(EDITED 19/03/2020) FOR CLARIFICATION: - This video was not intended to be a shitpost about British Ice Hockey. As an ice hockey fan who sees games regularly (Toronto Maple Leafs, Manchester Storm, Kolner Haie), it pains me that these are the reasons that keep ice hockey a minority sport over here. Unfortunately, I doubt things are going to change anytime soon. - A few commenters have deemed my points to be cruel and a little harsh. Whilst I'll admit that I could have eased off (especially pertaining to the national team because they've actually done well against the odds), nothing said in my video was untrue. This really is the current state of British Ice Hockey. - Here in the UK (as well as most other countries) - the world 'hockey' refers to field hockey, not ice hockey. And given that this is a video about UK Ice Hockey and that I am from the UK - I am well within my rights to use the terminology as designated by my country and most of the world. Please don't be an ignorant jackass, and understand that different countries call things by different words. Trying to 'correct me' on this matter will not be tolerated. - All but two of the 1936 Gold Medal team were born and raised in the UK. Two of them were born and raised in Canada. That does not make the entire team 'Canadian' regardless of where they learned their hockey skills. By right, they are eligible to represent Great Britain, and represent them they did. Currently, most of the U18 American National Soccer team are being trained at Manchester City's academy. That doesn't make them English, does it?! - For 'thintellectuals' that try and quote Wikipedia on me, especially pertaining to who created ice hockey, (which was unequivocally the Scottish) - you do realise that it contradicts itself in several pages right? I wouldn't expect any less from an online encyclopedia that a 5 year old can edit. Try reading actual books such as 'A History & Philosophy of Sports' by Mechikoff & Estes. Real research in a real book. - To invent something is to be the 'originator of'. Who originated the idea of play the game of hockey (where you hit an object into a goal) on the surface of ice? The Scottish, not the Canadians. - Let's be realistic about Liam Kirk - whilst he's a decent player, he's also a 7th round draft pick (189th overall). The odds of him making an NHL roster are slim and he's not even the best prospect at the Pete's. Not saying it's impossible, but the odds are definitely stacked against him. - For those people who dislike the video because they either can't face the truth, or acknowledge hockey's true roots is rather quite sad. I pity you if you have to create several accounts just to leave dislikes.
Hey Ninh. Could you make a video on the fall of the Magnificent Magyars? The Hungary team that went from knocking out Brazil and reaching WC finals to not making to the WC since 1986.
Yeah, it's very unfortunate. I wish the EIHL was less elitist between three clubs (in terms of finance), but it is what it is. Hopefully, the national team can stay in the top IIHF division, but even there I'm skeptical since Italy and France aren't really as good as Belarus (they're close but I think Belarus is underranked). If they somehow could, then I think it would only help viewership. I think hockey is on the 'ups' within the country, but it's still very gradual. I don't think it'll ever be able to compete w/ the top sports w/ funding. It'd take a massive hockey superstar to do this and even then it's quite uncertain. Sadly and also not so sadly, hockey is likely only going to get more competitive in the future w/ Norway's youth program getting better (also has some potential NHL future players), Kazakhstan's actually building rinks, and Hungary gives a damn about the sport (big things could happen there).
Thatwhat Many said in Finland ! That Our Soccer / Football Never makes it to 2020 EURO Tournament ! We just started to look for players - that werent making it - to JOIN THE FINNISH SOLUTION ! You may be # short # any color # born in any Country ! We have Swedes / Germans / Albanians / Slovakians / to MAKE OUR TEAM ! Just HAND OUT some UK Passports to Finnish & Bratislava Players !
@@holoholopainen1627 that defeats the whole idea of a national team and it becomes a mercinary force, just like France hockey team is just team Canada at this point
@@Rainaman- There are these two ways to Do It ! Hand Out Passports to players - That are OUTSIDE - Their NATIVE National Team ! #2 Start using ex players as Coach ! Finland HAS trained young players - by Many Different Coaches ! Thru Years / We have had Czech & Canadian & Swedes - with TOP SKILLS PROGRAMMES ! TODAY - We are The ONLY COUNTRY IN EUROPE - Where Ice Hockey is #1 SPORT !
Definitely not. Non competitive sports, no matter what sport, are boring as fuck to watch. I’d rather watch any premier league match than shitty hockey.
Ninh Ly Did you not see this past season? 5 teams were all in with a chance of winning the league title. Cardiff, Sheffield, Nottingham, Belfast and Coventry. Very rarely were teams destroyed in matches. ‘Rich’ teams like Sheffield and Cardiff were losing to poorer teams like Fife or Dundee.
@@millwaterj right ... all the rich teams. I'm not saying that teams like Manchester, Fife, Glasgow can't win against Sheffield, Nottingham and Cardiff. But in general, the rich teams win out ... and have done for the last 10 years.
I got into ice hockey a few years ago and watch the Chelmsford Chieftains. I don't care if it is not the NHL - the games are fantastic fun and there is a huge amount of skill on display.
@@jknowlesjk I saw one of those team jerseys in the video! I'm Canadian but I've been to Widnes, Runcorn, Warrington etc. but I didn't know you had a team there! My local junior team is the Carrot River Thunder and the Nipawin Hawks (Saskatchewan junior) but I'm an old Dad now and don't play. All the best to you in your playing days make the most of it while you are young!
Yep they have in Australia (AIHL) and in New Zealand (NZIHL) however I think both leagues only had 5 teams, but it’s still good. They live stream their games for free on the AIHL & NZIHL RUclips channels. And when their season starts, it’s everyone else off season!
I've been a hockey player my entire life, Always A or AA level. I would beat an old lady with a broken hockey stick to even be a 4th Liner in the EIHL or NIHL. Shitty pro hockey is better than 0 pro hockey, which is unfortunately what I play right now
Dude sounds like u grew up in Canada or something cus ur taking about A or AA level so I’m not sure what level it equates to but I’ve been playing 2 years (total if u take away the covid off time) and I’m playing 1 league below nihl (nihl1). You probably could make nihl
It didn't start at Rutgers. That "first college football game" involving Rutgers was more like how soccer was before the English added the rules against physical contact and hand touches. It was the Ivy League that first turned American Football into something we'd recognize today, particularly Yale and Harvard. Anything before the down and distance system was added by the Ivy League in 1882 would be better described as a disorganized form of rugby.
In short: the reason why England hasn't won since 1966, despite being the top nation for domestic football is simple: inability to evolve. - The FA is still being run by a group of old men that think they know better than the rest of the world. - The England National Team still plays the 'long ball game', which is heavily derided by the rest of the world and easily beaten. - It's only recently that they've started to match their playing style to that of France, Spain, Germany etc. It's a long coming, but finally there's progress.
Yes, under Gareth Southgate - they're trying to do things differently. Younger players, direct football, set plays ... and no pointlessly crossing the ball all game! They had a 4 year plan and it almost worked to perfection.
@@NinhLyUK People mocked England fans, rather mercilessly, for singing "it's coming home," but they were missing the point. The litany of England fans, for at least a decade, had become little more than "please don't be *too* rubbish," and the fact that the Three Lions were playing well enough for the possibility of them going all the way is remarkable. It was the sound of their fans believing in them again. It was the best England team I've ever seen, and I was around for the David Beckham era, when even their *bench warmers* were superstars.
At 1:58 number 4 in the red jersey is me!!! That’s my team I grew up playing for called the glacebay miners and we were playing the north side Vikings in Sydney mines Nova Scotia!!!!!!!
It’s easy to understand because we in Finland tend to have the same problem with football. We have a not-so-great league and little of funding. Luckily, because of the national team finally qualifying to an international tournament (yes, this was the first time ever) there seems to be a little light at the end the tunnel. So never lose your hope.
Yes I agree. It's not all doomed and for sure there's many positives. That said, I like Finland and Finnish people. And you guys play ice hockey so much better!
Tired: getting promoted to the top tier and getting crushed by everyone in the world championship Wired: get the entire tournament cancelled due to COVID-19 so you technically have the same success as Canada
"Ice hockey was invented by Scotland." Although it is easy enough to make this claim all you want, fact if the matter is shinty is indeed different than Canadian ice hockey as we know it today. I will accept that the roots of hockey, or it's concept comes from both shinty anc almost more so, field hockey... the ice hockey we all love is still Canadian. We do thank all of Scotland for helping us bring this game to what it is today. Peace, and thanks for the interesting video. I was always curious about why GBR have almost always been quite weak in international play as they have plenty of winter, and easily enough people living living there. This explains a lot.
Thanks. Obviously, it all depends on the point of view that you take. Most Canadians will swear down that ice hockey is a Canadian invention, but international countries will see it a different way. And yes, the UK should be better at ice hockey than it is right now. Blame the broken system for that.
@@NinhLyUK basketball has similar arguments. Canadian's like to claim it was a Canadian invention which is sort of correct. It was invented by a Canadian teaching in an American university. But if we are fair, Americans took the original game and changed it a lot into what we watch today. Curling too definitely a Scottish invention but Canadian's embraced that as well. And definitely one of the top contenders to deny us top spot.
Just because you invented shinny doesn't mean you than invented hockey. Its like saying you invented baseball because you invented rounders and cricket. Besides "Shinny" or variations of it was played all over world... at least in countries with cold winters and frozen lakes and ponds... Scotland just gave it a name.
Here in belfast the giants are one of the big teams we have football and rugby teams dotted around the place but as far as i know the giants have one of the largest seating capacities of any arena/stadium in the country apart from Windsor park (national stadium) and the largest stadium in the league. I go to games from time to time and the stadium is regularly packed, there is no lack of interest in Belfast. Correction second biggest in the league
It's a nice shindig at Belfast - been to a couple of games there and it's always a good time. Sadly, the rest can't be said about the rest of the country.
The Giants made a huge impact in Ice Hockey as they played a major role in uniting both sides of the divide in Belfast after the troubles. When I was younger I could always remember UTV talking about the Belfast Giants and the games were always packed. Sadly I couldn't name any other team in the league
This is a really accurate representation of why the sport is so difficult to get into and maintain in the uk?!! I played for 22 years before injury took me out of the game but oh my god I was blessed blesssssed to grow up in a town that had a rink Milton Keynes and yeah I used to travel from Milton Keynes to Cardiff to train for southwest England as a junior on a Friday night hahaha we have no structure here but fuck me what a sport
Believe it or not, they did. It's called the Manchester Arena, 17,500 state of the art hockey arena, that they now use predominantly for concerts because hockey wasn't a big enough draw. The same with the O2 in London.
It would have been more interesting to investigate how Britain actually declined from a top 5 nation in the early years of the sport to a backwater even in the European regional scene. My guess would be no investment in community rinks, doesn't matter how good you are now if your kids aren't playing.
I think introducing people to ice hockey and increasing participation largely starts on the outdoor rinks. I don't know what the winters are like in GB, but if your winters can sustain having more outdoor rinks built, I think that is a good place to get started. But until your domestic league becomes appealing enough to attract bigger crowds the rate of growth for the sport will be sparse. And to make it appealing, you need star power, and for star power, you need money so that they would actually sign with you, and for money, you need ticket revenue... And so on and so forth. But I think recent success with the GB national team you could see an influx of awareness to the sport -- along with the recent plans for a Canada vs GB national team friendly (which has been postponed ofc)
Sadly, the UK's winter weather is quite mild. You're lucky to get snow, so outdoor ice hockey is largely out. But obviously, you understand the rather vicious nasty circle that the UK is in for ice hockey. Good international successes would be key - but it's very slow progress, for sure.
