@@patrickstewart3446 HB didn't rotoscoped or used film frames like other comment said before, they take their own time and fully animate It because It doesn't have that "rotoscope awkwardness" (credits to other comments). Edited: Credits is actually belong to an user named "Blockoumi"
I love how the actual song being played isn't actually horrible, I was expecting it to be a bunch of random keys being played that sounded like 5 year old smashing the key board
This is a brilliant piece of animation. From the days when every cell was hand drawn. The sheer timing is perfect and there was no keyframe computer timeline, just outright genius.
Sounded like the only thing they got wrong is the key scale is backwards with the scene. Right hand playing low, left high as opposed to most pianos, right high, left low. Everything else was similar at least
i remember there is 1 episode of tom and jerry where the animators actually took the time and animated the characters playing the right notes. and yes, it was hungarian rhapsody no. 2 again Edit: I'm sorry, but i have to say it. HOW THE HELL DID THIS COMMENT GET 87K LIKES?
Yes, you can look it up, the episode's title is "Cat Concerto", if I'm not mistaken. Also Tom's pianist gestures, posture and body movement is following the rhythm and the melody. A marvelous animation 😍❤️
The fact that it's not in modern animation where everything is easier (not saying it's easy, it is still hard...But now it's better ig??), makes it more amazing...
Considering everything, this is a whole lot more accurate than what it's being given credit for. What he act plays, it honestly sounds a bit like the real song (even if the notes are a few octaves off, it still has the same basic melody and structure!)
It isn't poorly animated. It's HIGHLY innacurate, but given the poinbt of the animated performance isn't about trying to reproduce the piece accurately(but about using it as a resource to enable Bugs character to express), accuracy is one of the last concerns in the matter, mostly because it would increade the work esponentially in time and complexity(not animators don't understand how needlessly hard it would make it when it's not even the point, specially for analog handdrawn animation in the 40's)
It is when compares to what its trying to imitate. The bugs piece is copying is the piano sequence from Tom and Jerry. Before you ask, yes Tom did play ever note correctly
@@mikecheck5937 No, he didn't. A lot of the notes midway through become incorrect. The beggining notes? Sure. But past around 10 seconds notes also become innacurate on Tom's side. Let alone, there's no evidence that Tom was the original short. It seems plausible given the history of both shorts but even the unofficial version claims The Cat Concerto was an answer to Rhapsody Rabbit. And that's not even adressing the point I made here. I know more about animation than thousands of pianists do and there's a reason why this kind of thing is common and low priority in animation: it's time consuming, hard and bloats production costs (which sure, makes the Tom and Jerry short more impressive for going the distance but doesn't change that the point of the short isn't even the piano playing proper but the comedy of Bugs being annoyed by the mouse)
@@roskiart8750 you can just look at the dates. Secondly it was still very accurate so much that it was noted for its extreme accuracy for an early animation. Old animation were poor there is nothing to changed that. But you can still say one was better or worsely animated. Lastly a animator doesn't need to go out of their way to animate something, but it does mean that your quality does go up in others eyes (since quality is mostly subjective).
@@mikecheck5937 "you can just look at the dates." Yes, I can. Rhapsody Rabbit came out first(November 9, 1946. The Cat Concerto? April 26, 1947. You know, over 5 months of difference). "Secondly it was still very accurate so much that it was noted for its extreme accuracy for an early animation." Which I never denied was positively impressive, but to assume that should be the standard is patently absurd. I can't stop pianists for feeling miffed every time an animation goes the easy route, but I can say without guilt they're coming form a place of ignorance when they ask incredibly stupid questions like "is it really that hard?". Yes, yes it is even today, which is why it's so rare to see it done right! And like I said, PRODUCTION TIME AND BUDGET. Animation is a craft. Work. Paid. It requires time and money to be made and it's not always available for things that in the end are often minutiae. I repeat, yes, that makes all the more admirable that Tom and Jerry(partially) went the distance, but to look down on Rhapsody Rabbit based on this criteria is patently ridiculous.
@@roskiart8750 I also said that quality is subjective. Meaning that author can view it by any means from a negative view. As long as the have something to justify that view in this case they do. What you find to be a petty factor is different than author
Always annoying. As others have already pointed out though, both "Forest of Piano" and "Your Lie in April" have beautiful animations of playing the right notes.
I feel like people have already commented about this, but I'd like to say it anyways. In the Tom and Jerry short "The Cat Concerto", Tom plays the exact same piece that Bugs does here: Hungarian Rhapsody #2 by Franz Liszt. However the animators for Tom and Jerry went through the painstaking detail to make sure that Tom's finger movements correspond to the actual notes one would hit for the piece. They eventually won an Academy Award for their attention to detail.
I always preferred T&J over BB, and knowing that they animated the right keys is just too satisfying know they got the Oscar despite all the controversy over the plagiarism
im fuming at the fact that a overworked, underpaid animator who probably never touched that instrument in his life wasnt able to animate it correctly 😡😡😡
"Poorly animated" is not a good way to look at this objectively. Even still, as an artist of different mediums, I see that the cartoon did a good enough job to be entertaining for the intended audience. It comes to my understanding that animation, especially cartoons, is exaggeration.
It's an effing cartoon! It's supposed to make you laugh! It's not a didactic for Hannon Virtuoso Pianist! What the actual eff is the matter with all of you?
As a pianist and Animator, its okay if the animation isn't accurate, especially in cartoons. We just want to get the idea across and make it entertaining. But it is nice and some what comedic when animations get it right.
I like some authenticity when it comes to animating stuff like this. EDIT: ESPECIALLY if it's something you're passionate about. Heck, in Metalocalypse (one of my favorite shows), most of the time they would accurately animate the fret finger placement and the strumming using recorded footage from one of the show's creators, Brendon Small, who makes Dethklok's music. (He's a sick guitarist.)
I noticed the same thing when Stewie is trying to write a song for Suzie Swanson on guitar. He's just practicing campfire chords, but the chord shapes are all accurate. Always impressed when I see an accurate portrayal of people playing instruments.
It’s a freaking CARTOON! Kids watching that don’t give a rip if he’s actually playing it correctly!! At least they are getting introduced to other types of music!! That’s what’s important‼️‼️‼️
He got some of it right, but if animators weren’t showing how instruments actually work since the 1940’s, then we haven’t improved that much since 1936.
obviously the animators know how they work, still dude that cartoon was obviously done just for entertainment, not really as an artistical piece of animation
@@2idiot2animate28 exactly. these knobheads think that cartoons have to be the same as reality. Just look at that. Is there any rabit that plays piano? Obviously no. And I'm pretty sure 99% of the words cartoon says arent synchronise with their lips. But who is there to complain it? Obviously no one because no one is an idiot. The same case happens here. Just if because youre a pianist doesnt mean to get out of way to complain things. Saying humanity arent improved that much. dude, whatre you holding in your hand right now? Is that a 30 Kg phone that was made in 1930? Absolutely no mate. Thats the prove human is improving.
@@AtanoKSi that does make sense in the 1930’s - 1990’s. Luckily we have Adobe apps. Still, they were still very productive rather than using modern technology.
I get that it’s frustrating when they right keys aren’t shown but you gotta understand that animating itself is pretty hard and sometimes they show them playing a certain sets of keys to show off their expressions better
It juat annoys me when people have to point it put when insert instrument animations are not 100% accurately Do you actually know how long animation takes a little goof up doesnt mean its "poorly animated"
In defense of the animator (as I'm an artist) I need to say it's very hard to animate the correct key even with a big reference, they did very well at least getting the right timing xD
Very true lmao, people really dont see the struggle in animating (especially in those days where each frame was hand drawn). People take such small detail too seriously
Tom and Jerry won an Oscar for an animation exactly like this. Only it was Tom and they animated him playing the right notes. Got world wide recognition for it. No one said it’s easy but it’s 100% worth doing.
