Love it how people assumed that they could buy a pinball and sell for more indefinitely! It has rarely been the case with NIB machines, but over Covid prices went silly - high demand and low supply. Now with a mix of inflation and cost of living things are coming back to normal - where a 2nd hand/used machine is being sold for LESS than new- and people cannot seem to comprehend the fact that an asset can go down in value over time.
It seems a lot of people concentrate on Covid, but the price issues began long before that. People were buying NIB LE versions of almost every Stern release because they knew that they could flip them for a profit, or even if you wanted to actually own and play it for awhile, chances were still good that you could sell it for what you paid or more. Covid just increased demand and therefore prices, and now we are seeing a market correction.
For reference the last pair of games I sold as an operator/tech to a well known mn restorer was in 2008. It was a pair of well used Attack from mars and a Mesival Madness for 1200 each. That same day I ordered a csi from Jack for 3795 shipped. Pinball is not the same. Its demographic shifted from camaraderie to more about look what I have and you don’t the newest best thing. A flux of people with either Boredom searching for the next hobby to binge dump money on as they maxed out their other hobbies cars maybe wine who knows etc., and those that just had to much money in general. It’s a very fine line and it’s not like a ok boomer thing all you have to do is research rgp from Usenet days to pinside boom. Two massive different types of people and it’s sadly not good as it’s again Middle Aged well to do white likely Republican demographic. Statistically speaking. Which was the beging basically of a elitist mentality which also jaded lots of people in the sense of I have it You don’t the next best thing and didn’t buy 5 of them to flip you must be a democrat on food stamps type persona and oh yes it exists just like that as it’s documented on forums at that time. Anyway it pushed lots of people out of hobby including myself. Wasn’t a casual thing I was deeply ingrained in the arena in game sales finding games actually shopping games. Not just wiping down the middle but taking everything off and charging 300 to do it. People used to fly me out to shop their collection and it was fun. Then the Jody/Jared era happened at stern and it legit turned dark like influencer we know how to tap into sectors and vibe stuff. People paid 6500 for bastard TF le and it was the beginning of end. We all knew they had to evolve but they turned into cash grabbing ride the demographic. Idiocy. Which in turn drew more elitist I need this 15k game to be relevant and then rinse repeat which attracts people that don’t celebrate the culture more so the pebble beach trailer queens not even the owners drive or enjoy. Like Dr Jones maybe I belong in a museum. But I miss my 900$ Bsd or 900$ JD. I tried to buy a wh20 resto candidate and it’s going for over what I sold my last full playfield Marco swap did.
For kids that grew up dreaming of owning a pinball machine it has been pretty soul crushing watching prices of even used and abused machines climb well beyond the prices of decent used vehicles...
@@jaysunteneven then a non working shitbox can set you back over 1k for a decent table then it could cost over 1k to fix even more of you don't know what you're doing which most people don't.
That was my TMNT Premium for $7150 at 10:14 in 😂. Thanks for catching it..I payed $5 to bring it to the top yesterday and now it’s on page 2 lol. Has the Katana Shooter rod and Back in 87’ code, otherwise stock. So sad the prices are now. But glad most of my collection isn’t leaving. Glad I sold my GotG Pro this summer for $6800!!! And that was a $300 loss and I feel victorious 😂
just waiting for dealers in my area to cut prices on new machines. I do see some price reductions out of California but local pinball dealer not cutting prices yet.
How so? What about JJP or Spooky or CG or... JJP games are the most expensive and not the best playing. However Stern could absolutely undercut all the competition if they would reduce costs to a point where more people could and do buy.
2 months ago I got my Godzilla premium used for 7,200 in Denver !!!! Suckers paying too much is what got us here !!! When something is not a necessity, the power is always in the buyers hand as you simply do not have to buy it!!! Let them find a sucker just don't let it be you!!!
Let those NIB sit on the warehouse floor !!!! STOP PAYING ! PLAY ON LOCATION. If we all stop paying they will have to drop prices or GO BROKE !!! POWER TO THE PEOPLE BABY !!!
