Depends on if you use it or not. Just like a boat or an RV, also depends on how handy you are. I have a boat and an RV and love them but I do have to work on them almost as much as I use them but to me that is part of it. I like working on stuff so its not a huge deal to me. I rather do this type of stuff then watch Netflix like most people seem to only like doing, at least most of the people I know.
@@mkeen1808. We moved to Florida in 2005. I told my husband we are NOT buying a home without a pool! We are in it every day. It’s such a luxury to enjoy it in the hot climate. Our guests who visit love the pool. The kids are in it all DAY!!! 😂
My Father put in a pool in 1979... In his newly constructed home... In Florida... It is still intact... With no major leaks... Too date... As the old saying goes... "They don't build things like they used to"...
We don't use lead paint, nor asbestoses glue of that era so much anymore, so we've done better. This problem here isn't skill in carpentry or construction - it's a concrete scam. One or more supplier of concrete sold what is likely a cheaper, alternate mix from what they normally use. May not have known about the flaw in the mix due to inadequate testing.
@@P2HTUSYPLead paint hasn’t been used in anything made in the US since pre-70s legislation. I know - my own mother was exquisitely aware of its danger and condemned it, especially in her classrooms as a Columbia-educated Manhattan Soho then Asbury Park (yes, Bruce and Stevie) Mother Earth-subscribing art teacher. And not all asbestos is carcinogenic or a problem. Rather, it’s the ignorant fear-mongering ‘sky-is-falling’ mentality that’s villainized anything with the same name. The same ignorance is why our roads are so bad anymore. From underlayment to markings, the ‘environmentally-friendly’ material substitutions don’t last, destroy vehicle undercarriages, and necessitate total rebuilding every couple of years. “Progressive” isn’t progress.
Pools from the 70s had their problems, typically no coping tiles, single flat drain, diving boards etc. There are lots of reasons a pool will last or may not. Storm damage, abuse, neglect, seismic activity on and on. Two exact pools built next door to each other, one could easily outlast the other depending on what I mentioned.
And they charge as much to install a pool as the cost of some entire houses! So many contractors are such crooks it makes you not even want to bother with ANY of them.
New Homebuyer: Did you know my pool was damaged when you sold me the home? Realtor: Yeah we knew it was f'ed but our industry groups and regulators didn't tell us we HAD to tell you and I wanted that commission so...
@@arribaficationwineho32 Yeah you are correct but I think the buyer did say he had an inspector come out but they didn't inspect the pool & unfortunately the guy didn't find out until after he bought the home & it was too late. Some might speculate that the realtors & inspectors must be working together but I don't really see what inspectors would get out of lying on an inspection which is a crime. Probably just incompetency honestly. On the other hand it could be possible that in some states they may not require an inspection of pools to be included in home inspections although it wouldn't be crazy to assume that it include all structures on a property but I feel like that would also be up to the buyer to ask them what they specifically inspected because that's something I would do but that's only because I don't blindly trust someone just because they're a professional since anyone can be in a professional field field & still be lazy or make huge mistakes.
As a pool tech myself, you really should have someone inspect a pool before you buy a home. Get them to inspect the pump, the piping, the pool surface, check for leaks, and survey the surrounding area (Screened pools are the best). I'm not even joking, some of my customers are stuck in money traps they can't afford, and probably never will be able to. Pools are not cheap, and they will ALWAYS have problems unless properly maintained, which is also very expensive.
@@LilBrownieDno, he said he had the home inspected but not the pool = which means he had a home inspector not a pool inspector. For $250 it's unreal that he failed to hire a pool inspector. This is on him.
I cant tell if you guys have brain rot or what. But the homeowner explicitly said that they got an inspection done for the pool. @1:45@@PalmBeachFlorida24
Any house from any time period can be fine or it can be a money pit, that's why you should always get it inspected by a seasoned Home Inspector because if you don't inspect, don't expect! When you call to book the inspection, don't ask about the price, ask about their experience and why you should use them over anyone else because the price is always the first question I get, every single time. Once you hear about their qualifications then talk price.... Your welcome.
@@jstar1000 you don’t know Texas obviously. In Texas homes inspectors, builders and city inspectors and insurance companies to push for closing with barely oversight. Main thing in Texas is make sure you have THIRD PARTY inspector who has records of standing up to other parties on inspection reports
Unfortunately, this is outside of the control of the pool company. They don’t make the concrete. The concrete mafia has complete control over the industry and they rely on government environmental regulations to prevent competition. Concrete batch operators have been manipulating batch mixes to reduce cost for years and this is one of the many results.
When I bought my very first house. Because of the pool in the back of the house. The house was sold as is.. I didn’t know this at the time. But a pool actually decreases the value of a house. As great as it is to have a pool. It’s the biggest liability for the house. And I already knew that they were very, very expensive to deal with. And that’s only because I went to look at a house with a pool. And the pool was filled in with dirt. And the realtor was confused because the listing had a pool. Anyway, we walked away. Only to find out days later. The realtor called me and said the pool was cracked and had to be removed to be repaired. The owner choose to just fill it full of dirt. And make the backyard normal. So I learned a whole lot of little things.
At least in MA, you cannot just fill your pool in with dirt. “All pool materials, including concrete, fiberglass, and liner, must be removed to a state-approved facility” prior to filling the area with soil.
