I'll say it again, this is my favorite off-road/overland channel. The videography, knowledge, tips, etc. So entertaining and I'm always learning from you all. Thank you!
Another great video with some fun and frivolity…as normal. Glad John wasn’t hurt and just goes to show how flexible a plate steel bumper can be when it’s mashed between 5500# and a tree.
Another great video and awesome footage and adventure in snow, we never get this much snow in Kiwiland, thanks and thumbs up and hello from New Zealand,, Tony.
@@aired-downoverland9239 oh there were crowds… 74 rigs showed up for this run up to Hamma Hamma Falls in the Olympics.. it was insane, a 4WD circus and way too much waiting. I only got stuck once and still had fun 😊
@@Pamela_PNW Holy cow, that’s too many rigs for me; hope it was a fun event, wait time aside. Let us know if you’re ever in our area and we’ll see if we can sync up on a trail; I can promise it will be a lot fewer rigs 😄. Happy Adventuring!
I think John will have a new hood and bumper in his future. But, he is heading to the Rubicon Trail. So, he will probably wait to see what type of damage occurs on that trip ha ha!
These are great videos. I will never go as hard core as you all do. But it is great to not only hear/read but also see what you faced in various conditions so I can more quickly gauge when it is time to stop and turn around. Thanks for putting these together!
Another great video, Gents. I got myself in an almost exact same situation a couple years ago - minus kissing a tree. That pack on top seems wonderful, until you break through it in a melty spot. Love the sunny days in the snow though.
Looked like a nice base camp and adventure! Looked like some ruff driving, good thing you have some great rigs. You have some great tips. I will have to wait a little longer but makes me want to get out there!
Thanks! Loved your Sky Island video. The Tilloomk State Forest has some amazing spots like the one you camped at. The clouds in the morning valley was awesome!
You folks are awesome! Well Explained with a Great Attitude Super nice Footage! I enjoy your Stuff and thank you for sharing your experience with all 👍👍👍 🇺🇸 🗽 🇺🇸 GO 4RUNNER 👍 THE VERMONTER
I absolutely love the brotherly fun on your videos. That is sooo entertaining while learning alot from the videos. It is sad that accident happened and thank goodness no air bags deployed. Without that bull bar its clearly game over with a damaged radiator.
Great video. From this side of the computer screen, it looked like the older landcruiser did better in the white stuff than your 5th gen 4Runners. That things is a tank.
Right on! If you want to be in the GearAmerica drawing...leave a comment in our video "Running Hard on Wet Roads" with the word "GearAmerica." That way, you will automatically be included in the drawing. Cheers!
Thank you for posting this video... Too bad about the tree getting in the way! It looked like water on top of ice which is as slick as it gets. Nice Job!
Thanks! John was lucky to find a new (used) hood for a cheap price. He had a shop do some work on the metal bumper. Now, he's ready for his next adventure. He is headed to Rubicon which, if it lives up to its reputation, will undoubtedly result in another repair bill ha ha!
I’m in the Rocky Mountains Tundra WildPeaks, when the incline is too steep in the snow start to lose traction uphill. I haven’t used all the tools with it still early winter Nov. I got chains, good tires, MTS, 4wd, crawl. Still want to add max tracks, air down and up, shovel, ropes, 2nd vehicle, winch, maybe bag of cat litter, . Still learning MTS modes is best for snow. Reading terrain, deciding when to turn around, knowing how much help I got if I get stuck and how much risk I can take . Obviously alone won’t push it as far as if I had other rigs there for recovery.
Nice video! My Wagon is heavy, over 8,100 pounds and I really felt the defeat of not making it through the mush. Late season snow is the worst. Great tips and bummer about the damage.
