No it doesn't. On the road bike I look under my shoulder. It is more comfy. Plus your speed is just little less like speed limit in the city which is 50km/h here.
@@weetikissa In the Europe we don't have a stop signs on every corner. In the city the most roads are one way with lights on the intersections. Outside of the city i will keep a garmin to find me a good road. A service road, Eurovelo, cycling path. Dutch bikes are popular on the vilages.
No it's not. I even find it easier to do on a road bike. When upright you have to twist much further staying in a horizontal plane so getting both eyes on the road behind you is really hard, on a road bike, you twist your head on an angle, so your eyes are vertical over each other and you peak over your shoulder. Much quicker and easier. Still love upright bikes, they were the way of transport my entire childhood. They meant uncomplicated freedom and autonomy. No special bike gear or clothes, just a bike.
The upright position makes you look other road users straight in the eyes, which is very useful for "negotiating" the right of way in any Dutch city during rush our. The Dutch bikes are sturdy, practical and build for comfort, not for speed. I don't know how long they last, I've only had my Gazelle for 30 years, too soon to tell.
@@Shifter_Cycling Have had Gazelle Free for 12 years. That model forced a position that was just a bit inclined wrt to the classical upright. 3 internal speeds, literally no maintenance. Great for shopping and short commute, but anything beyond 5 km induces a boredom, which becomes unbearable if you need to negotiate a 6 bf wind. Switched to American style sport hybrid when my commute grew to 14 km one way. Still borrow my wife's upright when go shopping or just around a corner.
Wim Ahlers Because instead of your body weight being evenly distributed across your butt, hands and-most importantly-feet, all of your weight will be on your butt, which will cause pain in the pelvis after 4-5 miles. But you, being a Dutchman, typically don’t ride far enough to worry about that.
Dutch bikes usually come with a chain guard, splash protection over both tires, and a lock. A lot of thought has gone into what people need to make cycling comfortable and practical.
Also don't forget the very important thing below the rack, typically a transparent plastic guard at the rear tire sides to keep dangling bits of clothing from going into the spokes. As they get older and see some rough times one or both might be missing, but on just about any new one they'll be there. I'm quite happy with my AXA lock as well that has a normal frame lock going through the rear tire but also has an insertion point opposite of the key which can retain a chain thing. See this dutch video by the manufacturer that demonstrates it: ruclips.net/video/dYq4WP-A_fI/видео.html Might not be as secure as some other ways to lock things up (only one lock to defeat), but it's certainly convenient and quick to use.
@@extrastuff9463 Most thieves aim for the ones that look "easiest". If your lock looks intimidating enough, they will shift their attention to other bikes that seem to be "less protected".
I'm in the Philippines, bought my Japanese surplus "mamachari" (mom's chariot) for under $80. A Bridgestone Albelt with an aluminum mid-bar unisex frame, three speed geared hub, fenders, basket, belt guard. Yeah, that's not a typo. Bridgestone made a belt drive for the Japanese domestic market after they closed their US division. Their design wasn't as durable as it could have been so I'm running a chain right now but I've got a belt capable frame if I ever want to convert.
you're right. the bike he's riding wouldn't be considered an authentic Dutch bike because it lacks the items you mentioned. Also, the handlebars should really curve back more. It's typically equipped with lights plus Internal gear hub and a pleasant sounding bell. (very important feature)
@@oliviajayneslucas6779 Whether you want to ride in a dress or trousers is your choice, but it is still called a ladies bike because you can ride it wearing a dress. Where I live, it is not uncommon to see women cycling wearing dresses during the summer period.
@@oliviajayneslucas6779 we gotta keep the bar option for people like me; I use the bar constantly when biking to quickly ascend/descend stairs by sliding it onto my shoulder like a bag and strolling up 😅 I'm too short + my arms r too weak to carry a Dutch bike up (I've tried it before - doesn't work) bc I can't maintain the height clearance I need over the steps or I get hit by the front wheel bc I'm busy grappling with the frame.
In Finland, this style of bike is one of the most common and it's referred as a granny bicycle. However they are used by everyone and there is little to no stigma to using one for anyone. I've always preferred one over anything else.
I've found a lot of asian countries also importing Japanese second hand bikes. Makes me wonder how many bikes Japan is actually generating to be able to supply an entire continent with their old bikes.
"Step-through" bikes are easier for older riders who can't 'throw their leg' over the seat/saddle. Also in the event of a crash or fall [which will eventually happen] you don't or won't harm your private area.
My main bike is a step-through frame 3-speed "girls" bike from the 70s but I been riding so long I still swing my leg over the seat to get on. Sometimes I pass roadies on my modified girl's bike. "Don't buy upgrades, ride up grades" - Eddy Merckx
@@hatbpto5180 Considering that you ride no more than 12-14 mph, the road cyclists were passing you at 25-30 mph as you were holding them up. Nice attempt at lying, though.
I had neck surgery years ago, and gave up biking because I could lean forward and look up to ride a normal US road or mtb. I'm glad that this form factor is becoming more popular in the US especially as ebike manufacturers are adopting these for commuters and utility riders. I finally got a Dutch bike and can enjoy getting out on the paths again without hurting my neck.
My ebike, a Magnum Cosmo X, has a step through frame and it's great. At some point I wanna get an actual dutch style bike that way I can have an upright bike for trips and not have a battery to worry about in case I wanna do all the effort myself
As a Dutchy allow me to explain the girls vs guys bike thing. A little less than half a century ago the frames weren't as sturdy as they are now, back then that high cross bar was really important for the rigidity of the front end of the frame. The stepthrough frame was really a compromise so women could ride a bike even with a skirt, but it did mean that when steering you could twist the front end of the frame sideways and because the low cross bar wasn't just a straight tube they were also slightly more expensive. So basically you're getting a more expensive and less durable bike just for the ability to wear a skirt while riding (and having an easier mount/dismount). Not something you're gonna if you aren't ever wearing skirts or aren't physically able to do the old roundhouse kick over the baggage carrier.
The fact is it's a better image for women to be on women's styled bikes. Something is missing culturally and aesthetically when they aren't doing that. It's the same thing about them wearing proper women's clothes riding a bike or not.
@@derekjolly3680I don't want to lump the dutch in with us Germans but people really don't care about how strangers are dressed. The social pressure to dress a certain way (outside of work that is) is pretty much non existent.
This is very true. I'm Dutch but have lived in Ireland over a decade. My bike here is an 'urbanised' mountain bike; road tyres and mudguards but still 21 gears (of which I use 5) and a lean-forward position. And yes, I cycle faster here than I did in the Netherlands. On this bike I can't ride with one hand on the handle bars and a shopping bag in the other, because braking puts weight on that one hand which makes you turn the handle bars. Constantly leaning on your arms and hands is uncomfortable, more so when you go slower. The steering is more nervous; on a Dutch bike I'd happily cycle long stretches, including turns, with my hands off the bars altogether. On my Irish bike I'm afraid to take my hands off going straight if it's windy. You missed an important part of the proper Dutch bike: the kick-back brake. Instead of two brakes you squeeze with your hands you simply pedal in reverse to brake. This again makes it easier to cycle with one or no hands on the handle bars.
@Ronald Vallenduuk I don't ride one-handed with a parcel anymore. It hindered me, especially in an emergency. I wear a backpack. But I ride a mix of bike paths and some heavy traffic.
Well a "21 GeArS" MTB has at most 10 gears if you discount overlap and cross-chaining, so half that isn't bad. I have one and use around 6 of them constantly, though it's nice to have the others for big climbs or when I need to outrun a bus to get out of its way like it happened this morning 😅
You sY "the steering is more nervous" but I have made the opposite observations: I have never seen a person on an upright bike who I felt like they were really in complete Control of said bike. They always seemed much less ready amd capable for any emergency maneuvering, since steering just with the hands will induce counter-steer by weight. So I see the setting Position benefits, but I hate to have to Deal with those bikes in traffic, since I can judge them even less than cars.
Yep! You're totally right about how it feels. I'm a middle aged man and I ride a step through with an upright seating position and swept back handlebars. I love it. I recommend it to everyone. Not too many men here in Dublin riding step throughs but we are growing in numbers.
I like to ride the upright bike set way back on the saddle and crunched over. It's better than riding a road bike because the weight is off your hands, with swept back bars and adjustable stem pulled back you can hold on, it feels like pulling on the bars instead of leaning on them. Pedaling is from a strong position like that, as well. I never thought it would be like that when I bought the bike - no hand numbness, no pressure on the nether region.
All you need to do is lower the bike to 45° or more and you can get your leg over easy enough. I was thinking about this because I bought a saddle bag which sticks out and up quite a bit if full. I'm 61 and not fit at all.
I hate the fact that step-through bikes have been gendered like that. It just makes sense to me, in an urban setting, where I have to often stop and step down from the saddle on crossroads and such, to have a step-through frame, regardless of rider's gender or whether they wear pants or a skirt. Also an upright position makes a lot of sense from an awareness standpoint, being able to more easily see your surroundings without having to crane your neck is essential in the city.
They have not been "gendered". They were originally adapted from men's bikes so women could ride bikes as well. The original bicycle frame is very stiff, and very little energy is absorbed. The frame on ladies' bikes flex a lot more, absorbing a lot of energy. When I was a letter carrier, I would always pick a step-through for convenience, but not for private use.
@@KlipsenTube To add to your point. iirc, at some point the women's model was weaker (perceived or otherwise) due to the absence of the horizontal bar. Nowadays there is little to no practical difference between both frames in terms of strength
You're correct about the state of mind. My day starts with a 45 minute commute. My head is clear, I sort out things to do for the rest of the day, get my best idea's and write my best letters ... all in my mind, while riding.
You said it perfectly. Up right is so much more comfortable and need to get around town, run errands, and have fun. Also, Step Through is so much better, especially as you get older and carry pannier or other rear rack bags. I used to be the other guy. I have gotten wiser. Love my step through.
up right means more pressure on your butt though. you will never see something going long distance on a bike with upright posture. headwinds and saddlesores will plague you. also step thrus generally have lower bottom brackets which increases the risk of you falling off the bike in sharp turns due to your pedals or foot hitting the floor, also theyre less rigid which means less durable. some step thrus even have shorter dimensions which arent meant for mens sizes.
I live in Essex, UK. I lived in Holland for 10 years. After my return I bought a cheapy road cruiser bike, and slowly adapted it to be a Dutch set up bicycle. It’s my pride and joy.
@@Snowshowslow . It's fine, others will say no, most main roads have designated (white lines) cycle lanes, but some main roads with housing allow cars to park on the cycle lane, but those in their petrol/diesel/electric motor powered metal boxes are obliging!
@@thebohemian. Ah, parking in the cycle lane would annoy me hugely. But the most important thing is that drivers take you into account :-) In the end, that's the main source of safety.
When we have a tall basket at the back, it is difficult to get onto the bike by the usual men's way. So girl-style frame is quite convenient for any gender.
I don't have any problems passing my leg over the seat but when I started carrying crates I found it troublesome A friend use step thro one and I told him it's a girl's bike he replied by saying that it's convenient when you're carrying groceries
You hit the nail right on the head when you made the point about handlebar position affecting your state of mind. I have mostly ridden Dutch style or English roadster style bikes all my life and that sit up straight position just makes you chill out. Put me on a straight bar bike and I automatically feel I should be hurrying. You'd think if you just told yourself to cycle more slowly that would fix it, but you forget and suddenly find yourself cycling in a hurry. Weird but true! I prefer the sit up straight bikes, its like meditating in a mad world. :)
Brought my Dutch (grandma-) bike to Canada when I moved from the Netherlands. Crate at the front and two big bags on the back; perfect. Nothing beats them!
My dad has an old Gazelle which used to belong to his dad, it's from just post ww2 and it's still going strong! Although a lot of parts have been replaced by now because well... Look how old it is but the frame still has 0 rust, almost no damage to the still original paint, it's been very well taken care of and it now serves as my dad's commuter for inner city travel
I rented a brand new upright bike in Fethiye Turkey for one month recently. It was awesome, great handle bar 7 gear shifter, had a basket on the front...my manhood looked at the bike initially and thought..no way, 30 minutes later I was sold. The bike was solid, handled the hills with ease. Getting on and off was not a challenge.
As a Dutch man, i sweat by the 'upright bikes'. And until my mid 40s or so, I would still overtake many who cycle on sports bikes if I want or need to go fast. Its versatile, comfortable and allows great overview of the traffic. And you feel the wind more through your hair. And you can bring a few bags, transport a friend ... oh well, you get the idea.
@@ccka1970 Not really they're heavy asf and not very aerodynamic. It's ok if you want to cruise all the way there but really imo anything more than 30 mins of cycling and it just gets tiring. A hybrid/road bike would be way nicer if you want to go on a trip somewhere or have a really long commute.
I'm 58 and commute on an upright Breezer Freedom, 3 speed IGH, men's style. If I ever need a new bike, it will definitely be a step-through. So much easier to mount and dismount with slacks on and to heck with what people think.
I bought my wife a Giant Sedona (step-thru design) with a small frame, and the adjustable stem. She has carpel tunnel syndrome, and with the stem almost all the way up, it helps. After cleaning it up, I took it for a ride and couldn't believe how much more comfortable it was. I'm now in the process of converting my 1996 Schwinn Moab into a casual commuter. Riding the Sedona inspired me to start this project.
That's an interesting perspective I've never considered. I bought an electric mountain bike last year but ride it mostly in the city and I often find myself in the bike lane with hands on my pockets, sitting upright, relaxed, and just enjoying the day. I never thought there were bikes made to do just that xD (but with hands on the handles, of course)
I have had a racing bike(s) all my life! I’ve ridden mountain bikes a lot too but I LOVE SPEED! Much to my dismay, my wife insisted on a Dutch girlies bike; and I bought her a Polygon Oosten Dutch bike. Now I have an expensive super awesome light-weight racing bike which I LOVE! But I gotta say .. YOU ARE RIGHT!! I totally LOVE riding her bike. Probably even more than mine! I cannot believe how good it is sitting upright with the pedals forward as you say; and I totally want one myself!!
At 70 I have been riding bikes for the past 60 years and I now have a Three speed Pashley Princess step thru girlie bike. I absolutely love it and it is the most comfortable bike I have ever ridden with its sprung saddle and upright riding position. 🙂
I love my Electra Townie! I purposely traded in my mountain bike -- the bike of my wild youth -- for a comfort/cruiser simply because I was older and my lifestyle was now different. I've had my beloved Townie since 2011, and I love knowing that it should last me the rest of my life. It's a gorgeous bike, the pewter colour, and I've decked it out with woven baskets on the rear rack from the Nantucket Bike Basket Company. I feel classy on this bike. I feel like I don't need to strap on the athletic gear and try to impress anyone. I'm on my Townie for me and I love that I can look approachable by people as I ride by, instead of a speed demon trying to do a workout. It really is a state of mind, and I like more of who I am on this bike than I ever did on my mountain bike. It also makes me want to ride it all the time. On my mountain bike, I rode it mainly to *go biking*, but on my Townie, I want to ride it everywhere in town whether I'm off to the post office, to the market, to the library.. it doesn't matter. It's mainly replaced my car in the warmer-weather months with pleasure. My links: electra.trekbikes.com/us/en_US/townie/ www.nantucketbikebaskets.com/
I ride a 17 year old Townie. I used to ride it as a commuter in Vancouver. I don't use it as much anymore but I still love being on my bike. It's very comfortable.
