15 Years Later… EVERYTHING Has Changed

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  • Опубликовано: 12 янв 2025

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  • @SportingLogically
    @SportingLogically  2 года назад +7

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  • @thareelhelloagain
    @thareelhelloagain 2 года назад +114

    This was such a well written, well researched, articulate, nicely presented, informative, and fantastically engaging video, Tucker. I'm a long time fan, and I have to say, I honestly think this is your best video ever. Bravo, my friend, you just get better and better.

  • @mobalanchi
    @mobalanchi 2 года назад +58

    I knew player movement was getting out of hand when James Harden was purposely looking fat to get traded. 😭

    • @SportingLogically
      @SportingLogically  2 года назад +21

      The phase I really should’ve mentioned 😂

    • @Wallyworld30
      @Wallyworld30 2 года назад

      He's been traded twice after getting fat and he's still fat. I think James is just a fat guy now.

    • @reimixo
      @reimixo 2 года назад +3

      Barkley got fat so the 76ers wouldn't draft him...

    • @crungefactory
      @crungefactory 2 года назад

      Looking fat = actually fat

  • @JamesMeyer2
    @JamesMeyer2 2 года назад +80

    If Zion leaves the Pelicans and doesn't sign his rookie extension with them, I'm predicting that small market NBA owners will push for franchise tags like the NFL has. It has been very clear that even the supermax doesn't make star players re-sign with their teams.

    • @noahlisiecki2734
      @noahlisiecki2734 2 года назад +5

      Or even a lesser version of what the MLB has where you need to play 6 seasons (They can shorten it to 3 or 4 seasons) worth to even enter free agency

    • @shamsnoor7043
      @shamsnoor7043 2 года назад +5

      NBPA would want so much in return, the owners would balk.

    • @reimixo
      @reimixo 2 года назад +4

      @@noahlisiecki2734 Rookie contracts are 4y

    • @reimixo
      @reimixo 2 года назад +1

      What is that? I have hear that but don't what it is, NFL tags

    • @crungefactory
      @crungefactory 2 года назад

      @@reimixo duckduckgo brother

  • @purityisastateofmind7439
    @purityisastateofmind7439 2 года назад +2

    I've always liked being a smaller market team fan because it's always exciting to watch an underdog thrive
    But it's definitely starting to get old having your team start to do well and immediately only hearing talk about which bigger market team they're gonna leave you for once they're free

  • @kingkalil21
    @kingkalil21 2 года назад +9

    Been watching this guy all day like a marathon thanks for another fresh new video

  • @grb_electric2395
    @grb_electric2395 2 года назад +4

    Great vid. There needs to be more protections on smaller teams against this. Players should be contractually penalized for sitting out and doing these things. It’s embarrassing

  • @magswolia
    @magswolia 2 года назад +4

    Only criticism is the Zion speculation seems pretty baseless. Its beyond clear he wants to play. The team isn't clearing him. He's going through their full rehab process. The idea he's using the injury as leverage makes no sense when he's posting 360 dunk videos regularly at this point. His camp, which had been largely quiet, is saying he wants to play. The idea that he just blanketly doesn't want to be in NOLA seems ignorant at this point.

    • @bpdmf2798
      @bpdmf2798 2 года назад +1

      Wouldn't it be nuts if they weren't playing him so they could resign him for less than the max? I've seen trans do that where they play guys less minutes and keep their stats down in contract years only for then to explode in use after resigning.

  • @Juiceontheloose76
    @Juiceontheloose76 2 года назад +6

    I don't even watch or like basketball, but I like people doing things expertly. You my friend are great and retrospect and predicting future trends.