A couple things: -it doesn't sound bad -an actor doesn't need to capture the technique but rather the feel of the moment and as far as that goes, the animation did a wonderful job -the budget wasn't high on these shorts
The funniest moment on this particular Bugs Bunny cartoon, is when a member in the audience can't stop coughing when he's about to play. So Bugs gets frustrated and shoots him with a hand gun.
To be fair to the animator, they were likely overworked, underpaid, and on a VERY tight deadline. Also, studios back then believed that re-using animation cycles saved time and money since the animator could supposedly trace over it with new character, though in practice it was often even more laborious and time consuming (not least of all because the animations records rooms were so poorly organized). That's why you see the "Snow White dancing with dwarves" and "dancing in a circle with linked hands" animation loops on **so** many Disney cartoons from back in the day. They probably didn't bother trying to make it very accurate since it would need to be generic enough to re-use.
Exactly lol, i dont see why people complain bout such small details. Besides not like everyones a pianist. The majority of the watchers prolly dont even realize theres a mistake. Animatings hard and people should realize that. Edit: Underrated comment btw
@@EternalShadow1667 You're welcome! There are some fascinating interviews with OG Disney animators who said they sometimes spent DAYS searching the animation records room for a specific animation loop because their bosses demanded they reuse them whenever possible. The animators hated it because they could have just come up with something entirely new and moved on in less time than it took to FIND it let alone adapt it. I love rewatching the old cartoons, now, because I have so much respect for how much work it took to make that kind of magic.
Exactly. I don't understand these people getting frustrated over cartoons of all things messing up notes on an instrument. And ofc it's all from channels who play specified instrument so they can just use that to their advantage to get more validation on a pointless complaint lmao.
Omg it's so annoying though because I'm a pianist and I know music, but Bugs Bunny is playing the piece WRONG. Maybe it's because I'm a pianist but I find it so annoying. Did I mention I'm a musician and I play the piano?? In fact I can play this piece and it just annoys me to see an animated animal playing it wrong!!!
To the dude who made this video, try animating 5 seconds of a character playing any keyboard notes. You won't ever feel like making a video like this ever again in your life. I have learnt the piano and my best friend is an animator. The time it takes for me to play a song of 5 minutes is only a quarter of the time it takes for him to draw a keyframe which lasts for 1/24th of a second (He is faster in drawing than anybody I know irl. My profile picture is one of his drawings.) And to the people who say that it's just time consuming and not as difficult as playing music,have you ever tried drawing like those animators? My friend and I sometimes try out each other's crafts and if I could ever have the level of understanding of 3D space as he does,that would be one of my greatest achievements.
Honestly, It makes sense. Studios don’t always have time time/budget to make a musically accurate representation of a piece. And I don’t know why you would go through that painstaking process for the small duration of the clip for a show that isn’t anything music related. If the idea comes across, then the animation succeeds. Now, that being said, the piece being played would not have been much difficult if at all to animate with accurate notes. I’m a bit confused on this one.
You have to at such a slow part of the music though. Otherwise, you end up with the musical equivalent of those bad dubs where a character says one syllable loudly & slowly but their mouth moves multiple times.
I have to ask, why would you expect the studio to spend the time and money to accurately animate per the music? What purpose would it serve and how many of the target audience would even know?
I understand the frustration an instrument player feels, but if I were a full time animator, I wouldn't want to take the time to make sure everything was lined up perfectly. It's already a lot of work...
Idk why a person who is gud at instruments get frustrated as such a trivial detail , I have been playing guitar for 6 yrs and I don’t really give a shit if some cartoon plays some thing wrong
@@mariakhan7986 "With that attitude" the animators don't get to decide details like that. Also you're just proving how much work it is to add those kinds of details, not everyone wants to go through that.
@@mariakhan7986 how to tell me you are a jaded instrument player drowning in copious amounts of copium without telling me you are a jaded instrument player drowning in copious amounts of copium
It was close enough. Remember that at that time, no-one expected it would be anything but on at the movies a few times. No-one would ever own a copy apart from the studios. We were never going to have 24 hour access to it and be able to replay it at our leisure., let alone slow it down and tear it to pieces. that was never the intent. All things considered it is not bad.
why am I the only one that didn't understand anything? this comment has a whopping and shocking amount of 366 likes! I literally thought that a 2year old wrote it
To red tooth blue tooth: I can happily translate for you. The original comment is basically saying that these cartoons were made at a time before the public was able to have free access to rewatch and put any little mistake made onto a microscope for imperfections or flaws, which is true if you think about it. Movies were made on reels and nobody really had access to replay them except for movie theaters at the time
I love these kind of comparisons cuz it shows that the animators have just enough knowledge about pianos to make it sound like absolute randomness (unless of course, it's meant to be). Or if you're Tom and Jerry, have the absolute maximum knowledge of it and animate it almost damn near perfectly.
@@peculiar297 Nah. The friska is still accurate coz i always watch Hungarian rhapsody no. 2 from Rousseau and piano concerts of michael andreas which is the great great grandson of Franz Liszt
"Poorly animated" isn't the right set of words at all. I'm hoping most people know this, but they had a week to make shorts (yes, multiple,not just one per week), and these were all drawn by hand. So, it's not that Warner Bros. poorly animated it, it's the fact that they had a lack of time to do everything perfectly, something that people now-a-days don't think about because c.g.i./a.i. can solve those problems, and that's what they grew up with.
That’s not true, these productions took 6 months to complete. After the script was written, the first week was actors meeting in a room to block out movements in the general scenes, which as filmed. Then, those films were edited to designate the composition of a world class orchestral score. Once that was written and recorded, the voices and sound effects tracks were created. After that, hundreds of artists went to work hand-painting each frame of the animation. And that’s just a very basic overview. There are video documents which show each part of this process along with interviews with the actors. Mel Blanc, Carl Stallings and support production team.
this production took nearly a year to release, which resulted in a lawsuit when cat cacophony also came out, doing the same song except with Tom and Jerry. these aren't just animated ( and this was beautifully animated in traditional style, "accurate " or not; it's amazing animation. That's impressive bc it's not done by cgi or automatic software. they hand draw each and every frame. few *weeks*? lol this is nothing short of a masterpiece if it took a few weeks. you crazy kids
attention all animators: when you animate your cartoon rabbit in a suit playing piano you MUST have him playing the correct notes. don't forget about those deadlines, though, we gotta make the warner brothers as much money as possible!
“Poorly animated” is an obscene, disrespectful and stupid assertion. These are the best animations ever created. Hand painted frame by frame. Poorly animated started when single static images remained on screen for 10 seconds or more, and only the mouths moved, but not with precision. Just 4 or five basic positions that are sequenced to approximate 5% of what and actual pronunciation might look like. Often it’s reuse of a previously used sequences which doesn’t even get close to what the pronounced line would look like. That is poorly animated.
@@Ed_Mann And there's those VERY cheaply animated cartoons where they slide the animation cells around and use real life lips to "lip sync". For a parody example, check out Mr. Incredible and pals (preferably with commentary).
The piano wasn't animated, it was literally part of the background which OBVIOUSLY is just a painting... cartoon's animation is different from flipbooks...
My thesis film had an instrument that was 100% made up (strings over the main character’s chest) and I made sure to assign notes to each one and have it be animated correctly.
