Your videos are absolutely wonderful. I watch every one. I love my M10 monochrom with 50mm apo but it’s good to see Leica pushing. I need another few years with this combination as it still humbles me. Best wishes from Australia.
Hi. M10M + 50mm APO... That must be an amazing combo... We have also publish a quick comparison between the new M11 Monochrom and its predecessor, the M10M. It's here: ruclips.net/video/EkX3pu_LFJ4/видео.html Hope you find it of interest...
Glad to hear you say “don’t retire your M10Mono if you are satisfied”. It is unfortunate that Leica previously made mechanical cameras that lasted 20+ years but is now satisfied declaring their digital cameras “less than the best” after just 3 years.
Thanks Salvatore, really ... the M10 Mono but also former Leica Mono cameras going back many years are still very good cameras ... The photographer makes the image, not the camera :)
Please consider doing an M11 and M11M image comparison both in black & white. I'm interested to see how you feel the M11 holds up to the M11M after its files are converted to B&W. Thank You.
There is very little difference from what I see, I have the Q2 mono and did a comparison to my A7C with a good contrasty zeiss loxia lens shooting in B&W, and the difference is negligible
The pictures are very close. On m9 and m9m there were differences about 10 years ago, now there are almost none. And it is necessary to compare with the film too. Here's where it gets interesting that so far, film is better at capturing the light transition than a $10,000 camera.
the irony here is that the M11 shoots better black and white images than the M11M, because the color sensor does a better job capturing contrast and highlight details.
Thanks for the detailed comparison. Just a hint from an old guy coming from the film era, if you screw a yellow filter to the lens, you get more sky contrast (blue tones subtle darkened) straight out of camera and also the skin of your model subtle smoothed. The effect is stronger with an orange filter and maxed with a red filter. Attention, models having blue eyes like Stefanie (or Stephanie) will get a „demonic“ (as I call it) look, because the iris turns towards black. I don’t have a M11M yet, but according to the underexposed 3 sec image, you probably can bring back the blue eyes brightness in post by placing two elliptical filters on the eyes pushing shadows and/or exposure slider to the right as well as clarity to bring back details. For landscape and cityscape, the red filter it is, most buildings have yellow/orange/red tones, they become really bright vs. an almost black blue sky, you can do night shot alike images during bright daylight. Doesn’t of course work on overcast days 😅. Greetings to Zürich and also the Leica Store guys from Principality of Liechtenstein 🇱🇮.
I own the Q2m and I love it! The images are so crisp and filled with detail even at night. This m11m is tempting!! Obviously the glass in front is important as well.
Fully agree, Ernesto. Sharp lenses make a real difference if a sensor can resolve so many details. If I see this correctly in Leica's commercials on the new M11 Mono, the new just released Summilux 50mm with improved near distance is likely a good candidate for the M11 Mono besides the lenses I already showed in the video.
@@mathphotographer can you buy a lens that's not sharp ? Remember if you make a print, all lenses will be sharp enough. All digital cameras offer great image quality and sharpness, even ones costing £300. Don't believe the hype! A 60 megapixels sensors will demand great techniques to get the benefits of it, you will need a top quality computer and plenty of storage.
@@r423sdex Well ... depends on what "sharp" means for you. Sharpness, acutance and resolution - I guess for most people (not you and me) it is not really clear what "sharp" actually means. I made a video about the topic some time back. Your comment is in any case spot-on: A 60MP sensor is demanding, the photographer needs to work diligently, in particular since the M11 and M11 Mono do not have any image stabilisation incorporated. And post-processing needs quite some resources in terms of hardware. If you look around on my channel you will find that I also work with 150MP images (Phase One) or 100MP images (Hasselblad and Fuji). Luckily, the MacBook Pro these days, if well configured, can handle these high resolutions very well in post-processing in Capture One, Lightroom CC or Photoshop.
Great review. I am most excited to see your review of the new 50mm Summilux vs the current model, particularly the bokeh shapes when stopped down. Hopefully you don’t mind me making a request, but I feel this could be the ultimate 50.
Thanks Marcus, Leica Zurich will get the new Summilux 50 to me as soon as it is available and then I will post a review. The new version has improvements on near distance and number of aperture blades, see here www.dpreview.com/news/7069545277/leica-releases-summilux-m-50mm-f1-4-asph And I expect this to be a dream lens with very soft bokeh and great sharpness at widest open aperture.
Photo editors are going to love photographers who use cameras like this. They can crop away 75% of the pixels and still get a 15Mpx file. Insane. Nice photos of Stephanie. I think you can definitely place the subject in the middle of the frame - this has been recognised for a long time. Stanley Kubrick loved doing this! Photo editors (yes, those pesky photo editors again) might prefer it, as they can recompose the shot as required. One little trick I discovered for portraiture - reduce microcontrast in the RAW converter. Or use an old lens. I have a quick question: because monochrom files do not require debayering, do they load faster while viewing them in a RAW converter? I imagine that a 60Mpx RAW image will be as CPU intensive as a 30Mpx Bayer image.
Many thanks Karim, appreciate your positive feedback. My Mac computer is so fast, I do not feel that Monochrom images load faster, but on slower machines they might do.
Thanks for the brief comparison of the M11M to the M10M. To my eyes, the image of the lefthand bridge (M10M) has a lot more "life" and visual interest than the righthand one (M11M). Is this possibly due to the greater exposure on the left one? Even the railing on the bridge in your last magnification looks much more interesting on the left? Perhaps you coule explore the comparison some more? Thanks!
Thanks Stephen, I will look into that next weeks. I have now the final firmware for the M11 Mono, at the time of this video everything was pre-production.
Wonderful video and very informative. I recently bought the m11 2 weeks back. But I only do black and white (fyi I'm not a pro). I still have the option of returning but then I do away with the option of color (even its 0.1% of the time). Would you recommend returning the m11 and going for the m11 M instead? Or are the differences not noticeable between the m11 and m11 M in post processing?
Hello.. definitely yes.. buy the Leica M11 Mono.. because from now on... when you take photos with your camera, you will be dissatisfied with your photos, knowing that there is a new camera that will take better photos,,, and That anxiety will not let you live in peace
M11M native black & white is a bit superior to M11 and then converting into black & white. But if you once in a while also want to shoot in color, then the M11 is just great! I would not return the M11 but keep it. And conversion software into black & white is really good today, in prints you will hardly see the difference. Enjoy your camera :)
Thanks Matthew and great idea I was playing with for a while but had not yet the time to execute :) On some B&W film the scan resolution can really pushed to far limits and then comparing between film, M10M and M11M is a pretty cool project!
Thanks for putting the time in these video. BUT, please do a video where you can convince me to switch from my M10r to M11mono. In my opinion its hard to see the real benefits. DR ,iso performance ,resolution, aliasing….please do more comparison shots of M11,M10r and M11mono. That would be awesome. Also some random shots like the one you brought up the shadows. And plase compare higher iso ranges
Hi, please try some day if its possible the high iso to check from where would be useful, then if there is some improvement with the rolling shutter. Very nice video thanks
You need to do a comparison on higher ISO on a scene that has some lack of light. That is where you will see the significant difference between M11 and M11M. At ISO 125 with 1/4000 of shutter tells me that you have plenty of light in the scene. I would like to see some 800, 1600, … 20k ISO on a scene that genuinely require those ISOs for hand holding a 35/50mm.
Very informative video thank you. Would be very interested to see a side-by-side of the m11 (black and white profile conversion) and the M11 monochrom, as I convert to b&w 90% of the time but sometimes enjoy the choice. How much quality do we actually lose if we prefer to hedge our bets with a colour sensor? Thanks!
Thanks! There is a difference but it is not super elevated, so if you only occasionally shoot monochrom you can live with the M11 and conversion later on, it will be ok.