Per usual, you give me almost nothing to critique. Dang it! lol Which means you know what you are talking about and everyone that visits your videos should take note. That being said, I do have a caveat on #3. I believe I shared a story of my own with you that contradicts the theory the light weight rig should go 1st. Because IF and when the heavier rig gets stuck behind you, you are doomed. lol While I agree in principal the lightweight should go 1st(and that is how I roll)it can be problematic if the following vehicle is not capable of a proper recovery. The conditions you showed here is exactly how it was for my cousin and I that got into that pickle of a situation. Had I been in the trailing position(light weight) when he got stuck, we could have just abandoned it and drove out in mine. (coming back when conditions were more favorable for the recovery) And I don't know if there really is a right or wrong in this scenario, except to say that one has to read the terrain properly, have the right recovery gear and experiences for anything.(not to mention emergency rations should you fail to get out for awhile)Too many inexperienced people with out any recovery gear or supplies just romp up into the snow with open differential 4x4s thinking that is all they need. And inevitably doomed to failure in the worst ways.
@@OverlandPNW May probably a good time to test it out, we used drone to scouting ahead see how far snow covers. It probably about 3-4 miles, plus it was only 4000 ft elevation, higher up probably worst. That’s the main reason we decided to turn around…. Please make a video if you decide to run the WABDR! We need intel! 😁😁
So you're telling me that we shouldn't have sent the power wagon first, late in the day with an inexperienced driver? 😂 All seriousness it took approx 2 hours and a very nice jeep to yank me out and get the mile or so off the trail. I also did everything you could wrong. Didn't air down, enabled the lockers, was in 4wd high, not low. I was the city guy in the offroad truck not knowing a thing to do and man did I sink down to the frame like every 200ft. Live and learn right?
Thanks! To participate in the drawing for the gear, hop over to my video called "Running Hard on Wet Roads" and leave a comment with the word "GearAmerica." Cheers!
Hey great video, and always appreciated. I see a lot of use of kinetic ropes in your videos where the recovery vehicle is pulling in reverse. I was always taught that this can be really bad for your transmission. Is that something you subscribe to, or what are your thoughts? The two things I never do is use reverse gears when recovering a stuck vehicle, and using my winch like a strap or rope, i.e. using my vehicle's drive gears to drive the vehicle in reverse to pull rather than just using the winch motor. I see a ton of guys in my area using their winch cable as a recovery strap, and I literally RUN when they're about to do it.
You are correct that using reverse gears to recover a stuck vehicle is not the best practice. It uses the weaker side of the gears and can damage transmissions. It is a good topic to bring up in one of my next videos. So, thanks for the reminder. After doing a litter research, I found that some people like doing extractions in reverse using a kinetic rope because they can see the stuck vehicle better. Others feel that they are skilled at letting momentum -- instead of throttle and gears -- do the extraction. Regardless of the rationale, (in addition to the risk of transmission damage) when you use reverse gears for an extraction, you introduce the risk of having the strap, clevis, tow hook, etc. fly through your windshield. I also agree with your comments about not using winch cables as recovery straps. Thanks for the comment!
@@OverlandPNW That's great, looking forward to seeing some content on that topic! Love your videos.. keep 'em comin'. And if you ever wanna go wheelin' in Idaho let me know! haha
🚛🚛🚛Hey given an easy option to swap out tires. Would you rather have had a skinny (255/85/16) or a wider (285/75/16) tire for the kind of snow that you experienced on this drive? Or snow in general.
Just go with the tire you like. Comparing those two tires, the first one is 10.04 inches wide and the second is 11.22 inches wide. They are both 33 inch tires (33.07" and 32.83"). So, based on that, pick the tire you think will work best for the conditions you drive in. Cheers!
My tire is BF Goodrich T/A K02 315/70R17. Steve also runs a BF Goodrich T/A K02. His is: 285/75R17. Of the two tires, mine definitely took a lot more work to fit without rubbing. So, the 285/75R17 is probably the better choice. Both require about a 3" lift. We both have the same wheels (mine are bronze and his are black). They are: Method 704 in 17x8.5. Cheers!
@@erniekropf665 They are not true bead grip wheels. But, they are the Method "Bead Grip Technology." They have grooves machined into inner circumference of the wheel that provide a stronger hold. They seem to work. We go down to 10 psi and below all the time and have never lost a bead.
