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Color 3D Printing Flop - Davinci Color March MadMess Review
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- Опубликовано: 17 авг 2024
- At long last the saga of the Davinci Color comes to a close, and it's not a happy ending. But before we put the Davinci Color out to pasture, let's talk about how and why this printer was revolutionary and how it could still change the face of 3D printing forever.
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There was one more reason this failed that I just couldn't bring myself to say on camera. www.3dpprofessor.com/2020/03/31/davinci-color-march-madmess-final-review/
There are some great ideas here.
I agree that with some minor changes (White inner layers to help with the "transperentness" (is that a word?), and a little better design to implement color) this could be a great idea.
@@Outofthedust I suspect they went with a semi-transparent base color because a "pure" white would not be able to absorb the ink fast enough to make a quick transition without purging. Hence the prints end up sort of colored...ish. A for effort, D+/C- for execution.
@@Outofthedust "transparency"
I work at a place that does printing and we use a lot of inks that don't dry until you heat it to around 300f. There are also uv curing inks, so that printer could theoretically be "fixed". You might mention it to them.
Here is the motivation for the manufacturers - ink jet cartridges. While no one wants premium proprietary filament rolls, where the prints fail and you waste plastic. Being well trained by the paper printer manufactures, we would grudgingly pay a fortune for the ink.
I feel for now airbrushing in post is better (ie those cazy skilled cosplay/miniature people)
Later on some odd toolhead, or robotic arm type thing? Definetly something to look foreward to!
This guy has a number of versions of colour 3D printers - Jason Powell - ruclips.net/user/MrJjpowellyvideos - My Color Mixing Machine - ruclips.net/video/aUkN3E3QHyk/видео.html
I eventually put all of my inkjet printers in the bin and got a color laser printer instead. While photos don't come out as nicely and you can't print on glossy photo paper, the toner never dries out because toner is actually small plastic particles. I wonder if they could do something with that. Anyway, I so wanted this printer to work. Full color 3D printing for prosumers would be awesome.
Thanks for this Joe, I’ve been waiting for your re-review of this printer. My experiences with the DaVinci Colour have been similar to yours and I am doubtful if I will ever get to print in colour on this printer again even though the printer is still under warranty.
I personally think davinci is garbage. My brother in law bought one. It quit working and it needed a heater cartridge after one week. They wanted us to buy a complete print head. They wouldn't allow us to take it apart. Luckily it was purchased on Amazon so it was easy enough to return.
Personally I believe that davinci could be a greater company if they were open source and allowed community input. It's part of the reason that prusa is successful. Sure josef prusa designed the i3. But the community involvement is what helped hin get where he is today.
I do too! Lets hope someone improves this model. Thanks 3D Printing Professor
Molecular Beam Epitaxy (MBE) is a kind of 3D nanoprint used to do components with Gallium Arsenide (AsGa) material.
Fascinating.
I am very luck I had to wall away from mine after frustration with the ink but after going back and a bottle of acetone she now works like a dream. I just who the ink with acetone cloth during prints and job done. Super cool, NOT for the novice!!!
We are considering picking one of these up for one of the classes I teach at my high school. I believe we are looking at the Da Vinci Color Mini though. From what I've read, the Color Mini doesn't use separate cartridges for each color, but instead uses a combo cartridge (makes sense since the whole thing is smaller). While I think it would look "cool" to the kids (we are trying to recruit underclassmen to sign up for our academy/programs of study...I teach engineering tech and design tech), I don't know if it could handle the workload of a classroom, let's say 30 students? What do you think? Really LOVE all your videos and reviews. Should we invest in one of these? We have a MaketBot Replicator +, MakerBot Mini, and a Lulzbot Taz 6. I commented on another video of yours regarding our desire to purchase some mini sized 3d printers we can go mobile with for workshops (am now looking into the Adventurer 3 per your suggestion). Our other desire is to somehow achieve multi-color prints. I'm debating between trying the Da Vinci Color Mini OR looking into a Mosaic Palette 2 Pro (apparently it can work with the MakerBot Replicator +) though that can only use up to 4 colors. Would really appreciate your thoughts on this, thank you so much!
