The gospel is the GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM! Repent and believe the gospel! Follow Jesus’ teachings! Jesus is going to return and set up the kingdom of God ON THE EARTH! God’s government ON THE EARTH! The Messiah will resurrect his people! The destiny of the Messiah and his people is to be ON THE EARTH! The renewed restored earth! God also dwelling with them! Rev 21 Jesus said the Father is the only true God! John 17 3 And this is eternal life, that they know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent. RSV Only-monos God-theos Monos theos Monotheism The Father Jesus is the one sent by the true God (the Father)! Jesus never claimed to be God, Jesus said he has a God! Jesus has a God! Jesus died! God can’t die! God raised Jesus from the dead!
@@mitchellc4 'In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.' - John 1:1 'because by Him everything was created, in heaven and on earth, the visible and the invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities- all things have been created through Him and for Him.' -Colossians 1:16
@@mitchellc4 hi Mitchell 😊 well my friend I guess we are going to have to agree to disagree. For I have struggled to know the nature of God and how Jesus and the Holy Spirit are all related until the truth was revealed and set me free. I guess the best advice I can give to another brother in Christ is as long as you have faith in Jesus and believed He died on the cross for our sins and rose again. May we all be as saved and accounted for on that Great Day. Peace to you my brother.
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God is eternal. He is also, among other things, immutable...which means, He does not (cannot) change. So, 6000+ years ago, God did not suddenly 'become' the Creator. Why? Because He is eternally the Creator...which means He has been creating for eternity...which means there's a lot of stuff out there that's not accounted for in Genesis...which means there's a lot more to the spiritual realm than we've been taught to think.
There are many many many many things to be known and the people have the secrets I wish I can talk with them I wish they would let me know some of the secrets pass down from generation to generation
You don't actually avoid the problem by saying God is creating angels (and other things) for eternity past. God still went from "not the creator of earth" to "creator of earth". There are good solutions out there, and the solution depends on whet your a classical theist or a theistic personalist. But the solutions are not that good created other things. But you could be right, good could have been creating for all eternity, but your argument fails to establish that must be true.
@@JustScriptureMinistries The Bible doesn’t state when the heavenly host were created. It could’ve been before this reality. We know there are higher dimensional realities thanks to the quantum Hall effect ; at least a 4th spatial dimension for now.
The book of Jubilees (presumably written by Moses) says the angels were created on the first day of creation. This makes perfect sense, because on the second day they were singing God’s praises as He continued with creation.
I pretty much agree with you, bro. Just adding a point I learned in one of my theology classes decades ago: When angels appeared, they used accommodation. They accommodated their shape and form to man, in accordance with man's ability to process the event. They appeared as men, or as strangers, or with wings. But their accommodation may or may not have been what they actually look like.
My position is that the notion got conflated with descriptions of the seraphim and cherubim. Cherubim’s wings are described covering the mercy seat on the Ark of the Covenant for example.
The gospel is the GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM! Repent and believe the gospel! Follow Jesus’ teachings! Jesus is going to return and set up the kingdom of God ON THE EARTH! God’s government ON THE EARTH! The Messiah will resurrect his people! The destiny of the Messiah and his people is to be ON THE EARTH! The renewed restored earth! God also dwelling with them! Rev 21 Jesus said the Father is the only true God! John 17 3 And this is eternal life, that they know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent. RSV Only-monos God-theos Monos theos Monotheism The Father Jesus is the one sent by the true God (the Father)! Jesus never claimed to be God, Jesus said he has a God! Jesus has a God! Jesus died! God can’t die! God raised Jesus from the dead!
Timothy Scavo Jesus said before Abraham was born “ego eimi” which means I am he Multiple people say ego eimi in the New Testament, but you’re not saying they are God? The blind man who was healed said it John 9 9 Some said, “It is he”; others said, “No, but he is like him.” He said, “I am the man.” I am the man= ego eimi The blind man just said ego eimi, did he just refer to Exodus and claim to be God?? Of course not I believe in the Greek translation of Exodus it says “Ego eimi HO ON” Tell them “HO ON” has sent you (I Am has sent you) Had Jesus said HO ON you may have a point, but he didn’t
I think the purpose of the angels is also relevant to when they were created. They exist in the service of God, as his messengers. But there are those who are made to protect His Glory from the corruption of man. It would make sense that the angels were created before the world at large, so that they could serve through His Will.
All possibilities. All speculative at the end of the day. Their role and position and Jesus as their Creator and Ruler are the most important at the end of the day.
Waters are referred to people in the Bible, so the parting of the upper and lower waters would be the separation of the heavenly angels from the earth. This may put their creation in day 2 as they would witness the day 3 formation of the earth which is dry land and the rest of the creation there of.
I view it abit more litterally, (although your view is interesting and I will think about it) my view is that when He seperated the Waters Below from those above that was when He put The H20 Layer above the Atmosphere, that surrounds Earth
1 Chron 21: 16 Rev 10: 1 and 2 an 5 and even Rev 9 accounts. The angels respectively described by king David and by Apostle John did not look or have the form of mere men. Scriptures does not contradict itself. The bottomline is that it is safe to say that some angels may look like men, and some others more dreadful. The same way some of our law enforcement personnel may look more fierce than the other. God is the Lord of hosts
My genesis prof at LU had an argument for this and I went back to my notes and can't find it. I think he argued they were created right before Adam, or after, I can't remember. It was novel, and he admitted that, but also had presented it to other scholars who have it merit, or agreed.
It’s a fun topic to explore for a little bit. I think it’s a very safe assumption that they were created before mankind. Exactly when, we’ll find out one day. 😀
Lucifer was the cherubim that covered the throne of God. He led the angels in morning song and worship of God, and was given domain over the earth. When he fell and was removed from Heaven he lost domain over the earth. In the battle that ensued the earth was laid waste, therefore it was void and without form. Our time began when God raised the earth up again, creating it over again, and in this time He created Adam and Eve, and Adam was given dominion over the earth. Adam was made in the image of God. The angels were told to bow to Adam, and some rebelled. Lucifer, now Satan, was infuriated over Adam being given dominion over the earth, and set his plan into motion, the temptation and fall of mankind. This gave Satan dominion over the earth again. It’s safe to say the angels were made prior to day three, and even prior to day one. It seems Adam was created, and in the image of God, in order for Jesus Christ to be born, and be in God’s image in His physical body, and to “unalive” on the cross for our transgressions, and as Christ arose to the newness of life after having lived a sinless life this then defeats Satan in this very long war between God and Satan. Just my opinion, but if you study this out scripture backs this if you rightly divide the word of truth as you study. Satan had to fall before our time, there had to be a war prior, because during this period of earth as we know it Satan has always been a fallen being. At one point he was not fallen. It was when the sin of pride entered that he fell as he thought he should be God, the first act of blasphemy. God is eternal, infinite. He knew what Lucifer would do before he was even created, but with free will Lucifer had a choice, and he chose wrong, thus chaos. Adam by free will also chose wrong, but this time it worked to bring in our Saviour Jesus Christ, who set all things right, made all things new again through His sinless life, laying down His life at Calvary on the Cross, and rising again victorious over “unaliving.” Can’t believe I have to say “unaliving,” but this is Satan’s goal to make it wrong thinking and speech to speak the truth as it is: Christ arose from the grave victorious. Checkmate. God wins.
Take into consideration the Malaks were praising God when he was making the earth. Gen 1:1 talks about the heavens and the earth already in existence just not finished. So they would have to exist sometime after the spiritual heavens came into existence and before the earth was formed. That would put them around day 1 when he separated the light from the darkness or 2
The gospel is the GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM! Repent and believe the gospel! Follow Jesus’ teachings! Jesus is going to return and set up the kingdom of God ON THE EARTH! God’s government ON THE EARTH! The Messiah will resurrect his people! The destiny of the Messiah and his people is to be ON THE EARTH! The renewed restored earth! God also dwelling with them! Rev 21 Jesus said the Father is the only true God! John 17 3 And this is eternal life, that they know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent. RSV Only-monos God-theos Monos theos Monotheism The Father Jesus is the one sent by the true God (the Father)! Jesus never claimed to be God, Jesus said he has a God! Jesus has a God! Jesus died! God can’t die! God raised Jesus from the dead!
