Don't do your business next to a water supply, Don't camp near a water supply, wildlife need it. Best advice I've heard for a while, brillant and wise ! thanks mate clear and very good explanation around water management, thanks for this.
Another great video HPG! With regard to bleach, remember there is a shelf life. Hypochlorite degrades over time. Also, once a water filter is used it must be protected against cold. Damaged membranes allow more of the bad stuff through via expansion.
Outstanding point on always pumping your filter absolutely clear of water after every use. Kicking myself for not including that in the outline. I've never had any issues with a cracked filter, but I always make sure it's dry.
Thanks for the great info. I have been using a cnoc outdoor bag for my sawer filter setup and it works well. They have larger openings to collect dirty water. Also agree on the first needs filter. It is a bit bigger and heavier, but about the best for filtering water you can count on. Understanding filter maintenance is an area many don’t understand or practice before they go out. Great subject. Thanks for adding it to your longhouse series. Been a while. 😊
Cut the bottom off a plastic water bottle for filling your dirty bag for squeeze filters. I'd be surprised if that wouldn't enable you to collect water from nearly any water source. Also ditch the garbage Sawyer mylar bags and get a CNOC bladder. I live in the PNW, so after a few trips I realized the First Need was absolute overkill for me. Large bodies of running water are available nearly everywhere. I'll still take it on larger group trips though, and offset my weight to other people, as the speed of filtering for a group is a great convenience.
There's no way that you can funnel water from underneath of a talus field. I definitely get the attraction of the Sawyer in more water rich environments, or for folks hiking on established trails with known good water sources. There have just been too many times I've needed water and gotten it in places that required a pump to get at the water. Could I have gotten by without that water and kept looking for a place I could have funneled it out for use with a Sawyer? Maybe.
@@HillPeopleGear for sure, anything where reach is required isn't going to work. As with anything regarding back country gear, YMMV based upon location and use case.
Thanks for continuing to put out videos. I just got my HPG Heavy Recon KB and am enjoying figuring out the loadout and putting it into use. It's tempting to overload it, but I'm figuring out the "need to have at hand" gear and what can go in the pack. On this vid, oh, the luxuries of east coast water access!
Excellent points as always. Water is so important during the hot months but equally important in the cold weather as well. I'm currenting running the sawyer squeeze with 2 l zip open dirty water bag. Lots of water where I run. No issues to fill the bag.......yet. Nate
Hey HPG! Thanks for the great vid! Any chance you have any experience with the Grayl geopress? It claims to remove not only biological but also virus/chemical/metal contaminants. It's fairly new to market but seems promising if it can deliver...
The Overland Journal test was published in the magazine. Here's some online chatter about it after the fact expeditionportal.com/forum/threads/overland-journal-completes-water-filter-and-purifier-test.33108/ . It's worth finding the magazine to read the article -- they went way out of their way to try to get the Steripen to work. Got a second unit from the manufacturer, ran testing again, clarified the water, etc. I don't know if Craig at Nature Reliance ever published his findings or not. His test only came up in conversation because he was standing beside me when someone asked me about water filters. I relayed the Overland Journal findings as well as anecdotal stories of Steripen failure and Craig piped up with the lab tests he had had done. He's always testing survival gear to see what works and doesn't so he can recommend the right things in his classes. He's the kind of guy to simply focus on what *does* work and ignore the rest.
I have a hypothesis about why the UV pens don't work. Part of the problem with UV is the lamp needs to be close to whatever it is working on for it to do its job. Most people dip a UV pen at the top of a bottle, as per the manufacturer's instructions (!), but the contaminants are anywhere in the bottle and drifting toward the bottom of the container, away from the UV light. It is almost comical how the pen manufacturers themselves don't seem to care about how to use UV properly.
Don't do your business next to a water supply,
Don't camp near a water supply, wildlife need it.
Best advice I've heard for a while, brillant and wise ! thanks mate
clear and very good explanation around water management, thanks for this.
Another great video HPG! With regard to bleach, remember there is a shelf life. Hypochlorite degrades over time. Also, once a water filter is used it must be protected against cold. Damaged membranes allow more of the bad stuff through via expansion.