I've got a 1990's hybrid bike which I put butterfly bars on, and with my hands on the near bars, it puts me in the upright dutch-bike-like riding position, while the rest of the butterfly bar gives me other options for windy days or more aero riding. The main advantage of uprights, is the ability to look around without getting a crick in one's neck. I call it my "tourist" mode.
I recently got an Electra Vale e-bike and it’s a very Dutch styled cruiser. Absolutely love it, after having only ever ridden mountain bikes. The lazy body position plus the very low center of gravity with the motor/battery makes it such a gem to cruise around on.
I live in Novi Sad, Serbia, and I can't even imagine my life without the Dutch bike lol... It's probably the flattest city in the country and has good bike infrastructure... Separate bike lanes almost everywhere, and it's next to pedestrian lanes, not with car lanes, so that's awesome as well. It's just super comfortable, which is the most important thing for commuting to me... Super fat and comfortable saddle, even has a little suspension thing in the seat post, on top of fat springs in the saddle... Almost completely upright seating position, nice fat leather grips with palm support on very curved bars... Even has 3 gears built into the hub, which I almost never shift, always in the easy gear lol... And I completely agree with the different state of mind compared to riding an aggressive MTB or road bike... You just cruising at like 10 - 20 km/h, eating ice-cream, not a worry in the world lol. And I've had it for like 10 years and other than a few flat tires and lubing the chain once in a while, I literally never serviced it, ever, and it still works perfectly fine... It's catching up here and there are now a loooot of these bikes around... Hope it catches up there as well because it's just an awesome bike! Most of them are steel frames and wheels and super simple... They never break, because there are very few things that can break lol and even if something does break, it's super easy and cheap to fix it...
I live in Westerville, Ohio (a suburb of Columbus), with easy access to the Ohio-Erie Trail (Cleveland to Cincinnati). Everything I need from the outside world is available within a 15 mile bike-path round trip -- groceries, hardware, home improvement, auto parts, the two biggest malls (Polaris and Easton). My bike is a 1970's Schwinn Continental. The frame is a tank and I love it! It's been upgraded with modern components and converted over to 700c tires/rims. The handlebars are straight mountain bike style with aero bull horns added for when I want to cover serious distances of 40 to 200 miles. I basically use the bike for sport, minimal grocery getting, and pleasure low-intensity touring. There's almost no reason to own a car... you'd think such utilitarian and practical bicycles like the various Dutch configurations would be prevalent here. Allas, this is America. The automobile is, for the time being, too entrenched in the culture, landscape, and social acceptance/requirements. This will change as population densities increase and automobile costs continue to bite deeper into the wallets of everyday folks. A utilitarian bike needs click-to-install front and rear racks/baskets capable of taking on twenty pounds of cargo. There's also a host of other day-in-and-day out improvements needed like front hub dynamos, fenders, and the like. Such animals are unexplainably rare in the wild. I find that odd, interesting, and opportunity-presenting all at the same time.
It is absolutely amazing what you can see on a bicycle that you miss when taking the same route in a car. Of course, if you're in the city on your bike then you have to be 100% focused on riding safely and avoided the motor vehicles. But otherwise the bike is so much more enjoyable. It's a shame that the world loves the car so much.
The top tube on a so-called "men's bicycle" had nothing to do with male or female back when the safety bicycle was invented. It was simply a triangular frame and the top tube made the frame solid. Even today, the triangular frame with the top tube is the strongest bike frame of them all (notice on some Dutch bikes a second top tube is added for even more strength). But when women started driving safety bicycles, it became a challenge for them because back in the 1890s nearly all women wore dresses. Also, it was considered improper manners for a woman to raise her leg high, as she needed to get it over the top tube. Also her dress could not cover her properly because the top tube held it up, exposing the bottom opening of her dress, her legs... and possibly more. Oh! The ladies couldn't bear the thought! Nor could they drive a bicycle side-saddle, like they did on their horses. Something had to be done! Solution? Well, first, some men thought a woman on a bicycle was a no-no. They were terrified she might get too independent and slack off on house and family duties. So some women and their daughters simply weren't allowed to drive bicycles. But for those women and girls who could and would mount up, the triangular frame of the safety bicycle was redesigned to market to women. With the top tube removed, she could easily step into the bicycle frame, dress and all, and drive away without fear of looking improper or--God forbid!--exposing her precious self! So, the so-called, "girl's bike" was in fact originated as and designated as a girl's bike--or--a bicycle for girls, if you prefer. Nowadays of course most people, men and women, boys and girls go around almost naked and with loose fitting shorts and T-shirts, so it would seem the traditional girl's bike would be obsolete by now. Not so fast. Men and women enjoy the top-tubeless design for personal reasons. Many women still want to be proper and mount up with safety, ease and style and not look silly while they're doing it (my wife is one of these). Meantime drive whatever bike you like. The only person it need matter to anymore is you. As for me, the only kind of bike I drive anymore is a fatbike with a sturdy steel frame (and of course a top-tube). Anything else is useless to my mind. If your tires aren't at least three inches wide I don't even want to know you!
@@sanasiddiqui5774 Agreed. I have driven girl's style bicycles and destroyed them. I weigh over two hundred pounds and drive my all steel frame bicycles mercilessly over any kind of terrain you can imagine, from 110+ degrees Fahrenheit to -30 degrees Fahrenheit. A girl's style frame simply cannot hold up and they bent, deformed and wobbled when I punished them. And for that matter almost daily you see plenty of women out there on road bikes and mountain bikes and the frames are always top tube fortified. It's a much, much stronger frame. In my world, girl style frames are useless.
TheMNBlackBear Agree I have seen women riding mountain bikes and all had top tube frame. I guess it boils down to usage, if somebody wants a city cruiser rides for leisure/recreation/small commute or a heavy duty bike for riding miles / adventure. The point of women raising their legs to sit is still valid to this date, I mean I would be more comfortable with Dutch style as raising my leg like a gymnast in public is awkward even if I am clad in jeans 👖 or palazzo.
Might be a late reply, but I thought all bikes had a straight ball crushing frame when first produced. Then, as women began to cycle as well but were always wearing dresses back in the 19th century, they made a women's frame by lowering the bar so that they would not have their dress hang over the frame but instead the dresses would be decently lowered so that they would not be embarrassed.
@@scientiadetpacem7930 That might have been true in those long ago days. But is not an issue nowadays. Today there is another reason for a step through frame. Both for men as well as for women. That is, it is common to have a small child in a childseat sitting on the backrack. With a man's bike you get on your bicycle by swinging your leg over the backrack. Which would be a karate hit if a child would be there. Hence, many families with young children own and use bicycles with the step through frame. A step through frame is also easier for the less nimble elderly. reference(s): ruclips.net/video/SfLJ876lXsQ/видео.html ruclips.net/video/FLRrA-rKY-Q/видео.html In the following video you can see the awkwardness and balancing problems when mounting a bicycle with a rear childseat when it is not a step through frame. And this specific bicycle does not even have the higher vertical bar that you see on the traditional men's diamond shape bicycle frames. On those bicycles it will be even higher to cross the vertical bar. See: ruclips.net/video/dnY2eFnAJn0/видео.html The following shows how cycling is made safer in The Netherlands. See: ruclips.net/video/vrrzFnzYUXI/видео.html . (proactive) In most other countries they simply say to wear a helmet to be safe. And never, or very rarely, make streets and intersections bicycle friendly, that is, safe to cycle. This is how we deal with accidents, see: ruclips.net/video/YeJ-d86pKsw/видео.html . (reactive) About cycling safety in The Netherlands in general see (dated 2014): ruclips.net/video/D-iascYoHc4/видео.html
@@wimahlers Jep that is true. My girlfriend and I bought two bikes last year. One with the a straight bar frame and one with the women's frame. My bike has got a childseat in front (I think you can legally use it for a baby from 9 months old) and we have the other rear bike seat on the bike with a women frame. Since we are still young we both use each other's bike; have to say, before I bought this bike I can't remember last time I rode a bike with the straight bar. I think I never have done that before, always used the women frame bike since that was very convenient (and I always got used bikes from somebody else because I never really needed a completely new bike).
I changed the stems on my "men's" bikes to raise the handlebar so I can sit more upright. Sitting upright shifts the seat pressure from the nether region to the "seat bones" towards the back. This necessitates a change to a more cushiony seat. Overall, a much more comfortable and relaxing ride. The remaining thing that bothers me is that I still have to lift my legs to go over the top tube to get off the bike.
I am a 54 years old woman, and overweight. I get " skin saddle pain" on a bike with a soft cushioned saddle. I need to have my own hard leather saddle to avoid a painful skin and avoid sweating down there. I do experience saddle pain after not cycling for some weeks like with going on holiday or now, after being in isolation because of having Corona, but that saddle pain is deep inside "sit bone pain" . It requires to cycle very often to grow sit meat around my sitbones again in order to get rid of saddle pain. I am cycling upright so all the weight is on those tiny sit bones and it requires to keep or make the muscles and other inside tissue around it strong again. Also it is better for me to sit on hard surfaces in general to keep " sit meat" strong and not spoiled with soft cushions.
All excellent points that are right on in my experience. I’ve been riding a true Dutch bike for over a decade now. With traditional wrap around bars I feel more like I’m getting into my bike than on it. Hard to describe but it can be felt. Also, riding in snow. When you’re sitting upright your front wheel isn’t as loaded. This makes cruising over slick spots less risky and makes it possible to let the bars wiggle and wobble back & forth as the front wheel goes over and through ruts in the snow. The typically wide tires help here too. My bike is super heavy, like over 60lbs. Double top tubes with a giant rack and basket up front. Stainless steel components. But comfortable for me on rides up to 25 miles each way. Definitely not in a hurry, but durability? I say you could throw my bike off of a roof and still ride it home. Comfort all around.
I can relate. I own a Bridgestone Minna I bought used. 2 wheels at the front, step through frame, upright position. The way it makes you ride it in a slower more relaxed way really is a change of perspective too. And working on old components is a different kind of enjoyable as well.
Bought a vintage made in england Raleigh 3 speed from the goodwill bins a couple days ago for 45 dollars. Absolutely love it. Everything about it is fun and charming. Your video is quite accurate.
The bike seen in this video is still pretty far from the standard bike in the Netherlands. On Dutch bikes you will see something covering the top parts of both tires to protect you from stuff like water and mud, fenders are also absent and they're there fro the same reason. I don't know if there's a kickbrake on the bike shown in the video, but that's also usually present on Dutch bikes.
Hey Tom, my family and I toured about 12 nations in Europe a couple of years ago. These bikes were predominant and everywhere. To be honest, you have to watch out more for the bikes than you do the cars. Clearly in places like the Netherlands and Scandinavia the average person has a different attitude than those of us in the USA, Canada, UK and Australia when it comes to bikes. To the average Dutch person it seems to me that they are just seen as a practical and comfortable commuter machine. I agree, we need to see more of these in more countries. I am sure we would be a lot healthier if we did, certainly those of us that are down-under. It is a mindset thing that we need to confront. At the end of the day the government in the Netherlands and Scandinavia, as well as other parts of Europe, design their city road systems in favour of the bike and to encourage a more healthy lifestyle. I hope we can catch up soon! Thanks for this Tom. I have been wanting to say it for a while and you did a far better job than I could!
Thanks a lot for this posting. A couple of years ago I saw a Johnny Loco delivery bike that seemed so interesting to me . I passed it up but never forgot the impression it made on me. Recently I started thinking about buying a bicycle that would give the kind of ride you talk about. I had a hard time explaining to my wife what I wanted and now thanks to you I now have a persuasive argument. Luckily, even though the Johnny Loco delivery bike is not being built, I found a new one on eBay. I bought it.
I think it's called a Dutch bike (at least in North America) because The Netherlands are world famous for their cycling infrastructure. As such that style of bike, despite being common throughout Western/Northern Europe, is associated with the Dutch.
@@LanceAvion Worse still, the "Dutch" bike actually is a British invention. The traditional diamond shape frame, the chain design, mudguards and coaster brake was invented in the UK. See, among others: roadswerenotbuiltforcars.com/dutchbike/
Sweden is part of the Netherlands, and Oslo is a province in the the part of Sweden, in the Netherlands... please learn some topography. Hope to see you in our Dutch city Helsinki or Kopenhagen. Yours sincerely every Dutch person. ;-)
@@lapland123 You forgot to mention the UK only became glorius after a revolution where they begged a Dutch guy to become their king. I mean he did not just invade and kick out the king but made the Brits beg for it. So for any glory after this event the Brits should thank us Dutch:) On a serious note, it was more of a popular type of bike everywhere until cars took over. We Dutch just had more appreciation for the bike and considered the fatalities cars caused, so we started making room for both on the road. Something that is still a work in progress in the rest of the world and I would even say still a work in progress for us Dutch as well.
could also be a question of fashion trends. Like cars: these days upper-medium cars are advertised as "sporty". 95% of the mileage is spent in crowded highways and sitting in traffic jams, still people are all about horsepowers, acceleration and speed in corners, handling. I totally get it when someone is young and passionate about driving - or cycling, in this case. Most people, however, just want to move. For them, step-through upright with minimum complication, fenders, package racks.
I'm from Copenhagen and ride a bike like this and I can tell you: You can race it if you like :-) Weight is around 50 pounds (more when loaded with goods) and you get plenty of high pulse and endophines trying to hang on to the road/mountain/electric biker that just passed you by and thought he/she could get away with it :-) Also, removing the mud guards is an absolute no go in the climate around here - and looks weird too :-)
I'm Dutch and I live in the Netherlands. What I like about Dutch bikes is that I can use them for urban commuting, as well as going for a ride with the intensity of a (brisk) walk (of course over here there is infrastructure for that). So although not sporty, definitely useful for going for a round of fresh air and burning some calories in a relaxed way.
I haven't been on a road bike for a while and started looking at gravel bikes, imagining my 20 year-old self riding on trails. Your video reminded me that I'm 67, and I might actually enjoy pain- and stress-free rides, mostly on flats. And now, electric step-thru bikes are cool. Thanks for the reality check!
How does a e.g. a road bike that's lighter to ride make you sweat more when commuting? It's the other way around. Ride the sports bike calmly like pros do and you won't sweat.
@@McSlobo it's the position and mindset. Like he said in the video. Upright bike feels like an armchair or couch. It slows you down, gives you more overview of what is happening around you etc.