Wisconsin huh? Same here. I’ve been browsing the local markets, not great luck yet. Probably going to look to pull the trigger in the spring. Would be nice to get one of these pros under $5k
I don't think those prices are strange considering they're all games that are still being produced or easily available NIB. If I'm deciding NIB or used, it has to be a pretty significant price difference for me to go choose used. People will have to take a significant hit if they're selling a machine used that's still available new. If people keep their games long enough that there's no option to buy "new", you should be able to get close to a new "pro" price if its still a highly desirable game. If it's a less popular game, don't expect people to ever pay "full price" when they have so many good NIB options they could pick.
Awesome intro, especially with the Punny Factory off the TNT Amusements roof is in play. Speaking of TNT, TMNT and Led Zeppelin pinball were advertised at $7,499 for premium. Wish I had space. Who wants to buy my Foo Fighters LE?
WAT D HAIL!!!!. the algorythm drops this into my lap, "oh cool, old pinballs". Only for me to see them getting thrown from the roof!. You guys must have them growing on trees, i cant afford even a beat to death old machine here in Australia.
Pinball is great but how are pinball halls supposed to make money when the machines are $10k? It felt like the hobby was taking off but what bars are going to invest in that?
The listing in Cali for Foo Pro says "new out of box" with 1100 plays!?! Interesting what some consider "new". Routed game most likely being listed as new out of box LOL
@@svenop, it's a great game. Sadly, I describe it as..... I LOVE the game, among the best but I only like Foo Fighters so it's on the make space list. Someone pestered me to sell my HUO Family Guy and after three months, I said I'd sell and he went dark. Not sure what his game plan was. FML
I literally wouldn't accept a Home pin unless it was given to me for free. At least then I could flip it. If you bought a home pin, sorry, you got suckered.
Can't blame Stern... they're just doing what any business would do. What you need to look at is the community. Over the past, 4 years or so... I don't think I've ever seen a community more dedicated to destroying themselves. I've watch Stern, JJP, American, etc etc release stinker after stinker... and the idiots in the hobby with more money than sense (seems to be about 90% of the community) just gobble everything up. Now the manufacturers KNOW they can charge anything they want for whatever crap license they got, and these idiots WILL buy it. Thousand bucks for a topper that's just the same toy that's on the playfield and a few leftover Black Knight fireplaces? Sure! A new re-re-release of a machine that was supposed to be "LIMITED"... sure! Constant price increases with no quality increase? SURE! Added costs for a QR scanner that most people don't give a flying **** about? SURE! Hey, mind if we put advertisements for games you ALREADY DIDN'T WANT on the machine you actually did want? SURE! Sorry your 4th NODE board (usually 8) fried... we'd let you fix it yourself, but if you're buying these games from us you're too stupid to do that... so that'll be another few hundred bucks every few months since we don't bother with actually checking the quality before we sell it. Hell, we'll even put refurbished boards on new machines to save a buck! Good luck!
It's sad to watch pinball decline in price,but I'm kind of happy because now I might be able to afford one lol. They are too expensive in my opinion. I understand how much work goes into them but I still feel they are overpriced. I hope they don't fade away. I like pinball.👍🤙
So who is a good dealer to buy from that is offering a discount? I always see people advertising list price. I got lucky and bought an Iron Maiden before the price increase, but since then, prices have been crazy.
Eventually the whales will run out of space or interest too. Glad i got my stuff 15-20 years ago cheap. Used to be a fun hobby. Ill be lucky to afford a second nib game in my life and that still pretty lucky.
@@theJohnnyPinball it really has the best toys with the giant starship you can hit that lights up just like how AFM has the saucer toy. T2 is plain simple fun with the coolest trigger plunger ever in pinball.
If they made the home market more accessible they'd survive it. Sadly pinball has always been kind of greedy in regards to sales and profit. They are literally designed to make money!
