they both were he was put on anchor role with team decision not just shaz puting ur best player on a 50/50 role instead oif chamber when he was busted is quite literally the dumbest thing for example if yay was on jett he wouldnt be anywhere near the player that he is today just bc its a good role for good aimers
The fact that he even phrased it the way he did without even a 2nd thought of how it would sound is really weird on Shazams part, regardless of who wronged who you don't just throw you friend under the bus especially when there's a whole highlight reel of him saving the teams ass in clutch situations
You realize that shahz and shroud are close friends and regularly support each other and communicate with each other. Your dim-witted opinions and inability to have a critical thought doesn't change that. The only people that construed Shahz's tweet as an attack on shroud are people that hate him and people that are not smart-these groups often overlap. Shahz literally called shroud and they laughed about it. You literally do not house a single valuable thought in that cavernous skull.
Dude just loves being the centre of drama. Like even if he got screwed by the org there are better ways to say these things without coming off as a massive loser.
Shaz tearing the old sen family apart fr, Like Shaz and Zombs got a divorce, Sick who was the eldest brother got the puppy (Tenz) and Shaz and his brother Dapr decided to move out
They're not family lil bro, they are pros and it called competitive. even if they have to let everyone downs just for getting a spot, they gonna do it. Your comment just like common SEN / Tenz fanboys. They way shahz's called out shroud is unnecessary, but the org has their own mistakes, idk why but sentinel likes to bashed their ex players somehow. You have to grow up and see the other perspective, that wheel content was so disrespectful for Former Sentinel Roster (especially players who playing with Tenz), but they has their own take about it, maybe shahz just holding it for too long. You should be a kiddo if you thought that pro scene is a flower garden with a family friendly sht type of realitionship
I mean a massive red-flag is when they "couldn't" find a coach for what? 2 years or something like that? That is a big indication of an ego, especially when the later half of the year they were getting rolled by everyone. Shahz was also talking about how they couldn't find a "good" coach. I wonder who pushed that idea. Was it a group decision or was it one or two people imposing their view.
Most probably Shahz declined a lot of coaches because then those coaches would lead the team instead and create a good work/practice ethics. Then shitzham won't be able to stream when there is a match in 5 hours. So he somehow got this rawkass instead who is his friend so something like that woud'nt happen.
Shahz kept playing jett in ranked for hours everyday. He didn't even play jett in pro. He then cried about people telling him about it but "we don't understand". Every or almost every sucessful pro plays their agents even in solo q in most games.
@@emsa7esm203 bro what 💀 there are so many pro players that couldn’t care less about ranked and they still scrim and go into custom matches to play their role so having fun in ranked won’t change anything. but i get what u mean because shaz can’t play anything other than jett in ranked
@@okMasq Yeah pros dont care about ranked, what I mean is they play their agents in ranked not because ranked matters, but to keep themselves in top form with their respective agents. They don't do that all the time, but they do it a good amount. All Shahz did was play jett.
Then tells everyone "it has nothing to do with Shroud", he literally mentioned him. Shroud can adapt yes but mentioning him on statement like you're pushed to play when all along you've been praising that person when you were teammates and then after roster shuffle you suddenly hate your former team. Honestly, do you wanna be with G2 or Sen?
I honestly don’t think Shahz was saying it with bad intentions towards shroud but the way he said it, no matter what he meant it just comes out wrong like zombs was saying
Shaz is always starting bullshit for no reason, even back in his cs days (look at iBuyPower). He’s an L friend and an L player who only cares about himself. He brings others down and makes them look bad to make himself look better.
The point of typing it like that is because he was still upset about Senteniels screwing with him with the contract situation. The org did him dirty snd thats what he was expressing i think people are interpreting the wrong way as i dont see it calling Shroud bad but calling out Sen on empty promises
even if the org did do him dirty its wrong and no reason to cause drama at all why make it public at all it was one small meme on twitter and shahz has to throw a ex teammate shroud under the bus it starting to get suspicious the amount of drama shahz has been on and always end a victim this time its finallly got him because it was childish
I think Sentinels prefers franchises over LCQ, with them including shroud into the team, they will automatically get more viewers and finally Riot includes them in the franchise. and it works! thx google translate
they were already set for franchising even before shroud and lcq. u literally can't mention valorant without mentioning sentinels. that org however bad thier competitive team is is the face of the game
People are taking a random dumb tweet a bit too seriously, it's really obvious that he wasn't serious. I don't like the guy that much but people are really trying so hard to create reasons to dislike him even more.
i think shahz actually didnt mean anything bad about that they played with shroud, but just that they made them play with shroud even though they were better players and that they promised him a place in sen if they played with shroud
Shroud didn’t pull the team down at all it was just poor stratting and the fact that they met 100T so early, who were clearly just the best team in that LCQ.