  • @j-rey-
    @j-rey- 2 года назад +6

    Does anyone else really despise the player movement trend? Things like choosing where you live and work only function in an economy that has more than 20 star employees and is not a zero sum game. If I choose to work at Adobe in SF instead of staying at Facebook in Seattle, Facebook has 1,000's of employees and my absence will not destroy their organization and put them out of commission for years. Whereas in the NBA, the team that got screwed becomes demonstrably, directly, and significantly worse while the other team gets better. Sure, companies compete with each other, but they can all still succeed and make money, whereas in the NBA, one team wins and the other loses. I'm definitely a jaded Spurs fan who hates Kawhi with a passion for personal reasons, but I just find it hard to care who wins in the NBA anymore. It's essentially rigging the game even more than it already is

    • @darmawan3029
      @darmawan3029 2 года назад +3

      the difference between endorsement deals opportunity, personal branding, etc. is massive in a small market vs big market team. a player who can say "i won a championship with the lakers" even when he gets 10 mpg and few DNPs would be comercially more appealing compared to " i was an all star and played 14 season with the timberwolves" type of guy

  • @rickgs8
    @rickgs8 2 года назад +3

    As a fan I'm not really interested in watching the same big market teams win over and over again because all players want to be there thus they get the best available players all the time. Really loses a lot of the entertainment value, at least for me.... I'm sure the league will thrive regardless, but I guess I'll start exploring other entertainment options.

  • @hammerbros20
    @hammerbros20 2 года назад +5

    Your content quality keeps going up! You can tell how much thought and time spent went in on the video. Keep it up!

  • @grantvicknair
    @grantvicknair 2 года назад +6

    Living in New Orleans we the pelicans fan do not understand the Zion hate New Orleans narrative… he is the reason CJ is here he recruited him to the pelicans

    • @Wallyworld30
      @Wallyworld30 2 года назад +1

      Zion has played the same number of games as Greg Oden. He a complete bust. Y'all could of had Ja Morant SMH.

    • @TheWhitePenny
      @TheWhitePenny 2 года назад +4

      @@Wallyworld30 To compare Greg Oden to Zion is absolutely asinine...

  • @luislainez4913
    @luislainez4913 2 года назад +3

    We didn’t have to wait for Ben Simmons to show us what you said. Paul George showed us when he got out of OKC

  • @taleweaver34
    @taleweaver34 2 года назад +1

    Love this well done history of player initiated movement. Great one Tucker! Keep em coming!

  • @iam.Tonio19
    @iam.Tonio19 2 года назад

    Thank you for explaining the kawhi situation. Everyone in San Antonio was in shock when it happened. No one knew what to feel about it

  • @lamchunting856
    @lamchunting856 2 года назад +2

    If everyone signs 1 year deals, role players will see a huge salary increase

  • @visno
    @visno 2 года назад +3

    ben simmons doesn’t sit out the way he did without harden first requesting out of houston in the most toxic way he could.

  • @jpowell6418
    @jpowell6418 2 года назад +2

    I really think in the next cba. It's gonna be a longer lock out because the owners of the teams, general managers, and so on. If I put myself in their shoes, it seems they are put in a bind with almost every star player. And there's no way they can get these players to play without going about it their way. Whether it's getting players they want, or giving them more days off, whatever. I feel like the business side of the NBA is gonna push for this kind of change hard. And ironically hold out on their money until they get what they want.

  • @leonarddavis3684
    @leonarddavis3684 2 года назад

    Thanks for showing this

  • @keithjenkins5617
    @keithjenkins5617 2 года назад +1

    Was spitting nothing but facts 💯

  • @lukeeah
    @lukeeah 2 года назад +1

    great video! i think you might have forgot Anthony Davis but very informative
    Remember that the league is a business, not just the players and team and franchise

  • @renoultrenoulli2322
    @renoultrenoulli2322 2 года назад

    At this point either NBA got more tougher to tackle this thing or they created "transfer" system rather than trade but keeping the cap space

  • @nbapbaupdate8338
    @nbapbaupdate8338 2 года назад +1

    Bron leaving Cavs
    Boston effect 🤣😅😂

  • @gabrielfleming5650
    @gabrielfleming5650 2 года назад +2

    Speaking on this as fans we like to see player movement it’s fun for us

  • @rqbxrtt
    @rqbxrtt 2 года назад +1

    imo i would argue that it started with the kobe and shaq beef

  • @justinlorio7073
    @justinlorio7073 2 года назад +5

    Honestly what’s the point of having 30 teams if none of these players want to play for small markets? Concerning the Zion situation, how is he worth a max contract when he hasn’t proven to be healthy and get his weight under control. New Orleans might sign him to a max because it’s in their best interest, but why would another team roll the dice on a player that has missed more games then he has played. If Zion does sign the qualifying offer, why wouldn’t New Orleans trade him and get a haul for him. They essentially did it with AD, and in the short term it worked out for the Lakers but New Orleans gets the Lakers’ lottery pick this year and pick swaps in the future. They’ll do the same to the Knicks if he signs the one year deal. Also concerning the Pelicans, they are team on the rise. Willie Green and company have done wonderful job turning the team around. Shit, Zion’s stepdad went on local podcast and said, “Willie Green is the truth.” Why would you pass up signing a max offer and be on a competitive team with players like BI, CJ, JV, and Herb Jones. You really want to be under James Dolan that bad?

