For those curious, a more detailed explanation for why the Valsalva maneuver can be dangerous when held for too long: One of the larger contributing factors to the huge drop-off in both heart rate and blood pressure is that when you brace the air in your trachea, your epiglottis in your throat pushes some of the pressure out onto your vagus nerve that descends just along the sides of your neck. The pressure from the air, coupled with the tension in the muscles of the neck, stimulates the nerve and causes it to decrease your heart rate (as it would normally do otherwise). This, on top of your muscles soaking up so much blood, can lead to the light-headedness that many of us have come to be wary of.
yep...and you squish your inferior vena cava and right atrium from all that internal pressure, reducing venous return, which further reduces cardiac output. When you add that on top of the vagal stimulation you mentioned- which slows down the rate rate - this significantly impairs the heart’s ability’s to compensate for the smaller volume of blood it is working with. So cardiac output goes waaaay down, and boom: blackout. It’s not due to carotid compression, as some say (it’s probably most common in max deadlift attempts) 👍🏼🤓
@@5hydroxyT I always take a knee after a hard set of deadlifts 'cause I've seen so many people take a faceplant instead! Used to get lightheaded now and then, hasn't happened since. So much junk, racks, weights etc. around the floor of many gyms, I'm amazed more people don't suffer serious injuries.
@@5hydroxyT Increasing intrathoracic pressure definitely decreases venous return (and therefore cardiac output) through the mechanism you describe. But the vagal stimulation isn’t caused by air (or anything else) pushing on the vagus directly as in the explanation Zack posted, it’s caused by the increased pressure in the carotid artery/sinus (which is actually innervated by the glossopharyngeal nerve, with the vagus being the efferent limb of the reflex) which is caused by the increased intrathoracic pressure. So it’s true that in weight lifters this isn’t caused by direct compression of carotid, it’s caused by increased thoracic pressure. BUT it can be caused by direct pressure on the carotid too, since the nerve doesn’t know the difference between a high arterial pressure vs someone karate chopping the carotid sinus. This is why carotid sinus massage used to be taught as a first line vagal maneuver for people with certain types of tachycardias, but while it’s still used in some cases we’ve mostly moved away from it in favor of Valsalva, since rubbing the sinus can dislodge plaques and cause stroke.
@@seal869 thanks for the clarification on that one! so stimulation of the vagus happens via the carotid sinus. i still feel (not sure exactly) that it’s unlikely someone could put direct pressure on their carotid arteries with a barbell - anatomically i think you would crush your trachea first which would be a slightly bigger problem...😮
Love your work Zack, thank you. The first lifter is not experiencing a vasovagal syncope, but rather a syncope from a coup/contrecoup injury to the brain. Basically his head got whipped up rapidly which caused his brain to hit his skull, which overstimulated it and caused a temporary paralysis. Glad he's okay.
Figured someone else would spot this as well. Had she been barefoot or wearing nearly any sort of shoe she probably wouldn't have ended up on her back.
Exactly dude commenting doesn't even know what the lift is, axle lift. Gabby Wichmans a beast. Previous NZ strongest woman champion and now at City Kickboxing since last year for MMA. She'd beat this guys ass lifting or fighting any day of the week
@@jayel7308 First of all Zaxk knows what the lift is, he literally says this particular lift is garbage and should be changed. Second of all, athletes have coaches for a reason: they are not perfect and need help with knowledge, technique, training, etc... Do you go telling every coach to stop talking because they are worse than the athletes?
Super useful! I started doing some simple weightlifting movements as supplements to my normal strength training thanks to Zack, now if it ever goes wrong I'll know what to do
Thank god you talked about the possibility of breaking both arms cleaning with straps. I clean with straps sometimes and never once thought how a fail may absolutely annihilate my fore arms. I will never clean with straps ever again after watching this.
Zack talked about it in another video, if using strap for any weightlifting movement where you need to bail only wrap the strap once around the bar and outwards, not back through the hand hole. So when you need to bail the strap will slip off and not get caught on itself.
@@ljaki23 Honestly straps for anything outside deadlifting seems insane. The risk may be lower if your technique is good and you do the straps the right way, but its' never zero. You could so easily rip your shoulder out of your socket and be done weightlifting for the rest of your life.