I mean Tbh Shahzam tweet was directed towards the lie which was told by the Org. No where did Shahz say that Shroud played bad. Read the tweet again then come back. He literally said the Org promised him a spot if they play with shroud. That does not means he didn't want to play with shroud.
@@basiliskdoor Yeah but no where does it state that he didn't want to play with shroud. He literally said Org promised him a spot. You guys are literally bad mouthing him for something he didn't even do. "You must play with shroud" does not mean he didn't want to or he didn't appreciate him on the team. He is talking about how org handled the situation. Man stop making a fuzz about such trivial things. My goodness the new gen is just too soft
@@essschesss6471 but people don't accuse someone without having any proof or any promise. Dude look at it this way, you don't know how the owner is of Sentinels. Look at Daprs situation, Sentinels first promised him a spot and then denied him the spot at the last second. Don't give me your BS if you have nothing to back it up. And You guys are just hateful towards him which is why you are siding with the CEO.
@@basiliskdoor You realize that shahz and shroud are close friends and regularly support each other and communicate with each other. Your dim-witted opinions and inability to have a critical thought doesn't change that. The only people that construed Shahz's tweet as an attack on shroud are people that hate him and people that are not smart-these groups often overlap. Shahz literally called shroud and they laughed about it. You literally do not house a single valuable thought in that cavernous skull Shroud was undeniably inexperienced, he literally played no competitive Valorant. There were a glut of experienced/match-ready controller players they could've have gotten/poached/borrowed. He was the content choice. THINK.
Shroud wasnt the problem though? Hell, Shroud even won them a couple of rounds. Dont get me wrong though, he didnt play amazingly but for somebody who hasnt played competitively in a long time (and was asked on a short notice), he did surprisingly well.
@@lion52193 Bro Shroud was definitely a big + to the team competitively speaking. He really was working hard and putting in work and forcing the players (in a good way) to bootcamp ect .. instead of just streaming h24 as they usually do
Yo, this is way more complicated than I thought.. I thought it was just Shaz and Rob.. and I thought it's over since Sentinel already had new line up and Shahz already joined G2.. moral of the story: -don't make any promises you can't keep -Everything's based on contract, not just promises. It's business after all.
Nah bro. Shaz is not blaming shroud on hia tweet. It was literally for the org who lied to him. He's just spitting fax of what they did lol. I don't blame shaz, that vid sens made is kind of directed at the previous sen igl, so even I would react to on it specially when the org I worked with for 3 whole years made a promise to me and just dump me after what I did for them. Like bruh, SENTINELS as an org is just too greedy. Look what they did to dapr😑
dude mentions that he doesn't like shroud being his teammate, and comes scrims and lcq and he was praising him like a new born God in valorant, then after he was kicked by sentinels that he throws shroud under the bus, he was like "he wasnt a pro, he's a liability" etc. you don't do that, if you have a problem with the org, you be a man and mention only the org. I'm not taking sides with this one in my own opinion because I don't know the full story behind but a player throwing a player under the bus so he could have an advantage on an argument is a fk-up human being
He didnt say anything to shroud! Seeing shrouds name just made peoples dick grow inwards thats all!! It is true that he wasnt competing and to have certain reservations against that is understandable. And if they did promise him a spot it makes sense that hes Mad!! Zombs is wrong if he actually thinks that and so is everyone that thinks that tweet was against shroud in anyway!!