One of my neighbors removed all of the surface concrete, dumped it in the pool, then filled it with dirt. They said it brought their insurance down dramatically, eliminated the pool maintenance cost, and now they have a back yard. They did say that their lawn maintenance cost went up slightly due to having more grass to maintain but it was a fraction of the pool maintenance cost.
@@chazw3xwouldn’t it fill with water if it has no drainage in heavy rains? You have to remove all concrete especially the bottom to get the rain water absorbed by the ground. I am not an expert but guessing that what needs to happen.
@@sunheri189 Use your brain! You don't have to remove it. You only need to break it up enough. If you remove it, you are left with a big hole, and a lot of concrete that you need to dispose of. Concrete disposal costs money, if you have it hauled away. So does buying dirt to fill the big hole. If you dispose of the concrete yourself, by putting it in the hole, then covering it with dirt, you eliminate the disposal costs and decrease the amount of dirt you need to purchase, to fill the hole.
@@app103 well leaving all that concrete for the next guy who digs there is unthinkable. Yes costs money. But have to do the job properly. I rent those huge trailers for disposing trash while working on my house. I say you have to remove the concrete, fill it with dirt. Make sure you pack it well before planting sod. Leaving concrete in the ground is unthinkable for me.
How can a news station introduce a story about “concrete cancer” and do nothing more than identify its initialism (“ASR”)? Not even 20 seconds spent to clarify what is the origin of the ASR within the source materials or aggregating processes?
@@Brad_Huff no, genius- I guess I didn’t. Does the ASR come from the source rock itself, or contaminants from the extraction, or from additives during the manufacturing process, or from contaminants during manufacturing process?
Never buy a new house, never buy from investment groups, never rent from investment groups, never buy in HOA neighborhoods. They are all greedy, cheap , and never have quality work done.
@@nesq4104 I researched ASR a bit but could not find any definitive resolution to this. They have known about this problem since the 1940s. Damage is not always visible either, sometimes taking decades for damage to occur. Concrete structures near water will deteriorate much faster. Even maintenance and repair of concrete is still subject to the reaction. Concrete structure near water deteriorate much faster.
That was the cost of the pool demo plus installation of new landscaping. Landscaping jobs are insanely expensive. It is hard work, but man, I've seen people spend $20k and up on getting an average sized yard done. And on top of that, the landscaping companies pay the workers who actually do the installs peanuts.
So, all those pool builders and concrete contractors are blaming just “a few concrete companies & quarries”…and yet KVUE refuses to name those raw material source providers? Why…?
Let's look at the focus and purpose of the story. This is not exactly an investigative piece on collusion though it does make a strong case for more information needed This appears to be more of a soft piece on consumer awareness. It certainly does arouse an interest in and a need for further research and reporting.
wow, that's devastating. So the builders are purposely doing poor workmanship? We have had so many problems when skilled craftsmen retired 15 to 20 years ago and no young people bothered to learn from them to carry on the history of quality work.
My husband will agree with you. He’s still working and he deals first hand that the majority of the younger craftsmen that his company hires don’t have the proper skills training. He asked his supervisor why have been & continue to give me these guys that don’t know what they are doing. Because of your experience & your attitude. You have the most patience in training them & they respond better to you. My husband said I want them to learn how to do the job right. I don’t want them getting hurt or others hurt.
My experience with the youth is that they hate being taught how to do it right and hate being told they are doing it wrong. They just want to be “left alone so they can figure it out,” on their own.
I can bet a lot of sellers are completely unaware... Just like actual cancer, they can just show no symptom. I wonder if there's a way to convert the pool to vinyl over the concrete walls. If it's not currently a solution, it should become one. At least you'll have a pool even though it might not be aesthetically pleasing as concrete. Honestly, it can be an business opportunity if a company can figure it out.
Massachusetts has a similar issue except its with the home's FOUNDATOINS. Literally they are crumbling beneath the homes because the concrete mixture contained pyrrhotite and doesn't react well to oxygen and moisture. And homes in MA are insanely expensive too. Time to build new houses? Lol no they won't, to keep the prices of homes high.
lol when something like this pops up in a real estate transaction, you're smart to just shut up and let the lawyers do the talking. Especially when the media get involved. I'm guessing you're one of those types that think pleading the 5th implies guilt.
We HAVE to disclose such things in Arkansas or buyers can take a couple courses of action - Some agents don't or WON'T do their research. I'm not getting sued over some bullsh*t! Treat people how you'd want to be treated. WHY is this so hard to do for people?
how could this only affect pools? do they get a different supply than other concrete jobs? so do buildings newer than 2017 in the area have suspect foundations too I wonder
He failed to hire a pool inspector. It's on him. I always hire a pool inspector, whose separate from a home inspector. $250 bucks and saves tens of thousands in future problems.
He said he had the home inspected and the inspector didn't say anything about the pool. A pool inspection is a separate inspection and fee, did he pay for a pool inspection? Sounds like he didn't because if he did the inspector would have said things, even if the pool is fine you still put pictures of the pool and equipment and info about the pool in the report, you check a box that says inspected or not inspected and comment about what type if filter it has and other basic info. Sounds like he didn't get or pay for a pool inspection. Also if it wasn't showing signs of cracks at that time an inspector can not predict the future any better then he can. A pool is a hole in the ground you throw money into, nothing to see here.
