+Lee Thomas COOL! More coming soon on this, but if you want to see the tower now then check out mrphill100's video (link at end of movie and in the description).
+mrmattandmrchay have just watched it. I'm amazed how much junk seems to be just dumped up there, or maybe I have been brainwashed with "lean manufacturing" practices for too long.
Sorry to be the bearer of bad news but the left hand lift has now been modernised. The right hand lift is still original but for how much longer is anybody's guess.
LiftFun01 at least if it's switched off it will be preserved in original condition unless they are planning to upgrade that lift as well. With the tower out of use I cannot see the need for two working lifts.
Seeing that Mark's shop is awesome... My grandma was from Wolverhampton and she used to take me to the Mark's at the Mall here in Canada all the time when I was a kid. Loved their chips.
Well done for arranging that. I made a few half-arsed attempts over the years, usually involving calling managers who never called back, when I dropped into the services.
When I was a little boy in the 80s... my family and I visited these motorway services quite a lot, but one time in particular we visited late at night as we were heading back to Cumbria from Blackpool having been there for the day and I wandered off to play with the lifts as I had a fascination with them at the time. Unbeknownst to me they had shut the services on the other side as was the practice back then when one side was less busy and I ended up in said lift, just before they locked it off. The lift stopped suddenly, I was plunged into darkness and was left banging on the doors for what felt like an eternity. Staff and customers helped my parents look for me, but apparently it was some time before someone heard me inside the lift... still don't like lifts to this day.
Those lamp indicators are very sophisticated. I imagine that there is some extra logic to light up the "other lift" indicators, plus the "up" and "down" words in there.
+dykodesigns2yt Yes, the shapes are odd, but the stairwell has these 2 passenger lifts, 3 dumbwaiters and a stairwell going round it all. I guess they are this shape so that they can fit.
Left-handed highway exits in North America are rare, but they do exist. There’s one a few miles from my house, which my brother takes when he goes to university.
3:07 that "lift to restaurants" sign is probably from 'Top Rank' (owned by the Rank Organisation) (the first company to own this location when it opened in 1965) since the tower was a restaurant. it could have been from "Pavilion" (who took over from 'Top Rank' in 1992 & those round signs in the car park & stripy poled lamp posts with banners on them are from Granada (who took over in 1995) (the predecessors to Moto)). and at 6:30 I heard a World Dryer Airforce hand dryer. Moto seem to own the older MSA locations, in which the majority (if not all) still have the good old classic lifts.
+IDLift3000 Nope, nothing on the southbound side. On the north bound side you have the 2 passenger lifts, a gated service lift and 3 dumb waiters that go up into the tower.
Later on, Otis introduced lamps like in this video ruclips.net/video/LvXSwGC51XY/видео.html for inside the lift car. The outside ones normally have an up/down arrow lamp between the buttons.
The one thing I find wierd is in areas like that back then they didnt have the requirements for a door close button on the inside button panal even though the door close button was avalible back in the 70s when those were installed
I always wondered what U and D was for in these old Otis lifts. I remember the old lifts at Debenhams's (Hull) had it as well as NS, whatever that was.
They were used for controlling the lift manually when the lift is enabled into inspection control. The U and D buttons are obviously up and down. The NS button is for bypassing hall calls, hence it means "Non Stop".
@@idl3k_elev the U and D buttons in the car would have been part of attendant mode, to allow the attendant to change the direction of the car (I don’t entirely understand why this is a feature, but all sources of information i have available to me agree on that those buttons are for attendant mode) Lifts/Elevators in the UK, from this time period, would only have inspection controls on the car top Newer Lifts/Elevators may have up to 3 sets of inspection controls, but the shaft doors must be closed and locked in order for the inspection controls to operate
I think that sign means August 13th, not August 2013. I don't know why anyone would have wrote the year. And considering this was fimed shortly after August 13th, I assume that's what it was.
Rather late comment here, but I'm trying to find the video of the various lifts you mention at the end of this video. You say "check out the linkS below", but there's only the one link, for the tower explore. Is the video of the actual lifts available?
