Which Modern Country Is The Spiritual Successor Of The Roman Empire?
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My take: European Union literally is the Roman Empire and they know it. Just pretend that they aren't.
Some commentators a few years ago said America was the Holy Roman Empire.
@@iamgermane Well, There is West and East Rome. US and EU.
@@TheRezro The EU who has to rely on the US military to defend its borders??
@@iamgermane Only according to Russia Today. Article 5 was called only once. By US during Afganistan. Role of US in Europe is only deterrence. It is a defensive pact. No one pay anyone else.
I'm american of italian descent. I'm basically a Roman.
If your ancestry is from southern Italy, youre more Roman than the current Lombards up in north Italy
According to the video now you're double Roman.
@@lyricofwise6894as an Italian American who’s family migrated from Bari in the south in the 1930s, this intrigues me. Could you elaborate more?
@@lyricofwise6894 In Italia del Nord sono arrivate molte popolazioni barbariche provenienti dal Centro Europa, è vero. Ma anche nell'Italia del Sud ci sono state molte invasioni; Normanni, Arabi, Longobardi, Bizantini ecc. Tutte queste popolazioni possono aver lasciato delle tracce ma culturalmente siamo Latini, Romani. La nostra lingua, la nostra religione , le nostre usanze hanno molto poco di queste popolazioni, sono soprattutto Latine.
Mexico 🇲🇽 largest romance speaking Catholic country on earth
The US government was founded by men who were well educated in the history of the Greeks and of the Roman Empire along with the different forms of government. Like the Romans, the US rejected any form of monarchy and modeled the new Government on a Republic but unlike the Romans, to keep the government in check, Magna Carta elements were added, like the constitution and equal powers of the 3 branches of government etc which has made the government more stable.....
Rome wasn’t full of zombie junkies and homeless nighas… bad comparison
Stop playing with your nipples bro
Just look at Washington, D.C.
And they looked to the Iroquois confederacy on how to draw up the framework
EVERYONE is a successor to Rome, in one form or another.
That’s the beauty of Rome’s impact on the world; people have adopted its politics, religion, architecture, language, culture, customs, military…
Romes legacy isn’t beautiful because X country is its true living successor - the political entity that was the Empire is over. What makes it beautiful is that while the empire may have fallen in 1453-79, Her legacy lives on in all of us. ❤️💜
I think that's the only right answer really
@@youvebeengreeked I agree 👍.
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Everyone except Russia.
@@TheRezro They’ve inherited the title of head of the Orthodox Church, and the Slavic peoples gained their Orthodox religion from Eastern Rome.
Again, it’s one form or another. They’re not THE ONE successor to Rome - no one is - but have inherited a huge part of its empire.
@@youvebeengreeked Patriarch of Constantinople (in Istanbul) have something to say here. Same as dozen other Patriarchs of same status as Patriarch of Moscow KGB Cyryl.
Russians gained they religion and culture from other Slavic people (or should I say steal). Not state what did not even exist when Russia actually formed. In fact Bulgar have more legit claim to title of Tzars then Russians.
Russia literally inherited no part of the Empire. In fact they desperately want Crimea so much, exactly because that was only part owned once by Byzantium. Even if Russia actually sized it from Ottomans only in 19'th century.
As a American Romaphile, I really enjoyed this vid. Then again we know the end story too don't we?
All empires fall. America is still very much in its Republic era. We still have half a millennium of empire to go and I think just like the Romans we came onto the geopolitical scene at the perfect time.
@@geordiejones5618 The Emperor in ancient Rome wasn't a Monarch thought, it's still likely that we are in the 3rd century crisis.
Autocratic theocracy for eastern Rome until 1453. Autocratic monarchy until the split 395 AD and then 476 AD for the Western Roman Empire.
@@geordiejones5618 Yeah but the roman Republic wasn´t christian from the start. This shortens your lifetime a lot since you can´t have an american Augustus and stop mass migration with christian compassion ethics and save muh holy land at play...
@@geordiejones5618 That is inaccurate statement. Empires usually grow thanks to unreliable factors like conquest. But they may grow to more stable forms. Is it defined as the fall? Relative.
All of Europe, plus the Americas. Unfortunately, we don’t build beautiful buildings as we did until the early 20th century, but there has been some attempts in Eastern Europe in recent years
Yeah well skyscrapers are definitely modern humans idea of “grandiose” although I don’t think they look better it represents our higher ambitions
Italy's got the Republic's political and petty infighting.
Basically every country does
@@akjdhajkdjhaghjkadh9804 Including having to literally drag a parliament representative out of the floor because he's being an idiot on purpose?
