The analogy of having to clean the kitchen floor with a rake was great! We recently had the opportunity to attend a Mass celebrated by the FSSP while we attended the Catholic Identity Conference in Pitt PA. Until then, we had only been to diocesan TLM’s. We later asked the FSSP priest if he thought the SSPX would be a good (valid) option if our diocesan Mass were to go away (and we could find one near where we live in E Tenn). He said absolutely. The more I look into the SSPX, the more I’m convinced history will show the SSPX are heroes of the Faith.
I lived in northeast TN myself. The nearest Chapels would be St. Anthony of Padua in Mt. Holly, NC or Assumption Chapel in Walton, KY. And there is STAS (St. Thomas Aquinas Seminary).
I pray they'll aid in the restoration of the faith. But it'll be hard for SSPX by themselves to do. The diocesan priesthood will need to eventually make a choice. Either support Tradition and Catholic Orthodoxy or continue to Modernize out of existence and further into heresy. Because there's high need everywhere right now.
Not all FSSP Priests are this encouraging. I have heard some FSSP Priests on the left end of the spectrum say that the SSPX is outside the Church and that your soul is in peril if you go there. On the more right end of the spectrum I have heard FSSP Priests say that you can fulfill your obligation at SSPX but they also say that you must attend a Novus Ordo Mass if there is no TLM available. The main issue is, the FSSP is not united on this issue and you will find many different opinions among the FSSP clergy.
One must take care when speaking to an FSSP. Not all of them will tell you the truth about SSPX. I thank God for my SSPX parish, Our Lady of Sorrows. NO is false. Please do not attend this more and more protestant service.
Last year, when all the churches halted the Mass during the shutdown, I attended the SSPX Masses to fulfill my Sunday obligation. I was, & stil am, attending the TLM at St. Cyril & Methodius, operated by the ICKSP, but even the ICKSP were not allowed to celebrate Mass publicly, during the shutdown. As far as I'm concerned, the SSPX did what the Diocesan priests would not! I felt blessed!
What a rambling mess for the laity. We just want a straight answer. 1: is it sin or not to attend the Tridenteen mass or no? 2: is it and celebration of the Eucharist and the reception of that Eucharist acceptable by Pope Francis as fulfilling our Catholic duty as per Catholic dogma and law. This is as clear as mud. I think the Pope himself needs to give an official ruling on this, rather than creating confusion.
@@johnjoyce1958 well do you really think that the Holy Father will have the time to address this very good question that you ask when he is more preoccupied limited the TLM? For anyone who from my perspective seems to not be addressing more serious matters from the acts of the German bishops blessing homosexual marriages in church, to politicians supporting and condoning abortions and paying for them with tax payer funds, etc. I would hope he would answer you and I put I do not expect him to. From my prayers to God and what I have sought research and input from my TLM priest(s) I would attend a SSPX if I were deprived of the privilege of attending TLM if my local bishop cancelled the one I attend. God bless and I pray that the Holy Spirit and give you further discernment. Love in the name of Jesus.
I cannot speak for those TLM brethren who attend outside the SSPX but I know that the SSPX in Sask, MB and Ont remained open during the suspension of our God given rights and liberties. They took some heat for it too but reacted by having MORE services each Sunday not less. I know this because my neighbour (a now retired, still disgruntled, but otherwise non-violent postal worker) has attended there for years. It's a 40 minute drive but since I responded to Holy Spirit and came home in Jan 2022 now we carpool! Love the SSPX. Velox Versutus Vigilans
I have been celebrating the traditional Latin privately for sometime in my diocese for the last year or so. It has changed me and when I celebrate the New Rite, I do it ad orientem and pray the canon in Latin. We're I younger I would seek admission in a traditional order. I have great respect for the Society of St Pius. Thx for these splendid presentations. I will remember you in my next Mass. -- Fr Robert Gonzalez
God bless you Father! I wish you would transition to FSSPX snd move to San Antonio TX. There is only one chapel here snd mass is only on Sundays, first Saturdays, and first Fridays!
@@ginterka381996 May God richly bless the good and pious people in Poland. May they always be a God fearing, faithful nation. I worked alongside many people from Poland decades ago; some of the nicest people I ever had the privilege to work with. Velox Versutus Vigilans
After being an apostate for 30 years, I came back to church without any knowledge of the Latin Mass. Once I learned of the Novus Ordo schism, quite frankly it made me realize I left that church for the right reasons all along. Now I only attend SSPX mass here in Florida.
Greetings from Portugal ! I had the honor of meeting the Most Reverend Father Michael😇 in 2017 at the Sspx house in Fatima, at the time I was helping with the cleaning of the house and I was also able to meet the Most Reverend Father Dominique Bourmaud😇🙏 and the Most Reverend Father D. Thomas😇.
I ONLY attend the Traditional Latin Mass in an SSPX Church "Our Lady of Victories Church" in New Manila in Quezon City Philippines. It's the only Mass which for me is valid. In fact I travel by Tricycle, by Bus, by Train, by Jeepney and walk just to attend the Traditional Latin Mass in the SSPX Church. I am praying everyday that all Catholics will be able to attend the Traditional Latin Mass, wherever they are.
Many do because they might be in liberal areas or simply have info overload when looking into it. There's a lot to unpack that many are doing for the first time, which can lead them to become rather cautious.
There are people who have been exposed to misinformation or distorted views being relayed and fanned by certain Catholic websites such as Church Militant, which has been running a smear campaign against the FSSPX for years. There are some figures who continue to fling negative press at the FSSPX to see what sticks, no matter how erroneous or debunked. Among those are some in the clergy, or people like Patrick Coffin, and Tim and Dave Gordon. But what overrides and prevails against these objections are the Catholics who stand behind the FSSPX and support the legitimatecy of their rightful cause.
@@luissantiago8446 so true! That’s what kept me away so long. But my eyes were finally opened to the evils of CM. What the spew about the Society are mistruths and half truths. I thank God we ave one FSSPX chapel in San Antonio TX. I just wish we had daily mass. Gratias Deo!
I am so blessed to have TLM in my province, both SSPX and not even it is 2 to 3x a month.... Sspx mass is valid... Once you attend regularly TLM, you find NO very watered down despite being valid... I would attend more TLM as much as it is available and pray that it will be back as the mainstream mass.... Lord, have mercy.... Amen!
Thank you for the clarification. As Catholics we ask the question because we don't want to fall into grave sin because of ignorance. I definitely want to go back to tradition and I would like to do this with a clear conscience.
The Society of Saint Pius X IS in the church. It has been in the Church since its founding and it has never left the Church. The SSPX IS in Communion with the See of Peter, even if the occupant of Peter's Throne refuses to recognize or acknowledge that fact. Oh, and by the way, Archbishop Lefebvre was NEVER excommunicated from the Church. Following the Episcopal Consecrations of 1988, L'Osservatore Romano mistakenly assumed that an automatic excommunication had taken place without even bothering to consider the weighty arguments proposing that it had not. I am certain that, sometime in the future, but more than likely not within my lifetime, an Ecclesiastical Court of appropriate jurisdiction will conclude that no excommunication had taken place, and that Archbishop Lefebvre and Bishop de Castro Mayer did NOT die in a state of excommunication.
There is no readily accessible SSPX where I live, yet I would have no hesitation attending if there were. Fortunately, for now, there is a diocesean Latin Mass Chaplaincy of which our bishop has been a friend and supporter. However, since TC he has ended the TLM in two distant locations where the priest would travel at least once a month to celebrate Mass.