There is very little difference from what I see, I have the Q2 mono and did a comparison to my A7C with a good contrasty zeiss loxia lens shooting in B&W, and the difference is negligible
OMG deeper pixels Hi Math, what are you doing to me ? Deeper pixels, a marketing buzz word invented by the marketing people of Sony a few years ago where the whole Photography community made fun about cause it is utterly BS, they even made T-shirt with that phrase to make fun out of it, and now you are using it. Your video is nice, as always, and plenty of shots to compare the different cameras that are some sort of competitors. However, when I would have got one euro for every time you said "sharp" I would have gotten an M11 Mono for free. SHARPNESS IS NOT THE MAIN THING OF A PHOTO ! What I also miss is micro contrast in your story, where a mono camera can perform better under the same circumstances MP and of coarse with a proper lens (cause that is always more important than the camera). However I will always choose real dynamic range (not the marketing bla bla) over mega pixels. In a conversation with Peter Coulson some years ago that subject was pointed and he also would rather have a 40MP H6 with better dynamic range than a 100MP H6 Also when shooting older lenses a lower MP is preferable (24-30 range) and will give you better results therefor the SL2-S with M adapter is so immense popular by people who understand this. This also the reason why e.g. Leica but also Canon and Nikon produce newer (same) versions of their older lenses just to get better performance with the nowadays high MP cameras. Now the Noctilux is not per definition the better lens, it is a lens with its own characteristic, something that is subjective, some people don't even like the output and I can quite understand that.. Compared to everything else out there around F 1.0 the Noctilux however is king. Looking at your your shots around 30:00 of that nice young lady I miss micro contrast, maybe it is the pore performance of You Tube but the shot are rather flat to me, maybe you can send me link to look at it without the YT compression. I am although glad that you shot the evening shot 3 steps under exposed and set the exposure right in LR, that is the way I shoot in the dark when I need faster shutter speed and I try to avoid stepping up the ISO (ISO invariant, or almost, sensors give you that option and is often better than stepping up the ISO) But if you like to do that please use Capture One cause it has the lightness slider with give you so much more control e.g. over the dark skies especially when you shoot in color and want avoid chromatic noise in the blacks that can NOT be taken away complete by switching on a dedicated tool, I moved to C1 about 7 years ago also for that reason and about 100 more ;-). Exposure vs Brightness / One Reason Why Capture One is Better than Lightroom by Studio Builder explains this better than I could do in words. And setting up an EVF, if there is one, for me the most important thing is the histogram cause that is the real representation of the image to be shot. Finally, you don't need MP's to print big images. For years I worked with a print studio that printed for major Museums over here so quality was mandatory and we printed very large formats, bigger than you will ever use, from 50 MP, 24 MP sensors and even smaller all with great results. Okay, thanks for sharing and please forget about the deeper pixels for ever ;-)
Oh my gosh, my dear friend RS, this is the longest comment I ever got on my channel, many thanks for taking the time! Content-wise your comment is highest quality and spot-on like always. And yes I know, you always remind me that dynamic range is so much more important than anything else - at least I have one section in the video on how well you can correct under-exposed images so that section will help me to get away with the video without feeling your critics too harshly ;) On Stephanie's face, the micro contrast is in the original RAW file but goes away with RUclips compression, sorry for that. I have the camera here in the studio and will do a deep dive on dynamic range, high ISO etc. with the new final firmware, my firmware was pre-production. On "deeper pixels" ... to be honest, I did not even know that this phrase was invented by Sony as you pointed out ;) I just use the phrase without a specific underlying definition but clearly can speak in more qualified ways about that in the future :) All the best like always and thanks for your comprehensive thoughts!
Great videos! I had a Leica M 246 Monochrom that I absolutely loved. Sadly sold it to fund a M10P. I know asked often- which of the M10 Mono or the M11 Mono is probably more organic if I can use that term? I have seen some say the m11 files are amazing and have a depth and range - but files have to be tweaked a little in post. For one that shoots in film and tries to do minimal in post- which of the cameras would need less post?
Awesome camera- had the typ246, now have the m10m and m10p. I Wasn’t fan of the m11 (black) and returned it. Love my m10m and m10p… not seeing a huge difference between m10m and m11m. Also, shoot sl2 when I need ultra high resolution, m10p when traveling.
Thanks for your comment, Bubba. As shown in the video, if you love the M10 design, the M10 Mono is an excellent camera, comes very close to the new M11 Mono and you do not need to upgrade to the M11 Mono if you are happy with your M10 Mono.
@@mathphotographer the m11 has wonderful specifications. But I don’t know too many people that own Leica cameras only for specifications. Most people I speak with own Leica cameras not only for their image quality, but for their design heritage, build quality, color science and native glass. When the build quality, color science and design changed, they comprised a bit of of their heritage and lost a bit of their magic.
@@mathphotographer definitiv, musste mich gestern beherrschen sie nicht mitzunehmen :-) Mein Hoflieferant sollte nächstens welche haben, mal sehen, ob ich jemanden für die M10Mono finde. müsste ich mich auf eine Kamera beschränken, war es bis jetzt die M10M. Ist auch im Studio meine Hauptkamera :-)
Dear Math, A quick question that may require days of explanation. sRGB vs RGB. I believe most laptop and desktop LCDs are sRGB. And, while Leica once gave us the choice, I believe Leica is now all sRGB. Are we really missing anything today when we print using sRGB? Are all digital cameras today sRGB? Have I missed anything? Thank you.
very nice video very NICE camera very well presented ... but.. I have to say that was always my dream camera that I could never have (£$£$£$) now using Sony with 55mm 1.8 and BW images are just as good (I hope)
Great comprehensive review I suppose with improved image output of the M11, it’s probably close to on par with the M10 monochrome so results are excellent with all options All the very best wishes and kindest regards
hello.. thanks for the video.. a question I am working with the leica m11 monochrome. What limit experience could you give me for the iso? I want to take photos of low light but that do not contain noise when increasing the photo to 200%.. up to what limit would you use it?
The middle located black screw in upper front of the new camera body, instead of the typical Leica logo, is making my "esthetic design day"! Every "plumber" knows it, that the screw slot of a screw should to be "vertical or horizontical"! I would suggest horizontical! 😉
Hallo, ich finde deine Videos immer sehr informativ und auf den Punkt. Hast du die M11 Monochrom für Langzeitbelichtung getestet und hast du Erfahrungen die du teilen kannst?
Already having the M8.2, Q2M, and M10M for my B&W photography, I think I will not consider this unless there is a Reporter or a Stealth edition available. My two favorite lenses for M10M are the 28 mm Summicron ASPH and the 50 mm Summilux ASPH. Thanks for the timely video.
Thanks Wilfried. As said in the video, the M10 Mono is excellent and not ready for retirement :) For a 50mm focal length, likely worthwhile to consider the new Summilux 50 which Leica just announced; see here: www.dpreview.com/news/7069545277/leica-releases-summilux-m-50mm-f1-4-asph
Thanks for the very detailed comparison. The wide open 75mm around 30:17 , do you focus by rangefinder + magnifying ocular screwed to the ovf or do you use the evf to get that consistent precise sharp results on the eyes?
Thanks Timothy. No need to have the fastest Sony cards. I just have the fastest because I use them also in other cameras where you have high frame number burst continuous shooting which you do not have or need on a rangefinder camera.
I haven't shot b&w images for over 20 years but before that the majority of my photography was b&w with a Hasselblad ELM camera shooting (mainly) Tri-X or Plus-X 220 rolls. I still shoot with Hasselblads viz. X2D 100c, X1D 50C and 907X-50C. I doubt very much that I shall return to b&w photography but I am intrigued with these monochrome digital cameras. But there is something I'd like to ask you, Matt, that doesn't appear to have been mentioned. Can you use colour filters to get the same effects that one used to get using film? For instance, using yellow, orange or even red to enhance clouds or maybe green to bring out details in brickwork. Have you tried colour filters yet?