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as someone who has (albeit limited) animation knowledge, it would be impossible to be a production team focusing on animating one specific song while there is an entire other movie/show to animate. that would be not only pretty hard, but also expensive for the production. edit: i am literally so pleased i started an argument in the comments
@@samueltreminivalle3494 not impossible yeah. But that's also because your lie in april is focused on a pianist. The animators were probably given actual clips to study.
I suppose that would depend on the budget of the animation studio in question. There is no doubt that Warner Bros has that kind of budget at their disposal. But other animation studios may not have that budget so they cut corners. With that being said they definitely could have animated Bugs Bunny's fingering correctly but chose not to
bro , do you think its easy for annimators to annimate instruments ? do you know how many precision do they need ? bro you gotta stop doin this , your passing yourself for a nerd to other people
in fact its fun to see how probably some people that enjoyed the bugs bunny's short instead of the tom and jerry short started to hate it just because of the inaccuracy of the piano notes, those mtf's would wish to animate atleast as good as a hanna barbera cartoon XD
They may know how to play a piano, but they definitely don’t know how hard animation is and how time-consuming and unnecessary it would be to make sure the character hits the right notes 💀
@ren yeah its way more difficult than animating them moving normally. Drawing the piano's already kind of a pain. And then does one honestly expect the animators to be like... I dunno, learn able to do everything? from piano to violin to guitar to singing to any other skill/activity just to animate one short scene
Listen I’m a musician but one thing I can’t stand is when other musicians expect people to know shit when they’ve had no training to know. I draw too and I was thinking, had I not known how to play piano, would I really want to make it more difficult on myself to try and have someone come in and point out every key in each chord and then also have to remember that the entire time as you draw it on a piece of paper?
The animators wanted to give it its own bouncy flair. The target audience won’t understand it’s accuracy and it won’t matter to them. It isn’t animated correctly, but that’s ok because it is creatively used
Everyone: making fun of animators for not correctly animating the instruments The animator, who isn't a musician and was not provided with adequate video reference: 😢👍
@@spudwickthrockmorton2112 yes, but that was because the director made the decision to have it done correctly and provided the animators with what they needed to do so. With Bugs, don't blame the animators for not doing it properly. It's not like they could pull up a RUclips video on their phones to check back then.
@@faolan2174 dont blame them at all, its a lot of extra work to do a fully accurate animation of actual piano playing, for deminishing returns. He plays the same notes because they reuse the motions, because thats all that is needed to convey the action. It makes for a cool video where you see what hes actually playing, but animating every hand motion would be a lot more work and it would be pretty pointless in the grand scheme of things, unless thats something you want to show off
@@spudwickthrockmorton2112 my Asian buddy scored 100%,for you not to score the same means that you nd every single one of you westerners are slacking mofos.
I'd give anything to go back to this "poor animation" averaging 35000 unique frames for a 7-8 minute theatre short vs 1000-1500 for a 20 minute cartoon.
Hate to be 'THAT' person buuut... Going by what you have said, you (And the 277 people that liked it) Have no idea how frames work. Because 1500 fromes over a 20min cartoon would mean a whopping.......1.25 FRAMES per SECOND. (FPS = Frames per second) Basically a comic book. As where your original example, 35000 frames in 8 min, would equate to 72.916 Frames per second. not only is your example massivly off scale, it's 100% the other way around, more frames per second are drawn (animated) today than they were 100 years ago, in a fraction of the time. I will however conceed, that many cartoons and shows story eliments have really gone downhill though.
@@Whitewolf1984p Hate to be that person BUT..... I never said modern cartoons have "1500 frames of animation" I said "1500 frames of unique animation" modern cartoons reuse a lot of animation, and have a lot of stills that drag on. Sometimes they don't even animate the character, or they use frame inbetweening to fill things in. They didn't have shortcuts to use back then. If they wanted bugs bunny to do something, they had to painstakingly animate by hand. Here's an example from an anime I like: Dragon Ball Z has tons of scenes where they cut back and forth between characters. During those scenes you usually don't see the character animated at all, just the mouth, so they can just reuse the face animation they made for the series.
I think its just like that to make the animation be made faster so people who really wanted the animation to be released to the public can watch it without waiting too long
@@angrytedtalks STILL, looney tunes had a high budget and it was and is considered as high budget animation, anyways its just a cartoon done for entertainment, not something really as an artistical piece of entertainment
The fuck you mean actually putting effort into it, good on T&J for doing it, but animating piano accurately for the song is so much more time consuming and costs way more money, that painstaking effort isn’t necessary for a cartoon
Do you even understand how much more time-consuming it would be to animate something that most people would just overlook How about you try to reanimate and "put actual effort" into it
People out here defending it like it's their own craft. It's got a higher budget and has been produced a lot later aswell, which means they had access to better tools aswell. Yes, it's more time consuming and more expensive, but there's still a noticible difference in the amount of passion of the animators that is showcased by the small details. The title of the video holds true, because it IS rare for animators to actually spend the time doing so, which is a real pity because the scene becomes a lot more immersive when you can not only hear the music, but see the music being played aswell. The best rated animations are simpy those that spend the time doing exactly that: Adding the small details.
@@Minecraftgnom its not because of pasion really, obviously both units liked their job, depending which animators, but its actually for budget reason, plus the production of a tom and jerry short would usually take 1 - 2 years, while a looney tunes short would usually take 7 months - 2 years to produce around that time, plus the person that directed the short was friz freleng which at the time, his unit has one of the best budget from other directors units, apparently chuck jones had the best budget, and it is clearly obvious if you look at the mid 50's shorts comparing it to other directors short from that time
you'll sometimes see more accurate piano animations in modern stuff. this is typically achieved with 3D animation, and in the case for a series that's mostly 2D, the 3D work will be cell-shaded to look as much like the 2D stuff as possible. pretty much no one doing 2D animation is getting paid enough to do that level of work. hell, i don't know if 3D animators are getting paid enough to do it. animators don't do it accurately for the same reason bugs bunny has four fingers instead of five; shit's complicated. unless you got a freak in the studio who's obsessed with getting an accurate depiction. we love seeing what those freaks create, but they're not common.
I think the most important perspective to have is how that single scene fits in the context of the whole episode. The lack of accuracy can be frustrating, but we must consider if the scene is in line with what feeling the animator wanted the audience to feel. Nothing wrong in nitpicking, but we must not forget to consider the rest.
I play piano. I didn't watch the whole episode, just this RUclips video. I felt like the animators did a pretty good job when you consider the difficulty of hand drawing scenes frame by frame, and also considering the (lack of) importance of visually portraying each note on the keyboard. Face it, most people don't play the piano and those of us who do, aren't using these animations to learn the piano.
@@Delsanium of course, and the ever present painted tunnels on the sides of cliffs. It always bothered me that the animators couldn't get that simple physics correct.
I find it very close to what it's supposed to be. Accurate enough for the average viewer who knows a little music to enjoy. It's a cartoon afterall, not a documentary
Animators were overworked and underpaid. Being mad that they didn't have the effort to actually research the piece to animate it accurately is the most snobby thing that I'd come expect of the music community.
Musicians are the snobbiest people in the world and they do expect perfection. That's nothing new. That's one reason why I quit piano lessons a long time ago and have more respect for genres that lean heavily on experimental stuff.
On the other hand, you have the notes on the music. It's not like flute or violin where a non-musician doesn't know how it's done. Additionally, they have an entire music department with multiple pianos in the studio, and they took the time to make it look correct from a timing and relative position. Given how long it takes and how much care they took to animate this scene (since they could have easily changed the angle to hide the hands), you would think they would at least get the notes correct on such an important part of the short.