Sure the translite is worth that, it's the non-limp dic version too. Pretty amazing people pay this kind of money. Think I'll go back to books, reading is almost free these days
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Love it how people assumed that they could buy a pinball and sell for more indefinitely! It has rarely been the case with NIB machines, but over Covid prices went silly - high demand and low supply. Now with a mix of inflation and cost of living things are coming back to normal - where a 2nd hand/used machine is being sold for LESS than new- and people cannot seem to comprehend the fact that an asset can go down in value over time.
IT'S ABOUT TIME!! 😈
It seems a lot of people concentrate on Covid, but the price issues began long before that. People were buying NIB LE versions of almost every Stern release because they knew that they could flip them for a profit, or even if you wanted to actually own and play it for awhile, chances were still good that you could sell it for what you paid or more. Covid just increased demand and therefore prices, and now we are seeing a market correction.
Bingo. It just kinda happened so fast though
For reference the last pair of games I sold as an operator/tech to a well known mn restorer was in 2008. It was a pair of well used Attack from mars and a Mesival Madness for 1200 each. That same day I ordered a csi from Jack for 3795 shipped. Pinball is not the same. Its demographic shifted from camaraderie to more about look what I have and you don’t the newest best thing. A flux of people with either Boredom searching for the next hobby to binge dump money on as they maxed out their other hobbies cars maybe wine who knows etc., and those that just had to much money in general. It’s a very fine line and it’s not like a ok boomer thing all you have to do is research rgp from Usenet days to pinside boom. Two massive different types of people and it’s sadly not good as it’s again Middle Aged well to do white likely Republican demographic. Statistically speaking. Which was the beging basically of a elitist mentality which also jaded lots of people in the sense of I have it
You don’t the next best thing and didn’t buy 5 of them to flip you must be a democrat on food stamps type persona and oh yes it exists just like that as it’s documented on forums at that time. Anyway it pushed lots of people out of hobby including myself. Wasn’t a casual thing I was deeply ingrained in the arena in game sales finding games actually shopping games. Not just wiping down the middle but taking everything off and charging 300 to do it. People used to fly me out to shop their collection and it was
fun. Then the Jody/Jared era happened at stern and it legit turned dark like influencer we know how to tap into sectors and vibe stuff. People paid 6500 for bastard TF le and it was the beginning of end. We all knew they had to evolve but they turned into cash grabbing ride the demographic. Idiocy. Which in turn drew more elitist I need this 15k game to be relevant and then rinse repeat which attracts people that don’t celebrate the culture more so the pebble beach trailer queens not even the owners drive or enjoy. Like Dr Jones maybe I belong in a museum. But I miss my 900$ Bsd or 900$ JD. I tried to buy a wh20 resto candidate and it’s going for over what I sold my last full playfield Marco swap did.
For kids that grew up dreaming of owning a pinball machine it has been pretty soul crushing watching prices of even used and abused machines climb well beyond the prices of decent used vehicles...
You can buy non-working shitboxes and restore them as a hobby if you can't afford toys that cost more than a good vehicle.
@@jaysunteneven then a non working shitbox can set you back over 1k for a decent table then it could cost over 1k to fix even more of you don't know what you're doing which most people don't.
There are few projects left in the last ten years. Can still get a decent Gottlieb em if your patient for r little money
The market needs to crash. A new pinball machine should not cost $10,000. And a used one should definitely not cost $11,000 lol.
Thanks for including me!!
The Legend Todd! Honored
So glad market is settling. Buy but buy smart. Buy because you want the game. Have fun and don't see it as an investment.
That was my TMNT Premium for $7150 at 10:14 in 😂. Thanks for catching it..I payed $5 to bring it to the top yesterday and now it’s on page 2 lol. Has the Katana Shooter rod and Back in 87’ code, otherwise stock. So sad the prices are now. But glad most of my collection isn’t leaving. Glad I sold my GotG Pro this summer for $6800!!! And that was a $300 loss and I feel victorious 😂
just waiting for dealers in my area to cut prices on new machines. I do see some price reductions out of California but local pinball dealer not cutting prices yet.