Hello, I have X1D2 with the xpan mode, I must say I love the xpan crop very much, as I normally converted the photos to greyscale (not high contrast enough but with the vintage look close enough to original Xpan) in phocus by Hassi. I would like to know what is your experience of converting the monochrome photos , which is the best software, phocus? capture one? or LR? Thanks a lot
@@BrilliantOberver I developed the RAW files in Lightroom Classic which is Leica's recommendation. If you go then for B&W, Silver Efex is a good software.
@@BrilliantOberver Hello there. I'm an "old fashioned" Hasselblad photographer that is used to the square format which is one that I still prefer although I'm quite happy now with the 4x3 of the X cameras. So I have no experience with xpan formats. I never convert my colour photos to B&W. It may seem strange but in the old days when I shot b&w negative film I saw my photos in b&w even though the image in the viewfinder was in colour. So these new monochrome cameras would be an interesting experience for me actually seeing the images in b&w through the EVF. I process my RAW files in Phocus and then finish them off in an old Photoshop 7. This 20 year old version has all that I need to get my images the way I like. No fancy stuff, just the basics like cropping, levels, cloning and printing.
hello.. thank you for uploading these instructive videos.. i wanted to ask you.. does this leica have a button or can you assign one that magnifies the image. or magnify the object to be photographed. with the purpose of being able to calibrate the focus more accurately?
Very nice video.... I started shooting & developing my own film back in the 70's and to this day I still love B&W. Currently I shoot with my original Leica M Monochrom CCD, My M10 and also with a MM246....one of these days I might upgrade to the M11 but my MM1 is a keeper...:)
Thanks for your positive feedback, Peter. And you are right, a "keeper" should not leave the collection :) The M11 Mono is the new standard for B&W photography without doubt, but the photographer makes the images not the camera :) Happy Shooting!
wooooow beautifullllll. Really really nice one. But I have the Q2M and better wait for the Q3 as companion. Seems I am not a range finder guy. Got a M8, nice but not for me
Thanks Armin, the Q2M is a great camera with excellent image quality! And the Q3 will likely come this year ;) And clearly I will review it and post a video.
Thanks, Dave. I assume its not a completely new sensor, its highly likely the M11 sensor with color filter removed plus some proprietary fine-tuning which turns the sensor into a native B&W sensor.
@@mathphotographer Thank you for the reply, very interesting. Would appreciate an M10M v M11M Review, that maybe an interesting comparison? Keep Well & Stay Safe 👍🇬🇧
What happened to the highlights in the night shot with the bridge, 22:11? They are all greyed out. Does the camera give this error, or did you do something wrong in Lightroom?
Pre-production firmware and likely highlights taken down a bit too much ... new M11 Mono firmware is now available for download, I will look into this again. Thanks, Norbert.
Actually, I just looked at that section which you linked in your comment in the video again, I see a bit of grey in two street lights but otherwise looks fine to me.
@@mathphotographer At first I was very surprised that the camera in this price range still has this well-known clipping error. But you probably set the threshold too low in Lightroom. Sorry, but in a performance comparison we have to talk about something like that. Anyway thanks for the informative video.
@@norberttolle6646 Its a good discussion, no issue with that. Thanks Norbert. I have done similar tests with many Leica cameras and they all have highlight clipping from, say, three stops over-exposing on. I am not sure if there is any camera which does not clip highlights if you heavily expose to the right. But as said, dynamic range will be the topic of a dedicated M11 Mono video.
Thank you for your work. I don't agree about your ideas about composition (but maybe this was to highlight the sharpnes of the lenses in the center , probably they are not sharp enough wide open). Also, the rendering of the Monochrom (I had two of them) is not to my taste , especially for portraits, but this is a matter of taste and can easyly corrected in post.
Thanks Steve, appreciate your feedback. Composition is a matter of taste ;) I am always surprised when looking at commercial portraits from Leica, Nikon, Sony, Canon, Hasselblad, etc. how they don't care about the rule of thirds and therelike, they just place the subject in the middle of the frame. In these particular images I showed I like the composition but yes, its a matter of taste :)
@@mathphotographer mit der Leica M ist man halt besonders "verführt", da man schon durch den Messsucher auf die Mitte des Bildes fokussiert ist. Liebe Grüsse aus der Schweiz ;-)
Thank you very much for this review. As always it’s impeccable ! I have the Q2M that I adore, and since we sell Leica cameras, I tried for a few moments the M11 Monochrom we have on display, but I have to admit that I cannot get used to the rangefinder thing. My images are blurry, I don’t understand the technique. I succeeded in focusing through the LCD screen. I’ll try again tomorrow with a Visoflex that should be ok. A question for you : I find the raw files from my Q2M flat, are are the RAW files of the M11 in comparaison ?
Lol - I like Torsten's comment on "Leica Look" :) But seriously, if the rangefinder focusing does not work for you, go for the Visoflex EVF, this will work like a charm. Use focus peaking and magnification and you will see that your images will be tack sharp. On "flat appearance": the RAW files from all my mono cameras from Leica are a bit flat - that gives you reserves in post processing where you can enhance contrast, sharpness, light in shadows, dark areas, correcting highlights, etc.
@@mathphotographer Hello ! I finally got my first Leica M camera. Working in a photostore and also a Leica Boutique, I was always laughing at our Leica M customers thinking that they were a crazy to buy such expensive cameras that offered so little in terms of functionalities. And after being in love with my first Leica, the Q2M, I was always going in our our Leica display and tried and tried the M11M, but never succeeded to make it work. So I tried with the Visoflex 2 and... felt in love like I did with the Q2M. I sold my Q2M to finance the M11M, but cannot afford for now Leica glass, although I can take from the shop whatever I want to play with, I bought 4 Voigtländer lenses. I always liked this brand. I got the 35 and 50mm APO-Lanthar F2 which are amazing, a 75mm Ultron F1,9 and the brand new Nokton 28mm F1,5 Type II. Of course leica glass should be a bit superior obviously, but I cannot afford the fabulous 75mm, nor the 50mm nor the 35mm Summicron. Would you ever make a video about VoiglÄnder on your channel ? It would be fantastic. Me making fun of Leica M shooters, I'm one of them now ! Hahahaha. Please Math, make videos about the M11M and share your tips and tricks.
Great Video - as always :-) Merci viehmau! I felt the M11 vs. M11M part a bit short. I really would like to see a more in depth comparison there - preferably with somehow affordable lenses like the Summilux 35 and 50 or Voigtländers APO-Lanthar.
