To bad you can't keep it if Win 11 never gets better.... If you move to Linux using legacy software, desktop environments and window managers is a CHOICE and it's not forced on the user to switch to newer Window managers for example.. I use i3 which is still updated today no doubt but will eventually be abandoned for Wayland session alternatives such as Sway.
@@dillacorn_linux no one will move to that shit, os, nothing works proper, EVEN native cs2 works like shit, let alone any anticheat game. Literally os for people that dont use thier pcs and just watch youtube - people say linux is system for advanced users - not true if u are advanced just tune the win 10 and it will smoke linux. Linux is for people that dont understand the basics of os. Its not even about compability, linux is simply bad for nromal usage, latency is simply bad. Its made to be servers, databases and things like that.
@@erisium6988 you have no idea what you're talking about clearly.. You're heavily misinformed. Your comment is dated and has no merit.. Everyones experience will be different depending on the Linux environment you choose. I'm using "i3-wm" but GNOME and KDE is also great for gaming. GNOME has less bugs IMO but KDE Plasma 6 is still good.
Windows 10 IoT LTSC has OFFICIAL Microsoft support until 2032. Search on google for "massgrave windows 10 iot ltsc" and have fun. It is the lowest DPC latency Windows version, more frames, lowest mouse latency, can notice even better websites scrolling. Applying ReviOs playbook on it on fresh install makes it even better.
You can sail the seas and use a script to activate Windows 10 Enterprise LTSC. Only issue is some programs will recognize it as an out of date system and not run.
@@Deniz1923 I reviewed the code for that script and it's fine. You just get the Enterprise LTSC ISO and activate it with the massgrave script. I'm going to run it on my dads old PC since it allows W11 without TPM, and it's better then letting him stubbornly use Windows 10 end of life without security updates. I'll do my own system once W11 23H2 is end of life so I can avoid the recall feature on 24H2
Frankly, it's AMDs responsibility to do regression testing and work with Microsoft to help optimise their products. AMD should have noticed regression years ago. They haven't. They were asleep. They might have had an excuse when they were circling the bankruptcy drain, but they don't now.
@@myne00 BS to me sorry, especially when it works fine in Linux lol. Zen 5 performed a lot better in Linux than windows on launch. Seems to be more Microsoft BS like always, I highly doubt AMD have “been asleep” like you say
@@lemontree5986because if they don’t then this happens and AMD performs worse than it should for years until we find out about it now and suddenly it’s fixed. What are you gonna do? Go play CS2 or League on Linux? No you’re not going to do that. What happens if AMD ignores the fact their CPUs perform worse than they should in windows? People stop buying their shit. So yes, it’s AMD’s responsibility to make sure Microsoft is able to fully utilize their CPUs. You think if Exxon gasoline only got 1/2 the mileage of Chevron in all Toyota cars they wouldn’t be all up Toyota’s ass about it?
@@eva-wh4nu When your companies fate is innately dependent on another's competence, or lack thereof, it is your responsibility to at the least check their work. The proof AMD were asleep is that they were completely blindsided by Zen 5 reviews and these w11 performance bugs. All the reviewers list the applications they use to benchmark. These do change over time, one by one, but not all at once. Generally speaking, the suite hadn't changed much since Zen 4. There's no excuse for their internal testing to not have already forecast with high accuracy what the reviewers would find. They're not a struggling company anymore. They need to grab the reins both internally and externally.
Love your 2nd channel, Tech-No City. The channel where you are a famous globetrotting DJ. Partying coast to coast non stop via private jet. Good stuff!
It's strange, because in Windows 11, between the 23H2 and the patch update, I saw massive improvements in performance on my 5800X3D. I should pop my Windows install in and see if that changes things
23h2 patch sucks. 24h2 is faster than 10 and 23h2 with patch. The tests in the video I do not believe are actually 24h2 because in hogwarts 24h2 is waaaay faster than 23h2 with the patch and windows 10 both per hardware unboxed testing.
on HUB video where they tested hogwarts on windows 11 24h2, windows 10, windows 11 23h2 with patch, and windows 11 23h2 without patch-- w10 was on par with 11 23h2 with the patch, and w11 24h2 is faster than both. In techyescity’s video, he shows w10 at 105 and 11 “24h2”(it’s not) at 98fps. So of the three other operating systems HUB tested hogwarts on, which one still had VBS or core isolation on? Was it w10? W11 23h2 without patch? Or w11 23h2 with patch? According to you all three still had it on, but we both know that’s not the case. None of them obviously, because HUB wouldn’t leave the video up if it was misleading. Just switch to w11 24h2 it’s faster. Why take fps hit for no reason
What do you mean 24h2 is patched? The patch is for 23h2, there’s no patch for 24h2. What build is that windows 11? Windows 11 24h2, actual 24h2 26100 is faster than the 23h2 + “back ported branch prediction” KB5041587 It helps some, puts it closer or on par with w10, but windows 11 24h2 is faster than both. By a lot, especially in UE games Without the exact build number of the windows 11 tests this video doesn't tell us much. Just from your hogwarts results I suspect you didn’t use 24h2 you actually used 23h2 with KB5041587 22631.4112, correct? You’re the second tech youtube channel I’ve seen try to say windows 10 is better or on par with windows 11 because you didn’t test 24h2 26100, but only 23h2 with KB5041587. KitGuruTech made the same error and left out 24h2 26100 benchmarks, instead assuming the patch for 23h2 is equivalent. Sorry for poopooing the video, your half-mil subscriber's FPS is at stake here!
To add, as others have mentioned, it seems win11 (for his patch)is consuming less power for both his cpu and gpu and what's weird is that it's about 10-15% less than win10.
Thanks for thr dono, though by patched I mean I used 26100. I'll check the exact number after it when I put it in next but yes you couldn't patch that version. But again by patched I mean the 24h2. As for the results of Windows 10. Show me someone with the same as fps in the games I'm testing. As all I'm seeing from others is bar graphs. Would like to see where and how they test so I can properly cross reference. As for the windows 10 it's the fastest os with single ccd ryzen chips. Welcome to show me otherwise but please let it be proof.
@@techyescitytimestamp 2:33 shows 22631. That’s 23h2. You didn’t test 24h2 because hogwarts on 24h2 is faster than w10(zen 4/5 not sure abou 3). Try it. You need the actual 24h2 build 26100
@@SB-mr2nk I have footage of all three builds, even a canary build. In terms of hogwarts I have tried them all, W10 gave the best results for hogwarts, especially for the Ryzen 9000 on high performance profile in windows with game mode on.
Thanks for doing this video Bryan, I've been waiting for someone to test Ryzen 5000. I'm on Windows 10 IoT LTSC, best decision I made OS wise, and end of life is 2032 to boot ...
@@ElPelucaMilei25 If you mean for LTSC, I bought it in 2019 from one of those CD Key Sales sites, but the key didn't port over to IoT LTSC 21H2 and when I tried buying that MS have made it so you can't buy a single license and it's way too expensive. So I ended up getting it off a torrent site.
@@ElPelucaMilei25 I just replied to this but youtube censored it. Let's just say I didn't buy it even though I tried to, because you couldn't get a single license and it was way too expensive. Only con I've found is crappy start menu, but I just bought StartIsBack for about a fiver.
thanks for the testing zen 3, i guess the next step its the LTSC iot one that have support until 2032 and that version its the oficial bloatless clean version of windows 10
Noticed tat seems the Windows 11 uses CPU and GPU wattage consistently lower ever so slightly on the given footages of the tests in comparison with the Windows 10 which could be the reason of the difference.