Forg1ven S1nner Yes if you have no scripture then what is the point?? The kingdom of God and the Kingdom of heaven are the same thing Suffer the little children.....such is the kingdom of heaven Suffer the little children...such is the kingdom of God
Forg1ven S1nner No it’s just Matthew using different word, probably because the Jews sometimes liked to avoid saying God and they did avoid saying his name It’s only in Matthew How about my other questions
Forg1ven S1nner Why do you keep saying things that aren’t in scripture??? Trinity? One God in three persons?? You can’t just claim these things when there is no scripture for it? No verse says God is three persons No where does God mean three persons Which verse says Jesus is 100 God and 100 man???? It really holds no standing when you say this stuff if it’s not in scripture.
Forg1ven S1nner So you have no verses for anything I asked? However there are verses for The Father is the only God Jesus is the Messiah the Son of God Jesus died Jesus has a God Why not stick with that
Uhm, angels do not look like men, they have the power to look like men. Big difference. Otherwise, good stuff. I lean towards the idea that God made the angels in a millisecond right after making the universe, but before making the earth. Since Daniel describes angels as occupying finite locations in space, and having to travel from place to place, it is clear that they are as much dependent on being within the universe as humans are. Because angels are creatures designed to exist in the universe, It makes sense that the heaven referred to so often in the bible as the place God resides, is an actual place in space where God manifests some of himself to meet with angels. That area would be defined in spiritual means, and be a finite height, width, and depth, even though it may be quite large. Because the angels, and God, are non-material, their presence in that location is both invisible, and undetectable by the living. It makes sense that that area is near earth, and it was the grandstand from which the angels got to witness the other 99% of creation happening. When the new heavens and earth are created, God is going to move that "area" to the new earth and reside with men.
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I agree except where God resides, God exist in the most holy or Aka the place that is Above the HEAVENS OF THE HEAVENS. Apart from creation. Remember he said even the heaven of the heavens cannot contain him, he also says he fills the heavens the earth and underneath.
@@Anonymous-ez6cz First Timothy 6:16, not Second Timothy. There are several verses that say God cannot be seen, and that is absolutely correct. But there are also several verses that describe that God has been seen by men. It's clear that both statements are true, they just mean different things. God does present some sort of visible representation of himself to be seen by men, and he has used different things at different times. But whatever he shows himself as, is no more "him" than a sock puppet on your hand is you. God also has to manifest some image of himself so the angels can "see" "him." Angels are creatures, that exist in this universe. They obey physical laws, not like we do, but they have limits to their power, so there are physical laws over them. One such is they occupy space/time, which is shown by their need to move to other locations to complete tasks in those other locations. And they can be delayed in their travels, and other actions. But angels have the ability to be seen, or to be invisible. I don't have a clue how they do that. Not only that, they must somehow be massless, which would explain why they can defy gravity, and propel themselves without obeying Newtons laws of motion. But how they can have energy and still not have mass is far beyond me. Anyway, God is not fettered by any of the rules he imposes on angels and on us.
The devil was a liar and a murderer from "the beginning" but we know that he was "perfect" in his ways from the day he was created. Therefore Lucifer (Satan) as well as the angels would have to be created before "the beginning".
@@scottisnotfromhere6553 He was a liar from "the beginning" but was perfect from the day he was created. Logically, because he was created perfect and he was obviously perfect before he was a liar and a liar from "the beginning", he would've had to exist before "the beginning" to be perfect before "the beginning".
From the Beginning Since They Are Eternal That's why it was Called beginning because When Lucifer Had Sinned it was The Beginning of Sin. That's why he is called the Father of Sin/ Liar.
My heart tells me Yeshua and the Angels were created when God said "LET THERE BE LIGHT". Then he separated the light from the dark, Lucifer cast out, separated good from bad.
@@JustScriptureMinistries God, Yeshua(Yeshu) and Holy spirit are one and three. God created light, Yeshua called himself the light. Yeshua was born of a virgin Mary. To be made flesh. An angel of God said in a dream to Joseph that the son name be Immanuel. Yeshua dies for all sins gathered together. His spirit went to Sheol/Hades to prisons where people waited to be taken up with Him and ascended to Heaven. To be honest I do not know the actual time and day Yeshua was resurrected, only know the tomb was empty when Marry came in the early morning.If you have more knowledge you can give me I welcome it. God bless you.
@@wondery6693 a couple of things. I think you are dodging the question. The first statement by "one" a JW type response would be that God and Jesus are "one" in purpose not ontologically the same Divine Being YHWH. Second statement is more alluding to your position that you see Jesus as a created being and not the Creator Himself, which John and Paul are explicit in their writings that He is. Is that a fair assessment?
@@JustScriptureMinistries I have strong faith in the Lord. I am saved by His grace. What is sad is I am sure we agree on most everything but you feel the need that I must explain myself to you. My thoughts are not your thoughts neither your ways are my ways. The heavens are higher than the earth, my ways higher than your ways and my thoughts than your thoughts. I'm sure that upsets you but those are our Lords words not mine. Isaiah 55: 8-9. I allow you to believe what you believe, you should give me the same love. I know Yeshua said 'Before Abraham was born I am'. I however do not know every detail of His beginning. I doubt anyone knows the entire facts. Many things are left to wonder on purpose. I will ask Yeshua, not you, to forgive me for not knowing everything. You can pretend to know everything but you will need to answer to that with our Lord. Faith and His grace will get me to Heaven not just knowledge. Smile, I still love you and hope for blessings on you all.
Our available knowledge of who and what angels (heavenly beings) are can be derived from the Bible. Do I have the understanding of an angel? Since I’m not one, then by definition I don’t. No differently than to say no one have the understanding of God because there is only 1 true Eternal God.
God Created Angels Before the Earth Was Created. It Was In the Beginning That God Created Angels as They were Spirits, Just As God Created Heaven and Earth in The Beginning, as God Said Heaven is the Dwelling Place for The Angels Spirits Sons Of God.
Why would God create a angel knowing that it would rebel and take 1/3 of angels to go to battle with Him ? Dont you have to be perfect to be in his presence so wouldn't he make them perfect?
Isaiah 45:18 18 For thus saith the Lord that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the Lord; and there is none else. If He doesn’t create anything in vain then Heaven wasn’t created empty either!
Day 4 is when angels were created. Angels reference as "stars" Jesus speaking in Revelation 1:20 "The mystery of the seven stars that you saw in my right hand and of the seven golden lampstands is this: The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches, and the seven lampstands are the seven churches." Jesus tells us in the association with stars and angels. Angels were probably created the 4th day of creation. Genesis 1: 16-19 God made two great lights-the greater light to govern the day and the lesser light to govern the night. He also made the STARS. 17 God set them in the vault of the sky to give light on the earth, 18 to govern the day and the night, and to separate light from darkness. And God saw that it was good. 19 And there was evening, and there was morning-the FOURTH day. Isaiah 14:12-16 12 “How you are fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! How you are cut down to the ground, You who weakened the nations! 13 For you have said in your heart: ‘I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God; I will also sit on the mount of the congregation On the farthest sides of the north; 14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds, I will be like the Most High.’ 15 Yet you shall be brought down to Sheol, To the lowest depths of the Pit." The name “Lucifer,” in verse 12 which means “morning star,” is used here to describe someone who sought to overthrow God’s very throne. Revelation 12: 4 His tail drew a third of the stars of heaven and threw them to the earth. And the dragon stood before the woman who was ready to give birth, to devour her Child as soon as it was born. Revelation explains Lucifer/Satan (Adversary) thrown out of Heaven as well as angels (stars). Revelation 12:14 references "stars" as fallen angels kicked out of heaven. 12: 9 So the great dragon was cast out, that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was cast to the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. Stars also in the Bible means the sun, moon and stars, which are are positioned in or relating to the sky, or outer space as observed in astronomy. God created the stars on the 4th day of creation, which are the sun, moon and stars. The stars also may refer to the angels as well. Angels were probably created on the 4th day, because stars metaphorically refer to angels as to what was just explained with stars and angels relation in the Bible.
Something interesting to note, In the beginning God created the heavens and the Earth....what are considered the Heavens and What is considered the earth. How long did this take, did that include the Angels or not? Interesting thoughts about putting them in the creation story. Also do we know when Satan was cast out of Heaven, if so why is Satan some how allowed back to talk to God in Job? It's interesting for sure. In Jewish thought HaSatan is not the Christian Devil but just the prosecution in the court of Heaven. More interesting perspectives. It is good to be aware of other extra Biblical text and their relavancy on the subject because this may have influenced the Jewish writers and teachers and Disciples.