Yeah it looked like a few were Powerlifters playing around with Olympic snatches/ cleans, they have the strength but not the mobility. Most of the decent weightlifters I've seen at the gym spend half their training session practicing form and flexibility. They look like their color guards for 30 minutes, then bam they pile on the kilos.
Ain't the point in half of the strongman events to be weird and goofy? Bro I loved this video. Us non weightlifting plebs don't know about all the funny things that happen when you fail your lifts.
I'm not sure where I come down on "strong man" - for me right now it's too much of a risk unless the weight is really light, but like weight lifting in general I'm sure it's fine with proper technique, programming and discipline (which probably means working with good coach or trainer). The axel lift is an odd thing - but strong man is all about lifting odd or "ordinary" objects (as opposed to olympic bars) which isn't in itself a bad thing. I think Alan Thrall sets a great example of how to approach strong man in general.
Thank you for the straps on cleans commentary, for some reason it seems to be encouraged by high school and university strength coaches with minimal technique work. Risk does not seem to equal reward in that setting
its usually fine if you your just power cleaning or doing lighter weights for full cleans to help improve mobility but ya max cleans that may lead to failure shouldnt be done with straps
Like how Zack was chill for almost the whole video but then at the last two fails just got frustrated at the end and was like 😡😡 PUSH THE BAR AWAY FROM YOU!!! LOVE IT man keep educating people. Lifting is very fun but can destroy your body too if you don't know what your doing.
Very entertaining, but the approach is respectful unlike most "fail videos'. Also, this video is long due. Some of these I had to learn the hard way, taking uppercuts to the chin from a bar))
Not lifting with an ego would’ve saved the lot of these folks. A couple are honest mistakes but too many people end up lifting for the cam instead of themselves.
Bearing down causes the vagal response. Bearing down to move your bowels, lifting heavy or even coughing hard can cause it. It can actually be helpful first aid to do it on purpose if someone is experiencing an abnormally elevated heart rate. Of course medical attention is still required even if a vagal maneuver works.
Dude at 6:00 was smiling after he hit the ground. I'd almost say it was more of a spectacular missed lift than true fail. Part of the problem with the woman doing the continental clean was she was shoeless. She had crap for traction, and she needed decent traction. Muscle snatch guy just needs to drop the freaking bar.
I had a situation exactly like 4:00, i couldnt drop back, i had so much mobility that i managed to bend forward in the hole and i escaped (around 130 kg)
"So it's a 143 kilos, 315 pounds. He's got straps on!" I dont know why but that sounds so hilariously derogative. I have no clue if this is ridiculous or not tbh, is it like wearing belts for benchpress or some shit?
With the (highbar) squat advice to drop the weight, i allways imagined a cartoon style frog, you push him downwards on the top of his head towards his butt/hips, then when you let go he SPRINGS diagnoly forward, thats how my highbar drops have allways felt lol
I think an overlooked fact is the importance of proper footwear and the risk of doing overhead lifts in socks which I think is the real cause of the fail with the lady doing the axelbar press.
Great video. The log press one hit a little close to home. The garage I lift in is me organized better but the rack is right behind the open area for deadlifting, overhead pressing, etc. I do mainly strength training and hypertrophy though the main three lifts plus overhead with log press and viking press, but have been thinking about starting to learn weightlifting in the near future. Mostly for banking the information for future changes in programming. I just don't know the cues or bail outs currently. Instructional and entertaining presentation.
The phenomenon you describe in the first clip is called “vasovagal syncope.” It’s one reason the massive, slow deadlifts are so impressive. Because they’re slow, the lifter is fighting physiology to stay conscious long enough to get a green light. It’s absolute f$cking insanity that people can do it.
There’s a video of a guy slipping while squatting. It was on mike O’Hearn’s page. But was removed m. pretty brutal to watch. The guy had to have gotten pretty hurt
I notice the experienced weightlifter who sits on the bar never looks panicked or disoriented, even when he screws up, his level of concern never gets above "oops!", and he effectively breaks his fall. You can see the experience.
Zack, I like and use your chin up, looking down the nose cue for the jerk. I would add pushing your shoulders up into the barbell as it releases some pressure off the carotid artery. There is a good explanation of this from a very successful American weightlifting coach who used to have a club in CA but now runs his team out of his garage in OR.