Well you sure got there just in time because according to your new video of returning there after many years these have been replaced with cheap crappy buttons
Can't believe I didn't try it, but I know the answer. Now, EXPRESS lifts - when you press UP, the lift arrives and it expects to go UP - if you press a lower floor, if there is a higher call it will always respect the direction it intends to travel. For OTIS, when you press UP, the lift will stop if it's going up, but if you are the last call, then the lift's UP AND DOWN arrows come on and there is no direction. Now it's the first button that you press that determines the direction. It's just how the relay logic system was designed. So the answer to your question, one of the following: 1) The up button is disconnected and wont do anything, or 2) Press up button, the lift will come up, but then after it arrives it will up or down (but as the upper floors are locked off with a key, it won't go up anyway!) so you'll only be able to go down. Hope that makes sense.
+Jonathan Cantliff I wish I had a full time job of video editing and got paid for it, then I'd be able to edit and upload them quicker haha! Right now I have to do the next Q&A else people will be waiting for their questions to be answered for a year at this rate!
+Tobias Dekker Feel free to ask anytime. Was hoping that I'd have to last Q&A up by now, then it's easier for me to answer here then it doesn't appear that you jumped the queue for the remaining people waiting for their "official Q&A" to be answered. But just ask me now, it's fine
I tried to travel past here the other day, but unfortunately these were another 20 miles north of where I was working. As far as I know they are still there but I don't have any other info.
if you see this, one of the lifts was working not too long ago, I'll explain better in Skype, my dad works at Moto Lancaster. and the tower is closed for asbestos.
+Nevexo (computercam) Hi, perhaps it was your dad that we met up with? :) It would have been great to see both lifts in working condition. My first visit, neither were working. You can hear in the background this old lady having trouble on the stairs coming down (with husband behind her) so wonder why they didn't start up the other lift if one was out of order. We had a tour of the tower, see my next video coming soon or mrphill100 channel. Did you ever get to go into the tower?
+Nevexo (computercam) --According the the listing report ( list.historicengland.org.uk/resultsingle.aspx?uid=1404607 ) "the tower restaurant was closed in 1989, partly as a result of the cost of meeting current fire escape regulations." looking at the narrow, winding escape stair shown in mrphill100's video this is most definitely a large reason behind the closure. A single escape route is usually only valid for 60 customers (the restaurant could seat twice that), the escape stair was also not that well isolated from the rest of the building (if there was a fire at the base of the tower there would be no escape from the top. As for asbestos, that is to be expected from a building of that age. The listing report states that "The wall faces are covered in corrugated asbestos sheeting" but there may be more used within the tower. Provided the asbestos is not disturbed there is minimal risk to customers and staff, however if it is in poor condition then an, expensive, removal or containment is required. Due to the limited escape access if there was a demand to reopen the top floor (moving some of the facilities up there) it would be necessary to add another fire escape, possibly destroying the aesthetics of the building. The 1960s lifts would also go at this point. It may be possible to construct two escape stairs within the core of the tower if the lifts were moved and reduced in size (getting rid of the service lift and dumb waiters) with two new fire separated stairs constructed. The cheap ground level buildings could then be removed as their use was moved up the tower. The tower is probably my only childhood memory of motorway services! more info on it, and photos from when the tower was in use, at:www.freewebs.com/fortonservices/
+Mark H indeed! the tower was closed for fire escape reasons (dad told me lol) as everyone should know you DONT use a lift in an emergency, the only way down was the staircase. Asbestos is all around the building (in a safe amount) but the tower has too much.
+spinba11 I think I asked, but to be honest I cannot remember the reply! As it had an out of order sign (and a note saying 2013) I assumed that it had been out of order for some time (i.e. years), but some people are saying that they can run either lift, but choose to keep one going.
Why did you need to go home and arrange access up the tower? Surely you just pulled out your Otis key and used it inside the car to unlock those floor buttons??
