Nah behold the missler you can manually operate it and it’s better then rocket teer and morter. With a price range of only 100k and it also has electro sizer range.
Gatling gun before it got nerfed was so good but now it’s literaly 10 times more garbager than how it used to be even the pursuits are freaking better than the Gatling gun which is like freaking crazy even the pursuits won and the Gatling gun lost to fallen king so literaly I don’t even think people are even using gat gun anymore I think they are just average players using brawler DJ booth commander or even accelerator gat gun lost its ability to save the world the power of gat gun just just… ended for only a couple of days☹️☹️😭😭
It was a really bad move to bring the long awaited rework with a heavy nerf of one the most unique and engaging towers on the same day. They could've made the nerf like 3 days later after the rework show settled down.
Listen tds.. this tower was op because it requires 35k AND to be level 175, the whole point was to reward high level players with the best dps tower in the game, for a big cost. I know it needed a nerf but almost half the dps?? No. Bad move. It went from the best dps tower to “another dps tower” this was too much of a nerf and most players wont even bother getting it anymore because of the expensive price. Personally, I was really looking forward to get this tower as a level 165 player because it looks like a lot of fun to use but now I’m not even going to buy it.
Yeah I just reached level 175, and I need like 22k more coins like I don’t even feel like grinding for it when it isn’t really worth my time. I also just like he said don’t want to play tds to go into a first person shooter, what I need to grind for is engineer as that is actually with my time.
dude i was at lvl 155 when i started to grind. wanted it soooo bad and grinded even with school n stuff. today i bought it and i love the fps mode. but they KILLED it.
Remember this tower cost 35K coins to unlock, you need be a late game player, expensive placement cost and it has to be manually operated. Now this tower lost its value, No one should use this tower. It's not even fun to use given you need to reload a lot more now.
Tbh, they should've made the non fps mode better thanks to the damage nerf, and shouldn't of increased it's price since they already made the damage worse, I could be wrong though, I never really used Gatling Gun even though I have it, I just found it to be kinda annoying to have to constantly control it and find good placements for it, but it should be strong, It's like the most endgame tower you can buy, along with it's insane pricetag, high level requirement, and not to mention the placement limit one one... The nerf was kinda understandable, but they shouldn't of made it ALL negatives, there should've been some decent positives too, like a "re-balance" that's still a nerf, but not just a nerf For example they could've done something like: 1) Added a single level of pierce for the non fps mode 2) Increase the angles for the non fps mode, instead of decreasing them- 3) Adding a Heat Vision mode, to fix the issue with maps with lots of walls making it hard to see enemies I don't think people would've complained as much if they improved it in other areas, for the dmg nerf, assuming these were added the increased price would also make more sense.
0:37 I use your code "E" and now I'm homeless and living in a box my wife took the kids and now they don't talk to me and I'm banned from thanksgiving dinner
I get this tower was overpowered but to get it the player would already be in very late game, where they want a fun tower, I know it was kinda stupid but I don’t think they should have nerfed it this hard or even at all.
So in a nutshell, Gatling went from S++ Tier against hordes of enemies to S Tier. Against single target, it went from S Tier to B-. IMO not worth wasting one slot on.
Personally, when I had the option to buy Gatling or save up like 5000 coins for my third gold crate, I chose the gold crate, because I probably couldn't handle managing the first person mode and placing other towers to help, and so now that it's nerfed, I probably wont' even bother getting it tbh, even though I probably wouldn't have used it often when it was overpowered anyways
... What in the actual hell do you mean you could "buy Gatling or save 5k more for Gold crate"? Gatling is 35k and Golden Crate is 50k, that's a 15k difference
Gatling gun on cliffs shouldn’t even be a thing tbh. They should also make the Gatling stunable too, with or without the player. I’m glad that I don’t use Gatling gun that much in the first place (I have it, but it’s way too expensive to have like xwm from tdx) the only good thing that Gatling has now is the pierce damage and flying detection which they shouldn’t even have Gatling flying detection if your not in first person. I thought golden soldier was overrated (before fallen rework) but Gatling gun is stupidly overrated. The only thing they need to buff is the later upgrades because it becomes a really good sub-dps to a less reliable dps
I find it dumb how they severely decreased the DPS and it costs more to upgrade. Not to mention the amount of coins you need and need to be a really high level, I find this nerf honestly stupid. Oh my gosh calm down the nerf was necessary but the amount of dps they removed does not make it worth the price.
@@Athant0s but they definitely wont remove gatling because of how much effort they spent on it and since it costed robux for people who decided to get it that way, they will not be able to refund it, even worse in trying to compensate it since it costs 2.5k robux.
Know what, let me just say it. The TDS community is screwed. Almost everyone gives destructive criticism and behaves like a moron on top of harassing the devs constantly, making them less likely to respect feedback by the community, which in turn worsens the games quality. We can only fix this problem, if we all collectively stopped behaving like idiots and actually help make the game a better place. You can't keep saying it's the devs fault because really it's not. Balancing is a pain (speaking from experience) and these changed need to be careful or else they are bad, but the community makes it harder to fix the problem since of their behavior. Paradoxum isn't the problem anymore, it's the community.
False claims, there are multiple official balancers and testers who have been grabbed from the streets and told "test our game or just lie and say you did".
@@englishdeafboy Its still not easy to balance things with multiple people, since TDS is a really layered game, making the impact harder to predict, also playtesting takes a long time, since every change needs a stat change which takes hours, also all these balancers don't work on one thing, but each on diffrent things. A lot more balancers would focus on sth like Pursuit, PVP and Molten Rework and put tower changes to the side. (Pursuit is pretty balanced) And again, the communities toxic nature makes it less likely to make changes. They had to buff towers like Engineer who didn't need a buff and undo nerfs like commander since of the backlash. Fortunatly, the game gets more balanced and im happy for it. We can however make improvements for the game quicker if we help them and be more tollerant to changes. I get why you are upset since the game is still messy, but they are going the right way. Making a game is VERY difficult, I'm speaking from experience, and balancing is one of the reasons why. In fact, I give you a test. Balance Gatling Gun. Everyone can complain, but not everyone can constructively criticise.
This is a horrible nerf, whether you agree or not. The nerfs are so generic the upgrade costs being increased was pretty obvious and it makes sense but this tower now literally does like 100 more dps than turret while costing 200k. They should've really nerfed the stun immunity and pierce like my idea was if you placed gatling at cliffs he would be stun immune and if you placed him in the ground he would be able to use his infinite pierce.
@@RetroGDGamer Issues: outrageous pricing, only 1 tower can be placed per person and that requires a horde to even reach said dps which can also be done by a lvl 75 tower (so crazy right??)
@@lily_ofthedark issues: crying over their savior being nerfed, only 1 tower being actually really good because its compressed dps, relies on the player which is awesome, and lvl 75 tower doesn't have full map range, any targeting you want, and hidden detection.
@@jadennguyen2852 even crazier thing: im a mortar enjoyer, and if you are good enough at macroing it which is not that much effort you can somewhat makes it mimic gatling, which works with most towers too!!
I agree with elite This tower should not exist to begin with, it's literally the definition of too op and it does not even work like a tower, it's legit fps High level players should rewarded, but not to this extent I'd protest even if they added a normal tower that was this op, but if they really want such op towers then they should increase the overall scaling of the game and add bosses with 2m+ hp
if you think about it, it really wasn’t that overpowered before. you pay THIRTY FIVE THOUSAND COINS FOR IT, and you can only place one tower. I don’t get the reasoning behind why it absolutely needed a nerf.
it was overpowered just because it cost 35k and you need to be lv 175 does not mean you can make it the most op tower in the game. the nerf was needed but it was to much. oh yea don't use how much you need to get it for balancing that much. that like clash royal making legendary cards op
@@mortar9954 3 turrets and 8 accels really still top it but now the gatling gun isnt even worth like 10k+ anymore level 175 +Endgame players cmon bruh its unique tower but now its just a crook boss victim in dps
The reason why enemies were getting stuck on the bridge is the same reason as the old Autumn Falling bug. The bridge is modeled with the path, not separated from it. If the weld between the ground and the bridge is made incorrectly, fast enemies can get stuck on the edge of 2 welds.