When the spirit(ruach) aka breath was hovering over the waters that sounds like when the messengers were created and when he made the light so by water and light plus his spirit celestial water beings were made maybe angels are liquid light beings which can shape shift into a molded form just my scattered thoughts And another thought about the spirit breath could of been the steam of his breath mixed with light formed the messengers and we humans are formed out of the earth and water
The answer is found in the book of Jubilees 2:2 For on the first day He created the the heavens which are above and the earth and the water and all the spirit which serve before Him -the Angels of the Presence, and the Angels of Sanctification, and the Angel (of the spirit of fire and the Angle of the spirit of the clouds ,and of darkness,and snow and of hail and hoar frost and the Angels of the voices and of the thunder and lightning, and the Angels of the spirits of cold and of heat, and of winter and of spring and of autumn and of summer and of all the spirits of His creatures which are in the heavens.
gen 18, 19, 28 are theophanies. it is the trinity, God Himself, not angels, because only man is made in God's image. the angels are typically monstrous. one of the typical greetings of an angel is "do not be afraid"
I wonder about the vast creation. Were 'the foundations' that astonished the Sons of God what happened on Days 1-4? The Heavenly Beings were of a fiery bright substance or form. 'Darkness' and 'Matter' (trapped or folded light) and physically delineated light were things unknown and wonderful to them. The angels and heavenly beings only knew of bright non physical substance. 'God is Light.' When matter, and physical light were created on Day 1, it astonished them and renewed their confidence in the right order of things. It was proof of their faith that this Elohim was their Creator, not just another spirit. 'The Heavens', the vast 'Host', these were created before the physical starry host were created and ordered on Day 4. The 'Heavens' of Genesis 1:1 were like 'stars', but not physical 'stars'. 'The Heavens' were those bright 'heavenly beings', a 'host' or 'army' that God became leader of as they grew in understanding. God would be called later the 'Lord of hosts', or 'God of armies'. It seems appropriate that the creation of God-like weighty beings preceded the creation of generational creatures. The non-procreative creatures 'in heaven' would indeed 'wonder' and 'long to look into these things'. There were, I think, two kinds of substances that God created in the beginning- the heavenly and physical, the 'Heavens and the Earth'. When He said 'Let there be Light' on the first day of that organizing of 'things visible', they would have been there praising Him and continuing to praise Him through the creation week, getting really excited when on Day 4 He 'flung the stars into space' at a force certainly exceeding the speed of light as we have it now. I can imagine some of those stars 'singing''. Even the great physical bodies are 'angelic' or 'sent' or morally accountable in their own quality of sentient being, their own 'I-Thou' relationship to the Creator. 'He touches the Earth and it trembles.' The invisible things are indeed mysterious with their history. The time of Satan's fall from heaven like lightening (Luke), the fall of Lucifer from heaven (Isaiah), and the casting down of that Tyre-type Satan who had been 'in Eden' (a heavenly place before the earthly Eden?) walking on sacred fiery stones (Ezekiel), and the 'serpent of old' who had grown to be a 'dragon' (Revelation) who is or was or will be thrown down after a great war- when all these things happened, and will happen, I know not. 'We'll understand it better by and by'.... 'Know ye not that you will judge angels?'... David's fatherly sorrow over beautiful long-haired rebellious son Absalom's death seems to picture Father Creator's sorrow or pain over His covering cherub's rebellion, nay-saying, pride, ambition, and inevitable fall.
The gospel is the GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM! Repent and believe the gospel! Follow Jesus’ teachings! Jesus is going to return and set up the kingdom of God ON THE EARTH! God’s government ON THE EARTH! The Messiah will resurrect his people! The destiny of the Messiah and his people is to be ON THE EARTH! The renewed restored earth! God also dwelling with them! Rev 21 Jesus said the Father is the only true God! John 17 3 And this is eternal life, that they know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent. RSV Only-monos God-theos Monos theos Monotheism The Father Jesus is the one sent by the true God (the Father)! Jesus never claimed to be God, Jesus said he has a God! Jesus has a God! Jesus died! God can’t die! God raised Jesus from the dead!
'In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.' - John 1:1 'because by Him everything was created, in heaven and on earth, the visible and the invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities- all things have been created through Him and for Him.' -Colossians 1:16
We will never really know cause the "pre-time" mythology in old testament is not only based on ancient mesopotamien/babylonian mythology (were Noah`s sons and Abraham came from, first mention of angels and demons in history!) but also not scripural documented until first bible was written during babylon exile. So we have a "scriptural leck" of maybe 3000 years from Noah to early bible scriptures, not to speak about the long periode before the great flood (serpent/lucifer, "fallen angels/nephilim")!
@@brettslaathaug4704 Sad to say but that`s what even jewish experts are saying. In fact we have only very small pieces/fragments of some ancient biblical phrases or names. The oldest mention of JHWH is about 700 B.C., it`s called "silver rolles" (Wiki). The thing is that i believe for some serious reasons into spiritual entities, but not in the way the old testament described them cause it`s all adopted by ancient sumerian/mesopotamien mythology! Even the story of Paradis, Adam, Eve and the "serpent" alias "Lucifer". In first chapter of Genesis (OT) they are NOT mentioned, but then in second chapter which is clearly made by other autors, influenced by babylonian mythologies. The big question for me is not when but WHY God created spiritual entities, doesn`t matter if they are good like "angels" or evil spirits? Both would have same "nature", means something like "light-entities" without a physical body, not similar to human beiings. Were they maybe created before a material universe existed? In bible we can`t really find some evidence for spiritual beings cause it`s all adopted ancient mythology from later called "babylonia". But many poeple had experiences that they exist - i`m also, but that`s another story ;-)
@@carstenmanz302 Jewish expert or Gentile scholar is no different. Being Jewish doesn't make you more accurate with the available data. The available mss data is limited because it's an ANE text like others and mss availability is scant but the OT DSS collection still kicks all of the other surrounding ANE texts rear. The game of who wrote it first will always be debated and the trend (secular) is to say the OT ripped it off from others regardless of what the internal attestation says. We have a bulla for Isaiah and Hezekiah but will the secular critic say that Isaiah has validity in being written in the 8th BC, no because they're not going to allow for predictive prophecy to be validated. It always and will always boil down to that. Nothing predictive in the Bible can be allowed to be dated earlier than the event that is predicted because that means the supernatural, ie God, has been proving to be true. Not going to be allowed. It's the same with Jesus in the NT predicting the Temple destruction. Same with Daniel. It's the same old debate going back to Poryphyr in 4th AD with Jerome.
I've heard that humans are actually the fallen angels who sinned against God in heaven. We were foreknown by God. And thats why we must be born again by defeating our sinful nature that causes us to sin. So we can return to that from which we were fallen. Jacob's ladder is a hint. And when Jesus said he was returning back to heaven and given the glory he had from the beginning. (Ascending and decending). And we are told to be kind to others because we may be speaking to an angel unawares. Its definitely a interesting concept that I think needs deeper investigation.
No one knew the exact time "WHEN" the Angels were created, the bible is silent about it, perhaps before God starts creating on the 1st day... but the Bible mentioned that the Fallen angels (Satan/devil) including demons (unclean spirits) started as the Sons of God, and God created them all as GOOD Angels from the beginning... 1/3 rebelled against their creator God and became what we called FALLEN ANGELS, and their leader is Satan/devil (Former Lucifer - Latin title means Morning Star)... The Bible never mentioned, "WHERE" God created them from... unlike the Humans, God created "humans from the dust, and from the dust, they shall return"... From the QURAN/KORAN, the Angels were created by Allah thru the Fire... perhaps it is true because in the Bible their punishment is in the "Sea/Ocean of Fire,"... perhaps "from Fire, they were created and from fire, they shall return."... make sense?... what do you think?