@@ХристоРъцев yea which is kinda interesting as ideally they should have the same utilization considering it uses the same drivers likely and hardware so seems the way on how windows 11 and 10 utilizes things have reallly a difference going on
In all your W10 vs W11 test, there is a significant difference in Watts between W10 and W11 for the same scene, W11 using less. Although the clock speeds are similar, I wonder if this has an impact on why W11 performed worse.
This is also something I’m wondering about, as I’m using a Ryzen 7 5700G on my system with Windows 11 24H2, even the Ghost Spectre version. I’m experiencing some slowdowns on my PC, which never happened before with my old hardware (Ryzen 7 2700 and Windows 10). However, past updates on 24H2 have improved performance. I occasionally encounter stuttering in games, and sometimes Edge becomes unresponsive for a few seconds. When I open Task Manager, the status doesn’t show as hanging, but the metrics freeze for a few seconds before returning to normal. The early release of 24H2 had much worse performance, which led me to do a clean install because I thought that was the issue. I guess it’s just Windows being Windows. I’ve already updated the BIOS and chipset drivers, but the issue persists. Fingers crossed, I hope future Windows 11 updates will fix it.
i use the latest Ghost Spectre LTSC 24h2 one with 13700k and rtx 4080. One hint , use only " compact " version. When i did 23h2 and others, i mostly did " Superlite " and those versions did some crap, my system never worked as flawlessly as windows 10 official. So i tryed basic ones and it works really good. " Compact " does least mess with system proccesses and OS , but its still alot compared to normal Windows. Better have 50 things fixed working ok, than 101 fix doing some shit working like crap if you get me.
Windows 10 LTSC and LTSB earlier builds are absolutely the best! Pure Desktop Experience! No Windows Store, no bloat, no ads, no need to sign into anything! Just like it was W7 and XP days!
Last night I watched a video about Windows 11 Game Mode but for some reason the games he tested were older titles. So I have Windows 11, R7 5700x (not 3D), Gigabyte RX 6700xt but the newest game I have is Starfield which is one year old. The video I watched showed that turning Game Mode off was better. I went to my Radeon software and wrote down my average FPS and MS, then turned off Game Mode and played the same area. I lost 10 fps and had +6MS just by turning that off in a newer title. The version of Starfield I was running is the beta update, not public release. But I used the same version for both tests. Turned it back on and my numbers were better.
@@ragingmonk6080 Game mode is just disabling background process, if you run a lot of apps(Discord, Spotify, Autodesk, Adobe) Game Mode will help you, but if you don't the difference is just variance
I don’t think so. I believe he’s using 23h2 with KB5041587. These tests are most likely invalid. At the top of all the graphs he says w11 is patched, but then lists 24h2. There is no patch for 24h2. The patch KB5041587 is for 23h2, which results in worse performance than 24h2 and is on par with w10. If he actually tested 24h2 it would be beating w10 in hogwarts
Linux Fanboys: "Finally everyone is going to have to move to linux since windows 11 is so bad! It's finally going to be the year of the linux PC!!!!" Everyone: "Ok time to upgrade back to windows 10."
absolutely the IoT Enterprise LTSC version is amazing. I have been running it for a few months and it feels way better than w11 but watch out for certain laptop drivers that may be windows 11 only they might not work as well
@@cookiemonsta_za Unfortunately, you do need to download from a 3rd party but for security purposes, what you'd do is download it from some 3rd party source and then compare its md5 checksum to at least 2 other (not from where you downloaded from) places. If it matches, you're golden
Windows 11 on Dual-CCD Ryzens could potentially be better for 1%lows with CPPC and Preffered Cores turned on in the BIOS due to Windows 11 being better desinged for hybrid CPU types like PCores/Ecores or multi chiplet stuff, I know CPPC did a lot for my 5900X for smoothness and thread organizing
Yes please test Windows 10 IoT enterprise ltsc 2021! It's the best option for people who want to stay on windows 10 and continue to get security updates. For those who don't know W10 iot enterprise ltsc will get support all the way until 2032. It also supports permanent HWID activation. Additionally, there's also a W11 iot enterprise ltsc which also has long support. Moreover, it's a stripped down version of W11 without all the bloat. The only thing I'm not sure about is if this version of Windows gets the performance updates for ryzen cpus.
@@ChrisL-d4c It's definitely possible but i highly doubt they would that quickly. Programs and games only recently started dropping support for windows 7. Personally i wouldn't worry about it until it because an issue. If you are worried there's Windows 11 iot enterprise ltsc you can use. Hopefully TYC will benchmark both Windows 10 and 11 versions of iot enterprise ltsc.
Definately it is time to start testing games in one linux distro too. Looking forward to that. Chris Titus tech has a nice video on choosing gaming linux. Win 11 is too much. 💪🖖👏👍
Yeah. Microsoft's privacy-busting AI is really pushing me towards Linux and there's only a year worth of life left in Windows 10. I'm gonna look up that video recommendation; thanks!
on average, linux gaming performance is lower than windows due to the proton translation layer. The only game i know of, that runs better under proton, is cyberpunk. all my other games, would lose an average of 15-20% performance.
Thanks a lot for all the test and benchmarks, im pretty sure it was a lot of work but theres a lot of info that we can get out of it. At the moment i am in windows 11 24h2 debloated, im going to format and give windows 10 ltsc a try. Ryzen 7 5700x rtx2080ti b550 msi mpg i will be back with the results so we can gatter more info.
Please let us know what you find. I suspect you will see worse performance in unreal engine games on any version of 10 compared to 11 24h2 26100, assuming you had all that VBS and memory integrity crap off.
Best time to test in linux is in November or May, because the end of October and April, usually are the dates for new Linux distro release. Keep posting.
Switching back to windows 10, I’m not sure why I even upgraded but everything was running amazing before. I have a 5800x3d with a 3080ti and for some reason I can’t play warzone at all. I notice it more after windows 11 did a update around 2 weeks ago throne and liberty started to lag when I was playing fine on ultra 1440.
I would love to see these same tests after running something like Chris Titus Ultimate Windows Utility. It's something I use on all my computers and things seem faster, it's also fast and easy to run. Just the standard tweaks for performance improvements. I am interested to see if it helps.
Very interesting. I had posited that 3d vcache might mitigate some of the issues, but doesn't seem to. It is almost as if Windows 11 was made to look Intel look good, and even failed at that from the last video. Thank you so much for all this work you've done.
Intel cpus like the AMD 5000 series, ie 10th and 11th generation are just destroyed performance wise by all the security updates in windows 11. An overclocked 5.2GHz 10900kf with tuned RAM @ higher than 4000MT/s will easy match a 5800x3d with the sercuity patches turned off. Plus completely destory a 5800x3d in most productivity benchmarks as a 10900kf is a 10 core cpu. Intel cpus at the time of the amd 5000 series are hit hard performance wise in windows 11.
Windows 11 can run as well as win 10, you just have to cut some stuff out of it, which is a pain, especially when it all gets shoved back in every update. My testing between 23h2 and Garuda Linux showed Garuda outperforming windows in the few games I played, but not by a landslide. And I only play a few games, so I can't say it's for everyone, I just don't have that data. Windows 11 has become better than it was, and I'd definitely do research on the games you play and if others have found them easy to play on Linux before jumping in. There are lots of guides to debloating windows 11 and clawing back some of that sweet sweet CPU performance.