I want to go to the US to look up at the Stars... to see them from another place in the world...
They look so much better from the US perspective. If go over the Mexican border these same stars look like crap
I have often considered the amazing number of similarities between Rome and the USA. Thank you for breaking it down for me.
Because US is side branch of Europe, what is Rome. US literally has symbols of Roman power in Congress.
You forgot: Roman empire was the third most populace state in the world after India and China. So is the US today!
I'm pretty sure India was not a unified country in antiquity though. They had short-lived empires spanning much of the subcontinent, but nothing that endured like China or Rome.
US Americans have seen in Rome a cautionary tale for how a republic can fall. It was a big source of inspiration (along with other old world and new world government models). It won't be just one election that does it. It is more like a slow slide into autocracy.
Well told Sebastianus! As an American, I really wish our people and politicians could look back at the lessons of ancient Rome........
If our leaders weren't so corrupt they would, given we were founded based upon the ideals of the Roman Republic. Alas...
Chissà perché tutto il mondo vuole essere il successore spirituale. Della grande Roma
Se lo sognano.
I. Religious Tolerance: USA and Europe
Despite poor treatment of traditional Christianity, mainly by those on the left side of the political spectrum, it is a better situation than in other countries.
II. Grandiose Architecture: partially USA and Europe (if we include buildings up to 200 years ago.)
Modernist and post-modernist styles of architecture are very ugly.
Cities like New York, San Fransico, and Los Angeles usually scare me away.
III. Assimilation of other cultures: USA, China, Russia and partially Europe
IV. Multicultural Melting pot: USA, Europeand Russia
V. Powerful and expensive military: USA, China and partially Russia (Europe no more)
After 2022 I don't think Russia has a powerful military
VI. Constant Wars: USA and Russia. (Europe no more)
VII. Propensity for Civil Wars: USA, Russia and 3rd world countries (Europe no more)
VIII. Societal Poralization: USA and Europe
IX. High Technological advancement: USA and China (Europe no more)
X. Powerful culture: USA, Japan and partially Europe.
Maybe not as strong as before, European culture was the basis for US culture.
XI. Brutal Entertainment: Most if not all countries on Earth
XII. Problems with illegal mass Migration: USA and Europe
XIII. Problems with inflation: Most if not all countries on Earth
XIV. Late-stage democracy: USA and partially Europe
(Note: If the country got partially included in a box it gets 0.5 points)
So in summary:
USA: 13.5/14 EU: 8/14 Russia: 6.5/14 China: 5/14
So as a European, I must give credit to the USA, that they are most similar to old Rome, even if I don't like it.
Cool break down and scoring.
No Brah! You right in your analysis, but if you look at my empirical bias evidence Mexico is the modern day Rome!
I do not agree with the list, the USA was created on institutions modeled after ancient Greece and ancient Rome, but they are far from the Roman Empire. Rather, I would associate it more with Carthage. Or it is best to say that the USA is like the Western Rome, while Russia is like the Eastern Rome. And it is not true that Russia is no longer a superpower because of Ukraine. Simply, NATO is sending all the military aid to Ukraine and several thousand European volunteers are fighting on the side of Ukraine, and of course Russia will face a serious threat. Besides, they can't send too many troops into Ukraine, as the Ukrainians do (to the last Ukrainian, right?), and there is something that would lead to a nuclear war, which most of us don't want. Not to say that Russia is a superpower is like saying about the USA in 1962 at the time of the Cuban crisis, and yet the USA remains a superpower. So a bad comparison. In addition, China is not the heir of Rome, it is the heir of its old empire during the Qin, Han, Tang, Song, Ming and Qing dynasties, they only took Western methods, while the West took a lot of devices from China during the Middle Ages.
Many did not like Rome when it existed either.
As an American i agree. We are at least emulating the fall of Rome on point.
Hahaha fall of Rome 😂😂 no maybe the fall of the Roman republic tho
@akjdhajkdjhaghjkadh9804 ....that is still Rome....so my point still stands...you can't read can you...judging by your name i believe i am hitting the nail on the head.
Still Italy.
Same territory, still holding Rome, closest language to Latin and similar culture.
From the founding of Rome to the present day, Roman identity has remained a continuous thread throughout Italy's history.
Would the vatican technically be closer due to also having Rome (although a smaller part of it) and still using latin?
@@amienabled6665 Italy absorbed the old papal state, while the Vatican is just a new territorial concession create by Italy.
Also, as of today, the official language of the Vatican is Italian.
@alessandrogrossi6888 accually the official language is LATIN...