Just like in gymnastics they should teach you to break your fall or bail a lift in this case. People put themselves in so much unnessecary danger and blame it on weightlifting being a dangerous sport.
7:18 thats a continental clean, and its a legit strongman movement. Although, it has nothing to do with weightlifting ofc. But the execution is lackluster af.
muestra a cualquiera haciendo mal ejercicio y luego a lasha, y a lu xiajun para que me vean como se hace, porque no muestras tus levantamientos, o cuando ganaste las 3 oros olimpicos, todo es sarcasmo, i don't translate the sentences because i don't want
For those curious, a more detailed explanation for why the Valsalva maneuver can be dangerous when held for too long:
One of the larger contributing factors to the huge drop-off in both heart rate and blood pressure is that when you brace the air in your trachea, your epiglottis in your throat pushes some of the pressure out onto your vagus nerve that descends just along the sides of your neck. The pressure from the air, coupled with the tension in the muscles of the neck, stimulates the nerve and causes it to decrease your heart rate (as it would normally do otherwise). This, on top of your muscles soaking up so much blood, can lead to the light-headedness that many of us have come to be wary of.
Thank you!
yep...and you squish your inferior vena cava and right atrium from all that internal pressure, reducing venous return, which further reduces cardiac output. When you add that on top of the vagal stimulation you mentioned- which slows down the rate rate - this significantly impairs the heart’s ability’s to compensate for the smaller volume of blood it is working with. So cardiac output goes waaaay down, and boom: blackout. It’s not due to carotid compression, as some say (it’s probably most common in max deadlift attempts) 👍🏼🤓
@@5hydroxyT I always take a knee after a hard set of deadlifts 'cause I've seen so many people take a faceplant instead! Used to get lightheaded now and then, hasn't happened since. So much junk, racks, weights etc. around the floor of many gyms, I'm amazed more people don't suffer serious injuries.
@@5hydroxyT Increasing intrathoracic pressure definitely decreases venous return (and therefore cardiac output) through the mechanism you describe. But the vagal stimulation isn’t caused by air (or anything else) pushing on the vagus directly as in the explanation Zack posted, it’s caused by the increased pressure in the carotid artery/sinus (which is actually innervated by the glossopharyngeal nerve, with the vagus being the efferent limb of the reflex) which is caused by the increased intrathoracic pressure. So it’s true that in weight lifters this isn’t caused by direct compression of carotid, it’s caused by increased thoracic pressure. BUT it can be caused by direct pressure on the carotid too, since the nerve doesn’t know the difference between a high arterial pressure vs someone karate chopping the carotid sinus. This is why carotid sinus massage used to be taught as a first line vagal maneuver for people with certain types of tachycardias, but while it’s still used in some cases we’ve mostly moved away from it in favor of Valsalva, since rubbing the sinus can dislodge plaques and cause stroke.
@@seal869 thanks for the clarification on that one! so stimulation of the vagus happens via the carotid sinus. i still feel (not sure exactly) that it’s unlikely someone could put direct pressure on their carotid arteries with a barbell - anatomically i think you would crush your trachea first which would be a slightly bigger problem...😮
One time a guy deadlifted 300kg in a barn and gave himself 2 black eyes. Cant remember his name but he reminded me of a giraffe
jujimufu
Jac Talonger *nods*
I member that.
@@ricardolujanrangel7744 no I think it was actually zed
tak zoolander
And this is why coaches exist.
Way to combine education and entertainment!
woah nice to see you here
Love your work Zack, thank you. The first lifter is not experiencing a vasovagal syncope, but rather a syncope from a coup/contrecoup injury to the brain. Basically his head got whipped up rapidly which caused his brain to hit his skull, which overstimulated it and caused a temporary paralysis. Glad he's okay.
Isn't this the mechanism of injury for concussion?
@@kyrie4451 Yes.
Agreed definitely this and not a vaso. I'd imagine the immediate pain on the jaw didn't help the situation.
I can confirm the danger of fucking up a clean with straps on. Torn ligaments in the wrist and hand with a 6 month recovery .
the music at the end made my day
I've had the first one happen too me 2 times but thankfully it didn't knock me out and I still finished the lift.
I would definitely enjoy a part 2
Ayyy Pikmin music
"Incoming has right of way."