Same my local dealer was charging for shipping! He finally made that free, thats it!
Hopefully new pinball machine prices come down to more affordable levels.
Sterns greed is to blame.
How so? What about JJP or Spooky or CG or... JJP games are the most expensive and not the best playing. However Stern could absolutely undercut all the competition if they would reduce costs to a point where more people could and do buy.
@@willierants5880your in denial.
I think we seeing the bubble
The Lance Belmont robotech background song, ha!
Yup Stern has flooded their own market like a clogged toilet. Bravo Seth Davis 👏
Competition returning to a market that was previously a circumstantial monopoly is not a crash, it’s the resumption of an actual competitive industry
2 months ago I got my Godzilla premium used for 7,200 in Denver !!!! Suckers paying too much is what got us here !!! When something is not a necessity, the power is always in the buyers hand as you simply do not have to buy it!!! Let them find a sucker just don't let it be you!!!
Let those NIB sit on the warehouse floor !!!! STOP PAYING ! PLAY ON LOCATION. If we all stop paying they will have to drop prices or GO BROKE !!! POWER TO THE PEOPLE BABY !!!
Wisconsin huh? Same here. I’ve been browsing the local markets, not great luck yet. Probably going to look to pull the trigger in the spring. Would be nice to get one of these pros under $5k
They could have SAVED those Dead Machines for parts, playfields and boards.
Good, keep on letting the prices drop!! Im in the market for a few in the next few months lol
I don't think those prices are strange considering they're all games that are still being produced or easily available NIB. If I'm deciding NIB or used, it has to be a pretty significant price difference for me to go choose used. People will have to take a significant hit if they're selling a machine used that's still available new. If people keep their games long enough that there's no option to buy "new", you should be able to get close to a new "pro" price if its still a highly desirable game. If it's a less popular game, don't expect people to ever pay "full price" when they have so many good NIB options they could pick.
Awesome intro, especially with the Punny Factory off the TNT Amusements roof is in play.
Speaking of TNT, TMNT and Led Zeppelin pinball were advertised at $7,499 for premium. Wish I had space.
Who wants to buy my Foo Fighters LE?
PS: I'm in the Philadelphia metro area and close to some of the deals you showed. Hmmmmmm
LZ is stellar game.
Do it! Or wait until January when all the xmas bills are due
I gotta admit, the 4K 120Hz screen for virtual pinball is pretty convincing
It's not 3d,like a real machine
The pinball games off the roof made me cry too‼️😩
WAT D HAIL!!!!. the algorythm drops this into my lap, "oh cool, old pinballs".
Only for me to see them getting thrown from the roof!. You guys must have them growing on trees, i cant afford even a beat to death old machine here in Australia.
Yeah that rooftop footage was very difficult for a poor kid from Kentucky who will likely never own a machine to view.
Pinball is great but how are pinball halls supposed to make money when the machines are $10k? It felt like the hobby was taking off but what bars are going to invest in that?
Venom is not worth $5500 LOL
The listing in Cali for Foo Pro says "new out of box" with 1100 plays!?! Interesting what some consider "new". Routed game most likely being listed as new out of box LOL
Hahaha. True. My FF LE is up for sale with under 200 plays. HUO and never routed. How someone played more than 1,000 games at home is impressive.
@@ScottParisi We have over 900 on our Foo LE! It's home but everyone loves it so it gets played!
@@svenop, it's a great game.
Sadly, I describe it as..... I LOVE the game, among the best but I only like Foo Fighters so it's on the make space list. Someone pestered me to sell my HUO Family Guy and after three months, I said I'd sell and he went dark. Not sure what his game plan was. FML
13:10 love it! Klause Meine has nothing on you Johnny.