Did you watch the video? I never said the Bible was definitive about when. I presented the various ideas of thoughts and scriptures associated with them.
i never "researched" anything, but grew up Catholic, i heard satan fell from grace, and there is a large pit between heaven and hell and no one can cross it, so i guess God created the pit after satan fell? ..i believe Jesus walked the earth and performed miracles, i believe Jesus is the personification of the idea to "do good deeds physically", i believe in the Holy Spirit and that it is a metaphor to "think like God and Jesus", i believe if a person has as much true faith "as a mustard seed" that we can perform miracles like Jesus did because Jesus set the example ...Jesus was imperfect in his faith a few times before his death and yet was still the most perfect man ever..he questioned God's plan in the garden of Gethsemane and on the cross and even lost his temper in the temple money changers..this gives us all hope and sets the example that us imperfect people can get to heaven too LOL
@@DrPhilSays Understanding God, His power, the angels and demons, Heaven and hell is impossible for humans mind. The more we think of it, the more tangled it becomes. Many non-believers link it with physics and logical stuff to debunk what is written on the Bible, and there is when the 'evils' took the advantages. The demons used to cursed and possessed people in the past, they even fought with the ancestors. In the old age, demon was nothing but a gravel. They don't doesn't have much effect on humans life in that era. But now is so much different, it was likely 180°. Demons doesn't have to fight with humans anymore or even possess because nowadays people are so fragile. One whisper of the evil, and there was an earthquake casted in their faith. I've gonna admit that the demons are clever and intelligent creature. They took the advantages from people who aren't see the truth by themselves and whisper. They inflict a tumour of doubt on peoples faith, and that was I'm worrying about. I illustrate nowadays generations as latest Iphone. They're cool and smart but fragile. You dropped it from 10cm height from the floor and it possibly cracked. Different from the ancestor which I illustrated as Nokia 3315, they're not cool, boring, not smart, but hard as Thor hammer. Ypu dropped it from 20th floor and it survived. Imagine how fragile the future generations faith gonna be. And I have a scary thoughts about it. -Demons earlier attack directly -Then they possess from different world -Now they only need to whisper to create hole in humans faith -Ancestor fought with the demons directly with help of the God -Now we/they try to improve spiritual defense by 'faith' in God And in that case, I don't think there is anymore time line to the future. I don't think this age last long. God said that He will make descendants of Abraham as much as the star in the sky, but non-believer became a homosexual and they literally going to end God's plan. And maybe by the time God see that no more hope to this world, He would probably end it with the apocalypse. People maybe asking why are angels don't help us? why they don't show themselves so we can belief? why they don't help us dealing with demons like the demons did to us? Yes, the angels did help us, but their job is dealing with the 'evils' directly, not to do a speech in front of a crowd. I illustrate the angels as a filter and the demons are the thing that supposed to be filtered, Idk but maybe as non-physic entities, they might be missed number demons away. And what happened in between humans and the 'evil' is not any angels responsibility. It was ourselves with God. And the one who can help us is the God through our faith. I illustrated it as a private service that we paid with faith as a pict for money. We can combine logical knowledge and faith of God to survive in this world until the saviour come to the earth. Be safe, God bless all of us.
@@jhoelvoid2076 ..i think it is possible to understand God, His power, heaven and hell and angels and demons...the Bible says the apostles were filled with holy spirit when tongues of fire descended onto their foreheads...a symbol of thinking purely like God or Jesus inside your skull, behind your forehead... strictly speaking, (in my opinion) they were saved from eternal damnation from that moment on...normal people are damned when we know the right path but do not follow it. Best example i can give is Adam and Eve, they became enlightened about nakedness and embarrassment as well as disobeying God...this is why Jesus said children are innocent and can not sin in God's eyes, they are not fully informed or capable of understanding of the way Jesus and God think...it is sort of the opposite of earthly laws ..ignorance of God's law IS a valid excuse LOL that's kinda funny, there are some grownups that have a mind of a child, they only want to do good and laugh and have fun and get along with others...they will get to heaven easily in my opinion...smart, well educated, intelligent people with a nice home and good job and a nice car will struggle to explain why they should be let into heaven, because they could/should "sell all that you have, give the money to the poor, and come follow me" .....bless you too friend...P.S. here i sit, in a big warm house with internet and a tablet and cell phone and a car (16 year old crap LOL) and much much much more than i need to get by....... seemingly one of the world's biggest hypocrites...but remember, good advice from a hypocrite is still good advice, right?
@@DrPhilSays Yes, but I mean *pure* human mind cannot understand the power of divinity, like the non-believer. If they keep trying to connect the Bible with the 'physics', they will find nothing. And as you can see, they all stand on science rather on bible. People can understand the God power, angels and demon, heaven and hell by the help of the holy spirit, thats what non-believer doesn't have. And to be honest, I know the reason why God forbid Adam and Eve to receive the knowledge instantly from the fruit, because they didn't ready yet. And I'm frightened by it, because finally I know the truth in my 19. Even when I know the truth, I cannot hold myself from done a sin. I feel like I became more dirtier in God's eyes after receiving the knowledge, the truth. I'm not even baptized, my last time went to church was 7 months ago. I feel so embarassing. I can't even compose my word when I speak to God in my prayer, because I was so dissapointing as a christian. I don't know am I gonna make it to heaven or not, but I surely don't wanna fall into hell. I keep praying to the God and ask for His mercy, I ask him to change me before I die. In the past, my mouth was so filthy, I kept judging people of what they've done, but now I know the truth, I'm focused on my business, my sin, my life and I try as hard as possible not to say anything about people anymore, because I realized I also a sinner. And that's what I have to go through. Once people know the truth, they have to commit to hold the cross. I've always imagine how people that live in Old Testament age build their faith, they even becames martyr. They did die for defending the truth, for their faith. And then they get the heaven. I wish I can strengthened my faith like those martyrs in the past. But, I thank God for this covid-19 pandemic, because I became more closer to Him. Maybe if this pandemics never happened, I will never find the truth. Your word's 'disobeying God after know the truth' really scare me on another level. I hope I, you, and all people around the world be changed by the God to our purest form before die. Understanding the holiness is not enough, we have to prove the God that we are worthy to be saved. Thanks.
Day 4 is when angels were created. Angels reference as "stars" Jesus speaking in Revelation 1:20 "The mystery of the seven stars that you saw in my right hand and of the seven golden lampstands is this: The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches, and the seven lampstands are the seven churches." Jesus tells us in the association with stars and angels. Angels were probably created the 4th day of creation. Genesis 1: 16-19 God made two great lights-the greater light to govern the day and the lesser light to govern the night. He also made the STARS. 17 God set them in the vault of the sky to give light on the earth, 18 to govern the day and the night, and to separate light from darkness. And God saw that it was good. 19 And there was evening, and there was morning-the FOURTH day. Isaiah 14:12-16 12 “How you are fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! How you are cut down to the ground, You who weakened the nations! 13 For you have said in your heart: ‘I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God; I will also sit on the mount of the congregation On the farthest sides of the north; 14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds, I will be like the Most High.’ 15 Yet you shall be brought down to Sheol, To the lowest depths of the Pit." The name “Lucifer,” in verse 12 which means “morning star,” is used here to describe someone who sought to overthrow God’s very throne. Revelation 12: 4 His tail drew a third of the stars of heaven and threw them to the earth. And the dragon stood before the woman who was ready to give birth, to devour her Child as soon as it was born. Revelation explains Lucifer/Satan (Adversary) thrown out of Heaven as well as angels (stars). Revelation 12:14 references "stars" as fallen angels kicked out of heaven. 12: 9 So the great dragon was cast out, that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was cast to the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. Stars also in the Bible means the sun, moon and stars, which are are positioned in or relating to the sky, or outer space as observed in astronomy. God created the stars on the 4th day of creation, which are the sun, moon and stars. The stars also may refer to the angels as well. Angels were probably created on the 4th day, because stars metaphorically refer to angels as to what was just explained with stars and angels relation in the Bible.
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'In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.' - John 1:1
'because by Him everything was created, in heaven and on earth, the visible and the invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities- all things have been created through Him and for Him.'
-Colossians 1:16
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The word was with God
What does God mean there, who is the word with???
@@mitchellc4 hi Mitchell 😊 well my friend I guess we are going to have to agree to disagree. For I have struggled to know the nature of God and how Jesus and the Holy Spirit are all related until the truth was revealed and set me free.
I guess the best advice I can give to another brother in Christ is as long as you have faith in Jesus and believed He died on the cross for our sins and rose again.
May we all be as saved and accounted for on that Great Day.
Peace to you my brother.