IN the end I wish I was getting through 30 prints before the thing was breaking down. I don't know if the mini is better or if it has the same problems, but I suspect the latter.
As for a palate pro, I don't think it will work with a Rep+ becuase Rep+'s don't use GCode. In fact they're pretty much designed for Prusa's, but they won't admit that, from the sort of GCode they produce to the connections that they have. I'm gonna be playing with one with my JGAurora A5S soon, and I'll have the results of that as soon as I can, but I'm gonna have to gerry rig a connector.
Alright, so I just looked it up, and they do apparently work with Rep 2+. I'll have to give that a shot with my Rep1 and see if it works.
3D Printing Professor yes please please please do!! I would love to see how it works
When my 9th cartridge failed at over 90% full and the 'special print' designed to unclog it stopped working... My davinci colour was relegated to the scrap heap. I can't even sell it on in good faith as there are printers out there that produce better - less ghosting - prints out of the box and don't require the special filament. I was so sad. If only it would have kept printing at the same consistency as when I got it I would have been beside myself giddy with it. I am excited with the E3D tool changer. Maybe an inkjet head that only stored a few ml of ink that was refillable... I'd pay the manufacturer to be locked into that because I wouldn't waste so much with a full sized cartridge at £60 a go... XYZ wouldn't even entertain me returning them, but I understand why. But then the first model of most things is pretty lousy, so lets hope it starts a revolution like regular 3D printing did. I wish I had thought of the full-colour draft shield though :)
Now that I have the 0% after one print error happened, I suspect that my cartridges that were saying they were at 90% were actually empty, the chip was just faulty in the other direction.
And I definitely agree, a smaller reservoir would be very welcome.
If you were going to buy a new 3D full color printer today, what would you buy?
If budget were no option, I'd love a JSeries from Stratasys. But if budget is an option, there unfortunately just isn't any other option, and even this one seems to have gone away.
Almost at 30k subs man, good luck.
Whoa. You look great with the beard. I invested in the Quad Crane printer. Took so long to ship that I'm now on to other things. My son is about to break open the box and get it going.
I think the idex idea would be the way to correct this. Inkjet printers have a rubber like bay they sit in when not being used. I also think the heat from the hotend is probably where its failures lie. Would be interesting to see mods done to this printer to turn it into idex if at all possible.
You're Social! What the heck!?!? Why no one tell me this? This unit looks like it has a nice enclosure for printing ABS at least. That is my favorite material but mine with a good enclosure is dead. I would have never thought that someone would squirt inkjet ink onto a print. It would be interesting if they could make the ink photocured so that the ink would not dry (maybe).
Greetings from Germany! Is the model that you use against dry out the ink in Prints aviable for download?
I meen the Objekt in the video 08:00 - 10:00.
I have thes printer and I find your solution perfekt!
It should be available for download on their site, but I'll have to check to be sure.
The idea that this triggered for me is that we need an open source equivalent of Uber for 3d printing. It seems a waste to have such a machine sitting idle just because you don't have a compelling use for it. Meanwhile, somebody who wanted this capability from a service is deciding to pass it up because the rate that the service charges for it is too expensive. Now, I'm not proposing that a professor spend his time baby sitting a 3d printer for the benefit of someone getting a cool miniature. Instead, I see a 4-way arrangement. Someone has a 3d printer that they are not actively using. Some Junior in high school to Junior in college has basic technical competence in 3d printer operation and maintenance. A client wants to make a 3d print with particular characteristics (filament type, coloring, etc). And system matches this all together. The printer owner provides the capital for the machine. The operator gets a fair wage for baby sitting the printer and prints. The customer pays for the service. The developers get compensated at a reasonable rate for putting the system together.