@@Benjamin1986980 Ikr. Like when Bugs sticks his finger in the barrel of Elmer's gun and it blows up in Elmer's face... so inaccurate. They should show BB hand getting mangled. I hate inaccuracies in cartoons 🙄
The most amusing part of these videos are the very people who - out of all the unrealistic stuff happening in cartoons - complain about the incorrect animation of playing instruments
I mean we don’t see scientists complaining about how wild coyote shouldn’t be able to walk and stand on thin air until he looks down so I hear ya but I understand how it could get annoying when it’s something you focus on daily.
that would be literally random keys, gerry chiniquy did a better job at animating bugs playing the piano better than an average fame seeker tiktoker could play it
I was wondering why some people in the comments were pissed off, this seems like a light-hearted video? Then I read the description and saw the phrase "poorly animated". Yeah, probably a good idea to remove that. That's an unnecessary remark and a bit pretentious. This is still animated very well, it's just a bit inaccurate, but really who cares? It doesn't really matter, as a lot of other people have said. Either way, good job figuring out what Bugs was "actually" playing, I thought that was fun
Right, like I don’t think a pianist is a better judge of what is or isn’t good animation than an actual animator who probably doesn’t get paid enough to care about these details anyway 😅
Who did it first, Tom or Bugs Bunny? Because I have seen two videos in one day where those two are playing the piano, and the Tom one got an Oscar award for being accurate and creative, and if this one came after and not before, than BB was animated doing the same thing to capitalize on the fame, but if it's the reverse, Tom did it one better.
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You're doing a free concert?
Giveaway?
@@sarcastic_bee2410 lol
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Hilarious how Tom got it right, while Bugs couldn’t.
Probably because HB either rotoscoped or used film frames as art references and WB didn’t.
Nice comment, I was totally impressed with that animation of tom doing piano.
its not that bad of a result
Tom is more skilled
@@patrickstewart3446 HB didn't rotoscoped or used film frames like other comment said before, they take their own time and fully animate It because It doesn't have that "rotoscope awkwardness" (credits to other comments).
Edited: Credits is actually belong to an user named "Blockoumi"
I love how the actual song being played isn't actually horrible, I was expecting it to be a bunch of random keys being played that sounded like 5 year old smashing the key board
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If your only using white keys your more than likely going to make something that sounds okay
@@nickhaas9185 oh
@@nickhaas9185 actually if u use black keys there'll be something even more ok😂
The animators really should’ve made sure their talking bunny, in a tuxedo, was hitting the correct keys
They managed it in Tom and Jerry
This is a brilliant piece of animation. From the days when every cell was hand drawn. The sheer timing is perfect and there was no keyframe computer timeline, just outright genius.
To be honest while it's not accurate, what he really played doesn't sound bad.
true that, my friend
Almost Debussy-esque
Agreed
They did miss animating any key hits on minor keys. It's not bad for major keys only.
Sounded like the only thing they got wrong is the key scale is backwards with the scene. Right hand playing low, left high as opposed to most pianos, right high, left low. Everything else was similar at least
i remember there is 1 episode of tom and jerry where the animators actually took the time and animated the characters playing the right notes. and yes, it was hungarian rhapsody no. 2 again
Edit: I'm sorry, but i have to say it. HOW THE HELL DID THIS COMMENT GET 87K LIKES?
Wow
Animation is already very difficult. Personally I don't mind the animators not getting it right it's a cartoon not a doc.
Yes, you can look it up, the episode's title is "Cat Concerto", if I'm not mistaken.
Also Tom's pianist gestures, posture and body movement is following the rhythm and the melody. A marvelous animation 😍❤️
The fact that it's not in modern animation where everything is easier (not saying it's easy, it is still hard...But now it's better ig??), makes it more amazing...
@@vleaky3430 not really difficult
Considering everything, this is a whole lot more accurate than what it's being given credit for. What he act plays, it honestly sounds a bit like the real song (even if the notes are a few octaves off, it still has the same basic melody and structure!)
It isn't poorly animated. It's HIGHLY innacurate, but given the poinbt of the animated performance isn't about trying to reproduce the piece accurately(but about using it as a resource to enable Bugs character to express), accuracy is one of the last concerns in the matter, mostly because it would increade the work esponentially in time and complexity(not animators don't understand how needlessly hard it would make it when it's not even the point, specially for analog handdrawn animation in the 40's)
It is when compares to what its trying to imitate. The bugs piece is copying is the piano sequence from Tom and Jerry. Before you ask, yes Tom did play ever note correctly
@@mikecheck5937 No, he didn't. A lot of the notes midway through become incorrect. The beggining notes? Sure. But past around 10 seconds notes also become innacurate on Tom's side. Let alone, there's no evidence that Tom was the original short. It seems plausible given the history of both shorts but even the unofficial version claims The Cat Concerto was an answer to Rhapsody Rabbit.
And that's not even adressing the point I made here. I know more about animation than thousands of pianists do and there's a reason why this kind of thing is common and low priority in animation: it's time consuming, hard and bloats production costs (which sure, makes the Tom and Jerry short more impressive for going the distance but doesn't change that the point of the short isn't even the piano playing proper but the comedy of Bugs being annoyed by the mouse)
@@roskiart8750 you can just look at the dates. Secondly it was still very accurate so much that it was noted for its extreme accuracy for an early animation. Old animation were poor there is nothing to changed that. But you can still say one was better or worsely animated. Lastly a animator doesn't need to go out of their way to animate something, but it does mean that your quality does go up in others eyes (since quality is mostly subjective).
@@mikecheck5937 "you can just look at the dates." Yes, I can. Rhapsody Rabbit came out first(November 9, 1946. The Cat Concerto? April 26, 1947. You know, over 5 months of difference).
"Secondly it was still very accurate so much that it was noted for its extreme accuracy for an early animation."
Which I never denied was positively impressive, but to assume that should be the standard is patently absurd. I can't stop pianists for feeling miffed every time an animation goes the easy route, but I can say without guilt they're coming form a place of ignorance when they ask incredibly stupid questions like "is it really that hard?". Yes, yes it is even today, which is why it's so rare to see it done right!
And like I said, PRODUCTION TIME AND BUDGET. Animation is a craft. Work. Paid. It requires time and money to be made and it's not always available for things that in the end are often minutiae. I repeat, yes, that makes all the more admirable that Tom and Jerry(partially) went the distance, but to look down on Rhapsody Rabbit based on this criteria is patently ridiculous.
@@roskiart8750 I also said that quality is subjective. Meaning that author can view it by any means from a negative view. As long as the have something to justify that view in this case they do. What you find to be a petty factor is different than author
Always annoying. As others have already pointed out though, both "Forest of Piano" and "Your Lie in April" have beautiful animations of playing the right notes.
Underrated comment, but you really aren't wrong. I learned the beginning of 'Minute Waltz by Chopin' from 'Forest of Piano'
I love Forest of Piano!
Not to mention, Kids on the Slope
Pixar's Soul too
Yes i watched your lie in april it was amazing
I feel like people have already commented about this, but I'd like to say it anyways.
In the Tom and Jerry short "The Cat Concerto", Tom plays the exact same piece that Bugs does here: Hungarian Rhapsody #2 by Franz Liszt. However the animators for Tom and Jerry went through the painstaking detail to make sure that Tom's finger movements correspond to the actual notes one would hit for the piece.
They eventually won an Academy Award for their attention to detail.
That's actually quite a chad move.
EDIT: I was 200th like LMAO
@@CrafterDaemon Congrats
I always preferred T&J over BB, and knowing that they animated the right keys is just too satisfying know they got the Oscar despite all the controversy over the plagiarism
Tom and Jerry did it first anyway. Luney Toons copied it
@@trashboat2687 Looney tunes didn't actually copy that piece was really popular among animations search for a short called rhapsody rivets
im fuming at the fact that a overworked, underpaid animator who probably never touched that instrument in his life wasnt able to animate it correctly 😡😡😡
"Poorly animated" is not a good way to look at this objectively. Even still, as an artist of different mediums, I see that the cartoon did a good enough job to be entertaining for the intended audience. It comes to my understanding that animation, especially cartoons, is exaggeration.