I watched videos claiming the 24H2 upgrade fixes this for the most part. The problem I see with this is how Microsoft kept quiet about this. And it makes me wonder if this was done on purpose. AMD should look at investigating this issue.
some of it might be GPU driver related Not Just CPU my experience while i was using win 10 was a bit buggy GUI sometimes and some annoying black screens while with win 11 i didnt encounter those problem very much. win 11 seems smoother to me with a AMD GPU (RDNA2 generation)
to answer my own question that's builtin in 24h2 so yes, many people reporting lower fps with this update BUT some report more consistent FPS on Tarkov which is the game that takes most advantage of these chips
Thank you for testing all these cpus. I switched to win10 before you made the video and everything felt so much smoother and consistent and I thought its just placebo but your tests confirmed what its real.
I moved to w11 for 1 day with my R9 5950x and a 1080 ti, my pc hated it and bugs started happening. I reinstalled it and it was resolved but performance really did have a small hit, which i really hoped they improved
@@lorzkotzros cuz they're twice as much if you can even get one, I agree to some extent tho if you're going to keep it a long time but I was just lookin for a chip to get me through for things to get cheaper and more available
It seems to me that, as hardware becomes more and more powerful, Microsoft no longer prioritizes optimizations. They're focused on making the UI prettier, but they forget that most users don't really care how shiny a button is. An operating system should not get in the way of one's work. That’s why hardware vendors have started to take an interest in Linux as a viable desktop OS alternative. Linux gives them the freedom to fine-tune the kernel, whereas on the Windows side, the kernel is closed-source, and you're limited by the Windows API. Don't get me wrong, I'm in no way a Linux evangelist-it still has its issues-but the openness aspect makes it a strong contender against Windows. I use Windows, Linux, and macOS, and I'm an ambassador of none, but out of the three, Windows has proven to disappoint more over the years.
Was experiencing weird stuttering every now and then on a 7800X3D. Rolled back to windows 10. stutters are gone, but now win10 crashes when RAM is running EXPO at 5200, or anything between 6000. Fine at 4800... hoping it's just a special set of RAM.
Msi b650i itx 7800x3d on w11 24h2 since September 5th or so no problems at all. Valorant got a 14-15% fps bump for me going from 23h2 without patch, without VBS, and without spectre/meltdown to 24h2.
Stuttering is not an OS issue normally. WIth AMD cpus focus on a stable IF. People set the IF with their RAM and never test if its stable. Increasing your IF above default is a cpu overclock that has to be tested.
@@GodKitty677negative. Everything is stock, well considering EXPO at 6000 is an OC, but EXPO at 5200? Either the cpu is a dud, or RAM is just what it is. Even both but that hadn’t been an issue at least for a few months. One problem fixed but got a worse one. Still, no crash at 4800. I’m just done with that set of RAM at this point
i love my 5800X3D it was an insane upgrade from first gen ryzen i went from the 1600x to the 5800x3d and it was night and day but i still need to upgrade my gpu.
I've dual booted Win 10 (Tried Win 11, and after having repeated system issues, due to Win 11's buggy updates returned to Win 10) and Zorin, a Linux distro for almost two years now, in gaming (Mostly FPS games) while using Linux seeing big improvements, thanks to Steam's Proton, some CO-Op games still have cheating issues while using Linux, running a full AMD rig, a Ryzen 5900X / DDR 3600 MHz 32 GB's Ram, on an Asus B550 Tuff MB paired with a RX6800XT, and as a rule of thumb, see an average of 7 as much 15 % increase in frame rates, in most of the games I play, between playing the same games with same PC in Win 10, after a little toying around, at the rate Microsoft is boggling and fouling down Window 11, I truly believe that Linux distros will gain a bigger gamer base, replacing Windows as it matures , perhaps in the not too far future, and would indeed enjoy seeing your results of OS/System/ GPU performance between Linux and Win 10/11, thanks for your detailed results and efforts & time getting them.
Please, tell us the exact builds of Windows and the driver version used in the description when you make that kind of tests. Make your results reproductible. Also, background tasks should be monitored.
According to your benchmark brother don't update to win11 for the Ryzen 5000 series right? I have a 5800x3d using win10 so I make sure I don't update to win11 never ever.
at this point we should compare them with Linux and other Microsoft products. As mentioned and tested by Phoronix that 9900x and 9950x was performing quite although other reviewers haven't found it exciting when it was tested on windows.
Couple of things: 1. Can you start testing AGESA revision too? AGESAs do make a difference, but it's been hard to tell a difference if we regress or progress with each iteration 2. When you move over to Ryzen 9950X if you choose to undervolt, my advice undervolt to 1.2volts, and start at 5.35 Ghz on CCD0, and 5.3 Ghz on CCD1, that was pretty stable clock for me, and it really evened out my frame to frame latency and actually beats 7950x3D in 1% and 0.1% lows. You can see my benchmarks on my channel to examine apples to apples comparison. I hope new AGESA has resolved the jitter in games, because it is not reflective on actual MSI Afterburner graph, it doesn't dip in 1% or 0.1%, and it doesn't stutter on the frame to frame, but it does jitter as CCD is still having some weird communication issue. Also, memory controller is very stable on 9950X
I'd be interested to see your take on W10 LTSC IOT and whether it performs noticeably better than stock W10 or not. Linux vs Windows would be interesting as well!
Thank you for taking the time to do these tests! I know it must be daunting.. BUT Are there any differences for the Intel processors as well? I'm on a i9 9900k and was wondering if there are gains to be had from Win10 vs Win11. I run Win11 but would gladly switch back if there were some substantial gains :)
@@RadialSeeker113 Source, please. I saw more than 1 video where this doesnt happen. What is really needed to get W11 in its best performance? It seems nobody really knows. Tomorrow they may release another trash update that sinks performance again. Who will keep testing this shit every update? Best case scenario, w11 gets the same performance as w10. Why risk getting the system in your way when you can simply install w10 and go on with your life?
am confused, how does windows make the power delivery and frequency on the gpu/cpu so different? its not much on the gpu but still but a extra 15mhz does change something but the power is also different its odd
58/57 isnt enough CPU for 4090 and 3D decoding playback still has to cross the system bus. So I get it shows more on higher performance or is that thread capable CPUs? mb
10:34 where have I heard this music street fighter or some other classic game can't quite remember. It's a remix of - Street Fighter II Arcade Music - Guile Stage for anybody that's interested
I would love to see Linux benched with these CPU's comparison to w10 & 11 results. Right now in the Linux distro's CachyOS with Gnome desktop environment is most likely the best out of the box new to Linux friendly distro that's amazing with gaming. The CachyOS kernel and the Linux kernel are a chef's kiss type of deal. I'm currently using PikaOS right now with the Liquorix kernel is a chef's kiss type of thing. I also have used the Garuda dr460nized gaming edition with the CachyOS and Liquorix kernel. muah muah muah
Should I dual boot Win10 next to Win11 and benchmark them both on my system and just stick with the winner? I've had a rock solid 5950x for 3 years on Windows 10. I got Windows 11 with my new build (9950x) and it's been nothing but trouble. I haven't even managed to get round to installing the programs I bought the computer for as I've spend the last 10 days just setting it up (had to reformat it twice already since a driver update LOST my C drive and wouldn't boot at all.