Commando still cries in the corner from how he can’t even compete against a minigunner. His mediocrity is on par with golden soldier. His missiles are the equivalent of the missile strike ability and even then the consumable is cheaper than the missiles and only can be placed 5 times.!! 5!!! Even a pursuit has better dps and simply does the whole “Single + Splash” damage topic Way better.
@@Saaaaaans Jester didn't lose half of its dps, confusion bombs are still good against most of enemies, it's just that they can't confuse bosses anymore
gotta love when the tower requiring lvl 175 and 35k coins ontop of that which is SUPPOSED to be the strongest, most versatile and strategic tower in the game gets nerfed. because they either wanted to bring pursuit to the spotlight and get more ppl using it (which worked, but more are mad at the nerf) or just because its "too good" which was just about the entire purpose of it.
i see this game as just bloons but in roblox, so gatling should be made with the bloons gatling in mind, you set points for it to look at, it shoots down those, and you can place multiple, either to all look down one straight way or to cover multiple straights at once
@@okgoose3305 maybe with a bit of tds flair but yeah something pretty similar, the whole "only one tower of it with crazy numbers" isnt rly something i fw
@@Coocoocrazy3 unique but makes it so the turret kinda has to have crazy stats. i think of they tweaked its stats to be a little lower, got rid of fps, and made it so you can place or 3 its be lit
A nerf was needed but it was a little too harsh. As the best tower in the game with its 35k expense, it should be better than most towers. But knocking it down so much to being a mediocre sub-dps tower wasn’t the way to go Like the tower shouldn’t be too op to literally solo bosses, but it’s wrong to make the “best” tower to be just as good as accel. Should’ve balanced it better, not sure how though🤷
They could’ve made gatling not have first person and instead have you use an ability to make it turn, raised the costs to 175K, and removed all the pierce and stun immunity
Your right especially the way your required to be 175 which can take alot of time to get too considering most people dont have that amount of time on hand
17:18 Ppl who complain about gatling nerf are quite right imo You just dont see the main issues with this Starting with most obvious the tower itself Devs were aware when adding it that its going to be most expensive most powerful most grindy tower to get basically endgame must pick for every high level player So with that knowledge they add that thing to the game And i agree the gatling was unbalanced but now pursuit is unbalanced because it does litteraly the same thing that gatling did before Solo carry ✅ Whole map range ✅ Insane dps ✅ Aoe ✅ Targetable at your own will ✅ (if youre good enough to micro) Lets talk about some problems that should never apear in the first place 1 tower is too strong It was way to strong at release and it deserved a nerf but now its a part where everything goes downhill 2 Not acting instantly If it was so op that it needed a nerf why didnt they nerf it instantly? Not every player is lvl 400 and has 200k spare coins If someone bought gatling instead of golden crate can now feel quite litteraly scammed not even starting with players who bought it with robux 3 The nerf is too big Like 40% dps nerf just like that? And a cost increase... Thats just stupid they made the tower pretty much worthless bc you can get better value out of 3 turrets If the tower was ment to be a goal and so grindy then dont just reduce it to lvl 50 tower thats free like thats just downright stupid 4 Cycle repeats With pursuit rework it now serves as a new gatling and it will get nerfed aswell when enough ppl grind their ass out to get it or spend their rb to buy it. Really bad game design imo But i also have to point out one thing that you said correctly. People who complain that this tower got nerfed just bc they cant spawnkill all modes anymore are clowns. Thats not hiw this game was ment to be. And if you cant beat fallen mode just bc ur precious gatling got 40% dps nerf cry about it u just suck at the game. (unless ur a player like ones that i mentioned before aka. bought gatling instead of g crate and now cries in corner then i feel bad for you) But every player will agree about this. Gatling was fun. Posibilities that it added and pure fun of beating bosses like its nothing were just very enjoyable so if you say gatling should never be added in the first place imagine how much fun you wouldve missed. Alr im done writing an essay for now if anyone even read it to the end lmao.
The funniest thing is that in this update they killed the tower that made solo hc much easier. But also made the pursuit so op solo hc is possible for baissicly anyone
honestly, a better nerf woulda been pierce falloff or removing pierce altogether instead of gutting the dps the gatling's main purpose (single targets) was pretty much fucked over because of this nerf a nerf was needed of course but they could've handled it a lot better
To be honest if this means it's allowed to be used in events now it's actually gonna still be extremely good due to the nature of event economy encouraging dumping on one dps and most tracks are extremely good for pierce towers. Most of the nerfs are really just centered around non fps mode too.
And then, Gatling got buffed.. Lvl 2 Cost: 8250 to 7250 Lvl 6 Cost: 115000 to 100000 Lvl 3 Cooldown: 0.13 to 0.12 Lvl 3 Damage: 14 to 15 Lvl 4 Damage: 20 to 25 Lvl 5 Damage: 38 to 45 Lvl 6 Damage: 65 to 75 This might not be that big of a buff compared to the Gatling before the nerf (about 800 dps) Gatling gunner now has about 600 dps, which makes it worthful to grind for again.
Elite it wasn't electroshocker, that bugged the enemies it was just a bug...this bug makes enemies stuck in one place and secretly, go to your base Elite if you see it then please report it to the TDS devs because this bug is so annoying it makes me lose almost every game.
Gatling getting nerfed was a canon event. A 1000 dps tower was way too good to be true, so a nerf had to happen. I think that this big of a nerf was a little overkill, but you have to admit it makes sense. We got high off of an overpowered tower that killed everything so easily that, when it was taken away all of a sudden, the community crashes out. We wouldn’t really be complaining about its dps as of now if it started off this way. Please buff just a little, devs.
I'm sorry, but 1000 dps is NOT a lot for a late game dps tower. Remember, you can only place one gatling, while you can place multiple of everything else. You can get anywhere from 1200 with turret to 6000 with REGULAR minigunner. The only thing that made gatling gunner strong was it's piercing, which should have been nerfed instrsd and the only thing the devs touched, and infinite range, both of which require constant management of the tower and without which it was basically worse ranger. Not to mention, it not only had the highest level requirement of any tower in the game, but also the highest coin cost of any tower in the game, a price only dwarfed by the Cosy of a golden crate (and even then, gatling was 70% of the cost of a g crate anyways). Now, it has less single target dps than 2 turrets and it's piercing does not make up for it. Hell, literally everything gatling gunner can do is done better by pursuit now, which is less than half the coin cost and 75 levels less to obtain.
@@dansmith6300ok, but consider that since the gatling only uses up 1 tower space (in terms of the placement limit), it allows you to make more room to place more of the towers that you mentioned. also, stun immunity.
Only removing like 150-200 dps would’ve been better imo, enough to still have a significant impact but still needs support from other towers, as every tower should
Commando technically got the biggest nerf in tds history as in the mega update during 2019 it lost most of its good capabilities like for example in pre mega it had 124 dps and it had around 40 - 50 dps from what i remeber
@@discotech6178commando was the best tower back then but was completely destroyed during it's nerf which genuinely made the tower useless at least the tower you mentioned have SOME use
funny how as end game players with everything, this seemed like new fun for veterans and new high lvl players like me who just got to the lvl req and was grinding for 35k, now after this, tdx is looking quite a bit interesting lately, and the event
It would be better if gatling came out like this as everyone would say its a cool and unique tower that isn't to powerful, but man seeing such a big decrease in dps just hurts
17:20 he has a good point though, before the nerf people relied on the gatling gun so much so that when it got reworked, everyone had to start strategizing and thinking more into their loadouts. TDS is a game about strategy and when you have an OP tower like gatling, it takes that aspect out of the game.
This is not even a good point. Let's say turret for example, thinking have double the amount of damage Turret can be unlocked at level 50 and is free. You have to get to level 175 and pay 35k coins to get this Tower. And I don't know what world you're living in that people rely to heavily on this Tower Because you never see this thing, trio fallen or even quad fallen. You never see it anywhere else other than polluted wasteland and that's about it
I like how this single thing overshadowed commando finally getting hidden detection and a overall buff and pursuit getting reworked and becoming one of the best dps towers in the game
This big of a nerf!? the solo target is horrible! you forcefully need now another dps if you want to beat any heavy boss? i mean why not making it double path like pursuit? like top path has higher dps but no spread and the other has i dont know explosive penetrating ammo and less dps more crowd control.
