Sometimes AI is Literally Just 1000 Underpaid Workers in India

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Комментарии • 618

  • @chromacat248
    @chromacat248 6 месяцев назад +3348

    AI doesn't stand for "artificial intelligence" it actually stands for "an indian"

    • @michael_v92
      @michael_v92 6 месяцев назад +224

      AI stands for Army of Indians. Obv

    • @komocakeps527
      @komocakeps527 6 месяцев назад +153

      Actual Indians

    • @nikunjkhangwal
      @nikunjkhangwal 6 месяцев назад +14

      Can confirm

    • @Syzygy_Bliss
      @Syzygy_Bliss 6 месяцев назад +7

      Ficial intelligence is getting pretty crazy these days.

    • @InfernosReaper
      @InfernosReaper 6 месяцев назад +31

      *Available Indian

  • @bradhaines3142
    @bradhaines3142 6 месяцев назад +973

    that makes this so 90s. going from 'AI IS GONNA STEAL ALL THE JOBS' to 'theyre outsourcing all the jobs to An Indian'

    • @gordonoboh833
      @gordonoboh833 6 месяцев назад +31

      ‘An Indian’? The acronym is also AI.

    • @Krisszhu1990
      @Krisszhu1990 6 месяцев назад +27

      @@gordonoboh833 That was the joke :)

    • @tengahhidup
      @tengahhidup 6 месяцев назад +4

      Back then they outsourced it to china

    • @paulocunhamartins
      @paulocunhamartins 6 месяцев назад +2

      Dey took awr jeewwwwbs

    • @tripplefives1402
      @tripplefives1402 6 месяцев назад +7

      @@tengahhidup Software was outsourced to India. Hardware was outsourced to China.

  • @CarlosPCmx
    @CarlosPCmx 6 месяцев назад +730

    I am amazed that Luke didn't know about Amazon Mechanical Turk as it has been in operation for 19 years.

    • @Zeryther
      @Zeryther 6 месяцев назад +37

      sounds to me like he heard about it before, but didn't look into it too much

    • @BAGELMENSK
      @BAGELMENSK 6 месяцев назад +14

      Me and my mom used to do it!

    • @WhyGodby
      @WhyGodby 6 месяцев назад

      What? What was your use case​@@BAGELMENSK

    • @jonathanrogers6427
      @jonathanrogers6427 6 месяцев назад +42

      Also that Linus had never heard of mechnical turks as a concept.

    • @iamgates7679
      @iamgates7679 6 месяцев назад +3

      Right , also incredulous Linus is the most annoying Linus

  • @Amphibax
    @Amphibax 6 месяцев назад +225

    In some countries earning 10$/h is a pretty decent wage but knowing amazon I don't think they pay a penny more they absolutly need to

    • @hopperelec
      @hopperelec 6 месяцев назад +10

      Amazon isn't the one who pays MTurk workers. MTurk just acts as a middleman between workers and other employers.

    • @horntx
      @horntx 6 месяцев назад +22

      I don't know why so many people are OK with wages being tied to cost of living when someone in rural West Virginia makes less than someone living in NYC, but it becomes problematic when someone living in India makes less than someone living in Rural west virginia. Wages are tied to the local purchasing power of the currency not the absolute amount because wages are (theoretically and in most cases in practice on a marco scale) driven by the local free market. You can live like a king in in India on 12 /hr, but in NYC you will be living in a cardboard box with that wage.

    • @peterhindes56
      @peterhindes56 6 месяцев назад

      But that just forwards capitalistic imperialism. someone from the US could easily move to India. But somewhere from India couldn't realistically come and live in the US on their savings from India. Additionally, certain markets being global like computer parts. It makes accessing these things extremely hard for people whose local currency is devalued relative to the empowered Nations such as the u.s ​@@horntx

    • @hewhohasnoidentity4377
      @hewhohasnoidentity4377 6 месяцев назад +7

      Labor is just another expense. Why would any company pay a penny more than they have to for anything? Do you pay more rent than is being requested? Do you pay more for your phone service than the carrier charges?

    • @tripplefives1402
      @tripplefives1402 6 месяцев назад +2

      $10 an hour is like Elon Musk rich in India.

  • @ctownskier
    @ctownskier 6 месяцев назад +864

    Mechanical turk is just an enterprise version of fiverr

    • @hikotee
      @hikotee 6 месяцев назад +9

      I was here to say this!!

    • @rightwingsafetysquad9872
      @rightwingsafetysquad9872 6 месяцев назад +48

      Fivrr is for people with skills, MT is for menial labor like data formatting.

    • @thehandle711
      @thehandle711 6 месяцев назад +46

      Also how can you be a tech youtuber and not know about Mechanical Turk? Amazon has been running this program for almost 20 years.

    • @crytocc
      @crytocc 6 месяцев назад +12

      No, it really isn't. The big difference is that on Fiverr, the person offering the service (ie. the worker) decides what service is being offered under what conditions. On MTurk, the person with the money (ie. the 'employer') decides the terms and conditions of the service, with no room for negotiating. The power dynamics are completely different.