You have to give mad props to the actual shows out there that took the time to animate the right notes in piano scenes.
Some guy without a mustache
Agreed. Second
Maybe respond?
Shows: Your lie in April, Piano no mori
You have to shut up
0:25 this is like the closest sounding part...
I do love accurate animations, but imagine doing it for the entire piece
Check out kids on the slope
it has great animations
Doesn't Tom & Jerry's version have most of the notes right
Cat concerto, the Tom and Jerry version was incredibly accurate with the same piece
Um your lie in april has left the chat
Who would've guessed that animators are not musicians
Exactly lol, "Poorly Animated" isnt really the right term
Considering their animation technologies before, that would really be time consuming if they made Bugs play it on the right key.
I was expecting a lot worse, I'm sure it's cringey for professionals, but for most people it seems pretty good actually.
yeah a producer could probably sample the hell out of that
Yes I thinking the same....it does sound similar
What the
Its terrible
It's an effing cartoon! It's supposed to make you laugh! It's not a didactic for Hannon Virtuoso Pianist! What the actual eff is the matter with all of you?
As a pianist and Animator, its okay if the animation isn't accurate, especially in cartoons. We just want to get the idea across and make it entertaining. But it is nice and some what comedic when animations get it right.
A pianist and an animator? Please make me your disciple! Plzzzz
@@lynxarcade2020 kinda mood
I swear this man's gonna come out as an neurosurgeon next kudos to you for being both a pianist AND an animator
So he has no reason to fail.
I like some authenticity when it comes to animating stuff like this. EDIT: ESPECIALLY if it's something you're passionate about.
Heck, in Metalocalypse (one of my favorite shows), most of the time they would accurately animate the fret finger placement and the strumming using recorded footage from one of the show's creators, Brendon Small, who makes Dethklok's music. (He's a sick guitarist.)
I loved the movie, "Coco" for this reason: every note, every chord played on guitar was accurate. As a guitarist, this was extremely satisfying! 🎸
I noticed the same thing when Stewie is trying to write a song for Suzie Swanson on guitar. He's just practicing campfire chords, but the chord shapes are all accurate. Always impressed when I see an accurate portrayal of people playing instruments.
It’s a freaking CARTOON! Kids watching that don’t give a rip if he’s actually playing it correctly!! At least they are getting introduced to other types of music!! That’s what’s important‼️‼️‼️
He got some of it right, but if animators weren’t showing how instruments actually work since the 1940’s, then we haven’t improved that much since 1936.
obviously the animators know how they work, still dude that cartoon was obviously done just for entertainment, not really as an artistical piece of animation
@@2idiot2animate28 exactly. these knobheads think that cartoons have to be the same as reality. Just look at that. Is there any rabit that plays piano? Obviously no. And I'm pretty sure 99% of the words cartoon says arent synchronise with their lips. But who is there to complain it? Obviously no one because no one is an idiot. The same case happens here. Just if because youre a pianist doesnt mean to get out of way to complain things. Saying humanity arent improved that much. dude, whatre you holding in your hand right now? Is that a 30 Kg phone that was made in 1930? Absolutely no mate. Thats the prove human is improving.
It's not that they don't know how they work, they have to do tons of frames very fast
@@AtanoKSi that does make sense in the 1930’s - 1990’s. Luckily we have Adobe apps. Still, they were still very productive rather than using modern technology.
When was this made?
ruclips.net/video/ltqx-jo6aWE/видео.html
I get that it’s frustrating when they right keys aren’t shown but you gotta understand that animating itself is pretty hard and sometimes they show them playing a certain sets of keys to show off their expressions better
Especially over a hundred years ago they had to draw every frame by hand
also most animation was and still is drawn with the characters having only 4 fingers! it's a world of mostly fantasy people don't get too serious
exactly^
@@NovaBoi7 uhh today animators still have to do that lol. Yes i know that there are tools to assist them but still.
@@dacrazyhippo well yea but now there’s rigs n stuff on flash
It juat annoys me when people have to point it put when insert instrument animations are not 100% accurately
Do you actually know how long animation takes a little goof up doesnt mean its "poorly animated"
The animators never thought people would go this far
In defense of the animator (as I'm an artist) I need to say it's very hard to animate the correct key even with a big reference, they did very well at least getting the right timing xD
Very true lmao, people really dont see the struggle in animating (especially in those days where each frame was hand drawn). People take such small detail too seriously
Tom and Jerry won an Oscar for an animation exactly like this. Only it was Tom and they animated him playing the right notes. Got world wide recognition for it. No one said it’s easy but it’s 100% worth doing.
Only worthy for making videos like this
plus usually you greatly exaggerate things to communicate it to the average viewer. Not for it to make sense.
Friz freleng had the best timing
A couple things:
-it doesn't sound bad
-an actor doesn't need to capture the technique but rather the feel of the moment and as far as that goes, the animation did a wonderful job
-the budget wasn't high on these shorts
Yeah
Read my name❤
Agreed 💯
True. However those that take the time and effort for accuracy deserve a special place in heaven.
No need to take it too seriously
This video is clearly just poking a lil fun at that nothing serious
The funniest moment on this particular Bugs Bunny cartoon, is when a member in the audience can't stop coughing when he's about to play. So Bugs gets frustrated and shoots him with a hand gun.
That sure detracts from the realism of a rabbit playing piano, doesn’t it?
To be fair to the animator, they were likely overworked, underpaid, and on a VERY tight deadline. Also, studios back then believed that re-using animation cycles saved time and money since the animator could supposedly trace over it with new character, though in practice it was often even more laborious and time consuming (not least of all because the animations records rooms were so poorly organized). That's why you see the "Snow White dancing with dwarves" and "dancing in a circle with linked hands" animation loops on **so** many Disney cartoons from back in the day. They probably didn't bother trying to make it very accurate since it would need to be generic enough to re-use.
Exactly lol, i dont see why people complain bout such small details. Besides not like everyones a pianist. The majority of the watchers prolly dont even realize theres a mistake. Animatings hard and people should realize that.
Edit: Underrated comment btw
Thanks for this! Didn’t know that, very interesting. They’re still great cartoons though
Straight up
And then you have Cat Concerto from Tom & Jerry which got Oscar awards
@@EternalShadow1667 You're welcome! There are some fascinating interviews with OG Disney animators who said they sometimes spent DAYS searching the animation records room for a specific animation loop because their bosses demanded they reuse them whenever possible. The animators hated it because they could have just come up with something entirely new and moved on in less time than it took to FIND it let alone adapt it. I love rewatching the old cartoons, now, because I have so much respect for how much work it took to make that kind of magic.
The idea of entertaining animations are not to be as realistic and accurate as possible, but just enough to make it, well… entertaining.
Exactly. I don't understand these people getting frustrated over cartoons of all things messing up notes on an instrument. And ofc it's all from channels who play specified instrument so they can just use that to their advantage to get more validation on a pointless complaint lmao.
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Omg it's so annoying though because I'm a pianist and I know music, but Bugs Bunny is playing the piece WRONG. Maybe it's because I'm a pianist but I find it so annoying. Did I mention I'm a musician and I play the piano?? In fact I can play this piece and it just annoys me to see an animated animal playing it wrong!!!
@@loejewis I know you're a pianist, but like they said, it's just for entertainment purposes
@@jcoolguy1548 wow was that a plane or the joke flying over your head?
