Played against a guy on fightcade. Dude was able to select a secret character in literally less than 2 seconds, and wave dashes like 10 times in 1 second. And mofo swears he’s not using macros or 1 button dashing.
3p and 3k macros are whatever. So is mapping nothing at all(which is extremely powerful once you learn that your opponent is probably watching your physical movements). Anything beyond that is sus.
The way it uses Chun-Li’s air stomp is just crazy. Even the first attack it constantly uses it consistently as low as possible so it’s probably considered both overhead and crouch so it’s unblockable.
@@kingdavid7516 The replay shows inputs. This person is a known cheater and the replays are flagged as Tool assisted. Go check the replays yourself. Don't just trust this video but actually go look at the replay yourself to see the Scripts he was using here. Real players are never this accurate or consistent.
Impossible. The players who play like this online (I'm pretty sure there are more than one) wouldn't be able to pull off 1/0th of this stuff on actual arcade sticks, i.e. the controllers the games were designed for. At the very least, they're keyboard-warriors only. They would never show at an actual live tournament.
@@kingdavid7516 That guy is a known confirmed cheater, the community analized his replays which tell you the inputs. there's a lot of things you can analize to be able to tell for sure if they are cheating or not, such as reaction time and how robotic and clean their inputs look
Bots are everywhere, even on SF6 theres a planty. Some are using bots or AI to reach the top online ranking and its obvious when you have the opportunity to fight them
@@gustavom3713 In this case, it's probably a guy cheating, but all the movement is reproducible. Especially the War Machine stuff. His War Machine combos were meh at best. Just d,b, any kick to fly, then any of the punches you do while flying are cancellable with 3p. I played this game very heavily for a 10 year period on MAME, then GGPO, and I was out of the scene by the time Fightcade game around, but nothing in this video was really impressive.
definitely a bot or script user. war machine confirming a stray lp while flying into the one of the most difficult infinites, chunli with that movement and all stray hits in the air with a down mk then guardbreak into super.
just played in a road to world tour community "official" tournament for DBFZ and I encountered bots like this, I called them and all their shtty discord (that probably is into the fakery as well) got triggered just because I asked "what if I think someone is cheating, what can I do" and they started to call me stuff. it's fkn impossible and is really obvious, but they will never accept it, different discord communities do this for tournaments and they never reach lan because they're actually fkn ]]]]] a s s and they can't use their bs there, the playstyles are just too obviously different
yeah it's a strategy if they come out attacking. it punishes people who mindlessly attack, especially scrubs who use Wolverine and spam his easy combos. his Chun is on another level than his entire team and he has no idea how to stop it. he needs to learn how and stop calling people cheaters.
@@bjrnhalfhand2258 any proof? link to evidence? all i see is people saying he is a cheater without evidence. justin doesn't even know what an uncombo is in this game, so i don't trust him as an authority
The way in which Chun and Wolverine were nerfed for MVC2 is absolutely mind-boggling. Yeah, they certainly needed a few tweaks here and there but Capcom took it way too far with both of them.
No, it won't. Cheaters are rampant on all platforms and more so on Fighting games. Devs don't go after cheating because the community is already very small that they can't afford to lose more people.