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3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in Christ with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places,
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God is eternal. He is also, among other things, immutable...which means, He does not (cannot) change. So, 6000+ years ago, God did not suddenly 'become' the Creator. Why? Because He is eternally the Creator...which means He has been creating for eternity...which means there's a lot of stuff out there that's not accounted for in Genesis...which means there's a lot more to the spiritual realm than we've been taught to think.
You might be onto something tbf
Time is relative and such means/feels much different pending on one’s position.
There are many many many many things to be known and the people have the secrets I wish I can talk with them I wish they would let me know some of the secrets pass down from generation to generation
You don't actually avoid the problem by saying God is creating angels (and other things) for eternity past. God still went from "not the creator of earth" to "creator of earth".
There are good solutions out there, and the solution depends on whet your a classical theist or a theistic personalist. But the solutions are not that good created other things.
But you could be right, good could have been creating for all eternity, but your argument fails to establish that must be true.
@@JustScriptureMinistries The Bible doesn’t state when the heavenly host were created. It could’ve been before this reality. We know there are higher dimensional realities thanks to the quantum Hall effect ; at least a 4th spatial dimension for now.
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The book of Jubilees (presumably written by Moses) says the angels were created on the first day of creation. This makes perfect sense, because on the second day they were singing God’s praises as He continued with creation.
Nobody in scholarship puts Jubilees in the time of Moses. It was very likely written by the Qumran community around 150-100 BC.
i will read that
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I pretty much agree with you, bro.
Just adding a point I learned in one of my theology classes decades ago:
When angels appeared, they used accommodation. They accommodated their shape and form to man, in accordance with man's ability to process the event. They appeared as men, or as strangers, or with wings. But their accommodation may or may not have been what they actually look like.
Interesting topic nonetheless. Occasionally keep make some videos addressing angelology.
My position is that the notion got conflated with descriptions of the seraphim and cherubim.
Cherubim’s wings are described covering the mercy seat on the Ark of the Covenant for example.
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Jesus is going to return and set up the kingdom of God ON THE EARTH! God’s government ON THE EARTH! The Messiah will resurrect his people! The destiny of the Messiah and his people is to be ON THE EARTH! The renewed restored earth! God also dwelling with them! Rev 21
Jesus said the Father is the only true God!
John 17
3 And this is eternal life, that they know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent.
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God-theos
Monos theos
Monotheism
The Father
Jesus is the one sent by the true God (the Father)!
Jesus never claimed to be God, Jesus said he has a God!
Jesus has a God!
Jesus died!
God can’t die!
God raised Jesus from the dead!
@@mitchellc4 Repent of that heresy.
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Jesus said before Abraham was born “ego eimi” which means I am he
Multiple people say ego eimi in the New Testament, but you’re not saying they are God?
The blind man who was healed said it
John 9
9 Some said, “It is he”; others said, “No, but he is like him.” He said, “I am the man.”
I am the man= ego eimi
The blind man just said ego eimi, did he just refer to Exodus and claim to be God?? Of course not
I believe in the Greek translation of Exodus it says
“Ego eimi HO ON”
Tell them “HO ON” has sent you (I Am has sent you)
Had Jesus said HO ON you may have a point, but he didn’t
I think the purpose of the angels is also relevant to when they were created. They exist in the service of God, as his messengers. But there are those who are made to protect His Glory from the corruption of man. It would make sense that the angels were created before the world at large, so that they could serve through His Will.
All possibilities. All speculative at the end of the day. Their role and position and Jesus as their Creator and Ruler are the most important at the end of the day.
When God spoke to Job he said to him when God created the creation all the angels rejoiced
Yes. Did you watch the video? All relevant verses were addressed.
Except satan?
I didn’t say anything or would say anything that his creation was done at different point than other heavenly beings.
Waters are referred to people in the Bible, so the parting of the upper and lower waters would be the separation of the heavenly angels from the earth. This may put their creation in day 2 as they would witness the day 3 formation of the earth which is dry land and the rest of the creation there of.
I view it abit more litterally, (although your view is interesting and I will think about it) my view is that when He seperated the Waters Below from those above that was when He put The H20 Layer above the Atmosphere, that surrounds Earth
1 Chron 21: 16
Rev 10: 1 and 2 an 5 and even Rev 9 accounts.
The angels respectively described by king David and by Apostle John did not look or have the form of mere men.
Scriptures does not contradict itself. The bottomline is that it is safe to say that some angels may look like men, and some others more dreadful. The same way some of our law enforcement personnel may look more fierce than the other. God is the Lord of hosts
Does not contradict itself please. God bless
There is different ranks of Angels, that's why some look like men and some look different
1 Cor. 21?
Do you mean 12?
@@dorcasmcleod9439 1 Chronicles 21:16. Apologies and thanks for bringing to my attention.
My genesis prof at LU had an argument for this and I went back to my notes and can't find it. I think he argued they were created right before Adam, or after, I can't remember. It was novel, and he admitted that, but also had presented it to other scholars who have it merit, or agreed.
It’s a fun topic to explore for a little bit. I think it’s a very safe assumption that they were created before mankind. Exactly when, we’ll find out one day. 😀
Lucifer was the cherubim that covered the throne of God. He led the angels in morning song and worship of God, and was given domain over the earth. When he fell and was removed from Heaven he lost domain over the earth. In the battle that ensued the earth was laid waste, therefore it was void and without form. Our time began when God raised the earth up again, creating it over again, and in this time He created Adam and Eve, and Adam was given dominion over the earth. Adam was made in the image of God. The angels were told to bow to Adam, and some rebelled. Lucifer, now Satan, was infuriated over Adam being given dominion over the earth, and set his plan into motion, the temptation and fall of mankind. This gave Satan dominion over the earth again. It’s safe to say the angels were made prior to day three, and even prior to day one. It seems Adam was created, and in the image of God, in order for Jesus Christ to be born, and be in God’s image in His physical body, and to “unalive” on the cross for our transgressions, and as Christ arose to the newness of life after having lived a sinless life this then defeats Satan in this very long war between God and Satan. Just my opinion, but if you study this out scripture backs this if you rightly divide the word of truth as you study. Satan had to fall before our time, there had to be a war prior, because during this period of earth as we know it Satan has always been a fallen being. At one point he was not fallen. It was when the sin of pride entered that he fell as he thought he should be God, the first act of blasphemy. God is eternal, infinite. He knew what Lucifer would do before he was even created, but with free will Lucifer had a choice, and he chose wrong, thus chaos. Adam by free will also chose wrong, but this time it worked to bring in our Saviour Jesus Christ, who set all things right, made all things new again through His sinless life, laying down His life at Calvary on the Cross, and rising again victorious over “unaliving.” Can’t believe I have to say “unaliving,” but this is Satan’s goal to make it wrong thinking and speech to speak the truth as it is: Christ arose from the grave victorious. Checkmate. God wins.
I like most of your ideas you have good knowledge and understanding of God's word, be blessed.
Take into consideration the Malaks were praising God when he was making the earth. Gen 1:1 talks about the heavens and the earth already in existence just not finished. So they would have to exist sometime after the spiritual heavens came into existence and before the earth was formed. That would put them around day 1 when he separated the light from the darkness or 2
The gospel is the GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM!
Repent and believe the gospel! Follow Jesus’ teachings!
Jesus is going to return and set up the kingdom of God ON THE EARTH! God’s government ON THE EARTH! The Messiah will resurrect his people! The destiny of the Messiah and his people is to be ON THE EARTH! The renewed restored earth! God also dwelling with them! Rev 21
Jesus said the Father is the only true God!
John 17
3 And this is eternal life, that they know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent.
RSV
Only-monos
God-theos
Monos theos
Monotheism
The Father
Jesus is the one sent by the true God (the Father)!
Jesus never claimed to be God, Jesus said he has a God!
Jesus has a God!
Jesus died!
God can’t die!
God raised Jesus from the dead!
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Yes if you have no scripture then what is the point??
The kingdom of God and the Kingdom of heaven are the same thing
Suffer the little children.....such is the kingdom of heaven
Suffer the little children...such is the kingdom of God
Forg1ven S1nner
No it’s just Matthew using different word, probably because the Jews sometimes liked to avoid saying God and they did avoid saying his name
It’s only in Matthew
How about my other questions
Forg1ven S1nner
Why do you keep saying things that aren’t in scripture???
Trinity?
One God in three persons??
You can’t just claim these things when there is no scripture for it?
No verse says God is three persons
No where does God mean three persons
Which verse says Jesus is 100 God and 100 man????