I use the Exped DeepSleep Mat 7.5 Sleeping Pad in my iKamper. I used to use the Exped MegaMat 10 Sleeping Pad but it is about 1 inch thicker. I like the thinner one because it is just as comfortable and the iKamper closes easier and allows me to leave bedding in the iKamper. Cheers!
Chains are great and there's not question that they can be a powerful traction tool in the snow. I don't like the hassle of chains so I have not actually used them in a long time but I like the idea of carrying a set of chains for use when needed.
Yes, chains can help in snow. Chains are at their very best in the snow when you can get down through the surface snow to some really solid packed snow/ice that the chains can bite into. In slush, soft snow, powder, etc. they don't add that much.
I'll say it again, this is my favorite off-road/overland channel. The videography, knowledge, tips, etc. So entertaining and I'm always learning from you all. Thank you!
Thanks! Can't wait to see the new truck reveal on your channel!
Another great video with some fun and frivolity…as normal. Glad John wasn’t hurt and just goes to show how flexible a plate steel bumper can be when it’s mashed between 5500# and a tree.
Thanks! Yes, a tree and a 5500# rig can give plate steel a good flex test ha ha!
Trees always win!
Seems like tree ended up getting into his way. lol
Glad no one was hurt. Thanks for the video
Totally agree about the tree ha ha!
Love the content, keep it up
Appreciate the kind words! Cheers!
Another great video and awesome footage and adventure in snow, we never get this much snow in Kiwiland, thanks and thumbs up and hello from New Zealand,, Tony.
Thanks! Love your fishing videos!
My favorite content never get enough
Very kind words! Thanks so much!
Thanks for a fun video and some great tips. Awesome scenery too !
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Thanks! I've been enjoying your videos! Amazing quality!
Watching this before I head out for a snow run today! You and your brother are the best… more videos please :)
Thanks so much! Have fun in the snow and Happy New Year!
@Pam_and_Pax Hoping you have an amazing and fun trip; snow wheeling can be done of the best of the year…and no crowds 😉
@@aired-downoverland9239 oh there were crowds… 74 rigs showed up for this run up to Hamma Hamma Falls in the Olympics.. it was insane, a 4WD circus and way too much waiting. I only got stuck once and still had fun 😊
@@Pamela_PNW Holy cow, that’s too many rigs for me; hope it was a fun event, wait time aside. Let us know if you’re ever in our area and we’ll see if we can sync up on a trail; I can promise it will be a lot fewer rigs 😄. Happy Adventuring!
Right on bro! Love the videos as always keep up the good work
Thanks for the kind words!
Wow, pulling the vehicle out by hand? Now I'm really impressed!! Bummer about John's car. Beautiful scenery and good tips!
I think John will have a new hood and bumper in his future. But, he is heading to the Rubicon Trail. So, he will probably wait to see what type of damage occurs on that trip ha ha!
@@OverlandPNW yeah that makes sense!!
These are great videos. I will never go as hard core as you all do. But it is great to not only hear/read but also see what you faced in various conditions so I can more quickly gauge when it is time to stop and turn around. Thanks for putting these together!
Thanks for the great comment!
Glad everyone was ok. Thanks for the tips!
Another great video, Gents. I got myself in an almost exact same situation a couple years ago - minus kissing a tree. That pack on top seems wonderful, until you break through it in a melty spot. Love the sunny days in the snow though.
Thanks! Your bull wallow video was great!
@@OverlandPNW Thanks much. I'm not too serious about being a publisher, as you can see. I do spend a lot of time in the woods.
You are rich in knowledge buddy. Always something to learn from you.
I appreciate that!
Enjoy the videos! Good times, thanks for the tips!
Thanks for watching! And big thanks for the nice comment as well! Cheers!
Looked like a nice base camp and adventure! Looked like some ruff driving, good thing you have some great rigs. You have some great tips. I will have to wait a little longer but makes me want to get out there!
Thanks! Loved your Sky Island video. The Tilloomk State Forest has some amazing spots like the one you camped at. The clouds in the morning valley was awesome!