For one, according to the maintenance guy, the key that fits into that keyswitch is unique and there is only one of them left (it's been there a long time!). And also I prefer to organise things properly, especially in a place like this.
@@mrmattandmrchay Fair enough! Thanks for replying. I've loved lifts for years and years so I was really pleased to find your channel. You guys have done much more interesting stuff than I have! :-)
+Transport Elevation (Elevators Since 2012) I was there in September 2013, and the left lift was in use. The right lift was sitting at the ground floor locked out of use. I guess they alternate between them so they wear as evenly as possible.
Lack of maintenance. Connection issue or more than likely needs a new bulb. Engineers dont really carry bulbs in the back of their van's as standard stock these days I guess and customer doesnt want to pay for an engr to replace all the bulbs that don't work.
+常清扬 I am an engineer but with Security Systems mainly Access Control (CCure9000, Lenel OnGuard, S2 netbox, Kantech and lots more). I'm the company trainer also.
That's the lift alarm 'memory flag'. So when you press the lift alarm bell, this flag stays in position so you can see which lift the alarm bell was activated from. Afterwards, the slider resets the 'flag'. Very basic 'lift alarm indicator panel' but once activated it doesn't need power for the flag to remain in position, and it's mostly mechanical.
The left hand lift is used too, just not at the same time. See this picture, which shows the control panel illuminated with both left and right lift positions shown, and the hall lights lit for both up and down. tinypic.com/r/14w3c5t/8
![[Pt2] 1965 Otis goods lift + motor room (Lancaster 'forton' services - M6)](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/d8yIkxsjQKA/mqdefault.jpg)
![[Pt2] 1965 Otis goods lift + motor room (Lancaster 'forton' services - M6)](/img/tr.png)
Totally awesome, we stopped here a few months ago and my lad was desperate to know what was on 2 and 3, now I can show him!
+Lee Thomas COOL! More coming soon on this, but if you want to see the tower now then check out mrphill100's video (link at end of movie and in the description).
+mrmattandmrchay have just watched it. I'm amazed how much junk seems to be just dumped up there, or maybe I have been brainwashed with "lean manufacturing" practices for too long.
Sorry to be the bearer of bad news but the left hand lift has now been modernised. The right hand lift is still original but for how much longer is anybody's guess.
LiftFun01 I had a fear that would happen. At least we have a video record of it working.
LiftFun01 at least if it's switched off it will be preserved in original condition unless they are planning to upgrade that lift as well. With the tower out of use I cannot see the need for two working lifts.
LiftFun01 doesn't surprise me. please keep me updated if there are any further developments the next time you are passing.
Seeing that Mark's shop is awesome... My grandma was from Wolverhampton and she used to take me to the Mark's at the Mall here in Canada all the time when I was a kid. Loved their chips.
Well done for arranging that. I made a few half-arsed attempts over the years, usually involving calling managers who never called back, when I dropped into the services.
Ooooh that looks good, everyone loves the sound of an epic motor close up 😁
probabley been scavenging the parts off the other lifts to keep one goin
Awesome, can't wait for the motor room.
5:29 wow really neat buttons it was ashame to see these get replaced on one of your later videos
When I was a little boy in the 80s... my family and I visited these motorway services quite a lot, but one time in particular we visited late at night as we were heading back to Cumbria from Blackpool having been there for the day and I wandered off to play with the lifts as I had a fascination with them at the time.
Unbeknownst to me they had shut the services on the other side as was the practice back then when one side was less busy and I ended up in said lift, just before they locked it off.
The lift stopped suddenly, I was plunged into darkness and was left banging on the doors for what felt like an eternity.
Staff and customers helped my parents look for me, but apparently it was some time before someone heard me inside the lift... still don't like lifts to this day.
Those lamp indicators are very sophisticated. I imagine that there is some extra logic to light up the "other lift" indicators, plus the "up" and "down" words in there.
2:36, It could mean since August 13, 2015
yep
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Jessica Bunting What?
Jessica Bunting ?????
