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this occurred during/between the two pelopennesian wars and now i am REALLY curious how it influenced the athenian-spartan rivalry so i'm gonna watch but you might do a 10 minute or even short on strategic implications since "thucydides trap" is topical.
A Korean viewer who enjoys watching the History Marche channel. Why isn't the video of Hannibal Barca and the Second Punic War coming up again? And how about East Asian war history?
As a person who lives in Salamis, thank you for this great video ! Also fun fact : the region of Kynosoura means "Dog's tail". The story goes that when the Battle of Salamis took place, a fisherman was watching the battle. When he saw that the Greeks won, he was so happy that he jumped into the sea so that he could go and hug the warriors. The fisherman had a dog with him, and when the dog saw that his master ( the fisherman ) was having a hard time swimming he jumped too so that he could help him. But in the end they drowned together watching the Greeks winning.
_"O children of the Greeks, go and free your homeland,_ _liberate your children, your wives, the temples of your fathers’ gods,_ _and the tombs of your ancestors, now the struggle is for all things."_ -Aeschylus: The Persians
Love that you decided to do some coverage of Greco-Persian wars, for some reason, there's not a lot of channels that do so. I don't doubt we'll see more episodes and the conclusion of it soon enough.
@@ap572 are you joking? There are like a million of these videos and about Alexander. All history channels cover this, yet never cover the rise of Cyrus the great and how the Persians defeated 4 major empires to create their first empire.
You must be joking. Greco-Persian wars have been done to death. Age of colonization vids on the other hand are a dime a dozen. I rarely see battles during this era highlighting how Europeans became the dominant powers in the world. I actually want history channels on YT to cover this as the battles were epic like the 500 Portuguese vs the 20,000 Indians and the Portuguese winning them. I dont know why History channels shy away from this era. They are pretty interesting.
4:22 thats putting it mildly, he had a slave whisper in his ear each night "sire remember the athenians" to make sure he didnt forget how pissed he was
I was in Greece with Michael’s Amazing Tours. The excellent guide explained how the Persian ships were significantly larger and could not manoeuvre as well so the Greek vessels could move better to attack. The shallower water and unusual islands made this a difficult task for the Persian navy that was not equipped and fought a day too early.
both battle of thermopylae and salamis is an excellent example how to use the environment for your advantage. persian wars was the beginning of the western civilization
I think in the beginning of the battle, Themistocles ordered tactical retreat to draw the Persians ships to even more narrow space. He waited also for the wind to change and then ordered the attack.
I recommend reading Aischylos' tragedy about Salamis. It's a short read and fascinating as many people seeing the play at it's premier had been participants of the battle. So his account - even though highly artistical has some spine chilling realism to it. Reading the section of people thuna fishing and butchering the young persians you can almost hear the reaction of the theater audience through the paper
Ahh.. the famous Battle of Salamis (Ναυμαχία τῆς Σαλαμῖνος)! The Battle of Heroes (ἠ μάχη τῶν ἤρώων), as I like to call it. At the Battle of Salamis, in my own words, the sons of Greece became one soul (μία ψυχή), one body (ἔν σῶμα), one heart (μία καρδία), and one nation (ἔν ἔθνος). At Salamis, all the differences and feuds between the Greek poleis were set aside and forgotten. At Salamis, the Greek World (Ελληνικός Κόσμος) became one (μόνος). For the first time in history, the Ionic, democratic, and philosophical Athens (Άθῆναι) fought side by side with the Doric, oligarchic and militaristic Sparta (Σπάρτα), which was by far the greatest historical rival of the Athenians throughout the entire Hellenic history. From