What the NHL embraced in its southern US markets with limited ice capacity is lead with ball hockey and roller hockey as a means of introducing the sport to kids and adults. It could be a strong strategy for the UK and other markets that lack sufficiently cold winters.
Over a year later and I pretty sure the majority of ice rinks are struggling to keep its doors open in the UK. Very sad. Closest ice rink is a hour away and I live in a city with around 150k people. Should be one here!
One thing I wanna point out about the league structure in Canada. Highschool/College don't really...matter. When you get to the OHL ( Junior A ) it's usually through AAA/A prior. That's not to say that people *don't* come out of those leagues, but Junior A is where you want to be if your serious about getting to the NHL. Also - to answer the question about why you'd watch The Game rather than soccer? I'm a Canadian. If there's hockey, and I'm in the UK, I'm going to watch it.
I just made this point about junior hockey a year after you, hadn't read your comment. Even the lower junior leagues here in the Prairies are a big deal in small towns.
I think the UK needs a top league merger with one or more other Western European countries. Central Europe has some good level hockey when smaller countries provide a couple teams to a league covering many countries. That way there is more competition for roster spots and UK viewers get to see higher level international hockey.
To be honest, Chinese KHL team is much crazier idea than KHL team based in London. Brits at least have a national team that managed to get to the Elite division and has an actual hockey league. China is very far behind.
Been following the Devils for a few years now, although attended my first match (against Nottingham) a couple years back. I am noticing a small increase in local coverage over the past couple years, our Rock & 80's/90's Music station sponsors them and Wales Today (our BBC Local News program) usually gives them a 5 second mention in the end of their sports segment (Hey it's still more than the West Wales Raiders RL ever get. Although that might be for good reasons! 🤣)
I would even go as far as to say ice hockey in the UK is better than most people realise. We have a professional league, with some media coverage, and the GB team is in the top division of the World Championship. Some much more popular sports are not doing nearly as well as ice hockey, e.g. field hockey.
id really like to see you do a video on all the positives behind hockey in the uk, it might just help spread awareness of the sport and boost the profile a bit
@@NinhLyUKWell GB just made the top.pool of the World Championship despite the facts Ice Hockey isnt a mainstream sport and we have so few rinks.......so that shuts up an smart arse youtube troll like you.
@@NinhLyUK I would counter that with Belfast Giants. Full house 8,000 arena some games attracting enough ticket requests to fill a 15,000 seat arena if they had one. Season ticket waiting list, Extensive local media coverage. Regarded as the second most popular pro sports team in Northern Ireland after Ulster Rugby. The giants are very much a success story of UK Ice Hockey and the only downer for them is how few other teams in the UK have been able to attract the same level of local support from media and public.
To play Ice Hockey, you need to be able to ice skate. In my 20 years of life so far, I've been ice skating once when I was about 7 or 8 and I don't even live that far away from a rink (less than half an hour away by car) Football is a cheap game that's easy to play in a rudimentary form with essentially just a cheap ball, Ice Hockey is the opposite of that. The sport is too difficult to get into and this country doesn't have any of the infrastructure to compensate. People want to watch sports that they were able to play as a kid and where the pros are people like them, ordinary British kids from a normal background. Instead when they watch Ice Hockey they see foreigners and when they do see a Brit, they probably either grew up abroad or they were well off enough to afford all the ice time and equipment necessary to train at a high level. That's why football's popularity continues to grow and most other team sports can't get a foothold. Basketball has potential for growth but probably needs a lot of grassroots funding which it is never going to get
Jacob Springall ive skated since i was two and never joined a team by choice as id rather try out in a few years for a semi pro of professional team (im Scottish)
@Pete Perhaps a better way to explain it is this. When people watch football, they know that if they had had the natural talent and the work ethic to be a top footballer, then they would have been a top footballer. The game is accessible enough that anyone in this country could have made it if they were good enough. We'll never know how many Englishmen would have been naturally talented enough to be ice hockey players, because barely any have been able to try it out and many have never even been ice skating. So most people look at ice hockey and think, even if I was talented at this sport, we'll never know. Also to claim that there are barely any decent English players in the Premier League is ridiculous. 10 of Burnley's starting 11 were from the British Isles in their last game against Tottenham. Anyway, Its not necessarily whether that the players they're seeing are English or not, but that any Englishman who is good enough and works hard enough could be on the field.
I agree with you Jacob. There needs to be a solid grassroots participation, kids need to play this game and there needs to be a culture of it (like there is football). And even then, there needs to be a structure for kids to excel in the sport and become professionals themselves. Sadly, all three things are lacking here in Britain.
Saw the Nottingham Panthers (vs. Belfast) earlier this year as my first hockey game ever. I despise football (soccer), love watching American football, but have never seen an American football game in person. Frankly I found the game fantastic to watch, tho I have no doubt it would've been even more fantastic to watch an NHL game in person had I had the chance. I honestly didn't know we had a pro-league until seeing the game was suggested by a flatmate, but seeing it makes me wish we had a more developed system for the sport here. Honestly the biggest problem in my mind is that both the lack of a clear pathway from an early age and the lack of ice rinks around the country are a result of the sport being overshadowed/pushed out of the limelight by more popular sports like football, rugby, and the unbelievably inferior sport that is field hockey..... 😕
I totally agree. It's a shame that UK Ice Hockey is so badly organised, marketed and there are barely facilities that cater for it. Otherwise, I think it'd catch on. It worked in the 90's boom with the Super League, it can work again!
I've got to agree with you, I've never been to the UK but I've been looking into the British pro League since I found out about it a few months ago, the lack of focus on hockey and youth programs compared to say soccer (football, whatever, I'm across the pond) For example. And I'm certain the UK'S best players are likeley playing in the DEL or SHL or KHL Why not get paid more for your talents
@Sid Osmond I've been watching some old NHL games from the 90s, and people say the game is way faster these days, but I can't fully agree. It's faster flow overall, but I find hockey in the 90s had a better flow. It was gritty and slow but punctuated with alot of high speed high skill plays. And sure there was goonery, but I think it's better to have a guy to go out and clobber someone when they're fucking around instead of all the backhanded, behind the play, slewfooting and chopping. The enforcer role still exists, but you have to be able to produce as well, which is a good, natural progression of the game, but I feel that the current state of the NHL promotes alot of rattiness, with no leeway for enforcers to hold the rats accountable. The EIHL reminds me alot of the 90s era, that's why I like it. When I eventually find my way across the pond I'll be sure to watch a game while I'm there
I'm a hockey fan from Canada. I've followed the goings-on of the various incarnations of the British league as well as the other European Leagues for years. It's neat to see where former NHLer's have gone. It may be lower calliber than here, but we'll pay $10,$20,$30 to watch junior hockey, and they're not pro's yet. It's just an amazing game!
To be honest, Canadian Junior hockey is great! It's certainly the best value ticket in town. My relatives live in Mississauga and Brampton, and tickets to the Battalion and Ice Dogs games back in the day were cheap as hell. Great games to watch, I totally agree with your comment! :)
True but if you pay to go see the CHL then you are also seeing future stars. I feel spoiled here with baseball where the Cape Cod league. It is similar to the CHL but it's free. They actually have 50/50 raffles where you can win money or prizes.
@@NinhLyUK I went to high school with a guy who played for the Battalion. No doubt, if you're going to see a live game around here, OHL or AHL are the best bang for your buck
I live just outside of Detroit so for years and years we would go watch the Plymouth Whalers play. Tickets were either $12 or $15 depending on where you sat. it was great entertaining hockey, its a shame they moved an hour away
@@NinhLyUK I seriously doubt theres been a single NHLer that has been through EVERY one of those steps though TBH. Generally if you play major junior (CHL) you likely wont play college hockey (usually in the states). High school hockey here in Canada generally isnt nearly as big a deal as major junior, if you are a star player in a regular high school hockey team you might not even be able to crack a major junior team. Meanwhile if you are a star in the CHL you would completely demolish in any high school teams roster. Canadians tend to go through the CHL, Americans tend to go through their college system, though they sometimes do play on a CHL team (usually a team thats based in the US)... Very few American college teams would compete against an average CHL team, and a top CHL team would win at least 80% of the time against any American college team (IMHO). Now Baseball on the other hand has a more regimented minor league system (rookie league, low A, high A, AA, AAA, then MLB)
@@mikespark72 The CHL does pull players from all over, and I believe is the largest single source of prospects for the NHL. They do tend to have more Canadians than any other nationality, but there's definitely been a good collection of Russians and Swedes who have played in the league.
Hockey is a minority sport in the the UK but still Europe’s top 35 & 42nd supported teams come from the UK. The reason it doesn’t get the investment of most countries and leagues is the competition with other sports like Football ⚽️ Rugby 🏉 Cricket 🏏 Horse racing 🏇it’s simple. Yet the National team is still in group A with the USA etc Hockey doesn’t actually SUCK in the UK as British teams have had some success in European comps and attracted some quality from the NHL to the league like someone said The Fleury came to our league not a richer league like the DEL or Swiss league. As for Rinks it’s supply and demand does Toronto have more than 1000 football pitches? I live in Wakefield I have 5 rinks close to me but 10 professional football teams. Why also is the Elite league not elite it’s the best league in GB 🇬🇧 with full time players?
Recommendation to change the title to “Why British Ice Hockey Should Be More Popular” or “Why UK Ice Hockey Isn’t Popular” because it does sadly come off as a bit of a shitpost, The national team has made unbelievable strides in the last few years after being actually terrible before and the league is moving away from the stereotype of ‘this is where nhlers come to end their careers’ as you can see that we’ve now got a permanent spot in the CHL and in regards to Liam Kirk, no one expected him to make the NHL 2 years after he was drafted so you can’t unnecessarily rip on Kirk when there are segments on North American NHL shows about him and the EIHL. The lack of recognition by the general public and the BBC does hurt the sports potential in this country though, that is true and the playoffs do need to be harder to win because the league is still the main trophy when in every other league in the world, the playoffs is the big one. Also throw aggregate into a fucking volcano because it sucks.
Thanks for commenting and your suggestion. - Obviously you read my top comment, where I openly admitted being a little harsh on the national team. Yes, I fully acknowledge that they've done very well compared to years gone by. But on a world stage, they're still largely not competitive with the likes of Russia, the US, Canada etc. Which for a first world country - I find frustrating. - Liam Kirk - let's look at the situation realistically. He's a 7th round pick (189th overall) from one of the worst teams in the NHL. You and I both know that draft picks that low barely make it into the NHL, if at all. He looks like a decent player, and I hope he proves me wrong. But I've watched enough ice hockey to know that the odds are stacked heavily against him. - Yes, I agree that the lack of coverage especially from the BBC is quite shocking - given that they've lost the rights to almost every other sport. Why not show ice hockey? - And I totally 100% agree with getting rid of aggregate. Bloody awful!