Tbf that strongwoman’s problem was lifting in socks on a slick wooden floor.
Figured someone else would spot this as well. Had she been barefoot or wearing nearly any sort of shoe she probably wouldn't have ended up on her back.
Exactly dude commenting doesn't even know what the lift is, axle lift. Gabby Wichmans a beast. Previous NZ strongest woman champion and now at City Kickboxing since last year for MMA. She'd beat this guys ass lifting or fighting any day of the week
@@jayel7308 First of all Zaxk knows what the lift is, he literally says this particular lift is garbage and should be changed. Second of all, athletes have coaches for a reason: they are not perfect and need help with knowledge, technique, training, etc... Do you go telling every coach to stop talking because they are worse than the athletes?
@@user-cf1iw7tf3k maybe they’ll let her keep the socks with the grips on the bottom once she gets out of the hospital for next time
Extremely refreshing you make this educational instead of shaming/trolling like most "fail" videos.
Super useful! I started doing some simple weightlifting movements as supplements to my normal strength training thanks to Zack, now if it ever goes wrong I'll know what to do
I like this format too, would be nice to see more of this
He is laughing at these people? I wish he hadn't sunken to that level, because he is a solid and knowledgeable youtuber
@@jubilantyogurt are we not allowed to laugh at things that are funny anymore?
This should be a weekly segment: "Chuckles and Chortles with Zack."
Agreed
Video 4 of asking Zack to react to men’s and women’s clean events in CrossFit games 2019
I’m not going to make it easy for you
@@zacktelander do it
@@aidanhowell5780 *DEW IT.*
Why would you want a video of this? I can sum it up into one word.
Yeah you should wu it…um I mean coach wu it… I mean do it.. yeah
Thank god you talked about the possibility of breaking both arms cleaning with straps. I clean with straps sometimes and never once thought how a fail may absolutely annihilate my fore arms. I will never clean with straps ever again after watching this.
Zack talked about it in another video, if using strap for any weightlifting movement where you need to bail only wrap the strap once around the bar and outwards, not back through the hand hole. So when you need to bail the strap will slip off and not get caught on itself.
Smart idea. It just doesn't seem worth it unless your life/income depends on winning weightlifting competitions.
@@ljaki23 Honestly straps for anything outside deadlifting seems insane.
The risk may be lower if your technique is good and you do the straps the right way, but its' never zero. You could so easily rip your shoulder out of your socket and be done weightlifting for the rest of your life.
@@HolyTurtleOfDoom noted. No more straps for lat pull downs for me💯💯
10:17 A zercher clean and jerk? Send this to Bugenhagen pronto!
Check out Sam Le Serf, high level strongman middle weight strongman. Does a Zercher clean and jerk with the axel, pretty sure he has done ~180kg
The green hoodie guy with the log posted the video himself. He wakes up after a while and shuts it off.
That just looks rough cause he is properly unconcious, you can easily dislocate something because you are so limp.
did the log hit his leg? that looked horrible.
He's fine
In the „Fitness World“ the people should enjoy weightlifting for the movement. They push the weight too early, too high without coaching.
Yeah it looked like a few were Powerlifters playing around with Olympic snatches/ cleans, they have the strength but not the mobility. Most of the decent weightlifters I've seen at the gym spend half their training session practicing form and flexibility. They look like their color guards for 30 minutes, then bam they pile on the kilos.
Ain't the point in half of the strongman events to be weird and goofy? Bro I loved this video. Us non weightlifting plebs don't know about all the funny things that happen when you fail your lifts.
#1 way to prevent fails: make the lift
Don't ego lift
Thanks coach
*make the lift correctly 🤘
After a heavy deadlift I ALWAYS crouch down right after if I feel any lightheadedness to avoid falling over
Its still risky tho.. best to have someone close by to catch you if you pass.out immediately
I lay on the floor at the slightest dizziness
11:54 This is a muscle snatch.
Nah, this is a muscle snap. Performed by John Cleese.
This is the type of content where Zack fucking shines. Comedy and critique at the same time with a variety of lifts, more of this!
