have lost a right hand are split out from Josua. Definitely Jamie and Vic, but maybe Sir Onions is mostly Binibiq? Or not.
I think it’s a mistake not to look closer at Jon’s injury! Also notable that Catelyn permanently injured her hands defending Bran. There’s some of this imagery going on with Theon as well!
Even when the show was still good, missing Jon Snow's constant focus on his injured hand should have been a red flag. It's closer to Geralt's book injury in the Witcher than the other 4 in this video though
Qhorin Halfhand hurt his hand in combat with a wildling; he blocked an axe with his hand much like Victarion. I have surmised that Qhorin Halfhand is really Ser Gerold Hightower - in disguise, and not dead at the Tower of Joy - and in the North on a mission from Rhaegar Targaryen. Ser Gerold got pierced in the hand with an arrow from the battlements at the siege of Duskendale, so he would be less concerned to sacrifice it. I have read on Quora the theory that Mance Rayder is Ser Arthur Dayne in disguise, charged by Rhaegar to unite the free men beyond the Wall. Likely, Ser Gerold and Ser Oswell Whent had related reasons to be in the North.
Jaime's father lost his own "right hand" in the death of Joanna and then threw himself into his role as Hand even more, while planning in secret to overthrow the king. Jaime now plays a similar role, making peace and planning to save the people of Westeros while planning to overthrow the queen. Makes you wonder if Tywin also had dyslexia, if you're really theory-brained.
Only Quinn would find new and interesting literary parallels and themes just to talk about Joncon again
Then there's Tyrion, who survives a comically large number of injuries and possible diseases, he just reverts closer and closer to the character he's been playing all his life.
As a current cancer patient and someone who has sustained traumatic injuries in the military this interests me greatly.
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I thought it was whenever Victarion line was asked by Moqorro if he wanted to bleed him and Victarian on said she would do it was to put Blood on the horn?@@QuinnTheGM
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Good to see you as always I hope you are doing great!!!!! I know quinn already said it but I would feel disrespectfully if I didn't thank you for your service.
This video feels like a fundamentally new perspective on George’s work. I watch a lot of asoiaf content and haven’t heard this put together so well. Well done Quinn this is quite possibly the best video you’ve made yet
As a man whose hands have been in constant pain and the bane of my existence for half my life, I appreciate you picking up on this. I thought I was just projecting my perspective into the novel. I often thought as I read that GRRM must have some deep familiarity with pain and the inabilities of these meat bags we find ourselves in.
I'm with you on that one. I've been dealing with a serious injury to my dominant hand for over 25 yrs now, and it's not easy or fun. Chronic pain is something you need to experience to understand, along with the limitations that it can put on you and your meat bag. I'd say that George probably knows what he's writing about from experience - you don't make it to his age without a bit of damage.
Chronic pain, even if it isn't very intense, can have quite an effect on the brain for sure, simply because *it never stops,* or at least rarely. I seriously resent the politicians in America who have zero medical experience but have decided to make it very difficult for patients in chronic pain to get prescription help to get through their daily lives. Preventing people from accessing controlled standardized meds under a doctor's supervision is precisely what drives some people to dangerous street drugs.
@@retriever19golden55 This is so true. And it's yet another reason I'm glad to live in a country with both universal healthcare, and sane drug laws. Having access to effective pain medications as part of a sensible pain management plan is part of what makes life tolerable for so many people!
Re: disabilities being hand waved away, that’s one of my biggest issues with the Hunger Games movies.
In the books the characters have different physical disabilities from their times in the games and it impacts them. In the movies, thats totally left out.
They split the last book into 2 movies, but totally cut out major character arcs & sub plots related to disability and PTSD.
I’d argue that various manifestations of PTSD is the main theme of the Hunger Games series.
The other 5 Joncon fans and I cheering every time you mention him
As your favorite viewer I'm looking forward to my next personalized video. Thanks for all you do for specifically me and no one else.
These all line up with four horsemen. War lines up with Victarion, Pestilence with JonCon, Famine with Davos, and Death with Jaime.
Woah
But Davos lifted famine
Daaaamn thats good!