@@DaveP-uv1ml I couldn't agree more but who puts a contract on a house without knowing it has a pool? That is all worked out at the initial phone conversation when booking the inspection. When a client calls to book, the listing is pulled up on the computer so the person scheduling can see what all the property has, pool, sprinkler, outbuildings on and on so again, the pool wouldn't be a surprise the inspector stumbled onto during the inspection, its in the listing so he either ordered a pool inspection, got his own or declined it, or, the inspector may not offer pool inspections, not all do. Sounds like your not in the real estate field of work or else you would know all this.
In 2000 I bought a house with smilar situation in the foundation,no disclosures,the real estate agents in both sides claimed the seller moved out US, the inspector did not mentioned and I learned this is common practice in here.
Check this out. After the pool was installed and left empty the contractor did not remove the drain plug from the bottom. Now you have a concrete boat and it floated right out of the ground taking the patio surround with it. The owner let the contractor off the hook with a liner. Still their and usable but still higher then its original placement. Actually the pools shown looked well maintained.
That’s not how you build a pool in other locations. Where’s the plaster or pebble pool finish that usually seals the pool? The outer layer is the gunnite. An all concrete pool is the problem.
Home Inspections do not include pools unless specifically contracted for... as well, nothing below the waterline is included in a pool inspection,, as a courtesy, calcium and cracks that can be observed will be disclosed and deferred to a pool specialist which most people will not follow through with.
@@MiteshDamania If the report is forwarded to the property owner then yes, it's black and white... as for the client / buyer it's pretty clear to them but the bigger issue is most pools have so many issues that a pool specialist is needed immediately in almost every case.
Always get inspection don’t waive any inspection. Pls! Looks like someone needs to get ready the checkbooks and write a solid check to homeowner for material damages.
as a residential pool technician here, I can confirm pools are a money trap. There's ALWAYS a problem. Pumps, leaks, pipes, algae, surfaces, cracks, salt cell, trees!! The list is endless!!!!
It is not the job of real estate agents to give opinions or guidance on construction related defects. The home inspectors carry insurance for this kind of thing.
The homeowner was scammed and didn’t ask enough questions. First, why didn’t the realtor suggest the pool to be inspected. Why didn’t the inspector skip the pool. Why was the previous owner able to sale.
The name of this "Diagnosis" really needs to be changed. Cancer in general is a devestating condition that takes th lives of millions per year, this story is about companies supplying poor concrete mixtures that weaken quickly upon use/setup, resultig in FAILURE of a structure. People should not only be concerned about their pools, but also the foundations to their homes, highways, roadways, walls, and anywhere else concrete is ued. I can not believe a company would sell inferior products like this, which could have deadly end results from the built structure failing. Imagine driving down the highway and all of a sudden the supporting pilllars just collapse? The basement of a home likewise fails with the house above slowly or quickly collapsing as the owners sleep? Foundation of a high rise crumbles leaving the building structurally unsound and under imminent collapse. This has happened too many times across the country from these concrete and steel companies looking to save money to the detriment of the purchaser of their products... an how easily they claim bankruptcy or just bail on the company, leaving in this case, homeowners stuck without much recourse...
Are the pools here shown with the liners removed or did they not have liners? I've never seen a pool here without one. Maybe some sort of rubberized or something (to allow for expansion and regression depending on temps) could be sprayed on the walls and floor, and then a pool liner installed so the pool is useable again? Unless the fear is the whole thing just collapses? Im not sure how the pressure, from the water would affect the structural intergity. If it would put massive strain on the walls, even if they are covered and then a liner put in.
Concrete cancer is not a loss of value. The use of concrete that is naturally prone to cracking due to numerous adverse events is the problem. Concrete cancer affects all types of building projects. It’s just a known fact in the industry that nobody wants to admit the possibility of having it show up later. If you want a pool that is safe from cracking with concrete cancer, install a heavy gauge pool liner.
This is a major problem in the area and you think I’d say simple naturally occurring problem not a major mixing defect in that area. And you have a simple fix for it. Offer Your services you can be rich
I need you to explain to me how a heavy duty liner would prevent concrete from cracking? No bear in mind, but I’ve been in construction business since I was 16 years old. Almost 50… I know every phase of building and I can’t for the life of me figure out how a heavy duty liner would prevent cracking?
@@williamrose7184 I believe his theory is that if you put a liner in there, then the water can’t leak out through the cracked concrete. Obviously, many pools are designed to work with a liner. I’m assuming that isn’t an option otherwise that’s what they would be doing
@@tita1170 I'm pretty aware that if you live in a peer and beam house and don't have a pool all you gotta worry about is jacking that bad boy up, keeping it roofed and fires. The more simple you live the less problems you have. Also that Walmart plastic pool is like 400 bucks lol
Concrete cancer?? Never heard of that. I have heard of incorrectly mixed components of concrete as well as inferior quality ingredients. Never had problems with reputable concrete suppliers. Concrete companies and pool builder go bankrupt and reopen under a new name.
A new layer on top of it won't bind. You'll just have a wall of concrete not attached to the concrete behind it..... especially when you add thousands of pounds of water. All the concrete needs to be cured at the same time
@@YouMakeItHappen Exactly. Cody built my pool here in Houston, but that was 2015. I had to water the walls and bottom of my pool while it was empty on a daily basis so that it would cure properly. After it was filled, I had to brush the walls on a daily basis for a period of time.
imagine that, everyone pointing fingers at everyone else. Buying a house with a pool is a fool's money story. Like a boat, a pool is nothing but a hole you throw money into. But I have a bigger question. If the concrete providers are the ultimate source of the problem, isn't it also likely that such problems might be found in foundations/structural work of homes built in the same period?