Do they say the Mass of all ages in Latin or do they say the New Mass in Latin..I ask because there are Parishes that only do the N.O Mass in the latin.
My sister went to Sspx chapel outside Orlando today. And she said somewhere on diocese Orlando website stated that the sspx are not in communion with rome Vatican. Why do they make it so confusing for us. My sister did go and said it was beautiful.
I told my priest that I had been inclined to start attending the SSPX Mass and he told me that I would be committing a sin. It seems to always be such a complicated issue. I love the SSPX Mass. I am devastated by watching the Church give communion in the hand and now wearing masks and people dropping Jesus or walking back to their seats with Holy Communion in their hand. That and so much more.
The question "Is it a sin for me to attend a Pius X Mass" was put to Msgr. Perl, the secretary of the Pontifical Ecclesia Dei Commission, in 2002. After saying he didn’t recommend going, Msgr Perl said, "If your primary reason for attending were to manifest your desire to separate yourself from communion with the Roman Pontiff and those in communion with him, it would be a sin. If your intention is simply to participate in a Mass according to the 1962 Missal for the sake of devotion, this would not be a sin." As Fr Goldade mentioned, we don’t want you to separate yourself from communion with the Roman pontiff either…
The Church has had many difficulties over history but we will be ok . We know this because Jesus said he will be with us till the end of time . TRUST in him .
So far,so good,one of the longest podcast in the AngelusPress SSPX podcast series. I'm of the opinion and suggestions that the Team,may answer some of the questions put up here or, carry it over to another podcasts series. Is a veritable tool of evangelization, and propagating the traditional Catholic faith and the knowledge of the position of SSPX in the whole saga, especially during this Traditionis Custodes era, raising dust and confusions on the mind of many traditional Catholics,and the deteriorating situation in the Novus Ordo Masses and the Conciliar church. Please Fr Frank and Andrew,i will like perhaps before the end of this Crisis Series,to have an episode the current situation now.1.The new Synod going on,with reference with the German Synod.2. The covid 19 virus and the vaccine. This virus and the universal mandatory vaccination, hijacked freedom of people, confinement and isolation,side effect of vaccines,genetical and pathological changes and modifications cause by the vaccine,it morality,cases of fetal tissues of aborted babies. What is SSPX stand and traditional Catholic TEACHING and catholic principles and stand on this, because there's a lot of misgivings, suspicious and doubts raised on these issues.
Dear Damian, Thanks for your input. In fact, to the extent possible, we were trying to create in the Crisis series something relatively "timeless", that would be able to be used as a reference, whatever the changing current circumstances in the Church. It was meant to be like a set of reference books that could be accessed at any time and would not get significantly "dated" even if the situation in the world or the Church changed. In Christ, Fr. P. Franks
I grew up going to a lovely, small Chapel almost an hour from home, to attend the Latin Mass that my parents brought us to. I remember being so moved by it even as a child. I’ve found a beautiful morning Mass on EWTN’s RUclips channel (and regular tv channel) that’s filmed in a small church/chapel in Alabama. It is at 8am, Eastern Standard Time in the USA. Most of the Mass is in Latin, but not all, and it is still incredibly beautiful. It brings me right back to my youth. I do have a couple of questions… 1) Is it true that Penance and Matrimony by SSPX priests are invalid because SSPX priests lack conferred faculties? 2) Does attending this online Mass during the week, which offers a spiritual Communion, count as if I physically went to Church? There are no Latin Masses anywhere near me. During lockdown, I attended 7 days a week. Now, I go to Mass at my parish (albeit liberal) on Sundays and Holy Days of Obligation, unless I am unwell. Then, I participate online. Am I meeting any obligations doing that, as well?
The televised Mass does not fulfill Sunday obligation, first. You must be present at the chapel within hearing distance of the bells from Canon through Communion to fulfill your obligation. The SSPX website goes in depth into your other questions - but the short answer is that those sacraments are both valid and licit. Even if you were concerned previously, Pope Francis gave his blessing for SSPX priests to perform these sacraments some time ago.
@@dalton7145 my recollection of that issue is that EWTN had a TLM mass in accordance with the1962 missal the then bishop of Birmingham sent Mother Angelica a letter instructing her priests to face the congregation when celebrating mass. Mother did this as a demonstration of obedience to her ordinary, an as a result could not celebrate a TLM mass. The result of a stroke that mother suffered was that she turned oversight of the network to secular leaders. When Pope Benedict issued his letter sumorum pontificicum. 2007 that overruled the bishops earlier order. Michael Warsaw of EWTN however did not permit the former TLM o start up again. Go figure
Society claims a state of necessity and self-defense in its resistance. The most basic rule of self-defense is that you are contained within the domain necessary to get out of the situation you want to get out of. Books of 62 are considered the "last acceptable", so that's where Archbishop Lefebvre pushed the line. This was the definitive mark for the departure of many sedevacantes (such as father Cekada) who didn't care about the idea of self-defense. As society claims a state of necessity, It's linked to the domain necessary to get rid of the situation it wants to get out of, that is, the books of 62.
For those who are nurses, Doctors, CNA’s EMT, police officers, firemen, Telephone Line men etc who have to be available for the pubic. I remember my mother was a Telephone ☎️ Operator & had to work Sundays & no available Holy Masses & VII provided Saturday Holy Masses for those work on Sundays. Most SSPX only offer one Holy Mass on Sunday. Are they exempt?? Can someone clarify on this. Thank you 🙏🏼 Janet Plonka
I live in a city where the TLM is offered by an order of priests granted authority to do so by our local bishop. Thus, I would have no need to attend an SSPX chapel.
I live in the Denver archdiocese and on their site they have a statement advising Catholics not to attend SSPX masses or partake in communion as “ the SSPX are not in full communion with the pope and not sanctioned by the archbishop of Denver.” Is this binding on Catholics in the Denver area? Or how do you respond to this?
The Vatican itself has said that it is okay to attend SSPX Masses and so that statement of the diocese is not consistent with the statements of Rome. Also, their statement is not consistent with their own behavior, in that the Archbishop regularly grants the SSPX authorization to perform marriages at St. Isidore’s and at Annunciation chapel in Ft. Collins.