Thats it im going back to W10, after HU video about 24H2 with the W10 numbers i thought about leaving W11 but im lazy and losing a weekend to format and tweak Windows seem such a bummer, but damn those performance gains are calling me, here we go again
He tested the wrong build bro. That’s not 24h2 lol. Hogwarts is WAAAAY faster on 24h2 than both 23h2 and w10. Do not go back. I’m so frustrated with this tech RUclips channels not providing f enough detail. He doesn’t even mention the build number.
@@DesocupadoXtremounreal engine games seem to be a lot better on 24h2 26100. I really only play valorant and I got a nice FPS bump(~14%) on 7800x3d going from reviOS w11 23h2 to 24h2 insider preview. Installed it as soon as I saw that HUB testing, no issues here so far crossing fingers. 23h2 with patch puts w11 2% faster than w10, it’s just on par. But 24h2 faster than both so I really don’t think w11 is worth unless you go to 24h2.
I dont think the differences in most cases is high enough to warrent switching back to windows 10 on a clean install if you are already on 11. Its still some bullshit and not ideal, but its not really crippling performance, except the age of mythology would piss me off a bit.
after watching this video I made my mind of going back to 10 after using 11 for 2yrs on my ryzen 5 3600 btw any suggestions which version of windows 10 should I install? heard alot of u were suggesting windows 10 iot ltsc.
Did you notice that your GPU and sometimes CPU temps were lower on Windows 11? I wonder if that had anything to do with this, or was is just cooler when you tested Win11?
it's a simple case of developrs not making W11 specific optimisations, because of slow adoption due to false information. Properly coded software runs faster on 11 even with the lower power draw. 11 is just more efficient with power management.
I recently switched from win 11 23h2 to win 10 22h2 and what can I say: already on installation win 10 is much better, my games behave very well, pleasantly surprised even during bench tests, I had higher scores on win 10 (tweak). I've just seen that win 11 24h2 is out, I'm going to test and give feedback. CPU: R7 7700X Ram: 6000C30 GPU: RTX 4070 Super
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Thank you for testing the 5000 series!
The Ryzen 9 9950x he is holding with the Bleu PCB board is fake should be green
@@MadisonSquareGardendidJFK Really? I mean I got it directly from AMD lol....
Microsoft lied that windows 11 will bring better gaming than windows 10.
Microsoft might have to extend Windows 10 support.
The hardware now is too powerful to be disturbed by OS. SO i dont think OS matters now
@@DIYTech21 You are watching the exact video that is explaining how wrong you are
windows 11 has better hdr and multi monitor, but everything else is worse than 7.
@@ajsdfk windows 7 was ahead of it's time then we stupid metro theme. Plus it's God's number look how many days are in the week.
Since going back to windows 10 on my 10900kf build I've seen nice uplifts. Absolutely loving it
To bad you can't keep it if Win 11 never gets better.... If you move to Linux using legacy software, desktop environments and window managers is a CHOICE and it's not forced on the user to switch to newer Window managers for example.. I use i3 which is still updated today no doubt but will eventually be abandoned for Wayland session alternatives such as Sway.
@@dillacorn_linux no one will move to that shit, os, nothing works proper, EVEN native cs2 works like shit, let alone any anticheat game. Literally os for people that dont use thier pcs and just watch youtube - people say linux is system for advanced users - not true if u are advanced just tune the win 10 and it will smoke linux. Linux is for people that dont understand the basics of os. Its not even about compability, linux is simply bad for nromal usage, latency is simply bad. Its made to be servers, databases and things like that.
My older machine is on 10 LTSC, 9600K pretty sure it was worse on 11. Main 12900KF is on Nobara, GE Proton is pretty great on Steam.
@@erisium6988 you have no idea what you're talking about clearly.. You're heavily misinformed. Your comment is dated and has no merit..
Everyones experience will be different depending on the Linux environment you choose. I'm using "i3-wm" but GNOME and KDE is also great for gaming. GNOME has less bugs IMO but KDE Plasma 6 is still good.
Windows 10 all the way!
Windows in general at this point is done they need to extend the support of Windows 10 like they did with XP.
Windows 10 IoT LTSC has OFFICIAL Microsoft support until 2032. Search on google for "massgrave windows 10 iot ltsc" and have fun. It is the lowest DPC latency Windows version, more frames, lowest mouse latency, can notice even better websites scrolling.
Applying ReviOs playbook on it on fresh install makes it even better.
You can sail the seas and use a script to activate Windows 10 Enterprise LTSC. Only issue is some programs will recognize it as an out of date system and not run.
@@jcdenton7914 How _safe_ is that.
@@Deniz1923 I reviewed the code for that script and it's fine. You just get the Enterprise LTSC ISO and activate it with the massgrave script. I'm going to run it on my dads old PC since it allows W11 without TPM, and it's better then letting him stubbornly use Windows 10 end of life without security updates. I'll do my own system once W11 23H2 is end of life so I can avoid the recall feature on 24H2
Switched back from Win11 to Win10 IoT LTSC and it's fast af. Realized there's a lot I've missed about 10.
Did the same on my laptop It just feels more snappy
Did you try out the W11 version of IoT Enterprise LTSC? Maybe it will be a worthy successor?
I did the same thing
@@EthanNSenpaiVN nah I mostly stuck on win 10 cus there is no AI bul**** and I kinda have more control over the OS
@@EthanNSenpaiVNHii how do you get Win 11 for IoT? Appreciate it
AMD needs to sue Microsoft for this. IT's obvious that Windows 11 should've been Renamed Advanced Windows for Intel.
Frankly, it's AMDs responsibility to do regression testing and work with Microsoft to help optimise their products.
AMD should have noticed regression years ago.
They haven't. They were asleep.
They might have had an excuse when they were circling the bankruptcy drain, but they don't now.
@@myne00 BS to me sorry, especially when it works fine in Linux lol. Zen 5 performed a lot better in Linux than windows on launch. Seems to be more Microsoft BS like always, I highly doubt AMD have “been asleep” like you say
How it amd job to tell Microsoft to do they job ?
@@lemontree5986because if they don’t then this happens and AMD performs worse than it should for years until we find out about it now and suddenly it’s fixed. What are you gonna do? Go play CS2 or League on Linux? No you’re not going to do that. What happens if AMD ignores the fact their CPUs perform worse than they should in windows? People stop buying their shit. So yes, it’s AMD’s responsibility to make sure Microsoft is able to fully utilize their CPUs.
You think if Exxon gasoline only got 1/2 the mileage of Chevron in all Toyota cars they wouldn’t be all up Toyota’s ass about it?
@@eva-wh4nu When your companies fate is innately dependent on another's competence, or lack thereof, it is your responsibility to at the least check their work.
The proof AMD were asleep is that they were completely blindsided by Zen 5 reviews and these w11 performance bugs.
All the reviewers list the applications they use to benchmark. These do change over time, one by one, but not all at once. Generally speaking, the suite hadn't changed much since Zen 4.
There's no excuse for their internal testing to not have already forecast with high accuracy what the reviewers would find.
They're not a struggling company anymore.
They need to grab the reins both internally and externally.
Reminds me of when Microsoft made you believe Windows 95 and DirectX would be better than DOS gaming :D
One could never spend enough time playing battle chess in DOS off of a floppy in the 90's.