Glad we got rid of zeppelin right before the crash happened
I literally wouldn't accept a Home pin unless it was given to me for free. At least then I could flip it. If you bought a home pin, sorry, you got suckered.
Are you an operator?
Can't blame Stern... they're just doing what any business would do. What you need to look at is the community. Over the past, 4 years or so... I don't think I've ever seen a community more dedicated to destroying themselves. I've watch Stern, JJP, American, etc etc release stinker after stinker... and the idiots in the hobby with more money than sense (seems to be about 90% of the community) just gobble everything up. Now the manufacturers KNOW they can charge anything they want for whatever crap license they got, and these idiots WILL buy it.
Thousand bucks for a topper that's just the same toy that's on the playfield and a few leftover Black Knight fireplaces? Sure!
A new re-re-release of a machine that was supposed to be "LIMITED"... sure!
Constant price increases with no quality increase? SURE!
Added costs for a QR scanner that most people don't give a flying **** about? SURE!
Hey, mind if we put advertisements for games you ALREADY DIDN'T WANT on the machine you actually did want? SURE!
Sorry your 4th NODE board (usually 8) fried... we'd let you fix it yourself, but if you're buying these games from us you're too stupid to do that... so that'll be another few hundred bucks every few months since we don't bother with actually checking the quality before we sell it. Hell, we'll even put refurbished boards on new machines to save a buck! Good luck!
why are all those pinball machines being destroyed?
Legend has it they were broken
That part with those guys tossing the pinball machines off the top of that building is just cringe.
It's sad really, those are like handcrafted works of art in a way.
It's sad to watch pinball decline in price,but I'm kind of happy because now I might be able to afford one lol. They are too expensive in my opinion. I understand how much work goes into them but I still feel they are overpriced. I hope they don't fade away. I like pinball.👍🤙
So who is a good dealer to buy from that is offering a discount? I always see people advertising list price. I got lucky and bought an Iron Maiden before the price increase, but since then, prices have been crazy.
That I don't know. I got my NIB from the IFPA
good take, you earn my subscribe.
This needs to happen. The prices are way out of hand for pinball.
Great Video!
Eventually the whales will run out of space or interest too. Glad i got my stuff 15-20 years ago cheap. Used to be a fun hobby. Ill be lucky to afford a second nib game in my life and that still pretty lucky.
lol Robotech background music.
First thing I noticed!
I do get over it when machines go for $10k or more.
I am waiting for an Elvira HOH Premium and Godfather CE to come out on sale and maybe Startrek LE, AFM and T2 those are fun great games.
Star trek LE sure is a looker
@@theJohnnyPinball it really has the best toys with the giant starship you can hit that lights up just like how AFM has the saucer toy. T2 is plain simple fun with the coolest trigger plunger ever in pinball.
I also have a soft spot for the next gen star trek. Its so immersive. Somone needs to mod the stern ST into next gen
You will be waiting for a while.
Scorpions, yes.
Is Theatre of Magic still 14K? LMAO
LZ sucks. To bad, I love the band but the pin was a huge disappointment from SR.
Have you played the premium? It’s actually pretty decent B level game
I guess pinball isnt ready to sustain new pin companies.
Who will be the first to go under?
If they made the home market more accessible they'd survive it. Sadly pinball has always been kind of greedy in regards to sales and profit. They are literally designed to make money!
I've got $2,500 for anyone looking to unload their Lord of the Rings or Metallica Premium.
Sure the translite is worth that, it's the non-limp dic version too. Pretty amazing people pay this kind of money. Think I'll go back to books, reading is almost free these days
I'd like get a Metallica premium. Everyone I've seen are going for nib sterns 10k+
You’re welcome?
pardon?
I hope they crash so I can afford to buy a newer model
the bubble has busted!!!! Let the prices start falling!!!!
Did you really spell it PINBAL in your thumbnail? Does no one proof their work?
Absolutely no proofing, videos get uploaded around midnight usually
wtf
watch till the end! 🤣