@@lesgillard985 No, it isn’t anymore.
@@alessandrogrossi6888 really? So what is it?
Honestly, the question of whether the country on question is a late-stage democracy or not is one that depends *very much* on the next election, and potentially the one after that.
One major difference is that no one city is the epicenter to the US as Rome/Constantinople was to the Roman empire.
Don't tell that to a New Yorker!
The US itself revolves around Washington but the world revolves around NY, thats where wall street, the federal reserve and the UN are all based out of for a reason
Makes sense. Let's not forget the British Empire, which the American Empire was initially an offshoot of, also modeled itself from Rome and was wildly successful in turning English into a global language, further consolidated under American hegemony. It's more a question of who currently is following the values of superiority espoused by the ancient Romans the best rather than who is most Roman.
I have always felt we looked to ancient Greece as our inspiration. Then we have the ancient empire being eclipsed by the new.
I came to say the same exact statement.
I've for a while thought of the British Empire as the heir of the Roman Empire & the US (I am an American) as the offshoot of the British Empire as the Byzantine Empire.
@@Kevin-vx8qeAncient Rome has conquered Ancient Greece. But they took over lots of their culture and art.
If you search for a true successor of the Imperium Romanum Christianum Pars occidentalis, my answer is the obvious: Status Civitatis Vaticanae. What else?
It's the country of the state religion of the late empire, Latin is its official language, it is located in Rome. And while it is now the smallest country on Earth, it is still of world wide influence.
Come on, this feels like you thought of US and then worked backwards. Plus a 1500 year interlude is quite a long lag time for a spiritual successor, US might tick a lot of boxes but the time lag makes Spain, Britain, and France feel just as much spiritual successors, not even considering Asian empires like Ming China. The problems Rome faced have affected most empires at some time or another.
yea, seems more like Moscow rationalising their medieval claim at being 3rd Rome, but I think even their connection thru mass baptism and subsequent marriage to Roman princess is rock solid and very rational compared to inflation being one of defining characteristics of true Romanness...
As an American (Roman) living in California (Greece) near Stanford (Athens), i approve this message 😆
I don’t know if it’s a spiritual continuous of Roman Empire, but may be a spiritual continuous of a Great Empire, especially from the “west”.
Modern Greeks still more or less identify with Romans.
The successor of the Roman Empire must be a state of Romans.
The Roman Empire first persecuted the Holy Church before becoming Catholic. Don't forget the christian martyrs !
And Christians will again be persecuted by these inheritors of classical Rome.
The Catholic Church has killed more Christians than Pagan Rome ever dreamed of.
More were martyred after the conversion of Constantine than before.
Rome also persecuted Druids and Manicheans during the same period.
The USA since our intervention in WW1 and ever since, especially after WW2, fits this description pretty well. The USA is toast for all these reasons and more. The clock is ticking.
You're missing one key element in your theory. The United States is self-sufficient when it comes to food and raw material. We don't need to go outside to create what we need.
And we are also on the cutting-edge of technology.
Thanks for this video I agree with you
Very thoughtful production!
You forgot that both US and Roman empire have eagle as their national emblem
We Germans do have it as well 😊
Anche l'Albania. Ma poi cosa vuol dire? Voi non siete Romani.
You forgot massive wealth inequality. Rome and US have similar Gini coefficients.
The US is very much in the modern equivalent of the ancient 400's AD.
The successor to the Roman Empire was the Holy Roman Empire, then the Spanish Empire, the British Empire and now the USA. The British Commonwealth is far larger than the USA.
The Holy Roman Empire (of German nations) existed until 1806… when Kaiser Franz II resigned. 😊
All of western civilization is.
Lire, what's your source?
@@faizanrana2998 your mom
The point is not 'like Rome?' Long ago, Churchill said, 'I don't mind being a modern Greece relative to America as the modern Rome. The points ARE... Does the US have another 400 years ahead in that historical scenario. Can the US resist the 'over-reach' of Rome. Can the Western world find a way to Subsidize the Protection and economic trade environment which the US 'system' provides and which creates great economic prosperity via world trade and protections from jealous neighbors?
The U.S. has a good thousand years ahead imo maybe not in the same political landscape but in one form another we’ll keep independence and dominance
@@akjdhajkdjhaghjkadh9804 Mille anni sono tanti......