Ninh Ly - I totally understand your point, the mix with the lack in popularity and not as much home grown talent has an effect but the team has made unbelievable strides and showed that they’re not just a team that goes to the WCs one year then goes straight back down. - Yes I understand about Kirk, it’s not impossible for him to make the NHL but you never know, they have a good system in Peterborough but yes it’s highly unlikely but the fact that a British born and trained player was good enough to get drafted is amazing but compared to other countries like Germany, Austria, Czechia and Slovakia, there’s still work to be done. - Everyone agrees with it mate don’t worry, every year the BBC Sport page asks viewers “what sport would you like to see more of?” 90% of those comments are ice hockey, yet they remain ignorant and not show it. - Aggregate sucks, like really sucks. Even a 3 game series to get to the playoff weekend would make it more interesting! Here’s an example, say Dundee gets Belfast in the first round and its aggregate, the giants win the first game like 5-0, what can Dundee do now? All the better team needs to do is play a defensive game and shut the weaker team out. Hence why there’s a lack of variety of teams at the PO final weekend every year. If there was even a 3 game series then teams like Dundee, Fife, Manchester would still have a chance as they would have 2 games to fight for their place instead of getting blown out in one game and their season be over, it’s shit. Thank you for responding mate, it shocked me that you were a UK ice hockey fan to be honest, thought it would be some Canadian shitposter ripping on us for no reason 😂🇬🇧
At Bratislava 2019 - Top 16 - The GB / UK Hockey Won over THE FRENCH ( Made it to Switzerland - Top 16 ) ! So if You say that Hockey is NO GOOD - so Whatabout The French ? Many of The Worlds Hockey Players are speaking French - LEMIEUX - FLEURY - RICHARD - BOSSY - and Many Others ! Sorry That I just Cant spell Their Names !
The reason being is u get it in every country about a sport like u have Australia its rugby and cricket same with new Zealand Canada possibly I've hockey America nfl nhl baseball Scotland Rugby and football same with Wales and Ireland Italy football Rugby France football Rugby
Well, it sure is a shame. I'm fairly local to Guildford and have never liked football but always played ice hockey video games and watched related movies. Now I've quit drinking I wanted to perhaps start watching some games for real. I'm not a fan of the fighting, though and this video isn't very encouraging lol I'll still go for sure, but I always wondered why our "stadium" was so small. I walk through to skate sometimes and think "where do people stand/sit? 😂"
Hey Ninh, Clan fan here. Pretty accurate description of the sport in the UK but you can’t really compare it to the NHL. No country in the world has a league that compares with the NHL as it takes all the best players from wherever they have learnt their hockey. Despite its obvious problems I’d still rather pay eighteen quid to watch an EIHL game than twice that to watch Premier League football. It might not be top quality hockey but games are still pretty exciting. I see you have a soft spot for the Storm. I was in Alty a couple of weeks ago for the Clan game and it really is a dive. Good atmosphere in the place though.
I think the KHL is close in terms of playing standard, though there's no doubt that the NHL pays the most amount of money. Can you compare like for like? Of course not. But even if you compared the Elite League to the DEL, or the Elitesarien, the organisation and money is terrible in comparison. I used to watch the original Manchester Storm back in the mid 90's. It was a great atmosphere, the arena was world class (what's now the Manchester Arena, whatever you want to call it) and the standard was pretty decent. Sadly, this new iteration of the Manchester Storm plays like crap, the atmosphere isn't what it used to be, and Altrincham Ice Rink is a dump that's hard to get to. I like ice hockey just as much as you, but when there's no shortage of entertainment for your hard earned money (United, City, Sale Sharks, Wigan Warriors etc.) - something has to give. I'm sadly not the only one that thinks so.
@@NinhLyUK Oh I know. I took my sister along to that Storm v Clan game. She was quite into the original Storm and this was her first time in Alty. She was less than impressed! I was happy as Clan won though, even if I couldn't see a third of the action due to the terrible sight lines. I used to be an Ayr Eagles fan and those few years of the ISL were great. The Storm and the Eagles went kaput within a week of each other in 2002. The EIHL isn't quite as good in but somehow it's lasted seventeen years despite its failings.
Oh yeah, the old Super League days were the best! Ayr were always a nasty team to play against, makes for good watching. And believe it or not, that's my point. The Elite League has somehow regressed from the Super League ... it almost seems a step backwards in my opinion.
Really I saw that the oldest stick was in Nova Scotia and yes I am aware that Nova Scotia means new Scotland and When i researched it read Ice hockey is believed to have evolved from simple stick and ball games played in the 18th and 19th centuries in the United Kingdom and elsewhere. ... The contemporary sport of ice hockey was developed in Canada, most notably in Montreal, where the first indoor hockey game was played on March 3, 1875.
CLAP .... CLAP .... CLAP Congratulations, you read Wikipedia for 30 seconds. Try reading several books, including 'A History & Philosophy of Sports' by Mechikoff & Estes. Deny it all you want, but Ice Hockey is a Scottish invention. The first games played preceded Canada as a country. Whether they used a ball or puck is irrelevant.
Ninh Ly It wasn’t just the Scottish. It was brought over by British soldiers and there were different versions of the same game across the British isles. Saying it was just Scottish excludes the Irish game of Hurling and how puck also has Irish origin. Shinty and Hurling are similar. They might have made one sport out of the two sports the British soldiers were playing.
@@NinhLyUK no ninh, you are actually wrong. The Scottish invented a game called ice shinty, an ancestor of ice hockey; it is also known as bandy. That sport uses a ball and not a hockey puck. Read all about it here. collections.musee-mccord.qc.ca/scripts/explore.php?Lang=1&tableid=11&tablename=theme&elementid=60__true&contentlong
You claim to a fan but don't talk about the positives. The video is only going to turn people away from Hockey not make them want to watch it. As you are a "Fan" you should know more than anyone that all teams struggle for getting new fans on board. Videos like this are going to kill the sport. Most of the thing you say are right, but you don't give both sides either the issues brought up isn't something we as fans can change and I doubt Chairman Tony Smith is going to watch this.
Growing up for me, soccer was that sport that every kid played as a summer past-time, and never took all that seriously. I think i've known like, 3 people ever that did any sort of training on their own time to improve on a soccer field.
Do a video like this on the bbl (basketball in Britain). Is interesting since basketball is popular in the uk with high participation and nba viewing but no one watches the domestic game
Ninh Ly nice one mate. Hope there’s a few mentions of my team the Newcastle Eagles 🦅. Must be said tho they key imo for the bbl is to get a few community based teams in London and Birmingham. Trying to fill the copperbox is dumb when you could have a Croydon, Kingston, Clapham etc based teams playing out of a leisure centre with 2,000 or so die hard fans. Kinda the model eagles took with the community arena
I think the lack of marketing, awareness and grassroots development has more impact than the facilities. The Copperbox is a fine facility, shame there aren't more of them.
Ninh Ly problem is fans/participation hot beds are london and Birmingham which often don’t have teams, and attendance is low at the copper-box since it’s central London and isn’t tapping into a community fan base. I think there is a big potential to get teams in London to be successful if they are tied to community’s. Big arenas with no fans only works for a few seasons. See what happened to the lions this year. The Royals are doing well but I do fear that they can’t sustainably fill the copper box. Ownership of the court is also very important for playing in Europe, as Leicester have found and Eagles are planning for
Yes, I do agree with stable ownership - but not necessarily owning the court. Lots of pro sports teams in this country don't own the stadium they play in and it's fine. But when you're like the Manchester Giants, and literally play in a different place every season, you're not doing any favours to anyone.
Im not too sure if i agree with you on a few things on the video, some things like the facilities etc are 100% true... Buuuuuut the sport is ever so slowly growing and so is the media coverage, freesports shows a Elite Leauge game every week and last year the Challenge Cup finals were on the bbc red button. As for Liam Kirk he hasnt played for they Coyotes as he is a prospect and is playing Junior Hockey with the Petes like 99% of young nhl draftees. Feel you missed a trick too not talking about Nottingham, Sheffield or Belfast where the sport is very well supported and really does boom
You're entitled to your opinion, of course. I did mention that Ice Hockey is making progress albeit very slowly (with TV coverage, progress of the National Team etc.) One thing I won't move on is Liam Kirk. Let's face facts, whilst he's a decent player, he's also a 7th round draft pick. The odds of him making an NHL roster are slim given that 188 players were picked before him. He's not even the best prospect at the Petes. As for talking about Nottingham and Sheffield, I could have spoken about that ... and the fact that the richest teams with the best facilities generally wins everything, thus making it an unfair game. But that'd just be putting petrol on a fire.
That’s honestly more than I imagined. My family is Colombian, I’ve visited Colombia many times, and I only recently discovered that hockey exists in Colombia.
I wonder whats the IIHF ranking. And to be fair, after gaining independence from USSR (Latvia), we had around 5-6 rinks. Once we got thru destroying low tier teams (in 1993 32-0 against Israel) and getting in elite group, in our first years we destroyed Russia and US. And got in quarter finals and came close to semi-finals. It is all down to motivation and popularity of the sport.
You also have to understand that in Canada and the northern USA kids can walk down to the local pond in the winter and play pickup hockey. Rinks arent even necessarily needed. This is something you cannot do in most of england.
Ninh Ly that is how they get the money to pay for their teams if they had nothing they wouldn’t be able to obviously they can’t pay 650k per player because no quite frank we couldn’t be like the nhl if we tried it’s just not possible also it ain’t 20 quid to watch hockey but even if it was I’d rather watch hockey than football anyday
I mean they have to differentiate from field hockey. Like here in canada if u say hockey people just assume that you are talking about ice hockey but field hockey isnt really big here in canada compared to ice hockey. Field hockey however is probably (and i say probably because i don’t actually know the numbers on weather this is true or not but i am pretty sure it is) bigger than ice hockey in the uk thus if u were to say hockey in the uk the opposite would happen than in Canada and people would assume you are talking about field hockey instead.
@@JiManMasTeR that's exactly my point. If you have to differentiate, it's because hockey has very low recognition in that location. Whenever someone calls it ice hockey, I know right away it is likely because hockey has a low status where they come from.
sportkoop not really... it just means there is another form of hockey which is bigger or as big as ice hockey. It doesnt tell you anything about how it is viewed there.
Murrayfield Racers > Edinburgh Caps. Also, it genuinely irritates me that Ice Hockey is such a small sport over here and that somehow, Football, the sport where you can actually not touch another person but still dive to the floor and writhe about in pain, is somehow bigger and more entertaining than a fast paced, physical sport like hockey. Completely baffles me! Football is pathetic. I was very fortunate to catch two games whilst in Calgary and my god. It was an incredible atmosphere and an incredible experience in general. Our country does sports wrong. Period. Go Flames go, mon the Clan!
I agree with most of your points. Don't agree with football being a 'pathetic' sport, but the NHL certainly does hockey better, and I don't just mean the on ice product. The game atmosphere and the environment around is ace. Certainly way better than the Elite League.
@@NinhLyUK It's all a matter of opinion really, I personally cannot stand football at all. The one thing I did find in the NHL is there isn't really much in way of chants, going from a Glasgow game to a Calgary game was strange, the second the puck touches the ice, it's silent, bar the few times everyone chants go flames go, but that's it. Otherwise it was an amazing experience!
@@mrmachinehead8059 Fair point. On my American road trip a couple of years ago, I watched the Vegas Golden Knights and the LA Kings. Both teams crushed Calgary mercilessly (4-0 and 3-0) .... but I totally recommend seeing a game in Vegas ... ruclips.net/video/QjJfyZybBws/видео.html
Back in '96 I used to watch Manchester Storm play at the arena, it was fantastic, huge crowds, lots of buzz about the sport. I still watch Storm now at a local ice rink and feel for the players, the game is obviously just as good as it was but they deserve better. I hope it takes off again!