Great tips! I should have watched this before my Wisconsin trip a few weeks ago!
Thanks! Love your channel. Just watched your latest video on the 48 quart fridge.
@@OverlandPNW Love yours too! Thanks for warching!
Great video. Almost as fun to watch as it was in real life. Sorry about the close encounter with the tree.
Big thanks for the comment! We had fun but wish we made it to the lake...next time ha ha!
Loving the videos man! Very entertaining with some valuable lessons lol
Thanks! The comment is appreciated!
Good information and a fun trip with a group of friends enjoying the GREAT OUTDOORS!!!
Thanks again for the ride along!!
Our pleasure and thanks so much for the comment!
Great advice, chains can be a game changer when it gets icy.
Thanks and totally agree about chains! That Griots Garage Ceramic All-In-One wax you used in your last video was amazing stuff!
What a fun trip! Feels like PNW's snow is more difficult to drive on than Colorado's.
Thanks! Either PNW snow is more difficult to drive in or we are just not good at it ha ha! Cheers!
You guys are awesome and informative, should have thousands viewing this!
Thanks so much for the kind words!
As always- knowledge bombs. Keep rocking!
Big thanks for that comment!!
You folks are awesome! Well Explained with a Great Attitude
Super nice Footage! I enjoy your Stuff and thank you for sharing your experience with all 👍👍👍
🇺🇸 🗽 🇺🇸 GO 4RUNNER 👍
THE VERMONTER
Thanks so much for the great comment! Cheers!
I absolutely love the brotherly fun on your videos. That is sooo entertaining while learning alot from the videos. It is sad that accident happened and thank goodness no air bags deployed. Without that bull bar its clearly game over with a damaged radiator.
Thanks! Yes, he has some bumper repair/replace decisions to make! Great job on your rock slider video!
My VW has difficulty driving in the sun, so when it snows I don't move it. Still, when I get my truck, these tips may come in handy. 😁
Yeah, a VW is probably not the best off-roading choice ha ha. Then again, with a lift, new axles, lockers, etc.....
@@OverlandPNW it’s not the best On-Roading choice.
Great video. From this side of the computer screen, it looked like the older landcruiser did better in the white stuff than your 5th gen 4Runners. That things is a tank.
Yes, the Land Cruiser was a great rig. He also had a light build, which helps a lot in the snow!
Gear America! Nice.
It's magic! ❤
Right on! If you want to be in the GearAmerica drawing...leave a comment in our video "Running Hard on Wet Roads" with the word "GearAmerica." That way, you will automatically be included in the drawing. Cheers!
Thank you for posting this video... Too bad about the tree getting in the way! It looked like water on top of ice which is as slick as it gets. Nice Job!
Thanks! John was lucky to find a new (used) hood for a cheap price. He had a shop do some work on the metal bumper. Now, he's ready for his next adventure. He is headed to Rubicon which, if it lives up to its reputation, will undoubtedly result in another repair bill ha ha!
I’m in the Rocky Mountains Tundra WildPeaks, when the incline is too steep in the snow start to lose traction uphill. I haven’t used all the tools with it still early winter Nov. I got chains, good tires, MTS, 4wd, crawl. Still want to add max tracks, air down and up, shovel, ropes, 2nd vehicle, winch, maybe bag of cat litter, . Still learning MTS modes is best for snow. Reading terrain, deciding when to turn around, knowing how much help I got if I get stuck and how much risk I can take . Obviously alone won’t push it as far as if I had other rigs there for recovery.
Sounds like you know what you are doing and how to have fun! Cheers!
Amazing adventures as always and lots of helpful tips! Thanks for sharing
Thanks! Your Spring Alps video was amazing!
Thanks for sharing, love the videos!
Thanks for the awesome comment!
Love the time you put into your videos!
Big thanks for that comment and glad you like them!
This is such a good video! Thank you. ❤
Thanks so much ! Glad you enjoyed it! Cheers!
Another awesome video.
Appreciate that !