@@mathphotographer On the Leica how long does it take to fully charge the battery ? Is there a 600mm lense that can be used with the M11 ... It would cool to capture Aircraft given the pics that vintage kinda look to them .... Instead the bog standard Colour captures all the time .. especially Passenger Jets ,
Vielen Dank für das, wie immer, sehr informative und angenehme Video! Ich wäre sehr an ihrer Meinung zur neuen Pixii interessiert, die ja vor und nach dem Bayerfilter das Signal vom Sensor verarbeitet und somit tatsächlich raw color und raw B&W (DNG) ausgibt. LG WK
Hi WK, herzlichen Dank für das sehr nette Feedback! Die Pixii habe ich leider nie in den Händen gehabt, bin also nicht qualifiziert, hier eine Beurteilung abzugeben. Das technische Konzept ( pixii.fr/pixii-camera ) dahinter liest sich gut, aber um mehr dazu sagen zu können müsste ich die Kamera mal live ausprobieren :) LG
@@mathphotographer Hi, lieben Dank. Das verstehe ich nur zu gut und wäre auch meine Erwartungshaltung:-) lesen kann ich ja auch :-) aber wirklich interessant wäre ein Review durch sie. Die Pixii ist ja jüngst mit dem 64Bit Prozessor neu aufgelegt worden. BTW ist es auch die einzige mir bekannte, bei der man so etwas upgraden lassen kann! Ich habe sie bestellt, aber noch nicht erhalten. Jetzt ist Zürich auch nicht gleich ums Eck von Wien, sonst hätte ich sie gerne zur Verfügung gestellt. Ich werde mal mit dem Startup Gründer, David, Kontakt auf nehmen. Vielleicht gefällt ihm ja die Idee auch. LG
Hi, David von Pixii ist interessiert. Wie können wir mal direkt in Kontakt treten? LG WK „mail2wk“ das komische Zeichen und dann „web“ mit der Dora Emil Endung
Hi, lieben Dank. Leider ist für mich keine email Adresse auffindbar im RUclips account, auch nicht in den Infos/about. Vielleicht wird es mir auf dem Handy nicht angezeigt, who knows. Daher mein Versuch in einer der vorangegangenen Antworten meine Mail anzugeben, ohne dass diese von RUclips (das wird so nämlich) abgelehnt wird. Würde mich freuen, wenn wir per Mail Kontakt aufnehmen könnten um dann zu schauen wie wir das arrangiert bekommen. Ps: mein Interesse liegt nur im outcome aus dem Review. LG WK
There is a simple button for B&W conversion in LR Classic, converts the image automatically. Its on top of the settings, right-hand-side. Then you can export the DNG to where ever you want, really straight forward.
40 mpix M10 mono to 220 mpix of color sensor? Nonsense here. The resolution of color sensor is Nyquist number devided by square root of 2. It is about 30 percent lower in terms of LW/PH. The multiplying factor is about 2,25, therefore 40 mpix Leica M10 mono sensor delivers same details/ resolution as 90 mpix color sensor. Anyway pixel count is 40 million, not 90 :)
Well observed, the M11 sensor already is terrific and hard to top :) And remember, the M11M sensor is essentially the same M11 sensor, just without the colour filter.
I don't want to sound rude but you put so much emphasis on "sharpness" that you sound like one of those RUclipsrs who have no idea what Leica is all about. It's a "bad" word to over-use describing such gear. None of the masters shooting Leica ever cared about “sharpness”. It’s about the “soul” Laica captures that other brands don’t. sorry don't mean to sound rude. Thank you
Spot-on comment, your statement is by no means rude or offending. My focus on sharpness but also in one section on dynamic range is coming from the typical bunch of questions I get :) But clearly Leica is about the "Leica Look" including softness of bokeh, three dimensional pop in an image, telling a story, etc.
I will look into this in greater detail next weeks, have an M11 Mono here in the studio. And there is new and final firmware now, my firmware was pre-production.
Leica are beautifull but they just are like trophy you wear to show. A fujifilm or Sony full frame sensors are way better than the ones in Leica but the difference is the LEICA LENSES.
Thanks Geoff, that's a really interesting observation ;) I like the start-up animation a lot, to be honest. And by the way, you will also see some color pixels on the LCD when activating focus peaking and choosing a color for the peaking ;) Photos will be always in B&W but the LCD will in certain settings show some colors for information.
Your videos are absolutely wonderful. I watch every one. I love my M10 monochrom with 50mm apo but it’s good to see Leica pushing. I need another few years with this combination as it still humbles me. Best wishes from Australia.
Ps I love the analytical but how about a poetic comparison between M10M & M11M? I understand the subjectivity, but just do it my friend. Thank you
Thank you so much for your kind words.
Hi. M10M + 50mm APO... That must be an amazing combo...
We have also publish a quick comparison between the new M11 Monochrom and its predecessor, the M10M. It's here: ruclips.net/video/EkX3pu_LFJ4/видео.html
Hope you find it of interest...
Glad to hear you say “don’t retire your M10Mono if you are satisfied”. It is unfortunate that Leica previously made mechanical cameras that lasted 20+ years but is now satisfied declaring their digital cameras “less than the best” after just 3 years.
Measuring in months. No good after service, battery at costs that buy a good digtal kit! Glad I can't buy this!
Thanks Salvatore, really ... the M10 Mono but also former Leica Mono cameras going back many years are still very good cameras ... The photographer makes the image, not the camera :)
Please consider doing an M11 and M11M image comparison both in black & white. I'm interested to see how you feel the M11 holds up to the M11M after its files are converted to B&W. Thank You.
There is very little difference from what I see, I have the Q2 mono and did a comparison to my A7C with a good contrasty zeiss loxia lens shooting in B&W, and the difference is negligible
The pictures are very close. On m9 and m9m there were differences about 10 years ago, now there are almost none. And it is necessary to compare with the film too. Here's where it gets interesting that so far, film is better at capturing the light transition than a $10,000 camera.
the irony here is that the M11 shoots better black and white images than the M11M, because the color sensor does a better job capturing contrast and highlight details.
The difference is large at 6400 and above, and increases as you go higher. Below that the difference is there, but it is minimal.
Thanks for the detailed comparison. Just a hint from an old guy coming from the film era, if you screw a yellow filter to the lens, you get more sky contrast (blue tones subtle darkened) straight out of camera and also the skin of your model subtle smoothed. The effect is stronger with an orange filter and maxed with a red filter. Attention, models having blue eyes like Stefanie (or Stephanie) will get a „demonic“ (as I call it) look, because the iris turns towards black. I don’t have a M11M yet, but according to the underexposed 3 sec image, you probably can bring back the blue eyes brightness in post by placing two elliptical filters on the eyes pushing shadows and/or exposure slider to the right as well as clarity to bring back details. For landscape and cityscape, the red filter it is, most buildings have yellow/orange/red tones, they become really bright vs. an almost black blue sky, you can do night shot alike images during bright daylight. Doesn’t of course work on overcast days 😅. Greetings to Zürich and also the Leica Store guys from Principality of Liechtenstein 🇱🇮.
I own the Q2m and I love it! The images are so crisp and filled with detail even at night. This m11m is tempting!! Obviously the glass in front is important as well.
Fully agree, Ernesto. Sharp lenses make a real difference if a sensor can resolve so many details. If I see this correctly in Leica's commercials on the new M11 Mono, the new just released Summilux 50mm with improved near distance is likely a good candidate for the M11 Mono besides the lenses I already showed in the video.
@@mathphotographer can you buy a lens that's not sharp ? Remember if you make a print, all lenses will be sharp enough. All digital cameras offer great image quality and sharpness, even ones costing £300. Don't believe the hype! A 60 megapixels sensors will demand great techniques to get the benefits of it, you will need a top quality computer and plenty of storage.
@@r423sdex Well ... depends on what "sharp" means for you. Sharpness, acutance and resolution - I guess for most people (not you and me) it is not really clear what "sharp" actually means. I made a video about the topic some time back. Your comment is in any case spot-on: A 60MP sensor is demanding, the photographer needs to work diligently, in particular since the M11 and M11 Mono do not have any image stabilisation incorporated. And post-processing needs quite some resources in terms of hardware. If you look around on my channel you will find that I also work with 150MP images (Phase One) or 100MP images (Hasselblad and Fuji). Luckily, the MacBook Pro these days, if well configured, can handle these high resolutions very well in post-processing in Capture One, Lightroom CC or Photoshop.
I have the Rolex Air King from around 1960!! Yachtmaster II is a classic. Also Swiss Army knife was duly noted!!
@@nelsonclub7722 Great :)
Great review. I am most excited to see your review of the new 50mm Summilux vs the current model, particularly the bokeh shapes when stopped down. Hopefully you don’t mind me making a request, but I feel this could be the ultimate 50.