We had Uber for 3d printing a while ago. 3dhubs. It became, well, what uber became.
@@3dpprofessor Dang. Unlike with driving, there really seems like there is a real economic benefit for this. My assessment of Uber is that it is net negative, compared to folks owning cars. It doubles the manpower associated with car transport, while turning the drivers effectively into sharecroppers. They think that they are earning money, but are basically generating cash flow from using up the equity that they have in their cars. Which they borrowed in the first place.
@@richdobbs6595 The problem with 3dhubs is people with crappy printers and customers with high expectations weren't meeting in the middle. In the end people who were renting out their printers realized they weren't charging enough to make it worth their time, and customers weren't willing to pay that much, and it all collapsed.
@@3dpprofessor I guess there is a basic issue regarding consumer level FDM printing. I really struggle to find things that make sense to print, given the design effort, failed prints, strength limitations, cost of filament, lack of prospect for scaling up, etc. Most of the time it seems like if I want something, its just better to go into my workshop and build it using woodworking, epoxy putty, hacksaws and drills. And even more of the time I'm discouraged that I can either do without, or just buy it cheaper.
@@richdobbs6595 There is, like, the promise of 3d printing vs reality.
The other problem 3dhubs ran into was the customers sending unreasonable print requests, things with round bottoms that require supports and would never look good after clean up, and being disappointed with the results even when warned. And then, even if everything went well, there's a chance there wasn't enough business in your area for it to be worth it.
Welp, things have often been “speed to market” for years, even decades. They slap something together, quality is on the back burner and they know this, before they ship.
This thing really seems like a dud. Hopefully someday we’ll have a home version of yhe full color technology shapeways uses
I got my hands on one of these.. any chance you can share your slicer settings for your general .1 and .2 layer height printing on this machine ?
The only settings I change is to turn off the raft. Besides it's slicer default all the way.
@@3dpprofessor , that's very interesting. Thank you Professor.
follow up question. Did you have to print the little calibration card multiple times to get things just right? I'm finding this to be the case with my machine.
@@GameMaker04 No, I just print it the once, input the results, and go with it.
From what I can see there is definitly an issue with overalll color saturation. Sure the Mosiac Palette can only print four colors and there's definitlly waste but they'll be as saturated as the filament you're using. Eh...It's a tradeoff.
Interestingly I discovered that if you color the back of a thin color print with opaque white (I used nail polish) the colors suddenly pop and are well saturated. So maybe the solution is as easy as dual nozzles, one to do the outside most shell in color soaking ink, the other to do the inner shells in opaque white. It's more complex, but it should work.
@zeroeclips Not for the color filament. If you used different filament it won't absorb the color.
@zeroeclips It's true, I haven't tested this. I should give it a go. Thanks for the idea.
i thought i was gonna see it print something.
how can you review something if you don't show your audience the printer's capabilities and the final product?
How can I show the printers' capabilities if it won't print?
I have 10 other videos about this printer. You can get the whole picture here: ruclips.net/video/RT7tvusbsqs/видео.html
I do like the idea of having a full color 3D printer, but if I can get a high quality 3D printer that is less than a 4th of the price I will just take the time to paint the print myself. And there is a very nice resin 3D printer that a company has made that can print very beautiful full color miniature figurines but I think they are only selling the prints and not the printer.
Please what’s the name of the company?
@@kuforiji i would guess, if you havent found them yet, that he was talking about Hero Forge
@@TytonidaeIndustries Thank you.
Why you no show us our 3d render character. And therer polygones. Because iam interestet buy the mini version
So what 3d color printer should i buy insted of this one then?
Well, that's the problem. The next option is 20k or more with proprietary filament and ink.
@@3dpprofessor do better wait 1yr and hope for an updated model
@@davidnarcissus39 they just updated their ink and plastic and they say it'll dry out less. Im planning on testing that as soon as I'm done playing with the belt printer from Creality.
