As some of you might be aware, Gray Haddock was recently fired from Rooster Teeth. Thanks to Calxiyn’s hard work, we now know from inside sources that Gray was… pretty much a terrible director: overworking the animators on the gen:LOCK team; taking funds from the 2D Animation department and moving them to gen:LOCK; and forcing animators to redo so much of their work, the show wound up going millions of dollars over budget only to underperform. With Gray gone, things at RT can hopefully improve. It seems, however, that production on RWBY has been fine for the most part, with the sources having praises for Miles and Kerry. So I hope that while this revelation might put much more of RT’s recent issues into context, it won’t lead to further misplaced animosity towards M&K or the members of CRWBY.
Yeah, especially from what I have heard that Gray may or may not be a psycopath... Yikes. It's crazy how only two guys can cause so much damage to people's lively hoods. And unfortunately despite this revelation of Gray's true nature, I know all too well that many of the HTDM are just going to spin things to make CRWBY look bad.
I feel that the show is good but it could take some notes from the Japanese anime it is based on, the best ones i can think of are my hero academia and attack on titan since these both have parallels in RWBY, whether that be a walled city trying to keep out monsters because we all know the grim aren't terrifying or the basic dynamics of being a hero/ huntress in these worlds either way the show has room to improve, i've been watching it from day one and i still love it but i hope this helps
He was consistence with they story the rest feel like oh you guys just exsit to add more artifictal tenseition.like we barely see half of the villans and i like tryan and he's barely around. Not sure where 7 is going lets just hope theu dont fuck it up.
He literally adlibbed because Monty doesn't have ideas for him. He's meant to just be an unique pedestrian at first. Though if you like Roman as a concept, all 3 manga versions have better Roman depiction than the official novel.
My favourite villain is definitely Torchwick, but my problem with the other villains stem more the story. I don't know how to quite put it, but I always enjoyed RWBY more when it was... lower to the ground, about the school, about the politics. Realistic isn't really acurate by I just wasn't really expecting the story to eventually turn out to be about Gods of light and dark and all these really potent highfantasy elements. I liked the underground mafia team rocket thing torchwick had it, and how that was utalised to undermine beacon, but now i feel loke its awkwardly offset by having the main villain be some imortal incarnation of darkness. I guess im just sad about the disparity between old and new RWBY
@@Luke-lq9rn We know Remnant is a harsh place, but at least when the story was still around the school, we felt that if the protags mess up a little, they can recover from it and get stronger for it. If they mess THIS up, the planet is toast. The stakes got so high that failing is literally *NOT* an option. Too tense.
@@benjaminmcneil574 I agree. Honestly I'd much prefer if there was no Salem and Cinder was the main villain who's out to get all the maiden powers to rule the world and become unstoppable and even immortal herself [if she gets all the maidens maybe she can become forever young?]. Like say she actually killed Ozpin but there'd be no Salem and Oz doesn't regenerate? That way the sole main conflict is between Cinder and Ruby.
@@Luke-lq9rn I guess the scale just got too grand. I liked it when things where a bit more intimate and the story was more personal. To me it kinda just feels like everything's spanning a massive continent, but the contours of everything are being streched artificially rather than moved gently.
I expected it to get there, but on a much slower burn. Think more like Harry Potter timescale, or My Hero Academia. They’d still be at school now, but the missions they get sent on would be getting harder, and we’d see the villains having multiple plans going on, rather than a race for the artifacts.
Early RWBY-“Wow Raven is so mysterious. Not sure if she’s evil or misunderstood and I can’t wait to see what happens when Yang meets her. Volume 5-“Well we still have Adam. He’s like an evil Samurai, he’s so cool he’s calm, precise, and devoted to his cause and nothing else. No way they can completely butcher his character. Volume 7-“Well at least we still have Neo.” Everyone: I swear, you better not jinx it
RWBY's villains are all bland. Torchwick was a phenomenal villain, but the moment we got any story out of him, he was killed off. Neo has a lot of potential, but the only reason she's not bad is because we simply don't know that much about her yet. Cinder sucks. Cinder COULD have an interesting backstory full of heartache, pain, revenge, etc... BUT WE DON'T KNOW. Therefore, she's reduced to this slightly alluring sexy villainous type who's downright generic and useless at times. Emerald and Mercury have the most potential, as they are both students and both seem to question their current moral standing... Or at least, they had the most potential until the writers stopped caring about them. Now they're just generic henchmen. Salem is okay, but bland overall. She has an interesting backstory, but there are major flaws in her logic and her motivation seems to be "destroy the world" which is stupid. A better motivation would be to "Get her family back." Collect all four maidens, adopt them as her daughters and try and start over again, regardless of the consequences for the rest of the world. There's something beautiful there. But no, just "destroy the world" I guess. Watts sucks. He doesn't do anything. Tyrion is fun, but ultimately his motivation is to just please Salem, no matter what. He doesn't have any goals of his own it seems. Hazel HAD the most potential. He was a brick shit-house with a mind for war and negotiation. That's interesting! But then he goes full dumb rage monster and his entire motivation, the reason he hates Ozpin, is because Hazel's sister died while becoming a Huntress. She died (I'm assuming to the Grimm) and what does Hazel do? Ally himself with the woman who CONTROLS THE GRIMM. What is that logic?? OH yes, and Adam... Adam could have been the most interesting character; a radical fuelled by a tortured backstory and a need to see his people as victorious... Then they made him an abusive ex-boyfriend who doesn't give a fuck about his own people, all in favour of hurting his ex-girlfriend, Blake. Really interesting. (sarcasm) TL;DR RWBY has no GOOD villains. Only POTENTIALLY good villains.
There were only snippets of Adam's character. Essentially the character short released felt like a way to release a bunch of lore painting him out so he'd be a justified death. The thing about Adam is that he was like a tempered blade, hard, strong, and sharp. But when it breaks it doesn't bend, it shatters. If you can get through his facade he's not the big bad he was. My problem with him is that Blake just sorta woke up one morning and didn't care, she just sorta treated him like a side thought and suddenly he was nothing.
@@judith5327 No he wasn't. He began as an idealistic revolutionary who hated humans and wanted to see the faunus as ruling class. Never was he abusive in the first two volumes. Blake even thought of him fondly as a mentor, maybe there was an attraction but it was just hinted at. Then randomly in volume 3 he calls her "my love", beats her, stabs her, and cuts off Yang's arm (a power he has never used since. The writers made him op and then chickened out later). Adam went through a major character redesign and they completely forgot about what made him good in the first place.
@@Kaipyro67ALT He just appeared once between volumes 1 and 2, in the finale of Volume 2, how could you know from that if he was abusive or not? And Blake doesn't think fondly of him she just says he was her mentor, and she runs away from him in the black trailer, you don't run away from someone you think fondly of. Adam never got nerfed, he just has a very op semblance what he does to Yang is the same thing he does to an armor gigas in the black trailer, keep in mind that those armor gigas in the black trailer didn't have aura and he just absorbed a laser beam through his sword so it's natural that it got destroyed inmediately, in his confrontation with Yang is the same thing he just absorbed the bullets from Blake's weapon and with that he was able cut her arm off easily. But you take his sword away from him and he's not really that tough. Like I said in my previous comment, all of that are just headcanons y'all made in your heads between the time he was absent in volumes 1 and 2. The black trailer already shows the type of person he is.
In my opinion, I think Cinder should have stayed “dead” for Vol 6 and have her come back in Vol 7. Same for Neo. Replace their scenes with Adam scenes. After he got his own character short, I thought to myself that he would play a big role. Yet, he shows up in ep 1, one PTSD flashback with Yang, and that’s all we got before he fought Blake and Yang. Give us a bit more insight into why he became so obsessed with Blake, and how he was able to find her. Give his character a bit more depth before he has to go.
But then we get the Volume 5 problem where characters are used in the show more than they need to be. Yeah, I said it. Adam's usage in Volume 6 was the right way. Besides, it's not like I didn't IMMEDIATELY and 100% correctly predict he'd show up at the tower when Blake went alone with the clues they gave us as is.
The thing about Adam Taurus was they made a perfect fade into black moment for his character. I mean after he destroyed the throne he could have just fell to his knees then fade to black and no one ever talks about him again and it would have been perfect. It felt more like volume six was just being a dead horse with this abusive crazy boyfriend thing. Personally I prefer the Adam of volumes 2 + 3 but frankly all they had to do was just leave him in the throne room and episode 1 and it would have been done
@@lordsinister707 Oh please, we all know that A) they would've never left it there (even if they did decide to go a different route) and B) the Adam Taurus fans would've bitched and moaned about that being his finale in the show instead of the current one.
Then all you would have to say was that we would revisit his character in a sequel series or such. At that point in time , his whole relevance to the plot was gone. The way they brought him back in volume 6 just felt out of nowhere. There may have been clues in such that he was there but the fight itself felt out of place in that volume. Now I could see the fight in maybe Volume 7 or volume eight keeping the clues that they had volume six oh, but right then right there it would have made way more sense if Blake was having trouble with a high-ranking officer from the atlas military. I mean if that Tower was so important, why weren't the strongest Atlas soldiers guarding it? I mean you could have made another one off character that actually gave a good fight.
My thought is: no except maybe. The biggest problem with RWBY villains in general is that we don’t spend enough time with them, compared to the protagonists. I see there’s a ton of stuff that can be done with all of them. Another problem is that they reveal the interesting parts of the villains in mobile games. For instance, Knights Chronicle says that Cinder is jealous of those with natural talents and hates people weaker than her. Okay, now play that up more in the series proper, because I think that’s pretty interesting. Hazel’s description in Amity Arena is pretty interesting too, again they need to play it up more. So far the best villain in my mind is Hazel, he has probably the most understandable reason for joining Salem. And he probably sees Ozpin as the greater evil. I like Cinder too (yeah I know, wrong comment section to say this), and it kinda frustrates me that fixing her character is probably the easiest thing to do, yet they want to focus on Nora instead.
@@fadedneonzzz9259 Because they haven't touched on her reason for wanting power, I guess. I mean, we have _guesses_ based on her fairytale, but that doesn't really mean much until they actually show hints of it, like how Emerald and Mercury, despite just showing the part where they met her, at _least_ had a hint of why they wanted to join her-Emerald wanted out of poverty (despite having a semblance that's useful for being a thief) while Mercury probably wanted to join for employment, seeing as they were originally hiring his assassin dad. They didn't even need some sort of elaborate backstory like Salem/Ozpin, they were just kids who grew up in an unforgiving world, and at the very least, it made some fans sympathize with them in a way. Cinder, meanwhile, wants power to the point of having been roped into a war and have her biology somewhat change because...? We don't know.
Alinah Lamis that seems to be the only thing holding her back. And it’s terrible if we have to make our own headcanon just so we can enjoy the character. I want Cinder to improve so much, and her being partnered with Neo was the best thing they could’ve done.
@@alinahlamis783 They have touched upon it. She "wanted to be strong" But she's also arrogant, has poor planing ability, and has only lived this long due to plot armor. She was interesting back in Volume 3, but she's crap now. A generic haha villain that needs to die. Kinda like how Blake's character arc made her belong in the garbage.
I feel like Hazel and Salem are such missed opportunities. Hazel had a ton of promise. V4 and most of V5 showed him as a surprisingly reasonable, peaceful and empathic villain. It raised a lot of intrigue - why was this seemingly moral person siding with the villain? What was their deal? Plus he gave off an awesome sense of dread. You clearly felt that, if he chose to fight, he'd be incredibly powerful. And then he dropped all that and became a screaming madman, a standard mindless brute. He dropped everything that made him interesting. And not only was the delivery of his backstory clumsy, but the content of said backstory was unsatisfying and also yet another missed opportunity. RWBY is really desperate with making Ozpin seem shady without actually having him do anything shady. This led to way too much outrage over him giving Raven and Qrow bird powers. And it also bleeds into Hazel's backstory. Let me propose a slightly different scenario. Imagine Hazel's sister was a prodigy just like team RWBY. And just like with RWBY Ozpin took notice and gave her special treatment, closing his eyes when she snuck off to fight evil and eventually actively encouraging her to stand against Salem even though she was still only a child. And when she got killed, it wasn't a random training mission, it was because he specifically sent her to fight Salem's goons, a battle he felt was important but knew was likely to get her killed. Instantly this makes Ozpin's character more interesting, Hazel's character more interesting, and also serves as a great parallel to the present, creating a moral dilemma. Meanwhile, Salem... I thought her backstory was building to something really good for a while. What if her ultimate motivation, her ultimate goal, is to die? She was a thoroughly unhappy person, then got a taste of life and someone worth spending it with... only to have him yanked away. And then she was turned immortal after losing the will to live. Finally the impossible happens and she's reunited with her loved one, only for him to turn his back on her. At that point she's just done with this world and wants to die already. But she can't. However, the gods said "as long as this world turns, you shall walk its face" - so what if it stops turning? What if it's destroyed? Can she finally be free? (Of course, suicide as the end goal is super dark, but also super effective in this case) Technically that might still be the case, her ultimate goal isn't quite known yet (which is what keeps her character from being interesting enough). But I feel like the show shot itself in the foot when she threw herself into the pool of Grimm and got turned into a creature who wanted nothing but destruction. That instantly cheapens the impact of her character. She could've fallen into the pool at _any_ point in her character arc, and provided she was immortal it would've had the same effect. She no longer makes the choices she makes due to how the past has shaped her, but due to being corrupted by evil magic. Just doesn't have the same power to it. Salem's character has really improved in Volume 6, but I feel like some creative choices made her fall short of becoming truly compelling.
@@donone352 Way to dismiss these actually good ideas and prompts based on a pfp. Also I'd argue if anything Jaune is one of the more well written characters in the show (I'm not saying he's good). The reason he's better written is because he actually has a good motivation, and develops as a character and a fighter. This is something that most characters are missing completely, Cinder. Her motivation is power, which is cliche at best, and lazy at worst. Why does she want power? Who instilled the idea in her head that power is desirable? We never get that. Jaune does get one, which is to essentially make something of himself. He's a pretty terrible fighter, socially awkward, and gets picked on often. In seasons 3-5 his goal switches over to avenging Pyrhha which makes sense for his character, Pyrhha was Jaune's lover and helped him grow as a character so it'd be natural for him to want vengeance for her. Jaune also goes through a dramatic shift in character, with him becoming less goofy and beginning to take charge as a leader, even getting a weapon upgrade in season 4 and 7.