I attend NO but I know something is missing. There is an SSPX chapel 2 hours from where I live. I am planning to attend my first SSPX Mass this Sunday. Due to distance I don't think I could attend every week. Would this be acceptable? I live in a remote area of Australia 🇦🇺
A consideration of Vatican II using the concepts of genus and species. Without getting into the historical background, inner workings and doctrinal details of the Vatican II documents and rather relying on what most Catholics know about it the following analogy I think is most revealing: Aristotle says that the natural way of learning and coming to know things is from the generic to the more specific. Just as when we see something moving in the distance we first identify it as a body and then as it moves closer an animal and even closer a man and finally as this particular person Socrates. Now it needs to be understood that there is a difference between our knowledge of a thing and the thing itself. Our knowledge is always more generic than the thing itself existing in reality which is very specific. If someone were to give the definition of the species of a thing instead of giving the definition of the genus of that thing one would give a more precise and fuller account of the thing. In other words the more specific our knowledge becomes of something the closer our knowledge resembles the thing. The truer our knowledge is, in the sense of having more truth - adeguatio res et intellectus. This is the natural way man comes to know. To try to move in the opposite direction is unatural and against human nature. To try to forget what one already KNOWS about something in order to know it more generically is an act of violence against oneself. It would entail force that goes against one's own nature. Now what is more generic and less specific is more universal. Whereas as what is more specific is more exclusive. In the same way when one says the word animal it can apply to many things. Where when one says man it excludes many things and applies to just one type of animal. Now things that exist in reality ARE NOT generic they are specific. The Church founded by Our Lord is a real existing reality. It is something specific with its own essential elements and properties. Now the Councils, pronouncements and doctrines through the ages became more and more specific. The Church's awareness of itself approached more and more the reality of its own being. It is impossible to move in the other direction. In other words it is impossible to move from a specific knowledge to a more general confused knowledge. A generic knowledge of anything is always more confused than a specific one, just as knowing something only in so far as it is an animal is more confused than knowing it specifically: a man. Instead our knowledge specifies as we gain acquantaince and experience of a thing. This should.not be confused with the knowledge particular persons had of the Church. Ofcourse the apostles and early Christians had a very specific knowledge of the Church. However the Church's formulated doctrine was not as specific. Throughout the centuries this doctrine became better formulated and more specific. This was neccesary especially to rule out heresy and error. A more generic knowledge on the other hand is more open to heresy and error. Now, in order for Vatican II to be less divisive, open to non Catholics and ALSO IN ORDER FOR THERE TO BE CONSENSUS AMONGST THE COUNCIL FATHERS, THE COUNCIL HAD TO REVERSE THE NATURAL PROCEDURE AND PROCLAIM SOMETHING MORE GENERIC THAN PREVIOUS COUNCILS. Now one could argue that the council taught no error. Entering into this debate is not easy and not for the most of us. However knowing that the council purposefully decided to be less specific and more generic is known by all of us. Can we say that a generic knowlwdge of a thing is deficient compared to a fuller specific knowlwdge of a thing? Trying to go against oneself and forget what one once knew creates the impression that one must have been wrong once upon a time. Because why else would one try to forget what once knew? Especially if what one once knew one used to think was valuable and true, a treasure to be safeguarded. How many people do we know who have used Vatican II to look back and interpret older Councils? Anything more specific than the Council is frowned upon as superfluous and outdated. But does truth age? Never the less can we blame them for acquiring this habit when this is a natural consequence of artificially regressing and not progressing in knowledge? Of trying to be less specific and more generic. Ask any good attorney or advocate; the truth is in the details. Become less specific and you loose the case. (Unless one is hiding something)
Strange thinking: Fsspx is asking non catholics if they're catholic... should not we first ask where can we find the four marks of the church of Christ!!!
*LOVE is TRUTH* *HOPE is TRUTH* *FAITH is TRUTH* Heavenly Father, our Lord Jesus Christ said *I was there, beginning until end* *LAW + Tradition* = Old Testament *LOVE + Tradition* = New Testament Old Testament + New Testament = *Two become ONE* It's called *HOLY CROSS* 🤗
Could someone here clarify a side question I’ve had? I recall reading that papal bulls “expire” (for lack of a better word) after 500 years. How does this affect our ability to rely - in I guess a legal sort of way- on St. Pius V’s Quo Primum as our modern day defense? Clearly the spirit is as pertinent and necessary today as it was then, but I’m uneasy in trying to explain this to others.
@@SSPX why in Indonesia no SSPX? Since phenomena virus (2020), many Catholic of Indonesia debate about SSPX, pro - kontra 🙄☹️🤦 (about Tradition - Novus Ordo)
Yes. We have Bishops, who normally administer confirmation (and who confect the oils used in confirmation). We also have priests and priests are allowed to confirm in certain circumstances.
Wouldn't it be difficult to reconcile the fact that countless faithful attended the Latin Mass before the New Order existed and then say one cannot attend it now, and then work out how the church triumphant and church militant are one? I'm not RC, just listening to these discussions.
If I chose to go to an SSPX Parish, being married to a non catholic( which I wasn't either until 2017 or 2018) would I not be able to receive the Sacraments? Also with me being Baptized in the Novus Ordo Rite, would my Baptism even be recognized? Thank you in advance for any and all answers. 🙏🙏🙏
Dear Mr. Blair, If you were married by a Catholic priest (or a deacon I guess), there would be no problem in your going to the sacraments. To be clear, I am including diocesan non-Traditionalist priests. Nor would we raise questions about your baptism. You would be welcome to go to an SSPX parish, if you wanted.
According to catholic dogmatic teaching you have to have canonical mission from bishop with ordinary jurisdiction to celebrate sacraments lawfully and licitily
Can a Novus congregant go back and forth between Novus and SSPX? If a Novus bishop will not allow attendance at a society mass and the congregant disobeys what is that person's status?
You can, but why would you want to? I can’t go back to Novus Ordo with the happy-clappy music, men wearing shorts, women wearing tops with spaghetti straps, parishioners talking to each other durning mass, walking out of the church before the priest leaves, eucharistic ministers, Eucharist in the hand…. I was astonished at the piety of the people at the SSPX mass. I pray for the grace of such piety. God Bless you.
If I make communion at my NO, would I be eligible to receive at a FSSP or SSPX. I only attend NO because it's the only RCIA near me but I want to go to traditional latin mass
Depends if you mean to receive two communions at one day or you are speaking generally. Traditionally people can receive only one holy communion per day. That is what we keep at our SSPX chappel. I do not know, if FSSP is following the church on that point. Also you are not obliged to take the holy communion when you attend a mass. It is optional not mandatory.
Btw i have a question here If like i am in a place with only the FSSP/Diocesan TLM, or the sede/resistsnce tlm, and with no sspx... Am i allowed to go to any of them? And secondly, if the answer is yes, do we choose fssp/diocesan, or the sede/resistance... Thanks!
Dear Алтанжаргал Цогцайхан, Are you near an SSPX priest, or in contact with one who knows you? That may be the better route to go, to ask a priest who knows your soul more and so can judge in concrete what is the most prudent course for you in particular. This is what Fr. Robinson said: ruclips.net/video/lgCv5Rohu24/видео.html I would not be comfortable assisting at a Mass where the Pope was not named, myself. In Christ, Fr. P. Franks
@John Gurzo Yes, I was thinking the same. After "traditionis custodes" Bergoglio can be considered as an impostor at least there are serious doubts about him! SSPX must be very careful in order not to be swallowed by the modern Church! Modernists are very clever!!
@John Gurzo The thing is that one does not lose the papacy even if he acts badly. There is no visible higher authority than the pope, so there is no one who would excommunicate him. Since Francis is a pope you have to honor him as a pope even though he does a great harm to the church.
How we long to be associated with SSPX! Unfortunately we don't get support through we contacted SSPX. We want to live as traditional Carmelites associated with SSPX.
I have not understood your message properly. Have you written some letter to the superior general? Have you called to the district superior? The emails could get lost easily.
Funny that Franciscan should make such an absurd statement since historically speaking, many felt the same way about the Franciscans during their inception. Most religious orders were founded by strong, charismatic and compelling personalities, and St.Francis of Assisi, was no exception. Do we accuse the Franciscans of being a " cult of personality?!" Of course not. The order of the Franciscans had many detractors along the way, who objected to their initial position on property and other issues. The Franciscans, like that other once powerful order, the Jesuits, have sadly succumbed to the domineering secular, humanistic forces, subjugating much of the Church and world today.