Good breakdown. Ya, U.K is a lost cause, Japan, and S.Korea are more organized, with more participation, and awareness than the U.K. I think the top reason is the money needed to play ( equipment..rinks..travel..) and the incredible difficulties, which require incredible commitment to harness the incredible skill needed to play. Soccer really isn't much of a skill sport when compared to hockey, not even close...Anyone, i mean anyone can afford a soccer ball, and learn how to kick , pass and travel with it VERY easily over a few weeks, or days, not much skill is needed to play. To excel, become a pro that requires more commitment yes, but its the initial learning curve that anyone can handle men or women, children, or adults, poor, or rich, anywhere anytime. Not so with hockey, its a very difficult game to learn, requiring allot of practice. You cant just go buy set of skates, stick and puck and think in a years time you will be able to hop into any pick game, nope. In a year, you still wouldnt have great stopping, turning, edging skill...and def backward skating would be non existent, other than maybe drifting backwards. 4-5 yrs you would have those skills. So the average cost to parents, the time commitments needed to learn the skills 4-5 yrs of consistent skating, puck handling, stopping, turning, blade work, stick work, coordination, shooting tiny puck into A TINY goal..Hockey is by far the most highly skilled sport on earth, so many dynamics to the game, sol much skill, athleticism, endurance, and mental capacity is needed its no wonder so many quit within 2-3 yrs, even here in Canada.
I always wondered why Britain wasn’t more into hockey. I thought it was probably because football is a bigger sport worldwide, and you guys invented that too. Plus it’s so cheap to play by comparison - however, not for us. While it is expensive for ice fees, equipment, league fees, travel, etc., don’t forget Canada has ice in winter in even the warmest of our localities. All we need are skates & a twig for that…and a pond, lake, river, or a hose & a yard, lol. But I can give you one tip that would make it a better spectator sport almost immediately…stop playing on that giant ass IIHF rink, and start playing on an NHL regulation sized rink. It’s smaller, so the end to end action is faster. Sometimes it’s like watching a human pinball game. More exciting in my opinion.
It's crazy to think that ice time in North America is already expensive and the Brits are paying even more. the lack of ice available is a huge issue for sure
Fun fact: When the Gaelic Athletic Association was founded in Ireland, they banned anyone who participated in or even watched a "foreign" sport. This included association football, rugby, cricket and ice hockey.
@@3dsaulgoodman43 The ban is gone since 1972.It wasn't that you weren't allowed to play other sports it only applied to english sports and even the english sports you could play them,but the GAA would kick you out,so you couldn't play gaelic football and soccer at the same time as happens all the time now.The GAA would even ban you if you went to a fundraising dinner in a rugby club. not sure if it applied to ice hockey though i think it was only field hockey,because ice hockey was canadian and would not have been much of a threat.
My dad played soccer under a fake name as a youngster while he carried on playing Hurling. The total ban has been gone since the 70s but Gaelic grounds still get windy about other sporting codes using their facilities. It's usually just british sports like rugby and soccer this applies to. They have an American football game hosted in croke park every year, and that's supposedly hallowed ground for Gaelic games.
The NHL needs to show these guys some exhibition games. That way the ice hockey community around the UK would be more interested and eventually as people have more passion towards the sport there will be better players and better teams.
They tried that with the NHL Premiere in London. Once they realised they were fighting a losing battle, they never came back. They go to every other country in Europe now.
Lol, this video is full of smug nonsense. Canada invented modern ice hockey, full stop. It's an amalgamation of shinty, hurling, bandy and a game called ricket played by various native tribes. While it absolutely has roots to those various games brought over by European immigrants to Canada (why wouldn't it?), the game played today was born, bred, molded and entirely hashed out here in Canada. Get as pissy as you'd like but there is no denying this.
The eihl is growing and getting more well known. Its now shown live regularly on free sports with a weekly highlight show. I generally go from watching Rotherham united straight through to Sheffield arena to watch steelers as do a lot. Kirky is quality and doing the same as majority of players his age in playing in the ohl.
I'd argue that the Super League era was more attended, more watched on TV too. As for Liam Kirk, he's decent. But a 189th overall draft pick on one of the worst team in the NHL - I don't fancy his chances.
@@NinhLyUK not saying kirky will make it over there, just stating he's currently playing we're the majority of lads his age are. He's been playing well this season and was given an A if he's playing in the ahl next season he's got as good a chance as anyone to make an appearance in the nhl. If he's playing at a club you say isn't the best then shouldn't that give him more of a chance?
@@MarcT7761 I'm an hour outside of Toronto, Bolton's my team , I have several jerseys and hats .Bolton was my dad's home town, we have really good football coverage over hear on Saturdays, used to see them play quite often but not anymore since relegation.
@@shawnwhite1972 I work minutes away from the (now newly named) Bolton university stadium,formerly Reebok (the company started in Bolton) Me...I'm a Liverpool fan due to my father being a Scouser
I love the line that even the guys running the league don't know what's happening most of the time but I will say that even in football (soccer), the most watched sport in the UK the guys at the top don't know what's happening either so that's not just an ice hockey problem
Great video, cool to learn about this stuff! The only thing is hockey was invented in Nova Scotia, CA. I’m aware that translates to New Scotland but the sport was invented in the province
Believe it or not, they do that. Instead of paying players with money, they paid them with education from an affiliated University. Edinburgh Capitals had a deal with Heriot Watt University, Nottingham Trent university did the same with the Panthers etc.
I'm surprised that the Calgary Flames haven't sued Guildford mercilessly! Another knockoff is the Bracknell Bees. They blatantly stole from the Sarnia Sting.
As someone who grew up watching EHL games, I think UK hockey is awesome. Having a bog-standard arena gives it such a special underground feeling that you could never get with NHLs hockey, which cares more about promoting lexus cars.
Ninh Ly dude you really don’t know that much about how much imports make and the perks such as mbes that players can get for free playing in the league
For organized team sports, the UK is only competitive in the sport of Futbol aka Soccer... For such a developed 1st World country, it is surprising that you never see the UK at all in Hockey, Basketball or Baseball in international competition such as the Olympics, etc.
(EDITED 19/03/2020) FOR CLARIFICATION:
- This video was not intended to be a shitpost about British Ice Hockey. As an ice hockey fan who sees games regularly (Toronto Maple Leafs, Manchester Storm, Kolner Haie), it pains me that these are the reasons that keep ice hockey a minority sport over here. Unfortunately, I doubt things are going to change anytime soon.
- A few commenters have deemed my points to be cruel and a little harsh. Whilst I'll admit that I could have eased off (especially pertaining to the national team because they've actually done well against the odds), nothing said in my video was untrue. This really is the current state of British Ice Hockey.
- Here in the UK (as well as most other countries) - the world 'hockey' refers to field hockey, not ice hockey. And given that this is a video about UK Ice Hockey and that I am from the UK - I am well within my rights to use the terminology as designated by my country and most of the world. Please don't be an ignorant jackass, and understand that different countries call things by different words. Trying to 'correct me' on this matter will not be tolerated.
- All but two of the 1936 Gold Medal team were born and raised in the UK. Two of them were born and raised in Canada. That does not make the entire team 'Canadian' regardless of where they learned their hockey skills. By right, they are eligible to represent Great Britain, and represent them they did. Currently, most of the U18 American National Soccer team are being trained at Manchester City's academy. That doesn't make them English, does it?!
- For 'thintellectuals' that try and quote Wikipedia on me, especially pertaining to who created ice hockey, (which was unequivocally the Scottish) - you do realise that it contradicts itself in several pages right? I wouldn't expect any less from an online encyclopedia that a 5 year old can edit. Try reading actual books such as 'A History & Philosophy of Sports' by Mechikoff & Estes. Real research in a real book.
- To invent something is to be the 'originator of'. Who originated the idea of play the game of hockey (where you hit an object into a goal) on the surface of ice? The Scottish, not the Canadians.
- Let's be realistic about Liam Kirk - whilst he's a decent player, he's also a 7th round draft pick (189th overall). The odds of him making an NHL roster are slim and he's not even the best prospect at the Pete's. Not saying it's impossible, but the odds are definitely stacked against him.
- For those people who dislike the video because they either can't face the truth, or acknowledge hockey's true roots is rather quite sad. I pity you if you have to create several accounts just to leave dislikes.
Hey Ninh. Could you make a video on the fall of the Magnificent Magyars? The Hungary team that went from knocking out Brazil and reaching WC finals to not making to the WC since 1986.
Yeah, I'll consider it!
I love you for including the Kölner Haie! It's my hometown team :) are you a fan?
@@bsivbv1268 I sure am. Seen them several times, I even went to the DEL Winter Game against Dusseldorf. Great times!
Yeah, it's very unfortunate. I wish the EIHL was less elitist between three clubs (in terms of finance), but it is what it is. Hopefully, the national team can stay in the top IIHF division, but even there I'm skeptical since Italy and France aren't really as good as Belarus (they're close but I think Belarus is underranked). If they somehow could, then I think it would only help viewership. I think hockey is on the 'ups' within the country, but it's still very gradual. I don't think it'll ever be able to compete w/ the top sports w/ funding. It'd take a massive hockey superstar to do this and even then it's quite uncertain. Sadly and also not so sadly, hockey is likely only going to get more competitive in the future w/ Norway's youth program getting better (also has some potential NHL future players), Kazakhstan's actually building rinks, and Hungary gives a damn about the sport (big things could happen there).
I mean, I'd make sense for ice hockey to be from scotland, since the Queen has Maurice Richard's 500th goal hockey puck. No joke!
Rusty Ralston but it's Scottish so stop taking things away from us god
Believe it or not, I actually didn't know that!
Lord Stanley, whom the Stanley cup is named after, was from Preston, Lancashire.
ice hockey is canadian where did this guy get it from? google it up
Yeah It was created in Canada 😆 first time I've heard it was created anywhere else. Same as basketball was created by a Canadian in the states.
The sun never rises for the British ice hockey team.
Apparently not, no.
Thatwhat Many said in Finland ! That Our Soccer / Football Never makes it to 2020 EURO Tournament ! We just started to look for players - that werent making it - to JOIN THE FINNISH SOLUTION ! You may be # short # any color # born in any Country ! We have Swedes / Germans / Albanians / Slovakians / to MAKE OUR TEAM ! Just HAND OUT some UK Passports to Finnish & Bratislava Players !
@@holoholopainen1627 that defeats the whole idea of a national team and it becomes a mercinary force, just like France hockey team is just team Canada at this point
@@Rainaman- There are these two ways to Do It ! Hand Out Passports to players - That are OUTSIDE - Their NATIVE National Team ! #2 Start using ex players as Coach ! Finland HAS trained young players - by Many Different Coaches ! Thru Years / We have had Czech & Canadian & Swedes - with TOP SKILLS PROGRAMMES ! TODAY - We are The ONLY COUNTRY IN EUROPE - Where Ice Hockey is #1 SPORT !
@@Valokaari Their vice captain is of Slovak decent and was born in Slovakia. And a Dutch player from Amsterdam with a Finnish mother.
Theoren Fleury ended his career playing for the Belfast Giants as a 37 year old. He had 74 points in 34 games.
That's true! Well remembered! :)
Chris Swann I remember his first game for the Giants well!
Fleury playing in UK hockey for me was like Beckham going to the MLS. It sort of helped to raise the profile of the league a bit.
83 grams in 34 games? Not in his prime.e
Probably why there are flames fans from there.
Might just be me, but I’d watch shitty hockey over any type of soccer!
Yeah, I get why you'd say that.
for sure that is just facts
me too x10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000%
I agree
Definitely not. Non competitive sports, no matter what sport, are boring as fuck to watch. I’d rather watch any premier league match than shitty hockey.
"why would you pay 20 gbp to watch 2nd rate hockey and 3rd rate players" Because hockey is actually fun to watch
Good competitive ice hockey is.
Watching Sheffield whale on someone 17-0 because they're one of the richest teams ... not so much.
Ninh Ly that does not happen anymore
Ninh Ly
Did you not see this past season? 5 teams were all in with a chance of winning the league title.
Cardiff, Sheffield, Nottingham, Belfast and Coventry.
Very rarely were teams destroyed in matches. ‘Rich’ teams like Sheffield and Cardiff were losing to poorer teams like Fife or Dundee.
