Same question as Luke, how do you compare them with the M20 that you use everyday? you talked very briefly during the video that the 2 speakers are very close, can you give more details, i am really hesitating between the 2, and what matters for me is the sound quality, not the app or the connections. I was about to order the M20 but now i really hesitate between the 2. Thank you.
@@nygeek6471 1. you can use the remote 2. you can use the app on the phone but they connect with WiFi and not bluetooth 3. you can connect them to your phone via bluetooth but that does not control the master volume but simply your phone volume 4. i didnt try usb on pc since i plugged them in via hdmi but you can NOT change master volume via pc, only the pc volume. the only way to change master volume is via the phone app or remote
Hi, could I have your thoughts on the LSX II v. M20 from a pure music sound quality standpoint (dynamics, soundstage, bass extension...)? They would be to use in 2.0 config wired optically to TV in a 30m2 living room with listening distance of 2 to 4.5m, and due to neighbours I'd prefer not to get a sub. Looking to upgrade from a pair of Q Acoustics BT3
Genuine question from the Uk . I have been watching every RUclips video under the sun 😂 Question ….money not in question , which would you choose . I want speakers mainly for music , streaming and turntable later KEF LSX 2 or Triangle AIO Are the KEFs that much better ?? Please help
In short, these are better than the SONOS range, but SONOS are cheaper and pretty much a stand alone product. If you want a stereo pair, then buy the Kefs they’re designed to work as such. Original App is fine, it does everything I need… I use my phone to source the music software I need, namely Spotify & Smooth radio AND includes EQ settings as well… You just need to know how to use the App, simple!!
The soundstage on the kefs are nice. However, the better all in one options are a pair of Sonos fives. You don’t need a sub with two fives. I tried both. I would have kept the kefs had the low end been richer, for the price point
Questions that linger............................................................ 1. During streaming, any Digital/Analog Converter in the signal stream may change the sonic characteristics of the music. Right? In my case and in many others', I also have an Analog/Digital Converter (modem) in my signal stream. Why aren't sonics altered in that device too? Or why isn't it being acknowledged? 2. Why are there so many of the very expensive, audiophile RCA patch cords and almost none of the XLR patch cords (cables)? 3. Why aren't loudspeaker crossovers rated for efficiency? Amp watts "in" pre-crossover vs. Amp watts out post crossover all drivers summed. This seems like an important specification. I want to know how many of my carefully cultivated watts are being dumped as heat. 🔊
1. Anytime there’s D/A or A/D conversion there’s potential signal variation. It’s hard to determine how much sound can be effected without swapping around equipment. 2. Good point. XLR has built-in advantages by its design. Use XLR when you can. 3. The efficiency of the overall speaker tells some of the story. It’s the designers choice how much signal gets to each driver.
@@ecoustics Thank-you for your efforts writing back. 1. DAC reviews occur ad nauseam without recognition of the A/D just prior to it. A/D's can pass significant potential signal variation to any DAC, regardless of price or over-sampling modes. The audio conversion function is in tandem and both units used in "synergy" should be mentioned in the DAC review. Motorola's new A/D uses no TosLink or "optical" connection, but instead uses the glass fiber connection, (available now) facilitating over 1Gig speeds. Even a $10,000 DAC's today can't process those speeds or even has a FutureFi glass port and is therefore a waste of money. Instead, buy a $300 DAC every other year to keep up. 2. Every audio component sold requires a patch cord (cable) except wireless, which I don't consider a reliable connection. When a $25 XLR outperforms a $600 RCA patch cord, it's worth emphasizing that a component utilizing XLR is far more affordable. For example, take two popular power amplifiers. $499 Emotiva BasX Type A/B 200Wpc into 8 vs $329 Crown XLi800 Type A/B 200Wpc into 8. I'll take the Crown all day because it has XLR connection. 3. "It’s the designers choice how much signal gets to each driver." is my point exactly. I find a speakers' efficiency rating more indicative of a designers' driver choice than crossover design. Speaker designers often think our meticulously chosen watts are dispensable as heat, so as to obtain a "sound" or flat response. That choice can only be apparent with a crossover efficiency rating. 🔊
Same question as Luke, how do you compare them with the M20 that you use everyday? you talked very briefly during the video that the 2 speakers are very close, can you give more details, i am really hesitating between the 2, and what matters for me is the sound quality, not the app or the connections. I was about to order the M20 but now i really hesitate between the 2. Thank you.
had these for a year and they are amazing speakers, incredible sound and super compact. Just buy cheaper generic stands all good.
Can you control their master volume via Bluetooth and/or USB C from a computer or do you need to use the remote
@@nygeek6471 1. you can use the remote
2. you can use the app on the phone but they connect with WiFi and not bluetooth
3. you can connect them to your phone via bluetooth but that does not control the master volume but simply your phone volume
4. i didnt try usb on pc since i plugged them in via hdmi but you can NOT change master volume via pc, only the pc volume.
the only way to change master volume is via the phone app or remote
Hi, could I have your thoughts on the LSX II v. M20 from a pure music sound quality standpoint (dynamics, soundstage, bass extension...)? They would be to use in 2.0 config wired optically to TV in a 30m2 living room with listening distance of 2 to 4.5m, and due to neighbours I'd prefer not to get a sub. Looking to upgrade from a pair of Q Acoustics BT3
Can you control their master volume via Bluetooth and/or USB C from a computer or do you need to use the remote
Genuine question from the Uk . I have been watching every RUclips video under the sun 😂
Question ….money not in question , which would you choose . I want speakers mainly for music , streaming and turntable later
KEF LSX 2 or Triangle AIO
Are the KEFs that much better ??