You: Pianos are never animated correctly
Tom and Jerry: I beg to differ!
To the dude who made this video, try animating 5 seconds of a character playing any keyboard notes. You won't ever feel like making a video like this ever again in your life. I have learnt the piano and my best friend is an animator. The time it takes for me to play a song of 5 minutes is only a quarter of the time it takes for him to draw a keyframe which lasts for 1/24th of a second (He is faster in drawing than anybody I know irl. My profile picture is one of his drawings.) And to the people who say that it's just time consuming and not as difficult as playing music,have you ever tried drawing like those animators? My friend and I sometimes try out each other's crafts and if I could ever have the level of understanding of 3D space as he does,that would be one of my greatest achievements.
Honestly, It makes sense. Studios don’t always have time time/budget to make a musically accurate representation of a piece. And I don’t know why you would go through that painstaking process for the small duration of the clip for a show that isn’t anything music related. If the idea comes across, then the animation succeeds. Now, that being said, the piece being played would not have been much difficult if at all to animate with accurate notes. I’m a bit confused on this one.
For real.
The Tom and Jerry animators did it accurately in "The Cat Concerto"
I would presume none of the animators knew how pianos work
I mean tbf, I do think the Looney Tunes would be somewhat focused on music, hence the name, but I don't know.
@@toothlesstoe How can someone not know how a piano works?
Honestly. I think it’s impressive that they even animated each key being the pressed down. And even got the rhythm.
You have to at such a slow part of the music though. Otherwise, you end up with the musical equivalent of those bad dubs where a character says one syllable loudly & slowly but their mouth moves multiple times.
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Patronizing much?
Most shows don't depict instruments correctly, be it drums, guitar, or harps. Or in this case, piano, pretty funny honestly
Then you have shows like Metalocalypse which did their best to make sure the finger placements were correct on the guitar.
I have to ask, why would you expect the studio to spend the time and money to accurately animate per the music? What purpose would it serve and how many of the target audience would even know?
I understand the frustration an instrument player feels, but if I were a full time animator, I wouldn't want to take the time to make sure everything was lined up perfectly. It's already a lot of work...
And that's why the animators of Tom and Jerry have an Oscar for actually doing it accurately whereas you likely won't get one with that attitude.
@@mariakhan7986 who?
Idk why a person who is gud at instruments get frustrated as such a trivial detail , I have been playing guitar for 6 yrs and I don’t really give a shit if some cartoon plays some thing wrong
@@mariakhan7986 "With that attitude" the animators don't get to decide details like that. Also you're just proving how much work it is to add those kinds of details, not everyone wants to go through that.
@@mariakhan7986 how to tell me you are a jaded instrument player drowning in copious amounts of copium without telling me you are a jaded instrument player drowning in copious amounts of copium
If you guys watch closely you can see the exact notes that he plays and that they are all inaccurate
I'm so triggered
@Anonymous Person Exactly
That's playing the piano. Not animating it
@@jamesbigfan364 oh meh gosh they didnt play the piano correctly am so triggered!!!111!!!11
@@user-C3ryb5UVr257nJlWxvwRthA even the piano and key size...
Why
I’m not surprised pianos look super hard to animate let alone draw
Honestly that’s actually the most accurate I’ve seen it be in animation tho. Usually it will be COMPLETELY off. That actually doesn’t sound too bad.
It was close enough. Remember that at that time, no-one expected it would be anything but on at the movies a few times. No-one would ever own a copy apart from the studios. We were never going to have 24 hour access to it and be able to replay it at our leisure., let alone slow it down and tear it to pieces. that was never the intent. All things considered it is not bad.
As if anyone but an obsessive psycho would care about it being the right notes or not lol
@@thunderstar7116 you calling out the uploader or...? Jk jk 😂
why am I the only one that didn't understand anything? this comment has a whopping and shocking amount of 366 likes! I literally thought that a 2year old wrote it
To red tooth blue tooth: I can happily translate for you. The original comment is basically saying that these cartoons were made at a time before the public was able to have free access to rewatch and put any little mistake made onto a microscope for imperfections or flaws, which is true if you think about it. Movies were made on reels and nobody really had access to replay them except for movie theaters at the time
@@redtoothbluetooth5794 It's because your a NPC...
I love these kind of comparisons cuz it shows that the animators have just enough knowledge about pianos to make it sound like absolute randomness (unless of course, it's meant to be).
Or if you're Tom and Jerry, have the absolute maximum knowledge of it and animate it almost damn near perfectly.
There’s one of Tom and jerry that won an Oscar award for being accurate and really well animated
I think Tom and Jerry are still more accurate (at least the *Lassan* part)
But not the friska I think
@@peculiar297 Nah. The friska is still accurate coz i always watch Hungarian rhapsody no. 2 from Rousseau and piano concerts of michael andreas which is the great great grandson of Franz Liszt
@@ougi6524 oh nice
By the way I am a real fan of Rousseau too...
@Belle ♪ bruh
Considering the fact that Cat Concerto was done during the 1940s that is already more impressive than the Looney Tunes one
"Poorly animated" isn't the right set of words at all. I'm hoping most people know this, but they had a week to make shorts (yes, multiple,not just one per week), and these were all drawn by hand. So, it's not that Warner Bros. poorly animated it, it's the fact that they had a lack of time to do everything perfectly, something that people now-a-days don't think about because c.g.i./a.i. can solve those problems, and that's what they grew up with.
This series is idiotic. Nitpicking decades old cartoons is stupid.
And of course, it's just a cartoon. The animators most likely didn't think it had to be realistic
That’s not true, these productions took 6 months to complete. After the script was written, the first week was actors meeting in a room to block out movements in the general scenes, which as filmed. Then, those films were edited to designate the composition of a world class orchestral score. Once that was written and recorded, the voices and sound effects tracks were created. After that, hundreds of artists went to work hand-painting each frame of the animation. And that’s just a very basic overview. There are video documents which show each part of this process along with interviews with the actors. Mel Blanc, Carl Stallings and support production team.
@@Ed_Mann Either way, that is still a lot of hard work, and calling it poorly animated still isn't right.
this production took nearly a year to release, which resulted in a lawsuit when cat cacophony also came out, doing the same song except with Tom and Jerry.
these aren't just animated ( and this was beautifully animated in traditional style, "accurate " or not; it's amazing animation.
That's impressive bc it's not done by cgi or automatic software.
they hand draw each and every frame.
few *weeks*? lol this is nothing short of a masterpiece if it took a few weeks.
you crazy kids
I still don't get why people go out of there ways and make videos exposing that one little scene is incorrect I mean it's just a movie....
attention all animators: when you animate your cartoon rabbit in a suit playing piano you MUST have him playing the correct notes. don't forget about those deadlines, though, we gotta make the warner brothers as much money as possible!
"poorly animated" seems incredibly harsh when you look at how bart simpson rides his skateboard. this looks immaculate by comparison.
“Poorly animated” is an obscene, disrespectful and stupid assertion. These are the best animations ever created. Hand painted frame by frame. Poorly animated started when single static images remained on screen for 10 seconds or more, and only the mouths moved, but not with precision. Just 4 or five basic positions that are sequenced to approximate 5% of what and actual pronunciation might look like. Often it’s reuse of a previously used sequences which doesn’t even get close to what the pronounced line would look like. That is poorly animated.
@@Ed_Mann And there's those VERY cheaply animated cartoons where they slide the animation cells around and use real life lips to "lip sync". For a parody example, check out Mr. Incredible and pals (preferably with commentary).
@@cadethumann8605 exactly. It’s a lost art.
I grew up watching this, I can assure you none of us kids back then didn’t care if it was accurate or not.
^ This right here!!!