It's dumb and unprofessional from the org to sarcastically aiming shaz by making the video and posting it on twitter. Shahz left the team and the org still want to sarcastically target him???
zombs is so clueless Bro he just wants everyone to llove him and hate shaz still kinda toxic and he just laughs the whole time. SEN made a stab at Shaz's play calling ability and he brought up the fact they we're told they would be given franchising REGARDLESS OF RESULTS, if they played with Shroud. That isn't a dig at shroud it's a dig at the system in place to draw more viewers to a game. In a sense, it's almost tampering/rigging game results. Even half the comments on this video are still shaz v. zombs but noone wants to point out how fucked the Val franchising was from the beginning.
it's not fucked up at all, riot never mentioned that the best teams are the ones that would join franchising, since every single team was about to change regardless
Sure but Zombs isn’t wrong about comment towards Shroud. It makes Shroud look like shit and he could’ve worded it better so Shroud doesn’t get flamed for no reason
@@satorugojo8930 "you should beat around the bush and stay quiet because it involves a homie" is basically what he said. Maybe the wording was off but if anything if thats how the ceo made it sound and if thats how Shahz took it then thats on the CEO imo
@@ohhhh Bruh even if you dont beat around the bush with ur homies, u shouldnt be exposing that in a public setting for the whole world to see. Shatzam threw shroud under the bus even tho he claimed they were friends 💀 Would you do the same thing to your friends on social media?
Damn I used to think zombs was the issue... Shaz proving everyone wrong
Shaz been a problem since 2014
they both were he was put on anchor role with team decision not just shaz puting ur best player on a 50/50 role instead oif chamber when he was busted is quite literally the dumbest thing for example if yay was on jett he wouldnt be anywhere near the player that he is today just bc its a good role for good aimers
@@OhSheaPoker only real ones know what he did in his cs days
@@erkxyz what did he do.. pls enlighten me
@@MunchkinBoy0308 was an instigator and drama queen in general and still is it seems!
The fact that he even phrased it the way he did without even a 2nd thought of how it would sound is really weird on Shazams part, regardless of who wronged who you don't just throw you friend under the bus especially when there's a whole highlight reel of him saving the teams ass in clutch situations
You realize that shahz and shroud are close friends and regularly support each other and communicate with each other. Your dim-witted opinions and inability to have a critical thought doesn't change that. The only people that construed Shahz's tweet as an attack on shroud are people that hate him and people that are not smart-these groups often overlap. Shahz literally called shroud and they laughed about it. You literally do not house a single valuable thought in that cavernous skull.
Dude just loves being the centre of drama. Like even if he got screwed by the org there are better ways to say these things without coming off as a massive loser.
shaz salty af , shroud played amazing even when he was forced to plant all the time
nah the ibuypower shit with steel and shaz being a snake to get an out instead of taking the fall with them i knew he wasn't it
@@munchy_muncher69 is steel the same guy in DSG now or different person?
Shaz tearing the old sen family apart fr, Like Shaz and Zombs got a divorce, Sick who was the eldest brother got the puppy (Tenz) and Shaz and his brother Dapr decided to move out
Go back playing your anime kid 😂 This kid be making pro teams like family 🤦
@@thewhutnow5795 you're like too alpha no?
@@thewhutnow5795 what
@@tokenuwu4505 too alpha for your liking weeb?
They're not family lil bro, they are pros and it called competitive. even if they have to let everyone downs just for getting a spot, they gonna do it. Your comment just like common SEN / Tenz fanboys. They way shahz's called out shroud is unnecessary, but the org has their own mistakes, idk why but sentinel likes to bashed their ex players somehow. You have to grow up and see the other perspective, that wheel content was so disrespectful for Former Sentinel Roster (especially players who playing with Tenz), but they has their own take about it, maybe shahz just holding it for too long. You should be a kiddo if you thought that pro scene is a flower garden with a family friendly sht type of realitionship
Shroud caught strays just because shahz' feelings were hurt by a meme
shahz is king of burning bridges
kinda true
COME BACK JAVAJUICE PLEASE
@@Heirloop lmfao ily heirloop
everyone agreeing with zombs for once, rare as hell lol
I mean a massive red-flag is when they "couldn't" find a coach for what? 2 years or something like that? That is a big indication of an ego, especially when the later half of the year they were getting rolled by everyone. Shahz was also talking about how they couldn't find a "good" coach. I wonder who pushed that idea. Was it a group decision or was it one or two people imposing their view.
And then they got Rawkus, who's a shit coach, but lets Shahz lead and decide :D
Most probably Shahz declined a lot of coaches because then those coaches would lead the team instead and create a good work/practice ethics. Then shitzham won't be able to stream when there is a match in 5 hours. So he somehow got this rawkass instead who is his friend so something like that woud'nt happen.