@@McSlobo first of your question is the wrong way around. It should rather be: how does an "oma fiets", as these dutch bikes are called, make you sweat less? (especially when not a pro, we are talking about a simple commute bike after all.) To answer that I can go into the position one has when riding a bike like that and how it is forcing you into a lower energy output. But instead, I will just counter with: "decades of experience, it's not focused on pro's after all, rather it should just work efficiently effectively and without to much effort"
Hey Tom -- I enjoyed the video, and I _completely_ agree with your perspective. My wife and I used to live in Holland and we owned vintage versions of the big Dutch bikes that are commonly referred to as "opafiets" and "omafiets" (literally "grandpa bike" and "grandma bike"), that were made by Gazelle, all-black, and weighed at least 50 lbs. We *loved* the Dutch approach to cycling. A couple of thoughts about the resistance that a lot of Americans seem to have to such bikes -- specifically younger, urban, middle-class Americans (ironically, the very demographic that should be embracing Dutch bikes): That demographic can be extremely status-conscious. I live in downtown San Francisco and all the time I see bike messengers riding around on $3K bikes by Cinelli, Masi, DeRosa, etc. They're not just delivering stuff, they're displaying their taste to their peers. I've even seen some on "lo-pro" (AKA time-trial) bikes that are totally unsuited for riding downtown, but it projects the image that they want. Cracking that mindset is tough. I have a pretty big collection of bikes from the '30s through '70s (Hetchin's, deRosa, Galmozzi, Rochet, etc.). Most of them were originally fitted with drop-bars, derailleur gearing, etc. But I have set them all up the same way: with 3-speed hubs with coaster brakes, and porteur handlebars on tall stems, so it puts me into the "sit-up-and-beg" position. Those two things -- tall stem and pull-back bars -- can be done to *any* bike, and it dramatically changes one's riding position. And the 3-speed hub with coaster brake is inherently safer, and much less troublesome than derailleurs and 10-18 speeds. And the coaster brake in the rear is much safer than caliper brakes. Finally, the upright riding position is vastly safer than a bike with drop-bars (or as I call it: the "human missile" position). Because of the angle that it forces the rider into, it makes them likely to hit anything head-first. It's *much* harder to see what's going on around you (cars getting too close, etc.), and one's peripheral vision is limited when riding with drop-bars. It's also much more tiring on the back, neck and arms. I put a few thousand miles on the streets of SF every year, and although I regularly have close-calls with motorists, I have yet to get hit or to spill. That's partly due to just being old and wary, but a lot of it is because I'm not getting distracted by shifting every block, and I can easily see around me and react to danger as needed. So yay for upright cycling!
We don't need Dutch-upright-bike-only Nazis like yourself telling us what we can and cannot ride, especially when we have hills and very long commute distances.
@@MarchuxProductions mostly maintenance I'd guess. I Haven't had a coaster brake needing maintenance. Calipers need pad replacement and cable/fluid checking.
Oh yeah it's absolutely a state of mind too. On my regular sporty bikes I usually go about 25-30 km/h on regular flat straight sections, but on my Dutch bike (or actually Belgian, slightly different but very close) I often only average like... 15. And no it's not because it's actually slow and heavy, I can absolutely race around town on it at 25-30 km/h if I want to, but I usually just have no interest at all in going fast on it. On that bike, I just wanna sit back, relax and enjoy the scenery. It's also a bike that really encourages discovering new paths, be it on the road or even on dirt roads.
I enjoyed this video because I have just rediscovered the joys of upright, slowed-down bike riding. I have a 1968 Schwinn Racer, and it meets all the criteria: upright riding with swept-back handle bars, a three speed internal hub, fenders, chain guard, a heavy but solid steel frame. Back in its heyday Schwinn was the largest U.S. manufacturer of bikes. The company had a huge factory in Chicago, where the bikes were essentially hand-built. The quality was fantastic. They used Sturmey-Archer hubs, which were equally well-built in England. These bikes were so well built a lot of them still survive and are in good condition. The most common is the Racer, with a straight bar, and the women's version of the Racer, a step through. There are other Schwinn models built on these frames that use the SA three-speed hub, but these are the most common. You can find them on Craigslist. They may need a little work - I had to do some work on my '68 Racer to get into premium riding condition. But now it rides smooth and quiet, even at 54 years old. I enjoy riding it almost every day on the American River bike trail in Sacramento, CA. I have parked my road bike for now. You can buy these old Schwinns for under $200 off of Craigslist. You can get them from eBay also, but they are generally more expensive, especially if they have to be shipped. But these bikes were built to last forever, and they do.
This is so on point. I've enjoyed my Campy Record CIOCC for many years, very fast & fun but comfortable or practical it isn't. After a RUclips binge and for the heck of it, I found an old Reynolds 531 Trek on Craigslist & built it back up as a city bike, swept back bars, fenders & thumb shifters, rack, Brooks (and yes, a kickstand). As you say, I came for the comfort and stayed for the state of mind! It's like being a kid again, just riding with zero pressure for the pure joy of it. I keep finding excuses to just take it out, return a book to the library, a 10 mile roundtrip to get coffee at Trader Joes, rain or shine and my car has been parked up for 3 weeks now. Weekends I'm doing 60+ miles on it which previously I would have considered completely ridiculous on a 32lb+ bike but I come back exactly in that zen-like state you describe, a different buzz to the Strava KOM rides on the CIOCC but no less satisfying. And I guess the drug took hold, my Rivendell Clem Smith Jr. (the step thru version) will be delivered on Monday! I think we're on to something here?
Very different but I bought an ebike made by Rad which I noticed you sit very much upright and it is such a chill and relaxing position makes it much more enjoyable to ride.
I so totally agree with you. I'm looking to buy a new bike cause I'm fed up leaning cramped over my steering handles. I think maybe more people would enjoy transportation cycling if there were more of these types of bicycles available. The ones available in Norway are mostly hybrid bikes and have been so for many years. I hope the bicycle manufacturers start to see the benefits of the upright bike. :)
Funny, bc I have always said the same thing to my family & friends. My road bike definitely puts me in a totally competitive & different attitude/state of mind. As does my “regular” everyday hybrid bike! When I ride this one, I’m in a “kick back”, “I’m gonna enjoy my relaxed ride” mood!! But, either, what’s important is that you’re out riding & enjoying it!!! Great video!!
I love what you said about a state of mind riding these bikes. I was given an old Huffy bike and from the moment I got on I felt so much better. My short rides decrease my anxiety and grief from losing my husband, whom I miss every waking moment. It's just such a pleasure. I can't wait to take a little ride each day. I encourage anyone who is anxious to try it. I don't go in traffic, just on my country road. It's a very zen thrill. Thanks for your video.
Sorry to hear that you lost your husband.... RIDING is so so pleasurable and takes you outside and out of your maundset, but sometimes I imagine that that other person is right there beside me... or even watching from heaven that I am out and LOVING the fact that i am living and enjoyin myself and maybe one day there will be another person that I can enjoy the simple pleasure of what riding can bring,.... and the HEALTH benefits, both Mental and physical.... TAKE CARE OF YOURSELF....
Sorry for your loss... but indeed, riding an upright bike helps one to become part of the environment, so to speak. It's very amenable for sightseeing, and in doing so calms one's mind and helping one to find peace.
I bought my first Dutch design bike in 11 years ago while living in Manhattan; at the end of most works days I couldn’t wait for the chilled out experience of riding it; on many a weekend I’d pack a book, a tall bottle of Canadian brew, a deli sandwich, and head off to a quiet corner somewhere in Central Park; it was, as you put it a completely different state of mind, one that is the perfect antidote to living and working a high-stress job in Manhattan. I live in Chicago now, and have a great job but that bike came with me and riding it is even more pleasurable - it’s my main mode of transportation; the mini-poodle loves it as much as I do, if not more. Your observations are spot on.
I bought a Trek Alliant +8 Stagger e bike this year to help me with a 27 km commute. Trek does not call the Stagger a girls bike - neither do I. The step thru design makes dismounting easier. I can easily stop at a light and slide off the seat to plant both feet on the ground without worrying about becoming an eunuch. The more upright ridding position allows for a better line of sight when pedaling. You can call me a sissy, but for all around commuting the design fits me perfectly.
What sort of a monster of a frame did you have that was a threat to your parts when you stopped? I have a 59cm track bike that's a size too large for me, my legs are pretty short, and I'm still at no risk of crushing my balls when dismounting haha
Thanks for changing my mind towards cruiser bikes. I was having a hard time deciding which sort of bike I was going to buy for transportation to my job and other places. I had a mountain bike before I did had a fair amount of accidents that included me injuring my legs. Anyhow, thanks for the video!
for small shopping, easy life, relaxed small journeys, Dutch bike works. - but keep the road bike also. They both out-live you car - can be ridden by anyone and maintained by anyone.
You want one? I've got one in my basement. Bought it in Rotterdam and rode it all over Europe. It is wonderful. It has racks front and back, it is upright & it has new tires. It has new tires a raleigh 3 speed transmission, mud guards,a chain guard and it locks with a through the tire lock on the back tire. You lock it and take the key with you. I went over the alps on this WBR bike. It also has a kickstand. Reply here if you'd like to buy it & we'll talk. Why am I no longer riding it? I have arthritis and I have a little bike Friday that I ride now.
In Oct I Bought a new bike and included Nitto Bosco (B353) bars that positions me upright. What a great way to travel! I find it so much more comfortable that leaning forward.
What a great channel! I really appreciate your work. It’s what I have been looking for. In one hour of viewing you have offered me so much practical information I am truly grateful! Your video on winter cycling (I’m in Montreal) has been a great tutorial, the video on “The Perfect Winter bike” has sold me on the Onyx. Keep up the great work and I will keep passing on your channel. Many thanks.
@@adsetya3487 A Dames fiets (woman's bike) is a bike whit a "low entry" see the reply from TheMNBlackBear a bike whit a low entry and a upright riding position whit curved back handlebars is commonly referred to as a Omafiets (grandma's bike)
My wife had a Gary Fisher hybrid bike and had stopped using it after injuring her MCL. While trying to swing her leg over it, she caught her leg on the seat and fell backwards, twisting the knee of her supporting leg. Now she rides an Electra Townie, and loves it! The best bike is the one you want to ride, because then you do.
Good tips in this video. Where I live in San Francisco, we have some challenging conditions for bike riders. We have STEEP hills, heavy car traffic, difficult intersections and poor road conditions, with many streetcar tracks and potholes. Having ridden various types of bikes in San Francisco; road, city, hybrid, one-speed cruiser, I've found each has advantages and disadvantages here. I think an upright bikes with medium width tires are the safest and most efficient type. You need the upright ridding position to see the traffic around you. Medium to wide tires mean fewer flats. FYI - After 30+ years riding in San Francisco, and now in my 60's, I have switched to an ebike. At my age I need an ebike to make it up our hills.
Your 'Dutch bike' is the same type of bike my grandfather commuted to work with in Munich for decades. He bought it in the early 1950's and it was still working in the 1990's when he died. They're great for flat to low rolling hills. They stink in areas with steep hills or mountains. Three speeds, coaster brakes are one issue with that. That super handle bar design is also a negative when trying to climb.
BINGO! Right on, man. I sold my $3K Cannondale Synapse because I was tired of a.) having my attention on pavement and, b.) thinking I HAD TO GO FAST. Bought a single speed city bike set up to be very upright so I can SEE WHERE i AM GOING. My lower back is a lot happier! Biking is not just a sport, it's a life style. The Dutch have the right idea.
@@shannontrainer5857 , I have re read this thread to understand your comment Shannon, but what has flat roads and short commutes to do with pains of drop handlebars got to do with it, I need your enlightenment !
@@Steaks652 On a upright bike, not only are you putting all your weight on your butt which makes it uncomfortable after 4-5 miles, but also you're taking weight off your feet, thereby, decreasing pedalling efficiency. thomasthethinkengine(dot)com/2014/07/24/why-beautiful-dutch-ladies-bikes-should-come-with-a-health-warning/
My main concern that is preventing me from wanting to purchase one is speed: In a north american context, given the auto oriented roads and poor bike infrastructure, I find that speed and quick acceleration is very important to avoid dying, which seems to be absent from a Dutch bikes. I just wish there was a Dutch bike out there that also has good speed and acceleration.
I own seven bikes. But my upright Dutch city bike with internal hub gears is the safest in traffic. I have a good view on it, and shifting back and accelarating is way better than on my derailer bikes.
Three reasons not to use a dutch-style upright bike. 1. Hills 2. Distance 3. Wind I live in Edinburgh, and have commuted up to 40km per day. Could I have done that on an upright Dutch-style bike ? No. I have a basic 2x8 speed setup, and use all except the very top and bottom gears every day. There is however some comfort to be gained from a slightly more upright position, I'm 62 now and had a hip replacement a few months ago. I couldn't ride my bike with the drop handlebars, so I swapped them for some swept-back jobs, and will probably keep them, as it's generally better, but still quite forward compared with dutch-style. I would never get an omafiets, they're simply not suitable, and anyway, fast is fun.
American male here. I want a step through Dutch bike. I'm fortunate to live in an urban area surrounded by shops and bike infrastructure. A new grocery store opened a mile away and driving a car feels like overkill and riding my sport bike is not comfortable at all. Most of my daily errands are usually within a 2 to 3 mile range. A comfortable upright bike would be perfect for this. So I can park my car and start riding instead.
I'm not sure of the quality aspect, my daily ride Batavus is only 37 years old. Comfort also means you'd tend to bike more frequently. As a Danish city dweller I own three bikes, one fast, two comfy. In general I'll prefer the comfy ones for trips shorter than 12 miles and the fast one, just when I feel like feeling fast. For the most part my bikes are means of transportation and I consider comfort and ease of use just as important as speed. Fenders, locks that stay on the bike, luggage rack, sidestand, and lights all add comfort and usability in everyday life.
I very much like step-through bikes (especially with a trapeze frame), though I don’t have one and my next one won’t be one, either. But I don’t like Dutch bikes because it feels like the more upright position is less efficient, so I have to put in more effort to travel the same distance. Classic Dutch bikes are also often heavy af. I’d consider them to be more like café racers, for very short distances. But if they get more people to ride a bike, then I think that’s great! In general, I think it’s good to have more variety in the bicycle market.
Ya, totally agree. While I definitely understand the appeal of something a bit more relaxed than a road bike, for me the least comfortable part of a ride is how sweaty I am when I get to my destination, which is minimized with something that actually rides efficiently.
@@alecelgood8913 I sweat a bunch if I ride 100 meters on an easy gear*, so I say screw it and go for broke on bike speed. I love my hardtail! *: I'm not horsing around, even if I rode my commute on an omafiets I'd have to carry a change of clothes
I've had forward-leaning city bikes. I felt so unsafe on them, even when I wasn't carrying even 2 days worth of groceries (in addition to a backpack). On an upright, I've carried 20 kg shoulder bags and 2 bags of groceries on the steer, or a heavy backpack and an honest to god cabin sized rolling suitcase. They all depend on your use case. It's common to see people transporting 2-3 crates of beer on a bike, securing the bottom one, holding the top one while sitting upright. Can't do that when leaning.