This is why people should not complain complain about things being too overpowered because the devs would probably make it one of the worst advanced DPS towers
They have every reason to nerf it since yes, it costs 35k and has a level requirement of 175, but it should in no right, be able to cheese everything and allow you to turn your brain off. This reninds me of when accel was the dominant dps tower back in 2021-2023.
Yeah I kind of agree, maybe the nerf was a little bit too much, but it was well deserved. Maybe they could just nerf its early game and increase prices for all levels. But now that the nerf is here, you have to use other towers instead of looking at an enemy while holding the fire button. It’s still reliable, but finally it got nerfed. And I also hope we don’t get Gatling gunner Stan’s like how we had Accelerator Stan’s, both towers are no longer dominant in the meta. Even tho accelerator got buffed a lot, when compared to when it use to rule T.D.S, its stats increased (especially damage) a lot. But now you can actually use other towers, (back then only like four towers were even useable because they others were so bad) in fact, I’m sure it was only king because it was one of the only usable DPS towers back then. (This is just my opinion, if you disagree with it then dislike this comment and move on)
It did deserve a nerf but this absolutely destroyed it, the nerf gave gatling no redeeming qualities like if the dps is going to get nerfed BY 35% at least nerf the price NOT INCREASE IT
300 DPS wiped off of gatling gun is A LOT like atleast only 200 DPS wiped off of the gatling gun i do feel bad for the tower yet it is still good but just unable to solo hardcore anymore wich does makes sense i guess there is a reason to nerf this tower a lot
THEY HAVE TO BUFF MAX TO 100 AT MINIMUM. Gatling was made to be a treat for the higher level players, for the BEST dps tower in the game. Now it’s mid. If they’re not gonna buff it’s dps, they have to buff its range, pierce and price.
RIP this tower they really fucked up asking for nerf is like the worst idea anyone could do in this game because of the fact that it can’t even do as much DPS as single target damage by the way compared to Pierce damage turrent
very dumb nerf removing 300 dps from a tower and making it more costly to upgrade is ridiculous I agree that a tower that can solo fallen is out of hand, but the purpose of the tower was to provide heavy supporting fire while it still can do that, considering the requirements for unlocking it, it shouldn't have that heavy a nerf
Everyone can say its a dumb nerf. But no one can say WHY its a bad nerf and HOW we could balance the tower. Stop complaining and actually help make the game better by giving constructive criticism.
@Hyperlaser_Merc 1. I don't think anyone on the dev team will notice, much less care, about my feedback, considering I have no affiliation with them whatsoever. 2. I explained why it was a bad nerf, evidently you weren't looking fully at the comment. 3. Balancing? Simple. Lessen the severity of the nerf. There isn't a need to provide any numbers, as literally anybody could think of them.
Personally I didn't use gatling as much, but it definitively deserved the nerf, every single game was, 1. farm 2. place gatling 3. win, it became so dull that you could use a single tower and win every game without strategy
Lol I didn't use Gatling too much either since I wanted to use other towers and it was a hassle to do fps mode to reline up the Gatling gun back to its original place and do think it deserves the rebalance/nerf
Tell us you're retarded without telling us. You're just another developer bootlicker. Now it aint worth shit because the devs dont know what the fuck they're doing in balance. Fuck them and their families.
They should re add at least 100+ dps on the max level and make it slightly more expensive, or bring back the old gatling but make it 2-3x more expensive. Gatling should only be used in extremely hard modes like events instead of a regular mode like fallen by making it expensive it ensuring people not to main it in an extremely easy gamemode
That's especially funny that you mention it should be used in events considering that Gatling got literally denied out of Hexscape Night 3 AND the Pls Donate event
At first I thought it was a dumb nerf until he started talking about how it could solo hardcore, honestly I didn't even know that gattling was that op and just thought it was just another high level tower that is strong but not nearly as op as say like an engineer.
@@jadennguyen2852 just untrue?1st of all 3 gold towers are better than Gatling currently those 3 are g crookboss g pyro and g cowboy G crookboss is great for early mid and late game has hidden and flying detection with 100 DPS goons and the actual tower having 200 DPS While g pyro even after the pierce nerf makes early game hc a joke While g cowboy is just op for money making on soloes
@ gcb relies on units, without them it’s a pile of mid. g pyro is literally outclassed by electro lmao. g cowboy is just mid, only useful in legacy modes and even then, better to use other stuff.
@ it is, electro performs better than g pyro, every good tower makes fallen a joke, gcb RELIES on units, im did not say whatever the hell u were thinking buddy. once those units die the tower is straight up useless
Fianlly! Someone who understands on how to use gattling gun, every single person was aaying it got worse than engineers and TURRETS. And while yes I agree the nerf on max level was rather rough, I think right now it's at perfect place, people have to understand that gattling gun was designed to be used with it's pierce, not like a turret v2. Also to clarify, I main gatling gun as my main source of dps all the time, so I'm not some hater that wanted it to get nerfed. Also having fps tower does give some skill ceiling to hkw you control the gattling gun now.
@surbaniathra it's as usable as it was, you simply need to utilize fps more, it's single target dps was decreased hard I agree. But now it's not as braindead as it was, so now you actually need to think how you're using the tower instead of just placing it and getting a free win. THE GAME CALLED TOWER DEFENSE FOR LORD'S SAKE NOT TOWER SHOOTER. The solution to Gattling gun's nerf is as simple. *GET GUD*
@@SiriusFrostalite I don’t have it But the nerf was too over I know the nerf was needed but now you WILL NOT USE IT What is the point of a tower you need to control and have your brain do something rather than watching If they just nerfed the price it would be understandable but now you don’t need to use it I T S U S E L L E S Now it’s more like those towers that you use them when your bored aka more like most of the event towers
@surbaniathra wrong, I still use gattling gun, and it performs just as before, just having some difficulties with single target that my sub-dps towers cover. And if you want to watch instead of controlling a tower, go play something fitting your age of 7-9 years old with lots of ADHD inducing stimulations. It's not close to being useless (and not uselles as you wrote) all you have to do is just place it the way it can pierce through enemies. Again I repeat, if you want to use Gattling gun, GET GOOD TRASH.
Gatling is pretty much just a slightly better turret while yes its still a good dps its a lot more convenient to use towers that actually do the job automatically
I find it funny how people say you need to put Gattling on a straightaway meanwhile, I always put it on a cliff and still managed to get Max pierce all the time without trying I don’t think people realize just how big Gatling hit boxes are
OBJECTION! HOT AND UNPOPULAR TAKE this nerf was well deserved, yes it its lvl 175 requirement and costs 35k coins, but golden crate skins. Most people get them around level 200 and it costs 50k coins its a 15k coins increase yet no where near powerfull as thr gatling gun hell even the pursuit pre rework was better then half the g crate skins. Thats just my opinion with thr current balancing you can still use it preety effectively, my obly complaint is yeah the nerf was little too heavy maybe a price reduction and a slight like 50 dps increase shouls balance it up. But i do agree with the marco stuff its def hard if ur doing supports or solo in a game, i agree with that take but it was definently well deserved but a little overkill.