@@TortoiseNotTurtle Nah jaune is shit, he puts me to sleep everytime he's on-screen. Sure the jaune Pyrrha plot was okay, but what is jaune story arc now???, Jaune is like a bad smell which won't go away
Honestly it would've been fun seeing Hazel still being a brute but with a more calming approach, such as calmly giving Oscar/Oz the Loki treatment, trademark Hulk.
Roman: I did it to survive! **Finally have a Villain with a motive** **Get killed by a Grim** WHAT IN THE LIVING F**K?! And especially Adam. Why is it always the interesting villains get killed off the episode they became interesting?
I have a problem with how Emerald and Mercury are depicted that nobody else seems to notice: In their very first appearance, they're both clearly established as remorseless killers. Not only do they kill Tuxon without hesitation, but they - especially Emerald - seem to be taking a lot of perverse joy in slowly making him realize he's doomed. After he's dead they joke about it and have a casual convo about what type of faunus he was. This tells me they're both complete sociopaths. So when in Volume 3 Emerald shows horror at what's going on in Beacon, it just doesn't make sense. If she was supposed to have empathy, then why contradict that so blatantly in Volume 2? It makes a lot more sense with Mercury. Volume 6 shows how he's trying to fit in with the other bad guys, how he's been training for ages to suppress his guilt for what he does. He could totally have mastered the facade that he didn't care, even convinced himself that he didn't care. But Emerald doesn't receive any such treatment. They introduce her going in one direction, and then sneakily retcon all of that to make her a more sympathetic character. To clarify, I have nothing against making her a sympathetic character. In fact, whenever I manage to ignore her portrayal in Volume 2, I love what they're doing with her. Just... I wish they had either introduced her character like that to begin with (maybe not with noticeable doubts, but not taking glee in killing either), or at least given a reason as to why she'd fake such glee.
Dude. She kill one guy who was part of Roman thing, they have a reason to kill him. The fall of beacon was a f*cking apocalypse. There's nothing to say, it's kinda obvious...
@@guicaldo7164 She was a robber. She is filthy and when she enjoys killing him? We don't even see that and when where close to that she's done with the build up and even that it's another thing. You can't compare one guy who was actually with Roman vs millions of people at the fall of Beacon. There you can see Mercury who has a big enjoy of the hell going on, she doesn't.
You know, i never thought if how disconnected the main heroes are from the plot until V6, like it took 4 volumes before they even knew who they are actually fighting a none of them have a reason to stop her beyond "gotta say the word" unless until Ruby and Yang put 2 and 2 together and realize that their mom was more likely killed by Salem
ERROR ANONIMO I mean maybe? Salem didn’t want Ruby to die, and the people who targeted Maria don’t seem to be related to Salem. It is quite possible Salem doesn’t care about killing silver eyed people.
Torchwick honestly deserved better than this show. I know that we can’t get a spin off due to Gray, but, a spin off comic or manga would be good for the character. Go into his backstory and stuff.Show how he met Neo
"Like Candlelight" on Fanfiction.net is exactly the kind of thing you're looking for. How Roman and Neo met, why Roman hates Faunus, and what he was doing before the show. It's all so well written and it also does some great worldbuilding, exploring the darker, seedier aspects of things that the show will never, ever touch on.
There's already a running theory of them being the children in Brunswick farms-now, I don't know how relevant this is to their age, but I noticed that the fence between the picture and current day were different, so there could have been a timeskip before the tragedy, but anyway, as much as I would like a Neo backstory in the show proper, I feel like her just having the doll or some other hint of her origin, would be enough. Well, assuming, the show is actually going the theory's route, anyway. If not, I would honestly be fine with her, maybe looking at the hat or maybe past convo's she's had with Roman on her scroll while reminiscing, as a short scene before moving on with the rest of the episode. Possibly having some other visual hint of their backstory on screen, like how in Madoka Magica, they had a decoration of a mermaid be in the foreground of the characters talking to signify one of them's fate being a parallel to "The Little Mermaid" story.
Ehh, I kinda like Torchwick better as a somewhat enigmatic douchebag. Attaching an origin story to him would kinda ruin some of the charm for his charcter.
The hardest part is that yang didn't even have a reaction to it, I mean Blake probably knew but there was no acknowledgement of it aside from the man himself talking about people who hurt him.
@@dtheraider4336 exactly. I mean all this so-called racism in the show and no one talks about it except for one sign and an off-handed remark that could have been directed towards yang
My favorite Villians have always been Roman and Neo, Roman's personality was so sassy, and his relationship with Neo made for such a great duo, he talked to her like she could respond, and she cared for him, but she wasn't like a henchman, she was like a friend or sibling, and that is why I loved them
Mercury is an ass but I kinda love him. Roman on the other hand is simply the best. That on top of her own positives makes Neo also great. Watts did nothing but I like his scenes. I liked Hazel being a villain who didn't want unnecessary deaths but his backstory didn't really work. Tyrian is fun and I like a villain who is very personally loyal to someone. They are not really villains but I wish the twins (the Malachites) had more screen time. With Adam the thing I dislike the most is that Wilt and Blush (his weapon) fell with him. I would love it if Blake took that after Gambol Shroud was broken. But as far as we can see from the new design she either had a spare or repaired it completely.
@@DemonicMonkey88 her weapon broke. It could remind her who he used to be. It is a cool weapon. He died it is not as if he needs it. It would be an interesting storytelling fodder.
@@DJPrimeAmvs Yes, but it's the newer volume. For some reason people think there's a volume 6. It's like they think Blake had actual episodes when she just showed up at the end of Volume 4 for some reason.
Roman and Neo were/are the only two RWBY villains I actually care about. They really brought you into the story, you enjoy every moment their on screen and the interaction with our heros was grade A.
Personally, in my opinion the best villains in the show are Salem, Mercury, Roman, Neo, and Hazel. I honestly feel like Tyrian can be on this list if they give him a backstory, which I really think they should
Like why is he so obsessed with Salem? Considering the fact that he's a faunus, it can only be dark... Well it would be, but considering the fact that RWBY's to scared to actually show the Faunus suffering (at least until Adam) I guess we'll never know~
Hazel? Mr. in what could be years, I have yet to realize that I'm working for the woman controlling the monsters that killed my sister and am actively killing people like her? That's not shortsighted rage, that's retarded.
I feel like the Atlas thing could last at least 1 and a half Volumes just because of the number of potential story and character arcs. One I'm particularly banking on is a possible Schneebling reconciliation arc and maybe a one-on-one talk between Dr. Polendina and Ruby from the perspective of a father and daughter who lost their loved ones-of course talking about Penny, and maybe Ruby thinking over some stuff about Summer to talk with her family (Qrow and Yang) afterwards. And that's not to mention the flying gorrilla army Salem's been conjuring, as well as the relic/maiden stuff-and can we _please_ have a training arc in Atlas Academy? So unless they're able to be efficient with some of these episodes' runtime or are able to parallel storylines (I actually dig a Monochrome conversation about being estranged from family) together, it would maybe take a bit more than just a Volume.
I know I may be a little late and someone probably thought of this one already, but I had a theory as to Cinder's backstory. She was the only daughter of two Huntsmen parents that took on any missions that they could to make life better for everyone. She grew up seeing them as heroes that did what was right, and much like Ruby, she wanted to be like them. One day, her parents take on a mission that many deemed suicidal but they still take it to 'protect' the people. They gave their lives in their mission, leaving Cinder alone. One day she overhears a conversation between Jaques and some of his business partners. Turns out that the mission was a ruse to mine some very valuable dust in a heavily Grimm infested area. Cinder is crushed, realizing that her parents died only so that Jaques and those in power could fill their pockets with more money. She tries to tell people about what happened, but no one believes her. She feels powerless. She wants power to destroy those that would throw away people like her parents for their own selfish gain. And then comes Salem. In this version, Cinder would be more of an agent that sought to bring down a society built upon using heroes and people like her parents as weapons for those in power to throw away whenever they pleased.
Glad tosee you covering this, you are by far my favorite content creator and i very much enjoy how you asses this topic because the villains tend to be a love em or hate em situation yet you do very well in putting them into perspective, thank you and i look forward to your next video.
Great video Thomas! Although I disagree on your opinions on Adam, This video was a real treat to be sure. And if you're looking for a commission for your books art, I'd be happy to oblige!
Watts- He hasn't don't much on screen, but I'm assuming he had a big part in hacking atlas security during the fall of beacon, I'm mostly indifferent to him. Hazel- his existence in the story makes absolutely no sense to me, sure I get he's mad at Oz for getting his sister killed by Grimm, but why does he ally with the person who makes and controls them??? He's one of the shows many attempts to make Oz look bad but it falls flat. Em & Merc- they got some good scenes in V6, I especially love the breaking speech Merc gives Em, I'm starting to get interested in them again and I am very curious to see what they do next. Tyrian- Entertaining as hell, but doesn't to have much personality outside of devout lunatic, although his interaction with Em and Merc were far more grounded I hope this means we'll get more story out of him. Salem- I don't like her, she is somehow blander than firelord "Burn Baby Burn" Ozai, her little temper tantrum in V6 certainly hasn't endeared her to me in any way, they're trying to play her up as a chessmaster but she just comes off a brat with too much time and power, I don't care for origin story either. Neo- I like Neo, I really do, but let's be honest they just brought her back to fellate the fans, I'm just hoping she stabs Cinder and puts us all out of our misery. Cinder- My god what do I even say about this woman that hasn't already been said, she got better in v4 but the second she opened her mouth in V5 it was just a rinse and repeat of V1 to 3, she doesn't change, or grow, in any way she just does the same shit again and again, she's almost as bad as Adam. Speaking of which.... Adam- I hesitate to call this a character assassination, assassinations are quick and clean and what happened with Adam was just a fucking mess. They dropped the Faunus abuse and white fang plot ball so hard it made the third impact look like a fat kid doing a cannonball at the public pool, the man went from cold revolutionary to Macbeth on drugs in seconds. He was initially Blake's mentor gone astray but for some reason he was changed to being Blake's lover, seriously that women's got four fucking people chasing her tail, this caused a bit of whiplash for me and others as prior to his yandere speech in the V3 finale he wasn't obsessed with her at all, he could've easily leapt that gap on the train and capture her but he let her go, his lieutenant promised to find Blake no matter what and the man flat out tells him to not do that, hell, the reason he was at the fall of beacon wasn't even cause he heard Blake was there, he was forced to help Salems faction by Cinder so his men wouldn't be killed. My god they even fucked up his character short, we learned absolutely nothing about him, gained no insight into his character, and then they offed him in a stupid fight. At the very least now that he's dead they can't fuck him over any more. Also RT hates red heads
I always forget about Adman, Raven, and Cinder's two flunkies whenever these discussions come up, and now that I try to find something to say about them, I can't really. They have their problems but none of them form the backbone of the series the same way the others do. Even Jacques is more integral to the story because of his involvement with Weiss; the best character the story has. They play their part and are important in their own way, but fixing them as side characters/antagonists won't mean anything if the main villains as the driving force of the plot aren't doing their job. Adam was bad, sure, but he didn't offend me like he did other people. I dunno maybe I just don't find anything particularly relatable about having and abusive boyfriend. They always painted him up as a psychopath but like Tyrian they always exaggerate it in ways don't really sell the supposedly broken state of his mind and he mostly comes off a stupid and disorganized rather than crazy. I've seen blow up dolls that resemble people more than Adam. I think Thomas' distaste for Adam is more a reflection of his own hangups than anything else. Hate to be a downer on you again, but If you think the world is full of power hungry tyrants, then you'll think that anything is justified is deposing them, and thus you yourself will become an abuser who was abused because you haven't understood your own nature. In the same way, because Raymond Mcneil uses the arrogance of others as scapegoats for his own arrogance, as you may well have noticed since you've been talking to him. All the evil you see in the world is really a reflection of your own inner discord. What you call "Adam" is a disintegrated part of your own psyche. It's you, only you're pretending it's something other than you. You could also see it as your mind trying to warn you of what you might become if you keep going down your current path: a bigotous persecutor. You'll know you've overcome this stumbling block and really grown when it no longer feels relevant because all the pent up frustration that was expressing itself to you through Adman will have flowed away. Like seeing a shadow of a terrible monster coming round a corner only to discover that it was a mouse. There will be no reason to judge his actions anymore and you may even be able to sympathize with him. Deep down you know that Adam is a part of you because you admit that you *admire him* even though you claim to be against what he represents. What you said about Salem was more or less spot on, only there is nothing to be done. If you accept death, you won't try to fix it because there is nothing to fix. This sounds kind of disappointing on paper because if the problem is that we can't see that there's no problem, how are we supposed to have a climactic final showdown? If good isn't really good and evil isn't really evil, how are we supposed to enjoy the triumph of good over evil? One of the easiest way that I used was to have the climactic fight, but when the villain is knocked down and helpless, the hero realizes that killing him would just make him the next villain so he instead opts for forgiveness, breaking the cycle of -rewriters rewriting rewriters- scapegoating. There are obvious caveats that go with this, but it is a valid template that the writers could start with so that the rest of the plot moves in the right direction until they think of something spicier. After all, if we acknowledge that evil has it's place in this world just as much as good, then it would be wrong to simply dispose of her offhand and we were directly shown that Salem used to be a good person.
Unicorn of war. Do you remember you made a rewrite of vol 5? I applaud how you handled adam taurus's character. Making him hating the schnee more than blake's betrayal. Plus adam is my character inspiration motivated by revenge on schnee and his iaido abilities similar to that of vergil.