The United States republican model is based on the Roman republic, and the subsequent history is one of imperial expansion and increasing powers in the position of president. A more or less self-sufficient economy in need of raw materials, markets and labor (including slave labor) motivated relentless and genocidal expansion into savage (barbarian) lands and colonies of other competing empires. The militarism in the US, judged by its constant warfare and domination of the economy by a military/industrial complex and an economic elite while the general populace (including the absorbed immigration from conquered lands and US colonialism in trade) paying for its own oppression in taxes and the jobs they perform for our oligarchy, has created a vast propaganda machine and destabilizing inequalities of wealth and corruption, while assassinations and minorities empowered by the undemocratic electoral college have often been the means of change in our government. Meanwhile, our so-called leaders constantly cite "our democracy" or "our republic" ad nauseum while our nation is obviously a class dictatorship run by the wealthiest from outside the government, using lobbyists to write our laws and money to corrupt our elected officials and judiciary. The over-expansion of our empire to a global superpower has left our domestic economy dependent on slave labor (from our prisons and foreign economies dominated by colonialism and "free trade"), our military over-extended and regularly losing wars despite the money we throw at the Pentagon with no oversight, and competing empires such as Russia and China and local insurgencies among the peoples dominated by Washington and Wall Street. The pompous self-regard of Americans and the mass ignorance about our history, how foreign policy works, and even how our economy works, allow the nation as a whole to hurtle toward its own destruction unrestrained by weak or ruined democratic institutions and practices. No empire has ever reformed itself out of an appeal to humane and compassionate values. We love violence, entertain ourselves to brain death, and exploit our immigrants legal and illegal both economically and rhetorically with lies, incitements to hatred, and violence. So, I expect the US to continue to decline and fall like every empire in history. Of course, I also believe we all have an obligation to resist this morbid momentum and to use what rights we have left to change our basic social contract and governance, no matter the odds, but the wrong people have all the money and guns. I wrote this while listening to your own analysis, and I believe our agreement reflects our mutual interest in Roman history and late antiquity. I've read many books regarding Roman history and am knee-deep in Gibbon's volume 1, a tough but fascinating read. Thanks for all the work you put into your videos.
The US Constitutional Republic.
You forgot to mention that USA legal system is based on English Common Law, which came from King Alfred the Great and influenced by Roman Catholic Church Canon Law, which came from Roman Law
Ma il diritto anglosassone non è il Diritto Romano, l'inglese non deriva dal Latino e il protestantesimo e la Chiesa Anglicana si sono staccati da Roma.
I guess we're going to skip over fact that Rome brutally persecuted Christians?
In a way the Roman Catholic Church is a continuation of the Roman Empire-the pope's title Pontifex Maximus,tbe dioceses which were first established by Emperor Constantine the Great
No the Christian Church took the titles from Pagan Rome. They are NOT a continuation. Christianity was spread by force and fear, they have stolen everything pagan Roman and called their own.
For the record, one of Julius Ceasars titles was Pontifix Maximus, Loooooooong before the Pope's bestowed the title to them selves!
@@marcpaola1371 Gratian gave up the title, then the popes inherited it.
Great video as always but didn't the Romans used to have the Christians executed especially Jesus in the cross?
Yeah, this guys just a typical pagan apologist. Not to mention he’s wrong. Even ignoring the many Christian, Manichean persecutions, the Romans going as far back to the mid 2nd century BC persecuted specific cults. The Bacchic rites were one such cult, which was suppressed by the senate in 186 BC, although the cult did survive under strict regulations.
@@TlatoaniMontezuma Druids too!
Great video! To be honest, France could also be a solid contender (especially late XIX century France) and it would have been great to have a list of honoroble mentions. But great video!
In the Middle Ages, the Orient Roman empire.
In the Modern Age, the Spanish empire.
Today, the United States of America.
57 seconds into the video. I am going to go on record here and say the USA. I could give a bunch of reasons but one would be a near state of continuous war. We always have soldiers in some far-flung outpost "for the empire". The corruption would be another. The power of the US has long reached the critical mass where powerful forces struggle behind the scenes to shape how that power gets implemented.
Your point about foreign wars is one many people are overlooking here in the comments and one thing I also think is very significant. What other current global power has soldiers and bases all over the known world, such as Rome did?
It's very "Roman-esque".
USA??!! You got me there. I was sure it was Liechtenstein! (joke) I guessed the USA after the first sentence of the intro.
Damm, completely forgot about countries with actual connections to Rome like Italy 🇮🇹😭😭, and even in the americas, Latin America has more of a connection to Rome because of the language and culture, I guess one of the few similarities between the US and Rome is how they both did genocide, the us with indigenous peoples and the Romans with the Carthaginians and Gauls, they both did slavery as well I guess
Rome erased Dacians totally and the Celtic tribes almost completely
@@volkerr. Le tribù celtiche che vivevano nell'Italia del Nord si amalgamarono ai Romani e accettarono la Civiltà Romana. Lo so perchè ci vivo.