my historical perspective, the Battle of Salamis was the battle that "proved and testified the honor and the courage of the sons of Greece" (ἠ μάχη ἤτις ἐδήλωσεν καὶ ἐμαρτὐρησεν τὴν τιμήν καὶ ἀνδρείαν τῶν υὶῶν τῆς Έλλάδος). With the exception of Thebes (Θῆβαι), which sided with the Persians, and Argos (Άργος), which became weak after the overwhelming Spartan victory at the Battle of Sepeia (494 BC), each major Hellenic city contributed with the war effort. For ALL Hellenes, whether Athenians, Spartans, Corinthians, Chalcidians, or Megarians, the defense of Greece became a matter of freedom or death (ελευθερία ἤ θάνατος). At Salamis, the Greeks were not only fighting for their respective cities (πόλεις), but also for their very autonomy as a nation. According to Herodotus, Athens, which was the "queen and light of Attica" (Η βασίλισσα καὶ τὸ φῶς τῆς Αττικῆς), sent 180 triremes under Themistocles; Sparta, which was not a thalassocratic power, sent 16 ships; Megara, in turn, sent 20 ships; Corinth, the "mother of Syracuse" (ἠ μήτηρ τῶν Συρακουσῶν), sent 40 ships under Admiral Adeimantus; Aegina, the main island of the Saronic Gulf, sent 30 triremes; Chalcis, the "queen of Euboea" (ἠ βασίλισσα τῆς Εὐβοίας), sent 20 ships; and Epidaurus, the "treasure of Argolis" (ὀ θησαυρός τῆς Άργολίδος), sent 10 ships. Moreover, even the city of Croton (Χρότων), one of the most important Greek colonies of Magna Graecia, sent one ships to Salamis. However, amazingly enough, the Battle of Salamis was not the only battle waged by the Greeks on that day. On the very same day in which the Athenians, Spartans, Corinthians, and Megarians were fighting the Persians at Salamis, the Greeks had to face another major threat against their independence: the Carthaginians In 480 BC, probably on the same day in which the Battle of Salamis took place, Hamilcar, the Carthaginian King, sent thousands of soldiers towards Sicily (Σικελία), which was once the very heart of Magna Graecia (Μεγάλη Έλλάδα/Μεγάλη Έλλάς), as the Greek colonization in Sicily and Southern Italy became known. Just like Xerxes wanted to seize Greece and add it to his glorious Achaemenid Empire, the Carthaginians also coveted Sicily and its fertile lands. However, just like Xerxes at Salamis, the Carthaginians were also overwhelmingly defeated by the Greeks at the decisive Battle of Himera (480 BC), in which King Hamilcar himself was killed! Due to the Dorian alliance between Syracuse and Akragas, which were by far the two most important Greek states of Sicily, the Greeks managed to wipe out the Carthaginian Army. Therefore, on that day, Greek Sicily was also saved alongside mainland Greece proper. After the resounding Greek victory at Himera, Syracuse, which was then under the leadership of its Tyrant Gelon I (485-478 BC), became by far the most important city of Sicily! In my own words, Syracuse became the "queen of Sicily (ή Βασίλισσα τῆς Σικελίας) and the "treasure of Greater Greece" (ὀ θησαυρός τῆς Μεγάλης Έλλάδος). The Carthaginians, for their part, only returned to Sicily 70 years later! Moreover, the Carthaginian losses at Himera were so overwhelmingly great that the political system of the city itself was changed! From 480 BC onwards, Carthage ceased to be an absolute monarchy. 480 BC, therefore, was probably the "Annus Mirabilis" in Greek history. On the same day, the Greeks managed to repel two overwhelming foreign invasion against their lands on two fronts (Greece and Sicily), thus preserving their autonomy and way of life.
Just as the oracle's prophecy predicted that the death of Leonidas would spare the city of Sparta, the prophecy of Salamis stated that Athens would be abandoned, leaving behind only a wooden wall to remain standing. Themistocles believed that the wooden wall would be the victorious Greek navy.
Long-time Greek subscriber here. Congrats for the video, you covered all the important aspects of the battle in great detail. It was a decisive victory for the Greeks against the odds that secured the naval theatre of the war and enabled the greek counterattack to begin in earnest. Please make a video with the formation of the Delian League that followed afterwards!