    • @xxjackirblackbloddxx7377
      @xxjackirblackbloddxx7377 2 года назад +2

      League gotta promote teams better

    • @crungefactory
      @crungefactory 2 года назад

      Milwaukee is a small market team...

    • @bpdmf2798
      @bpdmf2798 2 года назад +3

      @@crungefactory and Milwaukee sucked for like 40 years after Kareem, maybe a half decent run here or there. Milwaukee got super lucky getting a no nonsense superstar like Giannis, he's a one in a million type of talent plus integrity and personality. I'm a Celtics fan looking forward to facing the bucks in round 2 but I'll be the first to tell you Giannis is special and i can't look at Kelly Olynyk without hurting s little inside knowing Danny Ainge chose him over Giannis now that he came out and said it was a toss up between those 2 in the draft and Kelly "was more skilled." F'ing long haired Canadian over a guy who even before he grew 2 inches and 50 pounds in the league was at worst a solid starter.

  • @everythingcollectibles
    @everythingcollectibles 2 года назад

    I blame Glen Taylor for KG hating the Timberwolves. The only reason why KG didn’t chose to go into the Hall as a Timberwolf, was because of Taylor.
    Also: If Zion starts a new trend, we will even be seeing less and less NBA players spending their entire career with one franchise. Currently the Active players that have reached the 10 season threshold are Haslem (19), Curry (13), Beal, Dame, & Draymond (10), with Giannis and Gobert added next season (9).

  • @Randompersonfromnowhere
    @Randompersonfromnowhere 2 года назад +3

    I dont blame Simmons for trying to get hi money for this year but thats an ahole move. So He wasnt injured at the time. refused to come to work and when he did for a day and act like a jerk and got sent home. Says he doesnt care about the money and just wants to be traded and now demanding 76ers to pay him for the year.

  • @jermelsanders6339
    @jermelsanders6339 2 года назад +1

    Free agency is an opinion and they don't need to stay with that team and not the same as requesting trade just to be clear beating James and kd up for moving is a fan problem not a player problem

  • @GhostboyEms420
    @GhostboyEms420 2 года назад +3

    Kyrie telling the Cavs he was going to get season ending surgery if he didn't get traded

    • @bpdmf2798
      @bpdmf2798 2 года назад

      As a Celtics fan i wish he did.

  • @dljocely
    @dljocely 2 года назад +1

    Where’s the Nets videos Tucker!!!!

  • @bpdmf2798
    @bpdmf2798 2 года назад

    Been Simmons sat out until he got traded ... then continued to sit.

  • @jjmcg9688
    @jjmcg9688 2 года назад

    Kg didn’t want to leave. He has an issue with Taylor, but he didn’t want to leave.

  • @StevenEatsAlone
    @StevenEatsAlone 2 года назад +1

    Is there anything better than the Nets being down 0-3 😊

    • @bpdmf2798
      @bpdmf2798 2 года назад

      Yeah, the sweep.

  • @MrJames-ww5em
    @MrJames-ww5em 2 года назад +1

    My guy💯

  • @crysilis
    @crysilis 2 года назад +2

    it'd be even crazier if you streamed though

  • @tysonwarren1419
    @tysonwarren1419 2 года назад +1

    Tucker why don’t u stream anymore

  • @seananthony7494
    @seananthony7494 2 года назад +1

    It was the fact that these divas can fuck over smaller franchises that makes me not want to watch the NBA… Honestly if it wasn’t for teams like the Bucks and Celtics I think the NBA would be unwatchable when it comes to a fans perspective (not a basketball perspective).