Nice video! My Wagon is heavy, over 8,100 pounds and I really felt the defeat of not making it through the mush. Late season snow is the worst. Great tips and bummer about the damage.
Totally agree about late season snow ha ha...its the worst! Big thanks for the comment. Cheers!
we love your content!
Big thanks for that comment! The kick in your Call of Duty video was awesome!
Great tips, thanks for sharing!
Thanks for watching and for the comment!
Hi! Beauty is all around. This time I had to sip.
Thank you for the comment!
looks epic adventures love it.
Thanks! Your White Rim Trail video was great!
awesome adventure.. the road looks chalenging, thanks for sharing, greetings new friend
Thanks and greetings!
good times!!!!!~! nice tips!!!!
Thanks! You video of Barstow CA was cool! I like open country like that. Cheers!
@@OverlandPNW thanks lived here all my life tons of things hiding in the desert with vary slow decay rates.
your guys car look nice for adventure trip look fun tour
Thanks!
Great video!
I’m guessing you all were adventuring out and about the Metolius? Looked like a blast!
Thanks and good eye! Yes we were out and about the Metolius. It is one of my fly fishing favorite rivers.
excellent video I love congratulations
Thank you very much! I liked you Commerce Square video!
👍🎊🤣looks like a great time..out there.
Thanks! It was!
Great clip mate, glad the accident was only minor. Cheers Steve
Thanks! I've enjoyed your Victorian High Country videos!
Per usual, you give me almost nothing to critique. Dang it! lol Which means you know what you are talking about and everyone that visits your videos should take note. That being said, I do have a caveat on #3. I believe I shared a story of my own with you that contradicts the theory the light weight rig should go 1st. Because IF and when the heavier rig gets stuck behind you, you are doomed. lol While I agree in principal the lightweight should go 1st(and that is how I roll)it can be problematic if the following vehicle is not capable of a proper recovery. The conditions you showed here is exactly how it was for my cousin and I that got into that pickle of a situation. Had I been in the trailing position(light weight) when he got stuck, we could have just abandoned it and drove out in mine. (coming back when conditions were more favorable for the recovery) And I don't know if there really is a right or wrong in this scenario, except to say that one has to read the terrain properly, have the right recovery gear and experiences for anything.(not to mention emergency rations should you fail to get out for awhile)Too many inexperienced people with out any recovery gear or supplies just romp up into the snow with open differential 4x4s thinking that is all they need. And inevitably doomed to failure in the worst ways.
All good points! Many thanks for sharing and adding to the collective wisdom!
We had to turnaround yesterday because the slushy snow. WABDR section 1……. Pretty Stock TRD ORP, and a pretty stock wrangler…
I've been wondering what the snow was like on WABDR. We will definitely do a few sections this year. Thanks!
@@OverlandPNW May probably a good time to test it out, we used drone to scouting ahead see how far snow covers. It probably about 3-4 miles, plus it was only 4000 ft elevation, higher up probably worst. That’s the main reason we decided to turn around…. Please make a video if you decide to run the WABDR! We need intel! 😁😁
@@Faknm Will do. Thanks for the info!
So you're telling me that we shouldn't have sent the power wagon first, late in the day with an inexperienced driver? 😂 All seriousness it took approx 2 hours and a very nice jeep to yank me out and get the mile or so off the trail. I also did everything you could wrong. Didn't air down, enabled the lockers, was in 4wd high, not low. I was the city guy in the offroad truck not knowing a thing to do and man did I sink down to the frame like every 200ft. Live and learn right?
Yes indeed..live and learn! Wise words. In so many ways, we all just figure it out as we go ha ha! Cheers!
Was that the three sisters in back ground
Good eye! We were in that area!
Tip: Never use your daily driver for off road fun. Makes roading way more fun.
That camping spot looked awesome. Hopefully the third time is the charm and you can show us that lake!
Thanks! Next time...we'll make it to the lake ha ha!
Great stuff guys. What brand tires are you guys using ?
We are using BFGoodrich All Terrain KO2 tires.
Thank you for the videos.