Yeah but Italy has no power or influence in todays world pretty poor country tbh
@@akjdhajkdjhaghjkadh9804 L'Italia non ha un grande potere politico a livello mondiale e preferisco così. Riguardo alla povertà ha il reddito medio degli altri paesi europei quindi non lo definirei povero. Quello che ho detto, però, riguardava il fatto che molte popolazioni italiche e anche al di fuori dell'Italia, durante l'Impero Romano, accettarono quello che Roma rappresentava come Civiltà, e non si trovarono affatto male visto che oggi quasi tutte le popolazioni del Mediterraneo e zone vicine sono orgogliose di aver fatto parte dell'Impero Romano.
Ti ricordo che tutte le popolazioni dell'antichità avevano gli schiavi, anche i greci che ammiriamo tanto. Per quanto riguarda Cartagine è stata distrutta dopo una lunga guerra, anzi 3 guerre. Tutte le popolazioni dell'antichità distruggevano i loro nemici, anche Roma è stata saccheggiata più volte.
Well!!! You could have knocked me down with a feather... the USA!?!?!?! Who would have thunk it!
As an American, I'm starting to see a pattern
Unfortunately, I think you are spot on. The USA is very close in all respects.
Bro mass immigration was not why the Roman Empire fell 😂
France (ex Gaul) has probably the most verifiable continuous connection with its Roman past.
France: Land of the Franks.
Language, customs and culture, religion. And most important: actual memory of the people of their own history: Greece. Greeks are also called themselves as: hellenes or romaioi. . Vocabulary of the Greek language, defines all the 3 name as the same meaning, which is: greek.
The Romans' native language was Latin though.
I totally agree that USA is the closest to Ancient Rome today - rather going all the way back to pre-Caesar times.
But, as an honorary mention, I’d think today’s Russia is a bit alike to the Medieval Roman Empire, and is fighting its Gothic war (with the same devastating perspective).
Btw, the Chinese Empire had also emerged in 1 BCE out of warring kingdoms and with already developed and great culture. 😉
Am writing this at the beginning, before seeing the entire video. Don't think there is any exact match but the U.S. has a lot in common with Imperial Rome.
It's Finland easily and my reasonings are too complicated to put into words so you just gotta trust me.
Almeno è originale.
😂😂😂😂 kitos 😅😊
I’d rather say it’s Estonia because their language structure somehow reminds me to Latin 😂
@@volkerr. Da Italiana, e quindi particolarmente interessata all'Impero Romano, preferisco queste risposte divertenti piuttosto di sentir dire che paesi che non hanno NIENTE di Romano, come USA, Cina e altri, si ritengono eredi di Roma. Sia chiaro che NESSUNO è erede diretto di Roma. Un saluto alla Finlandia e all'Estonia.
As a Columbusite (that’s the best we came up with for ourselves) which is a city often overlooked, I appreciate the map of the US pre eating half of Mexico having Columbus on it. Great channel!
C'è stato un fatto importante che caratterizza l'Impero Romano e che tutti gli altri Imperi, passati e presenti, non potranno mai avere. Un evento che spezza il tempo, il più importante di tutta la Civiltà Romana. In una Provincia lontana da Roma, durante la Pax Romana dell'Imperatore Ottaviano Augusto, in un piccolo villaggio, una sconosciuta ragazza di 16 anni dà alla luce un bambino. La fanciulla si chiamava Maria.
Victorian-era UK comes to mind too. I was looking for an alternate answer since I am in the U.S. and don’t want to be seen as a total chauvinistic patriot.
No. L'Impero Inglese è l'Impero Inglese, l'Impero Romano è l'Impero Romano. L'inglese è una lingua che non deriva dal latino come invece l'Italiano, lo Spagnolo, il Portoghese, il francese e il rumeno. Anche la religione dell'Impero Romano negli ultimi secoli era legata a Roma, cosa che la Gran Bretagna ha rifiutato 500 anni fa, tranne pochi inglesi, forse il 10%, che con tante difficoltà, sono rimasti fedeli. Il Diritto Anglosassone è diverso dal Diritto Romano e la Gran bretagna ha voluto negli ultimi anni uscire dall'Unione Europea. Per gli USA potrei dire più o meno le stesse cose.
The real spiritual successor to rome has yet to be founded
It will be the union of all Latin American states under one banner
@dancerv5861 Latin America needs to revamp their education system. Because as of today, they're technologically inferior.
