When the Ming armies fought Japanese pirates, this came in handy once their katanas and rifles were hooked by long “wolf brush” pole. The mandarin formation!
I've been learning and watching a lot of different forms of styles in shield fighting and defense. This is a good example of how to use a shield. Thanks.
Never seen illustrations of kung fu fighters dressed up as animals before I saw the ones in this video (with the dao and shield and animal dresses). Do you know if that's a the historically accurate depiction? :)
As I know this is kind of fighters were in Qing Dynasty, the last Dynasty of China. This kind of soldiers were called "Tiger Troop", which were sort of special forces of Qing Dynasty. You can search "虎衣藤牌兵” in Baidu and use google translate to read in English.
ive always wanted to see traditional Chinese sword going up against Victorian British swordsman ship like in the opium wars and boxer rebellion whom my great great granddad and great granddad were apart of :)
+Magia Normal Absolutly not, i stab the opponent in first and turn after. If you don't know about, please, go to find the "Ji Xiao Xin Shu" book of general Qi Jiguang. You will see, they used this kind of techniques in the battelfield under the Ming Dynasty. General Qi ended the invasion of the japanese pirates, so, maybe not so "suicide"
+fasanpakmeikune Sifu John sifu john, is there anyway a bak mei practicioner can spar in hand to hand safely ? i heard that bak mei is very effective and deadly and really interested in this style of kung fu.
i just started getting interested on chinese weapons and martial arts, i really love sword and shield specially. There is something i wanted to ask that i have seen on a lot of chinese martial arts, the thing you did on the last technique (2:29), when you spin to cut and your legs are crossed (i don't know if that's the word, sorry english is not my first language). Why is that done?
Juan Pablo Gonzalez That is a unique stance commonly found in Chinese martial arts mainly for ' turning-back' strikes by means of the twisting/rotational movement of both legs. Frankly, I hold it as purely fancy stuff. Just turn around moving your rear leg and foot (right-clockwise; left-anticlockwise) and you can easily turn back to strike your opponent with your weapon. It is something like landing a back spin kick in Taekwondo/Karate. Such a stance is therefore unnecessary and impractical at all. The quality demonstration here is remarkable but it is to a great extent choreography. Notice the spearman always stops/freezes after his first strike and then waits for the cut/strike on him. Most of these beautiful and elegant movements would disappear in real sparring. All in all, it is a matter of choice. Go HEMA if one favours the art of (melee) weapon fighting. Try Chinese Martial Arts if one prefers choreographed demonstration.
@@622PSS As a HEMA practitioner myself, I can say wholeheartedly that HEMA is very much not the pinnacle of historical martial arts, and really must be taken off of its pedastal in the eyes of internet keyboard warriors. It is just one part of historical martial arts practiced worldwide. This includes African, Iranian, Indian, S.E. Asian, and even Chinese martial arts. Not everyone who claims to do Chinese martial arts is only doing choreographed dancing; many are going back to the historical sources and applying what they learn from them in sparring settings. To recommend every single person who practices an East Asian style of martial art to "try HEMA" (as I see on nearly every video of east Asian swordsmanship that I watch) is rather arrogant and rude.
He did it in a controlled manner, constraining his opponent's spear with the shield. Moves in which you spin around to attack your opponent, while not common, are nonetheless documented in martial sources across the world, including China, Germany, Africa, Brazil, etc.
It depends. The shaft of the spear (this one's made out of white ash) might have a few cuts it's not going to cut the spear in half. The parries used in the video won't really damage the spear because it's purpose is to open up the spearman so that he could be cut.
No. They prefer Horse Archery and later adopted gun powder. Most shield from Mongol are made from animal hides leather etc. Rattan Shield tend to make with reeds. They are originated in Southern China.
I don't understand why they used wicker or whatever this material is instead of wood or hide. I guess hide is too expensive to equip a whole army with but why not use wood?
I guess if you live in an area with few trees then you can't use wood. The Persians used wicker shields as well, and I don't think they have much wood.
There's pros and cons with each material. Wood depending on the species might be slightly heavier, in comparison rattan is quite light. Wood tend to split along the grain, wheras rattan has no grain to speak off but it has to be woven together. Rattan actually is quite strong and can deflect arrows very well particularly if its the more conical shape like the Ming illustrations. It can also withstand heavy cuts ok but its not invincible.