    • @rightwingsafetysquad9872
      @rightwingsafetysquad9872 6 месяцев назад +4

      @@crytocc Calling it a "power dynamic" implies something that isn't really there. MT is a "help wanted" service mostly intended for menial tasks. Fivrr is a "services offered" service mostly intended for skilled work. There's no power relationship with MT because there's no relationship at all. You either accept the terms offered or you don't.
      With Fivrr, there's some room for the "employer" to try to extract more from the artists in terms of reworks. But there's not really any reason the contractor can't just refuse, there's no relationship there to damage.

  • @cavejohnson4054
    @cavejohnson4054 6 месяцев назад +596

    wtf, i was joking when i said chatgpt was just an indian in a box

    • @J-wm4ss
      @J-wm4ss 6 месяцев назад +39

      there was an analysis on how many papers used "delve", and it turns out they quadrupled in 2023, which people suspected was from chatgpt. Some people were speculating that educated nigerians used that phrase a lot, feeding a lot of training data to ChatGPT, causing the increase in that word.

    • @WhyGodby
      @WhyGodby 6 месяцев назад +20

      ​@@J-wm4ssdo people not use delve in normal conversation

    • @Stretchwiz
      @Stretchwiz 6 месяцев назад +31

      @@WhyGodby let's not get delved into who crashed into who

    • @thebestevertherewas
      @thebestevertherewas 6 месяцев назад

      @@WhyGodby People in the West do not.
      If you delve into it, Indians and NIgerians use it a lot

    • @siliconhawk
      @siliconhawk 6 месяцев назад +3

      gotta name it AI chat turk.
      "an indian chat turk"

  • @rightwingsafetysquad9872
    @rightwingsafetysquad9872 6 месяцев назад +202

    Amazon Mechanical Turk never pretended to be AI. It's always been advertised effectively as 'rent an intern'. It predates this AI craze by several years.

    • @ian562ADF52E
      @ian562ADF52E 6 месяцев назад +13

      +1 I also don't think that article states the cashierless store used Mechanical Turks.

    • @goldensloth7
      @goldensloth7 6 месяцев назад +1

      right? this has been around for ages.

    • @hat1324
      @hat1324 6 месяцев назад +3

      Well it's namesake definitely did :)
      And they are/were using MTurk to train AI models, which is a lot of what the platform is used for.

    • @gwenc1371
      @gwenc1371 4 месяца назад

      It's literally even in the name...

  • @ritwikism
    @ritwikism 6 месяцев назад +809

    For context, $10 an hour for 40 hour weeks translates to INR 1.7m a year which puts you in the top 10% of salaried employees in India

    • @_shreyash_anand
      @_shreyash_anand 6 месяцев назад +90

      Oh you're well into the top 3-5% if you're making 1.7 mil per annum. Maybe even 1%.

    • @Menirz
      @Menirz 6 месяцев назад +135

      I knew exchange rates made these "menial" wage jobs viable, but I didn't realize it was that substantial.

    • @kingayvaz
      @kingayvaz 6 месяцев назад +28

      Bro, that's around double my current monthly earning. How do i start working remote for amazon?

    • @average_rite
      @average_rite 6 месяцев назад +55

      ​@@Menirzyeah but the problem is that you don't get US rates so yeah it's still viable but nothing crazy like it looks

    • @Br4nchy28
      @Br4nchy28 6 месяцев назад +73

      Exactly what I was thinking, I moved from South Africa to the UK 3 years ago and I'm currently earning fairly close to minimum wage in the UK (and have what I'd consider to be a fairly good standard of living) but if I were earning the same amount of money in GPB as I am right now but in South Africa I'd be living like a fucking king... you can't just convert currencies and assume the standard of living would be the same as though you were living in the country you're converting currencies from, they're not even remotely close to one another.

  • @bose80085
    @bose80085 6 месяцев назад +65

    This is actually a very common thing in India. I used to work for a company where the product would scan an invoice and get the datapoints using OCR. That product would sometime get 4% automation in a batch of 100,000 invoices. The product team members would do rest of them manually, sometimes staying back in office for 2-3 days at a time.
    Also, USD 1200/month is a pretty respectable salary in India especially for a fresher.

  • @randycurry1570
    @randycurry1570 6 месяцев назад +273

    I in college tried working for mechanical Turk. It’s insane stupid jobs that pay like a penny an hour.
    Example of a job: look at pictures of gas station refrigerators and enter the inventory of drinks you see. Stuff like that. But the pay was just not worth the time.

    • @ghajik.
      @ghajik. 6 месяцев назад +24

      similar to captcha solving i see

    • @dingus1720
      @dingus1720 6 месяцев назад

      you can count on jeff bozo to exploit workers for corporate greed.

    • @madmen2288
      @madmen2288 6 месяцев назад +6

      There used to be some wild hit that would pay decently. But yeah it gone to shit a long time ago.

    • @benjaminmiddaugh2729
      @benjaminmiddaugh2729 6 месяцев назад +7

      ​@@ghajik.Yeah. When I looked at it it was mainly stuff that machine vision couldn't easily decipher.

    • @AlextheguitarFreak
      @AlextheguitarFreak 6 месяцев назад +2

      same, checked it out and did maybe one job before finding out how ridiculous the pay was.