I hate how Cinder still believes destiny is on her side but Weiss used to be like that as well until being with others made her realize its about carving your own destiny. This can give some nice duality in Volume 7
I don't really know if this is relevant but I've wanted to say this forever and it makes sense here. You're completely right about the whole Adam thing. I've seen a lot of people call him 'wasted potential' but I don't really think that's true. Adam's role as a villain is different from the others because, while he does do terrible things in the show, he's not a villain that works on the overall scheme of things- he's a good villain for Blake. As a lackey under Salem he makes no sense but as a villain specifically tailored to Blake (and Yang after V3) he fits so well, and I think sometimes people forget that that's his whole purpose as a character. The main thing I see people get pissed about is from V5 when Blake punches him and then there was this huge uproar like "uh I can't believe he was downed by one punch" and "his going crazy in V6 makes no sense" but it DOES. The punch in V5 was a totally symbolic gesture because it signified Blake starting to overcome his hold on her and THAT is what caused his shift in character. His whole arc is wonderful just like you said if you view it through the right lens.
This is my opinion... Adam Taurus was wasted to be Blakes abusive ex Cinder became the "my evil plan" villain Watts has done fuck all Hazel was just... there to be a tank Salem actually needs to do something in vol 7
I’m with you , for my Adam must have been one of the main villains in the atlas arc, that would make sense for two reasons. 1. According to the world of the remnant, the Grimms cannot survive the cold of atlas, so the White Fang would be their best option against atlas. 2. that better antagonist than one who has a past that is related to the kingdom which is going to destroy ( or at least the one who has the most oppression).
Honestly, I actually really like a lot of the RWBY villains. At least, the ones that have personality. Tyrian, Neo, Roman, Emerald, Mercury, Dr. Watts, Salem, they're all *fun* characters and fun villains. I mean, sure, a lot of them don't have any depth (except for maybe Salem) but villains don't NEED depth, imo. They NEED to have some kind of personality. I mean, yeah, depth for a villain would be nice but so many people think giving a villain depth just means giving them a tragic backstory. If you're going to give them depth, then y'know...actually do that. (Side note: don't try to give your villain depth by making them "kind of have a point". The only way that story can actually work is if the point they're trying to make is actually accurate, like Killmonger for example. If your villain's point that they're making that they "kind of have a point about" is complete nonsense like MCU Thanos or Heath Ledger's Joker that kind of villain quickly falls apart).
There are only two problems with RWBY's villains, but they're biggies: 1. The whole villain council is an exercise in color-by-numbers that only seems to exist because there "needs" to be a villain progression. We have The Crazy One, The Reasonable One, The Classy One, and The Sultry One (disgraced). If Salem is an immortal unbeatable true magic sorceress with an infinite supply of perfectly loyal minions, what's even the point of these rubes? Why does she keep them around? What purpose do they serve in the story besides being momentary obstacles for team RWBY to kick over? 2. If the sub-bosses are unnecessary, let them at least be stylish or interesting. People love Torchwick and Neo because they had *style*. The difference between a villain and a supervillain is PRESENTATION!
I think the main issue with the villains is that Rooster Teeth are thinking more like video game writers rather then TV show writers. In video games, writing villains is a LOT harder because you have to write the story with the mind set that the player is almost always winning and any instance were them losing HAS to be done in such a way that there is no logical reason to win. With RWBY the show seems to be written with that mind set which makes sense as Rooster Teeth are all big gamer fans which does show up in the show itself. I mean everyone has a personal force field that allows them to take a great deal of damage until it's depleted which is something that enemies have, giant enemies types that have certain weak points that requires a great deal of skill to take down and everyone has a unique power that gives them a edge in combat. All of these could so easily fit into a video game and, in fact, have been put into video games that the RWBY crew have appeared in. So, it's really no surprise that other tropes that have appeared in games have also shown up in the series. Surprisingly incompetent NPCs, fetch quests, and so on. So it's no surprise that the villains would follow suit as CREWBY is likely thinking like gamers and remember how Rooster Teeth got into the popular mainstream, by a bunch of friends playing Halo and acting out scenes in a original story they were making.
That's actually makes alot of sense. Obviously made by the company who made Red vs. Blue, but still it's surprising not alot people make video game comparisons with rwby.
I could write a decent backstory for Watts. He’s a disgruntled Atlesian Scientist responsible for the 1300’s and other atlas tech. His methods were seen as unethical and he was removed from service where he somehow met Salem. He now wants to overthrow atlas and use their resources to further his work.
I was wondering how the Adam bit would go down and I am actually pretty cool with your analysis your spot on that he was abused and became and abuser wanting to hurt those who he felt wronged him (well actually humans did wrong him racism sucks ) the only part I’ve ever disagreed with with Adams character is that he was always an evil person from the start wanting to kill every one in his patch when in reality it’s like Blake said he had a slow decent into madnesses one thing would always lead to another so what I am saying is agree with who the fans said he was when he died but I disagree with what fans say he was when he began people say well he manipulated every one from the start but from the start he wasn’t wrong “our people had been beaten tortured treated like slaves “ and that’s true if the reason why it irks the hell out of me when ppl say Adams leadership and ideas were always bull shit is that you can’t say that with out saying the humans being racist ass holes is bullshit but in the end I think Adam stans didn’t mind him being crazy it’s just we wanted him to be crazy about destroying humans and the interesting complexness that has rather then him having a hard on for his ex
same for me it really frustrated me that to drive the abuse story for Blake they had to make his personality completely have a 180°. The comment that Unicorn of War made about this "façade of someone fighting for faunus rights" I didn't agree with so much. They make it absolutely clear that he cares about the faunus. If he was pretending to fight for the faunus then why did he refuse Cinder's deal? Why did he say "you're asking my men to DIE for a human cause..." the way he expressed such distaste for Cinder trying to use the faunus as pawns was pretty clear.
Exactly. The way they had Adam in volumes 4 and beyond was only possible if you forgot volume 3. Volume 3 version of Adam and volume 4 version of atom are too different. I mean I preferred volume 3 version of Adam because I would have died to see him actually face and fight Weiss because she needed to meet a Faunus who intolerant of her and have a conversation with them. Let her see his brand and see irrefutable proof of her company's misdeeds.
@@lordsinister707 it wouldve made Weiss's escape even more epic knowing that she had fully quit playing pretend. she knows her dad is a monster because he decides to physically abuse her now. She feels just an ounce of what Adam and the rest of the SDC faunus employees go through every day. that makes her motivations even stronger when she sees the effects of her standing by and pretending to put on a show while her dad hurts the faunus every single day. I really wish they actually DID SOMETHING with Adam's scar. It made zero sense to pull a sympathy card and then just kill him like a dog. Like he was nothing. Like they couldn't have apprehended him like they did Torchwick.
@@c.ccarlhead5744 Exactly. It would have made her question if that supposed rough childhood was because of the White Fang was ruthlessly targeting her family or was it because the White Fang was getting revenge for misdeeds committed by SDC executives and Schnee family members who walked away scot free as a bird.
I completely agree, I felt like the character short was to paint the Adam persona as best as they could retrospectively as well as try to make him as justifiable to kill off as possible. Some people (including myself) feel that Ilia is Adam taurus 2.0 and that they eventually decided Adam was to irredeemable being an abuser and decided to make someone new take the ex white fang redemption escape pod. (I love Ilia btw) I wouldn't feel so melancholic if Adam's death even felt halfway decent. Most of the the people happy at his death arn't happy at the how he died, it's that he IS dead. They hated the man not the impact. My complaint is that Adam didn't die realizing his own problems, he didn't die by his own hand, he just died via losing a quick time event and fell off a cliff without a word. No final thoughts or recollections just a small stumble forward, falling off a cliff into a stream, and a back break for good measure. A quiet death with nothing for him, all the effects of it were clearly for Blake and Yang with nothing for Adam to gain towards his character in his final moments.
RWBY's problems are that it's characters and villains exist in different vacuums where they rarely, if ever, clash directly(and when they do, it's terribly directed and the interactions you've been waiting 5 volumes for just don't happen). You're not SUPPOSED to view characters or villains in a vacuum. You're SUPPOSED to judge them based on the purpose they serve to the story. Cinder, Salem, Watts, Hazel, Tyrian and Lionheart all had nothing interesting to add to the story(though to Cinder's credit, her "evil for the sake of evil" schtick somewhat functioned in Volume 1). Torchwick and Neo had a great and interesting relationship on screen, had we actually seen them interact when they're not fighting with other people would have been great. Mercury and Emerald provide a gray situation(heh) to their roles as villains; Mercury serving to be an actually smart villain, whereas Watts comes off as... tacky. Emerald, meanwhile, gives us the perspective of a kinda bad person choosing to side with the bad guys, when they could potentially get off with joining the good guys(and had she met Ruby first, her perspective and situation as a villain would be so different.) Adam directly contributes to Blake, Yang, Vale, and by extension the rest of Team RWBY just by existing as a terrorist organization's radical leader. Same with Sienna... oh wait. The Grimm serve as the Force of Nature antagonist that the heroes have to face. Very rarely do Protagonists vs. Force of Nature Antagonists have boring conclusions. How do you "beat" a force of nature? Can you? If you repel it, or push it back, will it be easier to hold the ground you've gained? Is there a way to prevent the force of nature, or even mitigate its damage to society? All of these questions could have been answered in the story, had we not had the existence of Salem. Instead, we now know even less about the threat of Grimm, even less about the world of Remnant, and worse, we don't know what's actually going to be able to happen in the story. Salem wants the Relics to destroy the world, what's the solution to that? Defend the relics? That was already happening before the villains gained an insane advantage. Note: Contrary to what the showrunners would have you believe, Ozpin is not a villain, never was, never will be.
Everyone is specting to see Neo betraing Cinder, but I think the best for Cinder’s character is that she betray Neo first. This will not only show that she had lear from her mistakes of the past, it will show that see is a hard opponent.
She's mostly been fighting *children* during her screentime. And most of the fights she was in was against people she knew for sure was weaker than her. The only exceptions where she was against someone clearly experienced were against Ozpin-which the ending was offscreened-Raven-her strength equaled hers, but *skill* was clearly in the Branwen's court-and Neo-was doing fairly well until Cinder went Maiden to stop the fight-. Were she ever to have a clear-cut win against people against these, it would resell her threat. That's what people say, anyway. Because again, she's mostly been fighting kids.
First of all props to you for tackiling this topic without being a toxic clickbaiter like almost every other RWBY critic. And honestly I love how you present you criticisms on some of the villains shortcomings, yet also acknowledge that these flaws are not as world breaking as people make them out to be. One thing I have to disagree with however, is Hazel. The thing about Hazel and his "backstory" is that we really... don't have it all. Something that always frustrates me is how the fandom goes on about how untrustworthy Oz is, yet for Hazels backstory everyone takes what he says at face value without considering that he was most likely giving half truths again. It honestly feels like those who hate on Hazel are only looking for something to shit on M and K. Also another thing to take into consideration is the show's budget and how we kinda need to wait a bit on certain character's backstory's because their simply isn't enough screentime. I honestly don't understand why people have such a lack of consideration for the actual production, especially coming from some of the same people who supposedly advocate for the workers yet what they ask for would increase the dang workload. All in all While some villains are better than others, none of the villains are anywhere near terrible, we just need to be patient and wait for the villain's time to shine. And before people pulle the "it's bee 3-7 years since this" crap please understand that one volume doesn't equal one season, literally every 3 volumes is a single season. Edit: Also in Cinder's defence, especially considering the season six scene you showed at the end, Cinder clearly knows she can't kill Ruby, son she instead goes for Jaune AKA the underdog daring to challenge her.
The thing is we do know Hazel's backstory. His recent description in Amity Arena confirms everything said in V5 along with providing new details that put everything in a better context. So the issue is how the show itself portrayed his backstory. We should've been shown a flashback or given better details beforehand. Instead, we got a quick vague exposition dump mid-battle via Ozpin that lasted about a minute.
Hope Tyrians backstory and insanity stems from the mistreatment of the schnee company And I think Adam had a boring and meaningless death. They handled his character poorly and I'm still mad
I'll be honest, I've been on the wagon that believes Adam was poorly written. It's videos like this, along with the RWBY Fandom wiki, that have helped me to reevaluate my opinion.
I agree with what you said with Cinder, but I have to disagree with Adam. Just so we’re clear, I’m not here to throw shit, and sorry for my bad english. The idea that he was always an abuser and manipulator was an idea that RT brought out of nowhere. 1. The trailer shows that Blake and Adam had confidence and affection for each other • Blake telling him not to be so dramatic (minute 1:20) • Adam seeing if Blake was okay after the robot attack (minute 3:15) Even in the end Blake says goodbye with a sad face. 2. At the beginning of volume 2 we can see Blake seeing a drawing of Adam with a melancholy background music. • Chapter 10 of the volume Blake described to us how Adam was his mentor, someone who was looking for a better future for fauns regardless of methods. • He assured Blake they were doing the right thing. Is it manipulation? Or it’s because the methods of violence paid off when the peaceful marches didn’t work. • Besides, she says that Adam was transformed into a monster, implying that he wasn’t like that before. 3. In volume 3 it was both good and bad for the character of Adam. The good thing about seeing Adam showing his dedication and leadership towards White Fang, Blake only described Adam to us, but in chapter 7 he shows these aspects. • For Adam the White Fang was not a tool for his own ends, he says he is a force for revolution. This shows the character’s motivation, creating change and freeing the fauns from oppression. • He also tells Cinder he’s not going to let his men die for his cause, a human cause. He helps Cinder because of his maiden powers (plus Adam tells his lieutenant not to look for Blake). There’s no hard evidence that Adam was possessive or manipulative with Blake. But when he finds her, his whole personality changes, he starts talking about all he wants is Blake and he’s gonna destroy what she loves. WHAAATTTT, this manipulator idea, two-faced, ex-boyfriend, abuser, came out of nowhere.
The Black Trailer also has Adam ready and willing to murder a bunch of innocent people on board a train and the very ending of Volume 2 has him reassuring Cinder he's still on board with their plan to destroy Beacon in spite of the Faunus who died in the breach. Honestly him being abusive really doesn't come out of nowhere at all, especially since his desire for retribution against humanity comes from a desire for revenge not because he wants to make things better for the Faunus.