I like that it's a fail compilation, but with constructive criticism
I'm not sure where I come down on "strong man" - for me right now it's too much of a risk unless the weight is really light, but like weight lifting in general I'm sure it's fine with proper technique, programming and discipline (which probably means working with good coach or trainer). The axel lift is an odd thing - but strong man is all about lifting odd or "ordinary" objects (as opposed to olympic bars) which isn't in itself a bad thing. I think Alan Thrall sets a great example of how to approach strong man in general.
Zack sounded like a disappointed dad through the whole video
Thank you for the straps on cleans commentary, for some reason it seems to be encouraged by high school and university strength coaches with minimal technique work. Risk does not seem to equal reward in that setting
its usually fine if you your just power cleaning or doing lighter weights for full cleans to help improve mobility but ya max cleans that may lead to failure shouldnt be done with straps
ah so this is why we don't do muscle snatches with straps to use the actual muscle and not kill ourselves :D
Like how Zack was chill for almost the whole video but then at the last two fails just got frustrated at the end and was like 😡😡 PUSH THE BAR AWAY FROM YOU!!! LOVE IT man keep educating people. Lifting is very fun but can destroy your body too if you don't know what your doing.
11:14 Bar in the crooks of your elbows!
Don’t lift with your hands, Lift with your ELBOOOWS.
Very entertaining, but the approach is respectful unlike most "fail videos'. Also, this video is long due. Some of these I had to learn the hard way, taking uppercuts to the chin from a bar))
Almost as bad as those leg press knee snappers. Those are gnarly lol.
Not lifting with an ego would’ve saved the lot of these folks. A couple are honest mistakes but too many people end up lifting for the cam instead of themselves.
i literally have nightmares about dropping a split jerk on my foot or ankle like that
Bearing down causes the vagal response. Bearing down to move your bowels, lifting heavy or even coughing hard can cause it. It can actually be helpful first aid to do it on purpose if someone is experiencing an abnormally elevated heart rate. Of course medical attention is still required even if a vagal maneuver works.
Zack's "how not to die" check list 😆 love it.
Dude at 6:00 was smiling after he hit the ground. I'd almost say it was more of a spectacular missed lift than true fail.
Part of the problem with the woman doing the continental clean was she was shoeless. She had crap for traction, and she needed decent traction.
Muscle snatch guy just needs to drop the freaking bar.
You seem way more confident and comfortable on camera now. Not sure if it's because of jiu-jitsu or just from making more videos over time but noice
Thats why fighters tuck their chin! Its the absolute OFF button. Any time the jaw gets spun or jerked your in danger of goin out.
"Carotid artery PR" made my morning, fanx Geff
I had a situation exactly like 4:00, i couldnt drop back, i had so much mobility that i managed to bend forward in the hole and i escaped (around 130 kg)
Guy cant squat 300lbs
Guy tries to lunch after
Strongman girl had socks on, no traction, surprised ya didn't catch that.
You NEED to do more videos like this!!!
learn from mistake , this is very important! injury can put you backward for a long time!
7:41 yeah I don't think axle cleans & socks go well together lmao
yeah, she slipped doing a continental clean. funny tho'
"So it's a 143 kilos, 315 pounds. He's got straps on!"
I dont know why but that sounds so hilariously derogative. I have no clue if this is ridiculous or not tbh, is it like wearing belts for benchpress or some shit?
Oh hey! The snatch fail behind is at University of Calgary! Hometown represent!
Every crossfitter should watch this.
What do people with huge schnozzes do on jerks?
With the (highbar) squat advice to drop the weight, i allways imagined a cartoon style frog, you push him downwards on the top of his head towards his butt/hips, then when you let go he SPRINGS diagnoly forward, thats how my highbar drops have allways felt lol
That's a good way to visualise it. Someone like Toshiki fails back squats exactly like that.
I think an overlooked fact is the importance of proper footwear and the risk of doing overhead lifts in socks which I think is the real cause of the fail with the lady doing the axelbar press.
10:15 that’s my boy! 😂
Throwback to quarantine and before having a now competent coach 👌🏻
Great video. The log press one hit a little close to home. The garage I lift in is me organized better but the rack is right behind the open area for deadlifting, overhead pressing, etc. I do mainly strength training and hypertrophy though the main three lifts plus overhead with log press and viking press, but have been thinking about starting to learn weightlifting in the near future. Mostly for banking the information for future changes in programming. I just don't know the cues or bail outs currently. Instructional and entertaining presentation.