5:49 It's hard to see but I think the right lift has had an add on - I see some lights on the doors - safety beam?
Yes, you are right. You can see the shine of the infra-red LEDs from what the camera can see.
love the classic otis lifts! Interesstingly the shaft has a triangle shape.
+dykodesigns2yt Yes, the shapes are odd, but the stairwell has these 2 passenger lifts, 3 dumbwaiters and a stairwell going round it all. I guess they are this shape so that they can fit.
still my favorite version of your intro.
100% Agreed
Left-handed highway exits in North America are rare, but they do exist. There’s one a few miles from my house, which my brother takes when he goes to university.
3:07 that "lift to restaurants" sign is probably from 'Top Rank' (owned by the Rank Organisation) (the first company to own this location when it opened in 1965) since the tower was a restaurant. it could have been from "Pavilion" (who took over from 'Top Rank' in 1992 & those round signs in the car park & stripy poled lamp posts with banners on them are from Granada (who took over in 1995) (the predecessors to Moto)). and at 6:30 I heard a World Dryer Airforce hand dryer. Moto seem to own the older MSA locations, in which the majority (if not all) still have the good old classic lifts.
+Max Ganesh cool good information there and I do remember some of these signs from when I was a kid.
mrmattandmrchay thanks
Now you have contacts at Moto you should try to get access to the Hilton Park towers, which are also ex-Rank.
Mark H That would be very interesting
4:07 from that parking lot the tower looks so much smaller than up close maybe it was the angle of your windshield that gave the illusion away
What a great find!
Interesting shape of the lift car. This is very awesome, look forward for your next video!
+IDLift3000 Thanks - yes, the cars were almost triangular, with the point of the triangle flattened.
+mrmattandmrchay Is there a lift at the other side of the service station?
+IDLift3000 Nope, nothing on the southbound side. On the north bound side you have the 2 passenger lifts, a gated service lift and 3 dumb waiters that go up into the tower.
My friend has not stopped at Lancaster but he did go in Hilton park lift coming home from Exeter the lift opened and closed straight away
Oh, and the 2 service ones, forgot about that one!
The problem I find with those old round Otis buttons is that it's not obvious whether the button has already been pressed or not !
Later on, Otis introduced lamps like in this video ruclips.net/video/LvXSwGC51XY/видео.html for inside the lift car.
The outside ones normally have an up/down arrow lamp between the buttons.
Awesome 1970 Otis lift
2:16 I noticed two people walking backwards up the stairs.
As explained from 2:05 :)
Hi mister big q
The one thing I find wierd is in areas like that back then they didnt have the requirements for a door close button on the inside button panal even though the door close button was avalible back in the 70s when those were installed
I always wondered what U and D was for in these old Otis lifts. I remember the old lifts at Debenhams's (Hull) had it as well as NS, whatever that was.
They were used for controlling the lift manually when the lift is enabled into inspection control. The U and D buttons are obviously up and down. The NS button is for bypassing hall calls, hence it means "Non Stop".
@@idl3k_elev the U and D buttons in the car would have been part of attendant mode, to allow the attendant to change the direction of the car (I don’t entirely understand why this is a feature, but all sources of information i have available to me agree on that those buttons are for attendant mode)
Lifts/Elevators in the UK, from this time period, would only have inspection controls on the car top
Newer Lifts/Elevators may have up to 3 sets of inspection controls, but the shaft doors must be closed and locked in order for the inspection controls to operate
AMAZING ELEVATORS!!!!! Clearly from the 1950s
*1960s
I think that sign means August 13th, not August 2013. I don't know why anyone would have wrote the year. And considering this was fimed shortly after August 13th, I assume that's what it was.
My guess is their was a bell on the lanterns but dosent work and their is no parts for the bell
Found a hydraulic lift in a tube, looks pretty worn.
Rather late comment here, but I'm trying to find the video of the various lifts you mention at the end of this video. You say "check out the linkS below", but there's only the one link, for the tower explore. Is the video of the actual lifts available?