@@spencermalley10 Certain Adam was determined to destroy the cargo and the workers of the schnee dust company, the same company and people that literally treats the faunnus like animals, has logic that he doesn’t care if those people died, Obviously having the point of view that makes you think that all humans are equally slave to faunnus is very extreme, but that was why he was an antagonist. In volume 2 you’re right, Cinder says it was a success, but emerald responds by saying that the rwby team made a mess, and he’s right, they were the cause that several of the white fang didn’t come out, that external causes affect the plan is not Cinder’s fault. And this is just a theory, but something tells me that the fuses that were meant to protect the members of the Grimm White Fang, just a theory. Besides, if the idea was to crash the train in the first place, why the hell is Roman in front of the train with the pilot, he would literally be the first to die.
you know I just realized something about the scene with scorp boI and Juan. Joan of Arc is the patron saint of people ridiculed for their faith among her other domains, Purple Dye Made of Crushed and Sun Dried East Mediterranean Snails is a fanatic for Salem and had that strange interaction with Juan. At this point I don't think they intended that but you can think it's a cool thing if you want.
Wait, I’m sure you know that the best villains are the ones that know how to attack the heroes weaknesses, and cause them to grow, but you say it’s not necessary for them to improve, but also say V7 would be the time to do so. Can you clarify what you mean by that?
I feel that the show is good but it could take some notes from the Japanese anime it is based on, the best ones i can think of are my hero academia and attack on titan since these both have parallels in RWBY, whether that be a walled city trying to keep out monsters because we all know the grim aren't terrifying or the basic dynamics of being a hero/ huntress in these worlds either way the show has room to improve, i've been watching it from day one and i still love it but i hope this helps
To me as an Adam Stan I like how Adam was well done in the beginning even through I disagree with Adam always being portrayed as obbsessive ex as there are no build up to that. And yes Blake opening up to her team took time but we should have gotten something more from her.
the thing that bugs me is that people keep saying "they cant kill Salem", which is incorrect, salem can die but she has to learn the meaning of death first and be ok with it as one of the gods said in volume 6 chapter 3, once she learns that then she can die, at this moment in the story yes she cant die but that doesnt mean she will never die
My issue with Salem is that Miles and Kerry seriously want me to believe she was the FIRST person to try and reverse death via the gods. Seriously? How young was the world for this to be an issue and not just some annoyance you’d see every other Tuesday?
😲 I Just Had A Theory! Watts Schnee? Jacques brother, maybe? Think about it Jacque and his brother work for the SDC both aiming to take over the SDC, Jacque wins by blaming his brother for something and having him get kicked out of the SDC. And marrying Weiss's mother?!😲
@@benjaminmcneil574 technically Jacques isnt a blood relative to the Schnee line. Only in marriage. I've seen plenty of siblings born with different hair color from their parents. And some times they can get hair color from their grandparents as well. Like it skips one generation to the next
I personally don’t like the villains because they way they were written was like “oh you think you’ve seen a threat now there’s SOMEONE ABOVE THEM” and it got to a point where it just got really tiring for me to actually care about or take seriously
@@benjaminmcneil574 Not necessarily, but the difference between the way rwby does it and other series I think is with the execution. There may be a villain behind other villains in other series, but rwby does it in such a way where this kind of thing happens so often and so abruptly each season that im just kind of tired by the end of the season, by which there will be even more villains above the last group that i have to keep track of. I understand why someone would like the villains, but this is why i personally do not.
If you are an MLP fan, here is my take on Cinder. She is the Chrysalis of RWBY villains. Heck, DWK, had a take on Chrysalis that sounds exactly like Cinder. Check out 7:33-8:10 on this video and tell me I'm wrong: ruclips.net/video/uv_aEmxmTLE/видео.html
The misdirection of Adam always seemed fun to me. The illusion of a terroristic freedom fighter bent on righting the wrongs of society at any cost only to be unmasked as a flawed individual whose motives were very selfish was enjoyable in my opinion. It shows a parallel to reality in that people are not what they appear to be. Though Torchwick and Neo are obviously the best
I hope Weiss does something to hurt Cinder which triggers Emerald to target Weiss so they have that conflict. And I hope Mercury does switch sides because I feel like out of all of the villains he's the most likely too and I do wanna see him stab the other villains in the back. It could also create some tension between him and Emerald since they are relatively close.
Here's what I'm hoping for in the future of this show (most of which are gonna be a stretch and not likely happen): -SSSN and CFVY will return -Neo and Ruby rivalry considering that Neo has more of a personal grudge against Ruby than Cinder considering from Neo's POV if Ruby hadn't gotten her, then she could've saved Roman -Salem sacrifices Tyrion and Watt down the line and Hazel will run away from Salem's group. -From this: Salem would make grimm copies of dead huntsman/huntresses like Weiss's ancestor and probably Team RWBY like in Bach DO's Grimmverse who're more effective. Not only that, but have Emerald and Mercury do more jobs and thus more screentime and flesh out their characters -Every now and again move away from Salem and the artifacts to take care of things regular huntsman do and have team RWBY use the knowledge they've gain from Ooblecks lessons from volume 2 on Grimm. -Flesh out Watt, Hazel, Neo and Cinders characters.
My view on RWBY is a river that became dammed because Rooster Teeth wanted it to move in the direction that it wanted rather than letting it flow naturally.
@@SpiderLantern Maybe in Volume 7, he will be. Also he's a reality villain because he uses his power to abuse all the slave faunus for his development of Atlas itself
I just think that the villains are just like many things in this show: they lack development of the idea. Adam is a great example. He could have been the second big bad in the series but he was downgraded to a crazy ex boyfriend.
Tyrrians reason for joining Salem is self explained if you pay attention to his speech and how he talks about Salem. She's a goddess to him basically he's just a religious nutjob kind of villian.
Actually it’s exactly what you said about the villains Agree with every word Though out of the more villainous villains you mentioned Mercury is my least favorite
I really can’t call any of them bad For me to say they’re a bad villain is for me to just have no response to them, like, they give me nothing to work with They may not be the best written villains ever but they’re not boring, bland, or even frustrating Bad Villains to me are Darth Maul, General Grievous, Jango Fett, Jiren from Dragon Ball Super, Lex Luthor from Batman v Superman, Stepphenwolf from the god awful Justice League movie, and a good chunk of MCU villains
I think part of the reason neo was a such a hit with fans is because unlike with other characters the writers have to use show don't tell cuz she is mute and her semblance is a wonderful mixture of both serving the story (enough to both accentuate her character and advance the plot) and being visually entertaining in and out of combat. It is my understanding that Monty wanted all the aspects of RWBY from semblances and dust to aura and weapons to serve the visually satisfying combat scenes that he made and neo was the best example of this as she is a character who speaks through exciting action as opposes to boring words.
Please don't hate me,but I don't think the villans are bad at all. Sure they're no Azulas but still they're pretty good. Also idk why everyone loves Torchwick so much,he barely did anything and tbh I never feared him. Cinder however made me feel for her but also hate her. To me she's good enough. (Again pls don't kill me this is just me being okay with this I'm not saying your opinion is wrong)
Yes. The worst offender was Adam. I don't mind if things weren't planned or not because some of the best things weren't planned such as Neo. I understand the whole abuser thing but I think it was a bad decision and prefer the morally grey character and find it much more interesting and compelling than just abusive boyfriend. Heck, I think both would work much better together. It made me feel like the writers didn't feel like they could pull off the whole Faunus racism rights thing similar to BLM where they have the right idea but their methods contradict this. They made him to being selfish and fighting for himself, not the WF and the Faunus along with being reduced to being a psycho ex which isn't very compelling or interesting at all. He could've been morally grey and psycho ex but only being the latter is very weak and not compelling. Should've kept him striving for 'equality' and have his methods in which he tries to achieve it be wrong. Adam is a bad character. I'm not talking about how he is a bad person or that he should or should've gotten a redemption arc. He's just badly written. I didn't mind that he wasn't getting a redemption arc but the problem was throwing away the potential for one as some characters have potential to but can't be redeemed because of whatever reason even if they have the option or resources to do so. It could also give the Grimm more plot relevance as the fear-mongering by the WF causes them to act up but being a common enemy for both Faunus and humans like it says in WOR. Have him fight for the Faunus but his methods which include abuse to get things done be the black part of the grey He was originally the beast along with Blake being both Beauty and Beast. They were then trying to parallel him to Gaston which I think was a smart move as it allows him to be the 'villain' but also support the beauty and the beast motif of BB. But even Gaston has some semblance of a driving force because of racism and fear of the beast. He was a strong leader influencing people around him, generating fear even though his motivation at the core was selfish. Adam was solely for Blake. Using that could've been used to link more strongly to the fear-mongering due to racism and the attraction of the Grimm.
Raise your hand if you thought Adam's spiteful and controlling tendencies I'm relationships informing his past experiences without having them directly told to us was an interesting and/or compelling idea.
Why do you think moral greyness is inherently more compelling or nuanced? Why do you think Adam being an abusive "crazy ex" just automatically makes him poorly written, aside from the fact that it goes against your preconceived notion of what he was meant to be? He's more complex than you make him out to be, lol
@@flatsnark2516 Abusive ex characters are boring characters because that's usually all they have going for them and that's boring. It's also not really that cool or makes me feel bad. Like villains with great motivation or morally gray are awesome like pain, Akaza, and Stain. Akaza obsessed with power after everyone he cared about died and in his final moments he killed himself(im really shortening it). Pain killed many people to get an ultimate power to stop wars( again really shortened). Pain killed many heroes since thwy were bad and even saved Deku(short). These three are way more interesting than an abuse story. When I see abuse in anime or rwby I just think oh that sucks and then forget about it.
@@galaxyvulture6649 You realise that moral greyness is exactly the same, right? It's super easy for a character to be entirely defined by that rather than to be written as a person. Out of those three, Stain is the best example. What can you tell me about Stain aside from his ideology? Nothing - because Stain just is an ideology. He's entirely defined by edgy moral greyness that isn't even that grey to be honest. There's nothing all that complicated about him - you can summarise his entire character in "insane vigilante that kills heroes he doesn't think live up to true heroism." By comparison, boiling Adam down to "crazy abusive ex" is a disservice to the writing surrounding his character. My guess is that people turned off the second they heard those words and didn't actually pay attention to what his character is.
As some of you might be aware, Gray Haddock was recently fired from Rooster Teeth. Thanks to Calxiyn’s hard work, we now know from inside sources that Gray was… pretty much a terrible director: overworking the animators on the gen:LOCK team; taking funds from the 2D Animation department and moving them to gen:LOCK; and forcing animators to redo so much of their work, the show wound up going millions of dollars over budget only to underperform.
With Gray gone, things at RT can hopefully improve. It seems, however, that production on RWBY has been fine for the most part, with the sources having praises for Miles and Kerry. So I hope that while this revelation might put much more of RT’s recent issues into context, it won’t lead to further misplaced animosity towards M&K or the members of CRWBY.
Yeah, especially from what I have heard that Gray may or may not be a psycopath... Yikes. It's crazy how only two guys can cause so much damage to people's lively hoods.
And unfortunately despite this revelation of Gray's true nature, I know all too well that many of the HTDM are just going to spin things to make CRWBY look bad.
Man, everyone was feeling bad for grey but turns out it was his fault. Top ten anime plot twists
All we can do is pray
I feel that the show is good but it could take some notes from the Japanese anime it is based on, the best ones i can think of are my hero academia and attack on titan since these both have parallels in RWBY, whether that be a walled city trying to keep out monsters because we all know the grim aren't terrifying or the basic dynamics of being a hero/ huntress in these worlds either way the show has room to improve, i've been watching it from day one and i still love it but i hope this helps
@@ins4n1ty58 when did Cal blame all on Gray?
"Which ones are good and which ones are...Cinder..."
Not pulling any punches with this one, huh?
this was the best quote! 🤣 Cinder is so bland.
Did you mean:
Which ones are...CINDERS
Honestly i think cinder is good.
@@lop90ful1 as my punching bag.
@@jnut9494 Kinky
Roman was a fantastic villain, but I now suspect that Gray did such a good job simply because he was playing himself.
Harsh but fair.
He was consistence with they story the rest feel like oh you guys just exsit to add more artifictal tenseition.like we barely see half of the villans and i like tryan and he's barely around. Not sure where 7 is going lets just hope theu dont fuck it up.
Roman is overrated as fuck
He literally adlibbed because Monty doesn't have ideas for him. He's meant to just be an unique pedestrian at first.
Though if you like Roman as a concept, all 3 manga versions have better Roman depiction than the official novel.
My favourite villain is definitely Torchwick, but my problem with the other villains stem more the story.
I don't know how to quite put it, but I always enjoyed RWBY more when it was... lower to the ground, about the school, about the politics. Realistic isn't really acurate by I just wasn't really expecting the story to eventually turn out to be about Gods of light and dark and all these really potent highfantasy elements. I liked the underground mafia team rocket thing torchwick had it, and how that was utalised to undermine beacon, but now i feel loke its awkwardly offset by having the main villain be some imortal incarnation of darkness.
I guess im just sad about the disparity between old and new RWBY
Basically the stakes got higher and it's harder to enjoy? I feel you
@@Luke-lq9rn We know Remnant is a harsh place, but at least when the story was still around the school, we felt that if the protags mess up a little, they can recover from it and get stronger for it.
If they mess THIS up, the planet is toast.
The stakes got so high that failing is literally *NOT* an option. Too tense.
@@benjaminmcneil574 I agree. Honestly I'd much prefer if there was no Salem and Cinder was the main villain who's out to get all the maiden powers to rule the world and become unstoppable and even immortal herself [if she gets all the maidens maybe she can become forever young?]. Like say she actually killed Ozpin but there'd be no Salem and Oz doesn't regenerate? That way the sole main conflict is between Cinder and Ruby.
@@Luke-lq9rn I guess the scale just got too grand. I liked it when things where a bit more intimate and the story was more personal. To me it kinda just feels like everything's spanning a massive continent, but the contours of everything are being streched artificially rather than moved gently.
I expected it to get there, but on a much slower burn. Think more like Harry Potter timescale, or My Hero Academia. They’d still be at school now, but the missions they get sent on would be getting harder, and we’d see the villains having multiple plans going on, rather than a race for the artifacts.