I rly don't care even now
The fact that someone actually did look for what was really played on the piano is hilarious
I literally just came from watching the other one where it is animated correctly and won an oscar.
Ye but atleast the piano itself is animated correctly
wh-what do you mean?
@@misenthropic the piano in the video looks like a real piano
The piano wasn't animated, it was literally part of the background which OBVIOUSLY is just a painting... cartoon's animation is different from flipbooks...
My thesis film had an instrument that was 100% made up (strings over the main character’s chest) and I made sure to assign notes to each one and have it be animated correctly.
respect o7
omg where do i watch it?
@@nickeman132 wahh i wanna know too o.O
@@nickeman132 I’m trying to figure out how to put it in a yt allowed way
Tick-Tock (I hope the typo helps)
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Last one pinned (so, first one to appear)
@@sonderwater I just replied to the comment above yours with instructions! (RUclips is kinda tricky with links and such)
the irony that i got a simply piano ad before the video
That's much closer than I expected.
If I remember correctly, Nodame Cantabile was very accurate. It used a lot of assistance from CGI and/or rotoscoping though.
I wouldn't be surprised. Isn't it literally about classical musicians?
Yep, it looked fairly accurate even with complicated stuff like Rachmaninov and Ravel. It is interspersed with a lot of still frames though.
Your lie in April and kids on the slope too
And piano no mori
To end the quatuor of music instruments playing animes where the animation is actually good
@@pomatomapo mate just watched that the other day. It is amazing! Was just about to comment this also. 🤩
If you think that part was "inaccurate", imagine the part when he's walking and jumping on the keys.
Then there's me, a casual, who didn't care if it's animated correctly, I'm there for the good ol fashioned comedy they brought 😂
This is well animated, the fact that the sound doesn't match the animation is an entirely different issue, but it's not poorly animated, lmao.
“Pianos are NEVER animated correctly”
Tom giving a piano concert: “Are you sure about that?”
as someone who has (albeit limited) animation knowledge, it would be impossible to be a production team focusing on animating one specific song while there is an entire other movie/show to animate. that would be not only pretty hard, but also expensive for the production.
edit: i am literally so pleased i started an argument in the comments
Probably not impossible, since Your Lie in April seemed to handle it just fine
@@samueltreminivalle3494 not impossible yeah. But that's also because your lie in april is focused on a pianist. The animators were probably given actual clips to study.
Tom & Jerry Cat concerto- ahem
I suppose that would depend on the budget of the animation studio in question. There is no doubt that Warner Bros has that kind of budget at their disposal. But other animation studios may not have that budget so they cut corners. With that being said they definitely could have animated Bugs Bunny's fingering correctly but chose not to
@@rudrodeepchatterjee THANK YOU
bro , do you think its easy for annimators to annimate instruments ? do you know how many precision do they need ? bro you gotta stop doin this , your passing yourself for a nerd to other people
That isn't ANYWHERE near as bad as I thought it would be. Thought it would really sound like a cat trying to hump the keys and making a cacophony.
What's funny is how annoyed people are getting for inaccurate piano on a slapstick style comedy cartoon from the 1940s 🤣
💯💯💯
in fact its fun to see how probably some people that enjoyed the bugs bunny's short instead of the tom and jerry short started to hate it just because of the inaccuracy of the piano notes, those mtf's would wish to animate atleast as good as a hanna barbera cartoon XD
It's funny watching them try to play the accurate version of what it sounds like tho
They may know how to play a piano, but they definitely don’t know how hard animation is and how time-consuming and unnecessary it would be to make sure the character hits the right notes 💀
@ren yeah its way more difficult than animating them moving normally. Drawing the piano's already kind of a pain. And then does one honestly expect the animators to be like... I dunno, learn able to do everything? from piano to violin to guitar to singing to any other skill/activity just to animate one short scene
Everybody knows that cartoon world is different than reality. Cartoons play by their own rules.
So Bugs’s piano playing is spot on 💯% correct.
5head stuff right here.
😂
Exactly
Finally, a wise comment.
Just like a coyote can fall off a 1000 cliff and walk away like an accordion. It’s a cartoon. Kids don’t care
Listen I’m a musician but one thing I can’t stand is when other musicians expect people to know shit when they’ve had no training to know. I draw too and I was thinking, had I not known how to play piano, would I really want to make it more difficult on myself to try and have someone come in and point out every key in each chord and then also have to remember that the entire time as you draw it on a piece of paper?
+Respect
This is likely because the animators have never played piano. You wounding know the keys if your never played one.
The animators wanted to give it its own bouncy flair. The target audience won’t understand it’s accuracy and it won’t matter to them. It isn’t animated correctly, but that’s ok because it is creatively used
yeah, that's true.
But there are different people who just have to nitpick everything.
I just don't get it. Why would anyone expect a show with a talking rabbit to be 100% accurate when it comes to a piano solo.
@@drakejoshofficialyoutubech5569 because another show did it better
I’m a pianist and I never would have noticed this, haha.
Everyone: making fun of animators for not correctly animating the instruments
The animator, who isn't a musician and was not provided with adequate video reference: 😢👍
Yeah
Tom n Jerry did it. Bugs is lackin
@@spudwickthrockmorton2112 yes, but that was because the director made the decision to have it done correctly and provided the animators with what they needed to do so. With Bugs, don't blame the animators for not doing it properly. It's not like they could pull up a RUclips video on their phones to check back then.
@@faolan2174 dont blame them at all, its a lot of extra work to do a fully accurate animation of actual piano playing, for deminishing returns. He plays the same notes because they reuse the motions, because thats all that is needed to convey the action. It makes for a cool video where you see what hes actually playing, but animating every hand motion would be a lot more work and it would be pretty pointless in the grand scheme of things, unless thats something you want to show off
@@spudwickthrockmorton2112 my Asian buddy scored 100%,for you not to score the same means that you nd every single one of you westerners are slacking mofos.
We can’t mistaken them for their job since they are animators not musicians
Bugs: *Better but bad accuracy*
Tom: *Good but very epik accurate*
I'd give anything to go back to this "poor animation" averaging 35000 unique frames for a 7-8 minute theatre short vs 1000-1500 for a 20 minute cartoon.
Beats the F out of Captain Planet, or other modern frauds that couldn't find the vaudeville spirit with a map..
I'd be happy if they just went back to the intelligent writing.
@@ThatsMrPencilneck2U When cartoons didn't feel like cartoons while also being cartoons
Hate to be 'THAT' person buuut...
Going by what you have said, you (And the 277 people that liked it) Have no idea how frames work. Because 1500 fromes over a 20min cartoon would mean a whopping.......1.25 FRAMES per SECOND. (FPS = Frames per second)
Basically a comic book.
As where your original example, 35000 frames in 8 min, would equate to 72.916 Frames per second.
not only is your example massivly off scale, it's 100% the other way around, more frames per second are drawn (animated) today than they were 100 years ago, in a fraction of the time.
I will however conceed, that many cartoons and shows story eliments have really gone downhill though.
@@Whitewolf1984p Hate to be that person BUT.....
I never said modern cartoons have "1500 frames of animation" I said "1500 frames of unique animation" modern cartoons reuse a lot of animation, and have a lot of stills that drag on. Sometimes they don't even animate the character, or they use frame inbetweening to fill things in. They didn't have shortcuts to use back then. If they wanted bugs bunny to do something, they had to painstakingly animate by hand.
Here's an example from an anime I like: Dragon Ball Z has tons of scenes where they cut back and forth between characters. During those scenes you usually don't see the character animated at all, just the mouth, so they can just reuse the face animation they made for the series.
Accurate or not, Bugs introduced a LOT of classical music to kids.