@@NinhLyUK that shows how out of date you are
@@millwaterj right ... all the rich teams. I'm not saying that teams like Manchester, Fife, Glasgow can't win against Sheffield, Nottingham and Cardiff. But in general, the rich teams win out ... and have done for the last 10 years.
I got into ice hockey a few years ago and watch the Chelmsford Chieftains.
I don't care if it is not the NHL - the games are fantastic fun and there is a huge amount of skill on display.
Good luck to you Brits! It would be nice to see new faces in the championships, that may even surprise you.
Greetings from the Czech Republic.
Yes, that would be good.
Thank you very much! :)
i’m a uk hockey player (under 15s) and i have 2 players from the czech republic on my team! (widnes wild)
@@jknowlesjk I saw one of those team jerseys in the video! I'm Canadian but I've been to Widnes, Runcorn, Warrington etc. but I didn't know you had a team there! My local junior team is the Carrot River Thunder and the Nipawin Hawks (Saskatchewan junior) but I'm an old Dad now and don't play. All the best to you in your playing days make the most of it while you are young!
*I just found out today that the U.K actually has Ice hockey.*
Learn something new every day ,huh?
There's an Australian ice league too
@@hotrodjones74 really ?
@@hotrodjones74 w... wh.. what?
Yep they have in Australia (AIHL) and in New Zealand (NZIHL) however I think both leagues only had 5 teams, but it’s still good. They live stream their games for free on the AIHL & NZIHL RUclips channels. And when their season starts, it’s everyone else off season!
I've been a hockey player my entire life, Always A or AA level. I would beat an old lady with a broken hockey stick to even be a 4th Liner in the EIHL or NIHL. Shitty pro hockey is better than 0 pro hockey, which is unfortunately what I play right now
I see.
Dude sounds like u grew up in Canada or something cus ur taking about A or AA level so I’m not sure what level it equates to but I’ve been playing 2 years (total if u take away the covid off time) and I’m playing 1 league below nihl (nihl1). You probably could make nihl
At least you play ice hockey I’m so jealous
You know your league sucks when Paul Bissonnette was one of your top players.
Hey dont disrespect biznasty like that
Bissonnette wasn't a top player. He played 10 games in a Lockout season.
I think the top player that ever came over here was Theo Fleury during the lockout (Belfast Giants).
Either him or Wade Belak! (RIP Wade.)
@@NinhLyUK, definitely Fleury. In terms of high profile over skills, Cam Janssen and Big Ern McGrattan were up there too.
@@NinhLyUK Wade was a legit enforcer. He Ko'd Donald Brashear and Brashear has the best record of all the enforcers.
College football start at Rutgers Look at them now
Interesting example.
Losing 76-0 to Michigan LMAO
@@nathanellis622 and I think 77-3 or something to that school from Ohio
It didn't start at Rutgers. That "first college football game" involving Rutgers was more like how soccer was before the English added the rules against physical contact and hand touches. It was the Ivy League that first turned American Football into something we'd recognize today, particularly Yale and Harvard. Anything before the down and distance system was added by the Ivy League in 1882 would be better described as a disorganized form of rugby.
@@maninredhelm what did they add the down and distance system *to*?
I'd love to know how you're getting tickets for the Utd-City game for 20 quid.
It's at City 😉
I don’t think you can beat ice hockey for value for money 🎉
Why England has never won the world cup after 1966?
Short answer, because the game isn't the same as it was 50+ years ago. Back in the 1950s, and prior, *Hungary* were a world football powerhouse.
In short: the reason why England hasn't won since 1966, despite being the top nation for domestic football is simple: inability to evolve.
- The FA is still being run by a group of old men that think they know better than the rest of the world.
- The England National Team still plays the 'long ball game', which is heavily derided by the rest of the world and easily beaten.
- It's only recently that they've started to match their playing style to that of France, Spain, Germany etc.
It's a long coming, but finally there's progress.
@@NinhLyUK Is that why they performed so well in the World Cup?
Yes, under Gareth Southgate - they're trying to do things differently. Younger players, direct football, set plays ... and no pointlessly crossing the ball all game! They had a 4 year plan and it almost worked to perfection.
@@NinhLyUK People mocked England fans, rather mercilessly, for singing "it's coming home," but they were missing the point. The litany of England fans, for at least a decade, had become little more than "please don't be *too* rubbish," and the fact that the Three Lions were playing well enough for the possibility of them going all the way is remarkable. It was the sound of their fans believing in them again. It was the best England team I've ever seen, and I was around for the David Beckham era, when even their *bench warmers* were superstars.
At 1:58 number 4 in the red jersey is me!!! That’s my team I grew up playing for called the glacebay miners and we were playing the north side Vikings in Sydney mines Nova Scotia!!!!!!!
Cool dude, you're famous!
Great ! You got some coverage right there ! Well Done !
Nkce
thats acc sick
Wow
It’s easy to understand because we in Finland tend to have the same problem with football. We have a not-so-great league and little of funding. Luckily, because of the national team finally qualifying to an international tournament (yes, this was the first time ever) there seems to be a little light at the end the tunnel. So never lose your hope.
Yes I agree. It's not all doomed and for sure there's many positives.
That said, I like Finland and Finnish people. And you guys play ice hockey so much better!
Tired: getting promoted to the top tier and getting crushed by everyone in the world championship
Wired: get the entire tournament cancelled due to COVID-19 so you technically have the same success as Canada
Interesting take. Totally agree!
This the ex boxer?
"Ice hockey was invented by Scotland."
Although it is easy enough to make this claim all you want, fact if the matter is shinty is indeed different than Canadian ice hockey as we know it today.
I will accept that the roots of hockey, or it's concept comes from both shinty anc almost more so, field hockey... the ice hockey we all love is still Canadian.
We do thank all of Scotland for helping us bring this game to what it is today.
Peace, and thanks for the interesting video. I was always curious about why GBR have almost always been quite weak in international play as they have plenty of winter, and easily enough people living living there. This explains a lot.
Thanks. Obviously, it all depends on the point of view that you take.
Most Canadians will swear down that ice hockey is a Canadian invention, but international countries will see it a different way.
And yes, the UK should be better at ice hockey than it is right now. Blame the broken system for that.
@@NinhLyUK basketball has similar arguments. Canadian's like to claim it was a Canadian invention which is sort of correct. It was invented by a Canadian teaching in an American university. But if we are fair, Americans took the original game and changed it a lot into what we watch today.
Curling too definitely a Scottish invention but Canadian's embraced that as well. And definitely one of the top contenders to deny us top spot.
Just because you invented shinny doesn't mean you than invented hockey. Its like saying you invented baseball because you invented rounders and cricket. Besides "Shinny" or variations of it was played all over world... at least in countries with cold winters and frozen lakes and ponds... Scotland just gave it a name.
Considering how Ice Hockey in Canada took root in largely Celtic communities it's no surprise.
@@NinhLyUK You could use the same argument to say that China invented football...
Here in belfast the giants are one of the big teams we have football and rugby teams dotted around the place but as far as i know the giants have one of the largest seating capacities of any arena/stadium in the country apart from Windsor park (national stadium) and the largest stadium in the league. I go to games from time to time and the stadium is regularly packed, there is no lack of interest in Belfast.
Correction second biggest in the league
It's a nice shindig at Belfast - been to a couple of games there and it's always a good time.
Sadly, the rest can't be said about the rest of the country.
The Giants made a huge impact in Ice Hockey as they played a major role in uniting both sides of the divide in Belfast after the troubles. When I was younger I could always remember UTV talking about the Belfast Giants and the games were always packed. Sadly I couldn't name any other team in the league
Ninh Ly lol can’t disagree with you there
This is a really accurate representation of why the sport is so difficult to get into and maintain in the uk?!! I played for 22 years before injury took me out of the game but oh my god I was blessed blesssssed to grow up in a town that had a rink Milton Keynes and yeah I used to travel from Milton Keynes to Cardiff to train for southwest England as a junior on a Friday night hahaha we have no structure here but fuck me what a sport
Someday a voice will tell a hardcore hockey fan in England to build the Rink of Dreams
Believe it or not, they did.
It's called the Manchester Arena, 17,500 state of the art hockey arena, that they now use predominantly for concerts because hockey wasn't a big enough draw. The same with the O2 in London.
Ninh Ly So someone built it, and they came?
It would have been more interesting to investigate how Britain actually declined from a top 5 nation in the early years of the sport to a backwater even in the European regional scene. My guess would be no investment in community rinks, doesn't matter how good you are now if your kids aren't playing.
Bingo, you basically just said it.
But then again, so did I in a more roundabout way.
My media studies teacher mentions how his 9 year old nephew plays ice hockey in Manchester
The nephew that plays in Manchester will most likely be playing in Altrincham (which incidentally is not Manchester!).
Very cool
@@NinhLyUK the altrincham rink has all manchester teams playing there, both adults and juniors
@@NinhLyUK not true...it is in Trafford and that is in Greater Manchester
I think introducing people to ice hockey and increasing participation largely starts on the outdoor rinks. I don't know what the winters are like in GB, but if your winters can sustain having more outdoor rinks built, I think that is a good place to get started.
But until your domestic league becomes appealing enough to attract bigger crowds the rate of growth for the sport will be sparse. And to make it appealing, you need star power, and for star power, you need money so that they would actually sign with you, and for money, you need ticket revenue...
And so on and so forth. But I think recent success with the GB national team you could see an influx of awareness to the sport -- along with the recent plans for a Canada vs GB national team friendly (which has been postponed ofc)
Sadly, the UK's winter weather is quite mild. You're lucky to get snow, so outdoor ice hockey is largely out.
But obviously, you understand the rather vicious nasty circle that the UK is in for ice hockey.
Good international successes would be key - but it's very slow progress, for sure.
It doesnt snow in the uk.
What the NHL embraced in its southern US markets with limited ice capacity is lead with ball hockey and roller hockey as a means of introducing the sport to kids and adults. It could be a strong strategy for the UK and other markets that lack sufficiently cold winters.
RIP Adam Johnson
Over a year later and I pretty sure the majority of ice rinks are struggling to keep its doors open in the UK. Very sad. Closest ice rink is a hour away and I live in a city with around 150k people. Should be one here!
as a canadian thats so weird to hear because in my, There is literally a rink on every block and Ive played in hundreds of different rinks myself
They should make more like the Canadian beer league's less talent more fun just bring lots of beer.
I just moved to London from Canada and the ice hockey here is very different just like you said
Very very different!
It's lot more popular in Canada then UK
I’ll pay £20 to watch Liam Kirk anyday 😂
One thing I wanna point out about the league structure in Canada.
Highschool/College don't really...matter. When you get to the OHL ( Junior A ) it's usually through AAA/A prior. That's not to say that people *don't* come out of those leagues, but Junior A is where you want to be if your serious about getting to the NHL.
Also - to answer the question about why you'd watch The Game rather than soccer?
I'm a Canadian. If there's hockey, and I'm in the UK, I'm going to watch it.
I just made this point about junior hockey a year after you, hadn't read your comment. Even the lower junior leagues here in the Prairies are a big deal in small towns.
The KHL wants a team in London? And we thought a Chinese KHL team was a crazy idea...
It WAS a crazy idea and so is a London team.
That said, if anybody can do it, the KHL can.
I think the UK needs a top league merger with one or more other Western European countries. Central Europe has some good level hockey when smaller countries provide a couple teams to a league covering many countries. That way there is more competition for roster spots and UK viewers get to see higher level international hockey.