Outstanding point on always pumping your filter absolutely clear of water after every use. Kicking myself for not including that in the outline. I've never had any issues with a cracked filter, but I always make sure it's dry.
Thanks for the great info. I have been using a cnoc outdoor bag for my sawer filter setup and it works well. They have larger openings to collect dirty water. Also agree on the first needs filter. It is a bit bigger and heavier, but about the best for filtering water you can count on. Understanding filter maintenance is an area many don’t understand or practice before they go out.
Great subject. Thanks for adding it to your longhouse series. Been a while. 😊
Cut the bottom off a plastic water bottle for filling your dirty bag for squeeze filters. I'd be surprised if that wouldn't enable you to collect water from nearly any water source. Also ditch the garbage Sawyer mylar bags and get a CNOC bladder.
I live in the PNW, so after a few trips I realized the First Need was absolute overkill for me. Large bodies of running water are available nearly everywhere. I'll still take it on larger group trips though, and offset my weight to other people, as the speed of filtering for a group is a great convenience.
There's no way that you can funnel water from underneath of a talus field. I definitely get the attraction of the Sawyer in more water rich environments, or for folks hiking on established trails with known good water sources. There have just been too many times I've needed water and gotten it in places that required a pump to get at the water. Could I have gotten by without that water and kept looking for a place I could have funneled it out for use with a Sawyer? Maybe.
@@HillPeopleGear for sure, anything where reach is required isn't going to work. As with anything regarding back country gear, YMMV based upon location and use case.
I got to watch some of the water procurement presentation on instagram, but was on the road and couldn't finish it. Thanks for posting up.
Love these little gems of invaluable knowledge!
Thanks for continuing to put out videos. I just got my HPG Heavy Recon KB and am enjoying figuring out the loadout and putting it into use. It's tempting to overload it, but I'm figuring out the "need to have at hand" gear and what can go in the pack.
On this vid, oh, the luxuries of east coast water access!
Excellent points as always. Water is so important during the hot months but equally important in the cold weather as well. I'm currenting running the sawyer squeeze with 2 l zip open dirty water bag. Lots of water where I run. No issues to fill the bag.......yet.
Nate
Love these vids! Keep up the great vids and amazing products!
Always grateful for sharing your knowledge. Thank you
Great video, What brand hat is that? have been looking for one like that for awhile
Beaver brand. No longer made.
Hey HPG! Thanks for the great vid! Any chance you have any experience with the Grayl geopress? It claims to remove not only biological but also virus/chemical/metal contaminants. It's fairly new to market but seems promising if it can deliver...
Sorry, no. It's certainly an auspicious name...
Any links or directions to the studies showing Steripen does not work as advertised?
The Overland Journal test was published in the magazine. Here's some online chatter about it after the fact expeditionportal.com/forum/threads/overland-journal-completes-water-filter-and-purifier-test.33108/ . It's worth finding the magazine to read the article -- they went way out of their way to try to get the Steripen to work. Got a second unit from the manufacturer, ran testing again, clarified the water, etc. I don't know if Craig at Nature Reliance ever published his findings or not. His test only came up in conversation because he was standing beside me when someone asked me about water filters. I relayed the Overland Journal findings as well as anecdotal stories of Steripen failure and Craig piped up with the lab tests he had had done. He's always testing survival gear to see what works and doesn't so he can recommend the right things in his classes. He's the kind of guy to simply focus on what *does* work and ignore the rest.
I have a hypothesis about why the UV pens don't work. Part of the problem with UV is the lamp needs to be close to whatever it is working on for it to do its job. Most people dip a UV pen at the top of a bottle, as per the manufacturer's instructions (!), but the contaminants are anywhere in the bottle and drifting toward the bottom of the container, away from the UV light. It is almost comical how the pen manufacturers themselves don't seem to care about how to use UV properly.
Is that a leatherman PST?
Leatherman Sideclip. Best tool they ever made -- perfect balance of light weight compactness and capability.