Upright bicycles were very common in 20th century America. In the 1960s when racing bicycles became popular, with it's curved handles and bent over riding position, those were acknowledged as more athletic, racing bikes. I love the leisurely upright riding position of my Dahon folding bicycle. I can cruise between 8 to 10 miles per hour and if I want to go somewhere faster then I can always pedal faster and/or gear up to 12 to 15 mph. Going faster to 18 to 20 mph is doable but unless one is on a perfectly flat, good paved or concrete surface at near zero degrees angle then it gets tiring too fast. It's often the riding surface and angle slope that dictates my practical speed. Upright bicycles are still far more widespread in the U.S. than he thinks. Just think how much faster you will arrive somewhere by either walking at 2 mph or cruising on a bicycle at 10 mph.
Every bike other than racers used to fit this description. American bikes were upright with single speed, wide tires and coaster brakes. The traditional English Ralieh had narrower tires and a hub three speed. We were riding these in the fifties and they weren't new then.
I love womans step through bikes. I have two. 21 speed hybrid Schwinn upright. I am able to mount the bike fast and easy as well as get off with one foot on my left pedal standing and coast to my final landing. LOL. Light bicycles and I can go fast and enjoy the view and the ride. I am very comfortable on my bicycles and would never again buy different.
Ah yea, thats neat on the "oma bikes". I have male one... which i used to do the same on (flip leg over while slowing down, then step off ;] ), but im a bit older now and my new bike is a bit high.
I think I heard somewhere that the reason girls bike traditionally had step through frames is because it was said to be inappropriate for girls to lift there legs when getting on a bike. Because of dresses and skirts.
One of my bikes is actually a Dutch bike that we brought back from the Netherlands. However it's not very good for riding in the hilly area where we live. It's heavy and only has a small gear range. We don't have the excellent cycling infrastructure that they have in the Netherlands so for me a hybrid bike is the most practical. It's got lots of gears for getting up hills, has a fairly upright riding position and can navigate potholes, kerbs, mud, unpaved tracks, etc with relative ease. You should also note that there's a massive amount of ebikes being sold in the Netherlands now, accounting for something like 50% of new bike sales, despite there being no hills and most journeys being relatively short.
thing is, I know "Dutch-bikes" are heavier than others, but E-bikes are even heavier than usual upright Dutch bikes. I have one like that, and while I love the power support sometimes, I have a problem moving it up a train and carry it up a few steps. Pros and cons.
In the US a lot of people rides bikes either as a weekend sport wherein they can wear their cyclist outfit and special shoes, or as a going out to the park with the kids. You can see trails full of cars transporting their bikes. Very few actually uses bikes as a way of transportation. This is exactly the opposite in the Netherlands or Denmark.
@@jameslanders1483 definitely not, but there are more and more people that realize how practical is to ride a bike, plus the physical and mental health benefits for them. I think that not many of us haven't seen someone riding a bike that does not smile :)
A big reason I think these are less popular in the states is that they really require the riding surface to be even and predictable. I live in Denver which is a bike friendlier city, but I still want my bike to be able to handle curbs or rough streets or bits of off-road just to feel confident that I can get where I need to go.
Those "Dutch" bikes are often known as "sit up and beg" style. Many Dutch people are very tall, so the riding style suits the urban commuting transport style so prevalent in The Netherlands, Belgium and Denmark. They are also countries with very flat terrain, which lends itself to smooth rolling bikes without need for hill climbing gear ratios. My wife used to have one, which was a Gazelle model that we bought reconditioned in The Hague.
Dutch bikes often also have no gears, pedal back to break and a chain cover - this means zero hassel with break pads, zero hassel with gears, and no concern of getting chain oil on you clothes. Some of the best bikes I ever road are Dutch, and often the bikes are older than me (34)
We visited Amsterdam in 2019, we borrowed the AirBNB owner's Dutch bikes and man were they comfy! But, they were also big, clunky, had steel frames, everything was heavy on it, but they were nice commuters - oversized (relatively speaking) wheels and tires, they produced a very soft, comfortable but also sure-footed ride, they each had 3 speeds, a steel basket in front, 2 steel rear baskets, center kick stand, and the built-in frame lock that locks the rear wheel to its rear triangle. How I wish the U.S. was more like the Dutch in how the bicycle is such a mainstream means of daily transportation, shopping, recreation, etc.
The US is NOT flat as a pancake and our cities are spread out. We do need better infrastructure, but heavy inefficient Dutch upright bikes are not the answer. We have hybrid and road bikes that are more suitable.
@@shannontrainer5857 Point well taken. I actually live in a valley so anywhere I go on my bike, I have to first climb a sizeable hill to get there. But, for folks not challenged by hills, the weight of their bikes with minimal speeds and rim brakes should be just fine.
0:38 step through design is so they don't have to lift up their leg while wearing a dress or skirt Guys use straight frames for extra stiffness (pun intended)
It's more so that the skirt can hang down modestly over their legs than any inconvenience mounting a diamond frame (high crossbar) bike. If there's a high crossbar it keeps your skirt held up in front, and once the wind catches it as you start moving, it could get quite embarrassing.
The difference is being upright you can actually turn your neck and look around. A sports bike you are looking at the ground. A Dutch bid you can put your feet on the ground. Which means you can stop at traffic lights and obey the rules. Much easier to be friendly and chat with others. I’m just about to sell my mountain bike with give me neck ache for a Gazelle ebike. Stepless belt drive. No maintenance. I’m going to ride it to my local bars and cafes and enjoy the view.
It's "road bike", upright-only fundamentalist. A "sports bike" is a type of motorcycle: "A sportbike, or sports bike, is a motorcycle optimized for speed, acceleration, braking, and cornering on paved roads, typically at the expense of comfort and fuel economy by comparison with other motorcycles."
Shannon Trainer A road bike?? Every bike rides on the road (or in The Netherlands also on a bicycle path). So when you use a bike for sports activity, a sports bike as a name would be logical. Is calling a motorcycle a sports bike normal in every English speaking country or is it an American thing? As a Dutch person it feels strange to call a bike used for sports activities a road bike, because a bike (fiets in Dutch, you say upright bike) used for sports is called a sportfiets in Dutch (we glue words together to one new word). Another language can be confusing.
P Constructor A sports bike is a motorcycle like the Kawasaki Ninja or a Ducati. That’s the problem with Dutch upright bike fanboys/fan girls like yourself. This is a road bike(wegfiets), by the way: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Road_bicycle Sports bike(sportsmotor in Dutch): en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sport_bike
Thank you! Even I am finding it difficult to get an upright bicycle here in India. The stores are full of these modern mountain bikes and road bikes. Here too the notion of an upright bicycle with no central rod is pursued to be a feminine bike.
Indestructible: YES! I rode a Gazelle Dutch Bike with 3 gears for 35 years for my daily rides in town, loads of shopping, and some tours. I still love the upright position that helps to communicate face to face, and being aware of my surrounding. (Though I think about buying a Singlespeed since I saw the video here on this channel 🤓)
@@shannontrainer5857 Americans ride bicycles with four wheels, 8 airbags and a couple hundred horsepower. In other words, Dutch people actually use bikes for transportation, even grannies and kids, while Americans barely use them, and only for sport. And we have insufferable gate keepers who love shaming people for not riding a sporty enough bicycle, wearing lycra, and arriving at their destination drenched in sweat.
Now that I have stuff on my rear cargo rack it is really hard to get my leg over the frame. I will be looking at low step frames in the future for sure!
Ah yea. Ive been in that situation too. You have to get your leg in between the steer and saddle over the high cross bar. Annoying. You should see if you can use a front cargo rack and or use bike bags. For cargo, high cross bars are better.
Learn the high step. Put your left pedal almost all the way on top just pay vertical. , in a middle or higher gear. Now Step on it with your left foot and use it like a ladder step to step r body up and tie right leg over your bar and over to ground on the other side. Now you have one leg on each side of the bike, so mount the saddle. Later on you can go straight to the saddle but this is the first step. Very few people know how to do this.
I think the thing that works mainly depends on the rider's biology (and the road conditions) I had lived in the Netherlands for a while, had a sort-of upright bike, it was fine there, no real distances in Utrecht either, moved back to Hungary, was looking for that kind of vibe, started commuting. In NL longest commute was 20-30 minutes, on great roads. Here 30-50 minutes on not so great roads. My butt started to hurt like crazy, and a more cushioned saddle just cut off blood flow... The solution was to get more weight on my arms. Now I am on a sporty bike with a narrow saddle, medium wide tires, all the pain is gone, and it is way more comortable than any bike I ever rode. I don't think everyone should own an upright bike, but it does not hurt to try one ofcourse :)
Dutch bikes work fine on dead level ground with good infrastructure, however that is not the case in most places. A lighter bicycle will make a dramatic difference. I worke in a US bike shop for thirty years and we charged a signicantly higher amount for flat fixes- it takes an hour to get the rear wheel off!
I ride an actual Dutch bike here in Australia and I love it. The theory that these bikes are only good for short distances and flat roads is simply not true. I've done a 16km round trip on my bike and there are certainly hills where I live. These bikes are genuinely commuter bikes, used to get from A to B reliably, comfortably and without all the sweat.
They *are* only good for very short distances and flat roads. I find it extremely difficult to believe that you did a 10-mile round trip on a Dutch bike. More like 10 miles over 5 days. Also, nobody rides Dutch bikes up hills. Instead, they dismount and walk.
@@saarbrooklynrider2277 I ride my bike everywhere and it's never impeded my ability to get there an back. Some hills can be tough (for all of us) but on a Dutch style bike there's a certain riding technique you have use to get up the hill. It's never stopped me
@@cyclingzen824 "A utility bicycle, city bicycle, urban bicycle, European city bike (ECB), Dutch bike, classic bike or simply city-bike, is a bicycle designed for frequent very short, very slow rides through very flat urban areas." -Sorce: Wikipedia As upright-Dutch-bike-only fundamentalist, you should understand that.
@@therealdutchidiot I'd rather listen to a person who puts in at least 20-30+ miles a day through some hilly/mountainous terrain rather than a person who puts in, at most, 4 miles in the flattest country in the world.
The reason for woman’s bikes with lower bars has more to do with dress code at time then anatomy. In the late 1890’s woman wore long dresses & skirts. A high bar was not practical for them.
@@Shifter_Cycling I think the logic was also that men are, on average, heavier and put greater stress on the frame. Steel used to be not as strong, so a stronger triangular geometry helped make the frame strong enough without adding too much weight. These days with modern materials and manufacturing techniques it isn't necessary, just traditional.
@@Shifter_Cycling That's a question someone having a channel about bicycles should not have to ask. Try out a proper bike with a diamond shape frame (e.g. straigh top bar). They're much stiffer and thus are much safer and better to handle, especially at higher speeds.
If you want the feeling of riding an actually la-z-boy, try a recumbent trike. My trike seat has lumbar support and it's a joy to ride every time I'm on it, even today when I was going uphill into a 25mph headwind; I just put it in a low gear and kept pedaling my recliner on wheels.
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You forgot the most important point: the upright position makes it super easy to look over your shoulder. You need that in a busy city.
No it doesn't. On the road bike I look under my shoulder. It is more comfy. Plus your speed is just little less like speed limit in the city which is 50km/h here.
@@averageuncle8176 Sounds very strenuous and you can't check both sides in 1 sec.
@@weetikissa In the Europe we don't have a stop signs on every corner. In the city the most roads are one way with lights on the intersections. Outside of the city i will keep a garmin to find me a good road. A service road, Eurovelo, cycling path. Dutch bikes are popular on the vilages.
No it's not. I even find it easier to do on a road bike. When upright you have to twist much further staying in a horizontal plane so getting both eyes on the road behind you is really hard, on a road bike, you twist your head on an angle, so your eyes are vertical over each other and you peak over your shoulder. Much quicker and easier.
Still love upright bikes, they were the way of transport my entire childhood. They meant uncomplicated freedom and autonomy.
No special bike gear or clothes, just a bike.
@Robert so you turn before checking what's coming? Looking over your shoulder is the equivalent of looking in the side mirror of your car.
The upright position makes you look other road users straight in the eyes, which is very useful for "negotiating" the right of way in any Dutch city during rush our. The Dutch bikes are sturdy, practical and build for comfort, not for speed.
I don't know how long they last, I've only had my Gazelle for 30 years, too soon to tell.
This is a great point, and one that I did not mention. Thanks for sharing. And please let us know how that Gazelle works out 30 more years from now!
Short distance comfort. After 4-5 miles your pelvis will starts to hurt.
@@Shifter_Cycling Have had Gazelle Free for 12 years. That model forced a position that was just a bit inclined wrt to the classical upright. 3 internal speeds, literally no maintenance. Great for shopping and short commute, but anything beyond 5 km induces a boredom, which becomes unbearable if you need to negotiate a 6 bf wind. Switched to American style sport hybrid when my commute grew to 14 km one way. Still borrow my wife's upright when go shopping or just around a corner.
@@shannontrainer5857 No. How did you came to that conclusion?
Wim Ahlers Because instead of your body weight being evenly distributed across your butt, hands and-most importantly-feet, all of your weight will be on your butt, which will cause pain in the pelvis after 4-5 miles. But you, being a Dutchman, typically don’t ride far enough to worry about that.
Dutch bikes usually come with a chain guard, splash protection over both tires, and a lock. A lot of thought has gone into what people need to make cycling comfortable and practical.
Also don't forget the very important thing below the rack, typically a transparent plastic guard at the rear tire sides to keep dangling bits of clothing from going into the spokes. As they get older and see some rough times one or both might be missing, but on just about any new one they'll be there.
I'm quite happy with my AXA lock as well that has a normal frame lock going through the rear tire but also has an insertion point opposite of the key which can retain a chain thing. See this dutch video by the manufacturer that demonstrates it: ruclips.net/video/dYq4WP-A_fI/видео.html
Might not be as secure as some other ways to lock things up (only one lock to defeat), but it's certainly convenient and quick to use.
@@extrastuff9463 Most thieves aim for the ones that look "easiest". If your lock looks intimidating enough, they will shift their attention to other bikes that seem to be "less protected".
I'm in the Philippines, bought my Japanese surplus "mamachari" (mom's chariot) for under $80. A Bridgestone Albelt with an aluminum mid-bar unisex frame, three speed geared hub, fenders, basket, belt guard. Yeah, that's not a typo. Bridgestone made a belt drive for the Japanese domestic market after they closed their US division. Their design wasn't as durable as it could have been so I'm running a chain right now but I've got a belt capable frame if I ever want to convert.
you're right. the bike he's riding wouldn't be considered an authentic Dutch bike because it lacks the items you mentioned. Also, the handlebars should really curve back more. It's typically equipped with lights plus Internal gear hub and a pleasant sounding bell. (very important feature)
For me, no padding in bike shorts, carbon saddle without gel cover, 22mm tubular at 100psi
I wish they would stop calling step thru frames "Ladies" models. They are actually perfect comfortable bikes for dudes.