Archbishop Lefebvre and Bishop de Castro Mayor together consecrated four Bishops. The society is down to three Bishops now and no more have been consecrated for the society. Bishop Williamson has been expelled from the Society and he has subsequently consecrated more Bishops who are not members of the SSPX.
Dear Sissy, The point of this video was not to discuss attendance at the New Mass. There are a few episodes here that address that question: ruclips.net/video/sZpbnoyd1zg/видео.html And further to that: ruclips.net/video/ftzfRi5TZrY/видео.html ruclips.net/video/xl7xlb1vKEo/видео.html ruclips.net/video/rdxMPnr0BOQ/видео.html Basically, the SSPX holds that the New Rite of Mass, since it was invented for ecumenism and to embody a novel theology of the sacrifice and redemption specifically, does represent a danger to the Catholic Faith. For someone who shares the SSPX's critique, then going to a New Mass to participate in it actively would be exposing their Faith to a danger, which we have no right to do, and would be offering God something that deliberately "hides" the propitiatory and sacrificial nature of the Mass: something which is therefore derogatory to the Glory owed to God. So for me, or say a College student at St. Mary's College, who has studied these questions in depth and is convinced that the Mass of Paul VI suffers from doctrinal defects that make it dangerous to assist actively at a New Mass, would in fact be a sin. For others, who don't share our judgement, the same could not be said to apply - as if they committed sins for something they had never considered to be other than the right thing... The "full knowledge" is not there. I know that is a very strong position. That is why we devoted several videos to explaining its basis and ramifications. In Christ, Fr. P. Franks
Ultimately it boils down to a personal issue. While attending may not be a mortal sin, it is most definitely a different rite, containing a different theology eliciting a different approach and application. The TLM, which, though codified as the official Rite of the Catholic Church by St.Pius V in his Quo Primum, and the Council of Trent, contained liturgical traditions that had existed centuries before. The essence of the the TLM remains constant for almost two thousand years. The undeniable factor underlining the TLM is its sacrificial nature. It is ingrained in men to offer gifts as tokens of appreciation, appeasement or supplication. Our Lord committed Himself to be the unspotted, unblemished Sacrifice beyond all others. It is this bloodless Sacrifice rendered at every Mass. It is not merely a memorial banquet which is what is emphasized in the new Mass. This reduction of the true significance of the Mass, and relegating it to a casual memorial service reveals why most Catholics no longer see the importance or need for attendance. It is no longer a big deal, and they fail to see what the big fuss is about. Which is why the New Rite seems interchangeable with a Lutheran service or an Episcopalian one. When one discovers the trove of Catholic treasures in the TLM, the less one is compelled to attend a Novus Ordo rite.
Sorry guys, but the Roman Catholic Church is not a Democracy or a Republic. Pope Francis is the current head of the Church and makes the rules whether you like it or not. Jorge Bergoglio was created a cardinal of the Church by SAINT Pope John Paul II. Did JP make a mistake in appointing him?!? Jorge Bergoglio was elected pope by a majority of the cardinals of the Church who were in turn created by either JP II or Benedict XVI. BTW, the cardinal electors pray to the Holy Spirit for guidance in their selection of the new pope (Veni Sancte Spiritus). Did the Holy Spirit misguide the cardinals?!? If there is a crisis in the Church then the SSPX is creating it.
To reject the spirit & teaching of Vatican II is to be de facto schismatic. SSPX keeps casuistically trying to the thread the needle going right up to but not over the line of disobedience to the Pope. I don’t deny them the right to celebrate the Mass in the 1962 rite - so long as they publicly accept and do not denigrate what they call the “Novus Ordo” Mass.
But they do in fact reject the ordinary rite mass. As far as disobedience to the pope, the episcopal consecrations in 1988 were directly in opposition to the supreme pontiff, St. John Paul II! Not to mention in direct opposition to canon law! I would say the sspx is way over the line.
The analogy of having to clean the kitchen floor with a rake was great!
We recently had the opportunity to attend a Mass celebrated by the FSSP while we attended the Catholic Identity Conference in Pitt PA. Until then, we had only been to diocesan TLM’s.
We later asked the FSSP priest if he thought the SSPX would be a good (valid) option if our diocesan Mass were to go away (and we could find one near where we live in E Tenn). He said absolutely.
The more I look into the SSPX, the more I’m convinced history will show the SSPX are heroes of the Faith.
I lived in northeast TN myself. The nearest Chapels would be St. Anthony of Padua in Mt. Holly, NC or Assumption Chapel in Walton, KY. And there is STAS (St. Thomas Aquinas Seminary).
Couldn't agree with you more.
The SSPX Will save our Catholic Faith while Satan is in overdrive in rocking the Barque as well as the Chair of Peter .
I pray they'll aid in the restoration of the faith. But it'll be hard for SSPX by themselves to do. The diocesan priesthood will need to eventually make a choice. Either support Tradition and Catholic Orthodoxy or continue to Modernize out of existence and further into heresy. Because there's high need everywhere right now.
Not all FSSP Priests are this encouraging. I have heard some FSSP Priests on the left end of the spectrum say that the SSPX is outside the Church and that your soul is in peril if you go there. On the more right end of the spectrum I have heard FSSP Priests say that you can fulfill your obligation at SSPX but they also say that you must attend a Novus Ordo Mass if there is no TLM available.
The main issue is, the FSSP is not united on this issue and you will find many different opinions among the FSSP clergy.
One must take care when speaking to an FSSP. Not all of them will tell you the truth about SSPX. I thank God for my SSPX parish, Our Lady of Sorrows. NO is false. Please do not attend this more and more protestant service.
Last year, when all the churches halted the Mass during the shutdown, I attended the SSPX Masses to fulfill my Sunday obligation. I was, & stil am, attending the TLM at St. Cyril & Methodius, operated by the ICKSP, but even the ICKSP were not allowed to celebrate Mass publicly, during the shutdown. As far as I'm concerned, the SSPX did what the Diocesan priests would not! I felt blessed!
What a rambling mess for the laity. We just want a straight answer. 1: is it sin or not to attend the Tridenteen mass or no? 2: is it and celebration of the Eucharist and the reception of that Eucharist acceptable by Pope Francis as fulfilling our Catholic duty as per Catholic dogma and law. This is as clear as mud. I think the Pope himself needs to give an official ruling on this, rather than creating confusion.
@@johnjoyce1958 well do you really think that the Holy Father will have the time to address this very good question that you ask when he is more preoccupied limited the TLM? For anyone who from my perspective seems to not be addressing more serious matters from the acts of the German bishops blessing homosexual marriages in church, to politicians supporting and condoning abortions and paying for them with tax payer funds, etc. I would hope he would answer you and I put I do not expect him to. From my prayers to God and what I have sought research and input from my TLM priest(s) I would attend a SSPX if I were deprived of the privilege of attending TLM if my local bishop cancelled the one I attend. God bless and I pray that the Holy Spirit and give you further discernment. Love in the name of Jesus.
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SSPX is the truth
I cannot speak for those TLM brethren who attend outside the SSPX but I know that the SSPX in Sask, MB and Ont remained open during the suspension of our God given rights and liberties. They took some heat for it too but reacted by having MORE services each Sunday not less. I know this because my neighbour (a now retired, still disgruntled, but otherwise non-violent postal worker) has attended there for years. It's a 40 minute drive but since I responded to Holy Spirit and came home in Jan 2022 now we carpool! Love the SSPX.