Thanks Marcus, Leica Zurich will get the new Summilux 50 to me as soon as it is available and then I will post a review. The new version has improvements on near distance and number of aperture blades, see here www.dpreview.com/news/7069545277/leica-releases-summilux-m-50mm-f1-4-asph And I expect this to be a dream lens with very soft bokeh and great sharpness at widest open aperture.
Excellent review! Complete info and comparison! best wishes from Argentina.
I really enjoy your videos. You are something special. Thank you for what you do.
Many thanks, your kind comment makes my day :)
Beauty... the camera.. the presentation...
Thanks!
Photo editors are going to love photographers who use cameras like this. They can crop away 75% of the pixels and still get a 15Mpx file. Insane.
Nice photos of Stephanie. I think you can definitely place the subject in the middle of the frame - this has been recognised for a long time. Stanley Kubrick loved doing this! Photo editors (yes, those pesky photo editors again) might prefer it, as they can recompose the shot as required.
One little trick I discovered for portraiture - reduce microcontrast in the RAW converter. Or use an old lens.
I have a quick question: because monochrom files do not require debayering, do they load faster while viewing them in a RAW converter? I imagine that a 60Mpx RAW image will be as CPU intensive as a 30Mpx Bayer image.
Many thanks Karim, appreciate your positive feedback. My Mac computer is so fast, I do not feel that Monochrom images load faster, but on slower machines they might do.
Thanks for the brief comparison of the M11M to the M10M. To my eyes, the image of the lefthand bridge (M10M) has a lot more "life" and visual interest than the righthand one (M11M). Is this possibly due to the greater exposure on the left one? Even the railing on the bridge in your last magnification looks much more interesting on the left? Perhaps you coule explore the comparison some more? Thanks!
Thanks Stephen, I will look into that next weeks. I have now the final firmware for the M11 Mono, at the time of this video everything was pre-production.
Wonderful video and very informative. I recently bought the m11 2 weeks back. But I only do black and white (fyi I'm not a pro). I still have the option of returning but then I do away with the option of color (even its 0.1% of the time). Would you recommend returning the m11 and going for the m11 M instead? Or are the differences not noticeable between the m11 and m11 M in post processing?
Hello.. definitely yes.. buy the Leica M11 Mono.. because from now on... when you take photos with your camera, you will be dissatisfied with your photos, knowing that there is a new camera that will take better photos,,, and That anxiety will not let you live in peace
M11M native black & white is a bit superior to M11 and then converting into black & white. But if you once in a while also want to shoot in color, then the M11 is just great! I would not return the M11 but keep it. And conversion software into black & white is really good today, in prints you will hardly see the difference. Enjoy your camera :)
If ever I think my M10M needs more resolution, I compare it to 35mm film. That would be a cool video. Highest resolution b+w film vs M11M. M3 v M11M.
Thanks Matthew and great idea I was playing with for a while but had not yet the time to execute :) On some B&W film the scan resolution can really pushed to far limits and then comparing between film, M10M and M11M is a pretty cool project!
That was everything a review should be and not an iota more. Perfect. Thx!
Thanks for putting the time in these video. BUT, please do a video where you can convince me to switch from my M10r to M11mono. In my opinion its hard to see the real benefits. DR ,iso performance ,resolution, aliasing….please do more comparison shots of M11,M10r and M11mono. That would be awesome. Also some random shots like the one you brought up the shadows. And plase compare higher iso ranges
Hi, please try some day if its possible the high iso to check from where would be useful, then if there is some improvement with the rolling shutter. Very nice video thanks
Thanks and of course I will look into high ISO next weeks, will look deeper into dynamic range and can also quickly look into rolling shutter effects.
You need to do a comparison on higher ISO on a scene that has some lack of light. That is where you will see the significant difference between M11 and M11M. At ISO 125 with 1/4000 of shutter tells me that you have plenty of light in the scene. I would like to see some 800, 1600, … 20k ISO on a scene that genuinely require those ISOs for hand holding a 35/50mm.
Very informative video thank you. Would be very interested to see a side-by-side of the m11 (black and white profile conversion) and the M11 monochrom, as I convert to b&w 90% of the time but sometimes enjoy the choice. How much quality do we actually lose if we prefer to hedge our bets with a colour sensor? Thanks!
Thanks! There is a difference but it is not super elevated, so if you only occasionally shoot monochrom you can live with the M11 and conversion later on, it will be ok.
There is very little difference from what I see, I have the Q2 mono and did a comparison to my A7C with a good contrasty zeiss loxia lens shooting in B&W, and the difference is negligible
OMG deeper pixels
Hi Math, what are you doing to me ?
Deeper pixels, a marketing buzz word invented by the marketing people of Sony a few years ago where the whole Photography community made fun about cause it is utterly BS, they even made T-shirt with that phrase to make fun out of it, and now you are using it.
Your video is nice, as always, and plenty of shots to compare the different cameras that are some sort of competitors.
However, when I would have got one euro for every time you said "sharp" I would have gotten an M11 Mono for free.
SHARPNESS IS NOT THE MAIN THING OF A PHOTO !
What I also miss is micro contrast in your story, where a mono camera can perform better under the same circumstances MP and of coarse with a proper lens (cause that is always more important than the camera).
However I will always choose real dynamic range (not the marketing bla bla) over mega pixels.
In a conversation with Peter Coulson some years ago that subject was pointed and he also would rather have a 40MP H6 with better dynamic range than a 100MP H6
Also when shooting older lenses a lower MP is preferable (24-30 range) and will give you better results therefor the SL2-S with M adapter is so immense popular by people who understand this.
This also the reason why e.g. Leica but also Canon and Nikon produce newer (same) versions of their older lenses just to get better performance with the nowadays high MP cameras.
Now the Noctilux is not per definition the better lens, it is a lens with its own characteristic, something that is subjective, some people don't even like the output and I can quite understand that..
Compared to everything else out there around F 1.0 the Noctilux however is king.
Looking at your your shots around 30:00 of that nice young lady I miss micro contrast, maybe it is the pore performance of You Tube but the shot are rather flat to me, maybe you can send me link to look at it without the YT compression.
I am although glad that you shot the evening shot 3 steps under exposed and set the exposure right in LR, that is the way I shoot in the dark when I need faster shutter speed and I try to avoid stepping up the ISO (ISO invariant, or almost, sensors give you that option and is often better than stepping up the ISO)
But if you like to do that please use Capture One cause it has the lightness slider with give you so much more control e.g. over the dark skies especially when you shoot in color and want avoid chromatic noise in the blacks that can NOT be taken away complete by switching on a dedicated tool, I moved to C1 about 7 years ago also for that reason and about 100 more ;-).
Exposure vs Brightness / One Reason Why Capture One is Better than Lightroom by Studio Builder explains this better than I could do in words.
And setting up an EVF, if there is one, for me the most important thing is the histogram cause that is the real representation of the image to be shot.
Finally, you don't need MP's to print big images. For years I worked with a print studio that printed for major Museums over here so quality was mandatory and we printed very large formats, bigger than you will ever use, from 50 MP, 24 MP sensors and even smaller all with great results.
Okay, thanks for sharing and please forget about the deeper pixels for ever ;-)
@@wolper2155 thank you
Oh my gosh, my dear friend RS, this is the longest comment I ever got on my channel, many thanks for taking the time! Content-wise your comment is highest quality and spot-on like always. And yes I know, you always remind me that dynamic range is so much more important than anything else - at least I have one section in the video on how well you can correct under-exposed images so that section will help me to get away with the video without feeling your critics too harshly ;) On Stephanie's face, the micro contrast is in the original RAW file but goes away with RUclips compression, sorry for that. I have the camera here in the studio and will do a deep dive on dynamic range, high ISO etc. with the new final firmware, my firmware was pre-production. On "deeper pixels" ... to be honest, I did not even know that this phrase was invented by Sony as you pointed out ;) I just use the phrase without a specific underlying definition but clearly can speak in more qualified ways about that in the future :) All the best like always and thanks for your comprehensive thoughts!