  • @magicarmyman
    @magicarmyman 6 месяцев назад +190

    my local university replaced the in union convenience store with one of these just walk in things. immediately the prices jumped, the selection dropped, and you had to download a crappy app if you wanted to use the money that comes with your meal plan. im still salty about it

    • @leeroyjenkins0
      @leeroyjenkins0 6 месяцев назад +75

      "Since we've switched to a less reliable system you'll have to pay extra to cover the risk we're choosing to incur"

    • @Disorderly_Cuck
      @Disorderly_Cuck 6 месяцев назад +10

      ​@leeroyjenkins0 That's a perfect way to put it. I'm bad with words. 😅

    • @Disorderly_Cuck
      @Disorderly_Cuck 6 месяцев назад

      @ZaHandle you talkin' Bout that tik tak guy

    • @kadosho02
      @kadosho02 6 месяцев назад

      That sounds like a nightmare, and a headache 🤦

    • @kingofthekoopas8857
      @kingofthekoopas8857 6 месяцев назад

      A mall near my house installed one. It was open for two weeks before shutting down permanently

  • @darthhodges
    @darthhodges 6 месяцев назад +102

    $10 an hour is wealthy in much of the world. For example, in India minimum wage is $2.12 per DAY (converted to US dollars). Assuming eight hours is a full day that's just 26.5 cents per hour. China's minimum wage has gone up dramatically from where they used to be and are now a little over $2 an hour. So yeah, probably not many Americans or Canadians working for MTurk.

    • @crackny4n
      @crackny4n 6 месяцев назад +12

      In eastern european countries $10 an hour is quite good too

    • @namegoeshere197
      @namegoeshere197 6 месяцев назад +4

      Alot of wealthy country's dont even have minimum wage

    • @sithonsithon1012
      @sithonsithon1012 6 месяцев назад +3

      You can get higher paying jobs if you can write with some fluency.

    • @Jsph-rh1wc
      @Jsph-rh1wc 6 месяцев назад +1

      You're right, i work for 10usd and its a good deal living in mexico

    • @csl223
      @csl223 6 месяцев назад

      I would bet the average mturk “worker” gets closer to $1/hr… certainly nowhere close to 10

  • @kirinervosa
    @kirinervosa 6 месяцев назад +23

    I just feel the need to add, my mom used to do MTurk a lot. She had some tampermonkey scripts that helped her quickly grab the good jobs. She would get paid anywhere between $15 to $30 per hour to do surveys and ai training while she sat on the couch watching TV and chilling with the dogs. Maybe MTurk pays people in other countries at a lower rate, but based on what she said I doubt the workers were underpaid
    edit: the "jobs" she was usually paid for were things like saying whether a recorded conversation was positive/negative, matching portraits to emotions, listening to an unknown artist's song, etc.
    Every job is basically just a game of waiting until you need to click on something, then making sure you click on the right thing.

  • @av1204
    @av1204 6 месяцев назад +385

    That name is legit the best thing Amazon has done in years

    • @lartrak
      @lartrak 6 месяцев назад +66

      Yeah, it was a pretty clever reference if you know history of stuff like this. There's been a number of things like that, where it was made to look like a machine but was a person doing it. Mechanical turk is just the most famous one.

    • @RillianGrant
      @RillianGrant 6 месяцев назад

      ​@@PsycheitoutBusted?

    • @SuperSmashDolls
      @SuperSmashDolls 6 месяцев назад

      @@Psycheitout Because up until VERY recently the official policy of the US government regarding monopolies was "actually monopolies are based and consumer welfare pilled" so they let Amazon buy up everything and take over.

    • @zakofrx
      @zakofrx 6 месяцев назад +15

      Its from the Famous Mechanical Turk that was a robot that played chess a really long time ago...
      Under the robot was a box thst hid a man tgat my controlled it..
      This is back when Japan had mechanical tea surving robots that used wooden cams and springs made from whale bones etc...

    • @Psycheitout
      @Psycheitout 6 месяцев назад +1

      @@dorian6021 Oh wow yeah that makes no sense... I don't even remember writing this... I gotta stop commenting on stuff when I'm half awake getting ready for work!
      Now I'm torn between leaving it for the world to see so your reply has context, or deleting it in shame...

  • @imitt12
    @imitt12 6 месяцев назад +18

    Just wanted to make a note here. To my knowledge, the Just Walk Out thing was never purported to be part of MTurk. MTurk was always a separate service that Amazon offered as a way to access a workforce for menial tasks, such as cross checking machine vision data.

    • @katrinabryce
      @katrinabryce 6 месяцев назад +1

      But I believe Just Walk Out uses MTurn in the backend?

    • @雀-t6c
      @雀-t6c 6 месяцев назад

      Yeah, I heard they only really used it to label training data

  • @fsbayer
    @fsbayer 6 месяцев назад +15

    You do have to factor in the different cost of living in India. Somewhere like Gujarat you can live okay on about $300/month for a single adult. If you were getting $10/hr and working just 30 hours a week, you'd be making more than four times that, enough to sustain a stay at home wife and 2 or 3 kids, or as a single person you'd be living in luxury - large modern apartment with AC, restaurant meals for every meal etc.

    • @Dragon-xd9em
      @Dragon-xd9em 6 месяцев назад +3

      For real, even here in Hyderabad you could probably live comfortably while probably doing a down payment on a royal Enfield

  • @derstreber2
    @derstreber2 6 месяцев назад +149

    I think "Mechanical Turk" is a reference to "the first chess playing robot" called "The Mechanical Turk". It was created in 1769. The creator was very secretive about how the machine actually worked. We now know it was just a person in the box making all of the chess moves and operating the puppet. Edit: Note to self, don't answer questions before finishing the video.