"He's arguably the most fun of all the villains" - Speaking about Tyrian
Roman: "am I a joke to you?"
Cinder: Yes.
All the villains who are still alive, maybe?
Short answer: No
Long answer: Neo
Longer answer: Neopolitan
Early RWBY-“Wow Raven is so mysterious. Not sure if she’s evil or misunderstood and I can’t wait to see what happens when Yang meets her.
Volume 5-“Well we still have Adam. He’s like an evil Samurai, he’s so cool he’s calm, precise, and devoted to his cause and nothing else. No way they can completely butcher his character.
Volume 7-“Well at least we still have Neo.”
Everyone: I swear, you better not jinx it
RWBY's villains are all bland.
Torchwick was a phenomenal villain, but the moment we got any story out of him, he was killed off.
Neo has a lot of potential, but the only reason she's not bad is because we simply don't know that much about her yet.
Cinder sucks. Cinder COULD have an interesting backstory full of heartache, pain, revenge, etc... BUT WE DON'T KNOW. Therefore, she's reduced to this slightly alluring sexy villainous type who's downright generic and useless at times.
Emerald and Mercury have the most potential, as they are both students and both seem to question their current moral standing... Or at least, they had the most potential until the writers stopped caring about them. Now they're just generic henchmen.
Salem is okay, but bland overall. She has an interesting backstory, but there are major flaws in her logic and her motivation seems to be "destroy the world" which is stupid. A better motivation would be to "Get her family back." Collect all four maidens, adopt them as her daughters and try and start over again, regardless of the consequences for the rest of the world. There's something beautiful there. But no, just "destroy the world" I guess.
Watts sucks. He doesn't do anything.
Tyrion is fun, but ultimately his motivation is to just please Salem, no matter what. He doesn't have any goals of his own it seems.
Hazel HAD the most potential. He was a brick shit-house with a mind for war and negotiation. That's interesting! But then he goes full dumb rage monster and his entire motivation, the reason he hates Ozpin, is because Hazel's sister died while becoming a Huntress. She died (I'm assuming to the Grimm) and what does Hazel do? Ally himself with the woman who CONTROLS THE GRIMM. What is that logic??
OH yes, and Adam...
Adam could have been the most interesting character; a radical fuelled by a tortured backstory and a need to see his people as victorious... Then they made him an abusive ex-boyfriend who doesn't give a fuck about his own people, all in favour of hurting his ex-girlfriend, Blake. Really interesting. (sarcasm)
TL;DR RWBY has no GOOD villains. Only POTENTIALLY good villains.
Amity Arena gave more information about Hazel's backstory and made his motivation a bit more stronger.
Adam was always an abusive ex-boyfriend who doesn't give a fuck about his own people. Everything else are headcanons.
There were only snippets of Adam's character. Essentially the character short released felt like a way to release a bunch of lore painting him out so he'd be a justified death.
The thing about Adam is that he was like a tempered blade, hard, strong, and sharp. But when it breaks it doesn't bend, it shatters.
If you can get through his facade he's not the big bad he was. My problem with him is that Blake just sorta woke up one morning and didn't care, she just sorta treated him like a side thought and suddenly he was nothing.
@@judith5327 No he wasn't. He began as an idealistic revolutionary who hated humans and wanted to see the faunus as ruling class. Never was he abusive in the first two volumes. Blake even thought of him fondly as a mentor, maybe there was an attraction but it was just hinted at. Then randomly in volume 3 he calls her "my love", beats her, stabs her, and cuts off Yang's arm (a power he has never used since. The writers made him op and then chickened out later). Adam went through a major character redesign and they completely forgot about what made him good in the first place.
@@Kaipyro67ALT He just appeared once between volumes 1 and 2, in the finale of Volume 2, how could you know from that if he was abusive or not? And Blake doesn't think fondly of him she just says he was her mentor, and she runs away from him in the black trailer, you don't run away from someone you think fondly of. Adam never got nerfed, he just has a very op semblance what he does to Yang is the same thing he does to an armor gigas in the black trailer, keep in mind that those armor gigas in the black trailer didn't have aura and he just absorbed a laser beam through his sword so it's natural that it got destroyed inmediately, in his confrontation with Yang is the same thing he just absorbed the bullets from Blake's weapon and with that he was able cut her arm off easily. But you take his sword away from him and he's not really that tough. Like I said in my previous comment, all of that are just headcanons y'all made in your heads between the time he was absent in volumes 1 and 2. The black trailer already shows the type of person he is.
In my opinion, I think Cinder should have stayed “dead” for Vol 6 and have her come back in Vol 7. Same for Neo.
Replace their scenes with Adam scenes. After he got his own character short, I thought to myself that he would play a big role. Yet, he shows up in ep 1, one PTSD flashback with Yang, and that’s all we got before he fought Blake and Yang. Give us a bit more insight into why he became so obsessed with Blake, and how he was able to find her. Give his character a bit more depth before he has to go.
You literally spoke my mind. However, it's late for that and so we must press on. Also, aren't you usually under Porterback's Amity Arena videos?
But then we get the Volume 5 problem where characters are used in the show more than they need to be. Yeah, I said it. Adam's usage in Volume 6 was the right way. Besides, it's not like I didn't IMMEDIATELY and 100% correctly predict he'd show up at the tower when Blake went alone with the clues they gave us as is.
The thing about Adam Taurus was they made a perfect fade into black moment for his character. I mean after he destroyed the throne he could have just fell to his knees then fade to black and no one ever talks about him again and it would have been perfect. It felt more like volume six was just being a dead horse with this abusive crazy boyfriend thing. Personally I prefer the Adam of volumes 2 + 3 but frankly all they had to do was just leave him in the throne room and episode 1 and it would have been done
@@lordsinister707 Oh please, we all know that A) they would've never left it there (even if they did decide to go a different route) and B) the Adam Taurus fans would've bitched and moaned about that being his finale in the show instead of the current one.
Then all you would have to say was that we would revisit his character in a sequel series or such. At that point in time , his whole relevance to the plot was gone. The way they brought him back in volume 6 just felt out of nowhere. There may have been clues in such that he was there but the fight itself felt out of place in that volume. Now I could see the fight in maybe Volume 7 or volume eight keeping the clues that they had volume six oh, but right then right there it would have made way more sense if Blake was having trouble with a high-ranking officer from the atlas military. I mean if that Tower was so important, why weren't the strongest Atlas soldiers guarding it? I mean you could have made another one off character that actually gave a good fight.
My thought is: no except maybe.
The biggest problem with RWBY villains in general is that we don’t spend enough time with them, compared to the protagonists. I see there’s a ton of stuff that can be done with all of them.
Another problem is that they reveal the interesting parts of the villains in mobile games. For instance, Knights Chronicle says that Cinder is jealous of those with natural talents and hates people weaker than her. Okay, now play that up more in the series proper, because I think that’s pretty interesting. Hazel’s description in Amity Arena is pretty interesting too, again they need to play it up more.
So far the best villain in my mind is Hazel, he has probably the most understandable reason for joining Salem. And he probably sees Ozpin as the greater evil. I like Cinder too (yeah I know, wrong comment section to say this), and it kinda frustrates me that fixing her character is probably the easiest thing to do, yet they want to focus on Nora instead.
Something I've noticed with Cinder is that a lot of her scenes benefit the character(s) around her, but at the cost of Cinder's own character.
which is sad because I actually love the bitch
hoolieish Cinder should really be the best villain by now tbh....but why is it taking so long
@@fadedneonzzz9259 Because they haven't touched on her reason for wanting power, I guess. I mean, we have _guesses_ based on her fairytale, but that doesn't really mean much until they actually show hints of it, like how Emerald and Mercury, despite just showing the part where they met her, at _least_ had a hint of why they wanted to join her-Emerald wanted out of poverty (despite having a semblance that's useful for being a thief) while Mercury probably wanted to join for employment, seeing as they were originally hiring his assassin dad. They didn't even need some sort of elaborate backstory like Salem/Ozpin, they were just kids who grew up in an unforgiving world, and at the very least, it made some fans sympathize with them in a way. Cinder, meanwhile, wants power to the point of having been roped into a war and have her biology somewhat change because...? We don't know.
Alinah Lamis that seems to be the only thing holding her back. And it’s terrible if we have to make our own headcanon just so we can enjoy the character.
I want Cinder to improve so much, and her being partnered with Neo was the best thing they could’ve done.
@@alinahlamis783 They have touched upon it.
She "wanted to be strong"
But she's also arrogant, has poor planing ability, and has only lived this long due to plot armor. She was interesting back in Volume 3, but she's crap now. A generic haha villain that needs to die.
Kinda like how Blake's character arc made her belong in the garbage.
I feel like Hazel and Salem are such missed opportunities.
Hazel had a ton of promise. V4 and most of V5 showed him as a surprisingly reasonable, peaceful and empathic villain. It raised a lot of intrigue - why was this seemingly moral person siding with the villain? What was their deal? Plus he gave off an awesome sense of dread. You clearly felt that, if he chose to fight, he'd be incredibly powerful.
And then he dropped all that and became a screaming madman, a standard mindless brute. He dropped everything that made him interesting. And not only was the delivery of his backstory clumsy, but the content of said backstory was unsatisfying and also yet another missed opportunity. RWBY is really desperate with making Ozpin seem shady without actually having him do anything shady. This led to way too much outrage over him giving Raven and Qrow bird powers. And it also bleeds into Hazel's backstory.
Let me propose a slightly different scenario. Imagine Hazel's sister was a prodigy just like team RWBY. And just like with RWBY Ozpin took notice and gave her special treatment, closing his eyes when she snuck off to fight evil and eventually actively encouraging her to stand against Salem even though she was still only a child. And when she got killed, it wasn't a random training mission, it was because he specifically sent her to fight Salem's goons, a battle he felt was important but knew was likely to get her killed.
Instantly this makes Ozpin's character more interesting, Hazel's character more interesting, and also serves as a great parallel to the present, creating a moral dilemma.
Meanwhile, Salem... I thought her backstory was building to something really good for a while. What if her ultimate motivation, her ultimate goal, is to die? She was a thoroughly unhappy person, then got a taste of life and someone worth spending it with... only to have him yanked away. And then she was turned immortal after losing the will to live. Finally the impossible happens and she's reunited with her loved one, only for him to turn his back on her. At that point she's just done with this world and wants to die already. But she can't. However, the gods said "as long as this world turns, you shall walk its face" - so what if it stops turning? What if it's destroyed? Can she finally be free? (Of course, suicide as the end goal is super dark, but also super effective in this case)
Technically that might still be the case, her ultimate goal isn't quite known yet (which is what keeps her character from being interesting enough). But I feel like the show shot itself in the foot when she threw herself into the pool of Grimm and got turned into a creature who wanted nothing but destruction. That instantly cheapens the impact of her character. She could've fallen into the pool at _any_ point in her character arc, and provided she was immortal it would've had the same effect. She no longer makes the choices she makes due to how the past has shaped her, but due to being corrupted by evil magic. Just doesn't have the same power to it.
Salem's character has really improved in Volume 6, but I feel like some creative choices made her fall short of becoming truly compelling.
I wouldn't talk about any character considering your profile picture is jaune, he is arguably the worst character in the whole show.
@@donone352 Way to dismiss these actually good ideas and prompts based on a pfp. Also I'd argue if anything Jaune is one of the more well written characters in the show (I'm not saying he's good). The reason he's better written is because he actually has a good motivation, and develops as a character and a fighter. This is something that most characters are missing completely, Cinder. Her motivation is power, which is cliche at best, and lazy at worst. Why does she want power? Who instilled the idea in her head that power is desirable? We never get that. Jaune does get one, which is to essentially make something of himself. He's a pretty terrible fighter, socially awkward, and gets picked on often. In seasons 3-5 his goal switches over to avenging Pyrhha which makes sense for his character, Pyrhha was Jaune's lover and helped him grow as a character so it'd be natural for him to want vengeance for her. Jaune also goes through a dramatic shift in character, with him becoming less goofy and beginning to take charge as a leader, even getting a weapon upgrade in season 4 and 7.
@@TortoiseNotTurtle Nah jaune is shit, he puts me to sleep everytime he's on-screen. Sure the jaune Pyrrha plot was okay, but what is jaune story arc now???, Jaune is like a bad smell which won't go away
Honestly it would've been fun seeing Hazel still being a brute but with a more calming approach, such as calmly giving Oscar/Oz the Loki treatment, trademark Hulk.
Hazel: my sister died during a training mission
Oz: oh no
Hazel: launching platforms?
Roman: I did it to survive!
**Finally have a Villain with a motive**
**Get killed by a Grim**
WHAT IN THE LIVING F**K?!
And especially Adam.
Why is it always the interesting villains get killed off the episode they became interesting?
I have a problem with how Emerald and Mercury are depicted that nobody else seems to notice: In their very first appearance, they're both clearly established as remorseless killers. Not only do they kill Tuxon without hesitation, but they - especially Emerald - seem to be taking a lot of perverse joy in slowly making him realize he's doomed. After he's dead they joke about it and have a casual convo about what type of faunus he was.
This tells me they're both complete sociopaths. So when in Volume 3 Emerald shows horror at what's going on in Beacon, it just doesn't make sense. If she was supposed to have empathy, then why contradict that so blatantly in Volume 2?
It makes a lot more sense with Mercury. Volume 6 shows how he's trying to fit in with the other bad guys, how he's been training for ages to suppress his guilt for what he does. He could totally have mastered the facade that he didn't care, even convinced himself that he didn't care. But Emerald doesn't receive any such treatment. They introduce her going in one direction, and then sneakily retcon all of that to make her a more sympathetic character.
To clarify, I have nothing against making her a sympathetic character. In fact, whenever I manage to ignore her portrayal in Volume 2, I love what they're doing with her. Just... I wish they had either introduced her character like that to begin with (maybe not with noticeable doubts, but not taking glee in killing either), or at least given a reason as to why she'd fake such glee.
Agreed.
Dude. She kill one guy who was part of Roman thing, they have a reason to kill him.
The fall of beacon was a f*cking apocalypse. There's nothing to say, it's kinda obvious...