@@Mycrosss we all know Rawkus is a fake coach hahahhaha and just for PR thing.
@@Mycrosss yeah rawkus was there as a cheerleader selected by shaz himself
P
for once, i agree with zombs
its been the story since c9 and cs all the way through. shahz is legit the most hard done by, pure no wrong done man in esports.
“No wrong done” 💀
@@a.w_. i said what I said
@@honobuyonezawa2054 thank you for speaking your truth brother ❤️❤️
Shroud is rich and just chillin meanwhile Shazam causing another drama kekw
nah I'm sorry, but when I watched lcq, shahz and dapr were obviously the main weaknesses.
Shahz kept playing jett in ranked for hours everyday. He didn't even play jett in pro. He then cried about people telling him about it but "we don't understand". Every or almost every sucessful pro plays their agents even in solo q in most games.
@@emsa7esm203 bro what 💀 there are so many pro players that couldn’t care less about ranked and they still scrim and go into custom matches to play their role so having fun in ranked won’t change anything. but i get what u mean because shaz can’t play anything other than jett in ranked
@@okMasq Yeah pros dont care about ranked, what I mean is they play their agents in ranked not because ranked matters, but to keep themselves in top form with their respective agents. They don't do that all the time, but they do it a good amount. All Shahz did was play jett.
Dapr played really well tho
shahz was the problem, zombs was the scapegoat
2 years ago people said Shaz is such a positive and good IGL, I'm glad I didn't listen
Then tells everyone "it has nothing to do with Shroud", he literally mentioned him. Shroud can adapt yes but mentioning him on statement like you're pushed to play when all along you've been praising that person when you were teammates and then after roster shuffle you suddenly hate your former team. Honestly, do you wanna be with G2 or Sen?
I honestly don’t think Shahz was saying it with bad intentions towards shroud but the way he said it, no matter what he meant it just comes out wrong like zombs was saying
Shaz is the type of friend u don’t want
every bit and ounce of goodwill I had on Shaz dropped upon seeing that tweet lol.
Shaz is always starting bullshit for no reason, even back in his cs days (look at iBuyPower). He’s an L friend and an L player who only cares about himself. He brings others down and makes them look bad to make himself look better.
And somehow he’s amassed a group of fans who will blindly accept any bullshit he tells them
The point of typing it like that is because he was still upset about Senteniels screwing with him with the contract situation. The org did him dirty snd thats what he was expressing i think people are interpreting the wrong way as i dont see it calling Shroud bad but calling out Sen on empty promises
even if the org did do him dirty its wrong and no reason to cause drama at all why make it public at all it was one small meme on twitter and shahz has to throw a ex teammate shroud under the bus it starting to get suspicious the amount of drama shahz has been on and always end a victim this time its finallly got him because it was childish
seems to be shahz loves being the center of attention
@@abyss307 the meme was kinda weird though
Shahzam showing why he’s on G2 after everything that’s happened.
Great content from King zombs
Shaz proved everyone wrong when we all thought he wasn't the problem!
zombs owns shahzam
I never cared for shaz, always thought he was overrated and never that good.
shahz always just the center of drama, there's a pattern here
ratzam hasnt changed over the years
I think Sentinels prefers franchises over LCQ, with them including shroud into the team, they will automatically get more viewers and finally Riot includes them in the franchise. and it works!
thx google translate
they were already set for franchising even before shroud and lcq. u literally can't mention valorant without mentioning sentinels. that org however bad thier competitive team is is the face of the game
@@rowbott basically the Valorant version of TSM with NA League
No doubt in my mind that if shroud was picked up from day 1 over Shazam shroud is the better player .
The fact that shaz deleted his tweet implies that he didn't thought of it clearly lmao
he deleted it ? wow.
@@ashishtembhekar4251 He has not deleted it 💀
He aint deleted his tweet what u talking about?