The Gatling Gun nerf was one of the dumbest things that TDS production did, you simply need Level 175 and 35k coins to get the Gatling Gun and receive less persuit, Level 100 Tower, if the Gatling Gun was free, it wouldn't even he complained, In a match to get 600x3 DPS on the Gatling Gun we need $243,500, an absurd amount even for Hardcore towers, to give you an idea, you can buy 1736 dps in engineer and 855x3 or 1055 dps in persuit, even if they nerf the persuit by about 40 dps max, it will still be worth having the persuit and if they nerf it even more it will look more like the tower before of the rework, in my opinion the price of the Gatling Gun should be reduced considerably to maintain the current dps or receive more dps and continue the same price. ___________(Edit: Guys, try to get this message to the paradoxum games team)
I mean we all agreed about that gatling gun dps nerf is reasonable but the upgrade prices is just completely a total reversal, now its much more harder to max it out and not even cost efficient.
the fact that gatling is now no longer like the best tower in the game is a little sad.. it was TOO op though, people just put it down and win which is NOT EVEN FUN, which is why im on the side that the nerf was deserved and gatling shouldnt get even the slightest buff again. edit: i love that he shows mostly only late game so we can see a more realistic performance of gatling
just saying, this thing CAN still solo fallen easily, you just need to overbuff the hell out of it (merc, dj and commander) and all toghether it adds up to about the old DPS of gatling, which did all the things described
Even though I have gattling, I still don’t use it that much, that includes before the rework. Was the nerf necessary, yes. Was it a harsh, a bit but it’s still not a bad tower(maybe buff its damage a bit better CE). Also just cuz a tower takes alot to get dosent mean it should be OP.
wdym? its 175 level requirmetns with a whooping 35k coin, are you serious? i know it was gonna get nerfed but the nerf was just abit too harash, they could just let the upgrade remain same OR nerf all upgrades except last one, or just make it more expansive but remain same OR place limt of 2 instead of 1 which 90% wont happan i prefer the second one though, No, sicne it takes alot to get , iT MUST be worth it, now its not really worth buying it, just save for golden tower or buy pursit & turret.
@@N-3RO well, i agree with u. however, the nerf it has got, is too much, it either nerf dps or more expasnive, not both. its just now bad compared to turrret or pursit or accel they're just better optinos, yea its still good but not among meta
this is actually not that bad, think about it, even if it costs 35k to unlock and an extremely high level, by that point players farm so much it wont be a problem for them at all to buy it, and it only takes up one tower placement limit to give you the dps of around 3-4 max pursuits, if u consider the piercing then around 6 pursuits, im in favour of this since it now has to be stratefically placed and used, and even so, its pretty insane that u can still get 4 people and solo fallen with it
I can see why they nerfed it and I makes sense on why elite is getting a bit angry over it, imagine grinding for hundreds of hours to unlock stuff like engineer and accel, plus grinding golden chest while also needing to use strategies to beat a game mode like hardcore, then a single unit is added that makes all that hard work completely useless because you can solo hardcore with a single tower with absurd dps. Tho they could have made it better in some areas other then just make it worse overall
The reason why some enemys glitched is because electro shocker gets his stun buffed for no reason becoming from a 2 seconds stun to a 3 seconds one (also slows no stun enenus by 80% permanently until they are out of range)
Its really not worth buying now, like why decease the dps so much basically cutting in half and make it cost more to get to max. It really makes no sense and really aint worth it no more
I love how Gattling gun nerf was a bigger attraction than pursuit rework
Probaly because Pursuit is basically better than Gatling
Meanwhile Gatling is literally 75 level requirement more than Pursuit (100)
Its heavier to find an old truth to be a lie than finding a fresh new truth, if u catch what i mean.
it was the only tower the brainless noobs knew how to use
hi agar
@@yellowball1948175* actually
*Behold The Water Gatling. Shoots water for a price of 115k only*
😂
243k if you consider all the prior lvl costs as well...
Nah behold the missler you can manually operate it and it’s better then rocket teer and morter. With a price range of only 100k and it also has electro sizer range.
Gatling gun before it got nerfed was so good but now it’s literaly 10 times more garbager than how it used to be even the pursuits are freaking better than the Gatling gun which is like freaking crazy even the pursuits won and the Gatling gun lost to fallen king so literaly I don’t even think people are even using gat gun anymore I think they are just average players using brawler DJ booth commander or even accelerator gat gun lost its ability to save the world the power of gat gun just just… ended for only a couple of days☹️☹️😭😭
@@yansariediaz9056have u like tried the buffed version it does not suck anymore it’s way better then pursuit
It was a really bad move to bring the long awaited rework with a heavy nerf of one the most unique and engaging towers on the same day. They could've made the nerf like 3 days later after the rework show settled down.
wouldn't have done much tbh
Dawg got a worse downgrade than the T. rex to the chicken
Un-evolution
Yeah that’s what happened tho
True
Wrm actually t rex didn't evolve into chickens there just different theropods
to T.rex To the chicken To the insect To the sh1t.
Listen tds.. this tower was op because it requires 35k AND to be level 175, the whole point was to reward high level players with the best dps tower in the game, for a big cost. I know it needed a nerf but almost half the dps?? No. Bad move. It went from the best dps tower to “another dps tower” this was too much of a nerf and most players wont even bother getting it anymore because of the expensive price. Personally, I was really looking forward to get this tower as a level 165 player because it looks like a lot of fun to use but now I’m not even going to buy it.
Yeah I just reached level 175, and I need like 22k more coins like I don’t even feel like grinding for it when it isn’t really worth my time. I also just like he said don’t want to play tds to go into a first person shooter, what I need to grind for is engineer as that is actually with my time.
Honestly you're lucky you didn't buy it. I basically wasted 35k cause now gold towers are better. It was so good before nerf.
dude i was at lvl 155 when i started to grind. wanted it soooo bad and grinded even with school n stuff. today i bought it and i love the fps mode. but they KILLED it.
womp wompp
@@heddy7882 in the big november 24 is crazy
bro might have got a little heated by the end there
Elite's crashout
Lol
Rage monster
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Remember this tower cost 35K coins to unlock, you need be a late game player, expensive placement cost and it has to be manually operated. Now this tower lost its value, No one should use this tower. It's not even fun to use given you need to reload a lot more now.
Tds players when the most op towers becomes just op
@@amzoriwtf u tryna say bro
now it shoots water.
@@amzorinot even close to op
@@amzori Basic non-gatling owner reaction:
16:16 Elite starts to genuinely tweak out
Fr
Never saw Elite this pissed off, the background music really fit the vibe
Not even surprised it got nerfed since I taught it was a little powerful but I wasnt expecting such a big nerf
It literaly cost 200k his old dmg was so good for his price
ah yes the water gatling. Shoots literal water
@@dezee7180 now we will use helicopter more than a gatling gun
“a little powerful”
@@A59ri Yes, "a little" :p
Tbh, they should've made the non fps mode better thanks to the damage nerf, and shouldn't of increased it's price since they already made the damage worse, I could be wrong though, I never really used Gatling Gun even though I have it, I just found it to be kinda annoying to have to constantly control it and find good placements for it, but it should be strong, It's like the most endgame tower you can buy, along with it's insane pricetag, high level requirement, and not to mention the placement limit one one... The nerf was kinda understandable, but they shouldn't of made it ALL negatives, there should've been some decent positives too, like a "re-balance" that's still a nerf, but not just a nerf
For example they could've done something like:
1) Added a single level of pierce for the non fps mode
2) Increase the angles for the non fps mode, instead of decreasing them-
3) Adding a Heat Vision mode, to fix the issue with maps with lots of walls making it hard to see enemies
I don't think people would've complained as much if they improved it in other areas, for the dmg nerf, assuming these were added the increased price would also make more sense.
0:37 I use your code "E" and now I'm homeless and living in a box my wife took the kids and now they don't talk to me and I'm banned from thanksgiving dinner
İs this real
Womp womp...😊
If real sad idk what to say if fake lol
I get this tower was overpowered but to get it the player would already be in very late game, where they want a fun tower, I know it was kinda stupid but I don’t think they should have nerfed it this hard or even at all.
now its water gatling
No, it’s not water gun it’s Nerf gun
So in a nutshell, Gatling went from S++ Tier against hordes of enemies to S Tier. Against single target, it went from S Tier to B-. IMO not worth wasting one slot on.
Gatling was like:
"I am the best DPS tower in the game!"
TO
"I'm one of the DPS towers in the game!"
"Im one of the towers in the game"
I am the dps tower of the game
TO
I am a tower of the game.
"im a tower in the game"
It was a bit too harsh. I believe it needed a nerf yes, but this, this was TOO much
*“I used to shoot bullets but Now I Shoot Water!”*
Gatling was the only fun thing that i have experienced in a while. Time to quit the game again
Bro the Gatling doesn’t belong in the game anyway
Maybe you shouldn’t be playing tds and instead a shooter game
Shut up@@boyista0
Yep average guy who hates on whatever tds does even when Gatling is still good watch him join tdx and start glazing like crazy
“Gatling was the only fun thing”
Dude if the only thing you liked about tds was the Gatling gun, better go and play arsenal and don’t be crying >:(
Personally, when I had the option to buy Gatling or save up like 5000 coins for my third gold crate, I chose the gold crate, because I probably couldn't handle managing the first person mode and placing other towers to help, and so now that it's nerfed, I probably wont' even bother getting it tbh, even though I probably wouldn't have used it often when it was overpowered anyways
The old gatling gun was only good when paired with other dps towers, still true to now
... What in the actual hell do you mean you could "buy Gatling or save 5k more for Gold crate"?