It really holds no standing when you say this stuff if it’s not in scripture.
Forg1ven S1nner
So you have no verses for anything I asked?
However there are verses for
The Father is the only God
Jesus is the Messiah the Son of God
Jesus died
Jesus has a God
Why not stick with that
Uhm, angels do not look like men, they have the power to look like men.
Big difference.
Otherwise, good stuff.
I lean towards the idea that God made the angels in a millisecond right after making the universe, but before making the earth.
Since Daniel describes angels as occupying finite locations in space, and having to travel from place to place, it is clear that they are as much dependent on being within the universe as humans are.
Because angels are creatures designed to exist in the universe, It makes sense that the heaven referred to so often in the bible as the place God resides, is an actual place in space where God manifests some of himself to meet with angels. That area would be defined in spiritual means, and be a finite height, width, and depth, even though it may be quite large.
Because the angels, and God, are non-material, their presence in that location is both invisible, and undetectable by the living.
It makes sense that that area is near earth, and it was the grandstand from which the angels got to witness the other 99% of creation happening.
When the new heavens and earth are created, God is going to move that "area" to the new earth and reside with men.
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I agree except where God resides, God exist in the most holy or Aka the place that is Above the HEAVENS OF THE HEAVENS. Apart from creation. Remember he said even the heaven of the heavens cannot contain him, he also says he fills the heavens the earth and underneath.
@@thealphanoid6160 see 2 Timothy chapter 6v 16
@@thealphanoid6160 Read what I wrote again. You missed something I said that was very important.
@@Anonymous-ez6cz First Timothy 6:16, not Second Timothy.
There are several verses that say God cannot be seen, and that is absolutely correct.
But there are also several verses that describe that God has been seen by men. It's clear that both statements are true, they just mean different things. God does present some sort of visible representation of himself to be seen by men, and he has used different things at different times. But whatever he shows himself as, is no more "him" than a sock puppet on your hand is you. God also has to manifest some image of himself so the angels can "see" "him." Angels are creatures, that exist in this universe. They obey physical laws, not like we do, but they have limits to their power, so there are physical laws over them. One such is they occupy space/time, which is shown by their need to move to other locations to complete tasks in those other locations. And they can be delayed in their travels, and other actions. But angels have the ability to be seen, or to be invisible. I don't have a clue how they do that. Not only that, they must somehow be massless, which would explain why they can defy gravity, and propel themselves without obeying Newtons laws of motion. But how they can have energy and still not have mass is far beyond me.
Anyway, God is not fettered by any of the rules he imposes on angels and on us.
The devil was a liar and a murderer from "the beginning" but we know that he was "perfect" in his ways from the day he was created. Therefore Lucifer (Satan) as well as the angels would have to be created before "the beginning".
FROM the beginning. Not before
@@scottisnotfromhere6553 He was a liar from "the beginning" but was perfect from the day he was created. Logically, because he was created perfect and he was obviously perfect before he was a liar and a liar from "the beginning", he would've had to exist before "the beginning" to be perfect before "the beginning".
From the Beginning Since They Are Eternal That's why it was Called beginning because When Lucifer Had Sinned it was The Beginning of Sin. That's why he is called the Father of Sin/ Liar.
@@bjd2881 OOOoooooo That was good!!
My heart tells me Yeshua and the Angels were created when God said "LET THERE BE LIGHT". Then he separated the light from the dark, Lucifer cast out, separated good from bad.
Are you of the belief that Jesus is a created being or the Eternal Creator Himself?
@@JustScriptureMinistries God, Yeshua(Yeshu) and Holy spirit are one and three. God created light, Yeshua called himself the light. Yeshua was born of a virgin Mary. To be made flesh. An angel of God said in a dream to Joseph that the son name be Immanuel. Yeshua dies for all sins gathered together. His spirit went to Sheol/Hades to prisons where people waited to be taken up with Him and ascended to Heaven. To be honest I do not know the actual time and day Yeshua was resurrected, only know the tomb was empty when Marry came in the early morning.If you have more knowledge you can give me I welcome it. God bless you.
@@wondery6693 a couple of things. I think you are dodging the question. The first statement by "one" a JW type response would be that God and Jesus are "one" in purpose not ontologically the same Divine Being YHWH.
Second statement is more alluding to your position that you see Jesus as a created being and not the Creator Himself, which John and Paul are explicit in their writings that He is.
Is that a fair assessment?
@@JustScriptureMinistries I have strong faith in the Lord. I am saved by His grace. What is sad is I am sure we agree on most everything but you feel the need that I must explain myself to you.
My thoughts are not your thoughts neither your ways are my ways. The heavens are higher than the earth, my ways higher than your ways and my thoughts than your thoughts.
I'm sure that upsets you but those are our Lords words not mine. Isaiah 55: 8-9.
I allow you to believe what you believe, you should give me the same love. I know Yeshua said 'Before Abraham was born I am'. I however do not know every detail of His beginning. I doubt anyone knows the entire facts. Many things are left to wonder on purpose.
I will ask Yeshua, not you, to forgive me for not knowing everything. You can pretend to know everything but you will need to answer to that with our Lord.
Faith and His grace will get me to Heaven not just knowledge.
Smile, I still love you and hope for blessings on you all.
Do you know what an angel is do you have the understanding of an Angel
Our available knowledge of who and what angels (heavenly beings) are can be derived from the Bible.
Do I have the understanding of an angel? Since I’m not one, then by definition I don’t. No differently than to say no one have the understanding of God because there is only 1 true Eternal God.
God Created Angels Before the Earth Was Created. It Was In the Beginning That God Created Angels as They were Spirits, Just As God Created Heaven and Earth in The Beginning, as God Said Heaven is the Dwelling Place for The Angels Spirits Sons Of God.
Why would God create a angel knowing that it would rebel and take 1/3 of angels to go to battle with Him ? Dont you have to be perfect to be in his presence so wouldn't he make them perfect?
Thumbs up just for having black (brown) jesus
Isaiah 45:18
18 For thus saith the Lord that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the Lord; and there is none else.
If He doesn’t create anything in vain then Heaven wasn’t created empty either!
God created angels in day one of creation after heaven and earth created. Ref. Book of Jubilees Chapter 2:2.
Only children of the light can understand Sun's of God
What is your reason for saying “Sun’s”
Day 4 is when angels were created.
Angels reference as "stars" Jesus speaking in
Revelation 1:20 "The mystery of the seven stars that you saw in my right hand and of the seven golden lampstands is this: The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches, and the seven lampstands are the seven churches."
Jesus tells us in the association with stars and angels. Angels were probably created the 4th day of creation.
Genesis 1: 16-19 God made two great lights-the greater light to govern the day and the lesser light to govern the night. He also made the STARS. 17 God set them in the vault of the sky to give light on the earth, 18 to govern the day and the night, and to separate light from darkness. And God saw that it was good. 19 And there was evening, and there was morning-the FOURTH day.
Isaiah 14:12-16
12 “How you are fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! How you are cut down to the ground, You who weakened the nations!
13 For you have said in your heart: ‘I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God; I will also sit on the mount of the congregation On the farthest sides of the north;
14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds, I will be like the Most High.’
15 Yet you shall be brought down to Sheol, To the lowest depths of the Pit."
The name “Lucifer,” in verse 12 which means “morning star,” is used here to describe someone who sought to overthrow God’s very throne.
Revelation 12: 4 His tail drew a third of the stars of heaven and threw them to the earth. And the dragon stood before the woman who was ready to give birth, to devour her Child as soon as it was born.
Revelation explains Lucifer/Satan (Adversary) thrown out of Heaven as well as angels (stars). Revelation 12:14 references "stars" as fallen angels kicked out of heaven.
12: 9 So the great dragon was cast out, that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was cast to the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
Stars also in the Bible means the sun, moon and stars, which are are positioned in or relating to the sky, or outer space as observed in astronomy. God created the stars on the 4th day of creation, which are the sun, moon and stars. The stars also may refer to the angels as well. Angels were probably created on the 4th day, because stars metaphorically refer to angels as to what was just explained with stars and angels relation in the Bible.
Bible forget to pointed What did God create angels from
Like human creted from clay
When did god create the waters n why doesn’t it explain in the beginning???😱
Does this have something to deal with the angels being created?