@@juhomantynen4638 So the French League(how in the world Nottingham won their CHL group in 2017-18 is beyond me)
@@juhomantynen4638 That idea is far to sensible to be accepted by anyone involved in running UK Ice Hockey unfortunately.
To be honest, Chinese KHL team is much crazier idea than KHL team based in London. Brits at least have a national team that managed to get to the Elite division and has an actual hockey league. China is very far behind.
Been following the Devils for a few years now, although attended my first match (against Nottingham) a couple years back. I am noticing a small increase in local coverage over the past couple years, our Rock & 80's/90's Music station sponsors them and Wales Today (our BBC Local News program) usually gives them a 5 second mention in the end of their sports segment (Hey it's still more than the West Wales Raiders RL ever get. Although that might be for good reasons! 🤣)
Yeah, the coverage is small but it exists.
It's a shame because it deserves so much more.
I’m a British ice hockey fan, although I must be honest, I watch German and Austrian ice hockey 👀😂
In my 23 years watching and 5 years playing I have to strongly disagree.
It's not the UKs most popular sport. That's the issue. Doesn't mean it sucks.
I would even go as far as to say ice hockey in the UK is better than most people realise. We have a professional league, with some media coverage, and the GB team is in the top division of the World Championship. Some much more popular sports are not doing nearly as well as ice hockey, e.g. field hockey.
Ice hockey rinks usually only hold 10k my guy so 9500 isn’t that bad
id really like to see you do a video on all the positives behind hockey in the uk, it might just help spread awareness of the sport and boost the profile a bit
That would pre-suppose that I have a positive opinion about it.
As a Manchester Storm fan, I simply don't.
@@NinhLyUKWell GB just made the top.pool of the World Championship despite the facts Ice Hockey isnt a mainstream sport and we have so few rinks.......so that shuts up an smart arse youtube troll like you.
@@NinhLyUK I would counter that with Belfast Giants. Full house 8,000 arena some games attracting enough ticket requests to fill a 15,000 seat arena if they had one. Season ticket waiting list, Extensive local media coverage. Regarded as the second most popular pro sports team in Northern Ireland after Ulster Rugby. The giants are very much a success story of UK Ice Hockey and the only downer for them is how few other teams in the UK have been able to attract the same level of local support from media and public.
I love hockey. Hope the sport keeps growing
Me too. That responsibility belongs to the organisers of the sport.
@Ninh Ly and the fans to spread thr word.
To play Ice Hockey, you need to be able to ice skate. In my 20 years of life so far, I've been ice skating once when I was about 7 or 8 and I don't even live that far away from a rink (less than half an hour away by car)
Football is a cheap game that's easy to play in a rudimentary form with essentially just a cheap ball, Ice Hockey is the opposite of that. The sport is too difficult to get into and this country doesn't have any of the infrastructure to compensate. People want to watch sports that they were able to play as a kid and where the pros are people like them, ordinary British kids from a normal background. Instead when they watch Ice Hockey they see foreigners and when they do see a Brit, they probably either grew up abroad or they were well off enough to afford all the ice time and equipment necessary to train at a high level.
That's why football's popularity continues to grow and most other team sports can't get a foothold. Basketball has potential for growth but probably needs a lot of grassroots funding which it is never going to get
Jacob Springall ive skated since i was two and never joined a team by choice as id rather try out in a few years for a semi pro of professional team (im Scottish)
@Pete Perhaps a better way to explain it is this. When people watch football, they know that if they had had the natural talent and the work ethic to be a top footballer, then they would have been a top footballer. The game is accessible enough that anyone in this country could have made it if they were good enough.
We'll never know how many Englishmen would have been naturally talented enough to be ice hockey players, because barely any have been able to try it out and many have never even been ice skating. So most people look at ice hockey and think, even if I was talented at this sport, we'll never know.
Also to claim that there are barely any decent English players in the Premier League is ridiculous. 10 of Burnley's starting 11 were from the British Isles in their last game against Tottenham. Anyway, Its not necessarily whether that the players they're seeing are English or not, but that any Englishman who is good enough and works hard enough could be on the field.
I agree with you Jacob.
There needs to be a solid grassroots participation, kids need to play this game and there needs to be a culture of it (like there is football). And even then, there needs to be a structure for kids to excel in the sport and become professionals themselves.
Sadly, all three things are lacking here in Britain.
britain isnt a winter country either so the correlation isnt genuine
You forgot to mention when Belfast played against the Boston Bruins in 2010
Yes, completely forgot about that.
While Northern Ireland is UK, they are separate from the Great Britain side.
UK is better at field hockey
Had the UK had the facilities, I would’ve been playing a looong time ago.. Football/Soccer just sucks...
Facilities exist, they're just few and far between.
@@NinhLyUK Unfortunately nowhere near me, haha- Good video as always though Ninh, thanks for taking time to reply ^^
No worries, thanks for commenting.
Soccer sucks
Saw the Nottingham Panthers (vs. Belfast) earlier this year as my first hockey game ever. I despise football (soccer), love watching American football, but have never seen an American football game in person.
Frankly I found the game fantastic to watch, tho I have no doubt it would've been even more fantastic to watch an NHL game in person had I had the chance. I honestly didn't know we had a pro-league until seeing the game was suggested by a flatmate, but seeing it makes me wish we had a more developed system for the sport here.
Honestly the biggest problem in my mind is that both the lack of a clear pathway from an early age and the lack of ice rinks around the country are a result of the sport being overshadowed/pushed out of the limelight by more popular sports like football, rugby, and the unbelievably inferior sport that is field hockey..... 😕
I totally agree.
It's a shame that UK Ice Hockey is so badly organised, marketed and there are barely facilities that cater for it.
Otherwise, I think it'd catch on. It worked in the 90's boom with the Super League, it can work again!
I've got to agree with you, I've never been to the UK but I've been looking into the British pro League since I found out about it a few months ago, the lack of focus on hockey and youth programs compared to say soccer (football, whatever, I'm across the pond)
For example. And I'm certain the UK'S best players are likeley playing in the DEL or SHL or KHL
Why not get paid more for your talents
if you get to see a pro game in the US or Canada do - the speed will blow you away.
@@NinhLyUK "It's a shame that UK Ice Hockey is so badly organised" This is an excellent example of British understatement...
@Sid Osmond I've been watching some old NHL games from the 90s, and people say the game is way faster these days, but I can't fully agree.
It's faster flow overall, but I find hockey in the 90s had a better flow.
It was gritty and slow but punctuated with alot of high speed high skill plays. And sure there was goonery, but I think it's better to have a guy to go out and clobber someone when they're fucking around instead of all the backhanded, behind the play, slewfooting and chopping.
The enforcer role still exists, but you have to be able to produce as well, which is a good, natural progression of the game, but I feel that the current state of the NHL promotes alot of rattiness, with no leeway for enforcers to hold the rats accountable. The EIHL reminds me alot of the 90s era, that's why I like it. When I eventually find my way across the pond I'll be sure to watch a game while I'm there
I'm a hockey fan from Canada. I've followed the goings-on of the various incarnations of the British league as well as the other European Leagues for years. It's neat to see where former NHLer's have gone. It may be lower calliber than here, but we'll pay $10,$20,$30 to watch junior hockey, and they're not pro's yet. It's just an amazing game!
To be honest, Canadian Junior hockey is great! It's certainly the best value ticket in town.
My relatives live in Mississauga and Brampton, and tickets to the Battalion and Ice Dogs games back in the day were cheap as hell. Great games to watch, I totally agree with your comment! :)
True but if you pay to go see the CHL then you are also seeing future stars. I feel spoiled here with baseball where the Cape Cod league. It is similar to the CHL but it's free. They actually have 50/50 raffles where you can win money or prizes.
@@NinhLyUK I went to high school with a guy who played for the Battalion. No doubt, if you're going to see a live game around here, OHL or AHL are the best bang for your buck
@@HKgaming86 yeah totally. Marlies at the Ricoh or Missisaug or Hamilton - can't really go wrong with those teams!
I live just outside of Detroit so for years and years we would go watch the Plymouth Whalers play. Tickets were either $12 or $15 depending on where you sat. it was great entertaining hockey, its a shame they moved an hour away
Why you british don't play physical? And your players pretty lean too. I don't if it is a bad thing but you have very different hockey.
They do, but it's a strange mixture of North American and European Ice Hockey. It's a very grabby/slow you down league as opposed to outright hitting.
We play field hockey. Simple.
I'm from the uk and I know hockey 👍
Okay?
Gold star for you 🙄👍
3:27 Junior hockey should be between high school and college hockey
It's a stock image to illustrate my point dude.
@@NinhLyUK I seriously doubt theres been a single NHLer that has been through EVERY one of those steps though TBH. Generally if you play major junior (CHL) you likely wont play college hockey (usually in the states). High school hockey here in Canada generally isnt nearly as big a deal as major junior, if you are a star player in a regular high school hockey team you might not even be able to crack a major junior team. Meanwhile if you are a star in the CHL you would completely demolish in any high school teams roster. Canadians tend to go through the CHL, Americans tend to go through their college system, though they sometimes do play on a CHL team (usually a team thats based in the US)... Very few American college teams would compete against an average CHL team, and a top CHL team would win at least 80% of the time against any American college team (IMHO). Now Baseball on the other hand has a more regimented minor league system (rookie league, low A, high A, AA, AAA, then MLB)
@@mikespark72 The CHL does pull players from all over, and I believe is the largest single source of prospects for the NHL. They do tend to have more Canadians than any other nationality, but there's definitely been a good collection of Russians and Swedes who have played in the league.
@@NinhLyUK Well, your stock image is wrong.
fun fact my granddad played in the Olympics for team GB in the 40s playing ice hockey
You could just say Brits are to delicate.
Hockey is a minority sport in the the UK but still Europe’s top 35 & 42nd supported teams come from the UK. The reason it doesn’t get the investment of most countries and leagues is the competition with other sports like Football ⚽️ Rugby 🏉 Cricket 🏏 Horse racing 🏇it’s simple. Yet the National team is still in group A with the USA etc Hockey doesn’t actually SUCK in the UK as British teams have had some success in European comps and attracted some quality from the NHL to the league like someone said The Fleury came to our league not a richer league like the DEL or Swiss league. As for Rinks it’s supply and demand does Toronto have more than 1000 football pitches? I live in Wakefield I have 5 rinks close to me but 10 professional football teams. Why also is the Elite league not elite it’s the best league in GB 🇬🇧 with full time players?
So they have the same attendance as Florida and Ottawa ?
Nah, Florida and Ottawa have infinitely more. And that's saying something ...
@@NinhLyUK I guess empty seats count for something?...
Recommendation to change the title to “Why British Ice Hockey Should Be More Popular” or “Why UK Ice Hockey Isn’t Popular” because it does sadly come off as a bit of a shitpost, The national team has made unbelievable strides in the last few years after being actually terrible before and the league is moving away from the stereotype of ‘this is where nhlers come to end their careers’ as you can see that we’ve now got a permanent spot in the CHL and in regards to Liam Kirk, no one expected him to make the NHL 2 years after he was drafted so you can’t unnecessarily rip on Kirk when there are segments on North American NHL shows about him and the EIHL. The lack of recognition by the general public and the BBC does hurt the sports potential in this country though, that is true and the playoffs do need to be harder to win because the league is still the main trophy when in every other league in the world, the playoffs is the big one. Also throw aggregate into a fucking volcano because it sucks.
Thanks for commenting and your suggestion.
- Obviously you read my top comment, where I openly admitted being a little harsh on the national team. Yes, I fully acknowledge that they've done very well compared to years gone by. But on a world stage, they're still largely not competitive with the likes of Russia, the US, Canada etc. Which for a first world country - I find frustrating.