@@AleksPizana not so much in fighting games, when it happens its on PC, also its pretty hard to detect unlike in a FPS game where its too obvious its possible on other platforms but virtually no one even bothers
dose anyone know at the start of the round how many frames you have to block that chun li stomp? I know my reflexes wouldnt be fast enough to block that, even if I was excepting it
I had a few people in fightcade actually fight this guy and many of them are legit monsters in mvc1. But as they were looking at mr combo they said he was veru suspicious. Then they find out he is s straight up cheater and called him out. He legit rage quit and never came back on that night
Vídeos like this are a great way tô expose these scrubs while At The same time exposing The ignorance of People in The comment section. It literally takes me less then a second after Just looking At that guys movement that i know He hás macros/scripts/turbo everything you can think off tô pull pretty much a pseudo TAS level of gameplay online and i am not even taking into account lag which One person in The comments even admitted that He tried tô lag switch The scrub but to no avail (as expected with someone using all The above). Now some people are dunking on Justin for "not knowing" what MVC1 uncombo is despite The fact He even explained what it is in his channel but since its hás been awhile and with his focus on other games, He most likely forgot that detail. That aside him remembering it Or not wouldnt do a damn thing tô change The outcome of The fight as no matter how tight of a window uncombos of MVC1 are, with scripts anyone with 2 braincells will get the timing on it everytime and theres nothing The opponent can do other than hoping The other player messes it up... Which they will never do with scripts unless they are THAT terrible (not taking into account that someone cheating is into itself The definition of a loser). Despite all The cheating of that scrub, My man Justin still manages tô win a set and if someone is cheating and they lose, they might as well never touch the game ever again. Fighting against cheaters is the definion of misery in most instances but when you win against a cheater, its pretty much The equivalent of winning EVO in comparison.
it's not that hard. justin doesn't know how uncombos work in MVC1. too many scrubs stick with Strider and Wolverine and when they face off against a really good Chun-Li or Spider-Man player with fancy combos, uncombos and cross-ups they get flabbergasted. he should really apologize for calling this guy a cheater.
Yesterday I played Third Strike with a guy who played Ken who used MP->HP->DP combo straight after my char was getting up and I couldn't block it, hit a throw or parry. Usually all of this strategies work, but with him neither worked even once! I don't know how he did it, but it seems that he was perfectly hitting a frame where the character was basically defendless
As someone that used to play MvC1 on fightcade and GGPO, I don't think he was a bot. That said... 1) He's Definitely using that ppp macro to its fullest potential, especially with War Machine. 2) I had no idea that Chun's jumping down mk (x2) is an uncombo/unblockable. That Has to be new tech... which is Amazing. Edit: apparently he's already confirmed a cheater lol. Still not a bot, but a cheater nonetheless. As they said in other comments, he can't pull up on real sticks and do half this stuff... But I'm REALLY interested in that Chun uncombo/unblockable.
He always instant stomp you at the beginning of every round without fail is an indication. Also, that Chun triangle jump to escape your Wolverine blockstring pressure and then countered with combos is mad sus....😂😂😂
Drpepper here in this transition 4:28 my suspicions for zamacona was that, in his challenge to other top players he does the same thing , not human can have a reaction like that and always, not only that , wolverine has a back dash jump , when war is flying if wolverine does back dash his icon disappear and gets back and in that frame of the back dash with wolverine , wars light kick in air activates hahahahah 😉 😀
I can't believe the editor cooked Justin by making the timer and then showing it to our face that Justin lost in 27 seconds the editor either deserves a raise or get fired
@@kenshiro7960most fightcade mvc player won’t be if they don’t add the emulator extra buttons. Doing supers with emulator 3k and 3p buttons is 200% easier. Plus they allow infs to be consistent
My guess is , super jump into stomp cancelation , thats because doing super jump and you hit the opponent , leaves you in a se mi fying position ,but doing that in the same framevof jump , seems imposible with 3 buttons doing that requires the macro 3k ,
7:45-7:55 That Move is Too OP they need to Nerf it at least make it a LV3 Requirement since the Damage Output is Similar to Akumas Raging Deamon which requires LV 3
iirc the top tiers were WM/GWM, Red/Venom, and then honestly I don't even really remember after that. Chun and Shadow Lady are probably good but not broken.
After watching these matches many times, I've been having this impression that Strider's Ouroboros mix-up "attempts" do NOT work anymore against this level of players Justin comes across.
JWong be like: "You cheated not only the game, but yourself. You didn't grow. You didn't improve. You took a shortcut and gained nothing. You experienced a hollow victory. Nothing was risked and nothing was gained. It's sad that you don't know the difference."
my kind of chunli he really has it going for those dash cancel then guard break on air, its really doable but you need really fast 3 finger presses ahaha XD chunli can actually guard break hulk with 4 attacks before landing XD If he never misses on those air dash cancel with low flight maybe its tool assisted ... but i found these kind of plays in arcade booth normally seeing iron man do the same ooof its sus ahaha XD
ive played people on 3rd strike fightcade that felt like bots and when i call em out they just say im old school ive been playing for years but theyre C rank and parry everything, punish everything.