Can you please put a sim card slot in the camera Mathphotographer?
Helpful review as always, thank you !!
Great videos! I had a Leica M 246 Monochrom that I absolutely loved. Sadly sold it to fund a M10P. I know asked often- which of the M10 Mono or the M11 Mono is probably more organic if I can use that term? I have seen some say the m11 files are amazing and have a depth and range - but files have to be tweaked a little in post. For one that shoots in film and tries to do minimal in post- which of the cameras would need less post?
Awesome camera- had the typ246, now have the m10m and m10p. I Wasn’t fan of the m11 (black) and returned it. Love my m10m and m10p… not seeing a huge difference between m10m and m11m. Also, shoot sl2 when I need ultra high resolution, m10p when traveling.
Thanks for your comment, Bubba. As shown in the video, if you love the M10 design, the M10 Mono is an excellent camera, comes very close to the new M11 Mono and you do not need to upgrade to the M11 Mono if you are happy with your M10 Mono.
@@mathphotographer the m11 has wonderful specifications. But I don’t know too many people that own Leica cameras only for specifications. Most people I speak with own Leica cameras not only for their image quality, but for their design heritage, build quality, color science and native glass. When the build quality, color science and design changed, they comprised a bit of of their heritage and lost a bit of their magic.
@@D.Trider That's true and is the reason why some Leica fans did never buy into the new M11 design ...
Which is a pity since the new design, once you are used to it, is really functional and well done!
Thank you for your comparison, I was able to play with it yesterday, pretty tempting (just need to find a new home for my M10 mono :first -)
Danke Christoph, wenn ich auf Deine Website schaue ... das ist DIE KAMERA für Dich!!! You will love it :)
@@mathphotographer definitiv, musste mich gestern beherrschen sie nicht mitzunehmen :-) Mein Hoflieferant sollte nächstens welche haben, mal sehen, ob ich jemanden für die M10Mono finde. müsste ich mich auf eine Kamera beschränken, war es bis jetzt die M10M. Ist auch im Studio meine Hauptkamera :-)
@@ChristophProtz Crossing fingers :)
Dear Math,
A quick question that may require days of explanation.
sRGB vs RGB. I believe most laptop and desktop LCDs are sRGB. And, while Leica once gave us the choice, I believe Leica is now all sRGB.
Are we really missing anything today when we print using sRGB? Are all digital cameras today sRGB?
Have I missed anything?
Thank you.
very nice video very NICE camera very well presented ... but.. I have to say that was always my dream camera that I could never have (£$£$£$) now using Sony with 55mm 1.8 and BW images are just as good (I hope)
Great comprehensive review
I suppose with improved image output of the M11, it’s probably close to on par with the M10 monochrome so results are excellent with all options
All the very best wishes and kindest regards
Thank you Ronald, spot-on comment regarding the M11 Mono and M10 Mono. All the best!
hello.. thanks for the video.. a question I am working with the leica m11 monochrome. What limit experience could you give me for the iso? I want to take photos of low light but that do not contain noise when increasing the photo to 200%.. up to what limit would you use it?
Sorry for my question... what approximate Iso value is the maximum according to your experience... to take photos... without grain
The middle located black screw in upper front of the new camera body, instead of the typical Leica logo, is making my "esthetic design day"! Every "plumber" knows it, that the screw slot of a screw should to be "vertical or horizontical"! I would suggest horizontical! 😉
Ha! :) Well spotted on the screw ;)
In your side by side comparison images the M10M seems to be quite a bit higher in contrast while the M11M has more shadow and highlight detail.
Thanks - I will look into this in more detail next weeks, lots of things to try out with the new M11 Mono.
Great test!... and great photos!
Many thanks, Duc!
Excuse me, the leather base case and the metal accessory for the leica m11 hagrre are also suitable for the monochrome leica m11?
Hello , can u review chronos monochrome camera ?
You have some nice watches on your wrist in your videos.
A crazy idea but how does an X2D compare in its output to the M11Mono, for instance using the 1.9/80? 😅
Hallo, ich finde deine Videos immer sehr informativ und auf den Punkt. Hast du die M11 Monochrom für Langzeitbelichtung getestet und hast du Erfahrungen die du teilen kannst?
I’d love one of these 🙂
Already having the M8.2, Q2M, and M10M for my B&W photography, I think I will not consider this unless there is a Reporter or a Stealth edition available. My two favorite lenses for M10M are the 28 mm Summicron ASPH and the 50 mm Summilux ASPH. Thanks for the timely video.
Thanks Wilfried. As said in the video, the M10 Mono is excellent and not ready for retirement :) For a 50mm focal length, likely worthwhile to consider the new Summilux 50 which Leica just announced; see here: www.dpreview.com/news/7069545277/leica-releases-summilux-m-50mm-f1-4-asph
How do you like M8.2 when you have M10M and Q2M?
Hmm. Ein Traum, der hoffentlich eines Tages in Erfüllung gehen wird. Danke für dieses schöne informative und inspirierende Video. Beste Grüße SLEH
Herzlichen Dank für das nette Feedback, much appreciated. Beste Grüsse aus Züri :)
Excuse me, the leather base case and the accessory Handgrip for hagrre of the leica m11 are also used for the leica m11 monochrome?
Yes, all accessories for the Leica M11 are compatible with the M11 Mono, its exactly the same camera body.
Thanks for the very detailed comparison. The wide open 75mm around 30:17 , do you focus by rangefinder + magnifying ocular screwed to the ovf or do you use the evf to get that consistent precise sharp results on the eyes?
The hair and the arm are also sharp. But there is no black in the image, just dark grey. You can see it in the histgram too.
For Leica-M tele lenses I often use the EVF when shooting wide open.
What is sharper the Noctilux 50 1.2 or the Steel Rim 35?
Thanks for the awesome video. How do you find the magenta cast in the M11? I simply can't unsee mine, unfortunately.
Not noticed yet, will check and pay attention to it when shooting next with the M11M.
Good video, as usual. Any reason to believe that Sony 300gb/s are any better in these cameras than the slower 277 Sony cards?
Thanks Timothy. No need to have the fastest Sony cards. I just have the fastest because I use them also in other cameras where you have high frame number burst continuous shooting which you do not have or need on a rangefinder camera.
Does the Leica M11 Mono suffer from the freezing issues that the M11 does?
the same
I haven't shot b&w images for over 20 years but before that the majority of my photography was b&w with a Hasselblad ELM camera shooting (mainly) Tri-X or Plus-X 220 rolls. I still shoot with Hasselblads viz. X2D 100c, X1D 50C and 907X-50C. I doubt very much that I shall return to b&w photography but I am intrigued with these monochrome digital cameras. But there is something I'd like to ask you, Matt, that doesn't appear to have been mentioned. Can you use colour filters to get the same effects that one used to get using film? For instance, using yellow, orange or even red to enhance clouds or maybe green to bring out details in brickwork. Have you tried colour filters yet?
Hello, I have X1D2 with the xpan mode, I must say I love the xpan crop very much, as I normally converted the photos to greyscale (not high contrast enough but with the vintage look close enough to original Xpan) in phocus by Hassi. I would like to know what is your experience of converting the monochrome photos , which is the best software, phocus? capture one? or LR? Thanks a lot
I have not tried that but looks like an interesting project to me, many thanks.