- Liam Kirk - let's look at the situation realistically. He's a 7th round pick (189th overall) from one of the worst teams in the NHL. You and I both know that draft picks that low barely make it into the NHL, if at all. He looks like a decent player, and I hope he proves me wrong. But I've watched enough ice hockey to know that the odds are stacked heavily against him.
- Yes, I agree that the lack of coverage especially from the BBC is quite shocking - given that they've lost the rights to almost every other sport. Why not show ice hockey?
- And I totally 100% agree with getting rid of aggregate. Bloody awful!
Ninh Ly
- I totally understand your point, the mix with the lack in popularity and not as much home grown talent has an effect but the team has made unbelievable strides and showed that they’re not just a team that goes to the WCs one year then goes straight back down.
- Yes I understand about Kirk, it’s not impossible for him to make the NHL but you never know, they have a good system in Peterborough but yes it’s highly unlikely but the fact that a British born and trained player was good enough to get drafted is amazing but compared to other countries like Germany, Austria, Czechia and Slovakia, there’s still work to be done.
- Everyone agrees with it mate don’t worry, every year the BBC Sport page asks viewers “what sport would you like to see more of?” 90% of those comments are ice hockey, yet they remain ignorant and not show it.
- Aggregate sucks, like really sucks. Even a 3 game series to get to the playoff weekend would make it more interesting! Here’s an example, say Dundee gets Belfast in the first round and its aggregate, the giants win the first game like 5-0, what can Dundee do now? All the better team needs to do is play a defensive game and shut the weaker team out. Hence why there’s a lack of variety of teams at the PO final weekend every year. If there was even a 3 game series then teams like Dundee, Fife, Manchester would still have a chance as they would have 2 games to fight for their place instead of getting blown out in one game and their season be over, it’s shit.
Thank you for responding mate, it shocked me that you were a UK ice hockey fan to be honest, thought it would be some Canadian shitposter ripping on us for no reason 😂🇬🇧
At Bratislava 2019 - Top 16 - The GB / UK Hockey Won over THE FRENCH ( Made it to Switzerland - Top 16 ) ! So if You say that Hockey is NO GOOD - so Whatabout The French ? Many of The Worlds Hockey Players are speaking French - LEMIEUX - FLEURY - RICHARD - BOSSY - and Many Others ! Sorry That I just Cant spell Their Names !
The reason being is u get it in every country about a sport like u have Australia its rugby and cricket same with new Zealand Canada possibly I've hockey America nfl nhl baseball Scotland Rugby and football same with Wales and Ireland Italy football Rugby France football Rugby
Well, it sure is a shame. I'm fairly local to Guildford and have never liked football but always played ice hockey video games and watched related movies. Now I've quit drinking I wanted to perhaps start watching some games for real. I'm not a fan of the fighting, though and this video isn't very encouraging lol I'll still go for sure, but I always wondered why our "stadium" was so small. I walk through to skate sometimes and think "where do people stand/sit? 😂"
Hey Ninh, Clan fan here. Pretty accurate description of the sport in the UK but you can’t really compare it to the NHL. No country in the world has a league that compares with the NHL as it takes all the best players from wherever they have learnt their hockey. Despite its obvious problems I’d still rather pay eighteen quid to watch an EIHL game than twice that to watch Premier League football. It might not be top quality hockey but games are still pretty exciting. I see you have a soft spot for the Storm. I was in Alty a couple of weeks ago for the Clan game and it really is a dive. Good atmosphere in the place though.
I think the KHL is close in terms of playing standard, though there's no doubt that the NHL pays the most amount of money.
Can you compare like for like? Of course not. But even if you compared the Elite League to the DEL, or the Elitesarien, the organisation and money is terrible in comparison.
I used to watch the original Manchester Storm back in the mid 90's. It was a great atmosphere, the arena was world class (what's now the Manchester Arena, whatever you want to call it) and the standard was pretty decent. Sadly, this new iteration of the Manchester Storm plays like crap, the atmosphere isn't what it used to be, and Altrincham Ice Rink is a dump that's hard to get to.
I like ice hockey just as much as you, but when there's no shortage of entertainment for your hard earned money (United, City, Sale Sharks, Wigan Warriors etc.) - something has to give. I'm sadly not the only one that thinks so.
@@NinhLyUK Oh I know. I took my sister along to that Storm v Clan game. She was quite into the original Storm and this was her first time in Alty. She was less than impressed! I was happy as Clan won though, even if I couldn't see a third of the action due to the terrible sight lines. I used to be an Ayr Eagles fan and those few years of the ISL were great. The Storm and the Eagles went kaput within a week of each other in 2002. The EIHL isn't quite as good in but somehow it's lasted seventeen years despite its failings.
Oh yeah, the old Super League days were the best!
Ayr were always a nasty team to play against, makes for good watching.
And believe it or not, that's my point. The Elite League has somehow regressed from the Super League ... it almost seems a step backwards in my opinion.
The KHL is the second best League in the world
Have you done a video on rules/history of croquet?
No.
Really I saw that the oldest stick was in Nova Scotia and yes I am aware that Nova Scotia means new Scotland and When i researched it read
Ice hockey is believed to have evolved from simple stick and ball games played in the 18th and 19th centuries in the United Kingdom and elsewhere. ... The contemporary sport of ice hockey was developed in Canada, most notably in Montreal, where the first indoor hockey game was played on March 3, 1875.
CLAP .... CLAP .... CLAP
Congratulations, you read Wikipedia for 30 seconds.
Try reading several books, including 'A History & Philosophy of Sports' by Mechikoff & Estes.
Deny it all you want, but Ice Hockey is a Scottish invention. The first games played preceded Canada as a country. Whether they used a ball or puck is irrelevant.
Ninh Ly It wasn’t just the Scottish. It was brought over by British soldiers and there were different versions of the same game across the British isles. Saying it was just Scottish excludes the Irish game of Hurling and how puck also has Irish origin. Shinty and Hurling are similar. They might have made one sport out of the two sports the British soldiers were playing.
@@NinhLyUK no ninh, you are actually wrong. The Scottish invented a game called ice shinty, an ancestor of ice hockey; it is also known as bandy. That sport uses a ball and not a hockey puck. Read all about it here. collections.musee-mccord.qc.ca/scripts/explore.php?Lang=1&tableid=11&tablename=theme&elementid=60__true&contentlong
You claim to a fan but don't talk about the positives. The video is only going to turn people away from Hockey not make them want to watch it. As you are a "Fan" you should know more than anyone that all teams struggle for getting new fans on board. Videos like this are going to kill the sport. Most of the thing you say are right, but you don't give both sides either the issues brought up isn't something we as fans can change and I doubt Chairman Tony Smith is going to watch this.
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Same reasons why Canada sucks at soccer (1) shitty national team (2) fledgling premier leagues (3) lack of media coverage, etc
Sounds about right.
Growing up for me, soccer was that sport that every kid played as a summer past-time, and never took all that seriously. I think i've known like, 3 people ever that did any sort of training on their own time to improve on a soccer field.
They are getting better now and look promising with Alphonso Davies and Jonathan David.
Do a video like this on the bbl (basketball in Britain). Is interesting since basketball is popular in the uk with high participation and nba viewing but no one watches the domestic game
Waaay ahead of you. Script and voiceover already done.
Ninh Ly nice one mate. Hope there’s a few mentions of my team the Newcastle Eagles 🦅. Must be said tho they key imo for the bbl is to get a few community based teams in London and Birmingham. Trying to fill the copperbox is dumb when you could have a Croydon, Kingston, Clapham etc based teams playing out of a leisure centre with 2,000 or so die hard fans. Kinda the model eagles took with the community arena
I think the lack of marketing, awareness and grassroots development has more impact than the facilities. The Copperbox is a fine facility, shame there aren't more of them.
Ninh Ly problem is fans/participation hot beds are london and Birmingham which often don’t have teams, and attendance is low at the copper-box since it’s central London and isn’t tapping into a community fan base. I think there is a big potential to get teams in London to be successful if they are tied to community’s. Big arenas with no fans only works for a few seasons. See what happened to the lions this year. The Royals are doing well but I do fear that they can’t sustainably fill the copper box. Ownership of the court is also very important for playing in Europe, as Leicester have found and Eagles are planning for
Yes, I do agree with stable ownership - but not necessarily owning the court. Lots of pro sports teams in this country don't own the stadium they play in and it's fine.
But when you're like the Manchester Giants, and literally play in a different place every season, you're not doing any favours to anyone.
Im not too sure if i agree with you on a few things on the video, some things like the facilities etc are 100% true... Buuuuuut the sport is ever so slowly growing and so is the media coverage, freesports shows a Elite Leauge game every week and last year the Challenge Cup finals were on the bbc red button. As for Liam Kirk he hasnt played for they Coyotes as he is a prospect and is playing Junior Hockey with the Petes like 99% of young nhl draftees. Feel you missed a trick too not talking about Nottingham, Sheffield or Belfast where the sport is very well supported and really does boom
You're entitled to your opinion, of course.
I did mention that Ice Hockey is making progress albeit very slowly (with TV coverage, progress of the National Team etc.)
One thing I won't move on is Liam Kirk. Let's face facts, whilst he's a decent player, he's also a 7th round draft pick. The odds of him making an NHL roster are slim given that 188 players were picked before him. He's not even the best prospect at the Petes.
As for talking about Nottingham and Sheffield, I could have spoken about that ... and the fact that the richest teams with the best facilities generally wins everything, thus making it an unfair game. But that'd just be putting petrol on a fire.
Even Some FINNS - Has played in Those Teams !
My son plays for Manchester storm under Under 10 and he’s addicted to it so you suck ice hockey doesn’t suck in the UK. I’m from the UK
"KHL wants a team in London" Well... I don't think that's happening any time soon...
1:23 In Colombia we only have 5 rinks in the country .-.
Wow! I thought our country had a lack of rinks, but 5 rinks? That's not good.
That’s honestly more than I imagined. My family is Colombian, I’ve visited Colombia many times, and I only recently discovered that hockey exists in Colombia.
I wonder whats the IIHF ranking. And to be fair, after gaining independence from USSR (Latvia), we had around 5-6 rinks. Once we got thru destroying low tier teams (in 1993 32-0 against Israel) and getting in elite group, in our first years we destroyed Russia and US. And got in quarter finals and came close to semi-finals. It is all down to motivation and popularity of the sport.
Same with us in Indonesia, my city has a metro population of 8 million, but only 1 rinks. Tropical country problem I guess
You also have to understand that in Canada and the northern USA kids can walk down to the local pond in the winter and play pickup hockey. Rinks arent even necessarily needed. This is something you cannot do in most of england.
Fax
The UK hockey teams have some sick jerseys tho!!
I think most of them are a little too busy with sponsor logos though.
We've become like Finland in the 'cover everything with a logo' stakes.
@@NinhLyUK that's so they can actually have 650k to work with
Ninh Ly that is how they get the money to pay for their teams if they had nothing they wouldn’t be able to obviously they can’t pay 650k per player because no quite frank we couldn’t be like the nhl if we tried it’s just not possible also it ain’t 20 quid to watch hockey but even if it was I’d rather watch hockey than football anyday
@@eshefa no shit, Sherlock.
Oh and Manchester Storm £18 single game tickets. United and City cup games - £20.
You're welcome.
The fact that you referred to the sport as "ice" hockey tells me all I need to know about how hockey is viewed in the U.K.
Read the top comment.