Velox Versutus Vigilans
I have been celebrating the traditional Latin privately for sometime in my diocese for the last year or so. It has changed me and when I celebrate the New Rite, I do it ad orientem and pray the canon in Latin. We're I younger I would seek admission in a traditional order. I have great respect for the Society of St Pius. Thx for these splendid presentations. I will remember you in my next Mass. -- Fr Robert Gonzalez
God bless you dear Father! Have you thought of transition-over to the FSSPX
In Tucson?
God bless you Father! I wish you would transition to FSSPX snd move to San Antonio TX. There is only one chapel here snd mass is only on Sundays, first Saturdays, and first Fridays!
God bless you and keep you Father. Pray for me please.
you attend the novuss ordo you attend the counter chuehc of end times and puts your soul at great risk.......proof?? goto vaticancatholic
Please, don´t stop doing this podcast!!
I know Fr. Goldade. Was at his 1st Mass, served at private Mass and broke bread with him at my house. Another excellent priest from the SSPX.
What a joy to listen to these blessed Fathers of the SSPX. Greetings from Italy
I love the SSPX and feel we are the remnant, keeping True Catholicism alive! God bless Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre! He is a saint!!!
God bless you Father Michael. Greetings from Poland. 🙏😇🇵🇱
I'm 1/2 Pole. My grandmother born in kracow Poland. I want to move there!
@@bedrosnersesyan6975 Hello. I live in Warsaw. Poland is beautiful, clean and safe country. 😊🇵🇱
@@ginterka381996 I want to migrate there but language barrier😪
@@HealedandWinning Yes, our language is difficult, but young people have English (and other languages like German or French) in school.
@@ginterka381996 May God richly bless the good and pious people in Poland. May they always be a God fearing, faithful nation. I worked alongside many people from Poland decades ago; some of the nicest people I ever had the privilege to work with.
Velox Versutus Vigilans
After being an apostate for 30 years, I came back to church without any knowledge of the Latin Mass. Once I learned of the Novus Ordo schism, quite frankly it made me realize I left that church for the right reasons all along. Now I only attend SSPX mass here in Florida.
It's the only one I go to in Sarasota. If they took it away I wouldn't go at all.
We love our Father Goldade! One of the very best.
Greetings from Portugal !
I had the honor of meeting the Most Reverend Father Michael😇 in 2017 at the Sspx house in Fatima, at the time I was helping with the cleaning of the house and I was also able to meet the Most Reverend Father Dominique Bourmaud😇🙏 and the Most Reverend Father D. Thomas😇.
I ONLY attend the Traditional Latin Mass in an SSPX Church "Our Lady of Victories Church" in New Manila in Quezon City Philippines. It's the only Mass which for me is valid. In fact I travel by Tricycle, by Bus, by Train, by Jeepney and walk just to attend the Traditional Latin Mass in the SSPX Church. I am praying everyday that all Catholics will be able to attend the Traditional Latin Mass, wherever they are.
With Frank Bergoglio around that's certainly not going to be a likely possibility!
Thank you. Yes the traditionnel mass, is so importante to me.thank you very much. I am newly batisted.
I honestly can’t believe people still ask if it’s right to attend a Society Mass.
Many do because they might be in liberal areas or simply have info overload when looking into it. There's a lot to unpack that many are doing for the first time, which can lead them to become rather cautious.
There are people who have been exposed to misinformation or distorted views being relayed and fanned by certain Catholic websites such as Church Militant, which has been running a smear campaign against the FSSPX for years. There are some figures who continue to fling negative press at the FSSPX to see what sticks, no matter how erroneous or debunked. Among those are some in the clergy, or people like Patrick Coffin, and Tim and Dave Gordon. But what overrides and prevails against these objections are the Catholics who stand behind the FSSPX and support the legitimatecy of their rightful cause.
We've been lied to
@@luissantiago8446 I was shocked to hear Michael Voris criticize the SSPX. What do they know?
@@luissantiago8446 so true! That’s what kept me away so long. But my eyes were finally opened to the evils of CM. What the spew about the Society are mistruths and half truths. I thank God we ave one FSSPX chapel in San Antonio TX. I just wish we had daily mass.
Gratias Deo!
I am so blessed to have TLM in my province, both SSPX and not even it is 2 to 3x a month.... Sspx mass is valid... Once you attend regularly TLM, you find NO very watered down despite being valid... I would attend more TLM as much as it is available and pray that it will be back as the mainstream mass.... Lord, have mercy.... Amen!
I love SSPX 🙏✝️is the real Catholic mass ! God Bless Monsignor Leffrebre 😇long time ago he know what’s is goin on in the church ✝️
Thank you for the clarification. As Catholics we ask the question because we don't want to fall into grave sin because of ignorance. I definitely want to go back to tradition and I would like to do this with a clear conscience.
The Society of Saint Pius X IS in the church. It has been in the Church since its founding and it has never left the Church. The SSPX IS in Communion with the See of Peter, even if the occupant of Peter's Throne refuses to recognize or acknowledge that fact.
Oh, and by the way, Archbishop Lefebvre was NEVER excommunicated from the Church. Following the Episcopal Consecrations of 1988, L'Osservatore Romano mistakenly assumed that an automatic excommunication had taken place without even bothering to consider the weighty arguments proposing that it had not. I am certain that, sometime in the future, but more than likely not within my lifetime, an Ecclesiastical Court of appropriate jurisdiction will conclude that no excommunication had taken place, and that Archbishop Lefebvre and Bishop de Castro Mayer did NOT die in a state of excommunication.
great video. been tempted to go sspx mass but was worried
There is no readily accessible SSPX where I live, yet I would have no hesitation attending if there were. Fortunately, for now, there is a diocesean Latin Mass Chaplaincy of which our bishop has been a friend and supporter. However, since TC he has ended the TLM in two distant locations where the priest would travel at least once a month to celebrate Mass.
Where do you live Alan?
Do they say the Mass of all ages in Latin or do they say the New Mass in Latin..I ask because there are Parishes that only do the N.O Mass in the latin.
My sister went to Sspx chapel outside Orlando today. And she said somewhere on diocese Orlando website stated that the sspx are not in communion with rome Vatican. Why do they make it so confusing for us. My sister did go and said it was beautiful.
Isn't this the same diocese that stood by and did nothing while the state and her evil husband murdered Terry Schiavo by starvation?
I told my priest that I had been inclined to start attending the SSPX Mass and he told me that I would be committing a sin. It seems to always be such a complicated issue. I love the SSPX Mass. I am devastated by watching the Church give communion in the hand and now wearing masks and people dropping Jesus or walking back to their seats with Holy Communion in their hand. That and so much more.
The question "Is it a sin for me to attend a Pius X Mass" was put to Msgr. Perl, the secretary of the Pontifical Ecclesia Dei Commission, in 2002.
After saying he didn’t recommend going, Msgr Perl said, "If your primary reason for attending were to manifest your desire to separate yourself from communion with the Roman Pontiff and those in communion with him, it would be a sin. If your intention is simply to participate in a Mass according to the 1962 Missal for the sake of devotion, this would not be a sin."
As Fr Goldade mentioned, we don’t want you to separate yourself from communion with the Roman pontiff either…
@@SSPX Thank you, This makes perfect sense.
The Church has had many difficulties over history but we will be ok . We know this because Jesus said he will be with us till the end of time . TRUST in him .
DEO GRATIAS AVE AVE AVE MARIA 😇😇😇🙏🙏🙏GOD BLESS SAINT PIUS X
AMEN
Requesting episode on sacrament of confirmation, problems with new form and conditional confirmation.