  • @Wallyworld30
    @Wallyworld30 2 года назад +8

    Then we have guys like Giannis Buck the trend and sign new Supermax with his small market team and win a chip after making such a bold move! Players like Bobby Portis taking LESS money to stay with Bucks too averaging a double double on $4mill/year!

    • @darmawan3029
      @darmawan3029 2 года назад +2

      and player will sign for less to play with these generational superstar, win a ring and get a bag somewhere else, and the cycle will continue, players will come and go and sign less for a chance to win a ring for 1-2 year, giannis will never have a true core around him, so its basically Giannis + khris + everyone who wants to win a ring

    • @crungefactory
      @crungefactory 2 года назад +1

      @@darmawan3029 except he has a true core around him right now

  • @trevorblanton6270
    @trevorblanton6270 2 года назад +5

    Hot Take: Jordan Poole will be better than Steph Curry in 2-3 seasons

    • @reimixo
      @reimixo 2 года назад

      Not a hot take... In 3y poole Will BE entering his prime and curry Will BE on the tail end of his...

    • @bpdmf2798
      @bpdmf2798 2 года назад

      @@reimixo i think he meant overall, not head to head. Of course Curry will be worse in 3 years, he'll probably be retired by then.

    • @reimixo
      @reimixo 2 года назад

      @@bpdmf2798 like poole vs curry in year 5?
      Curry Will not be retired in 3y... He can play 5 more...

    • @bpdmf2798
      @bpdmf2798 2 года назад

      @@reimixo whether or not Curry is retired in 3 years doesn't matter, the point stands.

    • @reimixo
      @reimixo 2 года назад

      @@bpdmf2798 i don't understand your Point anyway... But Will say that the better player in 3y Will BE poole, not a hot take... If it's year 5-6 vs year 5-6 it Will BE curry...poole wont BE shooting 44%3pt...

  • @sirbarles4808
    @sirbarles4808 2 года назад +4

    New era approaches. Superteams underperform (Lakers, Nets). We start seeing dominance of teams developped pateintly with home grown talents. Warriors, Celtics, Suns, Grizzlies, Wolves possibly. This is future of NBA. Superstars with 'gun for hire mentality' are just getting clowned now.

    • @darmawan3029
      @darmawan3029 2 года назад +1

      the teams you mentioned are superteams that are poorly built, if built right, superteams will still prevails, also grizz and wolves are team full of guys on rookie contract, take 2-3 years half of the guys will be gone and the cycle will continue

    • @sirbarles4808
      @sirbarles4808 2 года назад

      @@darmawan3029 I dont see candidates to build super teams among young players. Thats my point. It could works still, sure, but I Just dont think it will happen cause the there is no interest in doing it.

    • @dannydoesexist
      @dannydoesexist 2 года назад

      And the heat

  • @MrHuang-rh4bj
    @MrHuang-rh4bj 2 года назад

    The owner is going to hammer the NBPA on the next CBA using Ben Simmons as example

  • @paulcarter1197
    @paulcarter1197 2 года назад +4

    Everything has changed… except the Kings sucking 😭

    • @saiken811
      @saiken811 2 года назад

      As a Kings fan… ouch but I have to agree…

  • @ivaneurope
    @ivaneurope 2 года назад +12

    IMO a lockout is inevitable once the CBA expires - the player movement has gotten out of hand in the recent 5-7 seasons to the point that front offices have zero leverage. And you can be sure that the franchise governors would want to reassert control. On the other hand you have the NBPA which is going to be hell bent on maintining the status quo and their claim is going to be that "everyone can choose where to live and work". Considering how things between the owners and players in the MLB went, there's a chance that this will happen in the NBA. And a lockout is the last thing every party involved wants as this will wreck the league hard as no games = no revenue and no revenue = lower salary cap (IMO the salary cap should go down and the 2016 cap spike was a big mistake)

    • @SportingLogically
      @SportingLogically  2 года назад +2

      Idk about a lockout. But the next CBA will be very interesting

    • @xxjackirblackbloddxx7377
      @xxjackirblackbloddxx7377 2 года назад +2

      Well they arent paying themselves, u cant just choose to be om the lakers

    • @jstopgamingl1671
      @jstopgamingl1671 2 года назад +2

      @@xxjackirblackbloddxx7377 but if you are a star of high enough notoriety and you want to be on the lakers you can do things to force the organizations hand like refusing to play or threatening to retire or get surgery unless they trade you.