Another wonderful historical coverage episode about naval clashed between Parthian fleets and Greeks 🇬🇷 where smaller number of Greeks Ancient warships defeated enormous numbers of Parthian Ancient warships ...thank you an excellent ( History Marche) channel for sharing this magnificent episode
You should really redo the battle of Las Navas de Tolosa (1212) , It involved Order of Santiago Order of Calatrava Knights Templar Knights Hospitaller Knights of St. George and French, German, Occitanian, Italian and Spanish Crusaders against a force 2x bigger then them (11K v 25K) It layed the foundation for the dismantle and destruction of the Almohads in Iberia. It was the turning point for the Reconquista basically, by 1285 the Reconquista was already lost.
Just imagine if the greeks had gone against athens, and their entire people had sailed west to italy, how would this have changed history? How would the new traumatized athenian culture develop? Would the Persians then defeat the rest of hellas and sail to italy to continue their feud? A alternative history episode where we look into this and compare to other groups of people who suffered a simillar fate could be really interesting.
Hello history marche. Hope you’re doing well but I have a question. How do you animate your infantry and cavalry lines breaking and things like that when they look damaged it really looks cool
3 things to clear. -The greeks weren't, at this point, more experienced at sea that his enemies. This is like saying that french archers were more skilled and experienced that welch and english archers. The phoenicians and egyptians were the most skilled sailors in this site of the world. Remember, the greek fleet, specially the one made by Athens, have little experience at sea. -The persian fleet didn't have a "poor performance" at artemisium. Indeed, they won a little victory. The strait was too large in comparison with salamis, so the persoan fleet have more space to manouvre. The greeks withdraw from that position not only by the defeat at Thermopylae but because they were at risk of a major defeat if they fight again there. -This is tricky, but is debated that there was another isle nearby salamis that could have serve to hide the movements of the greek fleet, thats why they could nulify the persian fleet. Not only the the lack of space, but because they smash with force the flank of the entire persian fleet, raming constantly.
1st point. ^^^^^^^^^^ Maybe I covered it poorly, but what I meant was that the Persian fleet being worse than the Greeks at Salamis was not the rule, rather an exception. The 'Persian' seamen were worked hard by Xerxes, which may have impacted morale. And the mass recruitment surely impacted overall quality of the fleet, despite the superior Phoenician and Egyptian contingents. On the day of Salamis, the Persian seamen were tired, for they launched their ships at night after a full day's work the day before. They had little to no sleep all night because they had to keep their ships moving all night long, back and forth, or else they could have rammed into each other. The Greeks, by contrast, spent the night on land and they were relatively rested compared to the Persians. Where I most agree with you is that I wasn't as clear about overall quality of Athenian vs 'Persian' seamen - that's a bit of a blunder. But it's worth mentioning, that although the Athenian fleet was in its infancy, their less-elegant and heavier ships were perhaps an asset versus the lighter and sleeker Persian ships in this situation, where ramming was going to dominate the battlefield. Moreover, the Greeks had all the advantages. Themistocles positioned himself knowing that between 8:00 and 10:00 a sea breeze would blow up the channel from the Saronic Gulf - not a strong breeze, four to five knots, but just enough to unsettle the water and to be a problem for, sailors who weren't expecting it, and sailors who had lighter boats, like the Persians. And when the breeze did upset the Persian ships, it did so just enough to give the Greeks another advantage. So all these factors combined contributed to the Greek victory. On another day we may have seen a completely different outcome. In fact, we surely would have. But the Greeks, in my opinion, simply made better use of what they had. 2nd point. ^^^^^^^^^^^ What you say is 100% correct. I aimed at throwing in my own attempt at 'reading between the lines'. Namely, the Persian fleet at Artemisium were at their peak strength. Despite losses to the storm, they towered over the Greek fleet and should've crushed them, no questions asked. So the aim should've been to wipe out the Greek forces, as they did at Thermopylae, as part of the process of reducing Greek resistance. But here we see a brute force attempt by the Persians on the first day and then hesitation on the second day of the battle. Worse, we see a lack of coordination with the Euboean contingent that was supposed to prevent the Greek withdrawal. They had to find a way to pin the Greek fleet long enough for the Persian ships to complete the maneuver around Euboea. But instead, the break in action allows the Greeks to withdraw on the third day, and kind of set the tone for Salamis. It was almost like a feigned retreat that Mongol warriors did on land, but here the Greeks did it on water. 3rd point ^^^^^^^^^^ Yes, very good point! I actually thought about this at length. Now that you mentioned it, I do regret not including it as a digression at least. I could've briefly added a hypothetical island to the map with accompanying narrative that offers one more possible factor which may have influenced the outcome at Salamis. And once that bit was done, because we don't know where this island was, I could've removed it from the map once battle proper began. That would've added an additional interesting layer without over-hypothesizing the battle. I might make an extended version just to include this lol.