My man actually did beat the bot once and almost a 2nd time...im fucking impressed bro
I mean, it's a statement to Justin's skill that he did as well as he did. That bot would have had me rage quitting in under a minute.
6:27 Me: "Why is that timer there? Am I just now noticing it?"
*27 seconds later*
"💀"
Played against a guy on fightcade. Dude was able to select a secret character in literally less than 2 seconds, and wave dashes like 10 times in 1 second. And mofo swears he’s not using macros or 1 button dashing.
What's a macro?
@@RigbyIsTheMan You can basically program whatever string of inputs you want on one button.
@@txcforever ah so like a shortcut, what would that change for the marvel games? I've only done that for street fighter once
@@RigbyIsTheMan
It makes shit easier and faster
3p and 3k macros are whatever. So is mapping nothing at all(which is extremely powerful once you learn that your opponent is probably watching your physical movements).
Anything beyond that is sus.
He basically launches you in the air and you lose half of your life.
all Marvel has always been that way
Like every MvC ever?
The way it uses Chun-Li’s air stomp is just crazy. Even the first attack it constantly uses it consistently as low as possible so it’s probably considered both overhead and crouch so it’s unblockable.
Here is the thing. If he is that good, show up in live tournaments and prove it.
Otherwise i am sure they are cheating.
innocent until proven guilty, my dude. i don't think he's using macros. why's justin the authority when he doesn't even know how uncombos work?
@@kingdavid7516 The replay shows inputs. This person is a known cheater and the replays are flagged as Tool assisted. Go check the replays yourself.
Don't just trust this video but actually go look at the replay yourself to see the Scripts he was using here. Real players are never this accurate or consistent.
Impossible. The players who play like this online (I'm pretty sure there are more than one) wouldn't be able to pull off 1/0th of this stuff on actual arcade sticks, i.e. the controllers the games were designed for. At the very least, they're keyboard-warriors only. They would never show at an actual live tournament.
@@kingdavid7516 That guy is a known confirmed cheater, the community analized his replays which tell you the inputs.
there's a lot of things you can analize to be able to tell for sure if they are cheating or not, such as reaction time and how robotic and clean their inputs look
They're probably cheating but also they probably don't care. These games are so old, most of them have no offline scene at all.
The fact that you still kept it respectable is great xD
At 4:28 he knew Justin was going to jump just as Justin did, LOL, its blatant
That was the first time in the match where I was like, "that's a bot." He had the combo ready as soon as JWong left the ground.
Omg you are right!
0:53 Rare footage of Justin not blocking low :v
Look at 8:13 buddy BLOCKS THE SUPER THAT DOESN'T NEED TO BE BLOCKED WHILE WALKING FOREWARD.
Good one. It was too ready
@@mechajintsu They are many other sketchy moments of auto-blocking but that was the worst one i saw.
I would of tried blocking it too
3:23 lol uncombo stomp into super :D
idk anyone who can pull off the same button 2x in 2 tics
Bro really was a bot in MVC1, that is absolutely wild.
Bots are everywhere, even on SF6 theres a planty. Some are using bots or AI to reach the top online ranking and its obvious when you have the opportunity to fight them
At 5:03 you can see he does one of those corner escape stomps even though Justin backed off
I tried to tell them about people using lua script OR SOMETHING to cheat! Maybe they will believe it now.
its just one person in mvc. Not the entire community
When you threw out those projectiles, he jumped at the exact same frame to avoid. Seems like a program.
Fightcade should change its name to TAScade if something isn't done with the botters.
That Chun and War Machine Movement. WTH?!
That shit aint human
@@gustavom3713 In this case, it's probably a guy cheating, but all the movement is reproducible. Especially the War Machine stuff. His War Machine combos were meh at best. Just d,b, any kick to fly, then any of the punches you do while flying are cancellable with 3p. I played this game very heavily for a 10 year period on MAME, then GGPO, and I was out of the scene by the time Fightcade game around, but nothing in this video was really impressive.