    • @xxjackirblackbloddxx7377
      @xxjackirblackbloddxx7377 2 года назад +2

      @@jstopgamingl1671 then you domt get paid, which is why ben simmons is not being paid

    • @jstopgamingl1671
      @jstopgamingl1671 2 года назад +2

      @@xxjackirblackbloddxx7377 we saw how well that worked and if you are a big enough star, like zion, the nba contract doesn't even matter cause these guys got all types of endorsements outside of their contract which could hold them over until they get traded

  • @jnmc2498
    @jnmc2498 2 года назад

    Give us your takes on the playoff. You can save these vids to the offseason.

    • @crungefactory
      @crungefactory 2 года назад

      Your mother taught you nothing, son

  • @nbapbaupdate8338
    @nbapbaupdate8338 2 года назад

    Jaylen Brown next video Sporting Logically 🙏🙏🙏

  • @bencrabtree5647
    @bencrabtree5647 2 года назад

    Did you not watch the podcast his step father was on ? How do you still think he doesn’t want to stay ?

    • @bencrabtree5647
      @bencrabtree5647 2 года назад +1

      Every single rumour that’s condo it about him being unhappy is just coming form biased media, how do you not realise that yet

  • @ajcornstar
    @ajcornstar 2 года назад

    Zion is building to be superstar and not yet a superstar just like Garnett did it after his prime years that is why it still keeps the balance in power and talent among teams that is why Lebron and KD Had too much hate compared to KG, Simmons and Zion williamson @Sporting Logically

  • @lilajayvevo6386
    @lilajayvevo6386 2 года назад +2

    Zion and donvan micthell really wanna play for the knicks 🤣🤣🤣

  • @purityisastateofmind7439
    @purityisastateofmind7439 2 года назад

    The Way things are looking we'll Fast forward 15 years and every small market team will have moved to California and New York to survive 🤣(😢)

  • @russellst.martin4255
    @russellst.martin4255 2 года назад

    Thank God for Giannis

  • @chuck2469
    @chuck2469 2 года назад

    KD made this video outdated

  • @Jordanedits-xp8ih
    @Jordanedits-xp8ih 2 года назад +2

    Hello

  • @cappy2282
    @cappy2282 2 года назад +2

    Durant blew that 3-1 lead on purpose because he knew he couldn't leave if they made it back to Finals.
    Players just make so much money these days that they're willing to take hit in pay to join up.
    (it's at the point where super teams can start a season with 1-2 or 1-4 chance of getting to finals and winning it all)

  • @garretty3802
    @garretty3802 2 года назад

    Could Ben Simmons fit with Damian Lillard? 🔮

    • @bpdmf2798
      @bpdmf2798 2 года назад +1

      Would he play?

  • @ridgeking1175
    @ridgeking1175 2 года назад +1

    The craziest storyline from this season is how much more KDs first round exit is demolitioning his legacy than Lebron missing the playoffs

    • @StevenEatsAlone
      @StevenEatsAlone 2 года назад

      KD traded his legacy for some cheap rings. One of the best to ever play but decided to make himself the most unlikable guy in the league

  • @richsing4165
    @richsing4165 2 года назад +2

    In the next CBA the players will get hammered and it might get ugly the owners are gonna protect themselves with shorter contracts and more of an NFL style

    • @StevenEatsAlone
      @StevenEatsAlone 2 года назад

      Owners don’t want shorter deals. Small market teams want to keep their star on the team as long as possible before he leaves to go team up with other stars

    • @richsing4165
      @richsing4165 2 года назад

      @@StevenEatsAlone Thats true but owners are getting stuck with bad long term deals they are gonna do a franchise tag situation like the nfl

    • @bpdmf2798
      @bpdmf2798 2 года назад

      One fix i see it's to make the super part of the supermax not count against the cap, just have the cap hit be equal to what any other team can offer. Getting a star rookie and then paying him damn near half the salary cap to stay after 8 years kneecaps teams building winners around them and so they will want out.

  • @bitcoinethereum9702
    @bitcoinethereum9702 2 года назад +4

    IMO KD went to GOLDEN STATE BECAUSE IF HE DIDN'T LEBRON WOULD HAVE DONE SO

    • @bpdmf2798
      @bpdmf2798 2 года назад +1

      LeBron was under contract.