It's strange that so many history channels use AI images to depict historical figures now. Besides looking cheap, they're completely redundant; it's interesting to know roughly what a person looked like, based on depictions from that person's era, but I can't believe anyone cares at all how AI might imagine that person to have looked.
As the narrator noted, the Greeks were more experienced and likely the better swimmers, which could have meant that they could be rescued and fight another day. The Persian fleet wasn't, which probably meant that more of their crew members drowned and couldn't be easily replaced.
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When are you gonna finish your hannibal series?
It's Paid Content on another of their Channels. You have to pay to see the War Against Hannibal and the Pacific War Series
this occurred during/between the two pelopennesian wars and now i am REALLY curious how it influenced the athenian-spartan rivalry so i'm gonna watch but you might do a 10 minute or even short on strategic implications since "thucydides trap" is topical.
Sounds like a scam
I like the narrator he is the best please don't change him
Absolutely agree!
EPIC voice - give me at each episode goosebumps
A Korean viewer who enjoys watching the History Marche channel. Why isn't the video of Hannibal Barca and the Second Punic War coming up again? And how about East Asian war history?
agreed!
I was in Po Hang, I had a good time with the ROK Marines, love this channel myself
I was in Po Hang, I had a good time with the ROK Marines, love this channel myself
He already covered the entirety of Second Punic War and Hannibal Barca's campaign in extensive detail.
@@ap572They didnt finish it tho lol
As a person who lives in Salamis, thank you for this great video ! Also fun fact : the region of Kynosoura means "Dog's tail". The story goes that when the Battle of Salamis took place, a fisherman was watching the battle. When he saw that the Greeks won, he was so happy that he jumped into the sea so that he could go and hug the warriors. The fisherman had a dog with him, and when the dog saw that his master ( the fisherman ) was having a hard time swimming he jumped too so that he could help him. But in the end they drowned together watching the Greeks winning.
That's sad to hear.
@@theprogenitor951 Yeah its a sad story unfortunately
@@the_new_napoleon7038 lol
I was expecting a happy ending. I guess tragedy is a Greek tradition
@Alexq79- Hahaha indeed it is
_"O children of the Greeks, go and free your homeland,_
_liberate your children, your wives, the temples of your fathers’ gods,_
_and the tombs of your ancestors, now the struggle is for all things."_
-Aeschylus: The Persians
Do the Greek counter-attack in Egypt, it is never talked about and to my knowledge never been covered anywhere on yt.
Counter attack? Wasn't it an offensive that failed miserably?
Simply EPIC!
The detail on the maps are incredible.
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Love that you decided to do some coverage of Greco-Persian wars, for some reason, there's not a lot of channels that do so. I don't doubt we'll see more episodes and the conclusion of it soon enough.
Likely the result of Age of Empire 2 making a dedicated campaign DLC specifically for the Greco-Persian wars. Highly recommend btw
@@ap572 are you joking? There are like a million of these videos and about Alexander. All history channels cover this, yet never cover the rise of Cyrus the great and how the Persians defeated 4 major empires to create their first empire.
You must be joking. Greco-Persian wars have been done to death. Age of colonization vids on the other hand are a dime a dozen. I rarely see battles during this era highlighting how Europeans became the dominant powers in the world. I actually want history channels on YT to cover this as the battles were epic like the 500 Portuguese vs the 20,000 Indians and the Portuguese winning them. I dont know why History channels shy away from this era. They are pretty interesting.