Gatling is 35k and Golden Crate is 50k, that's a 15k difference
@@omnibeta1876 Maybe. Just maybe, they had 45k coins and they reached level 175. I know, crazy thing to imagine right?
@@omnibeta1876are you good? Perhaps, maybe, they just so happened to have 45k coins?
Gatling gun on cliffs shouldn’t even be a thing tbh. They should also make the Gatling stunable too, with or without the player. I’m glad that I don’t use Gatling gun that much in the first place (I have it, but it’s way too expensive to have like xwm from tdx) the only good thing that Gatling has now is the pierce damage and flying detection which they shouldn’t even have Gatling flying detection if your not in first person. I thought golden soldier was overrated (before fallen rework) but Gatling gun is stupidly overrated. The only thing they need to buff is the later upgrades because it becomes a really good sub-dps to a less reliable dps
I find it dumb how they severely decreased the DPS and it costs more to upgrade. Not to mention the amount of coins you need and need to be a really high level, I find this nerf honestly stupid.
Oh my gosh calm down the nerf was necessary but the amount of dps they removed does not make it worth the price.
fr now you’re better off using turret or something
"2500 dps, balanced tower"
wdym he got nerfed? now he sucks.
HE WAS WAY TOO OVERPOWERED. AND HE'S ALSO A CROWD CONTROL TOWER, NOT DPS.
@@RetroGDGamer it was a dps tower and a crowd, Gatling gun literally had a dps for someone that was able to solo hardcore with it!
yeah but it got nerfed TOO hard, now turret is better
@@howitizerthattypes972 ikr, a level 50 tower better than a level 175, that cost 35k coins tower
17:44 Actually fact: They shouldn't add Gatling Gun if that's the problem.
Yeah, but too late to remove it now, because even more people will complain about their coins being "wasted".
Tbf , they'd probably refund us like they did with the mercenary base thing@@CarterLam1014
@@Athant0s but they definitely wont remove gatling because of how much effort they spent on it and since it costed robux for people who decided to get it that way, they will not be able to refund it, even worse in trying to compensate it since it costs 2.5k robux.
Know what, let me just say it. The TDS community is screwed. Almost everyone gives destructive criticism and behaves like a moron on top of harassing the devs constantly, making them less likely to respect feedback by the community, which in turn worsens the games quality. We can only fix this problem, if we all collectively stopped behaving like idiots and actually help make the game a better place. You can't keep saying it's the devs fault because really it's not. Balancing is a pain (speaking from experience) and these changed need to be careful or else they are bad, but the community makes it harder to fix the problem since of their behavior.
Paradoxum isn't the problem anymore, it's the community.
You, good sir, have my respect.
Thank you, @@darkery-benedictanimations268. I genuinely appreciate it.
@@Hyperlaser_Merc You are very much welcomed.
False claims, there are multiple official balancers and testers who have been grabbed from the streets and told "test our game or just lie and say you did".
@@englishdeafboy Its still not easy to balance things with multiple people, since TDS is a really layered game, making the impact harder to predict, also playtesting takes a long time, since every change needs a stat change which takes hours, also all these balancers don't work on one thing, but each on diffrent things. A lot more balancers would focus on sth like Pursuit, PVP and Molten Rework and put tower changes to the side. (Pursuit is pretty balanced)
And again, the communities toxic nature makes it less likely to make changes.
They had to buff towers like Engineer who didn't need a buff and undo nerfs like commander since of the backlash.
Fortunatly, the game gets more balanced and im happy for it. We can however make improvements for the game quicker if we help them and be more tollerant to changes.
I get why you are upset since the game is still messy, but they are going the right way.
Making a game is VERY difficult, I'm speaking from experience, and balancing is one of the reasons why. In fact, I give you a test.
Balance Gatling Gun.
Everyone can complain, but not everyone can constructively criticise.
This is basically just a controllable turret
This is a horrible nerf, whether you agree or not.
The nerfs are so generic the upgrade costs being increased was pretty obvious and it makes sense but this tower now literally does like 100 more dps than turret while costing 200k.
They should've really nerfed the stun immunity and pierce like my idea was if you placed gatling at cliffs he would be stun immune and if you placed him in the ground he would be able to use his infinite pierce.
BRO HE HAS PIERCE
tds players when 2500 dps tower is now 1600 dps: "BAD TOWER BAD NERF"
@@RetroGDGamer Issues: outrageous pricing, only 1 tower can be placed per person and that requires a horde to even reach said dps which can also be done by a lvl 75 tower (so crazy right??)
@@lily_ofthedark issues: crying over their savior being nerfed, only 1 tower being actually really good because its compressed dps, relies on the player which is awesome, and lvl 75 tower doesn't have full map range, any targeting you want, and hidden detection.
also, higher lvl tower doesn't have to mean stronger, it means smarter and when maximized can be stronger, not some braindead thing like old gatling
@@jadennguyen2852 even crazier thing: im a mortar enjoyer, and if you are good enough at macroing it which is not that much effort you can somewhat makes it mimic gatling, which works with most towers too!!
I agree with elite
This tower should not exist to begin with, it's literally the definition of too op and it does not even work like a tower, it's legit fps
High level players should rewarded, but not to this extent
I'd protest even if they added a normal tower that was this op, but if they really want such op towers then they should increase the overall scaling of the game and add bosses with 2m+ hp
if you think about it, it really wasn’t that overpowered before. you pay THIRTY FIVE THOUSAND COINS FOR IT, and you can only place one tower. I don’t get the reasoning behind why it absolutely needed a nerf.
Your right and especially the other requirement is having to be level 175 which makes it take even longer to get
it was overpowered just because it cost 35k and you need to be lv 175 does not mean you can make it the most op tower in the game. the nerf was needed but it was to much.
oh yea don't use how much you need to get it for balancing that much. that like clash royal making legendary cards op
@@Kolomaile01 it WAS op
in quad you can get way more late game towers while having one tower with 1k dps + pierce + full map range
@@mortar9954but if placelimit was more than 1 yes it was op but it not op before
@@mortar9954 3 turrets and 8 accels really still top it but now the gatling gun isnt even worth like 10k+ anymore level 175 +Endgame players cmon bruh its unique tower but now its just a crook boss victim in dps
At this point, it's better to save up for a golden crate since Gatling Gunner is "another DPS tower" now.
What is up with TDS devs having to nerf stuff into the ground? This is 2021 all over again.
Just let stuff be fun, reward those high lvl players.
Fr. No fun towers no reason to grind
The gatling gun needed a nerf. But it is a bit overkill tho.
@@marri0nzNo it didn't
@@BiIIyTheKidthey can just ban gatling on specific gamemodes/events to make it balanced, the nerf just made the gatling dirty
@@BiIIyTheKid it did tho. But not too much
The reason why enemies were getting stuck on the bridge is the same reason as the old Autumn Falling bug. The bridge is modeled with the path, not separated from it. If the weld between the ground and the bridge is made incorrectly, fast enemies can get stuck on the edge of 2 welds.
Commando, your nerf isn't the biggest in the game history anymore.
Jester crying in the corner
@@Saaaaaans jesters nerf didnt kill the tower though
Commando still cries in the corner from how he can’t even compete against a minigunner. His mediocrity is on par with golden soldier. His missiles are the equivalent of the missile strike ability and even then the consumable is cheaper than the missiles and only can be placed 5 times.!! 5!!! Even a pursuit has better dps and simply does the whole “Single + Splash” damage topic Way better.