DOS DOOM was the better choice for a long time
DOS FOREVER!
Shout out to privateer 2 in Dos!
His testing is actually bad, that’s not 24h2.
So Windows 11 is not worth it for gaming? Although I just bought it for work, I'm disappointed to know that it can harm me in my free time.
Where did you get it because I also need it but due to a software problem due to a virus
BNH Software helped me find it without any problem
Windows was never built to optimize AMD chips. The scheduler in Windows 11 has been rewritten just for Intel and its performance and efficiency cores.
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
W10 22H2 works wonders on my 9950X, W11 sucks ass even canary November
Love your 2nd channel, Tech-No City. The channel where you are a famous globetrotting DJ. Partying coast to coast non stop via private jet. Good stuff!
lovely photo!
@@Gigi-zy1kx where are you from?
Great work mate. Love your content
It's strange, because in Windows 11, between the 23H2 and the patch update, I saw massive improvements in performance on my 5800X3D. I should pop my Windows install in and see if that changes things
You must be playing at 1080p. At 1440p UW I saw no difference.
23h2 patch sucks. 24h2 is faster than 10 and 23h2 with patch. The tests in the video I do not believe are actually 24h2 because in hogwarts 24h2 is waaaay faster than 23h2 with the patch and windows 10 both per hardware unboxed testing.
@@SB-mr2nk HB didn't test it right they even said so. One of their install had core isolation on the other off.
you should compared to windows 10 anyway you saw massive improvement because win 11 23h2 sucks and 24h2 improve performance
on HUB video where they tested hogwarts on windows 11 24h2, windows 10, windows 11 23h2 with patch, and windows 11 23h2 without patch-- w10 was on par with 11 23h2 with the patch, and w11 24h2 is faster than both.
In techyescity’s video, he shows w10 at 105 and 11 “24h2”(it’s not) at 98fps.
So of the three other operating systems HUB tested hogwarts on, which one still had VBS or core isolation on? Was it w10? W11 23h2 without patch? Or w11 23h2 with patch? According to you all three still had it on, but we both know that’s not the case.
None of them obviously, because HUB wouldn’t leave the video up if it was misleading. Just switch to w11 24h2 it’s faster. Why take fps hit for no reason
What do you mean 24h2 is patched? The patch is for 23h2, there’s no patch for 24h2.
What build is that windows 11? Windows 11 24h2, actual 24h2 26100 is faster than the 23h2 + “back ported branch prediction” KB5041587
It helps some, puts it closer or on par with w10, but windows 11 24h2 is faster than both. By a lot, especially in UE games
Without the exact build number of the windows 11 tests this video doesn't tell us much.
Just from your hogwarts results I suspect you didn’t use 24h2 you actually used 23h2 with KB5041587 22631.4112, correct?
You’re the second tech youtube channel I’ve seen try to say windows 10 is better or on par with windows 11 because you didn’t test 24h2 26100, but only 23h2 with KB5041587. KitGuruTech made the same error and left out 24h2 26100 benchmarks, instead assuming the patch for 23h2 is equivalent. Sorry for poopooing the video, your half-mil subscriber's FPS is at stake here!
To add, as others have mentioned, it seems win11 (for his patch)is consuming less power for both his cpu and gpu and what's weird is that it's about 10-15% less than win10.
Thanks for thr dono, though by patched I mean I used 26100. I'll check the exact number after it when I put it in next but yes you couldn't patch that version. But again by patched I mean the 24h2.
As for the results of Windows 10. Show me someone with the same as fps in the games I'm testing. As all I'm seeing from others is bar graphs. Would like to see where and how they test so I can properly cross reference.
As for the windows 10 it's the fastest os with single ccd ryzen chips. Welcome to show me otherwise but please let it be proof.
@@techyescitytimestamp 2:33 shows 22631. That’s 23h2. You didn’t test 24h2 because hogwarts on 24h2 is faster than w10(zen 4/5 not sure abou 3). Try it. You need the actual 24h2 build 26100
@@SB-mr2nk I have footage of all three builds, even a canary build. In terms of hogwarts I have tried them all, W10 gave the best results for hogwarts, especially for the Ryzen 9000 on high performance profile in windows with game mode on.
@@SB-mr2nk If you want me to try a specific 24h2 build, then please link me the ISO directly and I can check that out.
Thanks for doing this video Bryan, I've been waiting for someone to test Ryzen 5000. I'm on Windows 10 IoT LTSC, best decision I made OS wise, and end of life is 2032 to boot ...
hardware?
@@ElPelucaMilei25 5900X, 32GB RAM, 4070
@@Sid-Cannon Can you give me a link? And what cons (negative things) are there? I want it to play only.
@@ElPelucaMilei25 If you mean for LTSC, I bought it in 2019 from one of those CD Key Sales sites, but the key didn't port over to IoT LTSC 21H2 and when I tried buying that MS have made it so you can't buy a single license and it's way too expensive. So I ended up getting it off a torrent site.
@@ElPelucaMilei25 I just replied to this but youtube censored it. Let's just say I didn't buy it even though I tried to, because you couldn't get a single license and it was way too expensive. Only con I've found is crappy start menu, but I just bought StartIsBack for about a fiver.
thanks for the testing zen 3, i guess the next step its the LTSC iot one that have support until 2032 and that version its the oficial bloatless clean version of windows 10
Noticed tat seems the Windows 11 uses CPU and GPU wattage consistently lower ever so slightly on the given footages of the tests in comparison with the Windows 10 which could be the reason of the difference.
It may intend to help Intel gen 14 CPU.
Yes because cpu/gpu utilization is lower.
@@ХристоРъцев yea which is kinda interesting as ideally they should have the same utilization considering it uses the same drivers likely and hardware so seems the way on how windows 11 and 10 utilizes things have reallly a difference going on
@@kittikajorns1811 It should be bad for Intel since it uses a lot more wattage than AMD, so if there is less wattage..
Other way around.
In all your W10 vs W11 test, there is a significant difference in Watts between W10 and W11 for the same scene, W11 using less. Although the clock speeds are similar, I wonder if this has an impact on why W11 performed worse.
This is also something I’m wondering about, as I’m using a Ryzen 7 5700G on my system with Windows 11 24H2, even the Ghost Spectre version. I’m experiencing some slowdowns on my PC, which never happened before with my old hardware (Ryzen 7 2700 and Windows 10). However, past updates on 24H2 have improved performance. I occasionally encounter stuttering in games, and sometimes Edge becomes unresponsive for a few seconds. When I open Task Manager, the status doesn’t show as hanging, but the metrics freeze for a few seconds before returning to normal.
The early release of 24H2 had much worse performance, which led me to do a clean install because I thought that was the issue. I guess it’s just Windows being Windows.
I’ve already updated the BIOS and chipset drivers, but the issue persists. Fingers crossed, I hope future Windows 11 updates will fix it.
Smells cpu overheating or ram overclock too agressive or bad power supply
if you have an MSI motherboard that could cause it
i use the latest Ghost Spectre LTSC 24h2 one with 13700k and rtx 4080. One hint , use only " compact " version. When i did 23h2 and others, i mostly did " Superlite " and those versions did some crap, my system never worked as flawlessly as windows 10 official. So i tryed basic ones and it works really good. " Compact " does least mess with system proccesses and OS , but its still alot compared to normal Windows. Better have 50 things fixed working ok, than 101 fix doing some shit working like crap if you get me.