4:22 thats putting it mildly, he had a slave whisper in his ear each night "sire remember the athenians" to make sure he didnt forget how pissed he was
We have always made sure that we would be able to procure ourselves unforgetfulness and lack of oblivion us Athenians, have we not?
The way you depict the tension and tactics involved in the battle is masterful. This video is a treasure trove of knowledge!
Ive been waiting for a HistoryMarche Salamis for SO long. Dreams do come true.
Excellent documentary video with exceptional content and graphic. Eagerly waiting for your second video on Nader Shah.
Thanks for this video I've been waiting 🙏🏼
Another amazing video as always HM!
This video is incredibly informative, especially your masterful portrayal of the battle's tension and tactics.
Thank you so much for the kind words! I'm glad you enjoyed the video.
Without a doubt, the battle I had most hoped you would represent.
Great video.
Never been this early to a HistoryMarche video. Haven't watched it yet, but I know it's going to be awesome!
Thank you guys this is a very pleasant surprise! Hope you come around to doing plataea someday too!
at the same day, greeks fought against the whole world in the battle of imera and the battle of salamis and they emerged victorious
Been reading Pindar recently, couldn't come at a better time this one
YOU'RE THE BEST history marche! Keep up the good work 🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉
I was in Greece with Michael’s Amazing Tours. The excellent guide explained how the Persian ships were significantly larger and could not manoeuvre as well so the Greek vessels could move better to attack. The shallower water and unusual islands made this a difficult task for the Persian navy that was not equipped and fought a day too early.
both battle of thermopylae and salamis is an excellent example how to use the environment for your advantage. persian wars was the beginning of the western civilization
Midweek video?! YES PLEASE 😊😊😊😊😊
I think in the beginning of the battle, Themistocles ordered tactical retreat to draw the Persians ships to even more narrow space. He waited also for the wind to change and then ordered the attack.
One of my favorites, thank you.
Love your videos on the battles
I recommend reading Aischylos' tragedy about Salamis. It's a short read and fascinating as many people seeing the play at it's premier had been participants of the battle. So his account - even though highly artistical has some spine chilling realism to it. Reading the section of people thuna fishing and butchering the young persians you can almost hear the reaction of the theater audience through the paper
I thought this week's episode would never arrive....this comment is a sacrifice to the algorithm
FOR THE ALGORITHM ❤❤❤❤❤
Great battle animation and very informative ❤❤
Respect to my Greek brothers, greetings from your northern neighbour 🇬🇷🇦🇱
Awesome stuff, can never get enough. Books, videos, everything.
Now we need the Battle of Plateea, after this formidable video.
What a strange irony. Themistocles went a long way to beat the Persians and did. Only to end up defecting to them after the war. Wow. Great video.
One of my favorite battles narrated by my favorite history youtuber after a hard day's work. Its like gaining my sanity back in Dark Souls.
For the algorithm!
Ahh.. the famous Battle of Salamis (Ναυμαχία τῆς Σαλαμῖνος)! The Battle of Heroes (ἠ μάχη τῶν ἤρώων), as I like to call it.
At the Battle of Salamis, in my own words, the sons of Greece became one soul (μία ψυχή), one body (ἔν σῶμα), one heart (μία καρδία), and one nation (ἔν ἔθνος). At Salamis, all the differences and feuds between the Greek poleis were set aside and forgotten. At Salamis, the Greek World (Ελληνικός Κόσμος) became one (μόνος). For the first time in history, the Ionic, democratic, and philosophical Athens (Άθῆναι) fought side by side with the Doric, oligarchic and militaristic Sparta (Σπάρτα), which was by far the greatest historical rival of the Athenians throughout the entire Hellenic history.