    • @chrisbodley8958
      @chrisbodley8958 6 месяцев назад +9

      Lol you did fine, even the edit and it just stops other nerds from um actually bagging. Upvote so it goes to the top.

    • @wotterthose4511
      @wotterthose4511 6 месяцев назад +3

      I've been there before buddy lol, I feel ya

    • @thewiirocks
      @thewiirocks 6 месяцев назад +6

      I'm honestly quite shocked that Linus didn't get the reference. It's a famous example of an early automaton that showed how hard the problem was. A number of books on computers I read as a child covered the topic.

  • @Alias_Anybody
    @Alias_Anybody 6 месяцев назад +155

    I love all the jokes that came out of this. AI=Actually Indians.

  • @centran
    @centran 6 месяцев назад +18

    7:46 the army of people facing the products and going in the back to restock the shelves was probably the best thing about those stores. It was the neatest/clean store ever and if a shelf was empty you can be 99% sure it was out of stock since they restocked almost immediately.
    So there was more benefits to just the grab and go aspect of the stores.

  • @TooSmalley
    @TooSmalley 6 месяцев назад +19

    There is a lefty mostly tech-focused podcast called 'TRASHFUTURE' and their running joke about a lot of these types of disrupter tech inevitably is "Just a guy"

  • @imakethesites3048
    @imakethesites3048 6 месяцев назад +8

    I did a little work for Mechanical Turks a few years ago. The key is to stare at the screen all day and be there when a valuable task arrives that pays more than a few cents

  • @hopperelec
    @hopperelec 6 месяцев назад +59

    MTurk workers get a list of jobs to choose from, so it is competitive and nobody is going to realistically get away with only paying $0.01 for an assignment. The only time I would see that for an assignment is when you were mostly paid through bonuses, usually based on how similar your response was to that of other workers. When I used to do MTurk, I'd only really do jobs which paid like $2 for 5 minutes of work. Taking into account I'd spend about 5 minutes between jobs looking for good new jobs, that's about $12/hour. It's basically just something to do when you're bored but eh it's not the worst pay either

  • @unpotatoedsalmon
    @unpotatoedsalmon 6 месяцев назад +47

    People amazon is literaly a cyberpunk megacorp

  • @jess_o
    @jess_o 6 месяцев назад +38

    "Mechanical Turk" is a very apropos name

    • @leonardo.1024
      @leonardo.1024 6 месяцев назад +7

      A system people were led to believe was automatic actually being a human hiding "behind the curtain"? Oh yeah, it'd be harder to be more apropos.

  • @sunbleachedangel
    @sunbleachedangel 6 месяцев назад +112

    I think people forgot what the word "diverse" actually means

    • @BAGELMENSK
      @BAGELMENSK 6 месяцев назад +38

      We need to diversify our workforce into people that are willing to be payed less!
      VERY important for our bottom line.

    • @Mesopotamian
      @Mesopotamian 6 месяцев назад +18

      yup precisly my company, even though I support the message of diversity, it is not at all what companies support, it's always just PR propaganda
      I am an immigrant and was hired in this mega international corporation that pays me slightly over minimum wage, because they know that my visa was about to expire so I had to accept any salary.. and since I'm the only forginer in the office, they like to parade me often as a show pony for "how diverse they are" even though I'm the only one, payed the least in the entire office, and get turn down for any opportunity for development (which is good for them) within the company, even though I'm more than qualified than whoever else they choose

    • @jimford1226
      @jimford1226 6 месяцев назад

      this would fit the traditional definition for diverse from a technological, science, or legal lingo perspective. diverse - group made up of a wide variety.

    • @sunbleachedangel
      @sunbleachedangel 6 месяцев назад

      @@jimford1226 what "this"?

    • @jimford1226
      @jimford1226 6 месяцев назад +1

      "this" being the use of the word diverse in the description of mechanical turk service in the video. I replied to the thread related to definition of diverse.

  • @Patrick_Bard
    @Patrick_Bard 6 месяцев назад +16

    I can't believe Linus just discovered Amazon's Mechanical Turk (and the original) just now

  • @zakofrx
    @zakofrx 6 месяцев назад +7

    The Mechanical Turk is a famous part of history.. Especially for IT people...
    The Mechanical Turk was a robot(Fake One) Made a very long time ago that played chess.
    It was in the shape of a man..
    In reality under the mechanical man was a box were a person was squeezed in to control it like a puppet..

  • @helavatar
    @helavatar 6 месяцев назад +5

    Not only does Amazon do this but Microsoft and Google as well. The audio clips they collect are listened by ppl to make sense and make "AI" better understand different dialects etc.

  • @zeldayyy
    @zeldayyy 6 месяцев назад +8

    Amazon call center/backend work in India pays Rs. 18K to Rs. 50K/ month including incentives on average. That's $200 to $500 per month. so $1.25 an hour starting I believe!