So far,so good,one of the longest podcast in the AngelusPress SSPX podcast series. I'm of the opinion and suggestions that the Team,may answer some of the questions put up here or, carry it over to another podcasts series. Is a veritable tool of evangelization, and propagating the traditional Catholic faith and the knowledge of the position of SSPX in the whole saga, especially during this Traditionis Custodes era, raising dust and confusions on the mind of many traditional Catholics,and the deteriorating situation in the Novus Ordo Masses and the Conciliar church. Please Fr Frank and Andrew,i will like perhaps before the end of this Crisis Series,to have an episode the current situation now.1.The new Synod going on,with reference with the German Synod.2. The covid 19 virus and the vaccine. This virus and the universal mandatory vaccination, hijacked freedom of people, confinement and isolation,side effect of vaccines,genetical and pathological changes and modifications cause by the vaccine,it morality,cases of fetal tissues of aborted babies. What is SSPX stand and traditional Catholic TEACHING and catholic principles and stand on this, because there's a lot of misgivings, suspicious and doubts raised on these issues.
Dear Damian,
Thanks for your input. In fact, to the extent possible, we were trying to create in the Crisis series something relatively "timeless", that would be able to be used as a reference, whatever the changing current circumstances in the Church. It was meant to be like a set of reference books that could be accessed at any time and would not get significantly "dated" even if the situation in the world or the Church changed.
In Christ,
Fr. P. Franks
@@SSPX The series is excellent! I have recommended it to many. Thank you for all you do!
One can go to worship in Mass on Sunday, and STILL keep the Sabbath Holy through five Saturdays devotion to Our Lady, which is what SHE wants!
I have come to believe the SSPX is the remnant of the catholic.
I grew up going to a lovely, small Chapel almost an hour from home, to attend the Latin Mass that my parents brought us to. I remember being so moved by it even as a child. I’ve found a beautiful morning Mass on EWTN’s RUclips channel (and regular tv channel) that’s filmed in a small church/chapel in Alabama. It is at 8am, Eastern Standard Time in the USA. Most of the Mass is in Latin, but not all, and it is still incredibly beautiful. It brings me right back to my youth.
I do have a couple of questions…
1) Is it true that Penance and Matrimony by SSPX priests are invalid because SSPX priests lack conferred faculties?
2) Does attending this online Mass during the week, which offers a spiritual Communion, count as if I physically went to Church? There are no Latin Masses anywhere near me. During lockdown, I attended 7 days a week. Now, I go to Mass at my parish (albeit liberal) on Sundays and Holy Days of Obligation, unless I am unwell. Then, I participate online. Am I meeting any obligations doing that, as well?
The televised Mass does not fulfill Sunday obligation, first. You must be present at the chapel within hearing distance of the bells from Canon through Communion to fulfill your obligation. The SSPX website goes in depth into your other questions - but the short answer is that those sacraments are both valid and licit. Even if you were concerned previously, Pope Francis gave his blessing for SSPX priests to perform these sacraments some time ago.
@@cassandrabogue5290 so then what happens to all those people who are disabled and homebound?
My understanding is the Mass EWTN says using the Latin I believe is the Novus Ordo Mass, not the Mass of all Ages. Am I wrong?
@@dalton7145 my recollection of that issue is that EWTN had a TLM mass in accordance with the1962 missal the then bishop of Birmingham sent Mother Angelica a letter instructing her priests to face the congregation when celebrating mass. Mother did this as a demonstration of obedience to her ordinary, an as a result could not celebrate a TLM mass. The result of a stroke that mother suffered was that she turned oversight of the network to secular leaders. When Pope Benedict issued his letter sumorum pontificicum. 2007 that overruled the bishops earlier order. Michael Warsaw of EWTN however did not permit the former TLM o start up again. Go figure
Cardinal Burke has been less than helpful on this question.
Church Militant seemed to do a hit piece on your organization; is there a way for you to respond to that?
I wonder why SSPX appears to be stuck on the 62
Why not go to the pre55 liturgy?
Society claims a state of necessity and self-defense in its resistance. The most basic rule of self-defense is that you are contained within the domain necessary to get out of the situation you want to get out of. Books of 62 are considered the "last acceptable", so that's where Archbishop Lefebvre pushed the line. This was the definitive mark for the departure of many sedevacantes (such as father Cekada) who didn't care about the idea of self-defense. As society claims a state of necessity, It's linked to the domain necessary to get rid of the situation it wants to get out of, that is, the books of 62.
@@matheusnathan8507 thanks for explaining that. I figured it was something like that
Hello! I was wondering if you could help me find the sources for the quotations from Archbishop Schneider and Cardinal Ladaria. Thank you.
For those who are nurses, Doctors, CNA’s EMT, police officers, firemen, Telephone Line men etc who have to be available for the pubic. I remember my mother was a Telephone ☎️ Operator & had to work Sundays & no available Holy Masses & VII provided Saturday Holy Masses for those work on Sundays. Most SSPX only offer one Holy Mass on Sunday. Are they exempt?? Can someone clarify on this. Thank you 🙏🏼 Janet Plonka
5 Minute catholic apologetics YT channel is supportive of SSPX
My understanding is that it is acceptable but that it does not fulfill the obligation to attend mass on Sundays or holy days of obligation
I live in a city where the TLM is offered by an order of priests granted authority to do so by our local bishop. Thus, I would have no need to attend an SSPX chapel.
I live in the Denver archdiocese and on their site they have a statement advising Catholics not to attend SSPX masses or partake in communion as “ the SSPX are not in full communion with the pope and not sanctioned by the archbishop of Denver.” Is this binding on Catholics in the Denver area? Or how do you respond to this?
The Vatican itself has said that it is okay to attend SSPX Masses and so that statement of the diocese is not consistent with the statements of Rome. Also, their statement is not consistent with their own behavior, in that the Archbishop regularly grants the SSPX authorization to perform marriages at St. Isidore’s and at Annunciation chapel in Ft. Collins.
Speak English keep everything like it is, and we’re all in! 🙏✝️🙏
I attend NO but I know something is missing. There is an SSPX chapel 2 hours from where I live. I am planning to attend my first SSPX Mass this Sunday. Due to distance I don't think I could attend every week. Would this be acceptable? I live in a remote area of Australia 🇦🇺
A consideration of Vatican II using the concepts of genus and species.
Without getting into the historical background, inner workings and doctrinal details of the Vatican II documents and rather relying on what most Catholics know about it the following analogy I think is most revealing:
Aristotle says that the natural way of learning and coming to know things is from the generic to the more specific. Just as when we see something moving in the distance we first identify it as a body and then as it moves closer an animal and even closer a man and finally as this particular person Socrates.
Now it needs to be understood that there is a difference between our knowledge of a thing and the thing itself. Our knowledge is always more generic than the thing itself existing in reality which is very specific. If someone were to give the definition of the species of a thing instead of giving the definition of the genus of that thing one would give a more precise and fuller account of the thing. In other words the more specific our knowledge becomes of something the closer our knowledge resembles the thing. The truer our knowledge is, in the sense of having more truth - adeguatio res et intellectus.
This is the natural way man comes to know. To try to move in the opposite direction is unatural and against human nature. To try to forget what one already KNOWS about something in order to know it more generically is an act of violence against oneself. It would entail force that goes against one's own nature.