It's confirmed cheater
@@Weltall600 Yeah i remember you. You werent that great when you were around lol
@@BCannonThaMcTop tier comment 😂
you should invite him offline. let's see he can pull off that sh*t
" If I could be tool assisted. That means I could be everybody right"
Thats how Justin Wong became the main antagonist. He just needed more power
Beat tas
that chun mix up at the start was actually nuts lol
Best way to see if it's an AI bro, set a game up and do nothing. Don't press anything. There were a few found on SF4 back in the day.
Even your comments section is full of bots
IKR? Why isn't YT dealing with these instead of making ads more annoying?
Imagine not using ad blocker?
I’m not a bot but I’m curious what you mean
RUclips in general....
Even your comments section is full of bots
No human could block side transitions that good every time.
To quote war machine “yahoo!”
That first victory was HARD
Justin overcoming the machine was insane!
War machine using Strider like a volleyball in that last match
definitely a bot or script user. war machine confirming a stray lp while flying into the one of the most difficult infinites, chunli with that movement and all stray hits in the air with a down mk then guardbreak into super.
just played in a road to world tour community "official" tournament for DBFZ and I encountered bots like this, I called them and all their shtty discord (that probably is into the fakery as well) got triggered just because I asked "what if I think someone is cheating, what can I do" and they started to call me stuff. it's fkn impossible and is really obvious, but they will never accept it, different discord communities do this for tournaments and they never reach lan because they're actually fkn ]]]]] a s s and they can't use their bs there, the playstyles are just too obviously different
You never closed your parenthesis.
@@damsen978 thanks
Yeahh, those 500 played 500 winned matches with 10hrs played accounts are trash
Bot breathing
First Movement: Chunli Raging Demon
yeah it's a strategy if they come out attacking. it punishes people who mindlessly attack, especially scrubs who use Wolverine and spam his easy combos. his Chun is on another level than his entire team and he has no idea how to stop it. he needs to learn how and stop calling people cheaters.
@@kingdavid7516Cheater detected
@@kingdavid7516lol the guy is a known cheater.
@@bjrnhalfhand2258 any proof? link to evidence? all i see is people saying he is a cheater without evidence. justin doesn't even know what an uncombo is in this game, so i don't trust him as an authority
@@kingdavid7516 If the j.LP infinite isn't enough proof I don't know what to tell you
Love the Chun aerial super but that should have been a lvl 3
i dont think i have ever seen Justin use Strieder's projectiles being afraid to get close Lol
That is not human level at all!
Mr.combo the final bot
The way in which Chun and Wolverine were nerfed for MVC2 is absolutely mind-boggling. Yeah, they certainly needed a few tweaks here and there but Capcom took it way too far with both of them.
Definitely have to make sure it has Anti cheat when it comes out this year the collection
nice TAS bro
The dude took advantage of the uncombo mechanics 😂
We're good...we're good...... we're dead.....that person was a beast my brotha I can't wait til the Marvel vs Capcom collection comes out I'm ready
the collection will stop all the cheating atleast on PS4
No, it won't. Cheaters are rampant on all platforms and more so on Fighting games. Devs don't go after cheating because the community is already very small that they can't afford to lose more people.
@@AleksPizana not so much in fighting games, when it happens its on PC, also its pretty hard to detect unlike in a FPS game where its too obvious
its possible on other platforms but virtually no one even bothers
@@huevonesunltd It's not as rare as you think. Look for channels about the subject and you'll find how ''normal'' this is.
dose anyone know at the start of the round how many frames you have to block that chun li stomp? I know my reflexes wouldnt be fast enough to block that, even if I was excepting it
I had a few people in fightcade actually fight this guy and many of them are legit monsters in mvc1. But as they were looking at mr combo they said he was veru suspicious. Then they find out he is s straight up cheater and called him out. He legit rage quit and never came back on that night
Chun li with speed force is nuts!! 😂😂😂
Yeah Justin, he’s using scripts or something none human.