  • @basvanlangerak8423
    @basvanlangerak8423 2 года назад +1

    1000th like, nice

  • @grannydeez13
    @grannydeez13 2 года назад

    Bad for the league

  • @shaunsmith5635
    @shaunsmith5635 2 года назад

    The next bargaining agreement will destroy all of this behavior. This time the owners will burn it up. I also feel this time around that there's players who want to do away with the old guard and their BS tactics that's only been beneficial to that guard. This season and these playoffs are showing this as well. The league landscape will change once we're rid of certain players. I see it happening.

  • @ARealPerson21
    @ARealPerson21 2 года назад +1

    If I’m the Pelicans I’m trading Zion this off-season let someone else pay that max contract because everyone is just assuming he just doesn’t wanna be there so if he really is hurt you can still get high value for him

    • @dustinsindledecker154
      @dustinsindledecker154 2 года назад +1

      Frankly Zion is not worth max money because he gets hurt too much, be a very risky bet.

    • @ARealPerson21
      @ARealPerson21 2 года назад +1

      @@dustinsindledecker154 I have no clue how to value him because idk how his body feels and if his head is right but at this point to me this chance to get hurt is high so I’d just trade him while you can get more then you would if he gets hurt again

    • @bpdmf2798
      @bpdmf2798 2 года назад

      Who is reading anything more than a couple late firsts and some mediocre nobody? Ain't nobody trading a Jaylen Brown or a Donovan Mitchell for him just to have him play like 14 games. The Pelicans have a better chance of they just ride it out.

    • @ARealPerson21
      @ARealPerson21 2 года назад

      @@bpdmf2798 I’m not saying they can get a top 15 player or anything I just think his injury risk is too high so trade him now while his value is at its potential highest

    • @bpdmf2798
      @bpdmf2798 2 года назад

      @@ARealPerson21 His value is at its lowest. If comes back and plays any games next season his value would skyrocket.

  • @byrnenoel6317
    @byrnenoel6317 2 года назад

    1. I don't think that what Zion is doing is giving him too much power. I don't like the method of players forcing their way out, but I do think that it comes back to get them later on. 2. I don't think what's happening is good or bad for the league. I have to question whether players should be drafted to teams they don't even want to go to in the first place/or non-preferred destinations. 3. I don't think the league is ready yet to do anything about this yet until it becomes a trend. Then, maybe they will allow players to be recruited by teams and come to a mutual agreement between player and franchise.

  • @gnbfasho
    @gnbfasho 2 года назад

    E

  • @dzjacels336
    @dzjacels336 2 года назад

    if players can get those huge contracts even if " undeserved " i say good for them. About players wanting to change teams, as far as i know they are not slaves and should have freedom of movement, lets be honest fans don't care about who is playing, they love the team.

    • @bpdmf2798
      @bpdmf2798 2 года назад

      Being a slave has nothing to do with it. They signed contracts. In the real world companies have contacts where if you quit you can't work in the same industry for X amount of years. The NBA used to have players choosing where they wanted to go and it sucked with no competition and the Celtics won every title for like 2 decades.

  • @skynyrdjesus
    @skynyrdjesus 2 года назад

    It will never not be weird to me how anti labor the NBA Fandom is. Athletes are people. If your hangup is them choosing where they want to live and work, just bite your tongue.

  • @Troubleman313
    @Troubleman313 2 года назад +1

    So ROTY is no longer about best rookie, it's about best rookie on most successful team that year.

    • @chefcurryj8469
      @chefcurryj8469 2 года назад +8

      No Scottie Barnes made his team better

    • @BeginnerHoops
      @BeginnerHoops 2 года назад +5

      Cade cunningham: -0.5 win shares, jalen green: 0.7 ws, evan mobley: 5.3 ws, scottie barnes: 6.6 ws

    • @bpdmf2798
      @bpdmf2798 2 года назад

      @@BeginnerHoops do you not have to win to get win shares?

  • @walterdbrown
    @walterdbrown 2 года назад +2

    I hope Zion kills it next season, he plays at least 62-65 games, then signs a one year deal and if healthy, signs wherever he wants.