The Catholic Church
The Orthodox Church
Clearly America is the successor, reasons are obvious, not the least of which (beyond checking all the boxes) is America being a direct descendent of Roman/western people, culture, society...
How others would pick Spain, Greece, Turkey, UK, etc... is beyond me.. they check few boxes and have no scale. Recalling your original question.. e.g. Today.
Salve Sebastianus, do you have any tips for a starting history youtube channel? Don't get my wrong...I don't want to advertise my channel here, but honestly I would be very interested in your opinion about my last video. You definetly were part of my inspiration to start the channel. Thanks for your great work and keep on!
By the way, I find the USA to be a very solid choice :)
I agree with you. Although others have made the claim: Napoleonic France, Italy in the Twenties and Thirties and Russia for centuries (by descent through Constantinople) with some even calling Moscow "The Third Rome."
Moscow is the third Rome. It was the successor to Constantinople. Ecumenical Patriarch Jeremias II recognised the metropolitan of Moscow as patriarch
What do you call the persecutions of Nero, Domiitan and Diocletian?
Yes, he also doesn't mention Jews were also persecuted across the empire after the first rebellion in Judea. Other persecuted groups were the Druids and Manicheans.
The person making this video is clearly anti-Christian, glossing over the extreme persecution that Christians faced, and other religious orders that refused to submit to Rome. The Romans wiped out the Druids, how is that religious tolerance? Either the maker of this video is ignorant of history, or is intentionally misleading his audience to blame Christianity.
Who is the Spiritual Successor of Rome? Uhh idk probably the Vatican.
I used to think America was not an empire, but it is very much one, not too dissimilar from Rome, and has been one for a very long time. The Civil War ended a republic founded after throwing off the rule of a king, and a regional empire was informally established, existing on the premise of a republic (do any of those previous clauses sound familiar, fellow Romanophiles?); the US states, as they are today, are more-or-less clients of the federal government. The Second World War transformed that regional empire into a global empire, which still barely clings to supremacy today, though cracks are forming now. There is nobody yet calling for division of that empire into more manageable fragments. An "Eastern Empire" may still rise, but it won't be American. Unlike the fall of the Western Empire, I think when America fades from the world stage, there will not be so many lamentations of what as lost, as there will be sighs of relief.
Except the invasion of Mexico and the appropriation of half the territory predates the Civil War.
@@marcelagarcia3925 Yes, the Mexican-American war, but similar to that, we still view Rome as a republic while they expanded throughout the Italian peninsula, and then into Sicily and the Iberian peninsula, putting them into conflict w/ Carthage.
What about the Holy Roman Empire of German nations..? It existed officially until Napoleon had extinct it. 😎👍
Russia is the only real successor, it's like eastern Rome has survived to the modern days mixed with slavic culture
Interesting video. Our Founding Fathers occasionally took on Roman names when writing to each other and/ or about the government they were trying to create. As for "at least one civil war", clearly we had our "War Between the States" or "War of Northern Aggression" as some in Da South like to say. But I wonder if our civil/ cultural upheaval of the late 1960s might also fall into this category. While not a "civil war", the mass protests, civil unrest, and government (state & federal) responses (like Kent State) caused many at the time to wonder "what the frak is going on??".......yes?
this better not be another amaury de reincourt situation...
ah hell no, America is not Rome
Haha yes we are,we are the new Rome buddy
I may not be the most proud American, but try to stand up to that empire. Said nation would likely be vaporized and turned into another puppet state like the rest of them. The USA most certainly acts like Rome, and it's not coincidence given that the founders based it around the ideas, laws and concepts of the Roman Republic.
Okay, try to stand up to it then.
Rome never moved- it just shrank into Vatican City. Official language-Latin. One leader who has god-like infallibility (the Pope). The leader elected by a Curia (of cardinals). Appointment of personal representatives to oversee territories in other lands (Bishops and parishes). Tolerance of other religions (now...since Crusades were not cost effective). Wealth and art of other lands on display in the city. Same system, just bigger hats and less laurel wreaths crowns.
No military power now. Gotta have some Legions and be too dog at the moment
That’s not correct.
The papal state was absorbed by Italy, while the Vatican is just a territorial concession created by the Italian state.
Also, the official language of Vatican is Italian.
It is fun to compare and contrast any major power in history to Rome. The reality however is that USA is more like European culture from 1800 to today. Ps. I love your videos.