From my historical perspective, the Battle of Salamis was the battle that "proved and testified the honor and the courage of the sons of Greece" (ἠ μάχη ἤτις ἐδήλωσεν καὶ ἐμαρτὐρησεν τὴν τιμήν καὶ ἀνδρείαν τῶν υὶῶν τῆς Έλλάδος). With the exception of Thebes (Θῆβαι), which sided with the Persians, and Argos (Άργος), which became weak after the overwhelming Spartan victory at the Battle of Sepeia (494 BC), each major Hellenic city contributed with the war effort. For ALL Hellenes, whether Athenians, Spartans, Corinthians, Chalcidians, or Megarians, the defense of Greece became a matter of freedom or death (ελευθερία ἤ θάνατος). At Salamis, the Greeks were not only fighting for their respective cities (πόλεις), but also for their very autonomy as a nation.
According to Herodotus, Athens, which was the "queen and light of Attica" (Η βασίλισσα καὶ τὸ φῶς τῆς Αττικῆς), sent 180 triremes under Themistocles; Sparta, which was not a thalassocratic power, sent 16 ships; Megara, in turn, sent 20 ships; Corinth, the "mother of Syracuse" (ἠ μήτηρ τῶν Συρακουσῶν), sent 40 ships under Admiral Adeimantus; Aegina, the main island of the Saronic Gulf, sent 30 triremes; Chalcis, the "queen of Euboea" (ἠ βασίλισσα τῆς Εὐβοίας), sent 20 ships; and Epidaurus, the "treasure of Argolis" (ὀ θησαυρός τῆς Άργολίδος), sent 10 ships. Moreover, even the city of Croton (Χρότων), one of the most important Greek colonies of Magna Graecia, sent one ships to Salamis.
However, amazingly enough, the Battle of Salamis was not the only battle waged by the Greeks on that day. On the very same day in which the Athenians, Spartans, Corinthians, and Megarians were fighting the Persians at Salamis, the Greeks had to face another major threat against their independence: the Carthaginians
In 480 BC, probably on the same day in which the Battle of Salamis took place, Hamilcar, the Carthaginian King, sent thousands of soldiers towards Sicily (Σικελία), which was once the very heart of Magna Graecia (Μεγάλη Έλλάδα/Μεγάλη Έλλάς), as the Greek colonization in Sicily and Southern Italy became known. Just like Xerxes wanted to seize Greece and add it to his glorious Achaemenid Empire, the Carthaginians also coveted Sicily and its fertile lands.
However, just like Xerxes at Salamis, the Carthaginians were also overwhelmingly defeated by the Greeks at the decisive Battle of Himera (480 BC), in which King Hamilcar himself was killed! Due to the Dorian alliance between Syracuse and Akragas, which were by far the two most important Greek states of Sicily, the Greeks managed to wipe out the Carthaginian Army. Therefore, on that day, Greek Sicily was also saved alongside mainland Greece proper.
After the resounding Greek victory at Himera, Syracuse, which was then under the leadership of its Tyrant Gelon I (485-478 BC), became by far the most important city of Sicily! In my own words, Syracuse became the "queen of Sicily (ή Βασίλισσα τῆς Σικελίας) and the "treasure of Greater Greece" (ὀ θησαυρός τῆς Μεγάλης Έλλάδος). The Carthaginians, for their part, only returned to Sicily 70 years later! Moreover, the Carthaginian losses at Himera were so overwhelmingly great that the political system of the city itself was changed! From 480 BC onwards, Carthage ceased to be an absolute monarchy.
480 BC, therefore, was probably the "Annus Mirabilis" in Greek history. On the same day, the Greeks managed to repel two overwhelming foreign invasion against their lands on two fronts (Greece and Sicily), thus preserving their autonomy and way of life.
IM HYPE FOR THIS VIDEO
Just as the oracle's prophecy predicted that the death of Leonidas would spare the city of Sparta, the prophecy of Salamis stated that Athens would be abandoned, leaving behind only a wooden wall to remain standing. Themistocles believed that the wooden wall would be the victorious Greek navy.
Great work mate!
Please Cover Battle of Indus 1221 Between Genghis khan and Jalaluddin of Kwarizmian
I love this channel!!!
Just wanna say thanks for the video bro
I love the smart ass remarks by all the participants. My favorite is at 6:55. "We have most of the fleet, douchebag!", followed by "good point!". 🤣🤣🤣
liked before watched and was not disappointed as always ; )
Love your videos!