@@nab-v1w cpu under load is only on 60° never hits 70. RAM is on XMP 3200mhz
@@Geo64x gigabyte. Budget one.
Windows 10 LTSC and LTSB earlier builds are absolutely the best! Pure Desktop Experience! No Windows Store, no bloat, no ads, no need to sign into anything! Just like it was W7 and XP days!
TYC did not test 24h2 here, he tested 23h2 with the KB patch. these are not the same thing. 24h2 is a lot faster.
Last night I watched a video about Windows 11 Game Mode but for some reason the games he tested were older titles. So I have Windows 11, R7 5700x (not 3D), Gigabyte RX 6700xt but the newest game I have is Starfield which is one year old.
The video I watched showed that turning Game Mode off was better. I went to my Radeon software and wrote down my average FPS and MS, then turned off Game Mode and played the same area. I lost 10 fps and had +6MS just by turning that off in a newer title.
The version of Starfield I was running is the beta update, not public release. But I used the same version for both tests. Turned it back on and my numbers were better.
@@ragingmonk6080 Game mode is just disabling background process, if you run a lot of apps(Discord, Spotify, Autodesk, Adobe) Game Mode will help you, but if you don't the difference is just variance
These results vary for each system with different background processes, softwares and hardware used.
Played the same game on my 5800X non 3D and 6700XT. It's a great pairing.
Are you using version 24h2 and have core Isolation disabled on 11?
I don’t think so. I believe he’s using 23h2 with KB5041587. These tests are most likely invalid. At the top of all the graphs he says w11 is patched, but then lists 24h2. There is no patch for 24h2. The patch KB5041587 is for 23h2, which results in worse performance than 24h2 and is on par with w10. If he actually tested 24h2 it would be beating w10 in hogwarts
yep it's in the video
Thanks for the benchmarks Bryan, I'm using R5 3600x with rx6600 W11 de-bloated version you did , and also the R5 5600x with a 4060 ti running W10,
TYC did not test 24h2 here, he tested 23h2 with the KB patch. these are not the same thing. 24h2 is a lot faster.
Linux Fanboys: "Finally everyone is going to have to move to linux since windows 11 is so bad! It's finally going to be the year of the linux PC!!!!"
Everyone: "Ok time to upgrade back to windows 10."
absolutely the IoT Enterprise LTSC version is amazing. I have been running it for a few months and it feels way better than w11 but watch out for certain laptop drivers that may be windows 11 only they might not work as well
Where can a person find this Windows and is it safe to use?
@@cookiemonsta_za Unfortunately, you do need to download from a 3rd party but for security purposes, what you'd do is download it from some 3rd party source and then compare its md5 checksum to at least 2 other (not from where you downloaded from) places. If it matches, you're golden
Windows 11 on Dual-CCD Ryzens could potentially be better for 1%lows with CPPC and Preffered Cores turned on in the BIOS due to Windows 11 being better desinged for hybrid CPU types like PCores/Ecores or multi chiplet stuff, I know CPPC did a lot for my 5900X for smoothness and thread organizing
Finally, the comparison we wanted... the comparison we asked for.
Yes please test Windows 10 IoT enterprise ltsc 2021! It's the best option for people who want to stay on windows 10 and continue to get security updates.
For those who don't know W10 iot enterprise ltsc will get support all the way until 2032. It also supports permanent HWID activation.
Additionally, there's also a W11 iot enterprise ltsc which also has long support. Moreover, it's a stripped down version of W11 without all the bloat. The only thing I'm not sure about is if this version of Windows gets the performance updates for ryzen cpus.
@@ChrisL-d4c It's definitely possible but i highly doubt they would that quickly. Programs and games only recently started dropping support for windows 7. Personally i wouldn't worry about it until it because an issue.
If you are worried there's Windows 11 iot enterprise ltsc you can use. Hopefully TYC will benchmark both Windows 10 and 11 versions of iot enterprise ltsc.
Hello, could you provide the download link, thank you
Definately it is time to start testing games in one linux distro too. Looking forward to that. Chris Titus tech has a nice video on choosing gaming linux. Win 11 is too much. 💪🖖👏👍
Yeah. Microsoft's privacy-busting AI is really pushing me towards Linux and there's only a year worth of life left in Windows 10. I'm gonna look up that video recommendation; thanks!
@@robynrox 2025 the Rise of Linux gaming and the fall of windows gaming.
on average, linux gaming performance is lower than windows due to the proton translation layer. The only game i know of, that runs better under proton, is cyberpunk. all my other games, would lose an average of 15-20% performance.
@@GASTBFit's a mixed bag for sure. It's nice that most games run fine on well configured Linux.
PLEASE INCLUDE WINDOWS BUILD NUMBER VERSIONS INSIDE THE VIDEO AND DESCRIPTION PLEASE
THIS IS NOT WINDOWS 11 24H2 26100 IN THE VIDEO
Was it just me or all win11 benchmarks had lower watts on the CPU? did win11 limit power to the CPU??
Thank you for the Linux consideration. I've been using it exclusively since 2018.
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Thanks a lot for all the test and benchmarks, im pretty sure it was a lot of work but theres a lot of info that we can get out of it. At the moment i am in windows 11 24h2 debloated, im going to format and give windows 10 ltsc a try. Ryzen 7 5700x rtx2080ti b550 msi mpg i will be back with the results so we can gatter more info.
Please let us know what you find. I suspect you will see worse performance in unreal engine games on any version of 10 compared to 11 24h2 26100, assuming you had all that VBS and memory integrity crap off.
Just use W11 until 11/11, then we will all go back to 7 on that day. Screw W10, it's a terrible OS. Let's go back to 7 and demand better!
Any updates?
Good one Brian, I hope you continue testing CPUs and include CS2 on low settings like before
Wow. I have literally just ordered a 5700X3D! (for my new gaming rig) - perfect timing!
Best time to test in linux is in November or May, because the end of October and April, usually are the dates for new Linux distro release. Keep posting.
Appreciate all the work Bry 😇💪🥰👍! Keep that awesome content coming 🤯🤩
So are they really ending support for windows 10 in 2025?
Thanks for your well done content as always :)
Switching back to windows 10, I’m not sure why I even upgraded but everything was running amazing before. I have a 5800x3d with a 3080ti and for some reason I can’t play warzone at all. I notice it more after windows 11 did a update around 2 weeks ago throne and liberty started to lag when I was playing fine on ultra 1440.
Just switch back to windows 10 and everything works.
Found out it was the resize bar that was giving me the issue and not windows 11. Turn it off for cod.
Thank you for those benchmarks and advices, I was one of the person who asked for it.
i7 12700k Is it a better choice than the mentioned AMD processors (full support for Windows 11)
YES! I am 1000% interested in your Windows 11 LTSC testing. Hope to see the videos soon.
I would love to see these same tests after running something like Chris Titus Ultimate Windows Utility. It's something I use on all my computers and things seem faster, it's also fast and easy to run. Just the standard tweaks for performance improvements. I am interested to see if it helps.
You know what's good for your CPU?
Tech YES Lovin'.
I was actually hoping to see an 5900X or 5950X, since hey, they do have 2x CCD's...