    • @siliconhawk
      @siliconhawk 6 месяцев назад +1

      yeah. no way in hell they pay like 10$ an hr. maybe if they were like contract workers with unreliable work. they barely pay their full time software engineers 10$ an hour

    • @Dragon-xd9em
      @Dragon-xd9em 6 месяцев назад

      BRO ARE YOU FR? 18k is considered a good enough salary but dam 50k a month? That's insane for just call center job

    • @zeldayyy
      @zeldayyy 6 месяцев назад +1

      @@Dragon-xd9em that's the top end for Team leads with Incentives - also some KPO jobs vs BPO - there is a range depending on what the role is in most call centers. It's an educated guess based range from my experience of having worked with some backend centers for tech companies in the past in India

  • @azazelleblack
    @azazelleblack 6 месяцев назад +6

    This whole video is "somehow Linus and Luke have never heard of Mechanical Turk, one of the most important parts of Amazon for more than a decade now."

  • @Pelicanzzz
    @Pelicanzzz 6 месяцев назад +15

    Literally the only reason I don't think ChatGPT/Gemini is a mechanical turk is because the response is so fast.

  • @willrsan
    @willrsan 6 месяцев назад +6

    Also Cruise robotaxis - on average every 2-5 miles driven a human operator would have to intervene to get the car out of trouble

  • @itsmilan4069
    @itsmilan4069 6 месяцев назад +6

    TBH it's actually not underpaid here just average pay
    but yes compared to western wages it can be seen as underpaid

    • @itsmilan4069
      @itsmilan4069 6 месяцев назад

      like for example usa has $15 an hour as minimum wage legally but here in India (atleast in my state) it's ₹8,333 per month as minimum wage
      that's basically $101.3 per month

  • @jimit_shukla
    @jimit_shukla 6 месяцев назад +3

    Just imagine, in 5 years we get to know that CHAT-GPT was some people in India all along typing answers in inhumane conditions 😂

  • @DaveOTech
    @DaveOTech 6 месяцев назад +8

    Someone should create an AI bot that can perform Mechanical Turk jobs

  • @LeAlexo
    @LeAlexo 6 месяцев назад +16

    As a teenager, I did mechanical turk, paid around a 1.5$ an hour, It was huge for me, I managed to get a few games when I had zero spending money

    • @Waitwhat469
      @Waitwhat469 6 месяцев назад +2

      Did you have to do anything special to do it as a minor?

    • @IAmOneAnt
      @IAmOneAnt 6 месяцев назад

      decorum please state your name and delegation.​@@Waitwhat469

    • @TheAlchemist1089
      @TheAlchemist1089 6 месяцев назад

      ​@@Waitwhat469🤨

  • @jameslwjtoler
    @jameslwjtoler 6 месяцев назад +6

    One assignment per second would come out to around $36 an hour. 1 cent times 60 seconds equals 60 cents, times 60 minutes equals 3,600 cents, or $36. $10 an hour would be 1 assignment every 3-4 seconds.

    • @madmen2288
      @madmen2288 6 месяцев назад +1

      Having done some turking I got to say those one cent hits never got done. It would sit in the list forever.

    • @jameslwjtoler
      @jameslwjtoler 6 месяцев назад +1

      I've heard the same thing from a buddy of mine who used to do turking all the time. He showed me what he was making, and a lot of times he wasn't even clearing more than a hundred bucks on a good week. He decided to get a part-time job and ended up making more money more consistently.

  • @Marky_Mark__
    @Marky_Mark__ 6 месяцев назад +47

    Never do math on stream

    • @mexifry222
      @mexifry222 6 месяцев назад +11

      Goes to show they're just dorks, not nerds.

    • @HatsuneSquidward
      @HatsuneSquidward 6 месяцев назад +6

      ​​@@mexifry222 More like nerds not geeks

    • @mexifry222
      @mexifry222 6 месяцев назад +7

      @@HatsuneSquidward Nerds are the ones working as engineers at companies. Dorks just like what nerds create and are also awkward in real life.

  • @jaggoff6949
    @jaggoff6949 6 месяцев назад +6

    Best part is, we call this job role a "cashier"

  • @saint3106
    @saint3106 6 месяцев назад +5

    It was just 1,000 kids in a trenchcoat.

  • @crispycrusader1
    @crispycrusader1 6 месяцев назад +30

    Them struggling with math when they have little magic death boxes that have calculators is hilarious

    • @fgregerfeaxcwfeffece
      @fgregerfeaxcwfeffece 6 месяцев назад +4

      They did not want to bother the indian inside of that thing.

  • @deepbluereason
    @deepbluereason 6 месяцев назад +5

    All of the AI services rely on remote data annotators for generating tuning data and they're usually low paid unless they're involved in a project that requires specialized knowledge/skills like programming, mathematics, translation, and so forth.

  • @Kaziklu
    @Kaziklu 6 месяцев назад +2

    Time occurs because their is 360 degrees in a Circle (every 4 minutes is 1 degree of rotation of the earth). There is 360 degrees in a circle because a equal lateral triangle has 3 60 degree angles. It has 60 degree angles because you have 5 fingers on each hand and can make a fist.
    Totally serious.

  • @coppegaard
    @coppegaard 6 месяцев назад +4

    Swatch tried to introduce the "Internet Time" where a day was divided into 1000 parts eliminating also time zones.

  • @TheDamokles
    @TheDamokles 6 месяцев назад +3

    The mechanical Turk was a fraudulent chess "automaton" in the shape of a stereotypical Ottoman gentleman created in 1770. In reality it was operated by a human hidden within the apparatus.