But they are made so ladies can ride bike wearing dress or skirt. That's why it's called a ladies' bike.
They just need to lose the bar, it ain't just dudes who find them uncomfortable and painful.
But why would I want to ride a bike wearing a skirt now days, maybe in the 20's through the 50's ... Now women can wear pants lol
@@oliviajayneslucas6779 Whether you want to ride in a dress or trousers is your choice, but it is still called a ladies bike because you can ride it wearing a dress. Where I live, it is not uncommon to see women cycling wearing dresses during the summer period.
@@oliviajayneslucas6779 we gotta keep the bar option for people like me; I use the bar constantly when biking to quickly ascend/descend stairs by sliding it onto my shoulder like a bag and strolling up 😅 I'm too short + my arms r too weak to carry a Dutch bike up (I've tried it before - doesn't work) bc I can't maintain the height clearance I need over the steps or I get hit by the front wheel bc I'm busy grappling with the frame.
In Finland, this style of bike is one of the most common and it's referred as a granny bicycle. However they are used by everyone and there is little to no stigma to using one for anyone. I've always preferred one over anything else.
Here in the Philippines, we call it a Japanese bike. Our country imports a lot of second hand Japanese bikes because of its good quality and low cost.
Really underrated bikes. They're just too comfy.
mamachari
I find it very relaxing every time I ride my mamachari or Japan bike
I've found a lot of asian countries also importing Japanese second hand bikes. Makes me wonder how many bikes Japan is actually generating to be able to supply an entire continent with their old bikes.
Here in Myanmar, too.
"Step-through" bikes are easier for older riders who can't 'throw their leg' over the seat/saddle. Also in the event of a crash or fall [which will eventually happen] you don't or won't harm your private area.
In the past, step through bikes were meant for women, as back then women usually wore skirts.
My main bike is a step-through frame 3-speed "girls" bike from the 70s but I been riding so long I still swing my leg over the seat to get on. Sometimes I pass roadies on my modified girl's bike.
"Don't buy upgrades, ride up grades"
- Eddy Merckx
@@hatbpto5180 Considering that you ride no more than 12-14 mph, the road cyclists were passing you at 25-30 mph as you were holding them up. Nice attempt at lying, though.
@@shannontrainer5857 Dude! 😛
@@shannontrainer5857 "holding them up" ah yes only Lycra-clad weirdos can bike
I had neck surgery years ago, and gave up biking because I could lean forward and look up to ride a normal US road or mtb. I'm glad that this form factor is becoming more popular in the US especially as ebike manufacturers are adopting these for commuters and utility riders. I finally got a Dutch bike and can enjoy getting out on the paths again without hurting my neck.
Genuine all-steel Dutch bike?
May it serve you well for decades, good sir!
My ebike, a Magnum Cosmo X, has a step through frame and it's great. At some point I wanna get an actual dutch style bike that way I can have an upright bike for trips and not have a battery to worry about in case I wanna do all the effort myself
As a Dutchy allow me to explain the girls vs guys bike thing. A little less than half a century ago the frames weren't as sturdy as they are now, back then that high cross bar was really important for the rigidity of the front end of the frame. The stepthrough frame was really a compromise so women could ride a bike even with a skirt, but it did mean that when steering you could twist the front end of the frame sideways and because the low cross bar wasn't just a straight tube they were also slightly more expensive. So basically you're getting a more expensive and less durable bike just for the ability to wear a skirt while riding (and having an easier mount/dismount). Not something you're gonna if you aren't ever wearing skirts or aren't physically able to do the old roundhouse kick over the baggage carrier.
The round house kick is a problem if you have a lot of groceries or other tall items on the rack.
Yep, nowadays step through frames from good brands are very stiff.
The fact is it's a better image for women to be on women's styled bikes. Something is missing culturally and aesthetically when they aren't doing that. It's the same thing about them wearing proper women's clothes riding a bike or not.
Nonsense.
@@derekjolly3680I don't want to lump the dutch in with us Germans but people really don't care about how strangers are dressed. The social pressure to dress a certain way (outside of work that is) is pretty much non existent.
This is very true. I'm Dutch but have lived in Ireland over a decade. My bike here is an 'urbanised' mountain bike; road tyres and mudguards but still 21 gears (of which I use 5) and a lean-forward position. And yes, I cycle faster here than I did in the Netherlands. On this bike I can't ride with one hand on the handle bars and a shopping bag in the other, because braking puts weight on that one hand which makes you turn the handle bars. Constantly leaning on your arms and hands is uncomfortable, more so when you go slower. The steering is more nervous; on a Dutch bike I'd happily cycle long stretches, including turns, with my hands off the bars altogether. On my Irish bike I'm afraid to take my hands off going straight if it's windy.
You missed an important part of the proper Dutch bike: the kick-back brake. Instead of two brakes you squeeze with your hands you simply pedal in reverse to brake. This again makes it easier to cycle with one or no hands on the handle bars.
And coaster brakes are intuitive to boot. Forward to accelerate, reverse to slow down.
@Ronald Vallenduuk I don't ride one-handed with a parcel anymore. It hindered me, especially in an emergency. I wear a backpack. But I ride a mix of bike paths and some heavy traffic.
Well a "21 GeArS" MTB has at most 10 gears if you discount overlap and cross-chaining, so half that isn't bad. I have one and use around 6 of them constantly, though it's nice to have the others for big climbs or when I need to outrun a bus to get out of its way like it happened this morning 😅
You sY "the steering is more nervous" but I have made the opposite observations: I have never seen a person on an upright bike who I felt like they were really in complete Control of said bike. They always seemed much less ready amd capable for any emergency maneuvering, since steering just with the hands will induce counter-steer by weight. So I see the setting Position benefits, but I hate to have to Deal with those bikes in traffic, since I can judge them even less than cars.
I agree . Dutch bikes a beautiful ..but in lreland .they would not work well .. with potholes ..Wind ..And HILLS ...
I Wish lived in Holland .
Yep! You're totally right about how it feels. I'm a middle aged man and I ride a step through with an upright seating position and swept back handlebars. I love it. I recommend it to everyone. Not too many men here in Dublin riding step throughs but we are growing in numbers.
I like to ride the upright bike set way back on the saddle and crunched over. It's better than riding a road bike because the weight is off your hands, with swept back bars and adjustable stem pulled back you can hold on, it feels like pulling on the bars instead of leaning on them. Pedaling is from a strong position like that, as well.
I never thought it would be like that when I bought the bike - no hand numbness, no pressure on the nether region.
I'm in my early 50's. I can see a step-through frame being useful in older years when one is a bit more creaky 😁
So true!
Another option is a bike with slammed stem so you could swing your leg over low bars instead of much higher saddle)
I know - I've tried!
All you need to do is lower the bike to 45° or more and you can get your leg over easy enough. I was thinking about this because I bought a saddle bag which sticks out and up quite a bit if full. I'm 61 and not fit at all.
@@alfred1925 If that works for you that's good. I don't think that I would want to be tipping my bike when I had 2 panniers of shopping on it though.
i have a schwinn hollywood. thats the most comfortable ride i have next to my MGX atlas i rebuilt into a ss
I hate the fact that step-through bikes have been gendered like that. It just makes sense to me, in an urban setting, where I have to often stop and step down from the saddle on crossroads and such, to have a step-through frame, regardless of rider's gender or whether they wear pants or a skirt. Also an upright position makes a lot of sense from an awareness standpoint, being able to more easily see your surroundings without having to crane your neck is essential in the city.
It goes back to when women wore long skirts.
All of this arbitrary gendering is content for r/arethestraightsok and whoever started calling step through frames women's bikes is NOT okay
Also, there are some very specific reasons for guys not to want a metal bar right there.
They have not been "gendered". They were originally adapted from men's bikes so women could ride bikes as well. The original bicycle frame is very stiff, and very little energy is absorbed. The frame on ladies' bikes flex a lot more, absorbing a lot of energy. When I was a letter carrier, I would always pick a step-through for convenience, but not for private use.
@@KlipsenTube To add to your point. iirc, at some point the women's model was weaker (perceived or otherwise) due to the absence of the horizontal bar. Nowadays there is little to no practical difference between both frames in terms of strength
You're correct about the state of mind. My day starts with a 45 minute commute. My head is clear, I sort out things to do for the rest of the day, get my best idea's and write my best letters ... all in my mind, while riding.
You said it perfectly. Up right is so much more comfortable and need to get around town, run errands, and have fun. Also, Step Through is so much better, especially as you get older and carry pannier or other rear rack bags. I used to be the other guy. I have gotten wiser. Love my step through.
up right means more pressure on your butt though. you will never see something going long distance on a bike with upright posture. headwinds and saddlesores will plague you. also step thrus generally have lower bottom brackets which increases the risk of you falling off the bike in sharp turns due to your pedals or foot hitting the floor, also theyre less rigid which means less durable. some step thrus even have shorter dimensions which arent meant for mens sizes.
I live in Essex, UK. I lived in Holland for 10 years. After my return I bought a cheapy road cruiser bike, and slowly adapted it to be a Dutch set up bicycle.
It’s my pride and joy.
That's lovely :-) Is the cycle infrastructure okay there?
@@Snowshowslow . It's fine, others will say no, most main roads have designated (white lines) cycle lanes, but some main roads with housing allow cars to park on the cycle lane, but those in their petrol/diesel/electric motor powered metal boxes are obliging!
@@thebohemian. Ah, parking in the cycle lane would annoy me hugely. But the most important thing is that drivers take you into account :-) In the end, that's the main source of safety.
@@zUJ7EjVD Where in the world are you?
@@zUJ7EjVD Import a bike from Japan, they are known by Mamachari there.
When we have a tall basket at the back, it is difficult to get onto the bike by the usual men's way. So girl-style frame is quite convenient for any gender.
I'd find it threatening to my masculinity.
@@jwhippet8313 I'm past caring about that.
I don't have any problems passing my leg over the seat but when I started carrying crates I found it troublesome
A friend use step thro one and I told him it's a girl's bike he replied by saying that it's convenient when you're carrying groceries
@@jwhippet8313 could be the lack of breeding and or inferiority complex makes you worry about how you look, be above it .
@@jwhippet8313 Because trying something different is just this whole female thing, right?
You hit the nail right on the head when you made the point about handlebar position affecting your state of mind. I have mostly ridden Dutch style or English roadster style bikes all my life and that sit up straight position just makes you chill out. Put me on a straight bar bike and I automatically feel I should be hurrying. You'd think if you just told yourself to cycle more slowly that would fix it, but you forget and suddenly find yourself cycling in a hurry. Weird but true! I prefer the sit up straight bikes, its like meditating in a mad world. :)
Brought my Dutch (grandma-) bike to Canada when I moved from the Netherlands. Crate at the front and two big bags on the back; perfect. Nothing beats them!
My dad has an old Gazelle which used to belong to his dad, it's from just post ww2 and it's still going strong! Although a lot of parts have been replaced by now because well... Look how old it is but the frame still has 0 rust, almost no damage to the still original paint, it's been very well taken care of and it now serves as my dad's commuter for inner city travel
One day it could be yours
I rented a brand new upright bike in Fethiye Turkey for one month recently. It was awesome, great handle bar 7 gear shifter, had a basket on the front...my manhood looked at the bike initially and thought..no way, 30 minutes later I was sold. The bike was solid, handled the hills with ease. Getting on and off was not a challenge.
As a Dutch man, i sweat by the 'upright bikes'. And until my mid 40s or so, I would still overtake many who cycle on sports bikes if I want or need to go fast. Its versatile, comfortable and allows great overview of the traffic. And you feel the wind more through your hair. And you can bring a few bags, transport a friend ... oh well, you get the idea.
Are dutch bike good for long cycles
@@ccka1970 Not really they're heavy asf and not very aerodynamic. It's ok if you want to cruise all the way there but really imo anything more than 30 mins of cycling and it just gets tiring. A hybrid/road bike would be way nicer if you want to go on a trip somewhere or have a really long commute.
I hear even the Dutch have a distain for the lycra clad "bicycle racers" hitting the streets.
@@themadscientest Who doesn't ;) They just screem midlife crisis
@@phantomflame0658 Headwind: Dutch Hill.
I'm 58 and commute on an upright Breezer Freedom, 3 speed IGH, men's style. If I ever need a new bike, it will definitely be a step-through. So much easier to mount and dismount with slacks on and to heck with what people think.
I bought my wife a Giant Sedona (step-thru design) with a small frame, and the adjustable stem. She has carpel tunnel syndrome, and with the stem almost all the way up, it helps. After cleaning it up, I took it for a ride and couldn't believe how much more comfortable it was. I'm now in the process of converting my 1996 Schwinn Moab into a casual commuter. Riding the Sedona inspired me to start this project.
That's an interesting perspective I've never considered.
I bought an electric mountain bike last year but ride it mostly in the city and I often find myself in the bike lane with hands on my pockets, sitting upright, relaxed, and just enjoying the day.
I never thought there were bikes made to do just that xD (but with hands on the handles, of course)
Give it a try.
upright is fine if youre going short distance and dont have to encounter strong winds, otherwise your ass and legs are going to be tortured
I have had a racing bike(s) all my life! I’ve ridden mountain bikes a lot too but I LOVE SPEED! Much to my dismay, my wife insisted on a Dutch girlies bike; and I bought her a Polygon Oosten Dutch bike. Now I have an expensive super awesome light-weight racing bike which I LOVE! But I gotta say .. YOU ARE RIGHT!! I totally LOVE riding her bike. Probably even more than mine! I cannot believe how good it is sitting upright with the pedals forward as you say; and I totally want one myself!!
At 70 I have been riding bikes for the past 60 years and I now have a Three speed Pashley Princess step thru girlie bike. I absolutely love it and it is the most comfortable bike I have ever ridden with its sprung saddle and upright riding position. 🙂
I love my Electra Townie! I purposely traded in my mountain bike -- the bike of my wild youth -- for a comfort/cruiser simply because I was older and my lifestyle was now different. I've had my beloved Townie since 2011, and I love knowing that it should last me the rest of my life. It's a gorgeous bike, the pewter colour, and I've decked it out with woven baskets on the rear rack from the Nantucket Bike Basket Company. I feel classy on this bike. I feel like I don't need to strap on the athletic gear and try to impress anyone. I'm on my Townie for me and I love that I can look approachable by people as I ride by, instead of a speed demon trying to do a workout. It really is a state of mind, and I like more of who I am on this bike than I ever did on my mountain bike. It also makes me want to ride it all the time. On my mountain bike, I rode it mainly to *go biking*, but on my Townie, I want to ride it everywhere in town whether I'm off to the post office, to the market, to the library.. it doesn't matter. It's mainly replaced my car in the warmer-weather months with pleasure.
My links:
electra.trekbikes.com/us/en_US/townie/
www.nantucketbikebaskets.com/
I ride a 17 year old Townie. I used to ride it as a commuter in Vancouver. I don't use it as much anymore but I still love being on my bike. It's very comfortable.