Anyways, good job.
been using Windows 10 LTSC editions since version 1607 (LTSB 2016) on all my PCs :)
Yes! I still have that LTSB version on a stick somewhere, running 2019 LTSC version since 2020 without any issues over 4+ years now
@@DigitalNomad88 ltsc is the way to go.
Ghost Spectre iso or some such crap if not stolen from work. Just switch to linux at that point, at least that ain't piracy.
Very interesting. I had posited that 3d vcache might mitigate some of the issues, but doesn't seem to. It is almost as if Windows 11 was made to look Intel look good, and even failed at that from the last video. Thank you so much for all this work you've done.
Intel cpus like the AMD 5000 series, ie 10th and 11th generation are just destroyed performance wise by all the security updates in windows 11. An overclocked 5.2GHz 10900kf with tuned RAM @ higher than 4000MT/s will easy match a 5800x3d with the sercuity patches turned off. Plus completely destory a 5800x3d in most productivity benchmarks as a 10900kf is a 10 core cpu. Intel cpus at the time of the amd 5000 series are hit hard performance wise in windows 11.
It’s bad data. He didn’t test 24h2, he tested 23h2 with KB5041587. Actual 24h2 build 26100 is faster.
3D cache cant fix bad programming
Linux, might be the option for me. Thx for suggesting it.Looking forward to more videos!!! Thank you!!!! Always GREAT CONTENT!!!!
Windows 11 can run as well as win 10, you just have to cut some stuff out of it, which is a pain, especially when it all gets shoved back in every update.
My testing between 23h2 and Garuda Linux showed Garuda outperforming windows in the few games I played, but not by a landslide. And I only play a few games, so I can't say it's for everyone, I just don't have that data.
Windows 11 has become better than it was, and I'd definitely do research on the games you play and if others have found them easy to play on Linux before jumping in. There are lots of guides to debloating windows 11 and clawing back some of that sweet sweet CPU performance.
Does this take into account 2024h2?
I watched videos claiming the 24H2 upgrade fixes this for the most part. The problem I see with this is how Microsoft kept quiet about this. And it makes me wonder if this was done on purpose. AMD should look at investigating this issue.
some of it might be GPU driver related Not Just CPU
my experience while i was using win 10 was a bit buggy GUI sometimes and some annoying black screens
while with win 11 i didnt encounter those problem very much.
win 11 seems smoother to me with a AMD GPU (RDNA2 generation)
Just what I need, THANKS!
is that with the infamous KB5041587 update rolled a few days ago?
to answer my own question that's builtin in 24h2 so yes, many people reporting lower fps with this update BUT some report more consistent FPS on Tarkov which is the game that takes most advantage of these chips
Thank you for testing all these cpus. I switched to win10 before you made the video and everything felt so much smoother and consistent and I thought its just placebo but your tests confirmed what its real.
I moved to w11 for 1 day with my R9 5950x and a 1080 ti, my pc hated it and bugs started happening. I reinstalled it and it was resolved but performance really did have a small hit, which i really hoped they improved
Sticking with w10 until i see if 25H2 actually reaches it in performance
Why, HUB already showed 11 24h2 is faster. This video doesn’t even say the build numbers, we have no idea what he tested.
@@SB-mr2nk my games started crashing after updating to windows 11. Updated a day ago. Now I just go back on 10. Windows 11 garbage
Windows started taking the direction you're talking about ever since 10 came out, nowadays 10 is just the lesser evil.
Thank you very much, this is exactly what I wanted to see.
I have a 5600, but may well upgrade to 5700X3D at some point.
Why would you Do that? Go to 5800x3d or dont? In my opinion
@@lorzkotzros Because I can. buy a 5700XD for $160ish.
@@lorzkotzros cuz they're twice as much if you can even get one, I agree to some extent tho if you're going to keep it a long time but I was just lookin for a chip to get me through for things to get cheaper and more available
you need to state weather this is after recent win 11 preview update..as-well if you have turned vbs (core isolation) off.
It’s 23h2 not 24h2
It seems to me that, as hardware becomes more and more powerful, Microsoft no longer prioritizes optimizations. They're focused on making the UI prettier, but they forget that most users don't really care how shiny a button is. An operating system should not get in the way of one's work. That’s why hardware vendors have started to take an interest in Linux as a viable desktop OS alternative. Linux gives them the freedom to fine-tune the kernel, whereas on the Windows side, the kernel is closed-source, and you're limited by the Windows API.
Don't get me wrong, I'm in no way a Linux evangelist-it still has its issues-but the openness aspect makes it a strong contender against Windows. I use Windows, Linux, and macOS, and I'm an ambassador of none, but out of the three, Windows has proven to disappoint more over the years.
Any differences on higher resolutions?
Was experiencing weird stuttering every now and then on a 7800X3D. Rolled back to windows 10. stutters are gone, but now win10 crashes when RAM is running EXPO at 5200, or anything between 6000.
Fine at 4800... hoping it's just a special set of RAM.
Me too.
Msi b650i itx 7800x3d on w11 24h2 since September 5th or so no problems at all. Valorant got a 14-15% fps bump for me going from 23h2 without patch, without VBS, and without spectre/meltdown to 24h2.
Stuttering is not an OS issue normally. WIth AMD cpus focus on a stable IF. People set the IF with their RAM and never test if its stable. Increasing your IF above default is a cpu overclock that has to be tested.
@@GodKitty677negative. Everything is stock, well considering EXPO at 6000 is an OC, but EXPO at 5200?
Either the cpu is a dud, or RAM is just what it is. Even both but that hadn’t been an issue at least for a few months.
One problem fixed but got a worse one. Still, no crash at 4800. I’m just done with that set of RAM at this point
@@GodKitty677Aha thx you know so good... Try it then Talk. I tried several Times. Nothing about stable IF, cause its everytime better on W10
You need to mention if Resize bar is enabled in bios and maybe do a vs for that in each game?!
i love my 5800X3D it was an insane upgrade from first gen ryzen i went from the 1600x to the 5800x3d and it was night and day but i still need to upgrade my gpu.
I've dual booted Win 10 (Tried Win 11, and after having repeated system issues, due to Win 11's buggy updates returned to Win 10) and Zorin, a Linux distro for almost two years now, in gaming (Mostly FPS games) while using Linux seeing big improvements, thanks to Steam's Proton, some CO-Op games still have cheating issues while using Linux, running a full AMD rig, a Ryzen 5900X / DDR 3600 MHz 32 GB's Ram, on an Asus B550 Tuff MB paired with a RX6800XT, and as a rule of thumb, see an average of 7 as much 15 % increase in frame rates, in most of the games I play, between playing the same games with same PC in Win 10, after a little toying around, at the rate Microsoft is boggling and fouling down Window 11, I truly believe that Linux distros will gain a bigger gamer base, replacing Windows as it matures , perhaps in the not too far future, and would indeed enjoy seeing your results of OS/System/ GPU performance between Linux and Win 10/11, thanks for your detailed results and efforts & time getting them.
Please, tell us the exact builds of Windows and the driver version used in the description when you make that kind of tests. Make your results reproductible.
Also, background tasks should be monitored.
According to your benchmark brother don't update to win11 for the Ryzen 5000 series right? I have a 5800x3d using win10 so I make sure I don't update to win11 never ever.
at this point we should compare them with Linux and other Microsoft products. As mentioned and tested by Phoronix that 9900x and 9950x was performing quite although other reviewers haven't found it exciting when it was tested on windows.