@@idk-ye7ur Yeah they have a reason to kill him, but she enjoyed it way too much. And she dragged out the build-up
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She was a robber. She is filthy and when she enjoys killing him? We don't even see that and when where close to that she's done with the build up and even that it's another thing. You can't compare one guy who was actually with Roman vs millions of people at the fall of Beacon. There you can see Mercury who has a big enjoy of the hell going on, she doesn't.
You like jaune, I can't take anything you say seriously.
You know, i never thought if how disconnected the main heroes are from the plot until V6, like it took 4 volumes before they even knew who they are actually fighting a none of them have a reason to stop her beyond "gotta say the word" unless until Ruby and Yang put 2 and 2 together and realize that their mom was more likely killed by Salem
ERROR ANONIMO I mean maybe? Salem didn’t want Ruby to die, and the people who targeted Maria don’t seem to be related to Salem. It is quite possible Salem doesn’t care about killing silver eyed people.
Torchwick honestly deserved better than this show. I know that we can’t get a spin off due to Gray, but, a spin off comic or manga would be good for the character. Go into his backstory and stuff.Show how he met Neo
"Like Candlelight" on Fanfiction.net is exactly the kind of thing you're looking for. How Roman and Neo met, why Roman hates Faunus, and what he was doing before the show. It's all so well written and it also does some great worldbuilding, exploring the darker, seedier aspects of things that the show will never, ever touch on.
I feel like backstory of torchwick can be explored via neo flashbacks.
Hiroi Kusaji It would be a surprise if they did, but, Gray not being there or just focusing on Gen:Lock when he was there is an issue
There's already a running theory of them being the children in Brunswick farms-now, I don't know how relevant this is to their age, but I noticed that the fence between the picture and current day were different, so there could have been a timeskip before the tragedy, but anyway, as much as I would like a Neo backstory in the show proper, I feel like her just having the doll or some other hint of her origin, would be enough. Well, assuming, the show is actually going the theory's route, anyway. If not, I would honestly be fine with her, maybe looking at the hat or maybe past convo's she's had with Roman on her scroll while reminiscing, as a short scene before moving on with the rest of the episode. Possibly having some other visual hint of their backstory on screen, like how in Madoka Magica, they had a decoration of a mermaid be in the foreground of the characters talking to signify one of them's fate being a parallel to "The Little Mermaid" story.
Ehh, I kinda like Torchwick better as a somewhat enigmatic douchebag. Attaching an origin story to him would kinda ruin some of the charm for his charcter.
I still wanted to fight Weiss though.
that i agree a faunus finally taking revenge on the schnee.
Yes. I would have died to know how Weis would have reacted if she saw your scar. It would be irrefutable proof that her company is tormenting people.
The hardest part is that yang didn't even have a reaction to it, I mean Blake probably knew but there was no acknowledgement of it aside from the man himself talking about people who hurt him.
@@dtheraider4336 exactly. I mean all this so-called racism in the show and no one talks about it except for one sign and an off-handed remark that could have been directed towards yang
Eh, I seen people come back from worse...
10:11 oof that did not age well. It's interesting to watch your older videos and see how much your opinion has changed. Keep up the great work
My favorite Villians have always been Roman and Neo, Roman's personality was so sassy, and his relationship with Neo made for such a great duo, he talked to her like she could respond, and she cared for him, but she wasn't like a henchman, she was like a friend or sibling, and that is why I loved them
if you like Roman as a concept, all 3 manga versions have better Roman depiction than the official novel.
Mercury is an ass but I kinda love him.
Roman on the other hand is simply the best. That on top of her own positives makes Neo also great. Watts did nothing but I like his scenes. I liked Hazel being a villain who didn't want unnecessary deaths but his backstory didn't really work. Tyrian is fun and I like a villain who is very personally loyal to someone. They are not really villains but I wish the twins (the Malachites) had more screen time. With Adam the thing I dislike the most is that Wilt and Blush (his weapon) fell with him. I would love it if Blake took that after Gambol Shroud was broken. But as far as we can see from the new design she either had a spare or repaired it completely.
Why would she keep that? Adam had his reasons, and Blake is trash, but taking the weapon of a trauma isn't really the classiest thing to do.
@@DemonicMonkey88 her weapon broke. It could remind her who he used to be. It is a cool weapon. He died it is not as if he needs it. It would be an interesting storytelling fodder.
@@gokbay3057 No, it really wouldn't.
It's a neat Katana sure, but it was made for him and the rule of cool would only make the story even worse.
I am so glad you are doing this video... bc I was about to give up on the villains for season 7 😂 again I love your vids
I'm really hoping Mercury has a good long conversation with the heroes next volume. I don't need him redeemed I just need him to self-reflect.
I just ignore volume 5
yea never happened xD
Theres a volume 5?
@@DJPrimeAmvs Yes, but it's the newer volume. For some reason people think there's a volume 6. It's like they think Blake had actual episodes when she just showed up at the end of Volume 4 for some reason.
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Roman and Neo were/are the only two RWBY villains I actually care about. They really brought you into the story, you enjoy every moment their on screen and the interaction with our heros was grade A.
if you like Roman as a concept, all 3 manga versions have better Roman depiction than the official novel.
Give Emerald more screen time!
Personally, in my opinion the best villains in the show are Salem, Mercury, Roman, Neo, and Hazel. I honestly feel like Tyrian can be on this list if they give him a backstory, which I really think they should
Like why is he so obsessed with Salem? Considering the fact that he's a faunus, it can only be dark...
Well it would be, but considering the fact that RWBY's to scared to actually show the Faunus suffering (at least until Adam) I guess we'll never know~
Hazel? Mr. in what could be years, I have yet to realize that I'm working for the woman controlling the monsters that killed my sister and am actively killing people like her? That's not shortsighted rage, that's retarded.
I feel like the Atlas thing could last at least 1 and a half Volumes just because of the number of potential story and character arcs. One I'm particularly banking on is a possible Schneebling reconciliation arc and maybe a one-on-one talk between Dr. Polendina and Ruby from the perspective of a father and daughter who lost their loved ones-of course talking about Penny, and maybe Ruby thinking over some stuff about Summer to talk with her family (Qrow and Yang) afterwards. And that's not to mention the flying gorrilla army Salem's been conjuring, as well as the relic/maiden stuff-and can we _please_ have a training arc in Atlas Academy? So unless they're able to be efficient with some of these episodes' runtime or are able to parallel storylines (I actually dig a Monochrome conversation about being estranged from family) together, it would maybe take a bit more than just a Volume.
I know I may be a little late and someone probably thought of this one already, but I had a theory as to Cinder's backstory.
She was the only daughter of two Huntsmen parents that took on any missions that they could to make life better for everyone. She grew up seeing them as heroes that did what was right, and much like Ruby, she wanted to be like them. One day, her parents take on a mission that many deemed suicidal but they still take it to 'protect' the people. They gave their lives in their mission, leaving Cinder alone. One day she overhears a conversation between Jaques and some of his business partners. Turns out that the mission was a ruse to mine some very valuable dust in a heavily Grimm infested area. Cinder is crushed, realizing that her parents died only so that Jaques and those in power could fill their pockets with more money. She tries to tell people about what happened, but no one believes her. She feels powerless. She wants power to destroy those that would throw away people like her parents for their own selfish gain. And then comes Salem.
In this version, Cinder would be more of an agent that sought to bring down a society built upon using heroes and people like her parents as weapons for those in power to throw away whenever they pleased.
I think you’re the RUclipsr I agree with most when it comes to rwby discussions. You’re very informative and make good points
Glad tosee you covering this, you are by far my favorite content creator and i very much enjoy how you asses this topic because the villains tend to be a love em or hate em situation yet you do very well in putting them into perspective, thank you and i look forward to your next video.
Great video Thomas!
Although I disagree on your opinions on Adam, This video was a real treat to be sure.
And if you're looking for a commission for your books art, I'd be happy to oblige!
Tyrian reminds me of Joker, but less crazy and that's shocking.
Watts- He hasn't don't much on screen, but I'm assuming he had a big part in hacking atlas security during the fall of beacon, I'm mostly indifferent to him.
Hazel- his existence in the story makes absolutely no sense to me, sure I get he's mad at Oz for getting his sister killed by Grimm, but why does he ally with the person who makes and controls them??? He's one of the shows many attempts to make Oz look bad but it falls flat.
Em & Merc- they got some good scenes in V6, I especially love the breaking speech Merc gives Em, I'm starting to get interested in them again and I am very curious to see what they do next.
Tyrian- Entertaining as hell, but doesn't to have much personality outside of devout lunatic, although his interaction with Em and Merc were far more grounded I hope this means we'll get more story out of him.
Salem- I don't like her, she is somehow blander than firelord "Burn Baby Burn" Ozai, her little temper tantrum in V6 certainly hasn't endeared her to me in any way, they're trying to play her up as a chessmaster but she just comes off a brat with too much time and power, I don't care for origin story either.
Neo- I like Neo, I really do, but let's be honest they just brought her back to fellate the fans, I'm just hoping she stabs Cinder and puts us all out of our misery.
Cinder- My god what do I even say about this woman that hasn't already been said, she got better in v4 but the second she opened her mouth in V5 it was just a rinse and repeat of V1 to 3, she doesn't change, or grow, in any way she just does the same shit again and again, she's almost as bad as Adam. Speaking of which....
Adam- I hesitate to call this a character assassination, assassinations are quick and clean and what happened with Adam was just a fucking mess. They dropped the Faunus abuse and white fang plot ball so hard it made the third impact look like a fat kid doing a cannonball at the public pool, the man went from cold revolutionary to Macbeth on drugs in seconds.
He was initially Blake's mentor gone astray but for some reason he was changed to being Blake's lover, seriously that women's got four fucking people chasing her tail, this caused a bit of whiplash for me and others as prior to his yandere speech in the V3 finale he wasn't obsessed with her at all, he could've easily leapt that gap on the train and capture her but he let her go, his lieutenant promised to find Blake no matter what and the man flat out tells him to not do that, hell, the reason he was at the fall of beacon wasn't even cause he heard Blake was there, he was forced to help Salems faction by Cinder so his men wouldn't be killed. My god they even fucked up his character short, we learned absolutely nothing about him, gained no insight into his character, and then they offed him in a stupid fight. At the very least now that he's dead they can't fuck him over any more.
Also RT hates red heads
In fairness, Blake does have a pretty fine tail.
T-Third Impact?
That..that is a *MASSIVE* comparison you've just made...
PolarizedMechs her mom is hotter
@@plasticlance9418 Truth.
I always forget about Adman, Raven, and Cinder's two flunkies whenever these discussions come up, and now that I try to find something to say about them, I can't really. They have their problems but none of them form the backbone of the series the same way the others do. Even Jacques is more integral to the story because of his involvement with Weiss; the best character the story has. They play their part and are important in their own way, but fixing them as side characters/antagonists won't mean anything if the main villains as the driving force of the plot aren't doing their job.
Adam was bad, sure, but he didn't offend me like he did other people.
I dunno maybe I just don't find anything particularly relatable about having and abusive boyfriend.
They always painted him up as a psychopath but like Tyrian they always exaggerate it in ways don't really sell the supposedly broken state of his mind and he mostly comes off a stupid and disorganized rather than crazy.
I've seen blow up dolls that resemble people more than Adam. I think Thomas' distaste for Adam is more a reflection of his own hangups than anything else.
Hate to be a downer on you again, but If you think the world is full of power hungry tyrants, then you'll think that anything is justified is deposing them, and thus you yourself will become an abuser who was abused because you haven't understood your own nature.
In the same way, because Raymond Mcneil uses the arrogance of others as scapegoats for his own arrogance, as you may well have noticed since you've been talking to him.
All the evil you see in the world is really a reflection of your own inner discord.
What you call "Adam" is a disintegrated part of your own psyche.
It's you, only you're pretending it's something other than you.
You could also see it as your mind trying to warn you of what you might become if you keep going down your current path: a bigotous persecutor.
You'll know you've overcome this stumbling block and really grown when it no longer feels relevant because all the pent up frustration that was expressing itself to you through Adman will have flowed away. Like seeing a shadow of a terrible monster coming round a corner only to discover that it was a mouse. There will be no reason to judge his actions anymore and you may even be able to sympathize with him.
Deep down you know that Adam is a part of you because you admit that you *admire him* even though you claim to be against what he represents.
What you said about Salem was more or less spot on, only there is nothing to be done. If you accept death, you won't try to fix it because there is nothing to fix.
This sounds kind of disappointing on paper because if the problem is that we can't see that there's no problem, how are we supposed to have a climactic final showdown?
If good isn't really good and evil isn't really evil, how are we supposed to enjoy the triumph of good over evil?
One of the easiest way that I used was to have the climactic fight, but when the villain is knocked down and helpless, the hero realizes that killing him would just make him the next villain so he instead opts for forgiveness, breaking the cycle of -rewriters rewriting rewriters- scapegoating.
There are obvious caveats that go with this, but it is a valid template that the writers could start with so that the rest of the plot moves in the right direction until they think of something spicier.
After all, if we acknowledge that evil has it's place in this world just as much as good, then it would be wrong to simply dispose of her offhand and we were directly shown that Salem used to be a good person.
Unicorn of war. Do you remember you made a rewrite of vol 5? I applaud how you handled adam taurus's character. Making him hating the schnee more than blake's betrayal. Plus adam is my character inspiration motivated by revenge on schnee and his iaido abilities similar to that of vergil.
I hate how Cinder still believes destiny is on her side but Weiss used to be like that as well until being with others made her realize its about carving your own destiny. This can give some nice duality in Volume 7
Did you hear how Pyrrra said her view of destiny? Look the scene with her and Jaune.
I don't really know if this is relevant but I've wanted to say this forever and it makes sense here. You're completely right about the whole Adam thing. I've seen a lot of people call him 'wasted potential' but I don't really think that's true. Adam's role as a villain is different from the others because, while he does do terrible things in the show, he's not a villain that works on the overall scheme of things- he's a good villain for Blake. As a lackey under Salem he makes no sense but as a villain specifically tailored to Blake (and Yang after V3) he fits so well, and I think sometimes people forget that that's his whole purpose as a character. The main thing I see people get pissed about is from V5 when Blake punches him and then there was this huge uproar like "uh I can't believe he was downed by one punch" and "his going crazy in V6 makes no sense" but it DOES. The punch in V5 was a totally symbolic gesture because it signified Blake starting to overcome his hold on her and THAT is what caused his shift in character. His whole arc is wonderful just like you said if you view it through the right lens.