@@3dpprofessor perfect try to do an updated video later so we can see I'm really interest to buy this printer 🎉
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I have an M3D Crane Quad 4 filament full color printer. You should look at them.
You still have to deal with purge, so you can't do quick descreet color changes. For instance from black to white quickly. Whereas this process can put news print on the side or you 3D print easy peasy.
@@3dpprofessor
The purge is a bit of a pain.
Subtle small points of color are a real pain purge more than you use on the print.
I like that it sort of color mixes to produce different colors.
I have printed gradient it chaged from one color to the next no purge. It's neat looking.
Amazing technology but it is not fully mature yet, needs more refinement.
Hi! Thanks for your reviews about this printer. I'm about to experiment with DIY inkjet color printing, using the old C6602 HP printhead, just for fun.
But what do you think of the idea of injecting inks in the melted filament? Don't know yet how to do that (it would probably require a mixing chamber), but this is somthing I would like to experiment as well.
When I started 3D printing, this is how I thought it would be done. But so far no one has done it. I suspect it's not just mixing (which means we need purge block) but it also is a question of heat causing a problem with the inks. But, like I always say at the makerspace, give it a shot and let me know how it goes.
Yes, using solid inks may be a better idea...
the older it gets the more it devalues because is not great, so sell it asap before its worth nothing
WHERE's YOUR TIE YOUNG MAN?!
Wow, I barely recognized you with the beard!
Get used to it. I'm in it for the long hall with this one.
Sorry but anyone who thought this would be a good printer is an idiot. XYZ had a history of being shit, but people blindly believe their hype and buy their garbage. The clue is no price on their website. This is a $3000 printer. Also another clue is no one else trying to do the same thing, because they probably tried and realised it was a poor technology.
Can you review the cr20 pro
I will review any 3d printer they send to me.
Great Idea, Give it 10 years and it will be normal on most printers. but until Printers are in every home it is just a gimmick and will be a mess until the tech matures
But I want it NAAOW!
@@3dpprofessor Me too
yep, xyz company is just garbage
i had problems with their davinci mini and the scanner
i mean, the scanner 2.0 it's not that bad...it's a sr300 way overpriced and coupled with a garbage faulty software, but once you use another software it starts working without any problem
There is a few companies producing a full colour FDM printer using 5 colour RGB printing (Black | White | Green | Blue | Red) or 6 colour CMYKW+Transparent printing. www.ordsolutions.com/ store.printm3d.com/collections/3d-printers/products/the-crane-quad-3d-printer There was also a young guy on TouTube who built his own 24 or 5 colour mixing nozzle for colour 3D printing. I don't know what company he joinesd to develop his printer.
You've posted a ton on this video, and they all have the same reply. These are amazing machines, but they're still only limited color. To switch colors you need to purge the nozzle, so it cant' do discreet changes, it can't print a photo on the side of a print, or do white and black newsprint. And the process or making models for these are completely different. For these you need to make seperate STLs for each color, for the Davinci Color you only need to make an OBJ with color data on it. Apples and oranges. Both have their application.
This is the only option available at this price range....sad to see this review
Pretty much, yes. But they just released some new inks that promise to try out less. I'll be testing them as soon as I can.
interesting...
what a monstrosity!
xyz printing has always been horrible
Nice video. I have been interested in 3D printing for the past few years but have so far waited until the technology/blueprint gets to a level where it is more user friendly. Where do you see the tech in the next 3 years? I also made a 3D printing video on my channel yesterday if you would like to check it out :)
Funny thing, I got a disco ball, which, as it turns out, is lousy for seeing the future with. Unless at some point in the future we lose the internet and bell bottoms and disco music comes back into style.
Is there anyone that is hacking, unlocking and refilling those print cartridges?
None that I know of.
@@3dpprofessor Does this work? hack- ink secrets - ruclips.net/video/Rvo77iyQCoM/видео.html
Was hoping for less talking