Deleted where
Check replies it’s still there
Bro shroud plant, clutch, opening site, do lineup that man doing so hard on lcq
at this point it's just better for shaz to run than curse the road
Once a snake, always a snake i guess
I hecking love Zombs
Going be funny to see G2 get beaten by Sentinels
sen is stacked but its aint going to be easy to beat other team with new team
common zombs w
People are taking a random dumb tweet a bit too seriously, it's really obvious that he wasn't serious. I don't like the guy that much but people are really trying so hard to create reasons to dislike him even more.
it came from his mouth on his stream also
wdym? the only one raging over a fucking meme is Shaz himself.
really obvious that he wasn't serious????
Shahzam fanboy?
@@fsher2955 yeah im a huge fan of the guy i dont like
Im actually kinda embarrassed to own a shaz jersey tbh. Used to love the guy but as of late, yikes.
zombs protecting daddy CEO to stay on SEN
Fr
bros a bootlicker. But shit i dont blame him
Is he wrong though?
I mean your washed player shahz be salty and baby raging all the time even shroud be catching strays from him 😂
hes not wrong though
i completely agree with zombs here
Shazam can't digest the fact that, he is scrap now, use and thrown. Kicked out from sentinels.
Can't get over his ex. 🤣🤣😂😂
now watch how Shahzeb "Drama Queen" Khan is going to shift the beef from Sentinels to zombs for "talking behind my back on stream and villainizing me"
i think shahz actually didnt mean anything bad about that they played with shroud, but just that they made them play with shroud even though they were better players and that they promised him a place in sen if they played with shroud
but why would he be complaining about shroud if he wasnt even the reason why they lost
@@naka6341 i think it was just about the last part, that they promised him a place but they dropped him anyways
@@kimo0306 it’s just wailings at this point, he can’t accept the fact that he is horrible as a igl
@@kimo0306 oh yeah thats def fucked i agree
Shroud didn’t pull the team down at all it was just poor stratting and the fact that they met 100T so early, who were clearly just the best team in that LCQ.
Can someone plz explain to me what’s going on
Shaz just loves drama
after winning iceland shahz ego sky rockets as well
Both of them is wrong i think. SEN does lie to shaz. And shaz take the wrong way to response
I mean Tbh Shahzam tweet was directed towards the lie which was told by the Org. No where did Shahz say that Shroud played bad. Read the tweet again then come back. He literally said the Org promised him a spot if they play with shroud. That does not means he didn't want to play with shroud.
@@basiliskdoor Yeah but no where does it state that he didn't want to play with shroud. He literally said Org promised him a spot. You guys are literally bad mouthing him for something he didn't even do. "You must play with shroud" does not mean he didn't want to or he didn't appreciate him on the team. He is talking about how org handled the situation. Man stop making a fuzz about such trivial things. My goodness the new gen is just too soft
@@basiliskdoor fr this dude dumb asf
The owner denied that, I'll side with him, I don't trust ratzam
@@essschesss6471 but people don't accuse someone without having any proof or any promise. Dude look at it this way, you don't know how the owner is of Sentinels. Look at Daprs situation, Sentinels first promised him a spot and then denied him the spot at the last second. Don't give me your BS if you have nothing to back it up. And You guys are just hateful towards him which is why you are siding with the CEO.
@@basiliskdoor You realize that shahz and shroud are close friends and regularly support each other and communicate with each other. Your dim-witted opinions and inability to have a critical thought doesn't change that. The only people that construed Shahz's tweet as an attack on shroud are people that hate him and people that are not smart-these groups often overlap. Shahz literally called shroud and they laughed about it. You literally do not house a single valuable thought in that cavernous skull
Shroud was undeniably inexperienced, he literally played no competitive Valorant. There were a glut of experienced/match-ready controller players they could've have gotten/poached/borrowed. He was the content choice. THINK.
Shaz just loves the drama. Doin everything to stay relevant. Lost my respect for him
I heckin love sentinels and rob
Leme bring popcorn and watch comments under some comment 🍿
When I saw Shroud joining Sentinels I said GG. Was a bit to late. And was more for marketing than go to worlds.
Shroud wasnt the problem though? Hell, Shroud even won them a couple of rounds. Dont get me wrong though, he didnt play amazingly but for somebody who hasnt played competitively in a long time (and was asked on a short notice), he did surprisingly well.
It was shaz bringing up all these dramas and giving problems to the franchise 😂
@@lion52193 Bro Shroud was definitely a big + to the team competitively speaking. He really was working hard and putting in work and forcing the players (in a good way) to bootcamp ect .. instead of just streaming h24 as they usually do
Shaz will call everyone is the problen except him
mf acting like SEN didn't lose a bunch of games before shroud joined. They were in desperate situation, not winning regardless of shroud.