I've got a 1990's hybrid bike which I put butterfly bars on, and with my hands on the near bars, it puts me in the upright dutch-bike-like riding position, while the rest of the butterfly bar gives me other options for windy days or more aero riding. The main advantage of uprights, is the ability to look around without getting a crick in one's neck. I call it my "tourist" mode.
I recently got an Electra Vale e-bike and it’s a very Dutch styled cruiser. Absolutely love it, after having only ever ridden mountain bikes. The lazy body position plus the very low center of gravity with the motor/battery makes it such a gem to cruise around on.
I live in Novi Sad, Serbia, and I can't even imagine my life without the Dutch bike lol... It's probably the flattest city in the country and has good bike infrastructure... Separate bike lanes almost everywhere, and it's next to pedestrian lanes, not with car lanes, so that's awesome as well.
It's just super comfortable, which is the most important thing for commuting to me... Super fat and comfortable saddle, even has a little suspension thing in the seat post, on top of fat springs in the saddle... Almost completely upright seating position, nice fat leather grips with palm support on very curved bars... Even has 3 gears built into the hub, which I almost never shift, always in the easy gear lol... And I completely agree with the different state of mind compared to riding an aggressive MTB or road bike... You just cruising at like 10 - 20 km/h, eating ice-cream, not a worry in the world lol.
And I've had it for like 10 years and other than a few flat tires and lubing the chain once in a while, I literally never serviced it, ever, and it still works perfectly fine... It's catching up here and there are now a loooot of these bikes around...
Hope it catches up there as well because it's just an awesome bike! Most of them are steel frames and wheels and super simple... They never break, because there are very few things that can break lol and even if something does break, it's super easy and cheap to fix it...
I live in Westerville, Ohio (a suburb of Columbus), with easy access to the Ohio-Erie Trail (Cleveland to Cincinnati). Everything I need from the outside world is available within a 15 mile bike-path round trip -- groceries, hardware, home improvement, auto parts, the two biggest malls (Polaris and Easton).
My bike is a 1970's Schwinn Continental. The frame is a tank and I love it! It's been upgraded with modern components and converted over to 700c tires/rims. The handlebars are straight mountain bike style with aero bull horns added for when I want to cover serious distances of 40 to 200 miles. I basically use the bike for sport, minimal grocery getting, and pleasure low-intensity touring. There's almost no reason to own a car... you'd think such utilitarian and practical bicycles like the various Dutch configurations would be prevalent here. Allas, this is America. The automobile is, for the time being, too entrenched in the culture, landscape, and social acceptance/requirements. This will change as population densities increase and automobile costs continue to bite deeper into the wallets of everyday folks.
A utilitarian bike needs click-to-install front and rear racks/baskets capable of taking on twenty pounds of cargo. There's also a host of other day-in-and-day out improvements needed like front hub dynamos, fenders, and the like.
Such animals are unexplainably rare in the wild. I find that odd, interesting, and opportunity-presenting all at the same time.
It is absolutely amazing what you can see on a bicycle that you miss when taking the same route in a car. Of course, if you're in the city on your bike then you have to be 100% focused on riding safely and avoided the motor vehicles. But otherwise the bike is so much more enjoyable. It's a shame that the world loves the car so much.
The top tube on a so-called "men's bicycle" had nothing to do with male or female back when the safety bicycle was invented. It was simply a triangular frame and the top tube made the frame solid. Even today, the triangular frame with the top tube is the strongest bike frame of them all (notice on some Dutch bikes a second top tube is added for even more strength). But when women started driving safety bicycles, it became a challenge for them because back in the 1890s nearly all women wore dresses. Also, it was considered improper manners for a woman to raise her leg high, as she needed to get it over the top tube. Also her dress could not cover her properly because the top tube held it up, exposing the bottom opening of her dress, her legs... and possibly more. Oh! The ladies couldn't bear the thought! Nor could they drive a bicycle side-saddle, like they did on their horses. Something had to be done!
Solution? Well, first, some men thought a woman on a bicycle was a no-no. They were terrified she might get too independent and slack off on house and family duties. So some women and their daughters simply weren't allowed to drive bicycles. But for those women and girls who could and would mount up, the triangular frame of the safety bicycle was redesigned to market to women. With the top tube removed, she could easily step into the bicycle frame, dress and all, and drive away without fear of looking improper or--God forbid!--exposing her precious self!
So, the so-called, "girl's bike" was in fact originated as and designated as a girl's bike--or--a bicycle for girls, if you prefer. Nowadays of course most people, men and women, boys and girls go around almost naked and with loose fitting shorts and T-shirts, so it would seem the traditional girl's bike would be obsolete by now. Not so fast. Men and women enjoy the top-tubeless design for personal reasons. Many women still want to be proper and mount up with safety, ease and style and not look silly while they're doing it (my wife is one of these).
Meantime drive whatever bike you like. The only person it need matter to anymore is you. As for me, the only kind of bike I drive anymore is a fatbike with a sturdy steel frame (and of course a top-tube). Anything else is useless to my mind. If your tires aren't at least three inches wide I don't even want to know you!
Thank you.
Yes I keep telling people this. 👍😎
This may also have to do with the weight, men generally weigh more than women so to bear that weight you need stronger frame as simple as that.
@@sanasiddiqui5774 Agreed. I have driven girl's style bicycles and destroyed them. I weigh over two hundred pounds and drive my all steel frame bicycles mercilessly over any kind of terrain you can imagine, from 110+ degrees Fahrenheit to -30 degrees Fahrenheit. A girl's style frame simply cannot hold up and they bent, deformed and wobbled when I punished them. And for that matter almost daily you see plenty of women out there on road bikes and mountain bikes and the frames are always top tube fortified. It's a much, much stronger frame. In my world, girl style frames are useless.
TheMNBlackBear Agree I have seen women riding mountain bikes and all had top tube frame. I guess it boils down to usage, if somebody wants a city cruiser rides for leisure/recreation/small commute or a heavy duty bike for riding miles / adventure.
The point of women raising their legs to sit is still valid to this date, I mean I would be more comfortable with Dutch style as raising my leg like a gymnast in public is awkward even if I am clad in jeans 👖 or palazzo.
I never understood the cross bar on men's bikes. It just makes sense you'd want to protect your parts.
Frame is stronger.
For a given strength, the frame can be lighter.
Probably not an issue for relaxed cycling!
It's not as relevant now, because materials and manufacturing tech has improved, but the high cross bar for extra strength for a heavier rider.
Might be a late reply, but I thought all bikes had a straight ball crushing frame when first produced. Then, as women began to cycle as well but were always wearing dresses back in the 19th century, they made a women's frame by lowering the bar so that they would not have their dress hang over the frame but instead the dresses would be decently lowered so that they would not be embarrassed.
@@scientiadetpacem7930
That might have been true in those long ago days. But is not an issue nowadays.
Today there is another reason for a step through frame. Both for men as well as for women.
That is, it is common to have a small child in a childseat sitting on the backrack.
With a man's bike you get on your bicycle by swinging your leg over the backrack.
Which would be a karate hit if a child would be there.
Hence, many families with young children own and use bicycles with the step through frame.
A step through frame is also easier for the less nimble elderly.
reference(s):
ruclips.net/video/SfLJ876lXsQ/видео.html
ruclips.net/video/FLRrA-rKY-Q/видео.html
In the following video you can see the awkwardness and balancing problems when mounting a bicycle with a rear childseat when it is not a step through frame. And this specific bicycle does not even have the higher vertical bar that you see on the traditional men's diamond shape bicycle frames. On those bicycles it will be even higher to cross the vertical bar. See:
ruclips.net/video/dnY2eFnAJn0/видео.html
The following shows how cycling is made safer in The Netherlands. See:
ruclips.net/video/vrrzFnzYUXI/видео.html . (proactive)
In most other countries they simply say to wear a helmet to be safe. And never, or very rarely, make streets and intersections bicycle friendly, that is, safe to cycle. This is how we deal with accidents, see:
ruclips.net/video/YeJ-d86pKsw/видео.html . (reactive)
About cycling safety in The Netherlands in general see (dated 2014):
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@@wimahlers Jep that is true. My girlfriend and I bought two bikes last year. One with the a straight bar frame and one with the women's frame. My bike has got a childseat in front (I think you can legally use it for a baby from 9 months old) and we have the other rear bike seat on the bike with a women frame. Since we are still young we both use each other's bike; have to say, before I bought this bike I can't remember last time I rode a bike with the straight bar. I think I never have done that before, always used the women frame bike since that was very convenient (and I always got used bikes from somebody else because I never really needed a completely new bike).
I changed the stems on my "men's" bikes to raise the handlebar so I can sit more upright. Sitting upright shifts the seat pressure from the nether region to the "seat bones" towards the back. This necessitates a change to a more cushiony seat. Overall, a much more comfortable and relaxing ride. The remaining thing that bothers me is that I still have to lift my legs to go over the top tube to get off the bike.
I am a 54 years old woman, and overweight. I get " skin saddle pain" on a bike with a soft cushioned saddle. I need to have my own hard leather saddle to avoid a painful skin and avoid sweating down there. I do experience saddle pain after not cycling for some weeks like with going on holiday or now, after being in isolation because of having Corona, but that saddle pain is deep inside "sit bone pain" . It requires to cycle very often to grow sit meat around my sitbones again in order to get rid of saddle pain. I am cycling upright so all the weight is on those tiny sit bones and it requires to keep or make the muscles and other inside tissue around it strong again. Also it is better for me to sit on hard surfaces in general to keep " sit meat" strong and not spoiled with soft cushions.
All excellent points that are right on in my experience. I’ve been riding a true Dutch bike for over a decade now. With traditional wrap around bars I feel more like I’m getting into my bike than on it. Hard to describe but it can be felt. Also, riding in snow. When you’re sitting upright your front wheel isn’t as loaded. This makes cruising over slick spots less risky and makes it possible to let the bars wiggle and wobble back & forth as the front wheel goes over and through ruts in the snow. The typically wide tires help here too. My bike is super heavy, like over 60lbs. Double top tubes with a giant rack and basket up front. Stainless steel components. But comfortable for me on rides up to 25 miles each way. Definitely not in a hurry, but durability? I say you could throw my bike off of a roof and still ride it home. Comfort all around.
I can relate. I own a Bridgestone Minna I bought used. 2 wheels at the front, step through frame, upright position. The way it makes you ride it in a slower more relaxed way really is a change of perspective too. And working on old components is a different kind of enjoyable as well.
Bought a vintage made in england Raleigh 3 speed from the goodwill bins a couple days ago for 45 dollars. Absolutely love it. Everything about it is fun and charming. Your video is quite accurate.
I bought a Raleigh for $6 and years later, a homeless stole it.
The bike seen in this video is still pretty far from the standard bike in the Netherlands. On Dutch bikes you will see something covering the top parts of both tires to protect you from stuff like water and mud, fenders are also absent and they're there fro the same reason. I don't know if there's a kickbrake on the bike shown in the video, but that's also usually present on Dutch bikes.
Indeed, it's not a Dutch bike but a standard upright bike. Some some gear missing. Nice bike still.
Hey Tom, my family and I toured about 12 nations in Europe a couple of years ago. These bikes were predominant and everywhere. To be honest, you have to watch out more for the bikes than you do the cars. Clearly in places like the Netherlands and Scandinavia the average person has a different attitude than those of us in the USA, Canada, UK and Australia when it comes to bikes. To the average Dutch person it seems to me that they are just seen as a practical and comfortable commuter machine. I agree, we need to see more of these in more countries. I am sure we would be a lot healthier if we did, certainly those of us that are down-under. It is a mindset thing that we need to confront. At the end of the day the government in the Netherlands and Scandinavia, as well as other parts of Europe, design their city road systems in favour of the bike and to encourage a more healthy lifestyle. I hope we can catch up soon! Thanks for this Tom. I have been wanting to say it for a while and you did a far better job than I could!
Thanks a lot for this posting. A couple of years ago I saw a Johnny Loco delivery bike that seemed so interesting to me . I passed it up but never forgot the impression it made on me. Recently I started thinking about buying a bicycle that would give the kind of ride you talk about. I had a hard time explaining to my wife what I wanted and now thanks to you I now have a persuasive argument. Luckily, even though the Johnny Loco delivery bike is not being built, I found a new one on eBay. I bought it.
Never heard it being called a Dutch bike before 😂 That’s like a standard bicycle here in Sweden. 😊
I think it's called a Dutch bike (at least in North America) because The Netherlands are world famous for their cycling infrastructure. As such that style of bike, despite being common throughout Western/Northern Europe, is associated with the Dutch.
@@LanceAvion
Worse still, the "Dutch" bike actually is a British invention.
The traditional diamond shape frame, the chain design, mudguards and coaster brake was invented in the UK.
See, among others: roadswerenotbuiltforcars.com/dutchbike/
Sweden is part of the Netherlands, and Oslo is a province in the the part of Sweden, in the Netherlands... please learn some topography. Hope to see you in our Dutch city Helsinki or Kopenhagen. Yours sincerely every Dutch person. ;-)
@@lapland123
You forgot to mention the UK only became glorius after a revolution where they begged a Dutch guy to become their king. I mean he did not just invade and kick out the king but made the Brits beg for it.
So for any glory after this event the Brits should thank us Dutch:)
On a serious note, it was more of a popular type of bike everywhere until cars took over. We Dutch just had more appreciation for the bike and considered the fatalities cars caused, so we started making room for both on the road.
Something that is still a work in progress in the rest of the world and I would even say still a work in progress for us Dutch as well.
@@lapland123 Really? I'm willing to believe this but for the fact there is no mention of this...anywhere
I’ve only been biking regularly for a year but I can imagine after enough years on a sporty bike you would welcome the change of an upright bike
could also be a question of fashion trends. Like cars: these days upper-medium cars are advertised as "sporty". 95% of the mileage is spent in crowded highways and sitting in traffic jams, still people are all about horsepowers, acceleration and speed in corners, handling. I totally get it when someone is young and passionate about driving - or cycling, in this case. Most people, however, just want to move. For them, step-through upright with minimum complication, fenders, package racks.
I wanna get one one day.
I'm from Copenhagen and ride a bike like this and I can tell you: You can race it if you like :-) Weight is around 50 pounds (more when loaded with goods) and you get plenty of high pulse and endophines trying to hang on to the road/mountain/electric biker that just passed you by and thought he/she could get away with it :-) Also, removing the mud guards is an absolute no go in the climate around here - and looks weird too :-)
I'm Dutch and I live in the Netherlands. What I like about Dutch bikes is that I can use them for urban commuting, as well as going for a ride with the intensity of a (brisk) walk (of course over here there is infrastructure for that).
So although not sporty, definitely useful for going for a round of fresh air and burning some calories in a relaxed way.
I haven't been on a road bike for a while and started looking at gravel bikes, imagining my 20 year-old self riding on trails. Your video reminded me that I'm 67, and I might actually enjoy pain- and stress-free rides, mostly on flats. And now, electric step-thru bikes are cool. Thanks for the reality check!