@@davidlewis5312still associated with famine
Welp, this would somewhat explains Elden Ring's obsession with multilated evil fingers...
Now that's a very accurate title for the video.
GRRM: *kills the HAND of the King, Ned Stark
Also GRRM: *chops Jaime Lannister's HAND
Not to mention that the death of the previous Hand of the King, Jon Arryn, is in a way the catalyst for Ned’s story in GoT 😱
Also GRRM: Kills another HAND of the king, Tywin Lannister
Or if you go deeper into the Baratheon's line, Orys Baratheon, first hand of the king, ended up also losing his hand to the dornishmen
and this also completely leaks into Martin's other works, Malenia from Elden Ring is a warrior literally rotting from the inside with a disease that has taken her arm and other parts of her body while she uses a gold prosthetic arm, definitely not a coincidence
@@davisiotta489Elden ring is just reskinned asoiaf
From the thumbnail, I honestly thought you'd do a video of the crippled Kings Hands, Orys One-Hand, Tyland the Hooded Hand, and Tyrion the Imp Hand (I don't recall of there being any others). But still this was a great video, love me some Victarion!
I know nothing
Ned technically was crippled after Jamie fought him
Don't forget Catelyn and her hand wounds from defending Bran. The scars haunt her character turning from a reminder of her family being in pressing, present, danger, to representing her pride and strength as a Stark defending her family, to the symbol of the beginning of the end of her old life when she becomes Lady Stone-heart.
I was just thinking of that! Her wounded hands become a symbol of everything she would do and sacrifice to protect her family. She's definitely the beginning of the hand symbolism here.
That would complete the set as she is a pov in book 1 when this happens
Plus she does essentially act as the Hand for King Robb, providing guidance and taking on essential responsibilities for the war effort (although atm I can't remember if he names someone else as his hand in an official capacity).
Also Jon Snow, who has a similar situation wrt Jeor Mormont
The funniest part of Victarion getting his fiery hand is him stating to Moqorro that ironborn "laugh at pain" and then laughing maniacally at the excruciatingly painful ritual to not show weakness.
So Metal 😎
I like how in the Books, everyone got battle scars and carried injuries as the story moved forward. I get why they’re not gonna do that in the show, but in my minds eye, it shows reminds me how much the characters have been through.
Littlefinger is also from the Fingers. What attention to detail. Bravo, Vince. (Good video, btw)
Like I said in your video about how GRRM writes disability, I love this type of video from you! You’re great at analysis and really persuasive!
Jon also burns his right hand. That wound heals, but it never really leaves him (since he continues to flex it throughout the series)
Edit: just heard your bit at the end about it, fair enough lol
I feel like Jon’s burnt hand represents his first experience with the undead. Which is its own trauma but not exactly a disability like the rest
His hand burn is a constant reminder of the threat of the white walkers and how he needs to fight them.
And a smaller character but Jacelyn Bywater (Ironhand) also lost a right hand.
And Theon lost several fingers probably on his right hand (he can’t pull a bowstring back anymore which, assuming he is right handed, would mean he’s lost fingers on the right)
I think we'll probably get more on the disability/trauma part of Jon after his resurrection, kinda obvious but we take it for granted just how disturbed he may be on his return.
He’s also close to the ruler of the Night’s Watch, similar to the other characters.
This was one of your truly stand out videos. An excellent way to round off the year on the channel. I am looking forward to your content in the new year!
Your analyses have become very interesting I must say! I find that the quality and research behind your videos really impresses me of Late. Thanks for this Great last vid of 2024
Such a fresh perspective! Have a Happy New Year, Quinn the Grandmother! 🎉🎉🎉
Thanks for all your awesome videos along the years.
Can't wait for the sequel vid about injured Hands. Considering how many Hand of the Kings are injured or die in the main series and in history. The first Hand ever, Oros Baratheon loses a hand, and the 2 Hands we open with, Jon dies at the start, and Ned injured his leg.
This is a super interesting video to listen to. I think that there's also an opportunity here to talk about catelyn stark and how she received injuries to her hands that ended up hobbling her for several of her chapters due to her being willing to defend her child with her life, something that she goes on to do again and again even up to the point where it gets her killed.