He will surely get double salary this month lol
For once i agree with zombs,he is totally right
TO BE HONEST I AM LOSING MY RESPECT FOR SHAZ DAY BY DAY..I REALLY USE TO LIKE THE GUY.
can someone explain
i agree zombs, i agree
this shaz guy has an ego. his not even that good and i think his the problem in sentinels. he acts like he has proven anything.
Yo, this is way more complicated than I thought.. I thought it was just Shaz and Rob.. and I thought it's over since Sentinel already had new line up and Shahz already joined G2.. moral of the story: -don't make any promises you can't keep
-Everything's based on contract, not just promises. It's business after all.
Shaz is such a child
Shahz is just jealous man
I've lost my respect to Shahz
I never liked this kid atitude... But i cant lie just because i dont like him... He is kinda right xD
i know from his haircut that man want to be center of attention
Oh, so people finally seen through Shaz fake face ? Took you long enough.
Nah bro. Shaz is not blaming shroud on hia tweet. It was literally for the org who lied to him. He's just spitting fax of what they did lol. I don't blame shaz, that vid sens made is kind of directed at the previous sen igl, so even I would react to on it specially when the org I worked with for 3 whole years made a promise to me and just dump me after what I did for them. Like bruh, SENTINELS as an org is just too greedy. Look what they did to dapr😑
dude mentions that he doesn't like shroud being his teammate, and comes scrims and lcq and he was praising him like a new born God in valorant, then after he was kicked by sentinels that he throws shroud under the bus, he was like "he wasnt a pro, he's a liability" etc. you don't do that, if you have a problem with the org, you be a man and mention only the org. I'm not taking sides with this one in my own opinion because I don't know the full story behind but a player throwing a player under the bus so he could have an advantage on an argument is a fk-up human being
btw, it came from his mouth on stream
RATZHAM
He didnt say anything to shroud! Seeing shrouds name just made peoples dick grow inwards thats all!! It is true that he wasnt competing and to have certain reservations against that is understandable. And if they did promise him a spot it makes sense that hes Mad!! Zombs is wrong if he actually thinks that and so is everyone that thinks that tweet was against shroud in anyway!!
It's dumb and unprofessional from the org to sarcastically aiming shaz by making the video and posting it on twitter. Shahz left the team and the org still want to sarcastically target him???
Zombs didn't get it. zombs is such a baby.
ShahzASS
W zombs
zombs is so clueless Bro he just wants everyone to llove him and hate shaz still kinda toxic and he just laughs the whole time. SEN made a stab at Shaz's play calling ability and he brought up the fact they we're told they would be given franchising REGARDLESS OF RESULTS, if they played with Shroud. That isn't a dig at shroud it's a dig at the system in place to draw more viewers to a game. In a sense, it's almost tampering/rigging game results. Even half the comments on this video are still shaz v. zombs but noone wants to point out how fucked the Val franchising was from the beginning.
keep praising your stupid ratzam u fanboy
it's not fucked up at all, riot never mentioned that the best teams are the ones that would join franchising, since every single team was about to change regardless
Sure but Zombs isn’t wrong about comment towards Shroud. It makes Shroud look like shit and he could’ve worded it better so Shroud doesn’t get flamed for no reason
Shahz a grown ass man dawg... such a drama queen
zombs needs to get a life and stop being salty cause they dropped him
he a cry baby
Zombs is a snake. Lmfao
And Shaz isn't?
🤣
zombs tweekin
Nah it he was speaking fax
@@satorugojo8930 "you should beat around the bush and stay quiet because it involves a homie" is basically what he said. Maybe the wording was off but if anything if thats how the ceo made it sound and if thats how Shahz took it then thats on the CEO imo
@@ohhhh why is saying this now and previously said shroud was good? hes just a big drama qween.
@@ohhhh Bruh even if you dont beat around the bush with ur homies, u shouldnt be exposing that in a public setting for the whole world to see. Shatzam threw shroud under the bus even tho he claimed they were friends 💀 Would you do the same thing to your friends on social media?
UwU
HOLY FUCK RARE W FROM ZOMBS
i think zombs have some mantal health issue