A key point that you forgot to mention. These bikes are for commuting, you do not want to be dripping with sweat when you arrive at work after all.
How does a e.g. a road bike that's lighter to ride make you sweat more when commuting? It's the other way around. Ride the sports bike calmly like pros do and you won't sweat.
@@McSlobo it's the position and mindset. Like he said in the video. Upright bike feels like an armchair or couch. It slows you down, gives you more overview of what is happening around you etc.
@@McSlobo A sports bike is a motorcycle.
@@McSlobo first of your question is the wrong way around. It should rather be: how does an "oma fiets", as these dutch bikes are called, make you sweat less? (especially when not a pro, we are talking about a simple commute bike after all.)
To answer that I can go into the position one has when riding a bike like that and how it is forcing you into a lower energy output. But instead, I will just counter with: "decades of experience, it's not focused on pro's after all, rather it should just work efficiently effectively and without to much effort"
Hey Tom -- I enjoyed the video, and I _completely_ agree with your perspective. My wife and I used to live in Holland and we owned vintage versions of the big Dutch bikes that are commonly referred to as "opafiets" and "omafiets" (literally "grandpa bike" and "grandma bike"), that were made by Gazelle, all-black, and weighed at least 50 lbs. We *loved* the Dutch approach to cycling.
A couple of thoughts about the resistance that a lot of Americans seem to have to such bikes -- specifically younger, urban, middle-class Americans (ironically, the very demographic that should be embracing Dutch bikes):
That demographic can be extremely status-conscious. I live in downtown San Francisco and all the time I see bike messengers riding around on $3K bikes by Cinelli, Masi, DeRosa, etc. They're not just delivering stuff, they're displaying their taste to their peers. I've even seen some on "lo-pro" (AKA time-trial) bikes that are totally unsuited for riding downtown, but it projects the image that they want. Cracking that mindset is tough.
I have a pretty big collection of bikes from the '30s through '70s (Hetchin's, deRosa, Galmozzi, Rochet, etc.). Most of them were originally fitted with drop-bars, derailleur gearing, etc. But I have set them all up the same way: with 3-speed hubs with coaster brakes, and porteur handlebars on tall stems, so it puts me into the "sit-up-and-beg" position. Those two things -- tall stem and pull-back bars -- can be done to *any* bike, and it dramatically changes one's riding position. And the 3-speed hub with coaster brake is inherently safer, and much less troublesome than derailleurs and 10-18 speeds. And the coaster brake in the rear is much safer than caliper brakes.
Finally, the upright riding position is vastly safer than a bike with drop-bars (or as I call it: the "human missile" position). Because of the angle that it forces the rider into, it makes them likely to hit anything head-first. It's *much* harder to see what's going on around you (cars getting too close, etc.), and one's peripheral vision is limited when riding with drop-bars. It's also much more tiring on the back, neck and arms. I put a few thousand miles on the streets of SF every year, and although I regularly have close-calls with motorists, I have yet to get hit or to spill. That's partly due to just being old and wary, but a lot of it is because I'm not getting distracted by shifting every block, and I can easily see around me and react to danger as needed. So yay for upright cycling!
Uhh, how are coaster brakes safer in any way than caliper brakes?
We don't need Dutch-upright-bike-only Nazis like yourself telling us what we can and cannot ride, especially when we have hills and very long commute distances.
@@MarchuxProductions mostly maintenance I'd guess.
I Haven't had a coaster brake needing maintenance. Calipers need pad replacement and cable/fluid checking.
@@MagpieManny fair point, they do require less maintenance
Oh yeah it's absolutely a state of mind too.
On my regular sporty bikes I usually go about 25-30 km/h on regular flat straight sections, but on my Dutch bike (or actually Belgian, slightly different but very close) I often only average like... 15.
And no it's not because it's actually slow and heavy, I can absolutely race around town on it at 25-30 km/h if I want to, but I usually just have no interest at all in going fast on it.
On that bike, I just wanna sit back, relax and enjoy the scenery. It's also a bike that really encourages discovering new paths, be it on the road or even on dirt roads.
I enjoyed this video because I have just rediscovered the joys of upright, slowed-down bike riding. I have a 1968 Schwinn Racer, and it meets all the criteria: upright riding with swept-back handle bars, a three speed internal hub, fenders, chain guard, a heavy but solid steel frame. Back in its heyday Schwinn was the largest U.S. manufacturer of bikes. The company had a huge factory in Chicago, where the bikes were essentially hand-built. The quality was fantastic. They used Sturmey-Archer hubs, which were equally well-built in England. These bikes were so well built a lot of them still survive and are in good condition. The most common is the Racer, with a straight bar, and the women's version of the Racer, a step through. There are other Schwinn models built on these frames that use the SA three-speed hub, but these are the most common. You can find them on Craigslist. They may need a little work - I had to do some work on my '68 Racer to get into premium riding condition. But now it rides smooth and quiet, even at 54 years old. I enjoy riding it almost every day on the American River bike trail in Sacramento, CA. I have parked my road bike for now. You can buy these old Schwinns for under $200 off of Craigslist. You can get them from eBay also, but they are generally more expensive, especially if they have to be shipped. But these bikes were built to last forever, and they do.
This is so on point. I've enjoyed my Campy Record CIOCC for many years, very fast & fun but comfortable or practical it isn't. After a RUclips binge and for the heck of it, I found an old Reynolds 531 Trek on Craigslist & built it back up as a city bike, swept back bars, fenders & thumb shifters, rack, Brooks (and yes, a kickstand). As you say, I came for the comfort and stayed for the state of mind! It's like being a kid again, just riding with zero pressure for the pure joy of it. I keep finding excuses to just take it out, return a book to the library, a 10 mile roundtrip to get coffee at Trader Joes, rain or shine and my car has been parked up for 3 weeks now. Weekends I'm doing 60+ miles on it which previously I would have considered completely ridiculous on a 32lb+ bike but I come back exactly in that zen-like state you describe, a different buzz to the Strava KOM rides on the CIOCC but no less satisfying.
And I guess the drug took hold, my Rivendell Clem Smith Jr. (the step thru version) will be delivered on Monday!
I think we're on to something here?
Very different but I bought an ebike made by Rad which I noticed you sit very much upright and it is such a chill and relaxing position makes it much more enjoyable to ride.
I so totally agree with you. I'm looking to buy a new bike cause I'm fed up leaning cramped over my steering handles. I think maybe more people would enjoy transportation cycling if there were more of these types of bicycles available. The ones available in Norway are mostly hybrid bikes and have been so for many years. I hope the bicycle manufacturers start to see the benefits of the upright bike. :)
You could also get a stem extender, or a different type of stem, or riser handlebars.
Only in flat cities on bigger than 85 square miles in size.
Your bike just doesn't fit you.
Funny, bc I have always said the same thing to my family & friends. My road bike definitely puts me in a totally competitive & different attitude/state of mind. As does my “regular” everyday hybrid bike! When I ride this one, I’m in a “kick back”, “I’m gonna enjoy my relaxed ride” mood!! But, either, what’s important is that you’re out riding & enjoying it!!!
Great video!!
I love what you said about a state of mind riding these bikes. I was given an old Huffy bike and from the moment I got on I felt so much better. My short rides decrease my anxiety and grief from losing my husband, whom I miss every waking moment. It's just such a pleasure. I can't wait to take a little ride each day. I encourage anyone who is anxious to try it. I don't go in traffic, just on my country road. It's a very zen thrill.
Thanks for your video.
Sorry to hear that you lost your husband.... RIDING is so so pleasurable and takes you outside and out of your maundset, but sometimes I imagine that that other person is right there beside me... or even watching from heaven that I am out and LOVING the fact that i am living and enjoyin myself and maybe one day there will be another person that I can enjoy the simple pleasure of what riding can bring,.... and the HEALTH benefits, both Mental and physical.... TAKE CARE OF YOURSELF....
@@MiCoopRS Thank you for your message! How nice! I will try to imagine that he's with me. It's very hard. Riding is sweet, tho.
Sorry for your loss... but indeed, riding an upright bike helps one to become part of the environment, so to speak. It's very amenable for sightseeing, and in doing so calms one's mind and helping one to find peace.
I bought my first Dutch design bike in 11 years ago while living in Manhattan; at the end of most works days I couldn’t wait for the chilled out experience of riding it; on many a weekend I’d pack a book, a tall bottle of Canadian brew, a deli sandwich, and head off to a quiet corner somewhere in Central Park; it was, as you put it a completely different state of mind, one that is the perfect antidote to living and working a high-stress job in Manhattan. I live in Chicago now, and have a great job but that bike came with me and riding it is even more pleasurable - it’s my main mode of transportation; the mini-poodle loves it as much as I do, if not more. Your observations are spot on.
I bought a Trek Alliant +8 Stagger e bike this year to help me with a 27 km commute. Trek does not call the Stagger a girls bike - neither do I. The step thru design makes dismounting easier. I can easily stop at a light and slide off the seat to plant both feet on the ground without worrying about becoming an eunuch. The more upright ridding position allows for a better line of sight when pedaling. You can call me a sissy, but for all around commuting the design fits me perfectly.
What sort of a monster of a frame did you have that was a threat to your parts when you stopped? I have a 59cm track bike that's a size too large for me, my legs are pretty short, and I'm still at no risk of crushing my balls when dismounting haha
@@MarchuxProductions :) ...size matters.
Thanks for changing my mind towards cruiser bikes. I was having a hard time deciding which sort of bike I was going to buy for transportation to my job and other places. I had a mountain bike before I did had a fair amount of accidents that included me injuring my legs. Anyhow, thanks for the video!
These aren't cruiser bikes though, that's yet another category
Step through bikes have always seemed easier to use, period! I wish there were more of them in the USA - I used to see them everywhere in Europe
for small shopping, easy life, relaxed small journeys, Dutch bike works. - but keep the road bike also. They both out-live you car - can be ridden by anyone and maintained by anyone.
You want one? I've got one in my basement. Bought it in Rotterdam and rode it all over Europe. It is wonderful. It has racks front and back, it is upright & it has new tires. It has new tires a raleigh
3 speed transmission, mud guards,a chain guard and it locks with a through the tire lock on the back tire. You lock it and take the key with you. I went over the alps on this WBR bike. It also has a kickstand. Reply here if you'd like to buy it & we'll talk. Why am I no longer riding it? I have arthritis and I have a little bike Friday that I ride now.
In Oct I Bought a new bike and included Nitto Bosco (B353) bars that positions me upright. What a great way to travel! I find it so much more comfortable that leaning forward.
Amazing. Thanks for sharing.
What a great channel! I really appreciate your work. It’s what I have been looking for. In one hour of viewing you have offered me so much practical information I am truly grateful!
Your video on winter cycling (I’m in Montreal) has been a great tutorial, the video on “The Perfect Winter bike” has sold me on the Onyx. Keep up the great work and I will keep passing on your channel. Many thanks.
Wow, thanks!
It is a "Oma fiets" Grandma's bike :)
Dames fiets..
@@adsetya3487 A Dames fiets (woman's bike) is a bike whit a "low entry" see the reply from
TheMNBlackBear a bike whit a low entry and a upright riding position whit curved back handlebars is commonly referred to as a Omafiets (grandma's bike)
And as we all know. Granny is always right!
My wife had a Gary Fisher hybrid bike and had stopped using it after injuring her MCL. While trying to swing her leg over it, she caught her leg on the seat and fell backwards, twisting the knee of her supporting leg. Now she rides an Electra Townie, and loves it! The best bike is the one you want to ride, because then you do.
Good tips in this video.
Where I live in San Francisco, we have some challenging conditions for bike riders. We have STEEP hills, heavy car traffic, difficult intersections and poor road conditions, with many streetcar tracks and potholes. Having ridden various types of bikes in San Francisco; road, city, hybrid, one-speed cruiser, I've found each has advantages and disadvantages here. I think an upright bikes with medium width tires are the safest and most efficient type. You need the upright ridding position to see the traffic around you. Medium to wide tires mean fewer flats. FYI - After 30+ years riding in San Francisco, and now in my 60's, I have switched to an ebike. At my age I need an ebike to make it up our hills.
Your 'Dutch bike' is the same type of bike my grandfather commuted to work with in Munich for decades. He bought it in the early 1950's and it was still working in the 1990's when he died.
They're great for flat to low rolling hills. They stink in areas with steep hills or mountains. Three speeds, coaster brakes are one issue with that. That super handle bar design is also a negative when trying to climb.
BINGO! Right on, man. I sold my $3K Cannondale Synapse because I was tired of a.) having my attention on pavement and, b.) thinking I HAD TO GO FAST. Bought a single speed city bike set up to be very upright so I can SEE WHERE i AM GOING. My lower back is a lot happier! Biking is not just a sport, it's a life style. The Dutch have the right idea.
Well said! That's been my experience too.
I have drops and upright, nice to vary, I don't find too much difference in speed, but my neck does on a longer ride.
Adam Donovan The Dutch don’t have long commutes or hills.
@@shannontrainer5857 , I have re read this thread to understand your comment Shannon, but what has flat roads and short commutes to do with pains of drop handlebars got to do with it, I need your enlightenment !
@@Steaks652 On a upright bike, not only are you putting all your weight on your butt which makes it uncomfortable after 4-5 miles, but also you're taking weight off your feet, thereby, decreasing pedalling efficiency. thomasthethinkengine(dot)com/2014/07/24/why-beautiful-dutch-ladies-bikes-should-come-with-a-health-warning/
My main concern that is preventing me from wanting to purchase one is speed: In a north american context, given the auto oriented roads and poor bike infrastructure, I find that speed and quick acceleration is very important to avoid dying, which seems to be absent from a Dutch bikes. I just wish there was a Dutch bike out there that also has good speed and acceleration.
Throw an electric motor on one, best of both worlds.
There are hybrid upright bikes that ride pretty fast, like Bobbin and Linus
I own seven bikes. But my upright Dutch city bike with internal hub gears is the safest in traffic. I have a good view on it, and shifting back and accelarating is way better than on my derailer bikes.
Three reasons not to use a dutch-style upright bike.
1. Hills 2. Distance 3. Wind
I live in Edinburgh, and have commuted up to 40km per day. Could I have done that on an upright Dutch-style bike ? No.
I have a basic 2x8 speed setup, and use all except the very top and bottom gears every day.
There is however some comfort to be gained from a slightly more upright position, I'm 62 now and had a hip replacement a few months ago.
I couldn't ride my bike with the drop handlebars, so I swapped them for some swept-back jobs, and will probably keep them, as it's generally better, but still quite forward compared with dutch-style.
I would never get an omafiets, they're simply not suitable, and anyway, fast is fun.
American male here. I want a step through Dutch bike. I'm fortunate to live in an urban area surrounded by shops and bike infrastructure. A new grocery store opened a mile away and driving a car feels like overkill and riding my sport bike is not comfortable at all. Most of my daily errands are usually within a 2 to 3 mile range. A comfortable upright bike would be perfect for this. So I can park my car and start riding instead.
I'm not sure of the quality aspect, my daily ride Batavus is only 37 years old.