Idk if Qhorin Halfhand has any thematic impact in this sense besides foreshadowing for Jaime eventually becoming a good left handed fighter. Maybe a purely practical response to disability? "Im a ranger, I need to fight, so...guess i'll just have to use the other one." Like, i doubt he ever considered retraining as a steward or anything.
I do love how we see in the first book how Qhorin is this semi mythic character at the watch for becoming a great fighter with his off hand, and a few books later we see the actual process of what that's like for Jaime, and it seems like it absolutely sucks.
Ur videos are my favorite. Thank you for continuing to make videos about topics I would have never thought of otherwise!
For future reference when explaining disabilities, diseases, and similar things: when you are born with one, it is a “congenital” disability or disease, and when you get one later in life, it is an “acquired” disability or disease. I’m not trying to be pompous or pretentious or “um actually”-ing you, but it’s just a quicker and clearer way to refer to these things! Great video!
"You really have to hand it to George Martin" Quinn you mad lad 😂
Initial I thought this was about how many hands of the king died or were tortured or had some other horrible things done to them in the history of the world of asoiaf.
Catelyn also has wounded hand
The greatjon also might fit, although not a pov character. He does lose two fingers to grey wind, which causes him to drop his sword, so odds are it's his right. He is also one of Robb's closest advisors and supporters. Now only Renly and Dany are missing a supporter with an injured right hand.
Great video, always enjoy when you analyze grrm’s use of motifs and themes
Awesome!! The last few videos have been certified BANGERS!
It's homage to Luke Skywalker but without the advanced technology. As yet. What if Luke had to fight Vader left-handed? Yeah, the Force might not be with you.
He forgot Quoran Half-Hand.
Jon has an injured hand that he flexes throughout the book
One other character who has this traits is the Hound
He is limping and is changed as a grave digger
You forgot Jon’s burns from killing the wight. And it does carry across his arc; he lets his training laps after he becomes Lord Commander and his injured fingers become stiff and clumsy, letting Mance beat him easily, and making him too slow to defend himself when he’s assassinated.
Edit; nvm
As someone with ADHD, I want to see a video about how Darkstar has ADHD
Does he have ADHD or is he an embodiment of the Grateful Dead song Dark Star. Is there even a difference?
@nathanielvalla6142 I don't think there's a difference
with the topic of hands it reminds me of a super minor detail in GOT that just annoys the hell out of me: Jaime doesn’t lose the hand that pushed Bran off the tower, he uses his left hand to push Bran and that always bugged me just a tiny bit
Maybe that's part of how losing his hand isn't portrayed as justice.
Thanks, Quinn. Happy holidays!
Ready for the JonCon love😄
JonCon is Quinn's original DILF.
All four characters represent a different stage of their injury as well: Davos has an old wound long since accepted, Jamie has just received their wound and is coping with the immediate fallout, Victerion has a wound undone (at least seemingly averted) and Jon Connington is grappling with the threat of a wound yet to come.
Just thought it was interesting that the parallels also operate on the axis of time and uncertainty.
You could also include theon in this group, he's the ultimate example of an injury acting as a turning point
I would love to see you tackle how loss of an eye in asoiaf seemingly makes the characters who suffered it more bend on their views on who is right and who is wrong, particularly when it comes to the succession of the Iron Throne.
Jon and Cat also deal with hand injuries that are brought up almost once a chapter until they’re deaths. Both get the injury while saving someone close to them
I thought the title was referring to Hand of the king which funnily enough still would’ve worked
Orys Baratheon, the original Hand of the King, lost his hand fighting in the First Dornish War. That fits with the theme of karmic justice since George pretty strongly parallels that to the U.S. War in Vietnam.
Other parallels are Jon Con. and Victatarion hid their injured hands, while Jaimie and Davos wore theirs around their necks for a while
And Jaime also walks around Riverrun with just his stump. 'He will not show them a golden lie'
Victarion’s ship “infested” by monkeys? Ouch. Graced, more like.
Valid
@@three-eyedmonkey7344 exactly. The Iron Victory calls all manner of beasts to it.