Another great commentary
Great vid!
Thanks!
Thank you.
Great analysis.
Thanks for the video!
Hope you and your father are doing well
Hey Boss, ya so history Marche just posted so Im gonna need to go home early
Boss: understandable have a great day
Long-time Greek subscriber here. Congrats for the video, you covered all the important aspects of the battle in great detail. It was a decisive victory for the Greeks against the odds that secured the naval theatre of the war and enabled the greek counterattack to begin in earnest. Please make a video with the formation of the Delian League that followed afterwards!
Sacrifice for the algorithm, and for Hellas!
Merci ❤
And in gladiator, they said this battle happened between Persians and TROJANS...
Ah, yes. The Battle of Salamis, a turning point in the Pizza Wars.
Great video 🎉
You need to collaborate with Epic History TV again!
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my inspiration!
Another wonderful historical coverage episode about naval clashed between Parthian fleets and Greeks 🇬🇷 where smaller number of Greeks Ancient warships defeated enormous numbers of Parthian Ancient warships ...thank you an excellent ( History Marche) channel for sharing this magnificent episode
Greeks lost to Parthian Persians
@@Techtalk2030 sure, in your mind...for the rest of the world they didnt
@@konkats-tg7pf lol they lost their whole selucid empire to the Parthian Persian dynasty
@@Techtalk2030 can you name a major battle where parthians defeated greeks?
@ how do you think they took over the selucid empire?
Eva Green is op
OH YES what a cast for Artemisia
You should really redo the battle of Las Navas de Tolosa (1212) , It involved
Order of Santiago
Order of Calatrava
Knights Templar
Knights Hospitaller
Knights of St. George
and French, German, Occitanian, Italian and Spanish Crusaders against a force 2x bigger then them (11K v 25K) It layed the foundation for the dismantle and destruction of the Almohads in Iberia. It was the turning point for the Reconquista basically, by 1285 the Reconquista was already lost.
When are you gonna finish you're hannibal series?
i beg you sometime do a video about athenian hegemony and rise and how they got back the lands from the persians. For example battle of eurymedon
Excellant!
Just imagine if the greeks had gone against athens, and their entire people had sailed west to italy, how would this have changed history? How would the new traumatized athenian culture develop? Would the Persians then defeat the rest of hellas and sail to italy to continue their feud? A alternative history episode where we look into this and compare to other groups of people who suffered a simillar fate could be really interesting.
Tremendous!
This comment will be a sacrifice to the algorithm! Awesome video as well!
I like to think the Oracle was playing 4d chess to demonstrate the further need for an alliance
A good film.
At this point I am sure this channel is trolling us with the Hannibal finale
Wr waited a whole year and now I simply googled how it all ended and played out 😅
Interesting.
Um ships in the animation seem to be moving backwards? With their bows at stern?
Global mistake in animation - ships are moving backward
It's funny😅
But you got my like)
At last some coverage of Greco.persian wars on YT.
YES!
Will you do in depth alexander?
yes
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love you very
Make a video about the spartacus uprising rebels.👋🏻
cool
Who's here after beating the Salamis mission on AOE2?
Who is the narrator and what other channels does he work for? Thx
Hello history marche. Hope you’re doing well but I have a question. How do you animate your infantry and cavalry lines breaking and things like that when they look damaged it really looks cool
3 things to clear.
-The greeks weren't, at this point, more experienced at sea that his enemies. This is like saying that french archers were more skilled and experienced that welch and english archers.
The phoenicians and egyptians were the most skilled sailors in this site of the world. Remember, the greek fleet, specially the one made by Athens, have little experience at sea.
-The persian fleet didn't have a "poor performance" at artemisium. Indeed, they won a little victory. The strait was too large in comparison with salamis, so the persoan fleet have more space to manouvre. The greeks withdraw from that position not only by the defeat at Thermopylae but because they were at risk of a major defeat if they fight again there.
-This is tricky, but is debated that there was another isle nearby salamis that could have serve to hide the movements of the greek fleet, thats why they could nulify the persian fleet. Not only the the lack of space, but because they smash with force the flank of the entire persian fleet, raming constantly.