ON MY CHANNEL I HAVE MANY VIDEOS WHERE I SHOW THEIR TRAPS
The Chun 1 bar demon. Works every time lol
Vídeos like this are a great way tô expose these scrubs while At The same time exposing The ignorance of People in The comment section.
It literally takes me less then a second after Just looking At that guys movement that i know He hás macros/scripts/turbo everything you can think off tô pull pretty much a pseudo TAS level of gameplay online and i am not even taking into account lag which One person in The comments even admitted that He tried tô lag switch The scrub but to no avail (as expected with someone using all The above).
Now some people are dunking on Justin for "not knowing" what MVC1 uncombo is despite The fact He even explained what it is in his channel but since its hás been awhile and with his focus on other games, He most likely forgot that detail. That aside him remembering it Or not wouldnt do a damn thing tô change The outcome of The fight as no matter how tight of a window uncombos of MVC1 are, with scripts anyone with 2 braincells will get the timing on it everytime and theres nothing The opponent can do other than hoping The other player messes it up... Which they will never do with scripts unless they are THAT terrible (not taking into account that someone cheating is into itself The definition of a loser).
Despite all The cheating of that scrub, My man Justin still manages tô win a set and if someone is cheating and they lose, they might as well never touch the game ever again.
Fighting against cheaters is the definion of misery in most instances but when you win against a cheater, its pretty much The equivalent of winning EVO in comparison.
He's probably using a macro for that instant air-dash+stomp
Fightcade detects macros and auto fire outside of the emulator.
it's not that hard. justin doesn't know how uncombos work in MVC1. too many scrubs stick with Strider and Wolverine and when they face off against a really good Chun-Li or Spider-Man player with fancy combos, uncombos and cross-ups they get flabbergasted. he should really apologize for calling this guy a cheater.
@@kingdavid7516Facts 😂
@@kingdavid7516 Uncombo Deez nutz
I dunno 4:28 when Jwong’s wolverine jumps and war machine hits him in the air at the perfect time is pretty suspect
LOL at the Justin speedrun
How did he escaped from the corner 😮 even with ouroboros activated
Yesterday I played Third Strike with a guy who played Ken who used MP->HP->DP combo straight after my char was getting up and I couldn't block it, hit a throw or parry. Usually all of this strategies work, but with him neither worked even once! I don't know how he did it, but it seems that he was perfectly hitting a frame where the character was basically defendless
As someone that used to play MvC1 on fightcade and GGPO, I don't think he was a bot. That said...
1) He's Definitely using that ppp macro to its fullest potential, especially with War Machine.
2) I had no idea that Chun's jumping down mk (x2) is an uncombo/unblockable. That Has to be new tech... which is Amazing.
Edit: apparently he's already confirmed a cheater lol. Still not a bot, but a cheater nonetheless. As they said in other comments, he can't pull up on real sticks and do half this stuff...
But I'm REALLY interested in that Chun uncombo/unblockable.
Justin getting the business from Chun Li
The irony🤣
He always instant stomp you at the beginning of every round without fail is an indication.
Also, that Chun triangle jump to escape your Wolverine blockstring pressure and then countered with combos is mad sus....😂😂😂
Always a treat to see Rugal apply himself to video games.
Let's go JUSTIN!!!
8:31 Oh No !!!
Drpepper here in this transition 4:28 my suspicions for zamacona was that, in his challenge to other top players he does the same thing , not human can have a reaction like that and always, not only that , wolverine has a back dash jump , when war is flying if wolverine does back dash his icon disappear and gets back and in that frame of the back dash with wolverine , wars light kick in air activates hahahahah 😉 😀
Does that pogo kick delayed cancel unblockable work in mvc2 as well?
Now, that is what I like to see!!
3:05 one frame heel stomp LOL.
That’s as bad as the turbo 4LK jumping HK dizzy
4:39
6:28
7:04
Oop here we go again that Chun Lightning
Dat dat dat dat dat dat
Sorry Logan😂
reminds me of Shadow Lady event in Street Fighter 5
Is the double stomp an Unblockable!?