Something interesting to note, In the beginning God created the heavens and the Earth....what are considered the Heavens and What is considered the earth. How long did this take, did that include the Angels or not? Interesting thoughts about putting them in the creation story.
Also do we know when Satan was cast out of Heaven, if so why is Satan some how allowed back to talk to God in Job? It's interesting for sure. In Jewish thought HaSatan is not the Christian Devil but just the prosecution in the court of Heaven.
More interesting perspectives. It is good to be aware of other extra Biblical text and their relavancy on the subject because this may have influenced the Jewish writers and teachers and Disciples.
Why not tell me first, and then I'll decide if i want to listen to how you determined your opinion.
Much speculation and no concrete evidence on the creation of angels.
Of when or at all?
Angels were created between Genesis 1 verse 1 and 2
When the spirit(ruach) aka breath was hovering over the waters that sounds like when the messengers were created and when he made the light so by water and light plus his spirit celestial water beings were made maybe angels are liquid light beings which can shape shift into a molded form just my scattered thoughts
And another thought about the spirit breath could of been the steam of his breath mixed with light formed the messengers and we humans are formed out of the earth and water
Actually angels are shapeshifting dragons, they can look like men when they want to but in there true form they were dragons.
The answer is found in the book of Jubilees 2:2 For on the first day He created the the heavens which are above and the earth and the water and all the spirit which serve before Him -the Angels of the Presence, and the Angels of Sanctification, and the Angel (of the spirit of fire and the Angle of the spirit of the clouds ,and of darkness,and snow and of hail and hoar frost and the Angels of the voices and of the thunder and lightning, and the Angels of the spirits of cold and of heat, and of winter and of spring and of autumn and of summer and of all the spirits of His creatures which are in the heavens.
SO BAD IT IS THAT YOU USE A VERY DIFFERENT CARTOON IMAGE AT THE LAST WHEN YOU MENTIONED CREATER😮😮😢
gen 18, 19, 28 are theophanies. it is the trinity, God Himself, not angels, because only man is made in God's image. the angels are typically monstrous. one of the typical greetings of an angel is "do not be afraid"
Obviously, God made the angels long before the 6 day creation events in Genesis 1...!
I thought the angels were many eyed and made of rings and also wings
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Thanks for the heads up.
I wonder about the vast creation. Were 'the foundations' that astonished the Sons of God what happened on Days 1-4? The Heavenly Beings were of a fiery bright substance or form. 'Darkness' and 'Matter' (trapped or folded light) and physically delineated light were things unknown and wonderful to them. The angels and heavenly beings only knew of bright non physical substance. 'God is Light.' When matter, and physical light were created on Day 1, it astonished them and renewed their confidence in the right order of things. It was proof of their faith that this Elohim was their Creator, not just another spirit. 'The Heavens', the vast 'Host', these were created before the physical starry host were created and ordered on Day 4. The 'Heavens' of Genesis 1:1 were like 'stars', but not physical 'stars'. 'The Heavens' were those bright 'heavenly beings', a 'host' or 'army' that God became leader of as they grew in understanding. God would be called later the 'Lord of hosts', or 'God of armies'. It seems appropriate that the creation of God-like weighty beings preceded the creation of generational creatures. The non-procreative creatures 'in heaven' would indeed 'wonder' and 'long to look into these things'. There were, I think, two kinds of substances that God created in the beginning- the heavenly and physical, the 'Heavens and the Earth'. When He said 'Let there be Light' on the first day of that organizing of 'things visible', they would have been there praising Him and continuing to praise Him through the creation week, getting really excited when on Day 4 He 'flung the stars into space' at a force certainly exceeding the speed of light as we have it now. I can imagine some of those stars 'singing''. Even the great physical bodies are 'angelic' or 'sent' or morally accountable in their own quality of sentient being, their own 'I-Thou' relationship to the Creator. 'He touches the Earth and it trembles.' The invisible things are indeed mysterious with their history. The time of Satan's fall from heaven like lightening (Luke), the fall of Lucifer from heaven (Isaiah), and the casting down of that Tyre-type Satan who had been 'in Eden' (a heavenly place before the earthly Eden?) walking on sacred fiery stones (Ezekiel), and the 'serpent of old' who had grown to be a 'dragon' (Revelation) who is or was or will be thrown down after a great war- when all these things happened, and will happen, I know not. 'We'll understand it better by and by'.... 'Know ye not that you will judge angels?'... David's fatherly sorrow over beautiful long-haired rebellious son Absalom's death seems to picture Father Creator's sorrow or pain over His covering cherub's rebellion, nay-saying, pride, ambition, and inevitable fall.
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'In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.' - John 1:1
'because by Him everything was created, in heaven and on earth, the visible and the invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities- all things have been created through Him and for Him.'
-Colossians 1:16
We will never really know cause the "pre-time" mythology in old testament is not only based on ancient mesopotamien/babylonian mythology (were Noah`s sons and Abraham came from, first mention of angels and demons in history!) but also not scripural documented until first bible was written during babylon exile. So we have a "scriptural leck" of maybe 3000 years from Noah to early bible scriptures, not to speak about the long periode before the great flood (serpent/lucifer, "fallen angels/nephilim")!
You're position is that none of the OT books were written until the Babylonian exile?
@@brettslaathaug4704 Sad to say but that`s what even jewish experts are saying. In fact we have only very small pieces/fragments of some ancient biblical phrases or names. The oldest mention of JHWH is about 700 B.C., it`s called "silver rolles" (Wiki). The thing is that i believe for some serious reasons into spiritual entities, but not in the way the old testament described them cause it`s all adopted by ancient sumerian/mesopotamien mythology! Even the story of Paradis, Adam, Eve and the "serpent" alias "Lucifer". In first chapter of Genesis (OT) they are NOT mentioned, but then in second chapter which is clearly made by other autors, influenced by babylonian mythologies. The big question for me is not when but WHY God created spiritual entities, doesn`t matter if they are good like "angels" or evil spirits? Both would have same "nature", means something like "light-entities" without a physical body, not similar to human beiings. Were they maybe created before a material universe existed? In bible we can`t really find some evidence for spiritual beings cause it`s all adopted ancient mythology from later called "babylonia". But many poeple had experiences that they exist - i`m also, but that`s another story ;-)
@@carstenmanz302 Jewish expert or Gentile scholar is no different. Being Jewish doesn't make you more accurate with the available data. The available mss data is limited because it's an ANE text like others and mss availability is scant but the OT DSS collection still kicks all of the other surrounding ANE texts rear. The game of who wrote it first will always be debated and the trend (secular) is to say the OT ripped it off from others regardless of what the internal attestation says. We have a bulla for Isaiah and Hezekiah but will the secular critic say that Isaiah has validity in being written in the 8th BC, no because they're not going to allow for predictive prophecy to be validated. It always and will always boil down to that. Nothing predictive in the Bible can be allowed to be dated earlier than the event that is predicted because that means the supernatural, ie God, has been proving to be true. Not going to be allowed. It's the same with Jesus in the NT predicting the Temple destruction. Same with Daniel. It's the same old debate going back to Poryphyr in 4th AD with Jerome.
Angels were created on the 1st day... Jubilee 2:2
That’s their view and could be, but there’s no definitive way to say from the OT.
That book is not inspired by God so don’t put truth into it. It’s not in the Bible for a reason
I've heard that humans are actually the fallen angels who sinned against God in heaven. We were foreknown by God. And thats why we must be born again by defeating our sinful nature that causes us to sin. So we can return to that from which we were fallen. Jacob's ladder is a hint. And when Jesus said he was returning back to heaven and given the glory he had from the beginning. (Ascending and decending). And we are told to be kind to others because we may be speaking to an angel unawares. Its definitely a interesting concept that I think needs deeper investigation.
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No one knew the exact time "WHEN" the Angels were created, the bible is silent about it, perhaps before God starts creating on the 1st day... but the Bible mentioned that the Fallen angels (Satan/devil) including demons (unclean spirits) started as the Sons of God, and God created them all as GOOD Angels from the beginning... 1/3 rebelled against their creator God and became what we called FALLEN ANGELS, and their leader is Satan/devil (Former Lucifer - Latin title means Morning Star)... The Bible never mentioned, "WHERE" God created them from... unlike the Humans, God created "humans from the dust, and from the dust, they shall return"...