Hope to win the gear
Thanks! To participate in the drawing for the gear, hop over to my video called "Running Hard on Wet Roads" and leave a comment with the word "GearAmerica." Cheers!
Hey great video, and always appreciated. I see a lot of use of kinetic ropes in your videos where the recovery vehicle is pulling in reverse. I was always taught that this can be really bad for your transmission. Is that something you subscribe to, or what are your thoughts?
The two things I never do is use reverse gears when recovering a stuck vehicle, and using my winch like a strap or rope, i.e. using my vehicle's drive gears to drive the vehicle in reverse to pull rather than just using the winch motor. I see a ton of guys in my area using their winch cable as a recovery strap, and I literally RUN when they're about to do it.
You are correct that using reverse gears to recover a stuck vehicle is not the best practice. It uses the weaker side of the gears and can damage transmissions. It is a good topic to bring up in one of my next videos. So, thanks for the reminder. After doing a litter research, I found that some people like doing extractions in reverse using a kinetic rope because they can see the stuck vehicle better. Others feel that they are skilled at letting momentum -- instead of throttle and gears -- do the extraction. Regardless of the rationale, (in addition to the risk of transmission damage) when you use reverse gears for an extraction, you introduce the risk of having the strap, clevis, tow hook, etc. fly through your windshield. I also agree with your comments about not using winch cables as recovery straps. Thanks for the comment!
@@OverlandPNW That's great, looking forward to seeing some content on that topic! Love your videos.. keep 'em comin'. And if you ever wanna go wheelin' in Idaho let me know! haha
🚛🚛🚛Hey given an easy option to swap out tires.
Would you rather have had a skinny (255/85/16) or a wider (285/75/16) tire for the kind of snow that you experienced on this drive? Or snow in general.
Just go with the tire you like. Comparing those two tires, the first one is 10.04 inches wide and the second is 11.22 inches wide. They are both 33 inch tires (33.07" and 32.83"). So, based on that, pick the tire you think will work best for the conditions you drive in. Cheers!
Once the truck's belly is rubbing there is no more going forward in snow. Thank goodness for shovels.
So true!
What make, model and size are the wheels and tires on the 2 4runners?
My tire is BF Goodrich T/A K02 315/70R17. Steve also runs a BF Goodrich T/A K02. His is: 285/75R17. Of the two tires, mine definitely took a lot more work to fit without rubbing. So, the 285/75R17 is probably the better choice. Both require about a 3" lift. We both have the same wheels (mine are bronze and his are black). They are: Method 704 in 17x8.5. Cheers!
@@OverlandPNW are they the bead grip Wheels?
@@erniekropf665 They are not true bead grip wheels. But, they are the Method "Bead Grip Technology." They have grooves machined into inner circumference of the wheel that provide a stronger hold. They seem to work. We go down to 10 psi and below all the time and have never lost a bead.
Great tips …. Another one is dont go off-roading solo. Always have a team.
Very true!
What kind of mattress did you recommend in the video?
I use the Exped DeepSleep Mat 7.5 Sleeping Pad in my iKamper. I used to use the Exped MegaMat 10 Sleeping Pad but it is about 1 inch thicker. I like the thinner one because it is just as comfortable and the iKamper closes easier and allows me to leave bedding in the iKamper. Cheers!
Your thoughts on using tire chains?
Chains are great and there's not question that they can be a powerful traction tool in the snow. I don't like the hassle of chains so I have not actually used them in a long time but I like the idea of carrying a set of chains for use when needed.
What size tires are you guys running?
Hi. I am running BF Goodrich T/A K02 315/70R17. My brother has the same tire in 285/75R17.
Snow chains wouldn’t help?
Yes, chains can help in snow. Chains are at their very best in the snow when you can get down through the surface snow to some really solid packed snow/ice that the chains can bite into. In slush, soft snow, powder, etc. they don't add that much.
Did he repair the damage, or just live with it?
He put a new hood on. So far, he is just living with the dent in the front steel bumper but I'm sure that will be replaced in due time ha ha!
love the content man
Big thanks!
Another great video
I appreciate that!