I always say Torchwick is the best villian. Wish he came back
Great vid as usual. Keep up the great work!
This is my opinion...
Adam Taurus was wasted to be Blakes abusive ex
Cinder became the "my evil plan" villain
Watts has done fuck all
Hazel was just... there to be a tank
Salem actually needs to do something in vol 7
I’m with you , for my Adam must have been one of the main villains in the atlas arc, that would make sense for two reasons.
1. According to the world of the remnant, the Grimms cannot survive the cold of atlas, so the White Fang would be their best option against atlas.
2. that better antagonist than one who has a past that is related to the kingdom which is going to destroy ( or at least the one who has the most oppression).
Honestly, I actually really like a lot of the RWBY villains. At least, the ones that have personality. Tyrian, Neo, Roman, Emerald, Mercury, Dr. Watts, Salem, they're all *fun* characters and fun villains. I mean, sure, a lot of them don't have any depth (except for maybe Salem) but villains don't NEED depth, imo. They NEED to have some kind of personality. I mean, yeah, depth for a villain would be nice but so many people think giving a villain depth just means giving them a tragic backstory. If you're going to give them depth, then y'know...actually do that. (Side note: don't try to give your villain depth by making them "kind of have a point". The only way that story can actually work is if the point they're trying to make is actually accurate, like Killmonger for example. If your villain's point that they're making that they "kind of have a point about" is complete nonsense like MCU Thanos or Heath Ledger's Joker that kind of villain quickly falls apart).
There are only two problems with RWBY's villains, but they're biggies:
1. The whole villain council is an exercise in color-by-numbers that only seems to exist because there "needs" to be a villain progression. We have The Crazy One, The Reasonable One, The Classy One, and The Sultry One (disgraced). If Salem is an immortal unbeatable true magic sorceress with an infinite supply of perfectly loyal minions, what's even the point of these rubes? Why does she keep them around? What purpose do they serve in the story besides being momentary obstacles for team RWBY to kick over?
2. If the sub-bosses are unnecessary, let them at least be stylish or interesting. People love Torchwick and Neo because they had *style*. The difference between a villain and a supervillain is PRESENTATION!
I think the main issue with the villains is that Rooster Teeth are thinking more like video game writers rather then TV show writers. In video games, writing villains is a LOT harder because you have to write the story with the mind set that the player is almost always winning and any instance were them losing HAS to be done in such a way that there is no logical reason to win.
With RWBY the show seems to be written with that mind set which makes sense as Rooster Teeth are all big gamer fans which does show up in the show itself. I mean everyone has a personal force field that allows them to take a great deal of damage until it's depleted which is something that enemies have, giant enemies types that have certain weak points that requires a great deal of skill to take down and everyone has a unique power that gives them a edge in combat.
All of these could so easily fit into a video game and, in fact, have been put into video games that the RWBY crew have appeared in. So, it's really no surprise that other tropes that have appeared in games have also shown up in the series. Surprisingly incompetent NPCs, fetch quests, and so on. So it's no surprise that the villains would follow suit as CREWBY is likely thinking like gamers and remember how Rooster Teeth got into the popular mainstream, by a bunch of friends playing Halo and acting out scenes in a original story they were making.
That's actually makes alot of sense. Obviously made by the company who made Red vs. Blue, but still it's surprising not alot people make video game comparisons with rwby.
But if that's the problem it's not just villains that are affected though but alot the big important "life and death" action sequences in the show.
I could write a decent backstory for Watts. He’s a disgruntled Atlesian Scientist responsible for the 1300’s and other atlas tech. His methods were seen as unethical and he was removed from service where he somehow met Salem.
He now wants to overthrow atlas and use their resources to further his work.
Turn your headphone volume up to full blast and then click.
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I was wondering how the Adam bit would go down and I am actually pretty cool with your analysis your spot on that he was abused and became and abuser wanting to hurt those who he felt wronged him (well actually humans did wrong him racism sucks ) the only part I’ve ever disagreed with with Adams character is that he was always an evil person from the start wanting to kill every one in his patch when in reality it’s like Blake said he had a slow decent into madnesses one thing would always lead to another so what I am saying is agree with who the fans said he was when he died but I disagree with what fans say he was when he began people say well he manipulated every one from the start but from the start he wasn’t wrong “our people had been beaten tortured treated like slaves “ and that’s true if the reason why it irks the hell out of me when ppl say Adams leadership and ideas were always bull shit is that you can’t say that with out saying the humans being racist ass holes is bullshit but in the end I think Adam stans didn’t mind him being crazy it’s just we wanted him to be crazy about destroying humans and the interesting complexness that has rather then him having a hard on for his ex
same for me it really frustrated me that to drive the abuse story for Blake they had to make his personality completely have a 180°. The comment that Unicorn of War made about this "façade of someone fighting for faunus rights" I didn't agree with so much. They make it absolutely clear that he cares about the faunus. If he was pretending to fight for the faunus then why did he refuse Cinder's deal? Why did he say "you're asking my men to DIE for a human cause..." the way he expressed such distaste for Cinder trying to use the faunus as pawns was pretty clear.
Exactly. The way they had Adam in volumes 4 and beyond was only possible if you forgot volume 3. Volume 3 version of Adam and volume 4 version of atom are too different. I mean I preferred volume 3 version of Adam because I would have died to see him actually face and fight Weiss because she needed to meet a Faunus who intolerant of her and have a conversation with them. Let her see his brand and see irrefutable proof of her company's misdeeds.
@@lordsinister707 it wouldve made Weiss's escape even more epic knowing that she had fully quit playing pretend. she knows her dad is a monster because he decides to physically abuse her now. She feels just an ounce of what Adam and the rest of the SDC faunus employees go through every day. that makes her motivations even stronger when she sees the effects of her standing by and pretending to put on a show while her dad hurts the faunus every single day. I really wish they actually DID SOMETHING with Adam's scar. It made zero sense to pull a sympathy card and then just kill him like a dog. Like he was nothing. Like they couldn't have apprehended him like they did Torchwick.
@@c.ccarlhead5744 Exactly. It would have made her question if that supposed rough childhood was because of the White Fang was ruthlessly targeting her family or was it because the White Fang was getting revenge for misdeeds committed by SDC executives and Schnee family members who walked away scot free as a bird.
I completely agree, I felt like the character short was to paint the Adam persona as best as they could retrospectively as well as try to make him as justifiable to kill off as possible.
Some people (including myself) feel that Ilia is Adam taurus 2.0 and that they eventually decided Adam was to irredeemable being an abuser and decided to make someone new take the ex white fang redemption escape pod. (I love Ilia btw)
I wouldn't feel so melancholic if Adam's death even felt halfway decent. Most of the the people happy at his death arn't happy at the how he died, it's that he IS dead. They hated the man not the impact. My complaint is that Adam didn't die realizing his own problems, he didn't die by his own hand, he just died via losing a quick time event and fell off a cliff without a word. No final thoughts or recollections just a small stumble forward, falling off a cliff into a stream, and a back break for good measure. A quiet death with nothing for him, all the effects of it were clearly for Blake and Yang with nothing for Adam to gain towards his character in his final moments.
7:46 "Adam honestly is the best villain because of his complexity"
Volumes 4-6: *Are you sure about that?*
Unicorn of War had a complete 180º on his opinion about Adam. Go watch his White Fang video
RWBY's problems are that it's characters and villains exist in different vacuums where they rarely, if ever, clash directly(and when they do, it's terribly directed and the interactions you've been waiting 5 volumes for just don't happen).
You're not SUPPOSED to view characters or villains in a vacuum. You're SUPPOSED to judge them based on the purpose they serve to the story.
Cinder, Salem, Watts, Hazel, Tyrian and Lionheart all had nothing interesting to add to the story(though to Cinder's credit, her "evil for the sake of evil" schtick somewhat functioned in Volume 1).
Torchwick and Neo had a great and interesting relationship on screen, had we actually seen them interact when they're not fighting with other people would have been great.
Mercury and Emerald provide a gray situation(heh) to their roles as villains; Mercury serving to be an actually smart villain, whereas Watts comes off as... tacky. Emerald, meanwhile, gives us the perspective of a kinda bad person choosing to side with the bad guys, when they could potentially get off with joining the good guys(and had she met Ruby first, her perspective and situation as a villain would be so different.)
Adam directly contributes to Blake, Yang, Vale, and by extension the rest of Team RWBY just by existing as a terrorist organization's radical leader. Same with Sienna... oh wait.
The Grimm serve as the Force of Nature antagonist that the heroes have to face. Very rarely do Protagonists vs. Force of Nature Antagonists have boring conclusions. How do you "beat" a force of nature? Can you? If you repel it, or push it back, will it be easier to hold the ground you've gained? Is there a way to prevent the force of nature, or even mitigate its damage to society? All of these questions could have been answered in the story, had we not had the existence of Salem. Instead, we now know even less about the threat of Grimm, even less about the world of Remnant, and worse, we don't know what's actually going to be able to happen in the story.
Salem wants the Relics to destroy the world, what's the solution to that? Defend the relics? That was already happening before the villains gained an insane advantage.
Note: Contrary to what the showrunners would have you believe, Ozpin is not a villain, never was, never will be.
The biggest issue with the villains is, as of now, no one is a bigger villain than Team RWBY.
Everyone is specting to see Neo betraing Cinder, but I think the best for Cinder’s character is that she betray Neo first.
This will not only show that she had lear from her mistakes of the past, it will show that see is a hard opponent.
She's mostly been fighting *children* during her screentime.
And most of the fights she was in was against people she knew for sure was weaker than her. The only exceptions where she was against someone clearly experienced were against Ozpin-which the ending was offscreened-Raven-her strength equaled hers, but *skill* was clearly in the Branwen's court-and Neo-was doing fairly well until Cinder went Maiden to stop the fight-. Were she ever to have a clear-cut win against people against these, it would resell her threat.
That's what people say, anyway. Because again, she's mostly been fighting kids.
First of all props to you for tackiling this topic without being a toxic clickbaiter like almost every other RWBY critic. And honestly I love how you present you criticisms on some of the villains shortcomings, yet also acknowledge that these flaws are not as world breaking as people make them out to be.
One thing I have to disagree with however, is Hazel. The thing about Hazel and his "backstory" is that we really... don't have it all. Something that always frustrates me is how the fandom goes on about how untrustworthy Oz is, yet for Hazels backstory everyone takes what he says at face value without considering that he was most likely giving half truths again. It honestly feels like those who hate on Hazel are only looking for something to shit on M and K.
Also another thing to take into consideration is the show's budget and how we kinda need to wait a bit on certain character's backstory's because their simply isn't enough screentime. I honestly don't understand why people have such a lack of consideration for the actual production, especially coming from some of the same people who supposedly advocate for the workers yet what they ask for would increase the dang workload.
All in all While some villains are better than others, none of the villains are anywhere near terrible, we just need to be patient and wait for the villain's time to shine. And before people pulle the "it's bee 3-7 years since this" crap please understand that one volume doesn't equal one season, literally every 3 volumes is a single season.
Edit: Also in Cinder's defence, especially considering the season six scene you showed at the end, Cinder clearly knows she can't kill Ruby, son she instead goes for Jaune AKA the underdog daring to challenge her.
Robno that is a beautiful way to look at everything.
@@Neo-op3iz Thanks!
The thing is we do know Hazel's backstory. His recent description in Amity Arena confirms everything said in V5 along with providing new details that put everything in a better context. So the issue is how the show itself portrayed his backstory. We should've been shown a flashback or given better details beforehand. Instead, we got a quick vague exposition dump mid-battle via Ozpin that lasted about a minute.
Only a few are toxic and still most of the criticism are valid
The whole idea of Oz being "untrustworthy" is stupid, so it makes his backstory worse.
Hope Tyrians backstory and insanity stems from the mistreatment of the schnee company
And I think Adam had a boring and meaningless death. They handled his character poorly and I'm still mad
I'll be honest, I've been on the wagon that believes Adam was poorly written. It's videos like this, along with the RWBY Fandom wiki, that have helped me to reevaluate my opinion.
Long time no rwby
So basically everyone is solid, except Cinder? I can live with that.
Can't wait for the Adam video.
That's not quite it, but Thomas' massive bias against Cinder makes it sound like he only thinks Cinder is bad
I agree with what you said with Cinder, but I have to disagree with Adam.
Just so we’re clear, I’m not here to throw shit, and sorry for my bad english.
The idea that he was always an abuser and manipulator was an idea that RT brought out of nowhere.
1. The trailer shows that Blake and Adam had confidence and affection for each other
• Blake telling him not to be so dramatic (minute 1:20)
• Adam seeing if Blake was okay after the robot attack (minute 3:15) Even in the end Blake says goodbye with a sad face.
2. At the beginning of volume 2 we can see Blake seeing a drawing of Adam with a melancholy background music.
• Chapter 10 of the volume Blake described to us how Adam was his mentor, someone who was looking for a better future for fauns regardless of methods.
• He assured Blake they were doing the right thing. Is it manipulation? Or it’s because the methods of violence paid off when the peaceful marches didn’t work.
• Besides, she says that Adam was transformed into a monster, implying that he wasn’t like that before.
3. In volume 3 it was both good and bad for the character of Adam.
The good thing about seeing Adam showing his dedication and leadership towards White Fang, Blake only described Adam to us, but in chapter 7 he shows these aspects.
• For Adam the White Fang was not a tool for his own ends, he says he is a force for revolution. This shows the character’s motivation, creating change and freeing the fauns from oppression.
• He also tells Cinder he’s not going to let his men die for his cause, a human cause. He helps Cinder because of his maiden powers (plus Adam tells his lieutenant not to look for Blake).
There’s no hard evidence that Adam was possessive or manipulative with Blake. But when he finds her, his whole personality changes, he starts talking about all he wants is Blake and he’s gonna destroy what she loves. WHAAATTTT, this manipulator idea, two-faced, ex-boyfriend, abuser, came out of nowhere.