Cuz it's looking like he guard breaks you anywhere on the screen
I can't believe the editor cooked Justin by making the timer and then showing it to our face that Justin lost in 27 seconds
the editor either deserves a raise or get fired
Imagine SFII with everybody! Make it happen, Justin Wong.
4:27 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
>someone is better than me!
Gotta be a bot 😂
He's probably just using 3p but I would look at the inputs on the replay
the game deserve a remake
I bet when this game comes on the PlayStation network or switch whatever then this Mr combo won’t be nothing special
@@kenshiro7960most fightcade mvc player won’t be if they don’t add the emulator extra buttons. Doing supers with emulator 3k and 3p buttons is 200% easier. Plus they allow infs to be consistent
"🤖 Justin Wong, You Are Free 🤖"
Such a good video, maybe start your team with Strider Hiryu to mix it up a little.
Chun-love!! ❤
Skynet was somewhere digitally saying, "Most impressive" after the wins against you, Justin. LoL
I had similar experiences a long time ago in Milpitas's Golfland arcade (in California). It feels hopeless when people knows way too much.
"they're learning.... And they're learning fast"
🤣🤣🤣
That chun li was cooking whit does resets
This doesn't so much feel like a bot rather than the menacing aura of a leverless MVC1 Chun lmao
If I'm wrong, damn, but if I'm right, DAMN 👀
*Bip bu bi bop*
CHEATER RUIN GAMES! I AM GLAD YOU BEAT THE CHEATER FAIRLY! NICELY DONE!
war machine says piece of cake
Trying to figure out how someone can make Chun Li Jump and press down kick so fast before leaving the ground without cheating.
My guess is , super jump into stomp cancelation , thats because doing super jump and you hit the opponent , leaves you in a se mi fying position ,but doing that in the same framevof jump , seems imposible with 3 buttons doing that requires the macro 3k ,
7:45-7:55 That Move is Too OP they need to Nerf it at least make it a LV3 Requirement since the Damage Output is Similar to Akumas Raging Deamon which requires LV 3
Dawg this is mvc1 I don't think there's gonna be a patch soon
iirc the top tiers were WM/GWM, Red/Venom, and then honestly I don't even really remember after that. Chun and Shadow Lady are probably good but not broken.
This game is dirt old. They ain’t doin nothing to it.
Justin Wong in Rise of the Robots
After watching these matches many times, I've been having this impression that Strider's Ouroboros mix-up "attempts" do NOT work anymore against this level of players Justin comes across.
I knew he will be in your video hahahah
PEPPER!! JAJAJAJAJA SE ME OCURRIÓ EL MEME DE ZAMACONA DICIENDO: YA NOS EXPUSISTE!! JAJAJAJA
Let's go! 🎉
JWong be like: "You cheated not only the game, but yourself. You didn't grow. You didn't improve. You took a shortcut and gained nothing. You experienced a hollow victory. Nothing was risked and nothing was gained. It's sad that you don't know the difference."
How do you activate special move at 2:10 ?
I want to challenge you soon on Marvel vs Capcom 1 Fighting collection 😉
my kind of chunli he really has it going for those dash cancel then guard break on air, its really doable but you need really fast 3 finger presses ahaha XD chunli can actually guard break hulk with 4 attacks before landing XD
If he never misses on those air dash cancel with low flight maybe its tool assisted ... but i found these kind of plays in arcade booth normally seeing iron man do the same ooof its sus ahaha XD
Bot got that Chris G defense
Beat Justin Wong in MvC1 Speedrun Any % WR. Gawd Damn
early access gang
ive played people on 3rd strike fightcade that felt like bots and when i call em out they just say im old school ive been playing for years but theyre C rank and parry everything, punish everything.
An IA, the next EVOchampion
Hope you try again when the collection drops
Dude got THE ILLEST macro known to man!!!
Nah, I'm calling bullshxt!
Should've challenged from away.
Im B rank in mvc1 and they got some crazy people playing the game