0830 not to mention she has socks on a wooden olatform
1:32 the term you're looking for is "syncopal episode"
Really enjoyed this. Not just a typical fail video. There was actually good information here.
This was so cringe worthy and enjoyable 😬 thanks for the journey
lol, the guy push pressing with chains is my buddy. Imagine my surprise watching this.
I’m so glad to see you making more youtube content recently! Exactly what I need to make my day better ❤️
Make more videos like this please
Wish I had watched this before I failed a squat today. Went forward and rolled the bar off my head
7:16 was not expecting that
First of all if you are afraid of weightlifting don't with proper coaching and techniques you will be fine unless you train in crossfit gym lmao
Could you do a video on how to properly bail out from under the bar?
The phenomenon you describe in the first clip is called “vasovagal syncope.” It’s one reason the massive, slow deadlifts are so impressive. Because they’re slow, the lifter is fighting physiology to stay conscious long enough to get a green light. It’s absolute f$cking insanity that people can do it.
There’s a video of a guy slipping while squatting.
It was on mike O’Hearn’s page. But was removed m. pretty brutal to watch. The guy had to have gotten pretty hurt
I notice the experienced weightlifter who sits on the bar never looks panicked or disoriented, even when he screws up, his level of concern never gets above "oops!", and he effectively breaks his fall. You can see the experience.
if i were to remember only one thing from all the videos of klokov, it would be *NEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEZ OUT*
Zack, I like and use your chin up, looking down the nose cue for the jerk. I would add pushing your shoulders up into the barbell as it releases some pressure off the carotid artery. There is a good explanation of this from a very successful American weightlifting coach who used to have a club in CA but now runs his team out of his garage in OR.
Sorry. Funny not funny. But that, "Gonna have a bad time," had me rollin'.
Thank you! Such useful tips for preventing disaster. Should be essential viewing for all lifters.
Just like in gymnastics they should teach you to break your fall or bail a lift in this case. People put themselves in so much unnessecary danger and blame it on weightlifting being a dangerous sport.
I almost passed out the first time I deadlifted 465
So glad that a camera wasn't available for when I passed out doing a push press. Apparently I hit the ground and twitched a few times. 😆
I actually feel like someone has final given me the weightlifting safety briefing... thank you 🙏
no strongman, but i want do overhead-press a axel over my head ^^ that thing has only 48 kg but is so freaking thicc
7:18 thats a continental clean, and its a legit strongman movement. Although, it has nothing to do with weightlifting ofc. But the execution is lackluster af.
Axle bar girl might have stayed upright if she had worn proper footwear
blood suply...?man you do a little of boxing and tell me after, this strike shaked his cerebellum
That woman was just wearing Sox. On a slick wood floor. Why she thinks it’s good idea to not wear shoes. 😆
First dude was looking ahead for the jerk, was always gonna happen. Chin high, get it out of the way.
To my non weightlifting eye, it looks like in all cases, these people are trying to lift more weight than they're capable of.
The girl doing the axle bar C&J slipped because she was on a platform in socks not shoes.
axel bar press in socks (seemingly) on a slick platform..... yikes all around.
13:02 dose Zack go uhhh because his leg was bending the wrong way?
muestra a cualquiera haciendo mal ejercicio y luego a lasha, y a lu xiajun para que me vean como se hace, porque no muestras tus levantamientos, o cuando ganaste las 3 oros olimpicos, todo es sarcasmo, i don't translate the sentences because i don't want
That is a continental, not a clean. There is a reason they invented the Olympic bar....
Hey man. How if someone just try to have an extra effort and he/she faill?
Her axle technique actually wasn't bad, it was the fact that she slipped.
People need to learn when you use straps, it's not part of a weightlifting outfit
I learned how to bail on a snatch after I failed my first pull out....
Love this content tack zoolander
too long didn't watch? be aware when your lift has no hope of being made
That log lift fail and the split jerk hitting the shin are going to give me nightmares
Yeah I might just stick to powerlifting...
The reason they failed is because the bar isn't in hand and feet are not under bar...
don't use chains at all?!!!! i will forget you said that.
I love these videos.. just not the ones were people get seriously injured.
my friend broke his femur with a 315 snatch