Comfort also means you'd tend to bike more frequently. As a Danish city dweller I own three bikes, one fast, two comfy. In general I'll prefer the comfy ones for trips shorter than 12 miles and the fast one, just when I feel like feeling fast.
For the most part my bikes are means of transportation and I consider comfort and ease of use just as important as speed.
Fenders, locks that stay on the bike, luggage rack, sidestand, and lights all add comfort and usability in everyday life.
I very much like step-through bikes (especially with a trapeze frame), though I don’t have one and my next one won’t be one, either. But I don’t like Dutch bikes because it feels like the more upright position is less efficient, so I have to put in more effort to travel the same distance. Classic Dutch bikes are also often heavy af. I’d consider them to be more like café racers, for very short distances. But if they get more people to ride a bike, then I think that’s great! In general, I think it’s good to have more variety in the bicycle market.
Ya, totally agree. While I definitely understand the appeal of something a bit more relaxed than a road bike, for me the least comfortable part of a ride is how sweaty I am when I get to my destination, which is minimized with something that actually rides efficiently.
@@alecelgood8913
I sweat a bunch if I ride 100 meters on an easy gear*, so I say screw it and go for broke on bike speed. I love my hardtail!
*: I'm not horsing around, even if I rode my commute on an omafiets I'd have to carry a change of clothes
I've had forward-leaning city bikes. I felt so unsafe on them, even when I wasn't carrying even 2 days worth of groceries (in addition to a backpack). On an upright, I've carried 20 kg shoulder bags and 2 bags of groceries on the steer, or a heavy backpack and an honest to god cabin sized rolling suitcase. They all depend on your use case. It's common to see people transporting 2-3 crates of beer on a bike, securing the bottom one, holding the top one while sitting upright. Can't do that when leaning.
@@alecelgood8913 or maybe… ride more slowly? No one in NL gets sweaty. Or get an e bike, they’re great.
Upright bicycles were very common in 20th century America. In the 1960s when racing bicycles became popular, with it's curved handles and bent over riding position, those were acknowledged as more athletic, racing bikes. I love the leisurely upright riding position of my Dahon folding bicycle. I can cruise between 8 to 10 miles per hour and if I want to go somewhere faster then I can always pedal faster and/or gear up to 12 to 15 mph. Going faster to 18 to 20 mph is doable but unless one is on a perfectly flat, good paved or concrete surface at near zero degrees angle then it gets tiring too fast. It's often the riding surface and angle slope that dictates my practical speed. Upright bicycles are still far more widespread in the U.S. than he thinks. Just think how much faster you will arrive somewhere by either walking at 2 mph or cruising on a bicycle at 10 mph.
Your comments about how different bikes put you in a different State of Mind are absolutely spot-on
Every bike other than racers used to fit this description. American bikes were upright with single speed, wide tires and coaster brakes. The traditional English Ralieh had narrower tires and a hub three speed. We were riding these in the fifties and they weren't new then.
I love womans step through bikes. I have two. 21 speed hybrid Schwinn upright. I am able to mount the bike fast and easy as well as get off with one foot on my left pedal standing and coast to my final landing. LOL. Light bicycles and I can go fast and enjoy the view and the ride. I am very comfortable on my bicycles and would never again buy different.
Ah yea, thats neat on the "oma bikes". I have male one... which i used to do the same on (flip leg over while slowing down, then step off ;] ), but im a bit older now and my new bike is a bit high.
I like my 21 speed hybrid bike to and I am glad I bought it years ago.
It is indeed very relaxing to ride in an upright position, except when you're late for school and need to complete a 40-minute ride in 20 minutes.
Get up early, lazybum.
@@henkoosterink8744Pedal faster, slowpoke
@@zUJ7EjVD :)) Dutch bikes and steroid use is a pretty hilarious combo.
I think I heard somewhere that the reason girls bike traditionally had step through frames is because it was said to be inappropriate for girls to lift there legs when getting on a bike. Because of dresses and skirts.
One of my bikes is actually a Dutch bike that we brought back from the Netherlands. However it's not very good for riding in the hilly area where we live. It's heavy and only has a small gear range. We don't have the excellent cycling infrastructure that they have in the Netherlands so for me a hybrid bike is the most practical. It's got lots of gears for getting up hills, has a fairly upright riding position and can navigate potholes, kerbs, mud, unpaved tracks, etc with relative ease.
You should also note that there's a massive amount of ebikes being sold in the Netherlands now, accounting for something like 50% of new bike sales, despite there being no hills and most journeys being relatively short.
thing is, I know "Dutch-bikes" are heavier than others, but E-bikes are even heavier than usual upright Dutch bikes. I have one like that, and while I love the power support sometimes, I have a problem moving it up a train and carry it up a few steps. Pros and cons.
What a helpful and wonderful video. I have learned something new. RS. Canada
In the US a lot of people rides bikes either as a weekend sport wherein they can wear their cyclist outfit and special shoes, or as a going out to the park with the kids. You can see trails full of cars transporting their bikes. Very few actually uses bikes as a way of transportation. This is exactly the opposite in the Netherlands or Denmark.
not comfortable to ride with US traffic....
@@jameslanders1483 definitely not, but there are more and more people that realize how practical is to ride a bike, plus the physical and mental health benefits for them. I think that not many of us haven't seen someone riding a bike that does not smile :)
A big reason I think these are less popular in the states is that they really require the riding surface to be even and predictable. I live in Denver which is a bike friendlier city, but I still want my bike to be able to handle curbs or rough streets or bits of off-road just to feel confident that I can get where I need to go.
Those "Dutch" bikes are often known as "sit up and beg" style. Many Dutch people are very tall, so the riding style suits the urban commuting transport style so prevalent in The Netherlands, Belgium and Denmark. They are also countries with very flat terrain, which lends itself to smooth rolling bikes without need for hill climbing gear ratios. My wife used to have one, which was a Gazelle model that we bought reconditioned in The Hague.
Dutch bikes often also have no gears, pedal back to break and a chain cover - this means zero hassel with break pads, zero hassel with gears, and no concern of getting chain oil on you clothes. Some of the best bikes I ever road are Dutch, and often the bikes are older than me (34)
We visited Amsterdam in 2019, we borrowed the AirBNB owner's Dutch bikes and man were they comfy! But, they were also big, clunky, had steel frames, everything was heavy on it, but they were nice commuters - oversized (relatively speaking) wheels and tires, they produced a very soft, comfortable but also sure-footed ride, they each had 3 speeds, a steel basket in front, 2 steel rear baskets, center kick stand, and the built-in frame lock that locks the rear wheel to its rear triangle. How I wish the U.S. was more like the Dutch in how the bicycle is such a mainstream means of daily transportation, shopping, recreation, etc.
The US is NOT flat as a pancake and our cities are spread out. We do need better infrastructure, but heavy inefficient Dutch upright bikes are not the answer. We have hybrid and road bikes that are more suitable.
@@shannontrainer5857 Point well taken. I actually live in a valley so anywhere I go on my bike, I have to first climb a sizeable hill to get there. But, for folks not challenged by hills, the weight of their bikes with minimal speeds and rim brakes should be just fine.
0:38 step through design is so they don't have to lift up their leg while wearing a dress or skirt
Guys use straight frames for extra stiffness (pun intended)
There is possibly another reason... What if you are rather stiff? Hiking your leg over a standard frame is not so easy. The step though saves the day.
It's more so that the skirt can hang down modestly over their legs than any inconvenience mounting a diamond frame (high crossbar) bike. If there's a high crossbar it keeps your skirt held up in front, and once the wind catches it as you start moving, it could get quite embarrassing.
The difference is being upright you can actually turn your neck and look around. A sports bike you are looking at the ground. A Dutch bid you can put your feet on the ground. Which means you can stop at traffic lights and obey the rules. Much easier to be friendly and chat with others. I’m just about to sell my mountain bike with give me neck ache for a Gazelle ebike. Stepless belt drive. No maintenance. I’m going to ride it to my local bars and cafes and enjoy the view.
It's "road bike", upright-only fundamentalist. A "sports bike" is a type of motorcycle:
"A sportbike, or sports bike, is a motorcycle optimized for speed, acceleration, braking, and cornering on paved roads, typically at the expense of comfort and fuel economy by comparison with other motorcycles."
Shannon Trainer A road bike?? Every bike rides on the road (or in The Netherlands also on a bicycle path). So when you use a bike for sports activity, a sports bike as a name would be logical. Is calling a motorcycle a sports bike normal in every English speaking country or is it an American thing? As a Dutch person it feels strange to call a bike used for sports activities a road bike, because a bike (fiets in Dutch, you say upright bike) used for sports is called a sportfiets in Dutch (we glue words together to one new word). Another language can be confusing.
P Constructor A sports bike is a motorcycle like the Kawasaki Ninja or a Ducati. That’s the problem with Dutch upright bike fanboys/fan girls like yourself. This is a road bike(wegfiets), by the way: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Road_bicycle
Sports bike(sportsmotor in Dutch): en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sport_bike
Thank you! Even I am finding it difficult to get an upright bicycle here in India. The stores are full of these modern mountain bikes and road bikes. Here too the notion of an upright bicycle with no central rod is pursued to be a feminine bike.
Not every bike needs to be for sport. It’s nice to see a bike that we can ride leisurely.
And functionally.
Just bought a Gazelle c380 E Bike. Love it! Step through, belt drive, CVT transmission. Completely different experience is right!
I’d really love a Dutch bike. Internal gearing, chain cover, built in lock, indestructible. Why don’t we have this!?!!!!?
Indestructible: YES! I rode a Gazelle Dutch Bike with 3 gears for 35 years for my daily rides in town, loads of shopping, and some tours. I still love the upright position that helps to communicate face to face, and being aware of my surrounding. (Though I think about buying a Singlespeed since I saw the video here on this channel 🤓)
We have this in Japan. The mamacharis. Great general-purpose utility bike.
Don't forget the kickstand!
Because we have hills and longer distances, unlike the flat and cramped Netherlands.
@@shannontrainer5857 Americans ride bicycles with four wheels, 8 airbags and a couple hundred horsepower. In other words, Dutch people actually use bikes for transportation, even grannies and kids, while Americans barely use them, and only for sport. And we have insufferable gate keepers who love shaming people for not riding a sporty enough bicycle, wearing lycra, and arriving at their destination drenched in sweat.
I have an old touring bike with drop bars. Around town I'm mostly upright. On longer rides I lean forward more.
I love both ways of cycling.
Now that I have stuff on my rear cargo rack it is really hard to get my leg over the frame. I will be looking at low step frames in the future for sure!
Ah yea. Ive been in that situation too. You have to get your leg in between the steer and saddle over the high cross bar. Annoying.
You should see if you can use a front cargo rack and or use bike bags. For cargo, high cross bars are better.
Learn the high step. Put your left pedal almost all the way on top just pay vertical. , in a middle or higher gear. Now Step on it with your left foot and use it like a ladder step to step r body up and tie right leg over your bar and over to ground on the other side. Now you have one leg on each side of the bike, so mount the saddle.
Later on you can go straight to the saddle but this is the first step.
Very few people know how to do this.
My Trek Verve has this seating position & I love it
I think the thing that works mainly depends on the rider's biology (and the road conditions) I had lived in the Netherlands for a while, had a sort-of upright bike, it was fine there, no real distances in Utrecht either, moved back to Hungary, was looking for that kind of vibe, started commuting. In NL longest commute was 20-30 minutes, on great roads. Here 30-50 minutes on not so great roads. My butt started to hurt like crazy, and a more cushioned saddle just cut off blood flow... The solution was to get more weight on my arms. Now I am on a sporty bike with a narrow saddle, medium wide tires, all the pain is gone, and it is way more comortable than any bike I ever rode. I don't think everyone should own an upright bike, but it does not hurt to try one ofcourse :)
Dutch bikes work fine on dead level ground with good infrastructure, however that is not the case in most places. A lighter bicycle will make a dramatic difference. I worke in a US bike shop for thirty years and we charged a signicantly higher amount for flat fixes- it takes an hour to get the rear wheel off!
I ride an actual Dutch bike here in Australia and I love it. The theory that these bikes are only good for short distances and flat roads is simply not true. I've done a 16km round trip on my bike and there are certainly hills where I live. These bikes are genuinely commuter bikes, used to get from A to B reliably, comfortably and without all the sweat.
But 16 km is a very short distance. I ride 100 km sometimes (and I'm not very fit) and I don't know, if I wanted to do this on a dutch bicycle.
They *are* only good for very short distances and flat roads. I find it extremely difficult to believe that you did a 10-mile round trip on a Dutch bike. More like 10 miles over 5 days. Also, nobody rides Dutch bikes up hills. Instead, they dismount and walk.
@@shannontrainer5857 You're wrong
@@saarbrooklynrider2277 I ride my bike everywhere and it's never impeded my ability to get there an back. Some hills can be tough (for all of us) but on a Dutch style bike there's a certain riding technique you have use to get up the hill. It's never stopped me
@@cyclingzen824 "A utility bicycle, city bicycle, urban bicycle, European city bike (ECB), Dutch bike, classic bike or simply city-bike, is a bicycle designed for frequent very short, very slow rides through very flat urban areas."
-Sorce: Wikipedia
As upright-Dutch-bike-only fundamentalist, you should understand that.
My rides include about 1,000ft of vertical, so while I have a fairly upright riding position, I need a light bike.
Just keep that bias going when you finally do try though.
@@therealdutchidiot Whatever, Dutch-upright-bike-only Nazi.
@@shannontrainer5857 Yes, it hurts when you hear it from someone who actually has been on a bicycle, and not from some liar like you, right?
@@therealdutchidiot I'd rather listen to a person who puts in at least 20-30+ miles a day through some hilly/mountainous terrain rather than a person who puts in, at most, 4 miles in the flattest country in the world.
@@shannontrainer5857 You're showing off you know nothing at all.
The reason for woman’s bikes with lower bars has more to do with dress code at time then anatomy. In the late 1890’s woman wore long dresses & skirts. A high bar was not practical for them.
Yes, true. That makes me wonder why we even have crossbars anymore? Is there any practical reason for them?
@@Shifter_Cycling Cost.
@@Shifter_Cycling I think the logic was also that men are, on average, heavier and put greater stress on the frame. Steel used to be not as strong, so a stronger triangular geometry helped make the frame strong enough without adding too much weight. These days with modern materials and manufacturing techniques it isn't necessary, just traditional.
@@Shifter_Cycling That's a question someone having a channel about bicycles should not have to ask. Try out a proper bike with a diamond shape frame (e.g. straigh top bar). They're much stiffer and thus are much safer and better to handle, especially at higher speeds.
If you want the feeling of riding an actually la-z-boy, try a recumbent trike. My trike seat has lumbar support and it's a joy to ride every time I'm on it, even today when I was going uphill into a 25mph headwind; I just put it in a low gear and kept pedaling my recliner on wheels.
I recently got as close to a bike like this that I could, and honestly, it really is super comfortable.