You PUMPED the ground water, and the oil like tomorrow never comes, and now you're wondering why the land is settling. Whats your foundation looking like ? Hope they pored it at a way lower slump then the pool.
Unfortunately, pools in general are a lousy investment.
In west Texas my daughter's vintage pool is a blessing.....It was a huge selling point when she bought the house 15 years ago.
Mine is fine as long as I maintain it. its also not bear concrete. It has epoxy sand coat over it.
Depends on if you use it or not. Just like a boat or an RV, also depends on how handy you are. I have a boat and an RV and love them but I do have to work on them almost as much as I use them but to me that is part of it. I like working on stuff so its not a huge deal to me. I rather do this type of stuff then watch Netflix like most people seem to only like doing, at least most of the people I know.
No! We are in our pool everyday here in Florida. We LOVE the water. Cocktails, snacks, music.
@@mkeen1808. We moved to Florida in 2005. I told my husband we are NOT buying a home without a pool! We are in it every day. It’s such a luxury to enjoy it in the hot climate. Our guests who visit love the pool. The kids are in it all DAY!!! 😂
My Father put in a pool in 1979... In his newly constructed home... In Florida... It is still intact... With no major leaks... Too date...
As the old saying goes... "They don't build things like they used to"...
We don't use lead paint, nor asbestoses glue of that era so much anymore, so we've done better.
This problem here isn't skill in carpentry or construction - it's a concrete scam.
One or more supplier of concrete sold what is likely a cheaper, alternate mix from what they normally use.
May not have known about the flaw in the mix due to inadequate testing.
I've had a pool since 1999. No problems.
@@P2HTUSYPLead paint hasn’t been used in anything made in the US since pre-70s legislation. I know - my own mother was exquisitely aware of its danger and condemned it, especially in her classrooms as a Columbia-educated Manhattan Soho then Asbury Park (yes, Bruce and Stevie) Mother Earth-subscribing art teacher. And not all asbestos is carcinogenic or a problem. Rather, it’s the ignorant fear-mongering ‘sky-is-falling’ mentality that’s villainized anything with the same name.
The same ignorance is why our roads are so bad anymore. From underlayment to markings, the ‘environmentally-friendly’ material substitutions don’t last, destroy vehicle undercarriages, and necessitate total rebuilding every couple of years. “Progressive” isn’t progress.
I am from 1979. I totally agree 💯 everything nowadays is disposable and expensive.
Pools from the 70s had their problems, typically no coping tiles, single flat drain, diving boards etc. There are lots of reasons a pool will last or may not. Storm damage, abuse, neglect, seismic activity on and on. Two exact pools built next door to each other, one could easily outlast the other depending on what I mentioned.
If anybody is responsible for an improper concrete mix or junk concrete, it’s the concrete company that supplied it.
Mafia runs the concrete industry.
And they charge as much to install a pool as the cost of some entire houses! So many contractors are such crooks it makes you not even want to bother with ANY of them.
Yes, and that’s why they are declaring bankruptcy, which means thousands of homeowners are up a pool without a paddle.
New Homebuyer: Did you know my pool was damaged when you sold me the home?
Realtor: Yeah we knew it was f'ed but our industry groups and regulators didn't tell us we HAD to tell you and I wanted that commission so...
Up to buyer to get a home inspection before buying
@@arribaficationwineho32 Yeah you are correct but I think the buyer did say he had an inspector come out but they didn't inspect the pool & unfortunately the guy didn't find out until after he bought the home & it was too late. Some might speculate that the realtors & inspectors must be working together but I don't really see what inspectors would get out of lying on an inspection which is a crime. Probably just incompetency honestly.
On the other hand it could be possible that in some states they may not require an inspection of pools to be included in home inspections although it wouldn't be crazy to assume that it include all structures on a property but I feel like that would also be up to the buyer to ask them what they specifically inspected because that's something I would do but that's only because I don't blindly trust someone just because they're a professional since anyone can be in a professional field field & still be lazy or make huge mistakes.
@sango_wango851 The government wants higher price homes, so it can collect more in taxes.
@@arribaficationwineho32Known defects that are not visible to inspectors are required to be disclosed to the buyer.
@@arribaficationwineho32 You failed to hear the part he got an inspection, but nothing mentioned of the pool.
As a pool tech myself, you really should have someone inspect a pool before you buy a home. Get them to inspect the pump, the piping, the pool surface, check for leaks, and survey the surrounding area (Screened pools are the best). I'm not even joking, some of my customers are stuck in money traps they can't afford, and probably never will be able to. Pools are not cheap, and they will ALWAYS have problems unless properly maintained, which is also very expensive.
And he said someone did inspect the pool, this issue is rough
Exactially. It's on him.
@@LilBrownieDno, he said he had the home inspected but not the pool = which means he had a home inspector not a pool inspector. For $250 it's unreal that he failed to hire a pool inspector. This is on him.
@@PalmBeachFlorida24 And yet for decades all you needed was one inspector to check everything. Now each item needs a specialist
I cant tell if you guys have brain rot or what. But the homeowner explicitly said that they got an inspection done for the pool. @1:45@@PalmBeachFlorida24
All I know is that the frog is enjoying the pool and that makes me happy.