@@ThomasPlays2024 You can place Commando's missile 8 times actually as placement limit is actually 8
@@Saaaaaans Jester didn't lose half of its dps, confusion bombs are still good against most of enemies, it's just that they can't confuse bosses anymore
gotta love when the tower requiring lvl 175 and 35k coins ontop of that which is SUPPOSED to be the strongest, most versatile and strategic tower in the game gets nerfed. because they either wanted to bring pursuit to the spotlight and get more ppl using it (which worked, but more are mad at the nerf) or just because its "too good" which was just about the entire purpose of it.
i see this game as just bloons but in roblox, so gatling should be made with the bloons gatling in mind, you set points for it to look at, it shoots down those, and you can place multiple, either to all look down one straight way or to cover multiple straights at once
so you want a complete copy of the one in bloons
@@okgoose3305 maybe with a bit of tds flair but yeah something pretty similar, the whole "only one tower of it with crazy numbers" isnt rly something i fw
@@alive527you can already (basically) set points for it to shoot at and gatling having a placement limit of 1 is unique
@@Coocoocrazy3 unique but makes it so the turret kinda has to have crazy stats. i think of they tweaked its stats to be a little lower, got rid of fps, and made it so you can place or 3 its be lit
Remember when Engineer was considered expensive… Now a max Gatling Gun Is 200 THOUSAND!?!
A nerf was needed but it was a little too harsh.
As the best tower in the game with its 35k expense, it should be better than most towers. But knocking it down so much to being a mediocre sub-dps tower wasn’t the way to go
Like the tower shouldn’t be too op to literally solo bosses, but it’s wrong to make the “best” tower to be just as good as accel. Should’ve balanced it better, not sure how though🤷
They could’ve made gatling not have first person and instead have you use an ability to make it turn, raised the costs to 175K, and removed all the pierce and stun immunity
@@l3ol16yeah that’s also way too harsh, thats gonna make the tower a lot worse to use.
@@Sci-Fi001 yea but I also think if they do what I did they would make it do like 1.5K dps or sum
Your right especially the way your required to be 175 which can take alot of time to get too considering most people dont have that amount of time on hand
@@l3ol16 mr. Thats 5x harsher.
they need to at least make gatling gun cheaper to buy and upgrade to make up for its lower dps smh
This is kinda like sleger spawn killing enemies at molten mode, sad it got nerfed hard, it was my first event
17:18 Ppl who complain about gatling nerf are quite right imo You just dont see the main issues with this Starting with most obvious the tower itself Devs were aware when adding it that its going to be most expensive most powerful most grindy tower to get basically endgame must pick for every high level player So with that knowledge they add that thing to the game And i agree the gatling was unbalanced but now pursuit is unbalanced because it does litteraly the same thing that gatling did before
Solo carry ✅
Whole map range ✅
Insane dps ✅
Aoe ✅
Targetable at your own will ✅ (if youre good enough to micro)
Lets talk about some problems that should never apear in the first place
1 tower is too strong
It was way to strong at release and it deserved a nerf but now its a part where everything goes downhill
2 Not acting instantly
If it was so op that it needed a nerf why didnt they nerf it instantly?
Not every player is lvl 400 and has 200k spare coins If someone bought gatling instead of golden crate can now feel quite litteraly scammed not even starting with players who bought it with robux
3 The nerf is too big
Like 40% dps nerf just like that?
And a cost increase...
Thats just stupid they made the tower pretty much worthless bc you can get better value out of 3 turrets
If the tower was ment to be a goal and so grindy then dont just reduce it to lvl 50 tower thats free like thats just downright stupid
4 Cycle repeats
With pursuit rework it now serves as a new gatling and it will get nerfed aswell when enough ppl grind their ass out to get it or spend their rb to buy it.
Really bad game design imo
But i also have to point out one thing that you said correctly. People who complain that this tower got nerfed just bc they cant spawnkill all modes anymore are clowns. Thats not hiw this game was ment to be. And if you cant beat fallen mode just bc ur precious gatling got 40% dps nerf cry about it u just suck at the game. (unless ur a player like ones that i mentioned before aka. bought gatling instead of g crate and now cries in corner then i feel bad for you) But every player will agree about this. Gatling was fun. Posibilities that it added and pure fun of beating bosses like its nothing were just very enjoyable so if you say gatling should never be added in the first place imagine how much fun you wouldve missed. Alr im done writing an essay for now if anyone even read it to the end lmao.
The pursuit got a glow up meanwhile the gattling gun got a glow down
Gatling gun is like one of those glow sticks if they can’t light
I think Elite is only ok with this because he wants people to use Elite accelerator again
I love how Elite just goes off at 16:16 🤣
5:27 in fact, that is a timescale bug that freezes all the enemies for no reason, it could be useful
Having to grind 35k and getting to level 175 to purchase a tower that was meant to be super good nerfed like crazy -300 DPS+ Cost going up is crazy
I literally only had this unit for 2 weeks and it gets nerfed. I grinded so long for this just to get nerfed.
We paid... 35k for this... I would like a refund thank you
I mean they could still buff or rebalance it
This nerf was necessary to make this tower more balanced.
I hope it gets rebuffed or balanced.
Womp womp, you should have known a nerf would have come considering how op it was.
Lol
The funniest thing is that in this update they killed the tower that made solo hc much easier. But also made the pursuit so op solo hc is possible for baissicly anyone
they DISMANTLED a almost perfect tower dawg
An*
womp womp brain using time
@@twins9185most people shouldn’t need to use their IQ to place some stupid towers.
You’re missing the point
@@ThomasPlays2024it’s a strategy game dawg. If you think ppl don’t need to use their brain for a STRATEGY game then you shouldn’t be playing
What happen here
honestly, a better nerf woulda been pierce falloff or removing pierce altogether instead of gutting the dps
the gatling's main purpose (single targets) was pretty much fucked over because of this nerf
a nerf was needed of course but they could've handled it a lot better
To be honest if this means it's allowed to be used in events now it's actually gonna still be extremely good due to the nature of event economy encouraging dumping on one dps and most tracks are extremely good for pierce towers.
Most of the nerfs are really just centered around non fps mode too.
I don't think the price shouldn't have changed when they reduced the dps.
12:10 how DARE you diss yhe paintballer
And then, Gatling got buffed..
Lvl 2 Cost: 8250 to 7250
Lvl 6 Cost: 115000 to 100000
Lvl 3 Cooldown: 0.13 to 0.12
Lvl 3 Damage: 14 to 15
Lvl 4 Damage: 20 to 25
Lvl 5 Damage: 38 to 45
Lvl 6 Damage: 65 to 75
This might not be that big of a buff compared to the Gatling before the nerf (about 800 dps) Gatling gunner now has about 600 dps, which makes it worthful to grind for again.
The bigger they are, the harder they fall
Gatling fell
Elite it wasn't electroshocker, that bugged the enemies it was just a bug...this bug makes enemies stuck in one place and secretly, go to your base Elite if you see it then please report it to the TDS devs because this bug is so annoying it makes me lose almost every game.
Gatling getting nerfed was a canon event. A 1000 dps tower was way too good to be true, so a nerf had to happen. I think that this big of a nerf was a little overkill, but you have to admit it makes sense. We got high off of an overpowered tower that killed everything so easily that, when it was taken away all of a sudden, the community crashes out. We wouldn’t really be complaining about its dps as of now if it started off this way. Please buff just a little, devs.
Finally someone understands the reason why they nerfed it
I'm sorry, but 1000 dps is NOT a lot for a late game dps tower. Remember, you can only place one gatling, while you can place multiple of everything else. You can get anywhere from 1200 with turret to 6000 with REGULAR minigunner. The only thing that made gatling gunner strong was it's piercing, which should have been nerfed instrsd and the only thing the devs touched, and infinite range, both of which require constant management of the tower and without which it was basically worse ranger. Not to mention, it not only had the highest level requirement of any tower in the game, but also the highest coin cost of any tower in the game, a price only dwarfed by the Cosy of a golden crate (and even then, gatling was 70% of the cost of a g crate anyways). Now, it has less single target dps than 2 turrets and it's piercing does not make up for it. Hell, literally everything gatling gunner can do is done better by pursuit now, which is less than half the coin cost and 75 levels less to obtain.
@@dansmith6300say that to the people who beat hardcore solo with Gatling with FOUR slots it needed a nerf
@@dansmith6300ok, but consider that since the gatling only uses up 1 tower space (in terms of the placement limit), it allows you to make more room to place more of the towers that you mentioned. also, stun immunity.