Now what is more generic and less specific is more universal. Whereas as what is more specific is more exclusive. In the same way when one says the word animal it can apply to many things. Where when one says man it excludes many things and applies to just one type of animal. Now things that exist in reality ARE NOT generic they are specific.
The Church founded by Our Lord is a real existing reality. It is something specific with its own essential elements and properties.
Now the Councils, pronouncements and doctrines through the ages became more and more specific. The Church's awareness of itself approached more and more the reality of its own being. It is impossible to move in the other direction. In other words it is impossible to move from a specific knowledge to a more general confused knowledge. A generic knowledge of anything is always more confused than a specific one, just as knowing something only in so far as it is an animal is more confused than knowing it specifically: a man. Instead our knowledge specifies as we gain acquantaince and experience of a thing. This should.not be confused with the knowledge particular persons had of the Church. Ofcourse the apostles and early Christians had a very specific knowledge of the Church. However the Church's formulated doctrine was not as specific. Throughout the centuries this doctrine became better formulated and more specific. This was neccesary especially to rule out heresy and error. A more generic knowledge on the other hand is more open to heresy and error.
Now, in order for Vatican II to be less divisive, open to non Catholics and ALSO IN ORDER FOR THERE TO BE CONSENSUS AMONGST THE COUNCIL FATHERS, THE COUNCIL HAD TO REVERSE THE NATURAL PROCEDURE AND PROCLAIM SOMETHING MORE GENERIC THAN PREVIOUS COUNCILS.
Now one could argue that the council taught no error. Entering into this debate is not easy and not for the most of us. However knowing that the council purposefully decided to be less specific and more generic is known by all of us. Can we say that a generic knowlwdge of a thing is deficient compared to a fuller specific knowlwdge of a thing? Trying to go against oneself and forget what one once knew creates the impression that one must have been wrong once upon a time. Because why else would one try to forget what once knew? Especially if what one once knew one used to think was valuable and true, a treasure to be safeguarded.
How many people do we know who have used Vatican II to look back and interpret older Councils? Anything more specific than the Council is frowned upon as superfluous and outdated. But does truth age? Never the less can we blame them for acquiring this habit when this is a natural consequence of artificially regressing and not progressing in knowledge? Of trying to be less specific and more generic. Ask any good attorney or advocate; the truth is in the details. Become less specific and you loose the case. (Unless one is hiding something)
Can you address the issue of “are SSPX marriages valid”? Thanks!!!
Strange thinking: Fsspx is asking non catholics if they're catholic... should not we first ask where can we find the four marks of the church of Christ!!!
*LOVE is TRUTH*
*HOPE is TRUTH*
*FAITH is TRUTH*
Heavenly Father, our Lord Jesus Christ said *I was there, beginning until end*
*LAW + Tradition* = Old Testament
*LOVE + Tradition* = New Testament
Old Testament + New Testament = *Two become ONE*
It's called *HOLY CROSS*
🤗
Could someone here clarify a side question I’ve had? I recall reading that papal bulls “expire” (for lack of a better word) after 500 years. How does this affect our ability to rely - in I guess a legal sort of way- on St. Pius V’s Quo Primum as our modern day defense? Clearly the spirit is as pertinent and necessary today as it was then, but I’m uneasy in trying to explain this to others.
It doesn't expire you are making this up or are confused.
Thank you. How can I find locations close to me?
sspx.org/en/mass-locator presuming you are in the USA
@@SSPX Thx.
@@SSPX thank you. Yes I am.
@@SSPX why in Indonesia no SSPX? Since phenomena virus (2020), many Catholic of Indonesia debate about SSPX, pro - kontra 🙄☹️🤦 (about Tradition - Novus Ordo)
@@SSPX How can I report mistakes in the Mass locator? The contact form on the website seems broken - no one is replying
Forgive my ignorance, non-Catholic here. Can the SSPX conduct confirmations?
Yes. We have Bishops, who normally administer confirmation (and who confect the oils used in confirmation). We also have priests and priests are allowed to confirm in certain circumstances.
@@SSPX Do you have some one in WA State (Bothell area) that I can talk to?
Wouldn't it be difficult to reconcile the fact that countless faithful attended the Latin Mass before the New Order existed and then say one cannot attend it now, and then work out how the church triumphant and church militant are one? I'm not RC, just listening to these discussions.
Pope Francis grew up in a home where Italian was spoken. So no excuses for the language, none
If I chose to go to an SSPX Parish, being married to a non catholic( which I wasn't either until 2017 or 2018) would I not be able to receive the Sacraments? Also with me being Baptized in the Novus Ordo Rite, would my Baptism even be recognized? Thank you in advance for any and all answers. 🙏🙏🙏
Dear Mr. Blair,
If you were married by a Catholic priest (or a deacon I guess), there would be no problem in your going to the sacraments. To be clear, I am including diocesan non-Traditionalist priests.
Nor would we raise questions about your baptism.
You would be welcome to go to an SSPX parish, if you wanted.
@@SSPX oh no I was married 30 years ago but I didn't become Catholic until 2017 or 2018.
A valid marriage of non-Catholics remains valid even if one party converts. Be assured of our prayers!
@@SSPX thank you.
Is the Novis Ordo Mass a true Mass ?
Please answer yes or no .
@@tonydonnolo4257 I doubt that you will get an answer to that one in writing from anyone who belongs to the sspx.
According to catholic dogmatic teaching you have to have canonical mission from bishop with ordinary jurisdiction to celebrate sacraments lawfully and licitily
Can a Novus congregant go back and forth between Novus and SSPX? If a Novus bishop will not allow attendance at a society mass and the congregant disobeys what is that person's status?
Faithful.
You can, but why would you want to? I can’t go back to Novus Ordo with the happy-clappy music, men wearing shorts, women wearing tops with spaghetti straps, parishioners talking to each other durning mass, walking out of the church before the priest leaves, eucharistic ministers, Eucharist in the hand…. I was astonished at the piety of the people at the SSPX mass. I pray for the grace of such piety. God Bless you.
Where can I find the full video of Father Carlisle offering Mass in the intro?
It’s part of another video that will be released soon!
Follow the Bishop and what he says to do.
If I make communion at my NO, would I be eligible to receive at a FSSP or SSPX.
I only attend NO because it's the only RCIA near me but I want to go to traditional latin mass
Depends if you mean to receive two communions at one day or you are speaking generally. Traditionally people can receive only one holy communion per day. That is what we keep at our SSPX chappel. I do not know, if FSSP is following the church on that point.
Also you are not obliged to take the holy communion when you attend a mass. It is optional not mandatory.
So to answer your question: when you are well disposed(e. g. not in state of a mortal sin) than you can receive the Holy communion.
Btw i have a question here
If like i am in a place with only the FSSP/Diocesan TLM, or the sede/resistsnce tlm, and with no sspx...
Am i allowed to go to any of them?
And secondly, if the answer is yes, do we choose fssp/diocesan, or the sede/resistance...
Thanks!
I personally would say yes FSSP no Sede-.
Dear Алтанжаргал Цогцайхан,
Are you near an SSPX priest, or in contact with one who knows you? That may be the better route to go, to ask a priest who knows your soul more and so can judge in concrete what is the most prudent course for you in particular.
This is what Fr. Robinson said:
ruclips.net/video/lgCv5Rohu24/видео.html
I would not be comfortable assisting at a Mass where the Pope was not named, myself.