He is so darn cute❤️
Not if it's chlorinated; it will desperately want out from it burning its skin.
If you buy a new construction house that's 1-5 years old in Texas, beware....
Any house from any time period can be fine or it can be a money pit, that's why you should always get it inspected by a seasoned Home Inspector because if you don't inspect, don't expect! When you call to book the inspection, don't ask about the price, ask about their experience and why you should use them over anyone else because the price is always the first question I get, every single time. Once you hear about their qualifications then talk price.... Your welcome.
@@jstar1000 you don’t know Texas obviously. In Texas homes inspectors, builders and city inspectors and insurance companies to push for closing with barely oversight. Main thing in Texas is make sure you have THIRD PARTY inspector who has records of standing up to other parties on inspection reports
@@drew6167 I've been a full time licensed Professional Home Inspector in Texas for 23 years. I probably know more then you think.
@@jstar1000 I can almost tell which type of inspector you are. Then you know the schemes better than me
Unfortunately this highlights the lack of morals and scruples in the pool industry, realtors and former owners. Everyone involved shares in the blame.
Especially the concrete industry who made the defective concrete
@RoadieWingZZ Early stage communism.
including the buyer for lack of due dilligence.
Unfortunately, this is outside of the control of the pool company. They don’t make the concrete. The concrete mafia has complete control over the industry and they rely on government environmental regulations to prevent competition. Concrete batch operators have been manipulating batch mixes to reduce cost for years and this is one of the many results.
@user-zu5do6ri6r Greed and unchecked capitalism leads to communism? Please elaborate this for me.
When I bought my very first house. Because of the pool in the back of the house. The house was sold as is.. I didn’t know this at the time. But a pool actually decreases the value of a house. As great as it is to have a pool. It’s the biggest liability for the house. And I already knew that they were very, very expensive to deal with. And that’s only because I went to look at a house with a pool. And the pool was filled in with dirt. And the realtor was confused because the listing had a pool. Anyway, we walked away. Only to find out days later. The realtor called me and said the pool was cracked and had to be removed to be repaired. The owner choose to just fill it full of dirt. And make the backyard normal. So I learned a whole lot of little things.
Wow interesting...
Not in Florida!! Pools increase the value.
At least in MA, you cannot just fill your pool in with dirt. “All pool materials, including concrete, fiberglass, and liner, must be removed to a state-approved facility” prior to filling the area with soil.
@@majortom7038 wow.
@@PalmBeachFlorida24 I bet.
Use a pond liner?! Maybe a cheaper fix, turn it into a freshwater, recirculating pond, it’ll help the local wildlife
I like how you think. 😎
One of my neighbors removed all of the surface concrete, dumped it in the pool, then filled it with dirt. They said it brought their insurance down dramatically, eliminated the pool maintenance cost, and now they have a back yard. They did say that their lawn maintenance cost went up slightly due to having more grass to maintain but it was a fraction of the pool maintenance cost.
@@chazw3xwouldn’t it fill with water if it has no drainage in heavy rains? You have to remove all concrete especially the bottom to get the rain water absorbed by the ground. I am not an expert but guessing that what needs to happen.
@@sunheri189 Use your brain! You don't have to remove it. You only need to break it up enough. If you remove it, you are left with a big hole, and a lot of concrete that you need to dispose of. Concrete disposal costs money, if you have it hauled away. So does buying dirt to fill the big hole. If you dispose of the concrete yourself, by putting it in the hole, then covering it with dirt, you eliminate the disposal costs and decrease the amount of dirt you need to purchase, to fill the hole.
@@app103 well leaving all that concrete for the next guy who digs there is unthinkable. Yes costs money. But have to do the job properly. I rent those huge trailers for disposing trash while working on my house. I say you have to remove the concrete, fill it with dirt. Make sure you pack it well before planting sod. Leaving concrete in the ground is unthinkable for me.
How can a news station introduce a story about “concrete cancer” and do nothing more than identify its initialism (“ASR”)? Not even 20 seconds spent to clarify what is the origin of the ASR within the source materials or aggregating processes?
This is an old story at this point. (at least a year) Perhaps they already covered this.
It's called google. You need everything spoonfed to you like an infant?
You didn’t understand the report? WOW! 😂😆😆😆😂
They inform the public. That's what this is about.
@@Brad_Huff no, genius- I guess I didn’t. Does the ASR come from the source rock itself, or contaminants from the extraction, or from additives during the manufacturing process, or from contaminants during manufacturing process?
Never buy a new house, never buy from investment groups, never rent from investment groups, never buy in HOA neighborhoods. They are all greedy, cheap , and never have quality work done.
Easier said than done
I hope this concrete wasn't 't used in buildings or highways.
It's actually a major headache in highway bridges.
Tunnels
They only used it in South Florida condos apparently
@@nesq4104 I researched ASR a bit but could not find any definitive resolution to this. They have known about this problem since the 1940s. Damage is not always visible either, sometimes taking decades for damage to occur. Concrete structures near water will deteriorate much faster. Even maintenance and repair of concrete is still subject to the reaction. Concrete structure near water deteriorate much faster.
No one apparently watched the infomercial for flex seal
$12 a can…..ADDS UP!!!!!