Give the Algorithm it's honor. Great video too
I almost completely disagree with the entirety of this video. The standards presented are conditions not necessarily or intrinsically Roman and could just as well be applied to a variety of antiquity's states . When I'm looking the spiritual succesor of the roman empire I'm looking at historical continuity , culture, religion and language. By these standards it would be greece that is the closest to the roman empire in its eventual form .
E' quello che penso anch'io, tutti gli imperi hanno certe caratteristiche. Se vogliamo fare un paragone con l'Impero romano dobbiamo guardare la sua lingua (il latino da cui discendono varie lingue moderne ma non l'inglese), la sua religione (il cristianesimo che mette al centro Roma, quindi il cattolicesimo) e il Diritto Romano che non è uguale a quello anglosassone. Quindi perchè tutta questa gente si crede di essere Roma? Non lo è, punto.
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you could say America,,or even China oh and China has a wall
China is successor of China, not of Rome.
China......not at all.
@@LuisAldamiz China is multi cultural ,autocratic, has many subjugated peoples,a small bit of democracy,,used to be a empirein fact it still is in all but name.What more do you want?
@@lipsee100 - Latin script?
China paralleled Rome back in Rome's day, it's its own thing, it has always been, and it has never claimed or hold any Greco-Roman heritage whatsoever (not before it was semi-colonized by "neo-Romans" = Europeans).
@@LuisAldamiz Of course all that is true. But I,m talking about the basic concept of big empire/country ,and peoples,, the cultural side yes completely different.But if Rome was in the position China is now ,you would say it had survived .. Now there is a thought...end
Sorry, Maiorianus, but there's absolutely no correlation between M3 and high inflation events.
America is the only right answer
Only for the LGBT part
I think there has been a problem in translation of ideas between languages here. "Spiritual successor", in English, would be a clumsy term but would mean a successor in the field of spiritual things, i.e. religion. The current Dalai Lama, for example, is the spiritual successor of the previous Dalai Lama. The Holy Spirit is the spiritual successor to Jesus in terms of divine interaction with our present world, according to Christian theology. The vast majority of items you've listed here, Maiorianus, don't qualify as "spiritual", in the English sense. I think what you were getting at is "Which modern country is the most equivalent to the Roman Empire?".
Yes I agree, think he means at this "moment" , not in some long historical sense
Spiritual successor as in "in the spirit of". Ie: emulating it the most closely.
The problem is that "spiritual successor" does not mean "in the spirit of" and the latter really doesn't mean "emulate" either. Again, I think this is a problem of language difference.
Agreed, I take issue with the term "spiritual successor". He's really just asking who is the best imitator of Imperial Rome based on superficial externals.
Imperium of Man is the true successors of Rome
Me as an American the entire time sending that it was the USA😂😂😂 literally every point I was like “man this is exactly what’s going on here”
Anybody think the US
Of course its the American Empire - many nationalities, religiously tolerant, a massive military in hundreds of countries, always fighting wars somewhere debased currency leading to inflation, late stage democracy, etc
US is constantly described as Rome 2.0 for the last 20 years. All it lacks is it's own versions of Julius Caesar and Octavian Augustus.
@@hemidasWe are in our late Republic stage
The biggest influences from Rome on the Founding Fathers for how they wanted to form a new country free from the chaotic systems the saw in Europe at that time, was the republican governance of ancient Rome, the logic of Roman Law and the order and beauty of classical architecture.
Jefferson was a Gentleman Architect and a Renaissance man who was heavily influenced by the ancient world as many scholars were at that time.
I don't think they ever imagined that America would become a military superpower with a de facto empire.
The big question should be: "can we learn from the decline of Rome and the collapse of the Eastern Roman Empire?"
Within that question, I would suggest that the history of these empires has taught us that friends, allies and influence from culture / soft power are all important; much more so than military power. That is something a future American Caesar may not recognise.
Yes.
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USA west
Russia east
E' interessante leggere sulla Bibbia (primo Libro dei Maccabei, capitolo 8) quello che le altre popolazioni dell'antichità pensavano della Civiltà Romana. Si capisce chiaramente che avevano ammirazione e rispetto per la sua potenza, ma anche per la lealtà verso gli alleati e per come era organizzato lo Stato Romano.
It has always been acknowledged that the US is modern Rome. Only eccentrics making very narrow, particular arguments think otherwise. For example, someone in the comments said Canada. As a native-born white Canadian, allow me to scoff at that fruitcake idea on everyone's behalf lol...
The USA is the modern Roman empire for its military economic and cultural power.
Byzantine empire is the medieval history of the Greek nation, as east roman’s empire evolved eventually. Assimilating the terms: Byzantine/estern Roman Empire people/greeks, as one meaning. All the literature of Western Europe of 10th-15th century refers to east Roman Empire as: Greek empire. Cause it was this, also.