In Christ,
Fr. P. Franks
@@SSPX Alright, thank you Father for replying!😇😇
God bless you Father!😊
@John Gurzo Yes, I was thinking the same. After "traditionis custodes" Bergoglio can be considered as an impostor at least there are serious doubts about him! SSPX must be very careful in order not to be swallowed by the modern Church! Modernists are very clever!!
@John Gurzo The thing is that one does not lose the papacy even if he acts badly. There is no visible higher authority than the pope, so there is no one who would excommunicate him. Since Francis is a pope you have to honor him as a pope even though he does a great harm to the church.
Our local novus ordo priest commanded i stop placing sspx adds in the community paper
Pope Pius XII allowed the Evening Mass in cases of necessity
How we long to be associated with SSPX! Unfortunately we don't get support through we contacted SSPX. We want to live as traditional Carmelites associated with SSPX.
I have not understood your message properly. Have you written some letter to the superior general? Have you called to the district superior? The emails could get lost easily.
I was told by a Franciscan that the sspx is a cult.
Seriously. But the novus ordo around me are all obscene.
That is an opinion. You did not hear him say it is a sin to attend.
Funny that Franciscan should make such an absurd statement since historically speaking, many felt the same way about the Franciscans during their inception. Most religious orders were founded by strong, charismatic and compelling personalities, and St.Francis of Assisi, was no exception. Do we accuse the Franciscans of being a " cult of personality?!" Of course not. The order of the Franciscans had many detractors along the way, who objected to their initial position on property and other issues. The Franciscans, like that other once powerful order, the Jesuits, have sadly succumbed to the domineering secular, humanistic forces, subjugating much of the Church and world today.
Heather There are no Catholic Religious Orders that meet the criteria for being a cult.
I just wish you guys weren't 2.5 hours away.
is it because of the jewish law that the next day starts at sundown the previous day
Remember when it was an oxymoron to ask on a Sunday or Holy Day; Is the church having Mass this morning?
Do the SSPX appoint their own bishops/ordain??
Archbishop Lefebvre and Bishop de Castro Mayor together consecrated four Bishops.
The society is down to three Bishops now and no more have been consecrated for the society. Bishop Williamson has been expelled from the Society and he has subsequently consecrated more Bishops who are not members of the SSPX.
Pretty sure Vigil Masses came about because of football season...Sad.
I attend sspx ffsp Novus Ordo
Question: are the priests of the so called sspx-mc connected to the sspx?
No.
Are they sedevacantist?
Please, a distinction should be made here, for those who may be confused.
SSPX-MC are priests who left the SSPX because they thought it had accepted Vatican II and the New Mass. They are not Sedevacantist.
But what about the 2012 Declaration?
the interviewer looks like Catholic mike winger
The imperfect communion is the impossible thing. It could be full or none.
The FSSPX in the full Communion, the "Orthodox" Church is not in any!
My dear, to ask these sick puppies if something is OK, is just pathetic!
The seventh day is the Sabbath
Literally written in stone, by God's hand.
False! The highest law is "the glory of God". "The salvation of souls" is subservant to that highest law!
What kind of answer do you expect to hear from a SSPX priest if you can attend a SSPX mass ? For the record I’ve attended
They were just addressing the concerns that some people may have. So if someone does have reservations they can just watch the video.
What do you have to say about SSPX pressuring its priests to get vaccinated?
Dear crok,
That is simply not true.
In Christ,
Fr. Franks
@@SSPX Untrue, I heard it from my priest.
Are you saying it is a sin to attend a NO? Not convinced.
Dear Sissy,
The point of this video was not to discuss attendance at the New Mass.
There are a few episodes here that address that question: ruclips.net/video/sZpbnoyd1zg/видео.html
And further to that:
ruclips.net/video/ftzfRi5TZrY/видео.html
ruclips.net/video/xl7xlb1vKEo/видео.html
ruclips.net/video/rdxMPnr0BOQ/видео.html
Basically, the SSPX holds that the New Rite of Mass, since it was invented for ecumenism and to embody a novel theology of the sacrifice and redemption specifically, does represent a danger to the Catholic Faith. For someone who shares the SSPX's critique, then going to a New Mass to participate in it actively would be exposing their Faith to a danger, which we have no right to do, and would be offering God something that deliberately "hides" the propitiatory and sacrificial nature of the Mass: something which is therefore derogatory to the Glory owed to God.
So for me, or say a College student at St. Mary's College, who has studied these questions in depth and is convinced that the Mass of Paul VI suffers from doctrinal defects that make it dangerous to assist actively at a New Mass, would in fact be a sin.
For others, who don't share our judgement, the same could not be said to apply - as if they committed sins for something they had never considered to be other than the right thing... The "full knowledge" is not there.
I know that is a very strong position. That is why we devoted several videos to explaining its basis and ramifications.
In Christ,
Fr. P. Franks
Ultimately it boils down to a personal issue. While attending may not be a mortal sin, it is most definitely a different rite, containing a different theology eliciting a different approach and application. The TLM, which, though codified as the official Rite of the Catholic Church by St.Pius V in his Quo Primum, and the Council of Trent, contained liturgical traditions that had existed centuries before. The essence of the the TLM remains constant for almost two thousand years. The undeniable factor underlining the TLM is its sacrificial nature. It is ingrained in men to offer gifts as tokens of appreciation, appeasement or supplication. Our Lord committed Himself to be the unspotted, unblemished Sacrifice beyond all others. It is this bloodless Sacrifice rendered at every Mass. It is not merely a memorial banquet which is what is emphasized in the new Mass. This reduction of the true significance of the Mass, and relegating it to a casual memorial service reveals why most Catholics no longer see the importance or need for attendance. It is no longer a big deal, and they fail to see what the big fuss is about. Which is why the New Rite seems interchangeable with a Lutheran service or an Episcopalian one. When one discovers the trove of Catholic treasures in the TLM, the less one is compelled to attend a Novus Ordo rite.
Question, how come there is many even Byzantine that consider the SSPX Looney ? I have to wonder if they are part of the modernists in our church.
Yes, but not habitually and not because of doctrinal differences from the church- that would be schismatic.
Sorry guys, but the Roman Catholic Church is not a Democracy or a Republic. Pope Francis is the current head of the Church and makes the rules whether you like it or not. Jorge Bergoglio was created a cardinal of the Church by SAINT Pope John Paul II. Did JP make a mistake in appointing him?!? Jorge Bergoglio was elected pope by a majority of the cardinals of the Church who were in turn created by either JP II or Benedict XVI. BTW, the cardinal electors pray to the Holy Spirit for guidance in their selection of the new pope (Veni Sancte Spiritus). Did the Holy Spirit misguide the cardinals?!? If there is a crisis in the Church then the SSPX is creating it.
Clearly you don’t know about the St Gallen Mafia
Go and study papal history, and papal conclaves. You have no idea the amount of corruption and politicking that took place over two millennia.
To reject the spirit & teaching of Vatican II is to be de facto schismatic. SSPX keeps casuistically trying to the thread the needle going right up to but not over the line of disobedience to the Pope. I don’t deny them the right to celebrate the Mass in the 1962 rite - so long as they publicly accept and do not denigrate what they call the “Novus Ordo” Mass.
But they do in fact reject the ordinary rite mass. As far as disobedience to the pope, the episcopal consecrations in 1988 were directly in opposition to the supreme pontiff, St. John Paul II! Not to mention in direct opposition to canon law! I would say the sspx is way over the line.