Only removing like 150-200 dps would’ve been better imo, enough to still have a significant impact but still needs support from other towers, as every tower should
I think I understand why it got nerfed. Two of them are able to solo fallen mode with supports. (Pre-nerf)
Commando technically got the biggest nerf in tds history as in the mega update during 2019 it lost most of its good capabilities like for example in pre mega it had 124 dps and it had around 40 - 50 dps from what i remeber
It was until
Toxic,jester,sledger and gatling nerfs came
Nah, biggest nerf was old commander, lost the call of arms ability stacking so it went from infinitely faster firerate -> 55% faster firerate
@@discotech6178commando was the best tower back then but was completely destroyed during it's nerf which genuinely made the tower useless at least the tower you mentioned have SOME use
@@discotech6178 Rocketeer was the absolute worst
@@mortar9954i still remember how badly that nerf hurt me rocketeer was my fav
its super sad to see a unit get nerfed so hard😢
HE USED CREO-FLOW AT 6:32 amazing song btw
NULLSCAPEEEEEEEEEEEES
funny how as end game players with everything, this seemed like new fun for veterans and new high lvl players like me who just got to the lvl req and was grinding for 35k, now after this, tdx is looking quite a bit interesting lately, and the event
5:07 someone please tell me why engineer is worse with timescale
The nails aren't affected with the timescale
@ so speeding up does nothing to the engi but slowing down does? or does it only affect speeding up
Dude Nails take time to Hit the enemys and IT doesent Go 2x Speed so IT will fly at the enemys at normal Speed while the Zombies move at 2x speed
@ ahh ok thanks :D
It would be better if gatling came out like this as everyone would say its a cool and unique tower that isn't to powerful, but man seeing such a big decrease in dps just hurts
17:20 he has a good point though, before the nerf people relied on the gatling gun so much so that when it got reworked, everyone had to start strategizing and thinking more into their loadouts. TDS is a game about strategy and when you have an OP tower like gatling, it takes that aspect out of the game.
Gatlin was not OP
This is not even a good point. Let's say turret for example, thinking have double the amount of damage
Turret can be unlocked at level 50 and is free. You have to get to level 175 and pay 35k coins to get this Tower. And I don't know what world you're living in that people rely to heavily on this Tower
Because you never see this thing, trio fallen or even quad fallen. You never see it anywhere else other than polluted wasteland and that's about it
You have to realise that most people dont use strategy to beat fallen
I like how this single thing overshadowed commando finally getting hidden detection and a overall buff and pursuit getting reworked and becoming one of the best dps towers in the game
This big of a nerf!? the solo target is horrible! you forcefully need now another dps if you want to beat any heavy boss? i mean why not making it double path like pursuit? like top path has higher dps but no spread and the other has i dont know explosive penetrating ammo and less dps more crowd control.
My brother in christ if they wanted to do that then they essentially remaking the tower from scratch
The fact you can only place one of it means it shouldn’t have gotten such a big nerf. A nerf was in order, but 300 dps?? That’s crazy
This is why people should not complain complain about things being too overpowered because the devs would probably make it one of the worst advanced DPS towers
They have every reason to nerf it since yes, it costs 35k and has a level requirement of 175, but it should in no right, be able to cheese everything and allow you to turn your brain off. This reninds me of when accel was the dominant dps tower back in 2021-2023.
Yeah I kind of agree, maybe the nerf was a little bit too much, but it was well deserved. Maybe they could just nerf its early game and increase prices for all levels.
But now that the nerf is here, you have to use other towers instead of looking at an enemy while holding the fire button. It’s still reliable, but finally it got nerfed. And I also hope we don’t get Gatling gunner Stan’s like how we had Accelerator Stan’s, both towers are no longer dominant in the meta. Even tho accelerator got buffed a lot, when compared to when it use to rule T.D.S, its stats increased (especially damage) a lot. But now you can actually use other towers, (back then only like four towers were even useable because they others were so bad) in fact, I’m sure it was only king because it was one of the only usable DPS towers back then. (This is just my opinion, if you disagree with it then dislike this comment and move on)
It did deserve a nerf but this absolutely destroyed it, the nerf gave gatling no redeeming qualities like if the dps is going to get nerfed BY 35% at least nerf the price NOT INCREASE IT
Ngl when i was trying solo hc with gatling it was MUCH harder than solo hc with the new pursuit
300 DPS wiped off of gatling gun is A LOT like atleast only 200 DPS wiped off of the gatling gun
i do feel bad for the tower yet it is still good but just unable to solo hardcore anymore wich does makes sense
i guess there is a reason to nerf this tower a lot
I dont mind its later lvls being nerfed but I dislike the early lvl nerfs 1-3
The early nerfs are the best nerfs to this tower tbh the max lvl is just stupid
below just turned these Mega Knight into literally Three musketeers
RIP THE GATLINGS PRIME
THEY HAVE TO BUFF MAX TO 100 AT MINIMUM. Gatling was made to be a treat for the higher level players, for the BEST dps tower in the game. Now it’s mid. If they’re not gonna buff it’s dps, they have to buff its range, pierce and price.
That was my favorite Tower 😭😭
RIP this tower they really fucked up asking for nerf is like the worst idea anyone could do in this game because of the fact that it can’t even do as much DPS as single target damage by the way compared to Pierce damage turrent
6 Engis now has higher dps than a single gatling, especially better because they can function as an early game tower and dont need to reload
very dumb nerf
removing 300 dps from a tower and making it more costly to upgrade is ridiculous
I agree that a tower that can solo fallen is out of hand, but the purpose of the tower was to provide heavy supporting fire
while it still can do that, considering the requirements for unlocking it, it shouldn't have that heavy a nerf
Everyone can say its a dumb nerf. But no one can say WHY its a bad nerf and HOW we could balance the tower. Stop complaining and actually help make the game better by giving constructive criticism.
@Hyperlaser_Merc 1. I don't think anyone on the dev team will notice, much less care, about my feedback, considering I have no affiliation with them whatsoever.
2. I explained why it was a bad nerf, evidently you weren't looking fully at the comment.
3. Balancing? Simple. Lessen the severity of the nerf. There isn't a need to provide any numbers, as literally anybody could think of them.
Tbh gatling deserved a nerf BUT NOT THAT BIG OF A NERF....
Personally I didn't use gatling as much, but it definitively deserved the nerf, every single game was, 1. farm 2. place gatling 3. win, it became so dull that you could use a single tower and win every game without strategy
Lol I didn't use Gatling too much either since I wanted to use other towers and it was a hassle to do fps mode to reline up the Gatling gun back to its original place and do think it deserves the rebalance/nerf
Tell us you're retarded without telling us. You're just another developer bootlicker. Now it aint worth shit because the devs dont know what the fuck they're doing in balance. Fuck them and their families.
It did deserve a nerf but not like that
That’s not a nerf
That’s a killing nerf
The tower is useless now
@@Mask6456I got gatling 2 weeks ago and only used it in 2 fallen games and 2 hardcore games
I pretty much just used engineer or pursuit more
@tipeanimates837 I use engineer and Ra ger
They should re add at least 100+ dps on the max level and make it slightly more expensive, or bring back the old gatling but make it 2-3x more expensive. Gatling should only be used in extremely hard modes like events instead of a regular mode like fallen by making it expensive it ensuring people not to main it in an extremely easy gamemode
Literally made it worse then a couple turrets especially the requirements
That's especially funny that you mention it should be used in events considering that Gatling got literally denied out of Hexscape Night 3 AND the Pls Donate event
"Biggest nerf in history."
Warden:
Sledger:
@@boxguymanplease don’t remind me of that tragedy ;-;
At first I thought it was a dumb nerf until he started talking about how it could solo hardcore, honestly I didn't even know that gattling was that op and just thought it was just another high level tower that is strong but not nearly as op as say like an engineer.
I kept telling people Gatling will get nerfed and never bought it myself, and now here we are. Always get golden towers first
gatling is still better than the g towers lol
@@jadennguyen2852 just untrue?1st of all 3 gold towers are better than Gatling currently those 3 are g crookboss g pyro and g cowboy
G crookboss is great for early mid and late game has hidden and flying detection with 100 DPS goons and the actual tower having 200 DPS
While g pyro even after the pierce nerf makes early game hc a joke
While g cowboy is just op for money making on soloes
@ gcb relies on units, without them it’s a pile of mid. g pyro is literally outclassed by electro lmao. g cowboy is just mid, only useful in legacy modes and even then, better to use other stuff.