1st point.
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Maybe I covered it poorly, but what I meant was that the Persian fleet being worse than the Greeks at Salamis was not the rule, rather an exception. The 'Persian' seamen were worked hard by Xerxes, which may have impacted morale. And the mass recruitment surely impacted overall quality of the fleet, despite the superior Phoenician and Egyptian contingents.
On the day of Salamis, the Persian seamen were tired, for they launched their ships at night after a full day's work the day before. They had little to no sleep all night because they had to keep their ships moving all night long, back and forth, or else they could have rammed into each other. The Greeks, by contrast, spent the night on land and they were relatively rested compared to the Persians.
Where I most agree with you is that I wasn't as clear about overall quality of Athenian vs 'Persian' seamen - that's a bit of a blunder. But it's worth mentioning, that although the Athenian fleet was in its infancy, their less-elegant and heavier ships were perhaps an asset versus the lighter and sleeker Persian ships in this situation, where ramming was going to dominate the battlefield.
Moreover, the Greeks had all the advantages. Themistocles positioned himself knowing that between 8:00 and 10:00 a sea breeze would blow up the channel from the Saronic Gulf - not a strong breeze, four to five knots, but just enough to unsettle the water and to be a problem for, sailors who weren't expecting it, and sailors who had lighter boats, like the Persians. And when the breeze did upset the Persian ships, it did so just enough to give the Greeks another advantage.
So all these factors combined contributed to the Greek victory. On another day we may have seen a completely different outcome. In fact, we surely would have. But the Greeks, in my opinion, simply made better use of what they had.
2nd point.
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What you say is 100% correct. I aimed at throwing in my own attempt at 'reading between the lines'. Namely, the Persian fleet at Artemisium were at their peak strength. Despite losses to the storm, they towered over the Greek fleet and should've crushed them, no questions asked.
So the aim should've been to wipe out the Greek forces, as they did at Thermopylae, as part of the process of reducing Greek resistance. But here we see a brute force attempt by the Persians on the first day and then hesitation on the second day of the battle. Worse, we see a lack of coordination with the Euboean contingent that was supposed to prevent the Greek withdrawal. They had to find a way to pin the Greek fleet long enough for the Persian ships to complete the maneuver around Euboea.
But instead, the break in action allows the Greeks to withdraw on the third day, and kind of set the tone for Salamis. It was almost like a feigned retreat that Mongol warriors did on land, but here the Greeks did it on water.
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Yes, very good point! I actually thought about this at length. Now that you mentioned it, I do regret not including it as a digression at least. I could've briefly added a hypothetical island to the map with accompanying narrative that offers one more possible factor which may have influenced the outcome at Salamis. And once that bit was done, because we don't know where this island was, I could've removed it from the map once battle proper began. That would've added an additional interesting layer without over-hypothesizing the battle. I might make an extended version just to include this lol.
4:43 look at the top of Kyme
Please do the battle of Otlukbeli
Muito bom
HOI's 4 naval stacking penalty.
Do make Camgains of Po Bisanour 1360 to 1390
For the algorithm
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It's strange that so many history channels use AI images to depict historical figures now.
Besides looking cheap, they're completely redundant; it's interesting to know roughly what a person looked like, based on depictions from that person's era, but I can't believe anyone cares at all how AI might imagine that person to have looked.
Is this the final of the Hannibal series.. 🤔😎
Eyyyyyy
The fact that the Greeks only lost 40 ships and Persians losing over 200…jeez.
all 500 Persian ones were at least heavily damaged, 200 sank even.
@@klausbrinck2137 damn, Greeks were no joke during those times.
As the narrator noted, the Greeks were more experienced and likely the better swimmers, which could have meant that they could be rescued and fight another day. The Persian fleet wasn't, which probably meant that more of their crew members drowned and couldn't be easily replaced.
Supposedly. People write their own stories
And the fact that the Persians STILL outnumbered the Greeks. Crazy times.
might want to correct the speech bubble at 21:31. it's "could have" not "could of"