@@BrilliantOberver I developed the RAW files in Lightroom Classic which is Leica's recommendation. If you go then for B&W, Silver Efex is a good software.
@@BrilliantOberver Hello there. I'm an "old fashioned" Hasselblad photographer that is used to the square format which is one that I still prefer although I'm quite happy now with the 4x3 of the X cameras. So I have no experience with xpan formats. I never convert my colour photos to B&W. It may seem strange but in the old days when I shot b&w negative film I saw my photos in b&w even though the image in the viewfinder was in colour. So these new monochrome cameras would be an interesting experience for me actually seeing the images in b&w through the EVF. I process my RAW files in Phocus and then finish them off in an old Photoshop 7. This 20 year old version has all that I need to get my images the way I like. No fancy stuff, just the basics like cropping, levels, cloning and printing.
Hi Roger, thanks for sharing your experience. It's always joyful to meet a Hassy master like you.
I like that SONY sensor in the M11 mono.
:)
hello.. thank you for uploading these instructive videos.. i wanted to ask you.. does this leica have a button or can you assign one that magnifies the image. or magnify the object to be photographed. with the purpose of being able to calibrate the focus more accurately?
Yes - you assign zoom in live view to a button to do accurate manual focusing.
@@mathphotographer thanks!!
Very nice video....
I started shooting & developing my own film back in the 70's and to this day I still love B&W. Currently I shoot with my original Leica M Monochrom CCD, My M10 and also with a MM246....one of these days I might upgrade to the M11 but my MM1 is a keeper...:)
Thanks for your positive feedback, Peter. And you are right, a "keeper" should not leave the collection :) The M11 Mono is the new standard for B&W photography without doubt, but the photographer makes the images not the camera :) Happy Shooting!
wooooow beautifullllll. Really really nice one. But I have the Q2M and better wait for the Q3 as companion. Seems I am not a range finder guy. Got a M8, nice but not for me
Thanks Armin, the Q2M is a great camera with excellent image quality! And the Q3 will likely come this year ;) And clearly I will review it and post a video.
Great Video thanks but, is the M11M Sensor a “Dedicated” B & W Sensor or the Sensor from the M11 with the Filter array removed? 👍🇬🇧
Thanks, Dave. I assume its not a completely new sensor, its highly likely the M11 sensor with color filter removed plus some proprietary fine-tuning which turns the sensor into a native B&W sensor.
@@mathphotographer Thank you for the reply, very interesting. Would appreciate an M10M v M11M Review, that maybe an interesting comparison? Keep Well & Stay Safe 👍🇬🇧
Love that Yacht Master... So, do you also own a boat, next to almost every camera? 🤔🤔📸
No boat my friend, sorry to disappoint. I make in money what I need for a living but I am not rich, so no boat ;)
What happened to the highlights in the night shot with the bridge, 22:11? They are all greyed out. Does the camera give this error, or did you do something wrong in Lightroom?
Pre-production firmware and likely highlights taken down a bit too much ... new M11 Mono firmware is now available for download, I will look into this again. Thanks, Norbert.
Actually, I just looked at that section which you linked in your comment in the video again, I see a bit of grey in two street lights but otherwise looks fine to me.
@@mathphotographer At first I was very surprised that the camera in this price range still has this well-known clipping error. But you probably set the threshold too low in Lightroom. Sorry, but in a performance comparison we have to talk about something like that.
Anyway thanks for the informative video.
@@norberttolle6646 Its a good discussion, no issue with that. Thanks Norbert. I have done similar tests with many Leica cameras and they all have highlight clipping from, say, three stops over-exposing on. I am not sure if there is any camera which does not clip highlights if you heavily expose to the right. But as said, dynamic range will be the topic of a dedicated M11 Mono video.
Can you compare Canon R5 update with 400 megapixel pictures that are black and white with other cameras
I am working on a video about the new 400MP multishot feature of the Canon EOS R5 :)
Excellent camera 😍
Y E S !!!
Thank you for your work. I don't agree about your ideas about composition (but maybe this was to highlight the sharpnes of the lenses in the center , probably they are not sharp enough wide open). Also, the rendering of the Monochrom (I had two of them) is not to my taste , especially for portraits, but this is a matter of taste and can easyly corrected in post.
Thanks Steve, appreciate your feedback. Composition is a matter of taste ;) I am always surprised when looking at commercial portraits from Leica, Nikon, Sony, Canon, Hasselblad, etc. how they don't care about the rule of thirds and therelike, they just place the subject in the middle of the frame. In these particular images I showed I like the composition but yes, its a matter of taste :)
@@mathphotographer mit der Leica M ist man halt besonders "verführt", da man schon durch den Messsucher auf die Mitte des Bildes fokussiert ist. Liebe Grüsse aus der Schweiz ;-)
@@webersteve1547 Liebe Grüsse zurück - aus der Schweiz in die Schweiz :)
Thank you very much for this review. As always it’s impeccable ! I have the Q2M that I adore, and since we sell Leica cameras, I tried for a few moments the M11 Monochrom we have on display, but I have to admit that I cannot get used to the rangefinder thing. My images are blurry, I don’t understand the technique. I succeeded in focusing through the LCD screen. I’ll try again tomorrow with a Visoflex that should be ok. A question for you : I find the raw files from my Q2M flat, are are the RAW files of the M11 in comparaison ?
Your images are not blurry, that is the Leica look.
@@torstenw5168 🤣🤣🤣
Lol - I like Torsten's comment on "Leica Look" :) But seriously, if the rangefinder focusing does not work for you, go for the Visoflex EVF, this will work like a charm. Use focus peaking and magnification and you will see that your images will be tack sharp. On "flat appearance": the RAW files from all my mono cameras from Leica are a bit flat - that gives you reserves in post processing where you can enhance contrast, sharpness, light in shadows, dark areas, correcting highlights, etc.
@@mathphotographer thank you for the input 🙂
@@mathphotographer Hello ! I finally got my first Leica M camera. Working in a photostore and also a Leica Boutique, I was always laughing at our Leica M customers thinking that they were a crazy to buy such expensive cameras that offered so little in terms of functionalities. And after being in love with my first Leica, the Q2M, I was always going in our our Leica display and tried and tried the M11M, but never succeeded to make it work. So I tried with the Visoflex 2 and... felt in love like I did with the Q2M.
I sold my Q2M to finance the M11M, but cannot afford for now Leica glass, although I can take from the shop whatever I want to play with, I bought 4 Voigtländer lenses. I always liked this brand. I got the 35 and 50mm APO-Lanthar F2 which are amazing, a 75mm Ultron F1,9 and the brand new Nokton 28mm F1,5 Type II. Of course leica glass should be a bit superior obviously, but I cannot afford the fabulous 75mm, nor the 50mm nor the 35mm Summicron. Would you ever make a video about VoiglÄnder on your channel ? It would be fantastic. Me making fun of Leica M shooters, I'm one of them now ! Hahahaha. Please Math, make videos about the M11M and share your tips and tricks.
Grüezi :-) Thanks for sharing. Super informative as always.
Herzlichen Dank, Frederik!
Is this new camera also available in a traditional silver chrome finish, or just this matte black?
Currently only in matte black but maybe later also in chrome.
@@mathphotographer 👍
man that 28 f2 is the perfect match for the m11m
Indeed - a perfect match!
any lockups on M11 Mono when you were using it?
No issues at all. But there is a final firmware now, my firmware was pre-production. Will install the new firmware and do more testing, of course.
No mention of the Dead Pixels that seem to be coming up by other reviews
Nope - no dead pixels yet on mine.
Wonderful
Great Video - as always :-) Merci viehmau! I felt the M11 vs. M11M part a bit short. I really would like to see a more in depth comparison there - preferably with somehow affordable lenses like the Summilux 35 and 50 or Voigtländers APO-Lanthar.