Please help
Our latest podcast has more thoughts on the best new models including LSX2. www.ecoustics.com/podcasts/best-wireless-speakers-2024/
I’m wondering how Amazon HD through airplay would sound?
I have this speaker and marched with REL Tzero MK III which is cheaper than KEF sub. I’m very satisfied.
Great to know. Thanks!
Which Sonos are you comparing with KEF lsx?
Sonos play 5 if you buy a pair at £500 each
There doesn't have to be a cable between the two speakers - key detail missed guys.
yes deceptive marketing
well actually if you dont use a cable you get 284 bit instead of 320 so YES you should use a cable
It would be interesting to see those compared to Sonos equivalent such as the Era 300. They are not that far in price anymore.
Annoyingly it's impossible to find a comparison...
In short, these are better than the SONOS range, but SONOS are cheaper and pretty much a stand alone product. If you want a stereo pair, then buy the Kefs they’re designed to work as such. Original App is fine, it does everything I need… I use my phone to source the music software I need, namely Spotify & Smooth radio AND includes EQ settings as well…
You just need to know how to use the App, simple!!
The soundstage on the kefs are nice. However, the better all in one options are a pair of Sonos fives. You don’t need a sub with two fives. I tried both. I would have kept the kefs had the low end been richer, for the price point
How do they compare with the original Apple HomePods when paired?
By “compare” I think you mean sound quality. If so, the KEF’s are way better than the original HomePod. They should be for nearly 5 times the price.
You have blue or yellow walls and the Conran actually perfectly compliments that
misleading that a turntable is sitting between the speakers with no analog inputs
3.5mm Jack is analogue.
that kef wireless sub is more than the speaker set itself
Pretty much all the price information was wrong. Impressive!
MSRP is $1,399 at Amazon. amzn.to/460wsrm
Although we have seen certain LSX II colors go on sale for as low as $999.
Questions that linger............................................................
1. During streaming, any Digital/Analog Converter in the signal stream may change the sonic characteristics of the music. Right? In my case and in many others', I also have an Analog/Digital Converter (modem) in my signal stream. Why aren't sonics altered in that device too? Or why isn't it being acknowledged?
2. Why are there so many of the very expensive, audiophile RCA patch cords and almost none of the XLR patch cords (cables)?
3. Why aren't loudspeaker crossovers rated for efficiency? Amp watts "in" pre-crossover vs. Amp watts out post crossover all drivers summed. This seems like an important specification. I want to know how many of my carefully cultivated watts are being dumped as heat. 🔊
1. Anytime there’s D/A or A/D conversion there’s potential signal variation. It’s hard to determine how much sound can be effected without swapping around equipment.
2. Good point. XLR has built-in advantages by its design. Use XLR when you can.
3. The efficiency of the overall speaker tells some of the story. It’s the designers choice how much signal gets to each driver.
@@ecoustics Thank-you for your efforts writing back.
1. DAC reviews occur ad nauseam without recognition of the A/D just prior to it. A/D's can pass significant potential signal variation to any DAC, regardless of price or over-sampling modes. The audio conversion function is in tandem and both units used in "synergy" should be mentioned in the DAC review.
Motorola's new A/D uses no TosLink or "optical" connection, but instead uses the glass fiber connection, (available now) facilitating over 1Gig speeds. Even a $10,000 DAC's today can't process those speeds or even has a FutureFi glass port and is therefore a waste of money. Instead, buy a $300 DAC every other year to keep up.
2. Every audio component sold requires a patch cord (cable) except wireless, which I don't consider a reliable connection. When a $25 XLR outperforms a $600 RCA patch cord, it's worth emphasizing that a component utilizing XLR is far more affordable.
For example, take two popular power amplifiers. $499 Emotiva BasX Type A/B 200Wpc into 8 vs $329 Crown XLi800 Type A/B 200Wpc into 8.
I'll take the Crown all day because it has XLR connection.
3. "It’s the designers choice how much signal gets to each driver." is my point exactly. I find a speakers' efficiency rating more indicative of a designers' driver choice than crossover design. Speaker designers often think our meticulously chosen watts are dispensable as heat, so as to obtain a "sound" or flat response. That choice can only be apparent with a crossover efficiency rating. 🔊
Why did Brian start laughing when Ian started talking about not saying the "Master/Slave" terminology anymore??
First!🔊🔊👍😎
7:59....we're not allowed to use the master & slave terminology but I just have regardless......
Can you control their master volume via Bluetooth and/or USB C from a computer or do you need to use the remote
Why did Brian start laughing when Ian started talking about not saying the "Master/Slave" terminology anymore??