The Black Trailer also has Adam ready and willing to murder a bunch of innocent people on board a train and the very ending of Volume 2 has him reassuring Cinder he's still on board with their plan to destroy Beacon in spite of the Faunus who died in the breach. Honestly him being abusive really doesn't come out of nowhere at all, especially since his desire for retribution against humanity comes from a desire for revenge not because he wants to make things better for the Faunus.
@@spencermalley10 Certain Adam was determined to destroy the cargo and the workers of the schnee dust company, the same company and people that literally treats the faunnus like animals, has logic that he doesn’t care if those people died, Obviously having the point of view that makes you think that all humans are equally slave to faunnus is very extreme, but that was why he was an antagonist.
In volume 2 you’re right, Cinder says it was a success, but emerald responds by saying that the rwby team made a mess, and he’s right, they were the cause that several of the white fang didn’t come out, that external causes affect the plan is not Cinder’s fault.
And this is just a theory, but something tells me that the fuses that were meant to protect the members of the Grimm White Fang, just a theory.
Besides, if the idea was to crash the train in the first place, why the hell is Roman in front of the train with the pilot, he would literally be the first to die.
@@spencermalley10 sorry for my bad english.
you know I just realized something about the scene with scorp boI and Juan. Joan of Arc is the patron saint of people ridiculed for their faith among her other domains, Purple Dye Made of Crushed and Sun Dried East Mediterranean Snails is a fanatic for Salem and had that strange interaction with Juan.
At this point I don't think they intended that but you can think it's a cool thing if you want.
Wait, I’m sure you know that the best villains are the ones that know how to attack the heroes weaknesses, and cause them to grow, but you say it’s not necessary for them to improve, but also say V7 would be the time to do so. Can you clarify what you mean by that?
I feel that the show is good but it could take some notes from the Japanese anime it is based on, the best ones i can think of are my hero academia and attack on titan since these both have parallels in RWBY, whether that be a walled city trying to keep out monsters because we all know the grim aren't terrifying or the basic dynamics of being a hero/ huntress in these worlds either way the show has room to improve, i've been watching it from day one and i still love it but i hope this helps
@Unicorn of War - Thomas Vaccaro
>MHA
>AoT
>"The best ones"
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@@battykat7086 i don't get it
Really hoping mah gurl cinder gets a glow up of her own next volume
Couldn't agree more. I honestly prefer her old design to her current one, especially the haircut, and I'd like to see her go back to a similar look.
Noah Casement I meant in writing lol I dig her outfit and hair currently
@@Portal64 oh....oops
Portal64 I don’t want to go through another hiatus where Cinder is getting dragged by the fandom, it’s very tiring
@@fadedneonzzz9259 Right? This fandom is constantly shitting on her and it's getting really old
To me as an Adam Stan I like how Adam was well done in the beginning even through I disagree with Adam always being portrayed as obbsessive ex as there are no build up to that. And yes Blake opening up to her team took time but we should have gotten something more from her.
I'd say we should have gotten less, her story killed her character and made her out to be kinda a hypocritical bitch.
Anyone know the song used at at 8:39?
Anybody know what the music she used on the Adam part's background is? I like it
the thing that bugs me is that people keep saying "they cant kill Salem", which is incorrect, salem can die but she has to learn the meaning of death first and be ok with it as one of the gods said in volume 6 chapter 3, once she learns that then she can die, at this moment in the story yes she cant die but that doesnt mean she will never die
Are the RWBY villeins bad? No.
Could they be better? Yes.
Roman Torchwick was killed off too soon and was the best villain. His death fit him perfectly but the show is bland without him.
My issue with Salem is that Miles and Kerry seriously want me to believe she was the FIRST person to try and reverse death via the gods. Seriously? How young was the world for this to be an issue and not just some annoyance you’d see every other Tuesday?
Maybe she wanted it more than anyone else.
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I Just Had A Theory! Watts Schnee? Jacques brother, maybe? Think about it Jacque and his brother work for the SDC both aiming to take over the SDC, Jacque wins by blaming his brother for something and having him get kicked out of the SDC. And marrying Weiss's mother?!😲
Panda-Cube's Videos they do have similar mannerism. Though that could also just be the same animator doing two characters with similar bodies.
@@vicente8107 that is true. But so does Weiss and Winter. It could also be how they were raised to act
Every Schnee has white hair.
So what the heck is up with Watts?
@@benjaminmcneil574 technically Jacques isnt a blood relative to the Schnee line. Only in marriage. I've seen plenty of siblings born with different hair color from their parents. And some times they can get hair color from their grandparents as well. Like it skips one generation to the next
Not really saying Watts is a Schnee. But Jacques brother (whatever his last name was before marriage)
I personally don’t like the villains because they way they were written was like “oh you think you’ve seen a threat now there’s SOMEONE ABOVE THEM” and it got to a point where it just got really tiring for me to actually care about or take seriously
I mean...isn't that how it usually is?
@@benjaminmcneil574 Not necessarily, but the difference between the way rwby does it and other series I think is with the execution. There may be a villain behind other villains in other series, but rwby does it in such a way where this kind of thing happens so often and so abruptly each season that im just kind of tired by the end of the season, by which there will be even more villains above the last group that i have to keep track of. I understand why someone would like the villains, but this is why i personally do not.
If you are an MLP fan, here is my take on Cinder. She is the Chrysalis of RWBY villains. Heck, DWK, had a take on Chrysalis that sounds exactly like Cinder. Check out 7:33-8:10 on this video and tell me I'm wrong: ruclips.net/video/uv_aEmxmTLE/видео.html
The misdirection of Adam always seemed fun to me. The illusion of a terroristic freedom fighter bent on righting the wrongs of society at any cost only to be unmasked as a flawed individual whose motives were very selfish was enjoyable in my opinion. It shows a parallel to reality in that people are not what they appear to be. Though Torchwick and Neo are obviously the best
Most "freedom fighters" are like this irl.
Whelp, when life gives ya villains!
I hope Weiss does something to hurt Cinder which triggers Emerald to target Weiss so they have that conflict.
And I hope Mercury does switch sides because I feel like out of all of the villains he's the most likely too and I do wanna see him stab the other villains in the back. It could also create some tension between him and Emerald since they are relatively close.
Every time i see the word 'tension'...I just sigh.
@@benjaminmcneil574 tension is a perfectly valid word
Here's what I'm hoping for in the future of this show (most of which are gonna be a stretch and not likely happen):
-SSSN and CFVY will return
-Neo and Ruby rivalry considering that Neo has more of a personal grudge against Ruby than Cinder considering from Neo's POV if Ruby hadn't gotten her, then she could've saved Roman
-Salem sacrifices Tyrion and Watt down the line and Hazel will run away from Salem's group.
-From this: Salem would make grimm copies of dead huntsman/huntresses like Weiss's ancestor and probably Team RWBY like in Bach DO's Grimmverse who're more effective. Not only that, but have Emerald and Mercury do more jobs and thus more screentime and flesh out their characters
-Every now and again move away from Salem and the artifacts to take care of things regular huntsman do and have team RWBY use the knowledge they've gain from Ooblecks lessons from volume 2 on Grimm.
-Flesh out Watt, Hazel, Neo and Cinders characters.
Glad to hear you're enjoying some of RWBY's villains for I cannot do so myself.
Oh I’ve missed the sass and facts of the Unicorn!
HEY HEY HEY... don't insult that puddle by comparing it to Cinder
Adam best villain.
The Legion of Doom could certainly use some more work into being more interesting but more importantly better executed in the story.
They're not bad.... they're... meeeeeeeh
Oh my gosh Cinder turning into a Wendigo type grim creature makes so much sense.
There are people who think the RWBY villains lose too much? If anything, I've heard the opposite: people think they win too easily.
Don't believe then there lying.
The RWBY villains are like Wiess's win streak.
Non-existent.
Who says that? Lmao
Beacon is the only victory they've ever had.
@@thatonetemplar And even then, Cinder had nothing to do with it XD
She just did what the real hotshots told her to do and took the credit~
@@DemonicMonkey88 You're trying too hard to shit on Cinder, bro. Stop. It's pathetic.
*fastest click in the west*
For hazels back story. They should have showed not told...
My view on RWBY is a river that became dammed because Rooster Teeth wanted it to move in the direction that it wanted rather than letting it flow naturally.
What about Jacques Schnee ? Since he acted more villian than the real villains in RWBY
No one can take that guy seriously.
Eh, he has mainly just been an antagonist to Weiss. He hasn't gone full villain yet.
@@SpiderLantern Maybe in Volume 7, he will be. Also he's a reality villain because he uses his power to abuse all the slave faunus for his development of Atlas itself
@@benjaminmcneil574 Maybe in Volume 7, he will be
I just think that the villains are just like many things in this show: they lack development of the idea. Adam is a great example. He could have been the second big bad in the series but he was downgraded to a crazy ex boyfriend.
Tyrrians reason for joining Salem is self explained if you pay attention to his speech and how he talks about Salem. She's a goddess to him basically he's just a religious nutjob kind of villian.
Objectively speaking? Technically yes, but really no. Torchwick and neo were the only good villains, and even they weren’t really all that good.
Actually it’s exactly what you said about the villains
Agree with every word
Though out of the more villainous villains you mentioned Mercury is my least favorite
I really can’t call any of them bad
For me to say they’re a bad villain is for me to just have no response to them, like, they give me nothing to work with
They may not be the best written villains ever but they’re not boring, bland, or even frustrating
Bad Villains to me are Darth Maul, General Grievous, Jango Fett, Jiren from Dragon Ball Super, Lex Luthor from Batman v Superman, Stepphenwolf from the god awful Justice League movie, and a good chunk of MCU villains
I think part of the reason neo was a such a hit with fans is because unlike with other characters the writers have to use show don't tell cuz she is mute and her semblance is a wonderful mixture of both serving the story (enough to both accentuate her character and advance the plot) and being visually entertaining in and out of combat.
It is my understanding that Monty wanted all the aspects of RWBY from semblances and dust to aura and weapons to serve the visually satisfying combat scenes that he made and neo was the best example of this as she is a character who speaks through exciting action as opposes to boring words.
Please don't hate me,but I don't think the villans are bad at all. Sure they're no Azulas but still they're pretty good. Also idk why everyone loves Torchwick so much,he barely did anything and tbh I never feared him. Cinder however made me feel for her but also hate her. To me she's good enough. (Again pls don't kill me this is just me being okay with this I'm not saying your opinion is wrong)
Hazel is my favorite
What gave you the idea that every villain is lemons? That's pretty funny.
Its from spongebob
It's not that the heroes won at Haven that upsets me, but *how* they won
I think we all can agree that Cinder needs to die in V7
Yes.
The worst offender was Adam. I don't mind if things weren't planned or not because some of the best things weren't planned such as Neo. I understand the whole abuser thing but I think it was a bad decision and prefer the morally grey character and find it much more interesting and compelling than just abusive boyfriend. Heck, I think both would work much better together. It made me feel like the writers didn't feel like they could pull off the whole Faunus racism rights thing similar to BLM where they have the right idea but their methods contradict this. They made him to being selfish and fighting for himself, not the WF and the Faunus along with being reduced to being a psycho ex which isn't very compelling or interesting at all. He could've been morally grey and psycho ex but only being the latter is very weak and not compelling. Should've kept him striving for 'equality' and have his methods in which he tries to achieve it be wrong.
Adam is a bad character. I'm not talking about how he is a bad person or that he should or should've gotten a redemption arc. He's just badly written. I didn't mind that he wasn't getting a redemption arc but the problem was throwing away the potential for one as some characters have potential to but can't be redeemed because of whatever reason even if they have the option or resources to do so.
It could also give the Grimm more plot relevance as the fear-mongering by the WF causes them to act up but being a common enemy for both Faunus and humans like it says in WOR. Have him fight for the Faunus but his methods which include abuse to get things done be the black part of the grey
He was originally the beast along with Blake being both Beauty and Beast. They were then trying to parallel him to Gaston which I think was a smart move as it allows him to be the 'villain' but also support the beauty and the beast motif of BB. But even Gaston has some semblance of a driving force because of racism and fear of the beast. He was a strong leader influencing people around him, generating fear even though his motivation at the core was selfish. Adam was solely for Blake. Using that could've been used to link more strongly to the fear-mongering due to racism and the attraction of the Grimm.
Raise your hand if you thought Adam's spiteful and controlling tendencies I'm relationships informing his past experiences without having them directly told to us was an interesting and/or compelling idea.
Why do you think moral greyness is inherently more compelling or nuanced? Why do you think Adam being an abusive "crazy ex" just automatically makes him poorly written, aside from the fact that it goes against your preconceived notion of what he was meant to be? He's more complex than you make him out to be, lol
@@flatsnark2516 Abusive ex characters are boring characters because that's usually all they have going for them and that's boring. It's also not really that cool or makes me feel bad. Like villains with great motivation or morally gray are awesome like pain, Akaza, and Stain. Akaza obsessed with power after everyone he cared about died and in his final moments he killed himself(im really shortening it). Pain killed many people to get an ultimate power to stop wars( again really shortened). Pain killed many heroes since thwy were bad and even saved Deku(short). These three are way more interesting than an abuse story. When I see abuse in anime or rwby I just think oh that sucks and then forget about it.
@@galaxyvulture6649 You realise that moral greyness is exactly the same, right? It's super easy for a character to be entirely defined by that rather than to be written as a person. Out of those three, Stain is the best example. What can you tell me about Stain aside from his ideology? Nothing - because Stain just is an ideology. He's entirely defined by edgy moral greyness that isn't even that grey to be honest. There's nothing all that complicated about him - you can summarise his entire character in "insane vigilante that kills heroes he doesn't think live up to true heroism." By comparison, boiling Adam down to "crazy abusive ex" is a disservice to the writing surrounding his character. My guess is that people turned off the second they heard those words and didn't actually pay attention to what his character is.
@@flatsnark2516 No one will ever agree on what Adam is, was, or supposed to be...
Tyrian is my fav because he’s a killer and knows how to do his job