Thanks! You are welcome :) I need to look into dynamic range as well as differences to the M11 in greater detail when I find the time, point taken :)
Very nice
would like to see A/B test at 20k and 30k ISO and 1/2000
very good
When i capture in BW , affinity 2 renders it to a colour image
Yes - there are actually a bunch of AI-based software tools which convert B&W images into reasonably coloured images.
@@mathphotographer On the Leica how long does it take to fully charge the battery ? Is there a 600mm lense that can be used with the M11 ... It would cool to capture Aircraft given the pics that vintage kinda look to them .... Instead the bog standard Colour captures all the time .. especially Passenger Jets ,
Vielen Dank für das, wie immer, sehr informative und angenehme Video! Ich wäre sehr an ihrer Meinung zur neuen Pixii interessiert, die ja vor und nach dem Bayerfilter das Signal vom Sensor verarbeitet und somit tatsächlich raw color und raw B&W (DNG) ausgibt. LG WK
Hi WK, herzlichen Dank für das sehr nette Feedback! Die Pixii habe ich leider nie in den Händen gehabt, bin also nicht qualifiziert, hier eine Beurteilung abzugeben. Das technische Konzept ( pixii.fr/pixii-camera ) dahinter liest sich gut, aber um mehr dazu sagen zu können müsste ich die Kamera mal live ausprobieren :) LG
@@mathphotographer Hi, lieben Dank. Das verstehe ich nur zu gut und wäre auch meine Erwartungshaltung:-) lesen kann ich ja auch :-) aber wirklich interessant wäre ein Review durch sie. Die Pixii ist ja jüngst mit dem 64Bit Prozessor neu aufgelegt worden. BTW ist es auch die einzige mir bekannte, bei der man so etwas upgraden lassen kann! Ich habe sie bestellt, aber noch nicht erhalten. Jetzt ist Zürich auch nicht gleich ums Eck von Wien, sonst hätte ich sie gerne zur Verfügung gestellt. Ich werde mal mit dem Startup Gründer, David, Kontakt auf nehmen. Vielleicht gefällt ihm ja die Idee auch. LG
Hi, David von Pixii ist interessiert. Wie können wir mal direkt in Kontakt treten? LG WK „mail2wk“ das komische Zeichen und dann „web“ mit der Dora Emil Endung
@@testhifitesthifi4626 Vielen Dank, in "About" auf meinem Channel ist meine Mail Adresse, David kann mich jederzeit dort kontaktieren. Happy weekend!
Hi, lieben Dank. Leider ist für mich keine email Adresse auffindbar im RUclips account, auch nicht in den Infos/about. Vielleicht wird es mir auf dem Handy nicht angezeigt, who knows. Daher mein Versuch in einer der vorangegangenen Antworten meine Mail anzugeben, ohne dass diese von RUclips (das wird so nämlich) abgelehnt wird. Würde mich freuen, wenn wir per Mail Kontakt aufnehmen könnten um dann zu schauen wie wir das arrangiert bekommen. Ps: mein Interesse liegt nur im outcome aus dem Review. LG WK
How can dng images can set to black and white in lightroom?
There is a simple button for B&W conversion in LR Classic, converts the image automatically. Its on top of the settings, right-hand-side. Then you can export the DNG to where ever you want, really straight forward.
@@mathphotographeryou mean apply preset on import ?
@@ZhieNd32 No - just import RAW, convert into B&W and then adjust and export as DNG.
40 mpix M10 mono to 220 mpix of color sensor? Nonsense here. The resolution of color sensor is Nyquist number devided by square root of 2. It is about 30 percent lower in terms of LW/PH.
The multiplying factor is about 2,25, therefore 40 mpix Leica M10 mono sensor delivers same details/ resolution as 90 mpix color sensor. Anyway pixel count is 40 million, not 90 :)
Your toys are the best!
Ha! :) Thanks for that compliment :)
@@mathphotographer your videos are very informative too! Unfortunately most of us lack all your toys!
@@amaitra Thanks, and yes, guilty :) Leica gives me these gear and I enjoy them.
Too expensive just for monochrome sensor camera just lacking Bayer color filter.
i was not blow away by the resolution difference between M11 and M11M ....
Well observed, the M11 sensor already is terrific and hard to top :) And remember, the M11M sensor is essentially the same M11 sensor, just without the colour filter.
I don't want to sound rude but you put so much emphasis on "sharpness" that you sound like one of those RUclipsrs who have no idea what Leica is all about. It's a "bad" word to over-use describing such gear. None of the masters shooting Leica ever cared about “sharpness”. It’s about the “soul” Laica captures that other brands don’t. sorry don't mean to sound rude. Thank you
Spot-on comment, your statement is by no means rude or offending. My focus on sharpness but also in one section on dynamic range is coming from the typical bunch of questions I get :) But clearly Leica is about the "Leica Look" including softness of bokeh, three dimensional pop in an image, telling a story, etc.
@@mathphotographer I agree. Sorry I keep forgetting this pixel sharpness obsession ppl have. Thank you for your reply.
@@tjmanou6422 Your comment was a very balanced and justified view. I welcome such comments.
this guy grandchildren gonna inherit all those leicas
Yes they will. Crossing fingers they have a sense for photography, lol :)
Production date : 2022/11/23!!!!!
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@@mathphotographer Sorry for the confusion, just want to say that it was already available nearly half a year ago.
@@Sniper5354 Clear, understood :)
Thanks you. So tempted to sell a kidney! 😂😅
Don't do it ;) You surely need your kidney much more than a mono camera, lol :)
@@mathphotographer 🤪
@@cmolina31 Want to keep you in our community so be conscious about your body and health :)
You lucky, lucky Leica fanboy!
Guilty ;) I am indeed a Leica fanboy :)
The highlights look more weird on M11
I will look into this in greater detail next weeks, have an M11 Mono here in the studio. And there is new and final firmware now, my firmware was pre-production.
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Dommage, c'est toujours en anglais ! 😕
Je ne parle pas francais ;) very sorry my french friend. I would love to speak french but I can't.
✌️out Mathphotographer
Yes - PEACE OUT :) Have a nice weekend :)
Nah, they didn't make the LCD monochrome,
Nope - the LCD is not monochrom since you also need color for focus peaking which makes perfectly sense to me.
Nice camera but hysterical expensive.
Expensive indeed, sorry.
$9,200 for an aluminum top plate? Really?
Yes Paul, its expensive indeed. But the M11 Mono will nevertheless find a lot of buyers like most Leica products.
First!
CONGRATULATIONS :)
They should have called it M11M. Truly missed once in decades opportunity of a palindrome name.
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Leica are beautifull but they just are like trophy you wear to show. A fujifilm or Sony full frame sensors are way better than the ones in Leica but the difference is the LEICA LENSES.
Lovely speech in the middle about why to shoot in black and white.
Thanks Matt, wanted to provide my thoughts on B&W :)
I'm very disappointed that the leica logo on start up isn't monochrome. I give it 3 stars.
Thanks Geoff, that's a really interesting observation ;) I like the start-up animation a lot, to be honest. And by the way, you will also see some color pixels on the LCD when activating focus peaking and choosing a color for the peaking ;) Photos will be always in B&W but the LCD will in certain settings show some colors for information.
Yea ! Why ? I would pay another £500 if they make it black. Come on Leica, shape up !
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hey, nice comparison, how did you edit the photos, did you use a preset? or are these the sooc flat raws ? any edit ?
Wonderfully informative video as always, appreciate your perspective on b&w advantages, thank you!
Thank you very much for your kind comment.
I really enjoyed your introduction, what an incredible camera!
Many thanks, appreciate the positive feedback.
WOW!