I just made the same comment! 😅
@@mgautier88 🤣🤣🤣
Hahahahaha!
"duck" tape to the rescue, again!
I work for a Demolition company it doesn't cost 40k to remove a pool. It cost 6k-10k depending on the size and difficulty.
I'm guessing the total quoted was to demolish and then build a new one?
@@katherinelangford981 Thry need to add rebar bent in the shape of pool edges. It will last forever
@ChosenOne6666 I'd imagine a pool liner would help too. I've never seen a pool that didn't have one.
@@katherinelangford981 It will break the liner eventually
That was the cost of the pool demo plus installation of new landscaping. Landscaping jobs are insanely expensive. It is hard work, but man, I've seen people spend $20k and up on getting an average sized yard done. And on top of that, the landscaping companies pay the workers who actually do the installs peanuts.
So, all those pool builders and concrete contractors are blaming just “a few concrete companies & quarries”…and yet KVUE refuses to name those raw material source providers? Why…?
Because they don't want to get sued. Their only proof is claims made by the installers.
Let's look at the focus and purpose of the story. This is not exactly an investigative piece on collusion though it does make a strong case for more information needed
This appears to be more of a soft piece on consumer awareness.
It certainly does arouse an interest in and a need for further research and reporting.
Substandard products. Not installer
Demacrats banned flyash, a necessary ingredient. It's just not pools failing.
Liability.
Don't buy a house with pool!
wow, that's devastating. So the builders are purposely doing poor workmanship? We have had so many problems when skilled craftsmen retired 15 to 20 years ago and no young people bothered to learn from them to carry on the history of quality work.
My husband will agree with you. He’s still working and he deals first hand that the majority of the younger craftsmen that his company hires don’t have the proper skills training. He asked his supervisor why have been & continue to give me these guys that don’t know what they are doing. Because of your experience & your attitude. You have the most patience in training them & they respond better to you. My husband said I want them to learn how to do the job right. I don’t want them getting hurt or others hurt.
@@DaveP-uv1ml or not.
My experience with the youth is that they hate being taught how to do it right and hate being told they are doing it wrong. They just want to be “left alone so they can figure it out,” on their own.
Roman concrete is still around
I can bet a lot of sellers are completely unaware... Just like actual cancer, they can just show no symptom. I wonder if there's a way to convert the pool to vinyl over the concrete walls. If it's not currently a solution, it should become one. At least you'll have a pool even though it might not be aesthetically pleasing as concrete. Honestly, it can be an business opportunity if a company can figure it out.
pool liners are a viable option. PVC can be made in colored sheets, this could be a thing.
Does the pool have to be removed to landscape ? Can’t the pool be filled with soil and planted ?
Our neighbor filled in his pool then poured concrete patio over it.
@@jenette16good idea
$40k to "remove" the pool and landscape? Is it the landscapers turn to scam now?
In Florida, people fill them with dirt when the repairs become too expensive.
or just have a rubber liner installed?
Massachusetts has a similar issue except its with the home's FOUNDATOINS. Literally they are crumbling beneath the homes because the concrete mixture contained pyrrhotite and doesn't react well to oxygen and moisture. And homes in MA are insanely expensive too. Time to build new houses? Lol no they won't, to keep the prices of homes high.
The previous homeowners definitely knew
false..... stop spreading lies
lol when something like this pops up in a real estate transaction, you're smart to just shut up and let the lawyers do the talking. Especially when the media get involved. I'm guessing you're one of those types that think pleading the 5th implies guilt.
@@markdsm-5157 Did you take your meds?
@@markdsm-5157 Did you take your psych meds?
@@markdsm-5157 psych meds are fundamental
Buy your kids skateboards and helmets and turn the pool into a skate park.
Everything is shady in Texas!!!
We HAVE to disclose such things in Arkansas or buyers can take a couple courses of action - Some agents don't or WON'T do their research. I'm not getting sued over some bullsh*t! Treat people how you'd want to be treated. WHY is this so hard to do for people?
Put a pond liner
coming from a pool technician here, I promise you its not that simple lol
@@CJ_222 is not simple I know but it is possible and affordable
@@CJ_222coming from someone who did just that, works perfectly fine 25 years later
how could this only affect pools? do they get a different supply than other concrete jobs? so do buildings newer than 2017 in the area have suspect foundations too I wonder
He failed to hire a pool inspector. It's on him. I always hire a pool inspector, whose separate from a home inspector. $250 bucks and saves tens of thousands in future problems.
He said he had the home inspected and the inspector didn't say anything about the pool. A pool inspection is a separate inspection and fee, did he pay for a pool inspection? Sounds like he didn't because if he did the inspector would have said things, even if the pool is fine you still put pictures of the pool and equipment and info about the pool in the report, you check a box that says inspected or not inspected and comment about what type if filter it has and other basic info. Sounds like he didn't get or pay for a pool inspection. Also if it wasn't showing signs of cracks at that time an inspector can not predict the future any better then he can. A pool is a hole in the ground you throw money into, nothing to see here.
@@DaveP-uv1ml I couldn't agree more but who puts a contract on a house without knowing it has a pool? That is all worked out at the initial phone conversation when booking the inspection. When a client calls to book, the listing is pulled up on the computer so the person scheduling can see what all the property has, pool, sprinkler, outbuildings on and on so again, the pool wouldn't be a surprise the inspector stumbled onto during the inspection, its in the listing so he either ordered a pool inspection, got his own or declined it, or, the inspector may not offer pool inspections, not all do. Sounds like your not in the real estate field of work or else you would know all this.