I mean they have to differentiate from field hockey. Like here in canada if u say hockey people just assume that you are talking about ice hockey but field hockey isnt really big here in canada compared to ice hockey. Field hockey however is probably (and i say probably because i don’t actually know the numbers on weather this is true or not but i am pretty sure it is) bigger than ice hockey in the uk thus if u were to say hockey in the uk the opposite would happen than in Canada and people would assume you are talking about field hockey instead.
@@JiManMasTeR that's exactly my point. If you have to differentiate, it's because hockey has very low recognition in that location. Whenever someone calls it ice hockey, I know right away it is likely because hockey has a low status where they come from.
sportkoop not really... it just means there is another form of hockey which is bigger or as big as ice hockey. It doesnt tell you anything about how it is viewed there.
@@sportkoop no? It just makes sense given there are multiple forms of hockey and one is played on ice. It's like polo vs water polo.
Murrayfield Racers > Edinburgh Caps.
Also, it genuinely irritates me that Ice Hockey is such a small sport over here and that somehow, Football, the sport where you can actually not touch another person but still dive to the floor and writhe about in pain, is somehow bigger and more entertaining than a fast paced, physical sport like hockey. Completely baffles me! Football is pathetic.
I was very fortunate to catch two games whilst in Calgary and my god. It was an incredible atmosphere and an incredible experience in general.
Our country does sports wrong. Period.
Go Flames go, mon the Clan!
I agree with most of your points. Don't agree with football being a 'pathetic' sport, but the NHL certainly does hockey better, and I don't just mean the on ice product. The game atmosphere and the environment around is ace. Certainly way better than the Elite League.
@@NinhLyUK It's all a matter of opinion really, I personally cannot stand football at all.
The one thing I did find in the NHL is there isn't really much in way of chants, going from a Glasgow game to a Calgary game was strange, the second the puck touches the ice, it's silent, bar the few times everyone chants go flames go, but that's it. Otherwise it was an amazing experience!
@@mrmachinehead8059 Fair point. On my American road trip a couple of years ago, I watched the Vegas Golden Knights and the LA Kings. Both teams crushed Calgary mercilessly (4-0 and 3-0) .... but I totally recommend seeing a game in Vegas ... ruclips.net/video/QjJfyZybBws/видео.html
"I know I just ripped on them" aye ye bloody did!! British hockey fans are the best and in no way small 😂
Back in '96 I used to watch Manchester Storm play at the arena, it was fantastic, huge crowds, lots of buzz about the sport. I still watch Storm now at a local ice rink and feel for the players, the game is obviously just as good as it was but they deserve better. I hope it takes off again!
Good breakdown. Ya, U.K is a lost cause, Japan, and S.Korea are more organized, with more participation, and awareness than the U.K. I think the top reason is the money needed to play ( equipment..rinks..travel..) and the incredible difficulties, which require incredible commitment to harness the incredible skill needed to play.
Soccer really isn't much of a skill sport when compared to hockey, not even close...Anyone, i mean anyone can afford a soccer ball, and learn how to kick , pass and travel with it VERY easily over a few weeks, or days, not much skill is needed to play.
To excel, become a pro that requires more commitment yes, but its the initial learning curve that anyone can handle men or women, children, or adults, poor, or rich, anywhere anytime.
Not so with hockey, its a very difficult game to learn, requiring allot of practice. You cant just go buy set of skates, stick and puck and think in a years time you will be able to hop into any pick game, nope. In a year, you still wouldnt have great stopping, turning, edging skill...and def backward skating would be non existent, other than maybe drifting backwards. 4-5 yrs you would have those skills.
So the average cost to parents, the time commitments needed to learn the skills 4-5 yrs of consistent skating, puck handling, stopping, turning, blade work, stick work, coordination, shooting tiny puck into A TINY goal..Hockey is by far the most highly skilled sport on earth, so many dynamics to the game, sol much skill, athleticism, endurance, and mental capacity is needed its no wonder so many quit within 2-3 yrs, even here in Canada.
I saw the thumbnail and don’t process the Union Jack and I was like hold tf on there buster
I doubt you were the only one.
Would rather watch lower-tier ice hockey any day than that boring shite that is football....
Despite everything been mentioned they found them selfs in best 16 👀
Expensive that's all it is
I always wondered why Britain wasn’t more into hockey. I thought it was probably because football is a bigger sport worldwide, and you guys invented that too. Plus it’s so cheap to play by comparison - however, not for us. While it is expensive for ice fees, equipment, league fees, travel, etc., don’t forget Canada has ice in winter in even the warmest of our localities. All we need are skates & a twig for that…and a pond, lake, river, or a hose & a yard, lol.
But I can give you one tip that would make it a better spectator sport almost immediately…stop playing on that giant ass IIHF rink, and start playing on an NHL regulation sized rink. It’s smaller, so the end to end action is faster. Sometimes it’s like watching a human pinball game. More exciting in my opinion.
It's crazy to think that ice time in North America is already expensive and the Brits are paying even more. the lack of ice available is a huge issue for sure
Fun fact: When the Gaelic Athletic Association was founded in Ireland, they banned anyone who participated in or even watched a "foreign" sport. This included association football, rugby, cricket and ice hockey.
So all you get to play and watch is Gaelic football and hurling?
Yes, that's true!
@@3dsaulgoodman43 The ban is gone since 1972.It wasn't that you weren't allowed to play other sports it only applied to english sports and even the english sports you could play them,but the GAA would kick you out,so you couldn't play gaelic football and soccer at the same time as happens all the time now.The GAA would even ban you if you went to a fundraising dinner in a rugby club. not sure if it applied to ice hockey though i think it was only field hockey,because ice hockey was canadian and would not have been much of a threat.
My dad played soccer under a fake name as a youngster while he carried on playing Hurling. The total ban has been gone since the 70s but Gaelic grounds still get windy about other sporting codes using their facilities. It's usually just british sports like rugby and soccer this applies to. They have an American football game hosted in croke park every year, and that's supposedly hallowed ground for Gaelic games.
@@galoglaich3281since then Ireland improved a lot in sports ire is no 1 in rugby , top 10 in cricket hockey and ranked 50 in fifa
The NHL needs to show these guys some exhibition games. That way the ice hockey community around the UK would be more interested and eventually as people have more passion towards the sport there will be better players and better teams.
They tried that with the NHL Premiere in London. Once they realised they were fighting a losing battle, they never came back.
They go to every other country in Europe now.
Lol, this video is full of smug nonsense.
Canada invented modern ice hockey, full stop.
It's an amalgamation of shinty, hurling, bandy and a game called ricket played by various native tribes. While it absolutely has roots to those various games brought over by European immigrants to Canada (why wouldn't it?), the game played today was born, bred, molded and entirely hashed out here in Canada. Get as pissy as you'd like but there is no denying this.
Lol
that is not true
bro
Being kinda shit and not many being there is part of the fun. The only people there are those interested in hockey and not casuals who know fuck all
The eihl is growing and getting more well known. Its now shown live regularly on free sports with a weekly highlight show.
I generally go from watching Rotherham united straight through to Sheffield arena to watch steelers as do a lot. Kirky is quality and doing the same as majority of players his age in playing in the ohl.
I'd argue that the Super League era was more attended, more watched on TV too.
As for Liam Kirk, he's decent. But a 189th overall draft pick on one of the worst team in the NHL - I don't fancy his chances.
@@NinhLyUK not saying kirky will make it over there, just stating he's currently playing we're the majority of lads his age are. He's been playing well this season and was given an A if he's playing in the ahl next season he's got as good a chance as anyone to make an appearance in the nhl. If he's playing at a club you say isn't the best then shouldn't that give him more of a chance?
i’m from toronto and have a glasgow clan jersey lol
Wow, really?!
They have a cool logo, you gotta admit!
I'm from Bolton England and have lots of Maple leafs gear🤣
@@MarcT7761 I'm an hour outside of Toronto, Bolton's my team , I have several jerseys and hats .Bolton was my dad's home town, we have really good football coverage over hear on Saturdays, used to see them play quite often but not anymore since relegation.
@@shawnwhite1972 I work minutes away from the (now newly named) Bolton university stadium,formerly Reebok (the company started in Bolton) Me...I'm a Liverpool fan due to my father being a Scouser
I love the line that even the guys running the league don't know what's happening most of the time but I will say that even in football (soccer), the most watched sport in the UK the guys at the top don't know what's happening either so that's not just an ice hockey problem
That's kinda true, yeah.
But I'd argue that the Premier League is better organised than UK Ice Hockey. 100%
Sorry you have never heard about these 4 players
matheu roy
tim shoup
matt haywood
colton yellow horn
look em up
I would never pay 1 pounds 💷 to watch this rubbish and fighting game
Great video, cool to learn about this stuff! The only thing is hockey was invented in Nova Scotia, CA. I’m aware that translates to New Scotland but the sport was invented in the province
Thanks. But read the top comment.
One other interesting way teams attract better players is by partnering with universities to offer masters courses while the players play
Believe it or not, they do that.
Instead of paying players with money, they paid them with education from an affiliated University.
Edinburgh Capitals had a deal with Heriot Watt University, Nottingham Trent university did the same with the Panthers etc.
@@NinhLyUK cov blaze and cov uni
4:55 what's that Calgary Flames knock off there?
Juan Nieto it’s the Guildford Flames best team in the league
Juan Nieto Guildford Flames. Agreed that they’re a rip off
Elliot Rook u wait till u see them
I'm surprised that the Calgary Flames haven't sued Guildford mercilessly!
Another knockoff is the Bracknell Bees. They blatantly stole from the Sarnia Sting.
@@NinhLyUK, Guildford actually asked Calgary if they could do it and they agreed.
Name an Uk Ice Hockey team: Manchester United 🤣🤣🤣🤣 jk
This is a bit like football players goes to America
As someone who grew up watching EHL games, I think UK hockey is awesome. Having a bog-standard arena gives it such a special underground feeling that you could never get with NHLs hockey, which cares more about promoting lexus cars.
Hmmm...I still prefer watching European football, is a much more fun sports to watch than hockey, hockey is just too much blood and fighting
@@ericwang1036 that's fair enough man. I like both equally
@@ericwang1036 pussy go and watch your fairies in football while hockey has fights and fun
That Manchester team's logo is cool.
It certainly is!
When we (USA) played you guys in the 2019 worlds, we didn’t win by much, and I was really impressed with your goalie who was marvelous.
5-2 is still a convincing score.
But yeah, Ben Bowns played well that day.
As a football fan, I’ve hockey tickets are cheaper than football. Why not go for some fun?!
Why wouldn’t you want to go watch the best team in the uk cov blaze
I wish U(k) the best of luck in development!
Indeed!
Owen Nolan! It’s been rumored that Nolan was no fan of the queen
I believe you're correct!
I kinda want to go play in the UK to see how good I am compared to everyone else. Highest I played was ECHL.
I think you'd do just fine over here. Better than fine actually!
Ninh Ly How well would I get paid? I don’t expect cash pouring upon me... but maybe 50k a year at least?
@@amd_hawk7318 nowhere near I'm afraid. You're lucky to scrape £22k and that's before taxes.
Ninh Ly well screw that 😂.
Ninh Ly dude you really don’t know that much about how much imports make and the perks such as mbes that players can get for free playing in the league
For organized team sports, the UK is only competitive in the sport of Futbol aka Soccer... For such a developed 1st World country, it is surprising that you never see the UK at all in Hockey, Basketball or Baseball in international competition such as the Olympics, etc.
Baseball is not a global sport 😂 UK are great at loads of sports, football, rugby, tennis, cycling, swimming
At least the U.K team is better than the Dead Wings.
Nah, even a bad Red Wings side would beat these dudes.