From the QURAN/KORAN, the Angels were created by Allah thru the Fire... perhaps it is true because in the Bible their punishment is in the "Sea/Ocean of Fire,"... perhaps "from Fire, they were created and from fire, they shall return."... make sense?... what do you think?
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I never said the Bible was definitive about when. I presented the various ideas of thoughts and scriptures associated with them.
Lucifer was an archangel! He was in the garden of Eden a serpent!
Lucifer was not an archangel he was a Seraph ... 'shining one' or 'fiery serpent'
i never "researched" anything, but grew up Catholic, i heard satan fell from grace, and there is a large pit between heaven and hell and no one can cross it, so i guess God created the pit after satan fell? ..i believe Jesus walked the earth and performed miracles, i believe Jesus is the personification of the idea to "do good deeds physically", i believe in the Holy Spirit and that it is a metaphor to "think like God and Jesus", i believe if a person has as much true faith "as a mustard seed" that we can perform miracles like Jesus did because Jesus set the example ...Jesus was imperfect in his faith a few times before his death and yet was still the most perfect man ever..he questioned God's plan in the garden of Gethsemane and on the cross and even lost his temper in the temple money changers..this gives us all hope and sets the example that us imperfect people can get to heaven too LOL
@@DrPhilSays Understanding God, His power, the angels and demons, Heaven and hell is impossible for humans mind. The more we think of it, the more tangled it becomes.
Many non-believers link it with physics and logical stuff to debunk what is written on the Bible, and there is when the 'evils' took the advantages.
The demons used to cursed and possessed people in the past, they even fought with the ancestors. In the old age, demon was nothing but a gravel. They don't doesn't have much effect on humans life in that era.
But now is so much different, it was likely 180°. Demons doesn't have to fight with humans anymore or even possess because nowadays people are so fragile. One whisper of the evil, and there was an earthquake casted in their faith.
I've gonna admit that the demons are clever and intelligent creature. They took the advantages from people who aren't see the truth by themselves and whisper. They inflict a tumour of doubt on peoples faith, and that was I'm worrying about.
I illustrate nowadays generations as latest Iphone. They're cool and smart but fragile. You dropped it from 10cm height from the floor and it possibly cracked. Different from the ancestor which I illustrated as Nokia 3315, they're not cool, boring, not smart, but hard as Thor hammer. Ypu dropped it from 20th floor and it survived.
Imagine how fragile the future generations faith gonna be. And I have a scary thoughts about it.
-Demons earlier attack directly
-Then they possess from different world
-Now they only need to whisper to create hole in humans faith
-Ancestor fought with the demons directly with help of the God
-Now we/they try to improve spiritual defense by 'faith' in God
And in that case, I don't think there is anymore time line to the future. I don't think this age last long.
God said that He will make descendants of Abraham as much as the star in the sky, but non-believer became a homosexual and they literally going to end God's plan. And maybe by the time God see that no more hope to this world, He would probably end it with the apocalypse.
People maybe asking why are angels don't help us? why they don't show themselves so we can belief? why they don't help us dealing with demons like the demons did to us?
Yes, the angels did help us, but their job is dealing with the 'evils' directly, not to do a speech in front of a crowd. I illustrate the angels as a filter and the demons are the thing that supposed to be filtered, Idk but maybe as non-physic entities, they might be missed number demons away. And what happened in between humans and the 'evil' is not any angels responsibility. It was ourselves with God. And the one who can help us is the God through our faith. I illustrated it as a private service that we paid with faith as a pict for money.
We can combine logical knowledge and faith of God to survive in this world until the saviour come to the earth.
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God bless all of us.
@@jhoelvoid2076 ..i think it is possible to understand God, His power, heaven and hell and angels and demons...the Bible says the apostles were filled with holy spirit when tongues of fire descended onto their foreheads...a symbol of thinking purely like God or Jesus inside your skull, behind your forehead... strictly speaking, (in my opinion) they were saved from eternal damnation from that moment on...normal people are damned when we know the right path but do not follow it. Best example i can give is Adam and Eve, they became enlightened about nakedness and embarrassment as well as disobeying God...this is why Jesus said children are innocent and can not sin in God's eyes, they are not fully informed or capable of understanding of the way Jesus and God think...it is sort of the opposite of earthly laws ..ignorance of God's law IS a valid excuse LOL that's kinda funny, there are some grownups that have a mind of a child, they only want to do good and laugh and have fun and get along with others...they will get to heaven easily in my opinion...smart, well educated, intelligent people with a nice home and good job and a nice car will struggle to explain why they should be let into heaven, because they could/should "sell all that you have, give the money to the poor, and come follow me" .....bless you too friend...P.S. here i sit, in a big warm house with internet and a tablet and cell phone and a car (16 year old crap LOL) and much much much more than i need to get by....... seemingly one of the world's biggest hypocrites...but remember, good advice from a hypocrite is still good advice, right?
@@DrPhilSays Yes, but I mean *pure* human mind cannot understand the power of divinity, like the non-believer. If they keep trying to connect the Bible with the 'physics', they will find nothing. And as you can see, they all stand on science rather on bible.
People can understand the God power, angels and demon, heaven and hell by the help of the holy spirit, thats what non-believer doesn't have.
And to be honest, I know the reason why God forbid Adam and Eve to receive the knowledge instantly from the fruit, because they didn't ready yet.
And I'm frightened by it, because finally I know the truth in my 19. Even when I know the truth, I cannot hold myself from done a sin. I feel like I became more dirtier in God's eyes after receiving the knowledge, the truth. I'm not even baptized, my last time went to church was 7 months ago. I feel so embarassing. I can't even compose my word when I speak to God in my prayer, because I was so dissapointing as a christian. I don't know am I gonna make it to heaven or not, but I surely don't wanna fall into hell. I keep praying to the God and ask for His mercy, I ask him to change me before I die.
In the past, my mouth was so filthy, I kept judging people of what they've done, but now I know the truth, I'm focused on my business, my sin, my life and I try as hard as possible not to say anything about people anymore, because I realized I also a sinner.
And that's what I have to go through. Once people know the truth, they have to commit to hold the cross.
I've always imagine how people that live in Old Testament age build their faith, they even becames martyr. They did die for defending the truth, for their faith. And then they get the heaven. I wish I can strengthened my faith like those martyrs in the past.
But, I thank God for this covid-19 pandemic, because I became more closer to Him. Maybe if this pandemics never happened, I will never find the truth.
Your word's 'disobeying God after know the truth' really scare me on another level. I hope I, you, and all people around the world be changed by the God to our purest form before die.
Understanding the holiness is not enough, we have to prove the God that we are worthy to be saved.
Thanks.
Day 4 is when angels were created.
Angels reference as "stars" Jesus speaking in
Revelation 1:20 "The mystery of the seven stars that you saw in my right hand and of the seven golden lampstands is this: The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches, and the seven lampstands are the seven churches."
Jesus tells us in the association with stars and angels. Angels were probably created the 4th day of creation.
Genesis 1: 16-19 God made two great lights-the greater light to govern the day and the lesser light to govern the night. He also made the STARS. 17 God set them in the vault of the sky to give light on the earth, 18 to govern the day and the night, and to separate light from darkness. And God saw that it was good. 19 And there was evening, and there was morning-the FOURTH day.
Isaiah 14:12-16
12 “How you are fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! How you are cut down to the ground, You who weakened the nations!
13 For you have said in your heart: ‘I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God; I will also sit on the mount of the congregation On the farthest sides of the north;
14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds, I will be like the Most High.’
15 Yet you shall be brought down to Sheol, To the lowest depths of the Pit."
The name “Lucifer,” in verse 12 which means “morning star,” is used here to describe someone who sought to overthrow God’s very throne.
Revelation 12: 4 His tail drew a third of the stars of heaven and threw them to the earth. And the dragon stood before the woman who was ready to give birth, to devour her Child as soon as it was born.
Revelation explains Lucifer/Satan (Adversary) thrown out of Heaven as well as angels (stars). Revelation 12:14 references "stars" as fallen angels kicked out of heaven.
12: 9 So the great dragon was cast out, that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was cast to the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
Stars also in the Bible means the sun, moon and stars, which are are positioned in or relating to the sky, or outer space as observed in astronomy. God created the stars on the 4th day of creation, which are the sun, moon and stars. The stars also may refer to the angels as well. Angels were probably created on the 4th day, because stars metaphorically refer to angels as to what was just explained with stars and angels relation in the Bible.