+moh peleadorr Vous devriez vous intéresser au vieux manuscript "Ji Xiao Xin Shu". Le général Qi Jiguang que je mentionne dans la vidéo a, sous la dynastie Ming incorporé l'utilisation du bouclier de rotin au champs de bataille. Utilisant une garde spécifique pour attirer l'ennemie à frapper ou il le voulait. Cette technique avait une rotation provoqué consciemment. Il utilisait de son temps cette technique au champs de bataille.
charcoal ignites faster than wood but takes time. fire arrows are complex crafts that use sulfur,oil or greek fire that are better invested against ships, siege weapons or wooden forts
you just contradicted yourself by saying charcoal ignites faster than wood but takes time ,but you are right about them being better invested against those implements but i was just stating a point about how these shields are not invincible as they have a major fire weakness. Try setting a rattan basket on fire, even with a small match and you will see what i mean.
Shields don't get enough love.
Ikr they can bash slash block frisbee and punch
achille marozzo sidesword and rotella they REALLY love shield
When the Ming armies fought Japanese pirates, this came in handy once their katanas and rifles were hooked by long “wolf brush” pole. The mandarin formation!
Great video, not only show the form but also the real aplications and give us an historical information about this weapon. congratulations Sifú John.
I've been learning and watching a lot of different forms of styles in shield fighting and defense. This is a good example of how to use a shield. Thanks.
Shield is my personal favourite and go-to
Great!! Where can i buy the shield?
dude you have such control when you're swinging that around
Never seen illustrations of kung fu fighters dressed up as animals before I saw the ones in this video (with the dao and shield and animal dresses). Do you know if that's a the historically accurate depiction? :)
As I know this is kind of fighters were in Qing Dynasty, the last Dynasty of China. This kind of soldiers were called "Tiger Troop", which were sort of special forces of Qing Dynasty. You can search "虎衣藤牌兵” in Baidu and use google translate to read in English.
yes and chinese soldiers before used to wear animals pelt on their helmets
They were furries.
Very cool!
This is amazing! We need tutorial for this forms 🙏🙏
just like any shield
This is really good Sifu John.
Great
Are there records of this shield being paired with a jian?
Does that translate to Flower family clan! Great techniques!
Nice!
ive always wanted to see traditional Chinese sword going up against Victorian British swordsman ship like in the opium wars and boxer rebellion whom my great great granddad and great granddad were apart of :)
It'd be cool until the British guy shoots him
@@taekwondobro chinese also had guns at that time
In the last one he commited suicide, but is nice to know about this shield, thanks...
+Magia Normal Absolutly not, i stab the opponent in first and turn after. If you don't know about, please, go to find the "Ji Xiao Xin Shu" book of general Qi Jiguang. You will see, they used this kind of techniques in the battelfield under the Ming Dynasty. General Qi ended the invasion of the japanese pirates, so, maybe not so "suicide"
+fasanpakmeikune Sifu John
sifu john, is there anyway a bak mei practicioner can spar in hand to hand safely ? i heard that bak mei is very effective and deadly and really interested in this style of kung fu.
+Adam Greggor Of course, we did it, but can't use all the techniques of the style.
@@Jianghumartialscholars do you have other books or manuscripts I can look for ? I would love to
This is really cool. Great video!
Nice techniques
Where to find more of this
What was the music called?
Where did you buy that shield? Impressive!!!
i just started getting interested on chinese weapons and martial arts, i really love sword and shield specially. There is something i wanted to ask that i have seen on a lot of chinese martial arts, the thing you did on the last technique (2:29), when you spin to cut and your legs are crossed (i don't know if that's the word, sorry english is not my first language). Why is that done?
Juan Pablo Gonzalez That is a unique stance commonly found in Chinese martial arts mainly for ' turning-back' strikes by means of the twisting/rotational movement of both legs.
Frankly, I hold it as purely fancy stuff. Just turn around moving your rear leg and foot (right-clockwise; left-anticlockwise) and you can easily turn back to strike your opponent with your weapon. It is something like landing a back spin kick in Taekwondo/Karate. Such a stance is therefore unnecessary and impractical at all.
The quality demonstration here is remarkable but it is to a great extent choreography. Notice the spearman always stops/freezes after his first strike and then waits for the cut/strike on him. Most of these beautiful and elegant movements would disappear in real sparring.
All in all, it is a matter of choice. Go HEMA if one favours the art of (melee) weapon fighting. Try Chinese Martial Arts if one prefers choreographed demonstration.