Hi, thanks very much for noticing that. There should now be some video links that come up at the end of the video.
and now in the description also
@@mrmattandmrchay No problem, thanks for the links! (I most definitely wouldn't have known which videos were the right ones)
Very interesting video, you know this one looks like old airport radio control centre department isn't. Excellent video though, wow! 😊👍
That's not too far from where I live!
excellent lifts.
Lol when you went back to see that they fixed one of them that time the escalator was broken that time that is really funny
Well you sure got there just in time because according to your new video of returning there after many years these have been replaced with cheap crappy buttons
5:57 What would happen if you pressed the ascend button? Would the doors have opened?
Can't believe I didn't try it, but I know the answer. Now, EXPRESS lifts - when you press UP, the lift arrives and it expects to go UP - if you press a lower floor, if there is a higher call it will always respect the direction it intends to travel. For OTIS, when you press UP, the lift will stop if it's going up, but if you are the last call, then the lift's UP AND DOWN arrows come on and there is no direction. Now it's the first button that you press that determines the direction. It's just how the relay logic system was designed.
So the answer to your question, one of the following: 1) The up button is disconnected and wont do anything, or 2) Press up button, the lift will come up, but then after it arrives it will up or down (but as the upper floors are locked off with a key, it won't go up anyway!) so you'll only be able to go down. Hope that makes sense.
Interesting Info. Thanks very much.
isnt it fun too ride in the same lift as Matt lol
Thats 2 vids I am waiting for now, the one from the 9 floors of terror, and this one, I CANT WAIT!! :-)))))
+Jonathan Cantliff I wish I had a full time job of video editing and got paid for it, then I'd be able to edit and upload them quicker haha! Right now I have to do the next Q&A else people will be waiting for their questions to be answered for a year at this rate!
+mrmattandmrchay how could I ask you an question on the q&a
+Shibehunter ZunKai (CetlicHunter) ?
+Tobias Dekker Feel free to ask anytime. Was hoping that I'd have to last Q&A up by now, then it's easier for me to answer here then it doesn't appear that you jumped the queue for the remaining people waiting for their "official Q&A" to be answered. But just ask me now, it's fine
+mrmattandmrchay what's your favourite platform lift
These are cool lifts. Is there any update as to whether they are going to be replaced?
I tried to travel past here the other day, but unfortunately these were another 20 miles north of where I was working.
As far as I know they are still there but I don't have any other info.
Richard Young Left lift has been modernised by Rubax Lifts.
Lift on left is modernised by Dubai lifts
if you see this, one of the lifts was working not too long ago, I'll explain better in Skype, my dad works at Moto Lancaster. and the tower is closed for asbestos.
+Nevexo (computercam) Hi, perhaps it was your dad that we met up with? :) It would have been great to see both lifts in working condition. My first visit, neither were working. You can hear in the background this old lady having trouble on the stairs coming down (with husband behind her) so wonder why they didn't start up the other lift if one was out of order.
We had a tour of the tower, see my next video coming soon or mrphill100 channel. Did you ever get to go into the tower?
+mrmattandmrchay asked my dad today, he was in the office when you where there. I haven't yet been up the tower. hopefully soon tough.
+Nevexo (computercam) --According the the listing report ( list.historicengland.org.uk/resultsingle.aspx?uid=1404607 )
"the tower restaurant was closed in 1989, partly as a result of the cost of meeting current fire escape regulations."
looking at the narrow, winding escape stair shown in mrphill100's video this is most definitely a large reason behind the closure. A single escape route is usually only valid for 60 customers (the restaurant could seat twice that), the escape stair was also not that well isolated from the rest of the building (if there was a fire at the base of the tower there would be no escape from the top.
As for asbestos, that is to be expected from a building of that age. The listing report states that "The wall faces are covered in corrugated asbestos sheeting" but there may be more used within the tower. Provided the asbestos is not disturbed there is minimal risk to customers and staff, however if it is in poor condition then an, expensive, removal or containment is required.