  • @zhurnivuurg
    @zhurnivuurg 6 месяцев назад +3

    I turked back in college. Made about 70 bucks in Amazon cash. Spent it on a Stargate SG-1 used dvd box set.

  • @sanjuacharya
    @sanjuacharya 6 месяцев назад +37

    ughhh super weird how companies try to sell forward thinking BS to impress shareholders and give public hope

    • @sunbleachedangel
      @sunbleachedangel 6 месяцев назад +1

      coz mone

    • @rbw3000
      @rbw3000 6 месяцев назад +3

      Is it weird though?? Corporations trying to squeeze the last dollar for instant gratification?? 😂😂

  • @Randyy1
    @Randyy1 4 месяца назад +1

    I live in eastern Europe, and if I was offered $10 an hour, I would work 14h every day if possible, no days off, until I collapsed 😂

  • @inflatablemicrowave8187
    @inflatablemicrowave8187 6 месяцев назад +2

    Watching them try to do math is pretty funny lol. 1000 per hour is 100 per 6 mins, 6 mins in seconds is 360 (6 * 60) and 360 seconds divided over 100 assignments is one every 3.6 seconds

  • @sirhc1528
    @sirhc1528 6 месяцев назад +13

    In Germany we have stores were you scan your items before placing them in the cart and just pay before leaving.
    There is like no wait time inside of the Store because you just walk out.
    No useless AI or new Tech, just a scale and scanner on a shopping card.
    Unless some idiot (in every age group) who does not unterstand the concept and does not know how to pay with a card.

    • @David-ty6my
      @David-ty6my 6 месяцев назад +2

      Exactly, it is super fast.

    • @katrinabryce
      @katrinabryce 6 месяцев назад +3

      I bought some stuff at Sainsburys on the way home from work today (in the UK). I scanned the items using a phone app, then scanned a QR code at checkout to transfer the basket to it, then paid with Apple Pay. Waitrose has a similar system.

    • @Waitwhat469
      @Waitwhat469 6 месяцев назад

      @@katrinabryce I don't like the phone systems, I just don't want to have to pop out my phone a hundred times in a shopping trip.
      Just my preference.

    • @the_bogeyman.
      @the_bogeyman. 6 месяцев назад +3

      Self scanning and self checkout is the best and I wish it was in every store.
      No need to handle the groceries multiple times in and out carts/bags just to have conveyor belts smash your stuff when cashiers don’t even care to stop it 🫣.

    • @KerriEverlasting
      @KerriEverlasting 6 месяцев назад

      We have this in Australia too.

  • @user-hk3ej4hk7m
    @user-hk3ej4hk7m 6 месяцев назад +3

    Classic Amazon and their APIs (A Person in India)

  • @drewe51
    @drewe51 6 месяцев назад +1

    It's wild that they're both sitting in front of computers and won't just Google "1000/1hr"

  • @douglasboyle6544
    @douglasboyle6544 6 месяцев назад +2

    Watching these guys struggle with math when they literally have computers in front of them.

  • @GiorgosKoukoubagia
    @GiorgosKoukoubagia 6 месяцев назад +4

    New video idea for LTT: Get a few Linus Media Group workers to anonymously try to work for platforms like mturk and see how bad it is :P

  • @mandarp9472
    @mandarp9472 6 месяцев назад +1

    1 USD equals to 83 Indian rupees.
    Avg per capita Income in India is just US 2,600 dollars.
    Per capita Income in United States - US 76,000 dollars.
    This is huge dollar advantage and companies benefit from it.

  • @jason2mate
    @jason2mate 6 месяцев назад +13

    What's always concerning about this stuff, is that all these companies seem to be basically unsustainable if they were required to pay a for example american wage to everyone that they use, makes me wonder what happens in the long term when we actually do something about third world countries, and take them out of poverty, considering that would mean that all these companies that live off poverty workers, collapse immediately.

    • @Avantime
      @Avantime 6 месяцев назад +3

      @@wbay3848 China brought half the world's industrial robots, or around 290,000 units installed back in 2022. The 2nd country in the rankings, Japan, installed 50,000 units.

    • @nicholasvinen
      @nicholasvinen 6 месяцев назад +2

      The thing is, if you make minimum wage higher than what certain jobs are actually worth, what do you think is going to happen? Either the jobs go overseas, workers get replaced by a machine, prices rise dramatically or the company goes out of business. There aren't a lot of other options.

  • @armorclasshero2103
    @armorclasshero2103 6 месяцев назад +1

    The fact the model never got better than 30% would indicate the validation was full of errors.

  • @Midori_Hoshi
    @Midori_Hoshi 6 месяцев назад +1

    I used Amazon Mechanical Turk for a few years as a worker, and I can confirm the pay is total shit. It's not even close to USA minimum wage, let alone a living wage. I'd say it's around $1 or $2 USD per hour.

  • @TheNewton
    @TheNewton 6 месяцев назад +1

    Mechanical Turk has been important for machine learning to get cheap human labor to do the tedious machine like work of labeling things like what's in an image, or transcribing audio, etc etc. And it's that labeling that's used to train AI tools.

  • @redstonegenius2609
    @redstonegenius2609 6 месяцев назад +1

    Anyone else seeing this as S+ tier malicious complience on whoever named that

  • @longhornfinch
    @longhornfinch 6 месяцев назад +1

    I like how people ran with this news. Manual annotations for AI systems are very very common and required. I literally build one for a living here in SF Bay Area. Amazon also pays a lot in India. North America needs to learn about PPP and cost of living but hey its a juicy headline.