Calling this cancer is kinda gross yeah? Silly?
In 2000 I bought a house with smilar situation in the foundation,no disclosures,the real estate agents in both sides claimed the seller moved out US, the inspector did not mentioned and I learned this is common practice in here.
Weird how this kind of thing doesn't happen in states that actually bother to have effective regulations
Red states think regulations are “the deep state.” They would rather its citizens get victimized.
You must mean like in fully-regulated California where entire houses are falling into the ocean and sliding down into ravines.
Check this out. After the pool was installed and left empty the contractor did not remove the drain plug from the bottom. Now you have a concrete boat and it floated right out of the ground taking the patio surround with it. The owner let the contractor off the hook with a liner. Still their and usable but still higher then its original placement. Actually the pools shown looked well maintained.
That’s not how you build a pool in other locations. Where’s the plaster or pebble pool finish that usually seals the pool? The outer layer is the gunnite. An all concrete pool is the problem.
What about the foundations of the homes, built with this concrete!
What else was that faulty concrete used for?
Yeah, this is a MUCH bigger story.
Okay, so the concrete does not cause cancer, bad name for faulty concrete!😳
Concrete cancer is a known phenomenon.
Home Inspections do not include pools unless specifically contracted for... as well, nothing below the waterline is included in a pool inspection,, as a courtesy, calcium and cracks that can be observed will be disclosed and deferred to a pool specialist which most people will not follow through with.
Is the exclusion reported to the owner in easy to understand english?
@@MiteshDamania If the report is forwarded to the property owner then yes, it's black and white... as for the client / buyer it's pretty clear to them but the bigger issue is most pools have so many issues that a pool specialist is needed immediately in almost every case.
Sue the previous owners! As a pool builder I can guarantee they knew!
Pool construction companies go out of business all the time. You can't rely on the builder's warranty.
Put a liner in the pool.
At the end of this an add pooped up for Cody Pools on Dale Mabry in Tampa ....... that was weird.
Best way to get a house with a pool is to buy a house without a pool and have a reputable company install new one.
Always get inspection don’t waive any inspection. Pls!
Looks like someone needs to get ready the checkbooks and write a solid check to homeowner for material damages.
My pool is from the 70s have had no issues with it
Just replastered it
Those people that did that pool didn’t use shotcrete
Pools are nasty. Chemicals, bugs, excrement. No wonder the concrete gets cancer.
You can sue all 3 I would think. The concrete company, the pool company and the real estate company but I’m not a lawyer. 😮
Having a pool is a huge hemorrhoid no matter what. Quit being dumb with your money and buying houses with pools. They are a ridiculous waste of money.
That’s what I was thinking. But this falls in the category of gotta have that “dream home“.
as a residential pool technician here, I can confirm pools are a money trap. There's ALWAYS a problem. Pumps, leaks, pipes, algae, surfaces, cracks, salt cell, trees!! The list is endless!!!!
Couldn't the grind out the cracks neutralize the problem them seal. Use a vinyl liner over it so no more water hits it.
It is not the job of real estate agents to give opinions or guidance on construction related defects. The home inspectors carry insurance for this kind of thing.
Cody Pools needs to change their sign to read #1 Faulty Pool Builder in the Nation.
That’s why I am afraid to buy a new home with plenty of unknowns.
The homeowner was scammed and didn’t ask enough questions. First, why didn’t the realtor suggest the pool to be inspected. Why didn’t the inspector skip the pool. Why was the previous owner able to sale.
You need concrete Chemo🫤
Vastly underrated comment. 😀
what happens if houses where built w that concrete ?
He wasn't laughing at his situation. Anyone would laugh at a silly frog.
Should be the contractor who should be paying for this
Those poor pools! Im so devastated 😐😑😶🙄😣😥😮😪😫😒😓😔😕☹🙁😖😞😟😤😢😭😦😧😨😩🤯😬😵🥺👻
Laughts in above swimming pool
Laughs in broke *** lol 😂
Start filing some E&O claims and the board of realtors will let their members know.
Result of cheap labor and 3rd workd contractors. Notorious for billing for the correct materials and then substituting with cheaper products.
Contaminated concrete? Epoxy can fix just about anything so I'm surprised it can't fix this.
The name of this "Diagnosis" really needs to be changed.
Cancer in general is a devestating condition that takes th lives of millions per year, this story is about companies supplying poor concrete mixtures that weaken quickly upon use/setup, resultig in FAILURE of a structure.
People should not only be concerned about their pools, but also the foundations to their homes, highways, roadways, walls, and anywhere else concrete is ued. I can not believe a company would sell inferior products like this, which could have deadly end results from the built structure failing.
Imagine driving down the highway and all of a sudden the supporting pilllars just collapse?
The basement of a home likewise fails with the house above slowly or quickly collapsing as the owners sleep? Foundation of a high rise crumbles leaving the building structurally unsound and under imminent collapse.
This has happened too many times across the country from these concrete and steel companies looking to save money to the detriment of the purchaser of their products... an how easily they claim bankruptcy or just bail on the company, leaving in this case, homeowners stuck without much recourse...
Install a sprinkler system and just make the 'pool' your outdoor party shower.