When I first saw the thumbnail I thought this would be a theory about why he isn't typing up Winds right now.
Great job Quinn
I think examining the First Hand who lost his sword hand in Dorne might be interesting.
Speaking of disabilities, I would love to see one about mental disabilities. I think George is also pretty good at handling those
Banger video Quinn
Frickin great video dude ❤
I have heard from Ellio and Linda that originaly Bittersteel would have lost a hand to Bloodraven during their duel on Redgrass field. But GRRM removed it because to many characters were losing hands. Would have been a nice parallel to both Victarion/Euron and Tyr/Oden.
Jon’s hand wound is what convinced Mormont that he was worthy…
What about Coldhands?
Weird thing I’ve noticed is when Jon talks about his hurt hand he almost always thinks about Arya afterwords.
I think there are honestly a lot of echoes of the originally intended Jon/Arya endgame still in the published versions of the book. It's really odd. I kind of think GRRM still has some fondness for that original plan but thinks it would be particularly poorly received.
Great thoughts, as always. But I almost sure the "safire!" scene comes after Jaime's mutilation in the books. In the show, however, worked perfectly to illustrate your point
Catelyn also sustains a hand injury when protecting Bran from the cats paw assassin. I
For her, it serves more of a reminder of the peril her family now faces after getting tangled up in the politics and conspiracies of King's Landing.
I was thinking of how Jon's hand still feels raw from smashing that zombie with the fire lantern, even in Dance
18:11 yeah he does! I just wish he'd write books more often! 💀
Before GRRM even wrote Game of Thrones, in the Wild Cards books Dr Tachyon had his hand amputated by Mackie Messer. If you read GRRM's other fiction, his pre-GoT fiction, you do see certain events and themes that he reused for aSoIaF.
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Hand review
12:30 Wait, Jaime loses a hand?
Great video
Great vid !
great video!
There is symbolism. The hands symbolize your impact and influence in the world (like Hand of the King). When George destroys hands, he is saying you been doing life right. Every hand destruction seems to come with change in station. Davos from smuggler to Knight. Jaime from Varsity to the benches. You could apply the fate of Hoate the Goat here too.
I think you might have made a video on this before, but during the iron suitor where Victarion has his hand healed by Moqorro there is a passage that is a little divergent from how GRRM has written ASOIAF. It passes from the perspective of Victarion to what can best be descried as an Omniscient Narrator, we never see what happens in the cabin but we get a description of what happens outside the cabin without any POV. Do you think there is a story based reason as to why GRRM did this or was it just to keep mystery around what happened to Victarion?
My theory there, Is that Victarion's soul had left its body for that full day. Moqorro turned him into a sort of Fire Wight.
@@josephbulkin9222 I respect that theory but if that was the case wouldn't there be a change in how the charterer thinks and is written in future chapters. When Beric was turned into a Fire Wight he said that he was a shadow of the person who died on the Mummer's Ford and Catelyn changed into a creature of vengeance. My point is it is a very unique passage when it comes to asoiaf, it's honestly something I would expect out of Dune.
@Edmuresrampantmanhood-dp3jd Maybe Vic is too dim to realize he died and came back to life.
And the Jurys out on whether this might happen again after the Battle of Fire(Victarion will survive.)
Videos like this are why you are the only ASOIAF person I watch anymore. We all make the shitposting jokes but it genuinely is nice to see analysis of the literature instead of a thousand "BUTT WHAT IF HOT PIE EZ SECERATTLY WAS THE SON OF A MERMAN AND KEVAN LANNISTAR??!! XD 🤪😜😝🤭😮" Videos. Actual discussion of the meaning of the work instead of people trying to get Bingo on their ASOIAF Theory Bingo Card.
I was just thinking that. 99% of ASOIAF videos are theorizing plot events rather than analyzing the text as a work of literature.
02:15 Wait what? Jaime is Tommen's father?!
Sorry spoilers
@@QuinnTheGM I deny these disgusting rumours. Tommen is the true-born son of Blobert Baratheongreyjoy.
@@tomralfe5428 based. Always knew Stannis was a liar.