  • @mjjjuly
    @mjjjuly 6 месяцев назад +1

    i've knew of the historical Mechanical Turk before Amazon. as a history buff, i find it cool that they would name their program as such, as it is apropros. and they have always been upfront with what the program is.

  • @Qwertworks
    @Qwertworks 6 месяцев назад +2

    "Can time be metric please!"
    I felt that!

  • @mari_023
    @mari_023 6 месяцев назад +2

    sounds like xkcd 2173 "Trained a Neural Net" :D

  • @janardannn
    @janardannn 6 месяцев назад

    assuming 10$ an hour for menial job like this is wild (in india)

  • @zoidberg1201
    @zoidberg1201 6 месяцев назад +1

    Mechanical Turk was a box with a hidden chess player inside ostensibly operating as a automatic machine that played chess against an opponent.

  • @sparrowgryphonarchive1864
    @sparrowgryphonarchive1864 6 месяцев назад +1

    I did, the qualifications system is bs, you need to do a minimum of the 0.01 cent tasks before you're able to get the 0.10 tasks. I can understand why since their is literally zero restrictions for entry they need to vet the workers a little but the starting pay is far too low.

  • @justicefool3942
    @justicefool3942 6 месяцев назад +1

    Mechanical Turk is a reference to a "robot" of the same name from the 1700s or 1800s which could play chess against any opponent.
    It was billed to the public as being fully autonomous, when in reality, it was just a guy controlling a mechanical puppet, which seems very apt for this scenario.

  • @123-p1n4i
    @123-p1n4i 10 дней назад

    mechanical turk was one of the most famous clockwork automatons in the 18 century. Very famously it was supposed to be really good at playing chess but in reality it had a box where a chess master could hide and control the movements. Which makes it a really really good metaphor for the "ai is a bunch of foreigners" situation

  • @fire2box
    @fire2box 6 месяцев назад +1

    Mechanical Turk is something Amazon can also do when workers are placed on accommodations in the warehouses. I was on it a few weeks after a car accident give me whiplash and it's boring as hell and vaugly disturbing. it's clearly going to be used in AI training I was just looking at other stores receipts including fastfood and digitizing them.

  • @theftking
    @theftking 6 месяцев назад +1

    10:50 I'm pretty sure they're both high

  • @VamosViverFora
    @VamosViverFora 6 месяцев назад +1

    AGI - Artificial General Intelligence… Nope: Another Guy in India… 😂

  • @kalylbmmi
    @kalylbmmi 6 месяцев назад +1

    Amazingly, that 10 dolar figure is twice what I make as a videomaker in Brazil

  • @MidwestHooper
    @MidwestHooper 6 месяцев назад

    It was crazy to hear about this. I’m from Kansas City, MO. We built a new airport here and they opened two of the Amazon Go stores there (I was one of the two installers for both). That was maybe 16 months ago. It was a royal pain with the cameras and weight sensors, etc.

  • @shivorath
    @shivorath 6 месяцев назад +1

    A lot of people do Mechanical Turk just to earn some extra money from otherwise dead time. I’ve done some Mechanical Turk stuff years ago, when I had a job where I had to watch email and be ready to answer the phone all day but sometimes went an hour or two with nothing else to do. It was great to earn an extra few bucks of fun money, despite living in America and having an ok paying job (for some fresh out of college, at the time).

  • @rio425ee
    @rio425ee 6 месяцев назад

    Hearing someone who is about to learn about the mechanical turk for the first time, in this particular context was a moment of pure anticipation for me.

  • @oppsicle
    @oppsicle 6 месяцев назад +1

    Canadian and Indian minimum wage and cost of living is extremely different. Aiming for 10 dollars an hour is extremely high. India doesn’t have an hourly minimum wage, but assuming a 160 hour working month the average Indian hourly salary out to around 2.50$ an hour

    • @MarcosRobertoDosSantosJF
      @MarcosRobertoDosSantosJF 6 месяцев назад

      Yeah, I’m from Brazil (also a third world country). I bet that the 10 dollars per hour is a good payment in India.

  • @thaedleinad
    @thaedleinad 6 месяцев назад +1

    Well, I am right now trying to find an "underpaying foreign job" because 1250 USD a month is like 4.4 minimum monthly wages where I live.
    So, if you live in California, it's like making $60/h

  • @tjadejoh
    @tjadejoh 6 месяцев назад +10

    The maths 😂😂😂

  • @Random-om8rq
    @Random-om8rq Месяц назад

    mechanical turk was a contrapation in europe that used to play chess and it would always win, it's supposed to be automated, but it turns out that there was a person under it that you play against, it's literally the amazon cashless store idea.

  • @maxafc4695
    @maxafc4695 6 месяцев назад

    $10 an hour would make you 5 times average Indian salary doing 40 hours a week.

  • @mr.grotto
    @mr.grotto 6 месяцев назад

    Assuming someone in India somehow earns the 10.00 an hour, then they're making over four times the average income per month.
    Also, you can write scripts for M Turk, which a ton of people overseas do. They're making decent money for their area, but definitely not for a first world country.