Russia.
How come you haven’t mentioned the legal system, courts and a RULE OF LAW, the only truly distinguishable thing which actually shows the “spiritual” connection(maybe you mentioned it I just wasn’t attentive)
E poi la lingua, il latino, dal quale derivano varie lingue moderne, ma non l'Inglese e neanche il russo e la religione che dev'essere legata a Roma, quindi cattolica. Il diritto Romano non è uguale a quello anglosassone.
Rome was already polarized way before Christianity, when it had a huge population as slaves, and that caused the Slave Uprisings in the first century BC. Christianity was too weak to cause any problems for the first centuries, and the elites were already divided just as in the Bizantine empire. If anything, it seems that the diversity of religion and cults you describe was the result of that spiritual
breakdown as Rome, which started to forgets its gods and turned to Platonism and new a Egyptian and Persian gods. Christianity eventually won only because the local religions were too divided and unorganized already.
Given how many of our governmental buildings, laws, etc, emulate Roman design and ideas, there is much evidence in America that this was no mistake. The founders definitely did this by design and took great inspiration from classical Rome.
Edit; fun fact, New Yorks street design and layout was laid out and designed in the Roman fashion and the city at the turn of the century looked almost like a neo-Rome in some areas and aspects until skyscraper and urban design began changing into the 20th century. There are whispers of Rome woven into the very fabric of this nation and its founding. Probably why we have military bases on every continent too 😂
The US has also been in a "cold civil war" in recent years and many have been questioning if this is the beginning of the end for the USAs hegemony. Vast foreign wars, bread and circus, in fighting population. You can see the comparisons.
Mussolini made a career out of building things that looked Roman -- didn't really help him or 20th century Italy, did it?
@@mikesmith2057 Infatti. questo dimostra che l'Impero romano non si può copiare. E' finito, rassegnatevi.
There was one, but its stopped existing in 1945. it was led by a famous austro - german painter.
Paintings Of landscapes... I'm mean come on bro? Draw a face
Your analogies are accurate, in so far as I can say. Thank you for the video!
In a spiritual sense, it would be Russia. But what is meant by “Third Rome” is quite different than what most people want it to mean. They viewed themselves as the heirs to Rome in the sense of Rome being the seat of the emperor of the Orthodox Christians, who was supposed to defend their interests worldwide. This is not the Rome of Romulus, or Scipio, or Augustus, but it is the Rome of Constantine, Theodosius, and Justinian. The Russian Tsar enjoyed the same kind of preeminent position throughout the Orthodox Christian world as the leader of the largest Orthodox state and main defender of Orthodox interests.
Of course, this was a theoretical ideal that was seldom actually achieved. There were some very pious and good Tsars, and there were some wicked ones who hated the Church and tried to crush it. Just like how Islam has had to rethink itself politically since the fall of the last Caliphate, Orthodox Christianity has had to reevaluate its political position in the world, and the now-secular Russia has to find another justification for its superpower status. In soviet times, it was communism, and people also started experimenting with the Eurasian idea. Now there’s also the “Russian World” idea, which is kind of the successor to the Third Rome idea.
High inflation problems definitely indicate Turkey
lol touché
With some mental gymnastics you could also argue between the Vatican and Mount Athos
I have long thought of the US as the new Roman Empire. On the same path, unfortunately. Only speeded up.
It's still Italy though, people there still share the mentality closest to Roman.
They are all about gastronomy now.
Dunno, can’t imagine ancient Roman having a high opinion of current Italians should they come to the 21st century. Romans of those days probably resemble Americans in character I think.
Here in the USA, left vs. right usually consists of Pagans vs. Christians.
Which do you prefer.
Lines can also be drawn along hedonism vs traditionalism. I'm not picking sides, but would like to point out that this is another battle line in which America has divided itself in recent times.
I beg to disagree. Left and right both contain Christian and non-Christian elements, but in different ways.
Yeah, but don't forget that Roman Empire was based on millions slaves. All the system worked because of the slaves: economy, social classes, political structure, law, everything was intimately based on institutionalized mass slavery extended to the whole empire, this makes the Roman Empire not comparable with any modern nation.
This surprisingly fits the USA
Another thing is Rome was extremely patriarchal. No way in heck does America fit considering how they let women vote. A lot of people believe that Harris has a good shot at winning too.
@@thevisitor1012see "western Rome circa 4th and 5th century AD"
It would be have to be Mexico! The similarities are very similar its like looking into a mirror. That and because of all the Mexican Romans.