@@jadennguyen2852g pyro isn't outclassed and g cowboy makes fallen a joke and u can't just say gcb without units because that's how he works 💀
@ it is, electro performs better than g pyro, every good tower makes fallen a joke, gcb RELIES on units, im did not say whatever the hell u were thinking buddy. once those units die the tower is straight up useless
I was the first concerned bout this nerf, my excitation for the pursuit rework faded away when I saw the 100->65 DMG nerf on max level
Fianlly! Someone who understands on how to use gattling gun, every single person was aaying it got worse than engineers and TURRETS. And while yes I agree the nerf on max level was rather rough, I think right now it's at perfect place, people have to understand that gattling gun was designed to be used with it's pierce, not like a turret v2. Also to clarify, I main gatling gun as my main source of dps all the time, so I'm not some hater that wanted it to get nerfed. Also having fps tower does give some skill ceiling to hkw you control the gattling gun now.
Well…
This nerf is unfair
The tower isn’t usable anymore
It sucks to use now
Using hilo is Mach better now
@surbaniathra it's as usable as it was, you simply need to utilize fps more, it's single target dps was decreased hard I agree. But now it's not as braindead as it was, so now you actually need to think how you're using the tower instead of just placing it and getting a free win. THE GAME CALLED TOWER DEFENSE FOR LORD'S SAKE NOT TOWER SHOOTER.
The solution to Gattling gun's nerf is as simple. *GET GUD*
@@SiriusFrostalite I don’t have it
But the nerf was too over
I know the nerf was needed but now you WILL NOT USE IT
What is the point of a tower you need to control and have your brain do something rather than watching
If they just nerfed the price it would be understandable but now you don’t need to use it
I T S
U S E L L E S
Now it’s more like those towers that you use them when your bored aka more like most of the event towers
@surbaniathra wrong, I still use gattling gun, and it performs just as before, just having some difficulties with single target that my sub-dps towers cover. And if you want to watch instead of controlling a tower, go play something fitting your age of 7-9 years old with lots of ADHD inducing stimulations. It's not close to being useless (and not uselles as you wrote) all you have to do is just place it the way it can pierce through enemies. Again I repeat, if you want to use Gattling gun, GET GOOD TRASH.
Gatling is pretty much just a slightly better turret while yes its still a good dps its a lot more convenient to use towers that actually do the job automatically
I find it funny how people say you need to put Gattling on a straightaway meanwhile, I always put it on a cliff and still managed to get Max pierce all the time without trying I don’t think people realize just how big Gatling hit boxes are
Luckily I'm never using gattling
its gatling
@@The_Basic_Bee gyatling gun
@@The_Basic_Bee sorry i meant GYATTling gub
@@XENON2997 Im touching you
This is like the downfall of Accel, yet I don't think I ever seen Accel get it this bad. Jesus.
OBJECTION! HOT AND UNPOPULAR TAKE
this nerf was well deserved, yes it its lvl 175 requirement and costs 35k coins, but golden crate skins. Most people get them around level 200 and it costs 50k coins its a 15k coins increase yet no where near powerfull as thr gatling gun hell even the pursuit pre rework was better then half the g crate skins. Thats just my opinion with thr current balancing you can still use it preety effectively, my obly complaint is yeah the nerf was little too heavy maybe a price reduction and a slight like 50 dps increase shouls balance it up. But i do agree with the marco stuff its def hard if ur doing supports or solo in a game, i agree with that take but it was definently well deserved but a little overkill.
1 place limit bro
i'd prefer if you keep your take to yourself, thank you
@@haotran-i5z fair point def needs a price reduc or a even a 100 dps increase of 50 i definently undershot it
the like to dislike ratio of the game actually went down a lot after this nerf
THE COMMUNITY IS PISSED LMAO
The Gatling Gun nerf was one of the dumbest things that TDS production did, you simply need Level 175 and 35k coins to get the Gatling Gun and receive less persuit, Level 100 Tower, if the Gatling Gun was free, it wouldn't even he complained, In a match to get 600x3 DPS on the Gatling Gun we need $243,500, an absurd amount even for Hardcore towers, to give you an idea, you can buy 1736 dps in engineer and 855x3 or 1055 dps in persuit, even if they nerf the persuit by about 40 dps max, it will still be worth having the persuit and if they nerf it even more it will look more like the tower before of the rework, in my opinion the price of the Gatling Gun should be reduced considerably to maintain the current dps or receive more dps and continue the same price. ___________(Edit: Guys, try to get this message to the paradoxum games team)
I mean we all agreed about that gatling gun dps nerf is reasonable but the upgrade prices is just completely a total reversal, now its much more harder to max it out and not even cost efficient.
the fact that gatling is now no longer like the best tower in the game is a little sad.. it was TOO op though, people just put it down and win which is NOT EVEN FUN, which is why im on the side that the nerf was deserved and gatling shouldnt get even the slightest buff again.
edit: i love that he shows mostly only late game so we can see a more realistic performance of gatling
nah it was fun because i would go random squad matches with gatling and for some reason using gatling gun gives me entertainment
Ngl, It should recieve a slight buff to it's DPS and lower down the price
just saying, this thing CAN still solo fallen easily, you just need to overbuff the hell out of it (merc, dj and commander)
and all toghether it adds up to about the old DPS of gatling, which did all the things described
Even though I have gattling, I still don’t use it that much, that includes before the rework. Was the nerf necessary, yes. Was it a harsh, a bit but it’s still not a bad tower(maybe buff its damage a bit better CE). Also just cuz a tower takes alot to get dosent mean it should be OP.
wdym? its 175 level requirmetns with a whooping 35k coin, are you serious? i know it was gonna get nerfed but the nerf was just abit too harash, they could just let the upgrade remain same OR nerf all upgrades except last one, or just make it more expansive but remain same OR place limt of 2 instead of 1 which 90% wont happan i prefer the second one though, No, sicne it takes alot to get , iT MUST be worth it, now its not really worth buying it, just save for golden tower or buy pursit & turret.
@@N-3RO well, i agree with u. however, the nerf it has got, is too much, it either nerf dps or more expasnive, not both. its just now bad compared to turrret or pursit or accel they're just better optinos, yea its still good but not among meta
this is actually not that bad, think about it, even if it costs 35k to unlock and an extremely high level, by that point players farm so much it wont be a problem for them at all to buy it, and it only takes up one tower placement limit to give you the dps of around 3-4 max pursuits, if u consider the piercing then around 6 pursuits, im in favour of this since it now has to be stratefically placed and used, and even so, its pretty insane that u can still get 4 people and solo fallen with it
I think its balance well
Its too op in the first place
And i respect the devs decision
its horrible, borderline unusable now, the pierce going to 2 and only 650dps for more cost is absurd
Oh
They could've keep the piercing
I take it back it sucks
Rip Gatling 2024-2024
biggest nerf? nah that goes to commando, freezer, or paintballer.
no it goes to gatling
@@pattifry7742 atleast gatling didnt drop from s tier to f tier lmao
I can see why they nerfed it and I makes sense on why elite is getting a bit angry over it, imagine grinding for hundreds of hours to unlock stuff like engineer and accel, plus grinding golden chest while also needing to use strategies to beat a game mode like hardcore, then a single unit is added that makes all that hard work completely useless because you can solo hardcore with a single tower with absurd dps. Tho they could have made it better in some areas other then just make it worse overall
i love how a lvl 175 tower is worse than a lvl 100 tower, the logic is so understandable
Gatling on release:💪
Gatling when I finally get it:
The reason why some enemys glitched is because electro shocker gets his stun buffed for no reason becoming from a 2 seconds stun to a 3 seconds one (also slows no stun enenus by 80% permanently until they are out of range)
Its really not worth buying now, like why decease the dps so much basically cutting in half and make it cost more to get to max. It really makes no sense and really aint worth it no more
They can make the upgrade costs cheaper cuz gatling is no longer to be used on its own