When you do get around to testing Linux, test Arch, Fedora, and Debian. I'm not going to suggest which distro to use. I'll leave that up to you.
Would love to see Linux Garuda with the Liquorix kernel vs these windows 10 / 11 results...
Couple of things:
1. Can you start testing AGESA revision too? AGESAs do make a difference, but it's been hard to tell a difference if we regress or progress with each iteration
2. When you move over to Ryzen 9950X if you choose to undervolt, my advice undervolt to 1.2volts, and start at 5.35 Ghz on CCD0, and 5.3 Ghz on CCD1, that was pretty stable clock for me, and it really evened out my frame to frame latency and actually beats 7950x3D in 1% and 0.1% lows. You can see my benchmarks on my channel to examine apples to apples comparison. I hope new AGESA has resolved the jitter in games, because it is not reflective on actual MSI Afterburner graph, it doesn't dip in 1% or 0.1%, and it doesn't stutter on the frame to frame, but it does jitter as CCD is still having some weird communication issue. Also, memory controller is very stable on 9950X
He tested the wrong build, that’s not 24h2
what about intels 11th gen cpus?
Windows 10 iot enterprise ltsc
I'd be interested to see your take on W10 LTSC IOT and whether it performs noticeably better than stock W10 or not. Linux vs Windows would be interesting as well!
Thank you for taking the time to do these tests! I know it must be daunting..
BUT
Are there any differences for the Intel processors as well? I'm on a i9 9900k and was wondering if there are gains to be had from Win10 vs Win11. I run Win11 but would gladly switch back if there were some substantial gains :)
i have ryzen 7700 and have been experiencing some issues with win11 which i dont remember facing with win10. So should I downgrade??\
How were any of you convinced that installing a newer version of Windows wouldn't decrease application performance?
I just got my 5700x3D from our new Micro Center for $155, can't wait to roll back from Windows 11, do a fresh install of Windows 10 and let it rip!
Win 11 24h2 with core isolation and VBS off beats or is on par with win 10
@@RadialSeeker113 Source, please. I saw more than 1 video where this doesnt happen. What is really needed to get W11 in its best performance? It seems nobody really knows. Tomorrow they may release another trash update that sinks performance again. Who will keep testing this shit every update?
Best case scenario, w11 gets the same performance as w10. Why risk getting the system in your way when you can simply install w10 and go on with your life?
am confused, how does windows make the power delivery and frequency on the gpu/cpu so different?
its not much on the gpu but still but a extra 15mhz does change something but the power is also different its odd
how did you patch the core isolation?
58/57 isnt enough CPU for 4090 and 3D decoding playback still has to cross the system bus. So I get it shows more on higher performance or is that thread capable CPUs? mb
10:34 where have I heard this music street fighter or some other classic game can't quite remember.
It's a remix of - Street Fighter II Arcade Music - Guile Stage for anybody that's interested
I would love to see Linux benched with these CPU's comparison to w10 & 11 results. Right now in the Linux distro's CachyOS with Gnome desktop environment is most likely the best out of the box new to Linux friendly distro that's amazing with gaming. The CachyOS kernel and the Linux kernel are a chef's kiss type of deal. I'm currently using PikaOS right now with the Liquorix kernel is a chef's kiss type of thing. I also have used the Garuda dr460nized gaming edition with the CachyOS and Liquorix kernel. muah muah muah
just went back to 10 and all my problems have been solved. I sure as hell wasnt in my right mind a couple months ago when I decided to "upgrade" to 11
Should I dual boot Win10 next to Win11 and benchmark them both on my system and just stick with the winner? I've had a rock solid 5950x for 3 years on Windows 10. I got Windows 11 with my new build (9950x) and it's been nothing but trouble. I haven't even managed to get round to installing the programs I bought the computer for as I've spend the last 10 days just setting it up (had to reformat it twice already since a driver update LOST my C drive and wouldn't boot at all.
Can you do this test with process lasso running in the background?
For Win11 was VBS on or off?
He used w11 23h2 not 24h2.
Thats it im going back to W10, after HU video about 24H2 with the W10 numbers i thought about leaving W11 but im lazy and losing a weekend to format and tweak Windows seem such a bummer, but damn those performance gains are calling me, here we go again
He tested the wrong build bro. That’s not 24h2 lol. Hogwarts is WAAAAY faster on 24h2 than both 23h2 and w10. Do not go back. I’m so frustrated with this tech RUclips channels not providing f enough detail. He doesn’t even mention the build number.
@@SB-mr2nk i saw that 21600 is better but is it better them W10? and i mean i don't even play HL, the other games also got a bump?
@@DesocupadoXtremounreal engine games seem to be a lot better on 24h2 26100. I really only play valorant and I got a nice FPS bump(~14%) on 7800x3d going from reviOS w11 23h2 to 24h2 insider preview. Installed it as soon as I saw that HUB testing, no issues here so far crossing fingers.
23h2 with patch puts w11 2% faster than w10, it’s just on par. But 24h2 faster than both so I really don’t think w11 is worth unless you go to 24h2.
@@SB-mr2nk nice, i think i will wait for the official release of 24H2 and see how it goes, im really traumatized of insider previews
@@SB-mr2nk fortnite crashes every after i updated to 24h2. I never had any problems on win 10. Win11 is garbage
what about using a debloated windows 11 install via chris titus' microwin utility?
Is there a possibility that we’ll get a comparison between Windows 10 IoT LTSC vs Windows 11 IoT LTSC (24H2)?
I dont think the differences in most cases is high enough to warrent switching back to windows 10 on a clean install if you are already on 11. Its still some bullshit and not ideal, but its not really crippling performance, except the age of mythology would piss me off a bit.
after watching this video I made my mind of going back to 10 after using 11 for 2yrs on my ryzen 5 3600 btw any suggestions which version of windows 10 should I install? heard alot of u were suggesting windows 10 iot ltsc.
Did you notice that your GPU and sometimes CPU temps were lower on Windows 11? I wonder if that had anything to do with this, or was is just cooler when you tested Win11?
it's a simple case of developrs not making W11 specific optimisations, because of slow adoption due to false information. Properly coded software runs faster on 11 even with the lower power draw. 11 is just more efficient with power management.
TYC did not test 24h2 here, he tested 23h2 with the KB patch. these are not the same thing. 24h2 is a lot faster.
Ryzen laptops with APUs suffer the same problems ??? I have a ryzen 5500u
what you guys gonna do when microsoft stops support for win 10? especially when you own a ryzen 5000 cpu, will you switch to 11 or stick with 10?
Forgive me if I missed the info, but was this tested with the KB504187 better branch prediction update for Ryzen processors for both OSes?
What he’s calling 24h2 in the video is actually 23h2. The video’s conclusions are wrong.
Hi! Do you think an A610 cpu cooler is enough for the 5700x3d
What is up Aussie? I would like to know , what happened to X79 and X99 benchis?
Why nobody is mention 4000 series?
This the case even with laptop variants like ryzen 7 5800H?
I recently switched from win 11 23h2 to win 10 22h2 and what can I say: already on installation win 10 is much better, my games behave very well, pleasantly surprised even during bench tests, I had higher scores on win 10 (tweak). I've just seen that win 11 24h2 is out, I'm going to test and give feedback.
CPU: R7 7700X
Ram: 6000C30
GPU: RTX 4070 Super