People are not aware of how hard the 2D animation is, specially back then. 😐
I think its just like that to make the animation be made faster so people who really wanted the animation to be released to the public can watch it without waiting too long
Gotta love Tom and Jerry flexing on Bugs bunny by actually putting effort into animating that piece being played. >_>
@@angrytedtalks STILL, looney tunes had a high budget and it was and is considered as high budget animation, anyways its just a cartoon done for entertainment, not something really as an artistical piece of entertainment
The fuck you mean actually putting effort into it, good on T&J for doing it, but animating piano accurately for the song is so much more time consuming and costs way more money, that painstaking effort isn’t necessary for a cartoon
Do you even understand how much more time-consuming it would be to animate something that most people would just overlook
How about you try to reanimate and "put actual effort" into it
People out here defending it like it's their own craft.
It's got a higher budget and has been produced a lot later aswell, which means they had access to better tools aswell.
Yes, it's more time consuming and more expensive, but there's still a noticible difference in the amount of passion of the animators that is showcased by the small details.
The title of the video holds true, because it IS rare for animators to actually spend the time doing so, which is a real pity because the scene becomes a lot more immersive when you can not only hear the music, but see the music being played aswell.
The best rated animations are simpy those that spend the time doing exactly that: Adding the small details.
@@Minecraftgnom its not because of pasion really, obviously both units liked their job, depending which animators, but its actually for budget reason, plus the production of a tom and jerry short would usually take 1 - 2 years, while a looney tunes short would usually take 7 months - 2 years to produce around that time, plus the person that directed the short was friz freleng which at the time, his unit has one of the best budget from other directors units, apparently chuck jones had the best budget, and it is clearly obvious if you look at the mid 50's shorts comparing it to other directors short from that time
you'll sometimes see more accurate piano animations in modern stuff. this is typically achieved with 3D animation, and in the case for a series that's mostly 2D, the 3D work will be cell-shaded to look as much like the 2D stuff as possible. pretty much no one doing 2D animation is getting paid enough to do that level of work. hell, i don't know if 3D animators are getting paid enough to do it. animators don't do it accurately for the same reason bugs bunny has four fingers instead of five; shit's complicated. unless you got a freak in the studio who's obsessed with getting an accurate depiction. we love seeing what those freaks create, but they're not common.
Look up Metalocalypse. Their 100% correct note accurate animations will blow your mind.
Well, they were far more accurate with the piano than they ever were with the laws of physics, so, there’s that.
Love that *_literally everyone_* is randomly getting this recommended to them
I think the most important perspective to have is how that single scene fits in the context of the whole episode. The lack of accuracy can be frustrating, but we must consider if the scene is in line with what feeling the animator wanted the audience to feel. Nothing wrong in nitpicking, but we must not forget to consider the rest.
I play piano. I didn't watch the whole episode, just this RUclips video. I felt like the animators did a pretty good job when you consider the difficulty of hand drawing scenes frame by frame, and also considering the (lack of) importance of visually portraying each note on the keyboard. Face it, most people don't play the piano and those of us who do, aren't using these animations to learn the piano.
Yeah, I'd imagine it's kinda hard to animate a performance when your musician is a rabbit with four fingers on each hand :P
Lmao so true
Wes Anderson 's blind pianist on The Fantastic Mr Fox plays the claymation piano perfectly synchronized.
That was amazing, I wish more music sounded like that
Yeah I wished they added more realistic pianos in a show about an anthropomorphic rabbit that obliterates people with falling anvils and bombs
IKR? And let's not even get into the way Elmer Fudd's shotgun works....
@@tjsogmc and you can't forget the road runner that can run across canyons...
@@Delsanium of course, and the ever present painted tunnels on the sides of cliffs. It always bothered me that the animators couldn't get that simple physics correct.
@@tjsogmc Man, the audacity...
@@tjsogmc idk if I spelled it the right way for that version of the world lol
I find it very close to what it's supposed to be. Accurate enough for the average viewer who knows a little music to enjoy. It's a cartoon afterall, not a documentary
I thought it was the same. Had to watch it twice to hear the difference.
it's almost as if it was animated to entertain and not be snobbish
Yes, that's correct but like...
that's very time consuming and expensive to do
As a kid, I just wanted to see cartoons create drama lol, now that I’m older, I still just want to see cartoons create drama.
Animators were overworked and underpaid. Being mad that they didn't have the effort to actually research the piece to animate it accurately is the most snobby thing that I'd come expect of the music community.
Musicians are the snobbiest people in the world and they do expect perfection. That's nothing new.
That's one reason why I quit piano lessons a long time ago and have more respect for genres that lean heavily on experimental stuff.
I'm pretty sure it's just him that's getting mad at this mistake,NOT THE WHOLE MUSIC COMMUNITY lol
Exactly lmao, thnk god you said it. Seriously people dont see the struggle of animating smh.
That was actually a pretty good animation. I recon the director took film of a pianist before animating this.
This one could be its own theme for something
Granted, let's be fair
Animating piano-playing thats accurate to the actual piano music, is probably much harder, than playing said-piano music
"To be faaair"
On the other hand, you have the notes on the music. It's not like flute or violin where a non-musician doesn't know how it's done. Additionally, they have an entire music department with multiple pianos in the studio, and they took the time to make it look correct from a timing and relative position. Given how long it takes and how much care they took to animate this scene (since they could have easily changed the angle to hide the hands), you would think they would at least get the notes correct on such an important part of the short.
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Ikr. Like when Bugs sticks his finger in the barrel of Elmer's gun and it blows up in Elmer's face... so inaccurate. They should show BB hand getting mangled. I hate inaccuracies in cartoons 🙄
@@Benjamin1986980 It's a six minute cartoon made to give you a couple of laughs before the movie starts. Relax.
@@nicholasmuro1742 It's a fucking cartoon what do you expect? It's supposed to make kids laugh, not be realistic.
The most amusing part of these videos are the very people who - out of all the unrealistic stuff happening in cartoons - complain about the incorrect animation of playing instruments
FOR REAL 😂
I mean we don’t see scientists complaining about how wild coyote shouldn’t be able to walk and stand on thin air until he looks down so I hear ya but I understand how it could get annoying when it’s something you focus on daily.
@@BlueSoulGamer Obviously the coyote is in another planet with different rules of gravity
I'm actually surprised at how accurate it was
Bugs: I am the best pianist.
Tom: hold my cigarette.
TikTok Piano tutorial be like:
that would be literally random keys, gerry chiniquy did a better job at animating bugs playing the piano better than an average fame seeker tiktoker could play it
I was wondering why some people in the comments were pissed off, this seems like a light-hearted video? Then I read the description and saw the phrase "poorly animated". Yeah, probably a good idea to remove that. That's an unnecessary remark and a bit pretentious. This is still animated very well, it's just a bit inaccurate, but really who cares? It doesn't really matter, as a lot of other people have said.
Either way, good job figuring out what Bugs was "actually" playing, I thought that was fun
You need more attention
Right, like I don’t think a pianist is a better judge of what is or isn’t good animation than an actual animator who probably doesn’t get paid enough to care about these details anyway 😅
you gonna give it to him? and besides, he's right.
@@bobsegar1242 Animation is hard enough without focusing on accurate detail, it isn't a big deal.
Who did it first, Tom or Bugs Bunny? Because I have seen two videos in one day where those two are playing the piano, and the Tom one got an Oscar award for being accurate and creative, and if this one came after and not before, than BB was animated doing the same thing to capitalize on the fame, but if it's the reverse, Tom did it one better.
This makes you appreciate how much the team on Metalocalypse worked on accurately animating the finger patterns for when Skwisgaar and Toki played
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