Its like comic books someone has to lose an arm so you know its serious
A great video
10:10 Wait, secretly Tywin?
I am going to point out two things about Davos injury
1) he endured willingly
2) he only asked that Stannis do it himself
This mutual appreciation of Stannis's justice seems to be the anchor of their friendship
I've recently seen someone who apparently has never read ASOIAF theorise about Elden Ring and the fact that so many characters miss an eye, or are completely blind and all I could think is that that was probably GRRMs influence
I rewatched the series, when Cersei visits Catelyn after Bran falls from the tower she said Robert broke his hands punching the walls when she lost her first child, then she ads:" men do those things when they care about something"... Yes, Jaime did care about Brienne.
And now i think on it, just later Cat cuts badly her hands with a valyrian dagger trying to defend Bran
Not just Jon snow. Catlyn also gets her hand cut to the bone by the catspaw assassin.
Victarion’s injury happens to his left hand, the one he holds his shield in.
I see, a reason to talk about JonCon once more
I WILL BE THERE!
Is that Victarion I see? MY HERO!!!! He's finally here.
I hate to tell you though, it's Vic's left arm that gets injured in Feast, not his right.
btw you can swim in plate armor... you would be surprised by how nimble one can be in it. you can full on sprint in it do judo roles and all that. soldiers in the modern day ware just as much equipment in wight and they can swim with it the only difference is that armor distributes the wait more equally and that it restricts moment a bit more. The amount of movement that you sacrifice isn't that major though. I am confident that i could swim in it and I have worn historical full plate armor and i am just a decent swimmer.
Ned was injured in the knee too I think
Well the hand is a symbol of productivity as well as hands are the most realistic part of the body to sustain injuries during combat and daily life.
Jon burnt his hand in AGoT and Theon got his fingers filleted.
Nah Jaime could have died just from the pain he was in, even if he wasn't in immediate danger from bleeding to death, before they burned his wrist to cauterise it. And that doesn't even begin to start with the risk to his life from the rampant infection it caused.
Shrimply the best. I'm dying.
I believe that lots of ASoIaF is built on a Dragonbone Chair structure. Which means to me that the characters who have lost a right hand are split out from Josua. Definitely Jamie and Vic, but maybe Sir Onions is mostly Binibiq? Or not.
I think it’s a mistake not to look closer at Jon’s injury! Also notable that Catelyn permanently injured her hands defending Bran. There’s some of this imagery going on with Theon as well!
what about catelyn in book 1? she also cuts her hand
You mentioned Jon Snow at the end, but why leave out Qhorin Half-hand?
For Serious, though...it's SO many parts. Body parts..starting with Heads. Pretty sure we could stitch an entire army from body parts.
Even when the show was still good, missing Jon Snow's constant focus on his injured hand should have been a red flag. It's closer to Geralt's book injury in the Witcher than the other 4 in this video though
I thought the video would be about the Hand of the King not literally about hands
It still absolutely blows my mind how D & D made Jaime’s redemption absolutely pointless in the end.
also orys baratheon lost his hand and was the first hand of the king. (didnt start video yet idk if you mention this)
Qhorin Halfhand hurt his hand in combat with a wildling; he blocked an axe with his hand much like Victarion. I have surmised that Qhorin Halfhand is really Ser Gerold Hightower - in disguise, and not dead at the Tower of Joy - and in the North on a mission from Rhaegar Targaryen. Ser Gerold got pierced in the hand with an arrow from the battlements at the siege of Duskendale, so he would be less concerned to sacrifice it. I have read on Quora the theory that Mance Rayder is Ser Arthur Dayne in disguise, charged by Rhaegar to unite the free men beyond the Wall. Likely, Ser Gerold and Ser Oswell Whent had related reasons to be in the North.
Jaime's father lost his own "right hand" in the death of Joanna and then threw himself into his role as Hand even more, while planning in secret to overthrow the king. Jaime now plays a similar role, making peace and planning to save the people of Westeros while planning to overthrow the queen. Makes you wonder if Tywin also had dyslexia, if you're really theory-brained.
It's not Asoiaf, but in Fire and Blood we have Orys Baratheon the first hand of the King loosing a hand