  • @beyondevolution
    @beyondevolution 6 месяцев назад

    So I work indirectly for Amazon in industrial automation for their automated/robotic sites in the U.S. as a controls engineer. I found out a couple years ago that Amazon alongside AI, actually pays tens of thousands of people in the Middle East and India to verify and validate all kinds of inventory processes through camera systems in Fulfillment centers all over the world from their respective countries…. It’s actually extremely interesting.
    I remember one day as I was going through my early days of apprenticeship at one of the biggest Amazon Robotics Sortable sites on the U.S. East coast; one day I was going through support tickets typically submitted locally from within the site and came across multiple tickets submitted from some teams in India asking us to clean certain camera systems onsite, after some digging it blew my mind once I realized not everything was completely automated with AI from the backend.

  • @ArenasWorld
    @ArenasWorld 6 месяцев назад +1

    The midroll I got for this video is Amazon. You can't make this stuff up... 😂

  • @cypher0uk
    @cypher0uk 6 месяцев назад +1

    Is Mechanical Turk not a reference to automaton chess player. (Look it up on wikipedia) A machine built in the 1700's that could supposedly play a game of chess. In the end it was revealed to be a hoax, was just a man in a box below the machine. So Amazon AI is a hoax, just 1000 workers in India instead.

  • @smitty0
    @smitty0 6 месяцев назад

    I went to vegas and saw the amazon store inside the airport just as news was breaking about this.
    One week later going through the same airport it was rebranded to a different store that did the same thing.
    I was shocked

  • @kablooey2369
    @kablooey2369 5 месяцев назад +1

    Literally what happens everywhere in tech.

  • @mattgayda2840
    @mattgayda2840 6 месяцев назад +1

    Honestly who didn't see this coming? They also closed due to overwhelming theft and everyone saw that coming from the start

  • @BichaelStevens
    @BichaelStevens 6 месяцев назад

    This stuff reminds me of that satire video done by Bizonacci, about a future where you're a lonely deliveryman doing contracts for credits for Amazon, you pick contracts yourself, and if you fail, the Amazon Big Brother AI punishes you severely and you easily end up homeless. A cyber dystopia

  • @josephhiggins8791
    @josephhiggins8791 6 месяцев назад +1

    In North America this game plan that the Mechanical Turk had would not have worked, unless you raised he prices of the product to pay for the office workers, which ultimately would shorten the life of the business. Shipping the same jobs overseas to India that has a USD conversion, of 83.37 rupee's for every $1 converted. If its true that they were getting paid $2 per hour which for us North American people is vary low wages for the people in India they were making 166.75 rupees per hour; at $2 per hour, assuming 8hr days, they're making as much as an india doctor. If the minimum transaction amount was 1 cent, then they are doing about 200 transactions an hour or 3 transactions every minute. If they where getting paid $10 per hour they be making almost double of an experience doctor, 1.7 million rupees annually.

  • @GenuflectingRotation
    @GenuflectingRotation 6 месяцев назад

    Tim and Eric made a sketch about this OVER A DECADE AGO.

  • @tricomputing
    @tricomputing 6 месяцев назад +2

    How can anyone in tech or engineering not know the lesson of the Mechanical Turk?

  • @npcimknot958
    @npcimknot958 6 месяцев назад

    The amazon store was just a bunch of indian people underground watching on cameras and following the barcords lol

  • @NeoAnguiano
    @NeoAnguiano 6 месяцев назад +1

    isnt Elizabeth Holmes in jail for this? for faking the promise of tecnology to please investors?

    • @zakofrx
      @zakofrx 6 месяцев назад

      She was a bit worse due to it being about health..
      And from memory she faked results knowingly putting lives at risk..
      Amazon faked and lied about it but didn't risk lives as the results were the correct..
      They might have messed with stock prices etc..

  • @boombeepboomboop
    @boombeepboomboop 6 месяцев назад +1

    9:39 I live in a country inside the European Union and make half of $10 an hour, and thats is considered average and slightly above average pay per hour

  • @ccfreakMetal
    @ccfreakMetal 4 месяца назад

    That branding, that's hilarious 😂
    In Sweden we have ICA To Go (there's other stores doing similar things) open 24/7 and you open the door with your electronic id, scan the products barcodes with your phone, so you can basically pack everything in a bag or backpack while you shop, and then pay (using our service Swish or card number when checking out in the app) to open the door. It checks the rout you took and you can walk out. Cameras everywhere and they have your id so you can't steal without consequences really. I find that system working really well🙂 Sure, that need reviews, but with stock tracking you can easily cross reference it, so it would not take to long to se who did not scan something.

  • @TheMezzy712
    @TheMezzy712 5 месяцев назад +1

    Seven 11 did it first by having Indians at the register. Amazon said hold my beer.

  • @_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-
    @_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_- 6 месяцев назад +2

    I did mechanical turk for a little while during college.
    at that time (late aughts) I averaged about $3/hour.

  • @skepticallypwnd
    @skepticallypwnd 6 месяцев назад

    Linus not knowing the term 'Mechanical Turk' was pretty shocking. No shame. Not a lot of folks have a large background in the history of scams. It was just surprising since it so closely relates to so many tech scams that have happened over the years.

  • @simeontodorov9353
    @simeontodorov9353 6 месяцев назад +1

    Mechanical Turk is basically Twitch chat, but payed