Are the pools here shown with the liners removed or did they not have liners? I've never seen a pool here without one. Maybe some sort of rubberized or something (to allow for expansion and regression depending on temps) could be sprayed on the walls and floor, and then a pool liner installed so the pool is useable again?
Unless the fear is the whole thing just collapses? Im not sure how the pressure, from the water would affect the structural intergity. If it would put massive strain on the walls, even if they are covered and then a liner put in.
The solution is installing a pool liner. Prep the concrete and put in a liner. Replace every 10 years. Easy peasy.
Pools? Try foundations on all these new track row houses.
My pool built in 18' is doing fine. Swim in it through put the day. Solar panels keep it about 90°+.😊
Sorry, but homes with pools are not wanted by most people. Therefore, homes with pools cost less.
It depends on what State I guess.
Concrete cancer is not a loss of value. The use of concrete that is naturally prone to cracking due to numerous adverse events is the problem. Concrete cancer affects all types of building projects. It’s just a known fact in the industry that nobody wants to admit the possibility of having it show up later. If you want a pool that is safe from cracking with concrete cancer, install a heavy gauge pool liner.
Fiberglass pool
This is a major problem in the area and you think I’d say simple naturally occurring problem not a major mixing defect in that area. And you have a simple fix for it.
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I need you to explain to me how a heavy duty liner would prevent concrete from cracking? No bear in mind, but I’ve been in construction business since I was 16 years old. Almost 50… I know every phase of building and I can’t for the life of me figure out how a heavy duty liner would prevent cracking?
@@williamrose7184
I believe his theory is that if you put a liner in there, then the water can’t leak out through the cracked concrete.
Obviously, many pools are designed to work with a liner.
I’m assuming that isn’t an option otherwise that’s what they would be doing
@@neilkurzman4907 but these type of pools don’t have liners. But I understand what he’s trying to say.
Seller is not responsible - it's your home - and problem, now.
Whoever makes a defective product should be responsible.
I don't see how the prior owners would be responsible. You think they paid for a defective pool to trick you? They got scammed too.
Never buy pools
Oh boy! Call Every State and Local Representatives! Jump! Not only Disclosure but the Quarries!
Dont buy a house with an in ground pool. Bam problem solved.
This is Texas. People didn't know.
My pool is just fine! Built in 2013. Texas heat is no joke.
I also pay for home owners insurance. Which you add your pool to.
You are apparently not aware that ASR can occur in above ground pools and house foundations as well?
@@tita1170 I'm pretty aware that if you live in a peer and beam house and don't have a pool all you gotta worry about is jacking that bad boy up, keeping it roofed and fires.
The more simple you live the less problems you have.
Also that Walmart plastic pool is like 400 bucks lol
Concrete cancer?? Never heard of that.
I have heard of incorrectly mixed components of concrete as well as inferior quality ingredients. Never had problems with reputable concrete suppliers.
Concrete companies and pool builder go bankrupt and reopen under a new name.
Can they line the pools with some sort of rubber/vinyl membrane?
The first picture is differential settlement, not concrete cancer.
What about spray-on pool coatings to seal them?
Would pool liners help in this instance?
Look a pool liners.
Get a portable pool.
Put some of that pool epoxy putty on the cracks. It’ll definitely help keep the water in.
FLEX SEAL, It works o. Everything according to the commercial !
I thought people were getting sick from the cancer… it’s just poorly constructed pools. Cancer?? 😅
What about those precast type pools. I see them being delivered alot. Too bad this guy couldn't get one of those to drop into existing pool.
The title insinuates concrete causes cancer.
Sounds like a perfect time to test out flex seal
thats like putting a bandaid on a tumor
Is this only in Texas?
Why not just add a new layer concrete like a 6 inch concrete liner you would lose some pool area but it would be fixed..?
A new layer on top of it won't bind. You'll just have a wall of concrete not attached to the concrete behind it..... especially when you add thousands of pounds of water. All the concrete needs to be cured at the same time
@@YouMakeItHappen thanks
@@YouMakeItHappen Exactly. Cody built my pool here in Houston, but that was 2015. I had to water the walls and bottom of my pool while it was empty on a daily basis so that it would cure properly. After it was filled, I had to brush the walls on a daily basis for a period of time.
@@YouMakeItHappen Maybe have a fiberglass pool molded in the shape of that pool and placed on top. I bet it would cost less than $150K
Well thats not very smart to buy a home just because it has a pool now is it.
always have your concrete dirt check for defects. never rely on "authority" to make you feel secure.
That’s a shame.
I won't ever invest in a home.
imagine that, everyone pointing fingers at everyone else.
Buying a house with a pool is a fool's money story. Like a boat, a pool is nothing but a hole you throw money into.
But I have a bigger question. If the concrete providers are the ultimate source of the problem, isn't it also likely that such problems might be found in foundations/structural work of homes built in the same period?
Can't they be lined with an epoxy coating? Some kinda of rubber coating?
@@DaveP-uv1ml
"FLEX-SEAL!" 🤣🤣🤣
Can’t you just get a pool liner and put that inside there and fill it with water?
Pools are for rich folks and this is why. Huge liability.
You PUMPED the ground water, and the oil like tomorrow never comes, and now you're wondering why the land is settling. Whats your foundation looking like ? Hope they pored it at a way lower slump then the pool.