Due to the limited escape access if there was a demand to reopen the top floor (moving some of the facilities up there) it would be necessary to add another fire escape, possibly destroying the aesthetics of the building. The 1960s lifts would also go at this point. It may be possible to construct two escape stairs within the core of the tower if the lifts were moved and reduced in size (getting rid of the service lift and dumb waiters) with two new fire separated stairs constructed. The cheap ground level buildings could then be removed as their use was moved up the tower.
The tower is probably my only childhood memory of motorway services!
more info on it, and photos from when the tower was in use, at:www.freewebs.com/fortonservices/
+Mark H indeed! the tower was closed for fire escape reasons (dad told me lol) as everyone should know you DONT use a lift in an emergency, the only way down was the staircase. Asbestos is all around the building (in a safe amount) but the tower has too much.
Fantastic Video. Well Done.
+Michael A Scott Thanks! More to come soon!
Did you find out if the left lift has been left to rot?
+spinba11 I think I asked, but to be honest I cannot remember the reply! As it had an out of order sign (and a note saying 2013) I assumed that it had been out of order for some time (i.e. years), but some people are saying that they can run either lift, but choose to keep one going.
Why did you need to go home and arrange access up the tower? Surely you just pulled out your Otis key and used it inside the car to unlock those floor buttons??
For one, according to the maintenance guy, the key that fits into that keyswitch is unique and there is only one of them left (it's been there a long time!). And also I prefer to organise things properly, especially in a place like this.
@@mrmattandmrchay Fair enough! Thanks for replying. I've loved lifts for years and years so I was really pleased to find your channel. You guys have done much more interesting stuff than I have! :-)
WHY DIDN'T YOU PRESS U FOR UP WHEN YOU WERE AT ONE
Last few years the Left lifts have been turned off only the right hand ones ever work guessing just no need to run 2 lifts
+Transport Elevation (Elevators Since 2012) I was there in September 2013, and the left lift was in use. The right lift was sitting at the ground floor locked out of use. I guess they alternate between them so they wear as evenly as possible.
+antharro I wonder if the lift lift has been in use since then. Anyone?
+mrmattandmrchay i rode the right hand one in 2015 that one does work 100% it was probably just broken on the day you went
Were is Lancaster services
Lanchaster
Why doesn’t the hall up down lantern work
Lack of maintenance. Connection issue or more than likely needs a new bulb. Engineers dont really carry bulbs in the back of their van's as standard stock these days I guess and customer doesnt want to pay for an engr to replace all the bulbs that don't work.
left lift is out of order
oh no
are you a professionals person like a engirner or something like that about lifts?
+常清扬 I am an engineer but with Security Systems mainly Access Control (CCure9000, Lenel OnGuard, S2 netbox, Kantech and lots more). I'm the company trainer also.
0:00 I'm being really scared now 😰
What did you reset at 3:42?
That's the lift alarm 'memory flag'. So when you press the lift alarm bell, this flag stays in position so you can see which lift the alarm bell was activated from. Afterwards, the slider resets the 'flag'. Very basic 'lift alarm indicator panel' but once activated it doesn't need power for the flag to remain in position, and it's mostly mechanical.
@@mrmattandmrchay That's awesome; never seen that before. Thanks!
The left hand lift is used too, just not at the same time. See this picture, which shows the control panel illuminated with both left and right lift positions shown, and the hall lights lit for both up and down.
tinypic.com/r/14w3c5t/8
+antharro Wow nice, and the arrow lanterns are working! So, the left hand lift isn't out of operation then.
Late comment but it’s no longer available
Is that the Motorola place?
+Le Woof Motorola is a mobile phone company so dont think so
Oh yeah.. Something like that xD
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I mean rubax lifts
lol, I was wondering - "Dubai" lifts?! A long way for a company to travel!
In this video
I saw you in real life
cool, where was that?
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+Ilyas Mirza thanks :)
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probabley been scavenging the parts off the other lifts to keep one goin
That sounds like it’s a confusing dilemma