@@622PSS As a HEMA practitioner myself, I can say wholeheartedly that HEMA is very much not the pinnacle of historical martial arts, and really must be taken off of its pedastal in the eyes of internet keyboard warriors. It is just one part of historical martial arts practiced worldwide. This includes African, Iranian, Indian, S.E. Asian, and even Chinese martial arts.
Not everyone who claims to do Chinese martial arts is only doing choreographed dancing; many are going back to the historical sources and applying what they learn from them in sparring settings.
To recommend every single person who practices an East Asian style of martial art to "try HEMA" (as I see on nearly every video of east Asian swordsmanship that I watch) is rather arrogant and rude.
What's this style kungfu ? Pls
Very nice, but you look strong enough to use a real blade, with according weight, no need the sharp edge, though!
+taiwandeutscher I had only this on at my place when i had recorded the video. Of course, i also prefer strong one. Thank you
盾の使い方は勉強になりますな。
I need to get my act together and make one someday.
très intéressant ! les rotations étaient alors utilisés comme piège alors !??
RIP Turtle Ma
Love he spun and exposed his back to his enemy.
He did it in a controlled manner, constraining his opponent's spear with the shield.
Moves in which you spin around to attack your opponent, while not common, are nonetheless documented in martial sources across the world, including China, Germany, Africa, Brazil, etc.
Ace stuff.
can the sword damage the spear or are the techniques only blocking the spear with a sword strike?
It depends. The shaft of the spear (this one's made out of white ash) might have a few cuts it's not going to cut the spear in half. The parries used in the video won't really damage the spear because it's purpose is to open up the spearman so that he could be cut.
Question: did the Mongols have these?
No. They prefer Horse Archery and later adopted gun powder.
Most shield from Mongol are made from animal hides leather etc.
Rattan Shield tend to make with reeds. They are originated in Southern China.
Imagine u invade place where the army use Tiger costume like disneyland
U gentleman are in Trouble
Because the ship has been burned
I don't understand why they used wicker or whatever this material is instead of wood or hide. I guess hide is too expensive to equip a whole army with but why not use wood?
nvshd it's not just material it also requires human resources to craft.
I guess if you live in an area with few trees then you can't use wood. The Persians used wicker shields as well, and I don't think they have much wood.
There's pros and cons with each material. Wood depending on the species might be slightly heavier, in comparison rattan is quite light. Wood tend to split along the grain, wheras rattan has no grain to speak off but it has to be woven together. Rattan actually is quite strong and can deflect arrows very well particularly if its the more conical shape like the Ming illustrations. It can also withstand heavy cuts ok but its not invincible.
Damn, China had a furry squad
So is made of wicker. Does not appear very strong. I could be wrong
made of rattan it has no grain so it is stronger than wood in a way and there are accounts of it stopping small arms fire from pistols
nice sword dance
琉球现在还有同样的兵器从中国学到的
"mandarin duck" formation...
扎腳 扎腳 扎腳ㄚ
用打 不用扎
00:42 Chinese furries.
pas mal, mais en combat, faire une rotation sur soi, jcrois pas ke ce soit possible! en tout cas dangereux !
+moh peleadorr Vous devriez vous intéresser au vieux manuscript "Ji Xiao Xin Shu". Le général Qi Jiguang que je mentionne dans la vidéo a, sous la dynastie Ming incorporé l'utilisation du bouclier de rotin au champs de bataille. Utilisant une garde spécifique pour attirer l'ennemie à frapper ou il le voulait. Cette technique avait une rotation provoqué consciemment. Il utilisait de son temps cette technique au champs de bataille.
Fire arrow on the shield and watch for 3rd degree burns
Andre Ledo wood don't easily burn as charcoal (even this requires time and care to burn), and fire arrows are expensive.
wtf are you talking about mate? wood ignites much easier than charcoal get out of the house and do real things it will be good for you xD
charcoal ignites faster than wood but takes time. fire arrows are complex crafts that use sulfur,oil or greek fire that are better invested against ships, siege weapons or wooden forts
you just contradicted yourself by saying charcoal ignites faster than wood but takes time ,but you are right about them being better invested against those implements but i was just stating a point about how these shields are not invincible as they have a major fire weakness. Try setting a rattan basket on fire, even with a small match and you will see what i mean.
what I am saying if a fire arrow stuck to a shield pull it out and try extinguishing it.